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  Tracks the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. There we are. Oh,
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  I didn't know you were going to try to talk undread. Sorry. Yeah,
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  someday we'll get it. We'll get it. We'll get it, We'll
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  get it someday. Morning. Good morning everyone, everyone, One morning everyone,
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  and welcome to check cast the Galaxy's Most Unpredictable Star Trek Podcast. I
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  am one of your hosts. Dane Lombardo with me as always Daniel Reyes with
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  me, has always got strong beard seventeen oh one at gmail dot com,
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  bounders and uh hello, it's well already with boy, I can't wait to
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  hear what you guys have to say. But this episode, well none of
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  it is good. So we all thought. We all do have thoughts.
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  Yeah, you know, I think the three of us are like the three
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  bears from the Goldilock Stories. I really do. I think we have a
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  I think we have the Yeah, I think we have a yeah, all
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  three of us. I think we have some hate. I think we have
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  some love, and I think we have some Yeah. Well we got stuff
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  for sure. Yeah. Oh there's stuffs. There are there are things and
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  my might you know for those listening at home without the video. You know,
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  I tend to put up funny uh funny names for myself under my under
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  my face, in my box here and my name. This week is how
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  many plot holes we got on this ship? But the rules does it auto
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  correct? Auto correct? Damn it. It's supposed because it's a bumpy ship.
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  I get it. Yeah, God, supposed to. It's supposed to
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  say plot holes and and you have to you have to read it in Rick
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  Moranis's voice from uh from space from Spaceballs, so gotcha. Wow. Jokes
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  are always funnier when you have to explain them. They are, they are.
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  This one must be hilarious, you know for those of you who are
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  just listening and not watching, you know, especially for the ladies you got,
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  you all missing out because Dan and Daniel are to a very sexy,
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  good looking guys. So if if you're not, you should check out the
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  video podcast. We do it on YouTube and Facebook, yeah, and Instagram
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  and Instagram, So check us out over there. Yeah, it's streaming right
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  now. So yeah, there, I fixed it. Good, There you
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  go. There you go? Oh boy, confused with Dan's name? Ye,
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  I'll be right. Yeah. Hey, they both work, they both
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  work how's your guys this week? Oh like that? All right? Yeah?
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  I think, uh, I think I talked about it last week that
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  I now manage two regions instead of one. Yes, yeah, it's a
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  lot of work with twice twice the benefits. Exactly. Yes, that's exactly.
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  That's exactly what they did. So it's a lot of work and I'm
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  playing catch up. And uh, yeah, I made my plan for New
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  York. I got my hotels booked and my flights and all that. Yeah,
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  you know what change of plans. I spoke to Duval. Yeah,
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  and he's he said he's got a set of cots in his so we can
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  all there from the cots. Yeah. He said. It's actually not his
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  apartment's his grandma's apartment. She's cool with us staying there. Yeah, I'm
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  excited. I'm going to get a chop cheese apparently, so oh man,
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  that's gonna be it. Yeah, you guys did that fun. I wish
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  I could be there, But you guys are gonna have fun. You can't
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  know one no one said you can't be there. We had before. I
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  have invited you, and I have a and and there are tens of people
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  that listen to this podcast. Some would say doesn't nearly dozens, Some would
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  say dozens. Yeah, you're you're going on a cruise instead, right,
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  Yes, I'm going on a cruise with my family instead. Okay, Yeah,
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  I mean I always thought the trek Cass was a family. That's wow,
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  the way I thought about it. Wow, it was a tough decision.
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  It was. It really was. And you'll be stressing over it with
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  his little like drinks of little umbrellas in it. Lest absolutely, yeah,
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  out the Caribbean. That's right, that's right, that's right. Yeah.
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  So yeah, my week was. My week was pretty much on eventful though.
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  Friday I did I had a chance to go to a Patriot Guard mission.
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  We had a funeral for a for a military veteran and that was it
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  was very Uh they always do a really good job. We had lunch with
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  the State Bride Captain. I was going to ask you if I could spend
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  sixty seconds talking about that for those for you who don't you know, yeah,
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  you can always Okay, you have to ask. Okay, So for
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  those of you who don't know the Patriot Guard Riders, they're they're a nonprofit
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  outfit whose primary mission is to attend funeral services for uh follen service members,
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  veterans and first responders. They're in every state, right, they are in
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  every state. Ye. They they also attend memorial the events and welcome home
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  ceremonies and stuff like that. And I've just found that it's you know,
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  it's been a good way to get back and to say thanks, you know
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  for those who sort of you know, stood up for us. Now,
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  I happen to be an Army veteran and I ride a motorcycle, but you
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  don't have to be either one to join. There's there's guys that show up
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  that that are part of the Patriot Guard that they're not veterans. They just
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  you know, have a respect for our men and women in uniform and they
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  show up in cars and you know, so you don't have to be a
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  motorcycle rider. You don't have to be a veteran. So if if you
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  want more information about the Patriot Guard, if you want to request them or
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  a funeral, or if you want to join the Patriot Guard permissions, just
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  go to Patriot Guard dot org. So, so thank you guys. Yeah,
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  absolutely, all right, Well let's uh that's all that. Let's get
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  to the news Star Trek News. All right, so our first news story.
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  Stop me if you heard this, but Paramount is in uh talks.
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  I don't, I don't even I don't even know the story. And I'm
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  like, this is either this is either Paramount is for sale or Star Trek
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  four as a goat one of the two. That's the stories we keep hearing.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Apparently Sony and a private equity firm called Apollo Global
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  Management are in talks to work together to make a bid to purchase Paramount,
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  and so we don't know much more right now, but we do know that
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  that currently Paramount is talking with a separate company, Skydance Media. So this
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  would be independent of sky Dance. This would be a different offer with Sony
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  and Apollo. It's still very early. We don't We have no idea what
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  the amount would be. We have no idea what Sony's plans with Paramount.
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  But for me, this gives a little bit of pause. Sky Dance you
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  kind of know what you're getting. They they made the last two Star Trek
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  movies, so you get an idea of where they're going, probably more of
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  the same where we're currently at with Star Trek. But Sony, for me
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  it's you're either gonna get Spider Verse sony, which is good and knows what
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  they're doing, or you're gonna get Madam Webb's Sony, which is gonna be
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  even worse than what we got now. So it's it's really tough to say.
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  I just can't wait for the lower decks Morbius crossover that the yes,
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  yes. The other thing is, I mean I've never bought or sold a
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  movie studio or a media empire or whatever. Trying to let me check my
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  if I check it, check it real quick. Yeah, I have bought
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  and sold a few cars. And you know, uh, someone's kicking the
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  tires. They're on the fence, and you talk about the guy who was
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  here yesterday who's coming by h later with his uncle to kind of move things
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  along. So I don't put stock. I don't put stock in anything that
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  these people, any of these people say so far, they've talked to like
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  Warner Brothers and yeah, yeah, sky Dance, and I think there's it's
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  getting to the point where it's a joke. Like I was gonna say,
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  can we contact the people at the Onion and haven't run a story that we're
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  gonna buy it yeah, because then they were going to merge with Apple to
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  create a new streamer. We can merge with Comcast do a news streamer like
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  and again to continue with the used car analogy. Yeah, when when something
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  is listed for sale past a certain period of time, people start looking at
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  it differently and saying something wrong with that, what's wrong with this? What's
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  wrong If you saw a motorcycle and and you know in the kind of date
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  myself, but you saw a closified ad for for a motorcycle, absolutely,
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  and it's like, that's a great price, and for whatever reason, you
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  don't follow up on it, and six weeks later it's still for sale.
