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Tom Renz: Trump Must Speak Up NOW Before It’s Too Late · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So we've gotten to a place where vaccine injuries and deaths are hitting a number the media and politicians can no longer hide. I mean, people will only believe in sudden adult death syndrome for so long. So what comes next?
• 0:22
  Well, my guest today, attorney Tom Rens, has been sounding the alarm that they're gonna try to pin the blame on Trump. If you check out recent media reports, it looks like they're gearing up to do just that. But before we get started, today's show is brought to you by Rise TV, a Patriot owned streaming platform. With all the big tech censorship and the monetization going on right now, the subscribers at Rise TV are literally the reason I can bring you this critical information today. Over at Rise, our mission is to uncover the truth no matter how dark and difficult, while always holding on to hope.
• 0:58
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• 1:23
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• 1:50
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• 3:11
  Alright, folks, today I have with me Attorney Tom Rens, who has been a hero on the front lines of the war against the pandemic, the war against the vaccines, the war against the mandates. He is just a a hero who's been out there fighting on the the legal front. He also happens to be a fellow Ohioan, which makes me extremely proud to share a state with him. So he is the perfect person to discuss this topic today. It's something he's been talking about for quite some time.
• 3:42
  He published a Substack article about it back in June. So we're just gonna dig into this. We're gonna just dig into the topic of whether the media, the Democrats, the cabal, whatever you wanna call them, whether they're getting ready to pin the vaccine on Trump now that the evidence of it's the deaths and injuries that are coming out, it's coming out so much that people will no longer be able to ignore it. So without further ado, we're gonna bring on Tom Rin. So, Tom, thank you so very much for joining me today.
• 4:14
  I'm honored to have you on the Man in America Show.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, Seth, man, I am so excited to be here. You know, we've ran into each other more than once at some of the tours and speaking events, and I so appreciate what you do. And I'm embarrassed to say I didn't realize you were Ohio until we talked the other day. Man, we got a lot of good people in Ohio. We got you, we got Santilli, we got Pam Popper, we got Sherri Tenpenny, got the resistance chicks.
• 4:44
  Mean, just Doug Frank, we got a ton of good people who have just been fighting for freedom. I mean, who knew Ohio of all places, right?
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they do say what? Ohio is the heart of America, right?
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're trying. We're trying to make sure that the heart keeps beating.
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, Tom, I wanna I'll pull up really quickly here. You wrote a Substack article in June titled jabs the secret weapon against Trump, where you're already warning about what you saw as could be the Achilles heel of Trump.
• 5:26
  We know that they're coming after him with the Mar A Lago raid. They've tried all the impeachment scandals. This might be the one thing that could truly be an impediment to him, you know, coming back in as our president and really helping to kinda get our nation back on track. And so it's almost prophetic what you wrote because we had a Politico recently covered that there was a the Democrats had a report by the House Democrats where they're starting to lay the seeds, you know, they're they're sow the seeds to basically pin this on president Trump. And we had you know, Tucker did a segment on it.
• 6:00
  I think it was even last night, really kinda calling this out now how he's also seeing the same thing happening. And, you know, we knew that this would eventually happen that they can only cover this up for so long. You know, we're having these reports coming out, whether it's Edward Dow talking about the insurance numbers or the social social security deaths reports coming out, a lot of information that you've brought to the public, that they can only hide the damage that this vaccine has caused for so long. And the question really is, once they can no longer hide it, what do they do about it? So I've really I'm looking forward to having this discussion with you because this is an important one.
• 6:41
  And I will start with this statement ahead of time and saying that, you know, I still strongly support president Trump. I think that he's the best president we've had really in modern history, if not ever. You know, you know, have some of the founding fathers that were incredible. But what he's done for America, it has been incredible. And I'm not, you know, bringing you on to have a Trump bashing show where we're blaming him for everything because I think he was in a tight position.
• 7:11
  But I also think that it's really important for us to have this discussion to understand what's coming and hopefully figure out like, is there any way we can help avert this? So, you know, so Tom, why don't you just go ahead and dig in? What are your thoughts on this?
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is that I want to make clear that my concern So I started writing and talking about this way before that article. In fact, I think I might have wrote another article where I talked about that probably six months before. This was real clear to me, and we had intel on this probably, you know, within six months of the jabs coming out, that they were gonna eventually try and start pinning this on Trump. And this was one of their tools in their arsenal to try and make sure that if he ran in 2024, that they were going to be able to really just hit him. So we knew this was coming.
• 8:08
  I've talked to a lot of people. I've put this out there in a lot of places. And I want to make real clear to anyone listening. President Trump has done more good for our country than any president in the last forty years. I mean, the guy has led the MAGA movement.
• 8:28
  The guy has really focused on pro America stuff. And it's a big country. There's a lot of issues. And this one didn't go well. But we've got a lot of intel, and I've been working very hard on this.
• 8:48
  I don't lay this at his feet. Now, I do think he needs to come out and tell people he got lied to. This is a disaster. I mean, there's a ton of stuff here. And I'm that I get to I've offered, and I'm going repeat this again, I will fly on my dime any experts that he wants to Mar Lago to brief him on this.
• 9:11
  I will come down myself. We will explain to him. We're aware that he got lied to. I've got evidence of corruption. I've got tons of stuff.
• 9:20
  I know what happened, but we've got to have him willing to listen. We support what he's done. But the thing is, is I don't even think the president realized how deep the swamp is. And the swamp included and we've got evidence. We've got evidence of the intel community, the DOD, all these different people who are tied in with this whole pandemic.
• 9:44
  And some of that's going to be coming out very, very soon. We know how it happened. We know what had happened. And they've been planning to set him up on this for a long time. And they were able to convince a lot of other good people.
• 10:00
  I mean, so there's some good people at Fox News that have been historically good people that got bought off on this. Whether they got bought off knowingly or not is not the point. I think some of them just actually believed, Hey, all of my doctors are telling me the same thing. I believe it. They got lied to.
• 10:19
  God bless Dan Bongino. Okay, so Dan Bongino just came out. I think the man should be honored as a hero, because Bongino, he came out and just said, Listen, this was a mistake. And I had some people actually online saying, Hey, you should have known, and that sort of stuff. No, why should he have known?
• 10:40
  Bongino was facing cancer. He had a family crisis. He had all these things going on, and he got lied to. He got manipulated just like the rest of us. So did Trump.
• 10:50
  A lot of people got lied to and manipulated. Now I'm going to tell you, anybody that's followed me knows that I didn't believe it. Not the best attorney, not the brightest guy, not any of that, but I was from day one on this. And you aren't going find anybody who was on it first because frankly, I started before this started. Before COVID hit, I was already arguing about COVID.
• 11:16
  So it's not possible to have been before me, although I will give credit to some of my dear friends, my Sherri Tenpennies, my Chris Northropes, my Pam Poppers who knew about the vaccine stuff before I did. I've been on this from day one, and as a guy who has been on this, who's been steadfast and who will not sell out anything to anyone on this, I'm going to tell you that I don't believe that Bongino or Trump or any of these guys who got lied to should get dumped on for this. Bongino's owned it. We need Trump to stand out. If you come out now and you say, Listen, I got lied to, it was a mistake, and let me tell you the truth, then to me, that's all that we got to do, because everybody makes mistakes.
• 12:07
  I make more mistakes than I can count. And I may have got it right on this, but I make a lot of mistakes. I'm an imperfect guy. So again, I can't say it enough, but God bless Bongino for having the courage to do what he did. And I hope that we can get the president to see what's going on so that he can do the same.
• 12:25
  Because if these guys do, they'll save millions of lives, and we can really move towards accountability in a way that, you know, we've got to have these people coming together for us to get to that accountability. This was part of a war on America. It was brought to us by the Chinese Communist Party, by a group of globalists, by a group of monsters, just monstrous people. And we either come together and fight these guys or we lose. So we need to not be ostracizing or pointing fingers.
• 12:59
  We need to be coming together and fighting against this tyranny.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's very, very good points. And, you know, one thing so I know that you're very active speaking at the reawaken tours, and that's where I've bumped into you a handful of times, and I'm on there as well. And, you you know, if there's one tour that's publicly talking about the damage of the vaccines, it's this tour. It's that group of people. But you've also got Don Junior.
• 13:27
  You've got Eric Trump. You know, you have, you know, people very close to Trump that are also sharing the stage with people like yourself or Judy Mikovits or doctor Cherry Tenpenny. And so, you know, it's at the beginning of this, you know, and even the first, you know, say, couple of months of rolling things out or even the first six months or a year even, it was you could make the excuse that maybe Trump still didn't know. But by this point, you know, with his own children on that stage and with all the people around him, and with all the information coming out, which, you know, I want to segue in second here to really talk to you about where where the overall death counts are at with this, because that's an important part of this discussion. Because there are certain people who say, well, it's only a small portion or it's not that bad, but it's it's it's actually it is.
• 14:17
  But, you know, the real question I have is that by this point, he has to have been getting this information. So, like, why do you think he's not coming out and talking about it? Because I mean, is it is it ego? Is it pride? Is it maybe that the deep state has something over him?
• 14:35
  There's some sort of blackmail. Or it's like, at this point, why is he still kind of he's still, you know, pretty
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: full And
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: yeah. And he's still when he's, you know, at his public rallies, he's he's softened it a little bit. But whether it was the the interview with Candace Owens or, you know, various, you know, public appearances or rallies, he's it's not that he comes out and says, look. If you wanna take it, it's your choice. He comes out and says, I think you should take it.
• 15:01
  I think the teachers should take it. You know? He's like, I'm the he's called himself the father of the vaccine. And even, you know, saying he's was kinda bragging earlier on, which this might be something that they're planning on using against him where he's on Fox News bragging about how they put so much pressure on the FDA to get this done, that they pushed them so hard. They'd never been pushed so hard before.
• 15:23
  So why do you what what do you think is stopping him?
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I love that you're asking me this because these are the real tough questions that that a lot of people who support Trump but realize that these are are murderous disasters are asking themselves. I've been eager to talk about this. And again, I'm sincerely hoping he'll let me give him some information on this. You've got to understand this, and I've thought a lot about this. I'm honored to call some people like General Flynn a friend.
• 15:57
  I'm honored to have been on the reawakening tour where I've got to talk to a lot of people and to see a lot of things and get a lot of perspectives. And I can't say that I'm a big shot. I can't say that I've got magic on this. I'm just going to share my perspective. Seth, I mean, I'm a guy from Ohio.
• 16:17
  I'm a nobody, and I've built a bit of a platform. As that's happened, I suddenly look around and I don't think people understand what that means, okay? Unless you've lived it, because I wouldn't understand what it meant unless I'd lived it. All of a sudden, my phone never stops ringing. People constantly want me to give an opinion on everything.
• 16:40
  And sometimes they want opinions from me that I'm not qualified to talk about, and I have to tell them that. It's crazy. It's crazy, because if you look at the platform I have versus the platform of someone who was president of The United States and was famous before that, it's not even in the ballpark. So this guy is getting hit from every direction on every issue known to man nonstop. I'm going to tell you what I think about this.
• 17:14
  I think that the Donald was lied to and manipulated. Now you ask about the time frame. Frame. Okay, so you'd think this far in that he'd be fully apprised and ready to go. But let me ask you something.
• 17:27
  So you and I know each other, Seth, and you and I go to these things, and we, you know, I'm sure that you get this just like I do, where you'll get, you know, random people will come up and be like, Hey, look at this paperwork I got. It proves this, undoubtedly proves this. Right? And I try to look at that paperwork when people hand it to me. I really do.
• 17:48
  Like I can't always get back to them, and I'm sure that that annoys people, but there's nothing I can do about it. There's thousands of people waiting for me to get back to them. Usually try and look at it. If someone's nice enough to print something out and hand it to me, I'll usually try and look at it. And so I look at it.
• 18:07
  Now, I don't know this person. I have no idea who someone walks up to me out of a crowd and hands me a piece of paper, don't know who you are. So what do I do with that? Well, so I look at it and I measure it against what I know or what I think I know. And then I decide I just do the best I can.
• 18:30
  Sometimes I integrate some of the information into my work or research. Sometimes I think it's no good, and I throw it away. It just depends. The problem is, is if you're Donald Trump, yeah, Tom Wrens has been out here and he's provided all sorts of great stuff. Yeah, Judy Mikovits, Sherri Tenpenny, all these people provided all this stuff, right?
• 18:54
  But guess what? All of us together as platform doesn't even make a blip on the Trump radar. I'm a nobody. Get it. People are like, No, you've got a platform.
• 19:09
  Okay, great. I've got a platform. I'm still, compared to Donald Trump, I'm a nobody. Why is Donald Trump going to listen to comrades over people like Sean Hannity, over multiple PhD holders who are at the heads of departments in the federal government, over generals and other people whose job it is to know this stuff. Why would I think?