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  Oh there's something wrong with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, why are
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  there only photographs from the right side of the bike, Yes, yes,
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  yeah, it's uh, it'll be interesting to see what happens. This is
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  so early on that we can't say like, oh, yeah, Sony's gonna
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  buy them, or Skydance or whatever. Yeah. Clearly Paramount is for sale,
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  so any future plans that they're seeing right now could go right out the
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  window the minute there's Boston to Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of New Boss,
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  so we mentioned last week that Lower Decks was was getting axed. This week,
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  we're learning that Mike mahon is getting a Golden Axe. According to polygon
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  dot Com, Mike Mahon is going to be spearheading a new show for I
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  believe it's Comedy Central. He's going to do a take on Sega's Golden Axe
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  game. Oh when you said Golden Axe, I thought you were like,
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  my mind went to this game. Yeah, that's the But I also thought,
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  you know, now he's just making a pun about him getting the axe.
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  Yeah, go ahead, Sorry, Okay, So so they have a
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  ten episode order. I had seen some people online talk about like, oh,
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  this means he's ready to move on. He's getting rid of a he's
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  getting rid of lower decks. So that's it. There's no chance in saving
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  lower decks. Look, these kinds of things take forever to make into fruition.
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  He had probably planned to do Lower Decks and Golden Axe at the same
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  time. I mean, seth mcmarlin does like a million cartoon shows all at
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  once. Yeah. Yeah, that's not the case. It's just they announced
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  it right after and it's just timing. Yeah. Yeah, I remember playing
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  this game, and I remember playing it and thinking almost man. Yeah yeah,
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  yeah. Sandals Fantasy. Yeah almost. I think I played it three
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  times in total on the second Genesis. Okay, to beare that Golden Axe
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  is a holo program? Could have been? Could have been because I mistake
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  Golden Axe altered beasts sometimes. Yeah, very similar Gauntlet Yeah yeah, but
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  yeah, Strong Beard is about to die. God, I love Gotlin.
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  That's such a fun game. Yeah yeah strong Beard food ye yes, oh
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  boy, I'm gonna say that at the convention. Uh, makeup T shirts.
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  Strong Beard is about to die. Yeah. So this would be on
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  Comedy Central. Ten episodes, so I don't have a release date yet.
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  It's just announcing so on Comedy Central. Yeah all right, well I guess
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  it's a comedy. Yeah, it'll be a gardee show. I mean it's
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  lower decks right kind of. And then our last news story, it's an
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  update from a story we did a while back star Trek four no from UPI
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  dot com. Remember we talked about that Starship Enterprise model that had been discovered
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  at an auction house. So it ended up it finally got returned to the
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  Roddenberry's earlier this week. That's the model right there with Rod Roddenberry. But
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  yeah, so it's back home it's pretty cool. Look at model. You
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  know, it's funny. You read the article, yeah, and it says,
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  you know, you go to way down to the bottom. It says
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  how the model was returned and that was facilitated through such and such auction house,
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  right, and you know that I read it between the lines. Somebody
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  contacted eBay, somebody subpoened the contact information for the person who had it for
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  sale, and that guy was sent notice that hey, this item was stolen
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  in nineteen seventy three or whatever. You're in possession of stolen property, return
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  it now or face the consequences. I mean, it doesn't matter when it
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  was stolen. It's stolen property. That's it. If they can produce an
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  LAPD you know, incident report from nineteen seventy three that establishes that this is
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  stole and property, that's it, they get it back. So the article
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  makes makes like, you know, they did this wonderful thing and gave it
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  back. No, No, you got a nasty Graham that said this thing
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  is stolen shipping to back. Yeah, which it's fine, it's back on
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  the right hands. Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, it's just funny.
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  It's it's back. So yeah, and that's all the news stories. Cool.
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  Yeah, yay, you guys ready to talk about this week's episode.
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  Yeah, before we do, just wanted to tell everybody too if you hadn't
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  seen it. The panel that the Now Visitor did is up on YouTube and
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  on the So I went to Comic Con last weekend, and when I was
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  when we did the show last weekend, it was Sunday. We still had
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  a little bit of a comic Con left over. So after I did the
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  show, I went to no Visitors panel and I went up and I and
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  I asked UH the I asked the perennial trek cast question about this yep,
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  yep, and and so I asked her about you know who who who was
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  the best cook? And I told her that I had been to the same
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  panel a year before with Terry Farrell and UH and Shran helped me out,
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  guys, oh oh, Jeffrey Combs, thank you. And UH said that
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  her name had popped up in that answer, and we had a nice little
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  discussion about it. She mentioned UH. She mentioned she was going over to
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  somebody's house this weekend. She says she hangs out with like Michael Dorn and
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  hangs out with a lot of the crew. They she talked about Rene I
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  think I got that ninety three percent right, and and nog And we talked
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  a little bit about that. Yeah. So what did she say about her
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  being a good cook? Would she? Yeah, she said she does cook.
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  She she often cooked. She mentioned a recipe. So yeah, go
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  go on, uh go on the trek cast uh facebook page and yeah,
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  right right, hot sprat. Yeah, it was a it was a good
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  panel, about fifty five minutes log. It was a it was a really
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  good panel. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, So check that out on the
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  Trekast YouTube channel and Facebook page right on. Well, cool, cool,
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  all right, Well let's uh, let's get to it because I know we
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  want to talk about this week's episode, so fun will now come back,
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  all right, So our main topic is is kind of going over this week's
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  episode of Star Trek Discovery Season five, episode four, Face the Strange.
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  Let me just read real quick the official log line, which is on the
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  way to the next clue. The USS Discovery is sabotage by a mysterious weapon,
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  leaving Captain Urnham, Rayner and Stammets as the only crew members who can
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  possibly save the ship in time. So I mean that pretty much sums it
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  up. Yes, it does. We did get a little quick early shot
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  of our Bonnie and Clyde couple, and and you don't mess with them because
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  they will poison money. So that was interesting. Yeah, there was no
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  chemistry between the two of those. No, there's not. There is not.
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  They that kiss was forced. I get the feeling that she's gonna take
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  him out at some point. I don't. I don't think this is real.
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  Yeah, I get that feeling too. Yeah, you get that feeling
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  too. And they did that thing that I said that I hate where they
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  go a teen hours earlier, and I'm like, ah, it's confusing because
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  it didn't do it. I understand why they do it sometimes, but why
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  they did it in this episode. It was confusing enough with all the timeline
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  jumps. Oh wait, I can fire, buddy, you can't. I've
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  gone I've gone down that road. It doesn't work. Yeah, I've been
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  down that road. Yeah, some things just can't be fixed exactly. Sometimes
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  the effort is worth it, though, No, no it isn't. So
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  basically, a time bug, which is a new thing we've now created,
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  gets activated and basically creates a time loop for discovery and only Burnham and Book
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  can get out of and stand it's can get out of it because they were
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  or not a book, Yeah, can get out of it because they were
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  transporting right when the bug activated, right in that second, they somehow got
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  out of it. And uh yeah, what do we think of the concept
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  of a time bug? Well, as ridiculous, as ridiculous as it was.