• 19:32
  Now, I'll tell you why he should, because I was right, and I had the paperwork to back it up, and I stood behind it. Now, he should have listened, but he didn't, and that's a mistake. But the problem is, though, is that Donald Trump has a lot of people with a lot bigger platforms and a lot more credibility and a lot more knowledge telling him stuff that's wrong. It's wrong. It was wrong from the beginning.
• 19:58
  It's wrong now. It will be wrong in the future. It was garbage. And a lot of those people are self serving. A lot of those people were corrupt.
• 20:06
  But those people are people that he thought were close to him and were doing this because it was in the best interest. Now they lied to him. But how can any human being you know, listen, here's a news flash for all of you guys that are thinking about this. Donald Trump, great president, great American. He craps the same way you and I do.
• 20:30
  He's a human being, An amazing human being. But he's the same guy that you and I are in terms of he bleeds red. And I don't care whether you're a homeless addict on the street or President Donald Trump, we all bleed red. Okay? We're all full sin.
• 20:53
  Are all of sin. Are all bleed red. If you're Donald Trump, yeah, probably at this point heard that these guys on the reawakening tour are bringing this and that and other. But in your other ear, you've got people who maybe you've known for twenty years, who have global platforms that are big shots, that are lying to you about this jab and advising you. Now, here's the problem, and here's where the frustration comes in.
• 21:22
  I've been talking for over a year about the fact they were going to use this against him. I've reached out to every single person I could to try and get this message to him. The bottom line, though, is that at some point, Donald Trump had to weigh out the advice of some very high end, very well known, very big platform advisors versus something that may have been credible and maybe some of his advisors and friends who I've gone through to try and get information to him has said, you know, this guy's really good. He's good. He's got it.
• 21:57
  And I know some of them have because some of them are my friends, But he's got a way out ultimately. If you're Donald Trump, you've got a way out. Did I trust this nobody from Ohio or did I trust my friend of twenty years who's got all these accolades and is such a big shot? And listen, I would be really arrogant, really arrogant to think that Donald Trump should ignore some of these people who are so big and so credible to listen to me. So we've worked very hard and to deal with that.
• 22:33
  I've been aware of this for a long time. I know where I'm at. I'm not a big shot. So I know that. And that's been a great advantage to me because since I know that, I'm more than willing to work hard to continue to earn the respect.
• 22:48
  At some point, I'm going to be proven right because I am right. And as we see right now with the stuff coming out, I've been right. So at some point, if I keep working hard enough and God favors me, I'll develop the credibility that when I talk, you know, guys like him may listen a little bit. At that point, you know, yeah. But right now, and I think what people got to understand is that to this point, he's got bad advice from crooked people, but those crooked people, and some of them aren't crooked, some of them have been lied to just like he was and just believed it.
• 23:30
  And it came down to, Hey, should we trust nobody's from Ohio or should we trust these guys? And I think he did the best he could with the decisions he had to make. And where I'm at, okay, the truth's coming out now. Donald, Mr. President, it's time for you to speak out and to take a stand.
• 23:52
  Now, in another year or however long, if he's still out there talking about these jabs being a good thing, then I think it gets to the point where it becomes unforgivable. But at this point, I don't think people can understand the amount of insulation and amount of pressure that there's put on a guy like that to try and mislead and manipulate from people who are, you know, I mean, spend millions of dollars trying to mislead and manipulate guys like Trump.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: What what what chance to you know, outside of very quietly and long term building credibility, what chance does a guy like me have of of doing that?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So have you have you spoken to Don Jr. Or Eric? Or do you know as General Flynn spoken to them, you know, to try to get this message to him? Because I was listening to Pete Santilli on the Mike Adams show that, you know, had an interview in the past couple of days. And what Pete Santilli said is that, you know, because he's, you know, got a lot of resources and connections that he knows as well, they're, you know, close to Trump.
• 24:58
  Yeah. Then what he shared was that if anybody brings this up on the phone to Trump, he'll just hang up on him. That he does he doesn't he doesn't even wanna broach the subject of the vaccine. So I mean, have you had any luck in talking to his children? Or has General Flynn had any luck with that?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So I can't tell you who all General Flynn's talked to. One of the things that I try and make my business to do is to not I don't want to know everything that General Flynn does, because the guy is You know what? He's a friend of mine. I knew him before he got persecuted with all this nonsense, and I've got nothing but respect for him. I know he's doing what he believes is best for America.
• 25:42
  And sometimes I just trust him to do what he's doing on that. I can't say I know whether or not or who he's talked to or what he said. What I can tell you is I have not spoken directly to Eric or Don Jr. About this. They're both on the reawakening tour, and I would welcome the opportunity to do that.
• 26:02
  I'm going to probably badger Clay and the general, see if they can't give me a few minutes to talk with them, Because like I said, we, the people who are aware of what's going on, are generally Trump supporters. We're his base. Right? We're the people who want America made great again. We're the people who don't want $6 gas, who don't want racism taught in our schools, who don't want, you know, the southern borders to be open for sex trafficking and drug trafficking.
• 26:35
  We're the people who want our nation to build an industrial base so that we don't have to rely on China. We're his base, right? So I really would love to do that. I haven't had the opportunity to. You know how these events are, right?
• 26:52
  I mean, you go in and for me, from the second I get there till the second I leave, I am busy every single moment, everyone. I've got so many people I got to talk to and things I got to do. So, you know, I would love to talk to Don Jr. And Eric and brief them on all this. I'd love to talk to the president himself and brief him on I don't know and cannot say that he's ever hung up on anyone to my knowledge, but I know Santilly, he's a good dude.
• 27:24
  I like Pete. So, you know, whatever. If that's what it is, it is what it is. But ultimately, the president got played on this. He got played by some of the biggest, most awful people on the planet.
• 27:40
  They lied to him. This was the swamp. It was the deep state. And we've got to get him to recognize what's going on because his people want to back him. But millions and millions are dying or going to die from these jabs.
• 27:59
  COVID was the greatest fraud in human history. We're gonna keep dropping stuff on this. I'm pleading for the opportunity to help him continue making America great, but he can't overlook this one. Not because we're going to dump it on him, but because the Democrats and the left are. They're going to dump this on him.
• 28:22
  There's no question. The house report was put out by accident? I mean, come on. Exactly. These guys knew exactly what they were doing.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And that leads me to my next question is, what do you think would come next if Trump doesn't come out? And even if he does, even if he does, you know, he may have already missed the window perhaps, but it says to say he doesn't. What do you see them doing? Like, how would they like, could this be the the golden opportunity that they're waiting for to finally bring him down? I mean, how would they go about this?
• 28:57
  Because I can tell you, you know, I've I spent a lot of time similar to yourself interacting with folks that I would say are at the core of the MAGA movement, whatever you wanna, you know, as much as Joe Biden hates it, and he says we're all terrorists. Right? But these these are good people, and these are people that have supported Trump from day one. But this is the this is the one issue they can't wrap their heads around. And so this is the one issue that I think even his base look.
• 29:24
  We see through Russiagate. We see through anything they wanna throw at him. We see through it. But this is the one thing that even a lot of his core base haven't been able to find the right place to to to look past it. So what do you think that they would do to him?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I've been pushing this, because this is the only thing the man is almost invincible politically. This is the Achilles heel, right, because this An unwillingness to recognize what's going on here will eventually be seen as prideful and arrogant. And it's when people are dying, they can't. That's a tough thing, right? They're going to pin this on him.
• 30:16
  Right? I mean, Operation Warp Speed is going to be the battle cry of the left. And it's going to come down to this: they want these jabs out there. They want to continue pushing and protecting pharma and everything else, but if it comes down to having Donald Trump as president again or sacrificing pharma, I think they'll sacrifice pharma in a heartbeat, because Trump is too great of a threat to them. Yeah, he blew it on this.
• 30:42
  He blew it on this one, but he didn't blow it. He did what he thought was good. He did some amazing things. I mean, you know, he thought he was pushing out a cure or a way to deal with this in some sort of magical time frame and this and another. He didn't know that they'd had years of development on this, that this was part of a much larger plan.
• 31:03
  I mean, we know I'm about to come out and show everybody and really talk about the fact that EcoHealth Alliance created this with funding from Fauci in the Wuhan lab in 2015. Okay, this has been around. They knew what was happening before Trump was there. Remember all the stuff they talked about, insurance policies against Trump, things like that? Well, was more than one.
• 31:26
  It wasn't just Russiagate. It wasn't just Hillary. There were a lot of things here. We've got a ton of stuff on this. We know what happened.
• 31:35
  And remember, we have so much evidence that we can't make public. I don't even know how to describe it. Like the body of evidence that we've got, because some of it you have to have in context or it doesn't make sense, and if you put it out out of context, the media would spin it and try and make you look like you're not credible. And so we have to be a hundred times more credible than anybody else on the planet because everybody's against us. I mean, even even the guy that we that we support, Trump hasn't been for us.
• 32:06
  There's literally if you're in the COVID fight, literally everybody is against you. The right wing, the left wing, the middle wing, you know, the only people that are supporting us are We the People. Now, We the People like us, the mega base likes us, because they know that we're truthful. But nobody else is forced. So we have to be super, super credible.
• 32:27
  You know, this is exactly they've laid the groundwork. Now it's interesting that you got Deborah Brooks out there admitting all the lies that she's told. You have all these people coming out, and they're turning on each other because there's no honor amongst thieves. And they're all saying, Well, they made me do this, or they made me do that. Let me tell you, and I pray to God that the Donald sees this, these guys, not one of them are loyal to Mega or the Donald.
• 33:01
  They're going to turn on each other, but they're eventually going to turn on him. And he's the guy that the media, the Democrats, everybody else will be happy to make a scapegoat on this. And they're not going to talk about the fact that the Donald was lied to. They're not going to talk about the fact that they misled him. They're not going to talk about who paid them off to do it.
• 33:24
  They're just going to say, Donald Trump made us do this. Operation Warp Speed, look at all the pressure. He admitted he put pressure on us to prove this. We didn't know it wasn't safe and effective. We thought it was, but it didn't matter.
• 33:36
  And by the way, look at all concerns we had because we wrote these papers that we then lied about publicly, but you'll never see those public statements replayed. You're going to see the documents that prove definitively that the Donald was behind this and that he's behind the death of millions, and that's what they're gonna try and do. And so if we don't get that out there, if we don't make sure that he gets ahead of this, it's it's gonna be a disaster. And America cannot handle another RINO, and it cannot handle another Democrat. We are on the verge of collapse as a nation.
• 34:14
  I mean, the stuff that's occurring now is not stuff we're going to get through. And we can't there's really a sense of urgency in this, because the Donald's time to take this issue back is running out. And if he does it, it's going to do major damage, major damage on a global scale, to MAGA, to him, to everything. And so there is a sense of urgency. He does need to hear this and to wake up on it.
• 34:47
  And I don't know. I mean, I pray to God that the whole phone hanging up thing isn't true because he needs to hear this. And I don't know what else to do other than to continue doing what we're doing in terms of putting out there the truth and just praying that he hears it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Which brings me to one just quick point for all of you that are watching. Please share this video because the more people that see this type of information, whether it's this video or the video that Alex Jones put out or other information like this, like, please help this information spread because if more of the especially his base look. As as our leader, it's his responsibility to listen to us. Like, that's how this works. Right?
• 35:32
  That that that's how this works as we the people. Right? So, like, you look, even the first video that we put out, the plot to steal America, enough people shared it, and it reached Trump. And then he shared it. Right?
• 35:45
  And that's the reason why, you know, I'm here today in front of this camera. So if enough people can try to get this information out, like, this is critical. Because, like, you know, from what you're saying and what I'm seeing unfold here, you know, he really is at risk with this. And, you know, when I brought this up that I was gonna have you on to have this discussion, you know, a lot of people, you know, on social media were saying, look, it's not his fault. You know, he was he was lied to.
• 36:11
  He can't be held responsible. But only thing I think of is looking I've I've owned businesses before. And if I'm the CEO of a company, even if once a person in my mail room is committing fraud, it's ultimately my fault. Right? You know, the the this the buck stops at the leader.
• 36:27
  And so Yeah. You know, even though he was lied to, at the end of the day, they're still gonna pin it on him. But what it sounds like that you're seeing is that not only will they be able to use the full force of the media and control the narrative dependence on him, but they've already laid the groundwork to be able to legally pin this on him. Am I correct in understanding that?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I think they have. I think that they've done an immense amount of work on this. This is Russiagate on steroids times 100, right? I mean, he's been very focused on that, but I don't think he's been blindsided by this. This is so much bigger and it's worse.
• 37:09
  And it's exactly what you said. I keep getting the same sort of thing. Oh, he was lied to. Yeah. So what?
• 37:18
  Do you think that CNN, NBC, ABC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, do you think they're going to come out and say, Trump was lied to, the vaccine's a disaster, and someone needs to go to jail? No, the headline is going to be Donald Trump's vaccine was a disaster, people are dying, and it's his fault. And it doesn't matter whether that's true. It doesn't matter. That's what the media is going to do.