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  Did you hear what type of device it was? Who created the device?
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  Did you catch that it was? It was the Krenima remember that.
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  Yep, the Crenim were from Voyager. That was the year of Hell people
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  was supposed to cred so and and they said how these devices were left over
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  from the Temporal Wars. So I thought it was I thought it was cool.
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  This is my one good thing, remember my my new I'm gonna say
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  one good thing about an episode. It was it was a nice callback to
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  to the Krenium that they're still around mucketing with time and that they had a
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  pivotal role in the in the Temporal Wars. So that was cool. The
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  idea about the I mean, I think it was the same I think it
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  was the same device that tried to kill Padme in her bedroom, right,
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  Yeah, yeah, it was his bedroom. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah
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  yeah. The conundrum that it created with the two of them hopping through hopping
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  through different time periods but on but on Discovery, I understand what they were
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  trying to do. This was essentially not the same, but it's similar to
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  like a clips episode that they used to do in the in the nineteen eighties,
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  where they show you highlights of past episodes. This is similar in that,
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  oh, we're going to show you highlights of different periods of of this
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  show and things we remember, situations we remember about this show. No Lorca,
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  Yeah, called him this. He had this opportunity dropped him. You
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  had this opportunity to bring back Lorca, You had this opportunity to bring back
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  Giorgio. Who we know, who's there? She's there, She's been on
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  set. Yeah, she's been on set film and hear her thirty one thing?
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  Right? You know how hard would it have been to walk her across
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  the street to the other studio for a couple hours? And what's Larka doing?
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  I mean, you see a big time Hollywood does he doing whatever?
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  I mean, he does a lot of like guest starring roles, and he
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  does a lot of like, hey, I know a show he could have
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  done a guest starring role on today. Ye, yes, it's Thursday,
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  come on. But the time, yeah, the time back and forth.
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  My my my wife, missus Strongbeard just asked, haven't they done a time
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  loop episode in Star Trek before? Yeah? A lot a lot of Yeah,
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  yeah, you know, but they've done them better, that's the thing.
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  Yeah, I think they've done it in just about every in cardage of
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  Star Trek, like where they're either doing a loop or they're going through different
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  periods of time. I know they did want a voyager, you know where
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  they're going through different you know parts of you know, the timeline, a
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  few of them, and that I remember, Yeah, we could have been
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  doing this hundreds thousands of times. So as they're as they're traveling through the
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  ship, it keeps getting reset every few minutes. They realize, okay,
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  we can get Stamts to help us. Because of his tartar grade magic blood,
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  his magic blood, he's not affected, YadA, YadA YadA, So
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  you know he's hopping through time. Also, he wakes up when he's severely
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  injured and and he's talking gibberish to Hugh in the in the in the sick
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  Bay. It was nice to Okay, I'll say two nice things. It
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  was nice to see. It was nice to see Damn, it's have to
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  revert to his old character traits to fit in, to fit in with being
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  in a different time frame. It was nice. And he stam, it's
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  acting like a total asshole again, but doing it for the purpose of completing
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  the mission or for the purpose of the story, and and and knowing like
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  and calling out, yeah, it used to be kind of a jerk,
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  right, Yeah, that was that was cool to see. Cole in our
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  in our Instagram says it was basically a call out. But the season seven
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  episode of Voyager, Jane Way and Chicote are jumping through time splits of the
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  ship. Yeah, that's what I was. Yeah. It's also very Avengers
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  endgame, complete with uh, you know, Burnham looking at herself and saying,
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  that's the Federation's ass exactly. So here's my problem. That's that's that's
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  the major plot hole that really irks me about this episode. So she's basically
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  fighting herself at one point, trying to convince herself I'm not a shape shifter,
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  I'm you, I'm from the future and past Burnham, it just isn't
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  having it. You are wearing a personal transporter slash tricorder slash replicator on your
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  wrist slash. You have all of this thirty second century tech at your disposal.
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  You've already established that as long as we complete this mission, the time
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  loop will be closed and there'll be no damage done to the to the prime
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  timeline. You can't convince her that you're from the thirty second century at that
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  point or just call up your call up your your personal heads up display thing
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  that comes out of your combatge and she's never seen anything like that before Burnham,
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  even past Burnham is a scientist. You know, scan me, you'll
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  see my temporal signature is different. It just it didn't. It didn't make
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  any sense, you know what they're arguing about. Nothing Stunner, not for
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  yes, thank you, thank you. There's I don't got time for stunn
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  There's that I know I know that you want them to I'm kicking my ass,
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  do you mind? Yeah, thank you, I'm kicking my ass.
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  But uh, I know that, I know you want this tension between these
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  two characters or this character and themselves, and that's fine, but you have
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  to if you're going to create that. You have to do a better job
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  writing. Yeah, you can't just assume that your audience is stupid and they're
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  not gonna they're not gonna think these things, and it and it carries over
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  because there's a point where, you know, Old Burnham defeats Young Burnham and
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  her decides her only choices. I gotta make my way to the bridge and
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  just come clean with the people up there. And she convinces Ariam who's in
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  command of the ship, and Ariam is on board with doing this plan.
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  They have to bring the ship to warp and then collapse the warp bubble at
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  the same time as they, I don't know, try and trap the time
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  bug in the mcguffin device or whatever. And they're all set. They're about
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  to do it, and down in engineering young Burnham and what's his nuts?
• 27:47
  Uh, you know, they find Rainer and they're holding them at gunpoint.
• 27:52
  They won't they won't let him in. Stammets use the mcguffin device. Okay,
• 27:59
  Captain Burnham is on the bridge. Coms are open, Coms are open.
• 28:03
  She's she's talking to main engineering. They're arguing about this, and just
• 28:10
  sits there like I'm gonna see how this plays out. Right. She could
• 28:12
  have ordered, yes, just come over the coms and say, specialist Burnham,
• 28:19
  it's under control. Stand down. That's it. That's all you had.
• 28:23
  That's all it took. And if she didn't want to do it,
• 28:27
  all she had to say is lieutenant whatever his name is, make her stand
• 28:33
  down. But instead just sat there doing nothing. It was ridiculous. That
• 28:37
  made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah, holes all over the place.
• 28:45
  Yeah, it's terrible. It was. It was nice to see them
• 28:53
  again, to see them. Well I had three, but yeah again,
• 28:59
  well, it was nice to see them. I loved the interaction between jet
• 29:04
  Reno and Stamp. It's that was great. And I kind of called it
• 29:08
  just before she said something. I'm like, she's gonna figure it out,
• 29:12
  she's gonna say something. And they treated it differently than I would have.
• 29:17
  I would have made her realize it, but not make it a joke,
• 29:21
  because she's like, are you going through a time loop right now? Nah,
• 29:25
  I'm just messing with you. I would have kept it like that.
• 29:27
  She just intuited, Oh, you're going through a time loop right now?
• 29:32
  Huh? Yeah, Well what can I do to help? I guess,
• 29:34
  so I'm not gonna remember this, all right, whatever, you know,
• 29:37
  tell the captain to go f themselves or whatever she wanted to say, you
• 29:40
  know, since nobody's gonna remember this. I like that. Yeah, I
• 29:45
  love Yeah, she's great. She's just like I don't care. So she's
• 29:52
  so chill. I love her chill support. She did walk in and be
• 29:57
  like, where are my chips still? Jet Ryo in a quest for chips
• 30:03
  all season long? Yep, that'd be great, it would be great.