• 37:43
  And this is what I keep telling people. Listen, make America great again. That's MAGA. Okay? I'm there.
• 37:52
  I couldn't be more there, because without America, we cannot have freedom on a global America is a shining beacon, okay? Without that shining beacon of freedom on the hill, the rest of the world, I mean, they're gonna be it's gonna be a lost cause. Freedom will collapse globally without without us fighting for it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: We'll enter into a thousand years of darkness if America falls.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It's or worse. So, you know, the bottom line is that we either ensure our freedom or it's all lost, and making America great is the core to that. Everything that Donald was pushing, energy production, domestic manufacturing, industrial development, you know, the refocus on the American worker, giving people an opportunity, those things are wonderful. I support the guy wholeheartedly. You got to understand, this isn't because I have an issue with Donald Trump.
• 38:45
  Actually, it's 100% the opposite. It's because I know that we need Donald Trump to continue doing what he was doing or attempting to do if we want to actually have a chance of turning this nightmare around. Biden has sold out to China and to the globalists so often, and they're our enemies. They're trying to destroy us, and yet this scumbag piece of garbage keeps selling out to them. We've got to get The back on his feet with this stuff, but this is one of the most powerful tools they have.
• 39:18
  And just understand me, I don't care that The Donald was lied to in this, that and other. I don't care in the sense that it's not going to make one bit of difference. How many times I say that the media is not going to report it. They're not going to show clips of Anthony Fauci telling us to wear 18 masks and lock down, and you've got to get your jab or you're going to die. And they're not going to do that.
• 39:44
  They're not going to show the one or two clips of Trump saying, well, it's your decision whether you want to get this jab. No, what they're going to do is they're going to talk about Trump. They're going to play the clip of we got these safe and effective vaccines. They're going to play the clip of him talking about Operation Warp Speed. They're going to take everything out of context.
• 40:03
  They're going to lay 100% of this at Trump's feet, and it doesn't matter what the truth is. At this point, if you're watching this show and you're a Trump supporter or you're at all into freedom, and you think still that the truth makes one bit of difference to the media, then get ahold of me, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's ridiculous, it is absurd, and it doesn't matter whether I like it or not. I can't stress that enough. Everybody's like, well, you shouldn't be saying that because it doesn't matter what I say.
• 40:39
  I'm a nobody from Ohio. Okay? For God's sakes, do you think The New York Times cares what I have to say? No, they don't care. Google's not going to change what they put at the top of the search engine because Tom Wren says.
• 40:57
  So they're not even going to change what's at the top of the search engine because of what Donald Trump says. So Donald Trump either needs to get out in front of this, or it's going to eat him. That's my it's because I'm concerned about the future of our country that I am so actively going after this.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think that well, I guess a quick question to ask you is because you're you're very aware of the real numbers of deaths. I think people from are leaking. You have whistleblowers bringing you information from the Social Security death database. You've got whistleblowers from the military coming in. I mean, just what kind of deaths are we seeing right now?
• 41:38
  And do you expect that to continue? Because I think that what what what's bringing this to a head now is that we can only believe, you you and I, obviously, we see through the lies, but the average person can only believe that this 45 year old healthy person died because of sudden adult death syndrome so many times. They can only cook that story up so many times before people see through it. And they're gonna have to come out. That's the thing is that they're gonna have to come out and admit and say that, look, that, you know, yes, the vaccine is actually causing deaths, especially deaths among young, healthy men, etcetera.
• 42:14
  So are you seeing the buildup of this kind of evidence that basically is like a dam getting ready to burst?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the way I've talked about it is this. I said repeatedly, we've already won. So we did.
• 42:31
  We won. And I'll tell you when we won. We won when we were able to convince enough people to stand against this. People lost their jobs, their friends, their loved ones, their families. They lost everything standing against this jab.
• 42:46
  But when we were able to convince enough people to stand against it, that there was a large control group, we won because everybody knows someone who didn't get jabbed. Everybody knows lots of people who didn't. And so you can lie about what's on the press and what's happening in another state or country, but you can't lie to me about what I see in my own life. And the thing about it is those people that stood strong through this hell that they've been through, well, they not only didn't get the jab, but they are now activists because they got attacked. They lost their jobs.
• 43:22
  They lost everything. So now, when you, the guy who's been jabbed eighty seven times have COVID for the thirty sixth time, the guy who's been through hell that you were making fun of is going to say, Hey, how's that jab working out for you? And so we won this. The other thing is when I look at those death numbers, so there's a couple of things that are critical. We looked at the social security master death file.
• 43:49
  The two biggest spikes on record since 2010 in deaths occurred when the COVID jabs were approved, and then again when they were mandated. Those two spikes skyrocketed. And it's interesting because we shut the country down over COVID. All these deaths okay, well, those two spikes were way, way, way above. If you compare it to a baseline, they were almost double what that initial spike was.
• 44:23
  Huge.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: You're talking nearly a hundred percent increase in just your normal deaths that you would expect?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Over the previous baseline. Okay? I mean, it's not a double of deaths, it's a double over the baseline. And it's not exactly that, it's give or take, but it's pretty close. So you see the skyrocketing number of deaths that occurred.
• 44:46
  And what's happened is that this is really indisputable. Now, the thing that's scary about it is that spike in deaths are the people who got the jab and within a couple weeks or three weeks or a month died because they had a bad reaction to it or whatever. What's really scary, and we've been talking about this from the beginning, three to five years out is where you really start seeing the major health problems. Okay? Some people are going to be prone to getting these more aggressive cancers or heart attacks or whatever real soon, but you've got a genetic modifying mRNA technology, right?
• 45:27
  And let's get rid of the fact checks. Moderna in their SEC filings in 2019 said mRNA is a gene therapy. It is. Okay, so if you want to fact check, I would like to recommend to the Politifact and Reuters and all these fact checkers, please check Moderna's SEC filings from 2019. And I would like you to fact check them and tell them that they lied when they said that their platform was gene therapy, because you're not telling me, you're telling them.
• 45:59
  So it's gene therapy. It modifies the genes. And the result is that your body produces a spike protein we don't know how long, possibly indefinitely. So that spike protein is a pathogen. Over time, the damage from that spike protein may become cumulative.
• 46:21
  So you get three to five years out of nonstop exposure to the spike protein that's the injurious part of coronavirus, what happens? Nobody knows, because there's been no long term testing. My guess, though, is, and based on all the research done by so many brilliant scientists who are now friends of mine, is that you're going to see massive increases. What's going to happen is massive increases in the baseline numbers of deaths: heart attacks, strokes, cancers, different things. Just remember, in this instance, we're not just giving you a poison like you OD on crack.
• 46:58
  We're giving you a poison that's modifying your genes. So with that, what does that mean long term? And some of that's not going to manifest for years. We're going to see continued numbers going up. We've won in the sense that people are aware, but every day that goes by and another person gets one of these or another booster, those cumulative effects continue, and they continue to multiply, and they continue to add up.
• 47:29
  When we get to three to five to ten years down the road, what happens? Also, the other aspect of this is we know, absolutely no question in my mind, these jabs interfere with and impact the reproductive systems of people. What's that going to do to birth rates? What's going to happen on a global scale to birth rates for anybody who got this? We don't know the answer.
• 47:58
  We know that it has an impact, but we don't know what that's going to do. Is it going to create higher miscarriages? Is it going to impede people getting pregnant? Is it going to I mean, it's a gene therapy, what's it going to do to the genetics of the babies? We don't know, and can't get a straight answer from anybody on it.
• 48:20
  So there's a lot of things to look at, and this is just the beginning. What we're seeing right now, you know, they're making a fuss about this before 2022. Well, guess what? Before 2024, we're going to see a lot more and a lot bigger health issues. That's true.
• 48:40
  What's going to happen then?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Do you think that they could, some way, pin this on Trump even as some sort of genocide? I mean, something like this that's is this large scale? I mean, because we're talking about potentially millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of deaths. If you're looking at the amount of people that have gotten this this vaccine, they pin it on one person, could it be at that level?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, listen, there's two answers to that question. One is, will they try? And two is, can they do it? Now, can they do it? I don't know.
• 49:16
  Will they try? Well, sure they would. I mean, Do you really think that there's anything that's beneath these people at this point? I mean, you know, let's just stop at Russiagate in the twenty twenty election. Okay.
• 49:31
  Doesn't that demonstrate that there's not a whole lot of moral fiber on the other side? Do we really think that the other side won't try and pin this all on the Donald? Of course they will. Of course they will. And it doesn't matter how wild their accusations are.
• 49:45
  They cannot have a Donald Trump presidency again. It will destroy their plans. And at this point, The Donald's aware of the swamp. Now, he may not be totally aware, and he may not be aware of all the aspects of it, but he knows that he got absolutely hosed by a bunch of crooks. And if he gets back in, there's going to be hell to pay on that, and there should be.
• 50:09
  And we, the people should be very excited to have that happen. But what? We think that the people who are behind this, the most dangerous animals are cornered animals. If Donald Trump was to get back in, what they're going to do is they're going to be cornered animals. There will be no holds barred between now and 2024 to make sure that Donald Trump is not president again, Because if he's in, all of the people that conspired against him are going to get caught.
• 50:43
  He's going to hold him accountable. So, you know, the reality is that whether the Donald wanted this fight or not, he's got it. And sometimes when you pick a fight, you better be ready to play to win, which he always has been. I mean, the guy is I don't care what you think about him, no one can say he's not a fighter. But it's time to fight.
• 51:11
  One of the things that's a disaster, doesn't matter how good of a fighter you are, if you got someone coming up behind you and you don't realize it, you get that sucker punch, you're in trouble. So he needs to turn around. We're trying to get him to turn around and see the big sucker punch coming, and I'm praying he gets it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I have one we're we're nearing the end of our time. I have one final question that I just wanna hear your thoughts on because there are a lot of people that have this idea that Trump actually knew that the vaccine was a bioweapon, but that he had to rule out the vaccine and push it out knowing that it was gonna kill a lot of people because he was protecting us from perpetual lockdowns. And that there's this idea that that Trump still is almost untouchable. Right? That he's he's playing five d chess, and he's already three steps ahead, and that this isn't gonna touch him.
• 52:08
  And that it was all part of this master plan anyway. And I know that even in your Substack article, you kinda start with that by saying, look. I know that some of you are gonna say this is four d chess. And like, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to speak that right now. But I'm, you know, so what are your thoughts on that?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So listen, the people that think that are people who have not actually been mean, like I said, I'm no Donald Trump. I'm not at his level, but I've been fighting a pretty big fight with some pretty bad guys and done pretty well for a nobody. I'm proud of what I've done literally as a nobody from Ohio. I'm proud that I've stood.
• 52:51
  I stood against some ugly stuff. When you're doing this stuff, you got to understand. So I've got, and I am, I mean, I'm a thinker on this stuff. We've got plan on plan on plan on plan. There is a certain amount of all of this that's done by the seat of your pants.
• 53:12
  Some of this is always, how fast can I react? How quick am I on my feet? The Donald is a brilliant guy. He has beat opponents all over in all sorts of fields and all sorts of aspects of the world. I'm sorry, but the people who want to assign superhero status to him, he's a superhero in the sense that he stood and that he's had the courage to do right, but he's human.
• 53:44
  I'm not wearing a cape, he's not wearing a cape, we all bleed red. I can't say it enough. I'm sorry, but this is every single person I know, and I got a lot of connections at this point, and unless there is some secret plan that I haven't been able to discover, and I sincerely doubt that. That's nonsense. Trump got lied to.
• 54:14
  He's human. He got lied to repeatedly. And honestly, my question would be, do you really want to believe that this guy who you assign superhero status to would use his superpowers to let millions of people die? That's absurd. Trump is not genocidal.
• 54:34
  Okay? Trump is a good guy who wants to protect people and protect America. Everything he's done has been God family country America. Do you really think that he's going to say, Yeah, let's go sacrifice millions of people around the world because of some devious 5D chest plan? If he is, then he's no better than the other side.
• 54:54
  I mean, listen, I'm going tell you, when this started, probably, oh, I don't know, six months in when they were talking about creating the vaccine, it wasn't there, but after the lockdowns, they're working on it. I was on a meeting, and I'm not going to say who it was with, but it was with some very, very high profile people in the health freedom movement and outside of it. And one of the people on that meeting said, I was talking about, We've got to stop this because we've got to save these lives, this and and other. And in talking about the vaccine, one of them said, You know what? Until millions of people die from it, no one's going to do anything, so so what?
• 55:39
  I lost my crap on that person. I was furious. That's garbage. What if that's my family? What if that's your family?
• 55:46
  What if that's a loved one? Who the hell are you to decide that we should just do nothing? If we have the ability to save one life, we have a duty to do it. And I'm going to tell you, if I ever believed that Donald Trump or anybody else stood aside and let millions of people die because of some political gamble, I'd be done with support. I'd be done with support.