• 30:07
  Actually, oh yeah, but you're right, Dan, that was a big,
• 30:15
  big PLATFM terrible. It was so bad. Yeah, it was so
• 30:21
  bad. Yeah, it was cool to see the differences between like how far
• 30:26
  the characters have come along. Yeah, that was interesting standards between Burnham and
• 30:36
  Burnham. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was really well done. And that's
• 30:38
  tough because she had to learn both sides of that fight. So that's that's
• 30:42
  not an easy thing to do. And yeah, it's seen that the differences
• 30:48
  in stanm it's how he used to be and how he's now. I guess
• 30:52
  magic mushroom blood calms you down? Is that is that what we learned?
• 30:56
  Yeah, it's got that chill factor, I guess I thought for sure Michael
• 31:02
  was gonna, you know, get some temporal loop. Nochi, that was
• 31:11
  I thought she was you know, you know, it was in her head.
• 31:12
  She's like, this whole ship is going to reset in like twelve minutes.
• 31:17
  We could do this, we could do this. It was having trouble
• 31:21
  keeping up with what what what book was that? Where were they? Where
• 31:26
  were they in the timeline? Well, I don't know, I think because
• 31:30
  it was Yeah, it was third so it was before he got arrested,
• 31:34
  right or before he did that, I think, Yeah, I think it
• 31:37
  was season three. Yeah, so I was having a hard time keeping up
• 31:40
  with Okay, where's book then and where's book now? And they have seen
• 31:44
  each other but mhm m hmm. But when you do a time travel episode,
• 31:51
  yeah, it's inherently confusing. Yeah. Oh yeah, that would have
• 31:59
  been more interesting, I think because they used to be together. Yeah.
• 32:04
  Yeah, Michael could have been having nookie with a couple of different dudes in
• 32:07
  one episode. It could have been the Michael Burnham After Dark episode. Mm
• 32:14
  hmmm, it's that's right. So so, yeah, they they did pay
• 32:31
  off that short truck where the ship is in the future. Yeah, yeah,
• 32:37
  that was surprising. I thought for sure that they had forgot, forgot,
• 32:42
  forgotten all about that. Well, that makes me wonder if this the
• 32:45
  series, Well, they'll still be on the ship, but like some sort
• 32:51
  of teas that ultimately we're going to get to that point where the Shoes gets
• 32:58
  abandoned. That's depressing, I don't think I don't think so. Because Zora
• 33:04
  made reference to the fact that she was there because they failed in this mission,
• 33:08
  that this right that this season revolves around, so you know, we
• 33:13
  know out there, Yeah, we know they're not going to fail in this
• 33:16
  mission. Okay, they're gonna They're going to succeed in the end. And
• 33:20
  I think that's going to a race that that timeline where is alone is alone
• 33:27
  in the future. Yeah, that's yeah, that's smart. That's probably what's
• 33:30
  gonna happen. Yea, yeah, yeah, all right, I could see
• 33:34
  that. I could absolutely see that. And then we'll argue about it at
• 33:37
  conventions with other guys. Yeah, yeah, well other people will argue about
• 33:45
  it. In about in about ten weeks, uh or whatever how many episodes
• 33:52
  are left, I don't even know, but we just finished four, so
• 33:55
  six six weeks. Yeah, in about in about six weeks because I'm gonna
• 34:00
  defrag my head, and that's gonna be the last time I think about Michael
• 34:04
  Burnham their Star Trek Discovery. I think, so you get and then you
• 34:09
  watch it all again. No, No, I'm gonna I'm gonna do an
• 34:13
  area. I'm gonna be going through my memories and be like that one can
• 34:15
  go, that one can go on, that one can go. Yeah,
• 34:25
  we get another episode next week. I watched the Will Wheaton Show. They
• 34:30
  didn't really get into a lot they interviewed it. No, because even Will
• 34:36
  was like this is this is terrible? Oh no, he loved it.
• 34:40
  He loved it. He's an actor. I was gonna say, either he
• 34:45
  either he likes this or he is the best actor in Star Trek. I
• 34:52
  think he's the best actor in Star Trek. Okay, yeah, let's say
• 34:57
  a lot. Yeah or not. I think he's a very good cheerleader for
• 35:02
  it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is an excellent cheerleader. Well
• 35:07
  he knows, you know, he knows what butters his bread. That's right.
• 35:13
  And Star Trek, sir. And he's a fan. He's a he's
• 35:16
  a legitimate fan. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I hope we see more more.
• 35:22
  Taken to Toorrow throughout the season. I do like her. Yeah,
• 35:27
  she is a breath of fresh air when they when she comes up. Yeah,
• 35:30
  very much. So I would watch a series just about her. Yeah,
• 35:35
  yeah, that's whut They were saying that in the chat Reno ten thirty
• 35:39
  one. Yeah. Yeah, and even Able said that he would forgive Pera
• 35:45
  Monvelus for canceling lower decks if they gave jet Rena her own show. Yeah.
• 35:51
  Absolutely, Yeah, what would you do on the jet Reno show?
• 35:54
  It would just be like, yeah, it'd be you know, Star Trek
• 36:00
  engineering. It would just be you know, the Quest for Chips, the
• 36:05
  Quest for Chips. Yeah, I mean they did three seasons of the card.
• 36:12
  You could almost do like this old house type thing, but with starships
• 36:15
  and she's just fixing them. I love it. Jordi doesn't have a personality,
• 36:25
  right, right, Okay, he doesn't have enough personality. Yeah,
• 36:32
  Rito's got a lot of personality. And she she could go around, you
• 36:37
  know, like she could you know, she could become like the Engineering Inspector
• 36:43
  General or something, and she should have interactions with different ships and different you
• 36:46
  know, hangs out with Barkley and hangs out with Torres and hangs out with
• 36:52
  waiting again, says she could be teaching young engineers. That doesn't she could
• 36:55
  be in the Academy show. Academy Show. Yeah, excellent idea. Do
• 37:06
  you bear have about an origin story? Sure? Yeah, if you're going
• 37:14
  to do the stupid Academy show, that could be good. Yeah. They
• 37:17
  you know, they could do a flashback scene. We haven't really heard about
• 37:22
  her past except she was married and that her wife died during the Klingon War.
• 37:29
  It might be interesting to do a flashback scene revolving around that. Yeah.
• 37:35
  I'm still holding out hope that they will close this show up by moving
• 37:40
  everything to the twenty fifth century. I really have no interest in the thirty
• 37:47
  second century, have no interest in Star Trek Academy in the thirty second century.
• 37:54
  Just sa I wish they would just listen once, listen? Why won't
• 38:02
  you listen? Do they not know who we are? I don't know.
• 38:07
  Do you very computer end program? Or or oh I got it? I
• 38:15
  got one. The very last scene is Riiker in the Holida deck with all
• 38:21
  the Discovery crew and he says computer end program and he kind of looks around.
• 38:24
  He goes, well, that was no help at all. Yeah,
• 38:29
  that's right. Oh, Uh, why do you think they're so afraid of
• 38:35
  doing a series that comes after Voyager? I don't know. My guess from
• 38:42
  from the way this, Uh, it seems that these producers have approached Star
• 38:46
  Trek is they want to put their own stamp on it, and so if
• 38:51
  they continue past Voyager, they have to tie themselves to what has been done
• 38:57
  in the past, whereas by throwing it in this other century, they can
• 39:00
  do whatever the hell they want and make go make a movie or a show.
• 39:07
  Yeah that doesn't have the name Star Trek on it, and now you
• 39:12
  can absolutely do whatever you want. Yeah, well there you go, there
• 39:17
  you go. They've established these you know, they call them rules. They
• 39:22
  say they want to be unshackled from Cannon. Well we like Cannon. Yeah,
• 39:30
  we grew up with Cannon. All this canon, all these rules,
• 39:34
  all these characters, all this past, the things that came before. That's
• 39:37
  what we fell in love with. This is what we as Trekkies love.
• 39:45
  So take a page out of our book. You know, we're the ones
• 39:47
  that are begging, begging for this, you know, twenty fifth century show
• 39:53
  that takes place just after Pericard let off. It's it's chronologically you know,
• 39:59
  makes sense as far how many years after you know that the show Voyager is
• 40:02
  twenty some odd years old. Make the show that old, all the events
• 40:07
  happened just after the the Borg youth invasion of the early twenty fifth century,
• 40:13
  and start from there. That's what we want, right and use these as
• 40:17
  guidelines. Use that the cannon not as as shackles, but as as a
• 40:22
  guide. But yeah, what do I know exactly? The only way to
• 40:30
  get around canon is not by going into the past for the future, but
• 40:35
  alternate reality. Yeah, like a different timeline or something. It's yeah,
• 40:43
  nobody wants to see the Kurtsman timeline. No, no, I mean that's
• 40:47
  what the Kelvin timeline is exactly. He was part of that. Nobody wants
• 40:52
  to see it. Yeah. Yeah, they were fine for standalone things.
• 40:55
  I'm you know, the Calvin Timeline movies were okay, they were good.
• 41:00
  I'm glad they're there. Stop and realize what we want. You know,
• 41:05
  they're making a fourth one. I heard, Yeah, they keep it going.
• 41:07
  Do you have any information on that, Daniel, Do you have any
• 41:09
  news about that? Oh? Well, first it was gonna be Tarantino,
• 41:14
  then it was going to be uh As Jacob then it was going to be
• 41:17
  like, it's just the list is what studio is making at Paramount obviously?
• 41:23
  Or wait is it sky Dance? And no way is it? Is it
• 41:27
  gonna be Pomcast? Is it gonna be? Yeah? Yeah, it's a
• 41:31
  lot. Yeah, we got a lot of All right, we already have
• 41:36
  people acting up in the chat, so let's cool. Let's let's get feedback,
• 41:44
  listener feedback. All right, Well, I've said you had some emails.
• 41:50
  I do. I've got two emails. Uh. The first one is
• 41:53
  from Nancy Strongbeard. You are such a wonderful, funny, intelligent co host.
• 42:00
  But I'm your mom. What do I know? Well, that was
• 42:07
  from dear old mom. Is she gonna at some point? My mom?
• 42:12
  Oh, I'll see about I'll see about half of that happened. The second
• 42:17
  emails a little bit longer. It's from Duval. Yeah, greeting struck Cast.
• 42:22
  After watching this episode, I had to write an email. I have
• 42:25
  some questions and some notes that I hope you guys will touch on and discuss
• 42:29
  on Sunny's podcast one. Burnham first tries contacting the bridge after the first flash
• 42:34
  time hop in the ready room. No response. Why don't you ask Zora.
• 42:37
  You know Discoveries computer on what's happening? Yes, they eventually do the
• 42:40
  other time hops, but honestly should have been the second thing to ask the
• 42:45
  first time two. Okay, you know the transporters and the ship systems all
• 42:49
  seem to be glitch glitchy. Why the hell would they want to take the
• 42:52
  turbo lift? Do you guys have a death wish? I mean, come
• 42:55
  on, Michael, all these three, all these times shenanigans happening on Discovery,
• 43:00
  and no one from the Department of Temporal Investigations show up, Not one
• 43:04
  DTI agent comes knocking it all for notice that Rayner was able to keep the
• 43:09
  rag that Reno gave him for his lip. I didn't catch this, noticing
• 43:15
  that you can keep things with you through the time skips. I thought that
• 43:21
  was going to play a huge part in the story if it. If it
• 43:24
  did, it wasn't really mentioned, and if so, that would suck for
• 43:28
  Stamens once. I thought he was going to pop up in the next time
• 43:31
  skip slump on the floor because of the sedatives, or appear with that shard
• 43:37
  still impaled with him. No, that's a good point, because I thought
• 43:42
  about that too, Because they download the information to his iPad. Yeah,
• 43:45
  and he's like, oh, I'm gonna work on this during the next jump
• 43:47
  and yeah. Yeah. So the rag returned to the original time period because
• 43:57
  it got sucked through one of the plot holes. That's right, Well,
• 44:00
  everyone knows that plot holes exist outside of space time. That's true. They
• 44:06
  did, they did, they did. Oh. Five? Uh, Rainer
• 44:10
  straight up spits in the ready room. Dude, Come on, that's the
• 44:14
  captain's ready room. Have some respect. Six So the transporters or the ship
• 44:16
  couldn't register an ominly present when Adira returns back to the ship with the chronobug.
• 44:22
  See, this is why they need to bring back transporter rooms. A
• 44:25
  transporter technician or chief would have caught that. Plus that would make you know,
• 44:30
  trans transporter malfunctions great again. There make transporter malfunctions great again. That's
• 44:38
  how he ruined it it seven. Seven the power of friendship to take over
• 44:46
  the bridge seriously. So uh. The things he thought was funny were Burnham
• 44:52
  pulling a liar liar, I'm kicking my ass, do you mind? Uh
• 44:57
  more jet reno. Uh he liked that. Uh and awesome to see Lieutenant
• 45:01
  Commander Ariam again Ariam again nice. They brought her back this season even was
• 45:07
  just for this episode. Yea topless booker, you know, for the ladies.
• 45:12
  Ooh bye oh bye. So I hope I got that good for you.
• 45:20
  So he sent it to both of us. Perfect, That's all I
• 45:23
  got. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the next trek Cast and also
• 45:27
  meeting you guys at Long Island next month. Yeah us six uh from the
• 45:38
  ball, that New York City freelance correspondent guy for trek Cast. That's right,
• 45:44
  that's right, Yes, thank you, and thank you for sending me
• 45:50
  an email. That was awesome so and then thanks mom, appreciate that so
• 45:54
  strong Beard one seven one at gmail dot com for all your trek Cast question
• 45:59
  and comment needs. And then we also got a few people on the line,
• 46:02
  so we'll go real quick. We got our jazz biziness right there.
• 46:07
  Mikey versus Michael, Yes, Mikey versus Michael. Who did you think was
• 46:15
  gonna win? Mikey or Michael? Well, I thought they're gonna whisper and
• 46:17
  see you can like talk the lowest and cry more. He cry off.
• 46:25
  You know, we're four episodes in and Michael has not cried that much,
• 46:30
  so that a little emotional but not crying. So hey, yeah, well
• 46:34
  you know those last four episodes, you're going to get it. When people
• 46:38
  die, you're going to have some get in loser. We're going crying.