• 56:07
  I have no evidence that that's true. And if I did have evidence that was true, I'd become one of the most outspoken critics on the planet, because you do not let people die. Evil begets evil. It does not beget good. We cannot use evil to create good.
• 56:23
  The Donald didn't let people die because of some devious plan. People died because people lied to the Donald, and the Donald didn't know that he was getting manipulated and used in this. That's what happened. Okay? There is no 5D chess plan to lie.
• 56:39
  Well, let's let a whole bunch of people die all over the planet. That's ridiculous. And if you believe that and you still support the Donald, you might as well vote for Joe Biden because you're telling me that letting millions of innocent people die is worth it. And I'm sorry, in my faith and in my universe, that is not an acceptable thing. I understand triage.
• 57:04
  Okay? And I'm going to tell you, Seth, when this is over, twenty years from now, when I look back on this time and I look back victorious over this field of battle, because we will win, I want you to know I'm going to have serious scars, serious scars that will never go away. I had to make decisions where someone called me and begged me to try and save the life of their loved ones. And I couldn't because I had too many others that I was trying to save, and I just couldn't make them more time. I've got pictures of dead people or people's loved ones that I've looked at over and over again, that I couldn't save because I couldn't make the hours in my day to do it.
• 57:51
  I can't tell you how many times four in the morning rolled around, and I was still fighting this damn fight. And I couldn't even keep my eyes open. I'm like, but this guy's dying. I got to find a way. Seth, I've been through hell and back trying to save every life that I knew how to save.
• 58:08
  And I had a moral and ethical obligation to do it. And you're going to tell me that you're going to support a guy that you think was playing 5D chess with the lives of millions? Bullshit. I'm sorry to swear, but that's garbage. I've been through hell and back on this fight.
• 58:25
  I'm honored to have had the opportunity to stand for God and for life and will continue doing that. I don't believe for a second, or a second that the Donald or anyone around him that was actually for America stood by and watched millions of people die because of some political ploy. If they did, I'm gonna tell you that I will be out. If I ever find out that that was true about anybody, I will be out after them for the rest of my life, because those people belong below jail. I have to look at those pictures.
• 58:58
  Those pictures will never leave my heart. And I'm sorry to every family member who I couldn't help. I'm sorry to every family member of every person who got this jab that I wasn't capable of finding a way to stop faster. All I can say is before God and before everybody else, for any sins that I've made and for all the mistakes I've made in my life, I did my very best to save as many people as I could on this. But don't ask me to consider that someone did this because they were creative.
• 59:34
  For the people who've never had to look someone in the eye while they're dying or tell someone's mother on the phone, I'm sorry, I can't help your dying son. Don't act glib about life. Don't act like, well, you know, it's just a decision. That's garbage. That's because you haven't had to stand on the field of battle.
• 59:59
  So I don't mean to be so fired up, that particular, I guess, line of questions, things like that, I was trying to be polite because I understand and I'm grateful. And I mean this from the bottom of my heart. I'm grateful that so few people have ever had to experience that. I don't want anybody to ever have to experience that. I don't want anybody to have to have the scars that I'm gonna have.
• 1:00:28
  But you ask me, was Donald Trump being creative and smart and letting millions of people die for some political garbage? If he did, he's a monster, and I couldn't support him, but I don't think that for a second. I think that Donald got lied to, and I don't think that he had any idea that human suffering that was gonna result from the lies that were told to him. And I understand that you may be saying to yourself, it's the Donald. How has he not heard this?
• 1:00:59
  How is he? Well, you know what? If he did hear, would be the end of my The second, and I will promise this before God, the second I ever find or have any reason to believe that anyone was willing to sacrifice the lies that they did on this, I'm not only done with support, I will be an avowed enemy for the rest of my life to that person. I don't believe that. The Donald is a good man who stood for our country.
• 1:01:28
  He got lied to, he got manipulated, and he's human. And you guys got to understand something. We're all human. We all make mistakes, especially me. The Donald's no different.
• 1:01:44
  In this case, he was lied and manipulated.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Tom, for sharing that, actually. I I think that this is it's something that that has really bothered me a lot too, where I see people that are saying, this is a war, and there's gonna be casualties. And and and they make it seems so easy from the keyboard to just write this off and say that, hey, it was for the greater good. But to me, that reminds me of Mao saying that, you know, one death is a tragedy, a million is statistic. And it's really no different than every superhero villain that we've seen where they say, well, it's actually for the better of mankind for us to kill off half the population.
• 1:02:25
  It's no different than that.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Hitler was killing the Jews for the greater good. Should we be okay with that? That's garbage. The people who say that, yeah, you can say that, you can act all tough behind your keyboard. But it's like and I know a lot of people will disagree with me about this and it's a totally separate issue, but I'm not for the death penalty.
• 1:02:50
  Why? Well, because I wouldn't want to pull that trigger. I wouldn't want to push that button. Now, if you're a family member who's lost someone, something like that, and you want to do it, well, I suppose that's between you and them and God. But I'm going to tell you that for my part, I can't create life.
• 1:03:11
  And as mad as I am at these people who have killed millions, I'll never go death penalty. If that's where it goes, that's fine. I suppose if anybody's ever deserved it, it's these people. But I'm not a death penalty guy because I've I've had to watch too many people die. I I had an opportunity to be a fireman when I was a younger man.
• 1:03:37
  I've had to you know, I've watched people die. I don't control that. I can't bring them back. If it was a mistake, I can't fix it. I can't make their kid feel better.
• 1:03:50
  I can't make their mom, their dad, their brother, their sister feel better. So, you know, when it comes to when it comes to life and death issues, out of respect for God and my role in this universe, I believe that that gets left to him. And I that I understand I'm not mad at the people who are talking about the 5V chest and all that. I just think that it's really a real serious misunderstanding. It's a lack of scope, it's a lack of capacity.
• 1:04:28
  It stems from you never having to had to look at it. Because once you've looked at it, if you're still there, there's something wrong with you.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think that fundamentally, if we get to the other side of this, yet in the process, we've lost our humanity, we've lost our compassion for others, then are we even deserving of freedom of our God given freedoms? So Tom, do you wanna whenever I listen to you talk, you're always a very hopeful person, and you seem very confident that we are gonna win this. So how about let's just, you know, let's end today's show with just a real message of hope for where we're going with this, because whenever I hear you, I walk away believing, you know what? We are going to win this.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well, we are, right? God's got our back. It's interesting. So I keep making mistakes, right? Like personally, I sin, I get mad, I do this, I do that, do all these things that you shouldn't do.