• 46:43
  Yeah, go in there crying. It's like this whole time bug thing that
• 46:49
  just like come up with the clever idea besides time bug, I didn't I
• 46:54
  didn't hate, but just give it a name something. Yeah, well they
• 47:00
  it was the kron right whatever. It's a time bug though. It's just
• 47:04
  like crawls, So it's like, okay, whatever. It seems like they
• 47:07
  were reaching a little bit. Yeah yeah, and then lock them all like
• 47:12
  somehow they they're smarter than Starfleet and everybody else. I don't understand it.
• 47:17
  So because they're like, who's paying them off? Like somebody's controlling them.
• 47:25
  Yeah, that that's the one thing. Why couldn't Stirfy just buy them off?
• 47:29
  Yeah, well, somebody's paying them. Somebody's Like, it's not just
• 47:34
  them. I don't think they're not that clever to do all this. It's
• 47:38
  Cleveland book or the fifth plot twists asshole commander do that? Or she wants
• 47:47
  to resurrect her dad. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
• 47:52
  Mm hmm, So destroy the universe to resurrect your dad. Pretty much.
• 47:58
  Last season we had a kid who cried and destroyed sore and wanted to destroy
• 48:04
  planets to go to heavens. Yeah, people can be that much of a
• 48:07
  dick. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. It is. It's a little
• 48:12
  bit more. I mean I locked up Chad to come on the podcast.
• 48:15
  Okay, see, that's what I was gonna say, you know, like
• 48:17
  how they met everybody and said, you remember you know, like, but
• 48:24
  I'm from the future, but I can tell you your deepest darkst secret.
• 48:28
  Be like going to Daniels saying Paddington Too is better than Ratha Kahan. Right,
• 48:34
  that's what I mean, Daniel said to me. And then Strongbeard here
• 48:38
  blocked Chad up and gave them lotion. Damn damn like dogs, and uh
• 48:47
  I thinks hot dogs are sandwiches. So it's because they are right. No,
• 48:54
  I see your point, I do see your point, and then you
• 48:59
  just sit there for like two seconds like yeah, he's right, and not
• 49:06
  realizing that you're from the future. Whatever. I don't know it. It's
• 49:10
  not mirror universe, not a shape shifter, not a not whatever. Especially
• 49:19
  when Reno looks and and sees the whole new uniform, is like, oh
• 49:22
  you look good in red. Yeah. Yeah, he's right. He's like
• 49:28
  a change the uniforms. That's cool, just walks away. I like,
• 49:35
  as well, yeah, oh yeah you're here. I like it. Yeah,
• 49:42
  it's super long. Now it's like, what the crap. But I
• 49:46
  I guess in the future you probably could change your hair that quick. You
• 49:49
  know, with the replicator, you probably put something crazy on real quick.
• 49:52
  I don't know the uniform what definitely throw you off. Mm hmm. East
• 50:00
  six says that uh long might be a breen. They've never shown them.
• 50:05
  It's they've always been in the suits. So yeah, I don't know.
• 50:07
  I thought they were in the suits because I thought they're they're breathing something.
• 50:14
  They're breathing like the They were like they like the cold and the suits.
• 50:17
  They like the almost sub zero. Ezra was speculated about that on a d
• 50:22
  Space nine episode. She's like, the refrigeration shoots, maybe they're all furry.
• 50:28
  Yeah, but we just don't know because I don't want to. That's
• 50:35
  like they said that they had no idea. Yeah, even though they've killed
• 50:39
  many brain and they can take the suit apart and say, oh, that's
• 50:44
  the look like you know what, what We'll get a Breen student in the
• 50:47
  Academy show and that student will we'll talk about what it's like living in a
• 50:52
  suit. Yeah, because of the war and deal with bear this. They
• 51:01
  wear the helmet because this is the way waiting. So anything else you want
• 51:10
  to bring up there, Well, if there's two bring what would be like
• 51:14
  Wesley and the Binzite and be like where he gets the name wrong and it's
• 51:19
  like they all look alike and they're like, you're racist, Wesley because they
• 51:22
  all look alike because you guys, you're ra out of here Wesley from the
• 51:29
  show. That's true. They don't wear name tags mistake to make, but
• 51:34
  they all look like shut up, Wesley. That's what they need to do.
• 51:37
  Everybody. That was so helpful. Everybody in Star Trek needs to wear
• 51:42
  name tags, like in the military. That's right, Oh my god,
• 51:45
  yeah, wow, it'd be great. But he that Kirkman. They probably
• 51:51
  have a name like this long on some people, Yeah, or the byars.
• 51:57
  What would display right there? It's just loading their name the entire time.
• 52:02
  Yeah, I mean they probably have a heads up display or something like
• 52:06
  in their eyes or glasses. You know, they're probably like a contact ends
• 52:09
  with the you know, heads up, So I don't know. Potentially,
• 52:15
  it's We're four episodes in and it's kind of it's getting a little iffy right
• 52:20
  now. Okay, yeah, now now it's getting now it's right. Just
• 52:23
  now I'm saying this season. I'm saying this season, just this season,
• 52:29
  just okay. Otherwise, Like I was like, maybe I can believe it,
• 52:35
  but now I'm like, I'm not hating the season so far, so
• 52:37
  we'll see what's in store. I was like, can we recover next week?
• 52:42
  Let's see if we do all right, let's do it. We can
• 52:44
  do it. So it's end off in a bang and not a you know
• 52:52
  right, it's like and hopefully Badgie will you got it? Let's let's see
• 53:01
  it again holding up the Badgie uh like action figure. I don't ops really
• 53:08
  And I was like, you know, this actually looks pretty cool. That's
• 53:15
  yeah. There's hardly any merchandise for lower decks, and then especially that's true
• 53:22
  merchandise. If there's a Michael Burnham one, we'll all pull all money together
• 53:24
  and send it to dance. Right. Hey, hey, Dan, would
• 53:28
  you see that funky badgery at the convention. That's true. You can write
• 53:32
  his rose Teac from Star Wars, so Dan can write about his feelings about
• 53:37
  it in his Michael Burnham diary. Would he the Discovery crew never survive a
• 53:44
  badgie attack to a dept diary whispering with Mikey So well, well thanks to
• 53:54
  you, uh ja tea Berry okay, yeahs also waiting, I don't Yeah,
• 54:00
  we all look like Daniel, you look like you'll look like thanks a
• 54:02
  lot, Daniel, all right, thanks, alright, bye, all right,
• 54:10
  Yeah, we got t Bart, so let's bring him on there he
• 54:14
  is. Hey, hey, hey, that's slower decords. We all look
• 54:19
  alike. Huh all right. I actually it's been busy so I've been able
• 54:27
  to get here in the mornings of day, but just went to I heard
• 54:30
  my recognition of the viral post of the politics. Oh yeah, alutely.
• 54:37
  I came here to claim my reward or my U pay check for promoting caster.
• 54:43
  Yeah you did great. Your reward. Your reward is six thumbs up.
• 54:46
  Go ahead, guys. Right, Yeah, that's it. That's where
• 54:53
  else to get kind of recognition that was worth it got me for life.
• 55:00
  I'm going to keep coming back even after I cancel my paramount subscription. Yes,
• 55:16
  make that a hashtag. Make that a T shirt? Yeah, oh
• 55:23
  that might be a T shirt. I actually liked it helps to come into
• 55:31
  watching Discovery with lowered expectations, and so far it hasn't been oh wow,
• 55:37
  this is actually better than my thought. It's been okay, not bad.
• 55:40
  I can go with this. They made some changes, you know, they're
• 55:44
  they're being really explicit calling out who the rest of the bridge crew is.
• 55:49
  Yeah, now that that that was reason. What's his name? Bryce Area,
• 55:54
  I'm like, I actually know their names now, Christian in the background,
• 55:59
  I always check can calms. I think, yeah, I don't know
• 56:02
  the new guy that replaced a place in. But it's it's like it was
• 56:07
  a long time coming and they realized, oh, yeah, we forgot to
• 56:10
  do this. How about we just go in a couple of episodes, because
• 56:15
  the first two episodes moved the plot along, this one has been. These
• 56:17
  last two have been kind of like fillers where they're really focusing on the characters
• 56:23
  and basically having in one episode basically have what's his name the new commander,
• 56:30
  the new first officer, and yeah, Rayner and Burnham come together and see
• 56:36
  eye to eye. Now, I'm like, that was a little quick.
• 56:38
  I would have rather had them be a little more antagonistic. I mean,
• 56:43
  they did a better job with Shaw and having that one defining moment and you're
• 56:46
  like, oh man, this guy's actually growing on me. He's actually no,
• 56:51
  like, no, don't don't kill them off? What do you do?
• 56:52
  What are you crazy? But yeah, and it's just to get back
• 56:55
  to the store because the story part is inn is what actually caught me.
• 56:59
  This year's disco is disco. It'll always be disco. It'll always be focused
• 57:06
  around Michael. But like, well, did they get the other artifact the
• 57:09
  clue? And they ended this episode on let's figure it out? I'm like,
• 57:14
  wait, you just wasted one whole episode out of ten. You're you're
• 57:19
  already limited an episode, and you wasted one just for this. You could
• 57:22
  have had some thing where they actually found part of the artifact or something in
• 57:27
  this episode to kind of help yeah things along. There was no there was
• 57:30
  no B story, right, there was no B story. There was the
• 57:35
  hint of a B story. We saw Lock and uh Mall is that name?
• 57:39
  Lock and Mall. We saw them at the beginning, and you kind
• 57:45
  of got the idea this might be the BET story. We might cut back
• 57:47
  to them a couple times throughout the episode, but then they just didn't right
• 57:51
  right, And that's typical Disco. But they were never good at b stories.
• 57:54
  And in fact, I was impressed when the last episode with Turin and
• 58:00
  and uh Turin Turina and through that was a classic BET story where you have
• 58:07
  two separate plot lines they all converge at one point, but I'm like,
• 58:12
  oh wow, this is actually flowing well as an episode. And now they're
• 58:15
  like, oh, well, we forgot, We're just we're just go we
• 58:17
  can't do that. Let's go back to our normal storyline. So right,
• 58:22
  T Beert, what direction would you like to see this storyline take? The
• 58:29
  specific one? Like yeah, with the with the with the heist or the
• 58:34
  the you know, the the progenitors and yeah, the progenitors trying to find
• 58:37
  a is there a specific like, oh, I hope it turns into this
• 58:42
  or I hope it turns into that. Do you just want to see a
• 58:45
  recipe for biscuits at the end? I think there. I hope that they
• 58:52
  end up finding it and then they decide to destroy it because having that kind
• 58:57
  of technology as we've seen, going hundred years in the future ruins the plot
• 59:00
  lines or the plotholes. I should say, yeah, but it's it makes
• 59:07
  it too easy. There's too much technology. They the writers don't have to
• 59:10
  think about the situation. There's no risk to any character now because oh they
• 59:15
  die, we can just bring them back, we can just reboot them.
• 59:16
  Where we can just do this, and yeah, I think that's something where
• 59:21
  they would all come to. Degree is like, you know what, even
• 59:22
  though those four scientists agree the way we weren't ready, we feel like we're
• 59:28
  still not ready, and I don't think we'll ever be ready. And in
• 59:30
  fact, I think it'll probably reveal something about the progenitors where they were never
• 59:36
  ready themselves and that's why they're no longer around too, so they're kind of
• 59:39
  self destructed in that sense. I think that would be a true good story
• 59:44
  to tell, a good moral of it, of technology and you know,
• 59:50
  not being able to advance the long society along with it kind of things.
• 59:52
  So Okay, I don't think that's going to happen. So let me ask
• 59:58
  let me ask you guys this. So one thing they did this season,
• 1:00:04
  they took a thirty five year old plot line m from TG and continued the
• 1:00:13
  story. What let's say that Starfleet Academy is set in the thirty second century.
• 1:00:22
  We know that Discovery has this one story that's it. This is the
• 1:00:25
  last story that that that they're going to tell for this crew. But Starfleet
• 1:00:31
  Academy might still be set in the thirty second century. So what other old
• 1:00:37
  Star Trek storyline would you like them to do? Something similar in that they
• 1:00:44
  revisit an old storyline. Yeah, whether it's whether it's yeah the bug,
• 1:00:49
  Yeah, all right, okay, how about this? What would you want
• 1:00:59
  a thirty second century Q? A different Q? Yes, bring back the
• 1:01:07
  female Q that Q saved? What's her name? What's her name? Q?
• 1:01:15
  Girl? Q? Yeah, human was really cute? Yeah, bring
• 1:01:21
  her back ces. Yeah, he's the conventions. I mean she was cute.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah, cue wake she was cute. Oh because Q and the sound
• 1:01:37
  of Q is the beginning of the sound of the word Q. Oh my
• 1:01:40
  god, wow. Y all wants to know is their thirty second century d
• 1:01:46
  S nine. I mean the station would be really old. You think they
• 1:01:52
  get a new one. I think the whole station is now the Yeah,
• 1:02:00
  it's yeah, it's one big hollow suite. It's just one big giant gambling
• 1:02:07
  orgy food plays. Wow. Oh that's that's all it is. Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  So I had a random thought of something I would like to see them revisit.
• 1:02:17
  Do you remember the episode of Enterprise where they're at this planet and there's
• 1:02:22
  two humanoid species and one is like a servant class, and and they discover
• 1:02:30
  that the the servant class will survive this plague, the other the other species
• 1:02:38
  will not, and flocks flocks could cure it, but they decide not to
• 1:02:45
  because you know, the proto prime directive. So I've always wondered what ended
• 1:02:53
  up happening with that world. Did this other species become the dominant species?
• 1:02:59
  And where the a uh were they better than the other species? If that
• 1:03:06
  other species survived, did they treat them better mm hmm, Or did the
• 1:03:10
  tables turn and now they're more of a servant class, they're a lower cast
• 1:03:16
  or something like that. I think that those types of storylines are best left
• 1:03:21
  to strange new worlds. If you're going to do the Academy show, what
• 1:03:25
  I want is I want a doctor Flocks alternative medicine school. In all of
• 1:03:34
  his craziness that he did. Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh you
• 1:03:44
  have a real quick okay. Yeah, it's like you come in with a
• 1:03:49
  screen eagle and oh yeah, let me get my genebulent slugworm to yourself around
• 1:03:55
  it. Yeah, the bat that got loose and that was an episode.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah. I don't know though. There's there's some stories that you don't want
• 1:04:04
  to have the continuation because it's actually better to live in your head as what
• 1:04:10
  could have been, to see someone's interpretation of it and a good chance of
• 1:04:14
  it that is not the interpretation you would have wanted to see and you were
• 1:04:16
  going to hate it. Don't do that, just leave alone. Yeah,
• 1:04:23
  yeah, you're right. And I've read books that have work origins or other
• 1:04:27
  origins and it's like, yeah, it's cool, it's one interesting one,
• 1:04:30
  but how would you have done it by do it a different way? And
• 1:04:33
  you're never going to get an agreement. And I think they're always going to
• 1:04:36
  mess it up somehow, three rigs something up dance back, so I don't
• 1:04:47
  Yeah. Yeah, So when you send them Dan the Michael Burnham funks,
• 1:05:03
  make sure you get one from the uniform and one from the new uniform,
• 1:05:09
  so he has both. Yes, I can do and yeah and I need.
• 1:05:14
  I need two of each because I want to keep one in the original
• 1:05:16
  package. Sure, sure, that's right. Yeah, and get those out
• 1:05:25
  to you before before New York. That way, you know you can you
• 1:05:29
  know, display them and walk around with them. Sure yeah, yep,
• 1:05:38
  his denhim jackets has got like the the Michael Burnham heart on the back.
• 1:05:42
  You know. Oh you guys, I was going to show you my T
• 1:05:49
  shirt. I got a box. I found a box of T shirts.
• 1:05:54
  This is it says, party spots in the house tonight and then everybody have
• 1:05:59
  a logical time. Yeah. So I found from the move a few years
• 1:06:04
  ago. I found a bunch of old Star Trek T shirts. So I'm
• 1:06:06
  gonna I'm gonna be wearn't a different one each week for the foreseeable future.
• 1:06:13
  Nice, all right, but enough about me now, Just we'll see what
• 1:06:20
  goes on. I'm still pissed about lower decks. But what can they find
• 1:06:24
  as many petitions as they could so crossing fingers, Yeah, well, I
• 1:06:30
  mean exactly did say that they're trying to see, you know, if they
• 1:06:34
  can find somewhere else to go. So there's already online petitions and Change that
• 1:06:41
  Org. I shared a change dot org on Facebook. There's a lot of
• 1:06:45
  people that are up in arms about it. It's it's a lot it's and
• 1:06:48
  sometimes they listen to these things. Sometimes sometimes yeah, I'd be okay if
• 1:06:55
  the green light legacy and say, you know what, we lower decks has
• 1:06:59
  had its runs, ideas, whatever, but give us something because right now
• 1:07:02
  we just I mean not I'm saying, we just have strange in the world.
• 1:07:05
  Strange and worlds is great. But if they're going to go five year
• 1:07:09
  thing, we may only have one more season beyond the next one that they
• 1:07:12
  disapproved and what comes after that? I mean, right, you know,
• 1:07:15
  ten episode seasons of Star Trek is nothing compared to the twenty twenty five twenty
• 1:07:20
  four episodes we used to get right and with the with the paramount up and
• 1:07:26
  air. As far as ownership, ye goes and leadership, you know,
• 1:07:29
  that makes that compounds, it makes it even worse. So we don't know,
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, who knows what if Disney buys it, and you know what
• 1:07:35
  if Disney makes Star Trek well oh wait, no, they can't do that.
• 1:07:39
  It's already happened. But yeah, but I mean we saw what they
• 1:07:44
  did to the Star Wars franchise, and I don't. You know, I
• 1:07:46
  don't think that's going to be any hope for Star Trek if they do,
• 1:07:48
  if they we would get quantity over quality. Then yeah, well and that's
• 1:07:54
  like if Sony bought it, what's going to happen? Right, Like,
• 1:07:57
  we don't know which version of Sony will get it. We're gonna have start
• 1:08:00
  the games that come on the PS three or five or whatever, we're on
• 1:08:04
  sixteen, whatever, and we're gonna have more Spider type bugs that caused multiverse
• 1:08:09
  kind of relationships. And you know, maybe that's why Sony put the bin.
• 1:08:15
  Hey they're already they already have the same idea we have. This is
• 1:08:16
  a perfect fit for us. Yeah. Yeah, So anyways, thanks guys,
• 1:08:24
  glad, thanks for coming on. Worked out and yeah, good to
• 1:08:30
  be back. Awesome, thanks man. All right, well, jeez,
• 1:08:39
  will we get a Spider Man crossover? You know? I you know,
• 1:08:45
  not that I want that in any way, but it just makes me curious,
• 1:08:50
  Like the licensing agreement between Sony and Marvel, Yeah, probably probably restricts
• 1:08:57
  them from crossing over with their licensed characters. I don't think they could just
• 1:09:04
  do that on their own. No, maybe, well, we talked about
• 1:09:08
  it before too, in the comics. They've done Star Trek crossovers, like
• 1:09:11
  the one that I remember most famously is the one with X Men. Yep.
• 1:09:15
  Yeah, they actually did two of them with X Men. They did
• 1:09:16
  it with the original series crew and then they did it again with the post
• 1:09:21
  First Contact Enterprise crew. Yah called second Second Contact was the name of the
• 1:09:27
  story because it picked up right as they were leaving the past to go back
• 1:09:31
  to the twenty fourth century. They dropped in in the twenty first century on
• 1:09:38
  the X Men. I mean, it wasn't a bad story. Paramount owns
• 1:09:44
  the potential best crossover ever that they could do with Peppa Pig Stop for the
• 1:09:51
  Paw Patrol Boy boy NCIS there you go. You know, that's not a
• 1:10:02
  bad idea those division it really is, and they should do so well they
• 1:10:08
  do so dever, that would be awesome. Yeah, it's not the worst.
• 1:10:16
  You know, they could make it they you know, and they wouldn't.
• 1:10:18
  I think a Star Trek obviously wouldn't call it a n SCIS, But
• 1:10:23
  I think a NCIS type show would actually do pretty good because they it's it's
• 1:10:29
  far enough in the future now, the twenty per century where they're not walking
• 1:10:31
  around in pajamas. You know, they sort of have nice uniforms. It's
• 1:10:34
  kind of modernized. They could do a little division where they're just investigating different
• 1:10:40
  different crimes and different things. And you know, it doesn't have to be
• 1:10:43
  temporal. It can just be regular run of the mill. Hey, we've
• 1:10:46
  got a murder out at whatever, you know, San Francisco, and let's
• 1:10:50
  go check it out. Grab your gear. Well, t Beard was saying
• 1:10:55
  Starfleet Jag. Yeah, that could interest Yeah, I mean, and they've
• 1:11:00
  proved in the past that, you know, a courtroom show can be interesting.
• 1:11:06
  Some of the best episodes for courtroom shows. Yeah, I would actually
• 1:11:12
  really like that. That sounds great. I mean, yeah, they could
• 1:11:14
  do Yeah, I mean Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well
• 1:11:17
  there it sits one of the best lines of track. What if your two
• 1:11:21
  shows are jet Rino's this Old House and you and your court show, and
• 1:11:27
  that's it. We're not exploring anything. We're just fixing hips and fighting criminals.
• 1:11:32
  You reach out to Yeah, you reach out to Kurtzman. I'll reach
• 1:11:38
  out to Kevin O'Connor. There you go from this old House and we'll see
• 1:11:41
  if we can make something happen. Perfect That sounds great. All right.
• 1:11:47
  Well, I think that's pretty much wraps it up for this episode, all
• 1:11:50
  right, and we'll be back next week. We'll see you next week.
• 1:11:56
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• 1:12:00
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