• 1:05:29
  God keeps carrying me, and He does. I'm telling you, it's crazy. If you're sitting in my seat and you don't see God's hand, you aren't looking. So all glory to Him. We won this before it started because He preordained it, but we had to do the work to get there and we still got a lot more to do.
• 1:05:47
  We're winning. When I started in this fight, I remember having a great conversation with a dear friend of mine who at the time I didn't know that well, but they're saying, you know, listen, Fauchi, you'll never see the day he leaves government. Because I was like, Well, we're gonna get rid of him. They're like, You'll never see that day. So, Okay, well, you watch.
• 1:06:10
  I said, I'm too stupid to stop, so we're gonna keep going. Well, I was also told that I was gonna get ate up and spit out, and I'm a nobody and this, that, and other. I've been ate up and spit out quite a few times, but guess what? Fast forward three years, I'm still standing, Fauci's leaving government, and we're seeing the walls crumble on this. We are winning.
• 1:06:34
  We won this fight when we were able to get enough people to have enough courage to stand to demonstrate how deadly these are because the fraud was always going to be exposed then. The tragedy is how many we're going to lose on the way, but we're going to win the fight. And God willing, we'll learn from it and freedom will endure and we'll reset our knowledge and, you know, we'll have a new reminder that the price of freedom is always eternal vigilance. And so we're winning this. We're going to win this.
• 1:07:10
  We the people will win this. I am 100% of the belief Donald is a great man. He really is. I believe that. I don't know him personally, but I'm of the opinion that he is.
• 1:07:24
  I believe he's going to come around, I believe he's going to get where he needs to be on this. I pray. But in any event, has always been the people. The Donald's the leader, but we the people are mega. We will make America great again.
• 1:07:40
  We will succeed. We're going to get there. We're winning. We're gonna keep winning. And, you know, at the end of the day, I couldn't be more proud of the role that I've played in this.
• 1:07:56
  It's not me that's won this, but I've had a part in it. And I'm so proud that I had the courage to stand because it's been hell. And I say that not because I want to pat myself on the back, but because I want the rest of you watching this to understand if you're willing to stand, if you've got the courage to take a stand and to just plant your flag and stand behind it, regardless of what comes, you can make a difference. You don't have to be a big shot. You can be a nobody like me.
• 1:08:30
  You can do it. You just got to have the courage to do it. And you know, once you prove yourself before God and man, you're willing to stand on principle, people will follow, they will be inspired, they will do what they got to do. And there is no greater feeling in this world than knowing that you actually were able to help your betters get this done. And that's where I'm at at this point.
• 1:08:58
  I'm seeing a lot of my betters who've now stepped up, who've done these things and we're getting it done. And man, it feels good. So we're winning. They're turning on each other. The walls are coming down.
• 1:09:15
  There's a lot to do. There's a lot to do. We haven't won, but we're winning. We stand together. We will continue winning, and God will continue having our back.
• 1:09:26
  That's all we got to do.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Mean, three years ago, you and I were just two average guys in America, you know, in Ohio, and we still are. But the only difference is that we just we we put ourselves out there and chose to stand up and fight, and everyone in America can do the same exact thing. So, Tom, I just wanna thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today. I think this is a very important video, and I really wanna encourage all of you that are watching.
• 1:09:57
  If you got to this point in the video, please share this with five people, with one person, with 10 people, with 1,000 people. Because hopefully-
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Please share it with Donald Trump on true social.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Post it
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: a million times on true social and put the real Donald Trump on there. He can't see this enough. We support him. We want his success. They're trying to hose the guy.
• 1:10:23
  We'll stand behind him, but we got to get him to know that there's a sucker punch coming from behind and you got to stand.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Tom, where can people follow your work and where can people support you if they want to contribute to the work that you're doing?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Remslaw.com. You can find a link to my Substack. If you pay to subscribe, it's free. But if you pay to subscribe, anything I make goes to the fight. You can find a link to my Truth social.
• 1:10:52
  I'm on Getter. I'm on CloutHub Tom Renz on Getter and Truth and at RenzLaw on CloutHub. And we have a give, send, go if you're inclined to do. And like I said, anything I get goes to the fight. And the bottom line is that whatever you do to help me, I use for the fight.
• 1:11:15
  And if you can help me share the word, Truth Social and Substack are huge. If I can continue to grow those, I can continue to get truth out. There's a ton of stuff that people need to know. We keep producing, we keep finding new things, and we got to keep sharing it, and we got to keep pushing this conversation where it needs to go. So please help me build that platform, but before you do anything else, before you send me a dime, before you subscribe to my Substack, before you follow me on truth, please, if you're inclined to do so, send us a prayer.
• 1:11:50
  We have had a tremendous amount of success. If you're not a God person, I hope you find him. But I will tell you that whether you're a God person or not, I am. And I'm of the belief that my successes came from there. So if you're inclined to do so, I ask that you pray for us.
• 1:12:09
  You pray for our wisdom, our discernment, and pray for our fight.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Great. So I'll make sure that all of your links are in the description of the video so people can follow you, visit your website, etcetera. So Tom, thanks again for coming on. And this is somehow this is the first time you've been on the Man in America show even though we live, you know, within 100 miles or so of each other. So hopefully, can become a regular guest, because I think that you have a very important message and everything.
• 1:12:39
  And I thank you again, you know, obviously for coming on the show and spending this time with us today. But also, I thank you so much more for what you're doing. And I will help you in any way that I can to get the information that you need to get out to people out to as many people as possible.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Seth, thank you for all that you do. It's left to people who aren't the big shots to fight this. And a lot of people I'll go on and when I describe myself as a nobody from Ohio, a lot of times people will try and correct me and say, Well, what you've done? The most important thing that I can be is a nobody from Ohio. There is no more important thing.
• 1:13:25
  And the reason for that is that if people don't understand that you can be a nobody and still do something, then they won't try. If I can inspire one person to take a stand, then I've been successful. You don't have to be important. We all bleed red. I don't care what color, what race, what creed, religion, sex, gender, whatever.
• 1:13:47
  I don't care who you are, what you do. We all bleed red. And it's the decisions we make. It is the content of our character that will define and determine who we are. Martin Luther King was a brilliant hero.
• 1:14:00
  He said, Content of character over the color of the skin. Well, I could never hope to be half of him. What I would do is I would suggest that it's not just content over character over color of skin, but content of character over everything. Who you are defines you. You don't have to be a big person.
• 1:14:21
  You don't have to be a big shot. You have to have the courage to stand. And I pray that anybody watching this understands that, and they do just that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: What a great message to end with. So Tom, thank you very, very much. Have a wonderful day, and we'll have to have you back on soon.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks.