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Barely Live #54 - Gettin' Gritty - 5:17:23 · Barely Live

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  Hard Wired from the Refinery. It's sixteen thirty Meeting Street in Charleston, USA.
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  Barely Live back page edition with your sexy ass hosts Paul Puckett and Mike
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  Benson and Doug I Love bud Wiser. Hell really, Paul, Yes,
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  sorry, over all right, we're back. I loved and chow y'allmost be
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  drinking. It's my birthday. I'm just gonna live all the I love Georgia.
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  I wanted organ I'm about words fan. That was perfect, I thought.
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  Paul hit the button, sounded like, you're all right, Well we
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  did, Yeah, we did. You know I'm gonna highlight local musician.
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  Yeah, well, you're not gonna start with what's the what's the ship?
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  Was all black crow Like played today while I was getting every day ready.
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  Yeah, we're gonna start with background twos here, we'll get that background vibe
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  going here. It is the background music. Everybody fly that that one guy
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  on turned around though you stay to come around to coming to like it.
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  I'm I'm actually coming around to like it. Yeah, it's a big part
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  of our thing. You know, you can't really imagine that. I'm well,
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  I think it's just me and the microphone just reflects what's happening on this
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  end of it. I project. I use my die friend Paul. Don't
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  you speak up. No, you're good West, We're gonna turn you down.
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  Should be about right here that I like that. Well you look at
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  well, of course it's kid. He's got the big fancy mike. You
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  don't even have to do anywhere. Well, I don't even have an off
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  talent. He's the town less gritty everyone wants a little there there it is.
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  Yeah, you got gritty fly right in the studio. We'll get more
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  to that. We're gonna do typically, you know, like first first session.
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  Uh just bull bull honking and uh that's just music in the background.
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  So just just dive into that. Yeah, let's just take a minute.
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  He wants to turn it up a little bit. Let's really see him.
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  No, that's George straight. Give me some John, give John Anderson vibes.
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  I'll take it. I know, I I take John. I'll dive
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  obviously into this stuff later. But that's greedy fly Ride, a local musician
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  friend of ours. Here. We're happy to have you here. Yeah,
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  we're serious. Oh and we just happened to have our frigate rum that we're
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  sponsored by. Now, yeah, but it's got a RUM sponsor. Now,
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  well, I mean, to be fair, Paul drew a bird one
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  time, and now he's got a lottome surprise. Um. It just we're
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  gonna pretend like it has something to do with our show, but it's paying
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  dividends right now for them and us. Yeah, thank you for drawing.
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  Yeah yeah, and I'm sorry to frigate, but you're about to blow up.
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  Oh yeah about demand, Yeah, because I mean, out of the
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  fishing podcast that have rum sponsors, ours is the best. Yes, there
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  is another one out there. Funny enough, I have a bottle of it
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  over there. We're number two. No, we're number one in this case
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  because I run hands down. Our rum is really that's twenty one years age.
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  It's very it really is good. It's delicious. Well, I mean
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  it's hard not to go straight into you know, skinny mic coming straight from
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  the key and his beautiful sea foam. He's boat West. Basically he's been
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  building or rebuilding or refurbishing or furbishing a boat for three years and finally put
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  it in the water about a week and a half ago. We can go.
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  It came down to the wire. I was working on it till the
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  day that I hooked it up and took it to the keys. But that's
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  unbelieved. Some old guys stopped me in traffic and h key largo. I
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  loved it down, and he's like, I thought, you know it Florida.
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  You know, people yell at you all the time for for another reason.
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  And so I was here, like look over and his old gun.
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  You're like, what did I do? Now? I roll went and down.
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  He's like what year? And I was like ninety five. He's like,
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  be beautiful and I was like that is I was like, that's cool,
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  it amazing. Have any problems? Uh No. I took her out
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  front side every day. The last day it was blowing sustained twenty and I
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  beat snot out of her a little bit, just to see if I can
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  check something loose. Yeah. I didn't manage to shake anything loose. Put
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  some scratches on her and put a tarpet against the side of her, and
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  there you go. Yeah, she got she got blooded, proper lock blooded.
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  Yeah, it's good. We'll say. There's a picture on Instagram that
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  I looked at and the way the water is reflecting off the boat and this
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  it's just like harmony of sea foam going on. Here we go art.
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  I did this whole thing where I go artists. What the fun was.
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  Oh that's that's awesome. Yeah, that's a really cool thing. Look,
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  I got a lot of comments. People out in the water and stuff and
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  like always like, man, you can see you from like a mile away,
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  like you know they're going back. I'm like, I guess I can't
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  be an asshole in the water anymore because everybody's gonna know who I am here
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  the way the brown water reflects, it's not gonna be the same. Yeah,
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  she's not gonna be as pretty, but I gotta st Yeah, I
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  kind of want. I got a whole bunch of pictures. I didn't only
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  post a couple of them on the what's her name? I hadn't done that
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  yet. I'm a big name, my boat guy, don't be wrong,
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  Like I love big I was talking about I love I love naming boats.
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  But but the problem is, you gotta like gotta let the boat kind of
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  find its name a little bit an extension of the sea. Yeah, going
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  down. So we got the artist. Now, we got the artist.
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  Man, Yeah, we got two artists in me and heah, yeah,
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  that's yeah, and I mean, yeah, she's beautiful. I got a
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  lot of work to do. Um still cosmetic stuff like the boat is going.
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  It's fishable, obviously it's fishing, but now on it's just like a
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  little touches here and there. Another another gasting or polling platform. Yeah,
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  so I gotta redo the polling platform. The one I got on there's like
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  a rough mock up, like it's functional, it's just not very pretty.
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  Like we've custom built it and then had to move things and change things.
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  You had to cut and grind and so it's not clean and pretty. So
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  the guy that built it was like, look, fish this one until I
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  can build you another one, and then we'll put a nice, pretty clean
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  one on there and I'll take the old one off of you. And then
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  my casting platform I need to redo. It's my design, which tells you
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  that I gotta redo it. But like I wanted it this way, but
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  then I fished it and it just sitting right, So I need to change
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  it a little bit, move the legs to different positions, and you know
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  shit, you learned by fishing on it, and some will rebuild that and
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  then the rest I got a few cosmic things, like buddy mind and George
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  is building me customs. So the old undergunna rod holders amounts or black plastic
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  and you can't paint that plastic. I want nothing to hold to it,
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  and I couldn't find any white ones to replace it, and I didn't like
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  the black, so I called my buddy up in Georgia. He's a make
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  or woodworker. He makes tables and stuff like that, old growth wood and
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  pretty shit. So he's found some thick slabs of pretty wood and he's customed
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  making me. So I have lacquer holders up underneath the side and he's making
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  those for me. So those will be here shortly. And then just little
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  stuff see deck up under the gunnals because the old ones had carpet and I'm
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  not putting carpets. Did you consider just like velcrow for the little velcrow tabs?
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  Yeah, just those little scotch stick Yeah, a little hooks, a
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  little door hooks. I considered a lot of things. Uh, that's not
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  one of them, but that sounds awesome. Yeah. But it's been good
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  man. We had a we had a good time. So what was the
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  last thing you were working on before you finally hit the gas pedal and the
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  left like shit, I don't even know, uh, I guess it was
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  probably finishing. I had picked her up, I'd got the platform mounted.
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  I had to put the rod it's I only had one set of my rod
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  holders, the old ones, because one set is in Georgia getting mocked up
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  for the replacements. So I had to install the one set on the one
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  side. But I got four rod holders on each side of the gunnals so
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  I could still stash four rods under the gunnal. Um and we're targat fish.
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  I only need like two or three twelve wits in there, and what
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  a big deal. Yeah, um, so I'd slap those in there.
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  Had to install my rear an av light, wire that up and get it
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  going. Um. Get mine hadn't work in two years. You don't have
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  to worry about this thing. Yeah. Well, I got all that reg
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  ahead matter go through the trailers, spare tires, get new tires on the
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  trailer, mounting my fenders. Um, yeah it didn't have us. Oh
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  yeah, it was a brand new trailer, like I knew Axel old dog
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  Weldon. I'm gonna give a shout out to that guy. Over there.
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  He hook me up, put a brand new axel, brand new springs,
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  brand new hubs. Um did all add to put new fenders on it because
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  I'd changed everything. Um, how many miles is that? What do you
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  mean? Seven hundred and some change? You know? But I, uh
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  yeah, And I had never taken that trailer any further than across town,
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  you know, So that was fun. The biggest problem ran into is I
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  changed the way the rear seats. So the old seats used to have like
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  a channel on the front of the rear uh like whale gunnel. Well,
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  it was a channel for the seat to slide into and then the seat flipped
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  up and down so you can get in to your hatches. That's the old
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  way they did it back in the nineties. I don't like that, so
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  I had my dad's an old pulser, So I cut some seatboards out of
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  PBC board. How my dad build me some nice new cushions and then threw
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  bolts of them to my hatch tops with an overlap so that came forward.
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  So then there was fixed so when you open the hatch, seat comes with
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  them. It's all fine, It's all great. Downside, even though I
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  put I took the old one eighty hinges off and put friction hinges, which
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  are take a little pressure to open and take pressure to close. The air
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  force resistance against those seats will lift that hatch. Oh really, I never
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  would have thought, and I know I wasn't either, especially not against the
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  pressure of a friction hinge. But so I the long term, permanent fix
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  would be to install latches on those hatches. That rhymes, but I'd have
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  to that requires that hatches, but it requires like a lot of work,
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  and I don't want to do that right now. So I had to run
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  a belly strap over top of my skats to keep the things down. But
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  again, that that sounds straightforward, except for the wind resists on the belly
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  strap will slide it back and it'll still open. So it opened four times
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  on the wait. That could be another song latches on my hatches, But
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  that's almost as good as different genre. I think, baby, you made
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  my piece tat asparagus chronicles asparagus blues, like it would be the blues that
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  maybe that's so. Yeah. I had a few stretches for that, and
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  then hell, we blew a tire on Tucker's truck for we even got to
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  Beaufort, so three am on the side of the road and Beaufort getting mauled
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  by nats. I was changing the tire to start the room now. But
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  once I got the strap position figured out and we got the tires not to
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  blow up on Tucker's truck, it only took fourteen hours to get there.
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  They were doing work in the Keys, and I spent two hours on a
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  one between Upper between Upper Mattaicum Bay and Conkey, which is just south of
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  Long Key, which should be ten minutes in the car fifteen. It took
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  two hours because they had to shut down one side of the road. And
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  they're doing at night right now. It was middle of the day. This
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  was two pm. I should have been rolling into I didn't travel at night.
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  Well, I started at one am. I should have been in down
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  there by like ten eleven together. Yeah, but I should have been down
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  there a little round before noon. I didn't roll into town until three in
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  the afternoon or something like that. It's a lot of gas station coffee.
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  I mean, is that Bucky's coffee? Yeah? No, I don't know
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  if there's a Bucky's on the way down there. One at some point there
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  is down to Florida, right, Georgia there is, Yeah, I think
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  Georgia might have one of the newest. And then Saint Augustine there's right up
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  one. I did not hit a BUCkies any I will tell you I've been
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  vocal about it. I've let people know this. Those things, those places
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  freaked me out. What they weird me out? Are you afraid of squirrels?
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  No, I'm afraid of the people in there. People am It's It's
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  got a lot of flavor. It does the best. A lot of people
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  who voted for Trump in there. Well, there's some people don't even know
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  voting is in there as well. They don't discriminate. I kind of like
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  it. I fact, and that's barbecue sandwich you can never get. I'm
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  like, that's definitely not true. Hey, they're excited about it. Good
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  for them. All they have to say is proved it? Well, I
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  will say. I will say, there's a whole aisle just for some flour
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  seeds, and I can buy I can buy into that place. It is
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  incredible. I love it. Yeah, man, Yeah, I hate that
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  drive though. I mean yeah, it's just it's it's a weird drive and
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  it's not as bad as. I mean, it's a ten and a half
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  hours from Tolamarado. Basically was supposed to be done and a half. But
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  then you're not. You're gonna stop, You're gonna do things. It takes
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  ten to ten and a half on average for me. And on the way
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  home we can rolled clean as We made good time. But you didn't roll
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  dirty. Didn't roll dirty, but I did got I got an Instagram message
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  once again. I got home, some dude was text me on Instagram cyclist
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  cowboy. If you're listening out there. I don't know who that is,
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  that's what it says, ig handle on know this guy? But he uh,
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  he text me, goes weird, where are you going? Ninety five
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  north on floor Georgia Line? Somewhere? Saw you that stole your engine?
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  Might have been like? He was like, it's like, uh around two
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  pm on Saturday, and I was like, yeah, that'd be me because
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  because I was headed south to hom Assassa. He's like, saw you goes
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  boat look good even across the highway at eighty miles an hour. He spotted
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  you. Yeah, spotted me at the Florida Georgia Line. I mean,
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  there's not a whole lot of nineteen five hughes out there looking brand new.
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  Yeah, I mean no, there's not. But I think your boat name
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  is coming around. It's something about how it just catches the eye. I
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  mean yeah, yeah, I mean it's I don't know, I'm mistaken there.
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  Yeah, you know something. Yeah. Actually he's gonna have it done.
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  Yeah, Like I said, I and that was the first trip,
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  like fishing the boat. So every boat's got a personality, every boat's got
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  kind of fuel to him. So I didn't like, I didn't want to
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  name it just because I did, you know, I just like, I
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  gotta wait and fish it a little bit. I think it needs to be
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  a party girl, party snorter. Are you the snorter today? I go,
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  I just did start. That's the second one, or is it you?
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  No, it wasn't. Boy. We got somebody coming through. We
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  got BOYD coming through the window, getting through the window. Excuse me,
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  yeah, wist gott step away. We're literally so boy, you get here
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  late. You climbed through the window. That's what happens. We're gonna tell
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  them the door is broken. You have to come through the window. Just
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  for theatrics. I'm man, I hope that. Yeah, you have to
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  do it, boyd. That's what happens when you're late. Yeah, let's
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  get the fiddle through there first. We're gonna put this on the old barely
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  live video later I do. That is not stable. It's like anything else
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  in this room area is yeah, beautiful, all right, let missing accomplished.
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  It made it, well done, well done? Oh lord? Well
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  yeah so we uh we made it back. But anyway, Yeah, so
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  fishing, let's just so boid hey buddy, so uh, we're just kind
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  of laying it down here. There's some beers and rum. He'll get you
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  through all that and feel free to cycle in if you hear something you want
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  to remark about. But either way, we'll catch up when we take a
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  little break. So fishing all we're all, yeah, let's just find out
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  how the fishing is down. Yeah. So yeah, the drive down,
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  the weather, I would say this weather was all right. We had the
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  first day we was there blue a bit um. I was only got like
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  a half day Monday because, like I said, it takes fourteen hours to
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  get down there, and then rode around. Didn't really do much Monday Tuesday
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  we got out. We fished used d we fished the front side pretty much
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  the whole time. And I will say so if you've very fished front side
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  tarpin, you know jone speaking may, you're gonna see a million m but
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  they usually signore you and yeah, these fish were chewy, they were very,
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  very happy. They were I think we according to people who know more
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  than me, they were behaving post spawnish, so they think we were catching
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  them as they were coming back in after maybe running out making a spawn run.
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  But yeah, so, I mean basically we had a lot of fish
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  um coming down the line, and I think it's a combination where the fish
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  were in a good mood and we also this is like you know, we've
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  done a lot of years of this. We're like not tooting horns, but
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  we're getting better at knowing how to feed these fish and how to put a
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  fly in there and how to what they're gonna want. But the combination of
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  things, the fish seemed happier. So we were getting constant leans and eats
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  and missing fish and breaking Tigert broke. I guess it was Wednesday morning,
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  Tucker put one aside the boat. Not a big fish by any stretch.
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  Um. I missed three or four eats. I was getting eating pretty regular,
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  a lot of fish, just leaning following it all the way halfway to
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  the boat and then peeling. All. Yeah, it was like that,
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  but it's hey, anytime you're getting that much reaction out of strings of tarpain,
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  was it's a good sign. Yeah. So we sat out front pretty
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  much the whole time. We did make some runs into the back, didn't
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  really find much in the back. Um, how are the locals out there?
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  Was it packed? Oh yeah, it was busy, so that where
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  we were sitting and is you know, we were on a pretty famous spot.
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  But the spot in front of us is really famous and like guys get
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  there in the dark kind of famous. But I mean at one point out
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  from where I was sitting, I could count within my eyeshot thirteen boats along
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  the line, you know, below me and above me. But no,
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  no, and once again we were we we got to where we were a
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  fish and we staked out and we just sat there all day. So it
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  wasn't we weren't maneuvering into anybody, you know, and we pretty much because
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  there were three of us, or we had four boats at one point,
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  but three for most of the week. Um, we just we all lined
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  up on top of each other, and we just owned a two miles stretch
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  of back. So everybody in front of me and behind me was my guys.
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  So it didn't shifts and you got to move a little bit. It
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  didn't matter if I crowded one way or the other. I wasn't gonna catch
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  any flack. And you'd see all the guys and stuff, because I said
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  where we sat was a pretty popular it's a known spot, and so you'd
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  see guys coming over there like some bitch and just get going. Because we
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  had set up in a position to where like we would have been a little
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  tight should if we were people we didn't know, but it definitely left no
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  room for like all, you ain't squeezing in anywhere on that stretch. And
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  because that's what happens when you get into arguments, somebody tries to arch score
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  your journe right here. You're not, you know, and it's like listen,
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  asshole, like you know. So we didn't. We didn't have to
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  do with that. Um, there's there's quite a hierarchy down in the keys.
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  So this tarpe thing these guys, it reminds me of shrimping in the
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  harbor. Probably Si, everyone has their spots. There's a lot of like
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  unspoken only these guys. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, and
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  I get We talked about this my buddy Rob, which we talked to the
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  remos on the show before. Yeah, they got to hang out with us
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  a lot this week, which was cool. But we talked about it,
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  and you know, I don't agree with any of that shit. I don't
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  agree with the you know, intellectual property they like to think of as their
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  spots. I don't agree with the attitude to have about it. However,
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  I have to acknowledge I'm a visitor, so I don't get a vote in
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  it, and I don't get to dictate how they run their show in their
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  turf. I just honestly try not to rock the boat while I'm there.
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  I try to find ways to be courteous and get myself into a fishing position.
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  And you know, I'm trying to I'm on vacation. I'm trying to
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  anybody on my vacation. I think it's a whole other segment, obviously,
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  but I've definitely come around on some of the aspects of some things out in
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  the water are intellectual property, because I definitely think so, Yeah, It's
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  one thing to be in a line, I think on a tarpan edge where
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  we know these tarpaner coming on this line. But places like the panhandle,
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  this random spot out there, that's what Moss saying. Yeah, that's not
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  it's just a different side. You can do a whole segment intellectual proper well.
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  And there's those spots existing up on the quayside too. They're like Rob
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  calls them a sneaky spots where it's just like a r a little spot that
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  like little turf, but it's only good at like and that thing. Rob,
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  he didn't really care about that either. It's like they can see me
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  sitting there. He goes, But those spots that I fish, they're good
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  for like one hour on the tide specifically, and he goes, mean nothing
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  there the rest of the day. Yeah, I told I used to be
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  with that in the shop all the time. They'd come in be like,
• 21:15
  hey, you show me a weird fish. I'm like, yeah, I
• 21:18
  could show you one hundred places to fish, but unless I tell you when
• 21:21
  to fish it, and what the tide should be doing and what the water
• 21:23
  clarity should look like and what you know. I was like, it's useless.
• 21:26
  I was like, you just have to fish a lot and then you
• 21:29
  can understand these spots. But well, the other thing about intellectual property argument
• 21:33
  is time. Like if you told Sandy Stirry you knew some really amazing spots
• 21:40
  around Bulls Bay and stuff like that, that your intellectual property. He probably
• 21:44
  laughs, Yeah, well that's that's I mean. Germs had to run in
• 21:45
  with a guy down in uh down in Folly last year, which having to
• 21:51
  run in with somebody here is super rare, Yeah it is. And it
• 21:53
  was on tailing grass and Germs was up on the flat pulling this one little
• 21:56
  pocket flat and some dude just come motor and up, jump up on his
• 22:00
  pull and like pulled right in on top of him on like that's not a
• 22:03
  big spot. And I think I think those moments you have to acknowledge this
• 22:07
  guy might not have any idea how this works, and as well you have
• 22:11
  to take him. Pulled up Germs and lived too, and Germs Luca very
• 22:14
  nice guys and either one of him or you know. So he pulled up
• 22:15
  to talk to the guy and the guy hit him with Robert Fisher here sixteen
• 22:21
  or something. He tried to pull the intellectual property thing on a tailing nat
• 22:26
  on somebody who's been fishing here for almost twenty years. Like I'm saying,
• 22:27
  it'd be like me rolling up on Sandy Stair. I've been fishing over twenty
• 22:30
  years out there in the grass. But if I pulled up on Sandy Start,
• 22:33
  I ain't seeing a piece of grass that he ain't already looked with it,
• 22:34
  you know, with his boat. So it's like, you don't they
• 22:37
  just don't pull that, And I wouldn't the games over when he does that
• 22:41
  attitude? Yea, yeah, yeah yeah, germs has to at least inquire.
• 22:44
  Hey do you know how this works? I'm happy to teach you.
• 22:48
  Yeah yeah. But when they bring out an attitude, then it's like,
• 22:49
  okay, man, well and I said Rob about the keys thing, I
• 22:52
  was like, look, man, if just gonna throw out a famous name,
• 22:56
  his old Rob, what's his face for us? Who's like for you?
• 23:00
  And bullying people out flats like I mean, honestly, if somebody come
• 23:03
  up and be like, hey, yeah, sure we're fishing it wrong,
• 23:04
  blah blah, I'm like, okay, hey, I'm happy to move around
• 23:07
  to what I gotta do make this right? But how about you tell me
• 23:11
  how to do it right. So next time I'm in here, if you're
• 23:12
  not here, mind you, I don't fuck it up for you or anybody
• 23:15
  else. How about you just tell me that, Like, yeah, can
• 23:18
  you give me that much? You can call me a dickhead, but teach
• 23:19
  me how to do it right. Charity and a whole lot of other impatience.
• 23:25
  I got Tucker in my boat. I ain't afraid to Rob for this,
• 23:26
  So let's send the yeddy over there to board. That'd be a fight,
• 23:30
  don't I've watched that one. I'll take him. Hey, Rob,
• 23:33
  if you're listening, Hey, hey Robin, if you're listening, I still
• 23:37
  want to do that mural in your backyard. I will talk about it in
• 23:38
  the parking lot. I mean at the Mall of America in Minneapolis. I
• 23:44
  think the thing is Like as much as I do have an ego down there,
• 23:47
  I don't because it's not my place. I think I would look.
• 23:49
  I'd take those offerday be like cool, Hey, I'm a dick, You're
• 23:52
  right. How can I not be a dick the next time? Like?
• 23:53
  What do I do too? Because I don't want to fuck up his day?
• 23:56
  And you know, or anybody else's that would be there. Hit one
• 23:59
  of those places that it always comes up. You know, this is one
• 24:03
  of the few years I didn't get like a middle finger that's good, or
• 24:06
  yelled at. I've had a lot of that, but usually I know for
• 24:08
  a fact I wasn't in the wrong. It's just people being I think you
• 24:11
  can just you can do everything right and still have the middle finger. I
• 24:15
  was going so the trash pile, which is a famous spot. I'm not
• 24:17
  giveing anything way, I was just rolling through there, and it's a highway,
• 24:18
  people rolling there all day along. No, you know, stop now,
• 24:22
  if you see people fishing on inside, you stay out wide of them.
• 24:26
  But realistically, the fisher just floating around there doesn't really matter if a
• 24:29
  boat goes through, They're just gonna shift and move. But there was a
• 24:30
  boat sitting out there's a sandbar on the outside of there's a boat staked out
• 24:33
  there, and there's some chicken a bikini standing up on the bow, and
• 24:36
  then a dude sitting down in the well tinker and a ship. Neither one
• 24:38
  of them had a rod in their hand, neither one of them up on
• 24:41
  a stick. They didn't look glare of fishing there's staked out the middle nowhere.
• 24:45
  So I come rolling through like in between them. I'm one hundred fifty
• 24:48
  yards to her. I guess starboard, yeah, and I'm shit a couple
• 24:52
  hundred yards from the bank and there's nobody fishing inside. So I just rolled
• 24:56
  and as we're rolling by, like I see her like, look, he's
• 24:59
  just looking looking, and then she like does she does the scarecrow, you
• 25:02
  know that what are you doing? What are you doing from the boat and
• 25:04
  I was like, I just wave like I was like, like, what
• 25:08
  the hell you mean what am I doing? Hold on, Mike, like
• 25:12
  you looking all skinny, wearing a small was so fat, going where are
• 25:18
  you going? I doubt it. Her guy, the guy the boat with
• 25:25
  him, just kind of he just got looked up and I was like,
• 25:26
  right now, like he didn't give me that, he didn't give me the
• 25:27
  hands. I was like, wait, why am I getting yelled at?
• 25:30
  She had seen other people do it, so she I gotta do it.
• 25:33
  Yeah. I was just like I like in this cause I was like,
• 25:34
  I don't know what you want from me right now, but like she wanted
• 25:38
  your digits, yeah, the keys. But yeah, so we fished all
• 25:44
  week. We had a good time. Costs the fish put if you're in
• 25:47
  the air, like I said, we had You know, it sounds silly
• 25:48
  to anybody who doesn't fish down there, but when you count leans and and
• 25:52
  eats and you know, like but the ship man's STARp and fishing. Yeah,
• 25:56
  we had a really good time. We had a lot of fun boat
• 25:59
  performing. If you ever been into the keys at all, I've never been
• 26:02
  in Florida Keys, and since we're on that subject, I've never been.
• 26:06
  I've never been fly fishing, never been tarpan fishing. This is uh to
• 26:12
  have this microphone in front of me as far I'm saying, real quiet,
• 26:15
  unless you want to talk about asparagus. Uh, Doug and I can go
• 26:19
  down that road. But this is all fascinating to me because it's all new
• 26:26
  things, and well, I know Boyd knows some of the fly fishing aspects,
• 26:29
  so there'll be plenty of things that had nothing to do. With a
• 26:32
  good team to lean on, He's like there he's having therapy right now.
• 26:34
  Well, actually I got a good piece, so you want to get in.
• 26:38
  It's just we're about to let's just I haven't had any asparagus. We're
• 26:45
  about three more minutes. We're about to end the whole so all right,
• 26:49
  so good tripod T, good trip, I'll set up. Looks amazing too,
• 26:53
  looks like well, and the guys so like that. We we stumbled
• 26:56
  into this. We stumbled into this place like last year, and I booked
• 27:00
  it. And the guy that owns his name is Barry and he's this down
• 27:03
  to earth Key's hippie. The house is an og nineteen fifties keys bungalow,
• 27:08
  pecky cypress walls like all the thing, and now he's at it all and
• 27:11
  there's like a mother in law suite and then there's an apartment under the mode
• 27:15
  law suite. Um, all of which we get acted like, we get
• 27:18
  the whole place. We get there. So we got three bathrooms plenty place
• 27:21
  where we sleep. The doc is three steps from the back door, so
• 27:25
  you got a porch, big old coconut palms everywhere. It's all little lagoon.
• 27:29
  So we can line our boats up in there and keep This is a
• 27:30
  little bit better than the chickie. It's a lot better than chickies. They've
• 27:33
  grown they've grown up, grown out of the chickies. Yeah, so now
• 27:37
  we've got we made friends with Barry. Barry comes over over and I bump
• 27:41
  smokes. We feed him, you know, and he's this guy like so
• 27:45
  like he weirded out of the first year. This year we hung out with
• 27:47
  him a lot. But he makes his own wine out of sea grapes,
• 27:51
  which I didn't know you can do. But he makes sea grape wine and
• 27:53
  then if the wine's no good, he'll distill it all the way down to
• 27:56
  make liquor out of it. And he makes a sea grape basically rum,
• 28:00
  and he told it he soaks it in some kind of wood. I don't
• 28:03
  know what kind of wood it was, but he stood it was it was
• 28:10
  good. You don't want to drink it because it seems sketchy alf But then
• 28:12
  he also makes his own hot sauce. He brought out some damn homemade Sauer
• 28:15
  kraut and shit, He's like, I got into ferment and shot a few
• 28:18
  years ago, and I just make all kinds of stuff rufy. Yeah,
• 28:22
  I know, I didn't wake up on any weird tingly buttholes. So it's
• 28:26
  all right, But this is Florida, so nobody's surprised. Yeah, but
• 28:30
  Barry's the nicest guy ever. So now we know Berry nicely, so like
• 28:33
  it's always good to invest the time to get to know those guys that you're
• 28:37
  staying at their place and get them too likes. So now he blocks out
• 28:40
  about three weeks a year, like we've already blocked our three weeks around the
• 28:42
  target, Micross. We can pick which week we want. We booked straight
• 28:45
  through Barris. I don't have to pay Airbnb or any fees or any of
• 28:48
  that crap. We just pay cash money to Barry. So we've got it
• 28:52
  lined ups. I'm hoping his lifestyle. I don't know how long Barrier lasts,
• 28:55
  but I'm hoping he hangs around for a few more. You're c grade
• 29:00
  one or just maybe in parentsses fermat and ship. I don't think so.
• 29:12
  I don't know what the I don't know what color sea graves are. It's
• 29:15
  not quite sea foam. What is a sea grape? Are they floating out
• 29:18
  there in the ocean? You just go close. I'm not it's one hundred
• 29:21
  percent like, I don't know. I would love to tell you I know
• 29:23
  all about sea grapes. I know shit all about it. I do know
• 29:26
  that like normal people don't make liquor out of them. This is a mermaid's
• 29:30
  vitamins a mermaid but they grow, they grow in the keys. I know
• 29:36
  that they are something local there, but I don't know shit about them.
• 29:40
  And it is dry but well dug as to piece. Let's face us out.
• 29:44
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  I thought that was Ryan Bingham. I was run DMC. Oh, it
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  was run DMC. Those sweatsuits, jesus oh, speaking by like that.
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  The new movie air Washing, It's so good. Chris Teker goes off on
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  a whole tear about the Adidas track suits. I got two of them,
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  don't you tell our balls? It was good. It was good. I
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  enjoyed it. Yeah, it's really good. Oh, Michael Jordan didn't play
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  much a part and that one did it? No, he didn't. I'm
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  fit the fake Michael Jordan. I mean, yeah, but that'd be tough,
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  like he's such an economy. Yeah, it distracts from it if they
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  did. Yeah, because it wasn't about him, It was about the deal.
• 33:23
  Was that such a cool movie? We should we introduce the boys here?
• 33:28
  We should? Well, well, we already introduced the Wes. We
• 33:31
  got Wes and we got Boyd Boyd Richardson. Yeah, fiddle fiddleman used to
• 33:38
  be an orchestral violinist. Right, that's right, that's right, Chester rags
• 33:45
  here, My my nephew is learning to play the violin, and his teachers
• 33:52
  simultaneously teaching him how to play fiddle style and violin as well. Yeah,
• 33:59
  well he's a little it does we'll see if he actually sticks with it or
• 34:00
  just when I was like, you know, I want to hear how that's
• 34:04
  different. I know, like Charlie Daniels like, I mean, he's a
• 34:06
  fiddle player, but I mean that's a very accomplished got a man right there.
• 34:12
  Tell me all about that. So it's really just the style of play.
• 34:15
  I had people come up and say, oh, well is that a
• 34:17
  violin or a fiddle, and it's it's really just strictly a style of places.
• 34:21
  Uh, you know, whether it's it's about how you treat it,
• 34:23
  that's right, that's right. Um, you know what it's bluegrass or more
• 34:27
  of the you know, even the Celtics style that's more fiddle obviously, violins,
• 34:31
  weddings, classical, all that good stuff. It's just just style of
• 34:35
  play. And what are you doing in gritty flower fiddle? So I guess
• 34:43
  I guess we should introduce so a band local here to Charleston, Gritty Fly
• 34:46
  Ride. Yep, I would say probably. I mean maybe a year ago.
• 34:51
  You reached out to me right right before the Why did y'all film that
• 34:54
  thing? That was like in June July we ended up I think it was
• 35:00
  September because there was a storm, yeah right off, Yeah, yeah,
• 35:05
  it was hurricane. Of course I hadn't rained there in a week in the
• 35:07
  day we did, so let's just call it August. You reached out to
• 35:10
  me, and I think i'd put out some sort of music thing. You're
• 35:14
  like, hey man, you introduced yourself and you said I play with a
• 35:20
  buddy of mine, Greedy Fly Ride. We were in a band called Greedy
• 35:23
  Fly You should check it out. And yeah, what's funny is I don't
• 35:28
  know if y'all are like this, but when someone sends you music, do
• 35:31
  you sometimes just kind of kick it off to the side, like I'm just
• 35:35
  not in the mood from your music pick today well or a video or like
• 35:38
  just don't. I think it depends on who sent That's what I say.
• 35:45
  Do you trust certain people? And I didn't even I didn't know Boyd from
• 35:47
  I don't think we'd ever met. Maybe we'd met at an event or something.
• 35:52
  But for some reason, I was like, man, this guy,
• 35:54
  I feel like I'm gonna do this and check it out one straight to Spotify
• 35:58
  and I put it on. It's like and this is right up my alley,
• 36:00
  that's right, and uh and and I also just love the name gritty
• 36:05
  fly Right, like something about that, like kind of dondle me a little
• 36:08
  bit because I feel like I got some gritty in me, you know.
• 36:12
  And uh, and I love flying Right you do right? Um? So
• 36:21
  I check it out and I think I sent it to all my people and
• 36:23
  awesome, And then you guys invited us to the video thing. I think
• 36:30
  Grouney came with me. And then it rained and you know, did that
• 36:32
  in Rain in like seven to ten days, which was weird for like that
• 36:37
  year, just add Rooney just had sou But ever since then, though,
• 36:43
  like come and seeing you guys play live and you put on a great live
• 36:46
  show, and we love music, and it's it's live music and local music
• 36:52
  and shop local if you will. And I want to dive in though,
• 36:55
  and these guys probably have questions too later just on how hard it is to
• 37:00
  be a local band in a town like this and keep it fresh and not
• 37:05
  over sell yourself and overplay yourself and all that kind of stuff. So we'll
• 37:08
  get into that stuff later, but just pump that you guys are here and
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  and doing your thing and U and just making it happen. It's great,
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  love home radio. Whenever I'm not listening to you know, streaming Spotify,
• 37:42
  I've got home radio ready to rock. And one day I was driving around
• 37:45
  and I heard this interview. I was actually, you know, the the
• 37:49
  neighborhood launch over there by your in Alex's old place that like no one ever
• 37:52
  knows about on James Island Creek. I was in the middle of launching my
• 37:57
  boat and I heard this this interview going on with this local musician, and
• 38:00
  I didn't catch the beginning of it, so I only heard like the middle
• 38:05
  to like as I'm driving to the laune and backing in the boat, and
• 38:08
  I remember stopping and listening to it to find out who the hell it was,
• 38:13
  and I never could find out who it was. And that's when you
• 38:15
  sent me that message. Yeah, so I heard a little bit of it,
• 38:19
  but I would love to hear kind of how you got your I know
• 38:22
  that you have a teaching background and and all that stuff, but just you
• 38:25
  don't have to give it the whole thirty minute thing, just a little,
• 38:30
  a little touch here and there about how you kind of got started. It's
• 38:32
  it's a really interesting story, idiot, And I'm long winding, but you
• 38:37
  know, well, you can take as long as you want. No,
• 38:39
  no, no, y'all just interrupt me with it with a question. I'm
• 38:43
  the son of a Southern Baptist preachers, and you don't worry. You ain't
• 38:45
  gonna put me to sleep. It's a song right there, we're doing this.
• 38:51
  Yeah, now it's um. I was a school teacher UM here in
• 38:57
  Charleston County and in Coleton County for about ten years, and I did not
• 39:02
  grow I've never been in another outfit, you know, don't play music or
• 39:07
  read music, and didn't grow up in the church or in any kind of
• 39:13
  way involved. Just appreciated music. And it was Graham Worley, who's another
• 39:19
  local musician here for about twenty five years, that really kind of pushed me
• 39:25
  forward into He was my neighbor. We live over by DNR, so I've
• 39:30
  been over by DNR on James Island for about thirteen years when we moved off
• 39:36
  the farm, and he was there for about four years, and he pushed
• 39:40
  me to do some things. He was over at Brickhouse Kitchen doing some things,
• 39:45
  and that kind of went into covering with my buddy David Kasik and Jamal
• 39:51
  Hall, and it was just interesting two acoustic guitars and a saxophone and just
• 39:55
  working on harmonies and real stripped down stuff. And then I just I pushed
• 40:02
  things. You know, both feed in, so I just keep pushing and
• 40:06
  pushing. It's like, all right, well, I think I might write,
• 40:07
  write a song, and then that turns into putting singles out in twenty
• 40:12
  twenty and then put a record out last year. Just over it. We
• 40:15
  just had the anniversary of the record from a year ago. So I'm making
• 40:22
  all this stuff up. I say that I feel like there's not too many
• 40:25
  days that go by that I don't tell people like I'm just which is creative.
• 40:30
  It's great, it's not boring. Every week is different. But I
• 40:35
  got into this thing when I was thirty years old. Yeah, and so
• 40:38
  and T. J. Phillips from ninety five on an interview, asked him
• 40:44
  about a month ago. He said, would you ever go back into teaching?
• 40:47
  Would you what are you gonna be doing five years from now? And
• 40:50
  I went to answer, and I was like, to be honest with you,
• 40:52
  I don't know, because if you'd asked me that five years ago,
• 40:54
  ten years ago, it would have nothing to do with sitting here with you,
• 40:59
  you know, or music or anything like that. You didn't know what's
• 41:00
  around the next This might actually hurt your chances of anything else. But think
• 41:07
  about this again, So what is it. My mother's a teacher, an
• 41:13
  amazing teacher, and she always said that her favorite thing about teaching was inspiring.
• 41:17
  And I can remember talking to other musicians. You said, spending time
• 41:22
  with better musicians, more experienced musicians, brought out inspiration and then they don't
• 41:30
  know they had Yes, yeah, I mean so it's that time you spend
• 41:34
  with those people made you something. So it started with with Grant. So
• 41:37
  my father would sing in the church occasionally, he was this guy. We
• 41:42
  had my grandma's piano in the house and occasionally he would play. I was
• 41:46
  always I didn't know what music did for me. You know how you assume
• 41:51
  it's like, you know, you start telling stories good and bad, It's
• 41:52
  like, yeah, you know, that's that's regular, right. And then
• 41:55
  you especially if you like leave your hometown, you're like, that's normal,
• 41:59
  right. You're like, no, that's gonna be a North Carolina regional thing
• 42:02
  that you need to not say any up, but a lot. I'm from
• 42:07
  a small town called Woodroft, South Carolina and Spartanboro County, and so a
• 42:09
  lot of that for me. And um, that's a good place to be
• 42:13
  from. Oh it is, it's great. And and but my so,
• 42:15
  my dad, I'd be moved to tears. I'd be sitting in the church,
• 42:19
  or I would sit somewhere somebody's funeral, somebody's wedding, and that sounds
• 42:22
  weird. It's the only time I would hear him sing and or I would
• 42:27
  hear a certain song by John Prine or Keith Whitley, and so I would
• 42:31
  kill or the old soul. So Aretha Franklin, I'm crying, Luther Andrew's
• 42:36
  crying. And my wife, she points out, now, she's like,
• 42:38
  it does something different for you than most people. You just assumed everybody.
• 42:44
  Everybody was So I was always just app It's been harvesting in there for a
• 42:47
  long time. Yeah. Yeah, as an appreciator. And then when you
• 42:51
  talk about your mom being a teacher and inspiring so from Graham, my dad
• 42:55
  Graham, and then Boyd for example, Boyd has been play instance he was
• 43:00
  seven years old. He's traveled to other countries and played. He's high level
• 43:07
  as far as like the theory goes and understands what every musician on stage is
• 43:10
  doing. He can actions, he's literal, he's literally. So so I'm
• 43:20
  inspired by somebody like him, whether it be him standing there, I look
• 43:23
  over and I see his technique which I have zero, or I see him
• 43:28
  look over at the drummer or look over at me and understand the exchange,
• 43:34
  the musicality that's going on. Um, So your mother's right. When you
• 43:38
  when you are inspired and so that's why it's contagious. It does now,
• 43:44
  I will say in my case, I was telling my son this last night.
• 43:46
  In the case of me with the guitar, harmonica, piano, things
• 43:51
  that I play roughly, Um, it did not inspire me to become another
• 43:57
  six six stringer or harmonica. It inspired me to write. I love writing,
• 44:04
  and that's another thing I didn't grow up doing, keeping a journal or
• 44:06
  anything like that. But I needed, I mean now to picture me with
• 44:12
  without writing, hopefully, and for me it is hopefully From the outside,
• 44:16
  it's like that's where it'd be like picturing Paul without art. Yeah, and
• 44:22
  you'd be like, man, what are you talking about? You wouldn't listen
• 44:24
  to anything. You're like, no, you've got to get back to it.
• 44:28
  And I hopefully that's coming across as that. I enjoy the singing part,
• 44:31
  in the performing part, but it didn't drive me to go, you
• 44:36
  know what, I want to take the lessons. I want to shred this
• 44:37
  guitar. Yeah, it made him want to create. I think that's like
• 44:44
  what real living is is if you can live in a situation a stream that
• 44:52
  allows you to evolve all the time and brings out new things. In you
• 44:55
  all the time. That's that's living well. And it's really rare that you
• 45:00
  cross the streams of being a phenomenal instrumental you know, player and be a
• 45:06
  phenomenal writer like those like there are don't wrong. There's some examples. We
• 45:08
  can all name a couple, but those are the unicorns that are once in
• 45:13
  a generation, twice in a generation. Um. Off top of my head,
• 45:17
  I don't know Paul Clapton Stapleton, yeah, slash subtle, Yeah,
• 45:25
  and I won't call him a phenomenal writer, but somebody that's like a sneakily
• 45:30
  well not to anybody in this room, a sneaky well yeah. But uh,
• 45:34
  fucking Brad Paisley, Like a lot of people don't realize that dude can
• 45:37
  rip the absolute strings off a guitar. And while you wouldn't say his songs
• 45:39
  are high art, he has written a lot of very popular, very successful
• 45:44
  songs. But yeah, that's the guy that always blows the mind when you
• 45:45
  see him, like actually just sitting in on something and he'd like, why
• 45:47
  what's Brad Paisley doing there? And he's like, does his thing like our
• 45:52
  six stringer no issue? Does? Um? His exercise for electric guitar is
• 45:58
  Brad Paisley blue grass um and and in and in and at the scale and
• 46:02
  in and in it. I mean every day. It's crazy as uh.
• 46:07
  I had never really uh tuned in to know as much as I did at
• 46:13
  the Windjammer gig, which you weren't at obviously, I know, let's talk
• 46:17
  about that. Let's talk about that. But what well, he came through
• 46:23
  the window, so because I think I had seen you guys kind of more
• 46:29
  acoustic e and then when I played you guys let me get up there and
• 46:31
  play with you all at our party too. So but I kind of I
• 46:36
  kind of zoned in on him a little bit more at the Windjammer gig.
• 46:39
  And that dude can play. Man, he's good dude, he and I
• 46:44
  think that night he had a little he kind of turned it up a notch
• 46:45
  too. Yeah, and he he was getting after but he is a monster.
• 46:51
  He's one of our youngest um like in the music family, so gritty
• 46:54
  flower with the music family. Didn't he like grew up next to you and
• 46:58
  like you just heard him playing guitar out of the wind to night or I
• 47:00
  have he grew up. He was born and raised on Folly beach you can
• 47:05
  up, you know, and then he moved to James Island and I've known
• 47:07
  him since he was probably fourteen. He's classically trained. Um didn't really even
• 47:15
  listen to mainstream radio until he was up until it like maybe sixteen years old,
• 47:22
  like just his parent. Like, he was very sheltered from the mainstream
• 47:24
  music. So then when he starts listening to it, he gravitates towards Hendricks,
• 47:30
  led, Zeppelin, jazz, all these things like really people that you
• 47:34
  want him, water boys, some I heard you mentioned some Irish and uh
• 47:39
  so he is this guy that metal band right well, and then when he
• 47:44
  turned I can see that. So when he was seventeen, so he's a
• 47:46
  rocker. He looks more metal than anything. Play those country lists, so
• 47:51
  he's gone country. He's Alan Jackson is because Jackson. But here's the thing,
• 47:58
  and I'll take blame for this, okay, that he had credit or
• 48:01
  credit if that, I think it speaks to how versatile he, Boyd and
• 48:07
  Jamal are because those three, if you come to a gritty Flywright show,
• 48:14
  are asked to play country folk, R and B and some of us straight
• 48:22
  down the line, and it's we talk about it all the time with him.
• 48:27
  He's like, man, I'm just gonna go for it. Um,
• 48:29
  there's a couple of songs that we do. He's like, I'm just going
• 48:31
  for it here and um. Noah has another notch on his belt as that
• 48:37
  he can play across a young he can play country, the one of the
• 48:42
  most challenging things. This is gonna blow all his mind. Um, he
• 48:45
  asked me. I felt such responsibility as a country prayer. He goes,
• 48:50
  will you please send me five albums that I need to listen to? Wow?
• 48:55
  Only five? Like, oh my god, from this country, from
• 49:00
  that cloth? Well, how many of them were? Three of them are?
• 49:05
  Don't get this crowd it blew. We just do this for the rest
• 49:12
  of the show. You'll throw like mud vein in. No, he said
• 49:17
  country, he said country. I got along. I got that's committed.
• 49:23
  He was too. And then I being like the red knick. Now,
• 49:28
  I'm like, this is a lot of boy, and I'm like really proud,
• 49:32
  but I'm also like I'm nervous. So I called my drummer a lot
• 49:37
  from this spot. Can I called Ben? And I go Ben, we
• 49:39
  call him slappy. I'm how long ago was this? By the way,
• 49:42
  how old was he at the time year year and a half, two year.
• 49:45
  In the last two years, he goes, we please send me five
• 49:47
  albums because we're going down this country. Your stuff is. I want to
• 49:51
  know what y'all the inside jokes and I don't know who Randy Travis is.
• 49:54
  Oh God help me. And I'm like, okay, Well we started having
• 49:59
  hard balt I'm like, okay, well that's awesome. Though I phoned a
• 50:02
  friend phoned, I was like, hey, I got a tall order here.
• 50:07
  You did send him some John Anderson. You had to like. So
• 50:10
  he's one of the kids that is a true music guy that's like, I
• 50:15
  want the whole album. I'm like, I'll do that. Does that exist
• 50:19
  in nights? Arth Brooks that yeah, I had to say George and Garth
• 50:23
  and Brooks and Dunne. But it was very hard to send him and how
• 50:29
  he could that could be a vehicle for him to get to the gritty and
• 50:32
  what I'm doing because I'm not straight lacing you. Yeah, I mean all
• 50:37
  those guys in the nineties borrowed and lended uh from other people's It's like blues,
• 50:45
  that's all same. It's a good vein. Yeah, it's a good
• 50:50
  vein, you know. I mean my my takes on nineties were Garth,
• 50:53
  Clint black and Mark chestnutt Yeah, I saw Clint black Man straight. Yeah,
• 51:04
  but you're about to do what I did. When you get to five,
• 51:07
  you got a problem because if you leave Alan Jackson off that list,
• 51:10
  you will not sleep tonight. No. Yeah, I told him, I
• 51:15
  said, when you get done with those, I said, I've got so
• 51:17
  many, um like Alabama greatest hit, like Travis him not long ago.
• 51:29
  These guys are old. They're telling their age right here. We saw Travis
• 51:32
  tripp By not long ago, Paul Me and another buddy of ours, and
• 51:37
  it was just him on stage. He didn't have a band with him.
• 51:38
  It's just him, and he would play songs and tell stories. Play that's
• 51:42
  probably Charles and that dude can pick a guitar too, by the way,
• 51:45
  Yes, yeah, I've seen him twice. Yeah. Yeah, that was
• 51:50
  a good show. We about had a parking lot combo. You're not saying
• 51:52
  Travis tripp oh god, but imagine the responsibility when when you're twenty one year
• 52:00
  old six god no, no, right, which I had to tell him.
• 52:08
  I was like, look, we're not gonna do Glenn Campbell and Dwight
• 52:10
  Yoga, and he doesn't know who any of these people are. And I'm
• 52:14
  going, I'm going. So when you start and you say you know Alan
• 52:20
  and he goes, yeah, I know Alan Jackson, Chattahoochie or something that
• 52:22
  you go good, and you think you're making ground. And then when you
• 52:24
  say and then and then when you when you go and you say you know
• 52:30
  Randy Travis and he goes, never heard of him. You go, well,
• 52:34
  we've not gone that far, because I will not leave Randy Travis hide
• 52:38
  of a top ten ever. No, I'm digging up. I will say
• 52:45
  something. So I would say three months ago, I got I got that
• 52:49
  seeger Co hat that had the big W yellow W It's just a huge who
• 52:54
  is that? Who is that? The country down? So hey, get
• 53:04
  at I'm going out the window, wall walls, I say, wall and
• 53:08
  Jennings. So I went to this bar and uh, I'm sitting there on
• 53:14
  the corner and waiting for match SLISKI to get there. Oh god, and
• 53:17
  this this this girl walked walked up. I could tell she was with some
• 53:22
  other dude. He's over there playing bullis. So she walked up by herself,
• 53:25
  just twenty one twenty two. She goes, hey, what's that?
• 53:30
  What's that? WI mean on that hat? I go, huh because what
• 53:37
  is She goes, what is that hat? I like that hat? What
• 53:40
  does it mean? I go, Oh, it's Whale and Jennings. And
• 53:44
  she looked at me like, what's that? Hurt? It hurts? And
• 53:49
  I go and the old the first thing I could think of to relate to
• 53:53
  this girl, good, do you know who Willie Nelson? And she goes,
• 53:55
  oh, yeah, I go they were buddies and he was musician.
• 54:00
  She goes, Okay, cool, and then her boyfriend walked up and it
• 54:02
  was like, look, you're hurting. Look it's hurting. It's but we've
• 54:07
  gotten that. We've gotten to that, We've gotten to that date, the
• 54:09
  date line in the sand where it's okay for some of these people to not
• 54:15
  know who Whale and jinns. It is not okay. But is it or
• 54:20
  not? I mean, is it our fault that she doesn't know who will
• 54:22
  Jens? Maybe it's your's fault us. I'll take responsibility share Blaine. I
• 54:29
  think it's her parents, it's her, it's whoever raised her. I mean
• 54:30
  my daughter, my daughter. I felt a little Paul Puckey Day. I
• 54:34
  don't. I don't routinely like I have records and that right now and my
• 54:38
  daughter's life missus Rachel on YouTube is her like leading song person. But today
• 54:45
  the Dead South had like a live album from or a live show from Boston.
• 54:50
  It was like on one of the things I saw it. And so
• 54:52
  she's been all day listening to bluegrass from the Dead South and she's gonna know,
• 54:57
  Oh my god, she's gonna have nothing but country and blue grass.
• 55:00
  And with that in mind, a different angle. I don't know if you
• 55:04
  know this, Boyd, but today is Boyd Tinsley's birthday from the Dave Matthews
• 55:07
  Band fiddle player. A beautiful day. And going into that, I do
• 55:13
  want to know, from a classical background playing the violin, is it hard
• 55:20
  to like kind of take that right turn? Because from an art background,
• 55:23
  so my art background is like I'm kind of a realist. I paint everything
• 55:28
  kind of real, but I want to start breaking things down and kind of
• 55:30
  do the fiddle version of paintings looser make you kind of figure out some things.
• 55:36
  So from a classical background, is it harder to learn to play kind
• 55:40
  of more country fiddle style? I think it'd be harder to go from fiddle
• 55:45
  to classical. Okay, So, as West mentioned, you know a lot
• 55:51
  of classical world, and you know, I spend some time at the Governor's
• 55:54
  School in Greenville, and you know, with music theory, you know,
• 56:00
  comically I asked Wes if we had any sheet music. That didn't go well.
• 56:05
  But just in your background though, like you're used to like asking that
• 56:07
  kind of question in sight reading. I mean, if you want notes,
• 56:10
  if there's a sheet of music, it'll be delivered, Okay, no problem.
• 56:15
  Yeah. However, with the music theory background of you know, of
• 56:21
  a certain chord consists of these notes, this key um that has that has
• 56:25
  proven to be helpful. But I think what's been the most helpful is coming
• 56:30
  from the classical background of an orchestra or a quartet reading off of each other
• 56:36
  has proven to be the most So there is some some sort of dialogue between
• 56:40
  a quartet where you all are kind of responding to each other. I think,
• 56:45
  certainly, especially with a like Jamal, what I've found, you know,
• 56:49
  for those that have heard gritty, Jamal is phenomenal. Jamal Hall is
• 56:54
  I mean one of the best musicians I've had the pleasure playing with it's fun
• 56:58
  to watch too. You kind of like the starts. You let him,
• 57:01
  you let him go. And then what I've found, you know, in
• 57:05
  this season with with with gritty is what I found in this those those pieces
• 57:10
  where you know a fiddle just doesn't really necessarily fit per se, just the
• 57:15
  context of it isn't quite the best fit. Um. What I have found
• 57:22
  is with that sort of quartet style in mind is ways to egg jamal on
• 57:28
  Okay, so I can hear what he does, mock it, and then
• 57:31
  he takes it up the next level. You're driving him. Yeah, that's
• 57:36
  the ultimate though, to start responding, to start mocking him or keying him
• 57:39
  off of something. Dwayne Alman and Dicky Bett. Yeah for sure, Yeah,
• 57:44
  I will. I will say, I havn't no point of reference.
• 57:46
  Whatsever it seems to me the fiddle a lot of it's it's more interpretive,
• 57:52
  more loose maybe is that a word to say where you have a little room
• 57:55
  to wiggle versus whereas classical classical is about perfecting a written piece to the way
• 58:01
  that it was written, in the way that somebody wanted you to fit into
• 58:05
  a mold. Whereas a fiddle is kind of have look seems to me you
• 58:08
  have a little more room to do your thing. You're playing the same piece.
• 58:12
  You're gonna suck around and find out my ass right helps if you have
• 58:15
  I mean you need a heartbreak, play fiddle well, and you need you
• 58:19
  needed to tax money or something. You know, you need you need to
• 58:27
  somebody's cheated you, Yeah, somebody something. I mean that the fiddle has
• 58:32
  soul. I mean I say this, I don't play it, but like
• 58:36
  it. Some of it is it cries, It cries, some cries yeah,
• 58:40
  yeah, so so some of it. Some of it is like technical,
• 58:47
  like oh no, I need to put my finger on both of these
• 58:51
  now you've told me before. It's like some of it's clean, like especially
• 58:53
  Texas fiddle is bump if you want, Yeah, the band it's so clean
• 59:00
  and this, and then some of your Celtic like your Irish Scottish raspy and
• 59:06
  stuff is kind of goosey, like punky and intentionally yeah or like um just
• 59:13
  blurring notes. Mountain music is it's a little bit more blurry than the Texas.
• 59:17
  Yeah, it's a laser from like Grandy Rogers band. Their fiddle dude
• 59:22
  is almost perfect. I mean, I don't really like I grew up on
• 59:23
  mountain bluegrass and and I a lot of roots in that, but like,
• 59:28
  yeah, it's mountain bluegrass. Is is intentionally dirty and raw. It is.
• 59:34
  I mean you look at like even clogging and then the ship the way
• 59:36
  they dance that's rough and interpretive, like oh my sister claws. Yeah,
• 59:38
  and you know it's and that's like that music matches that you got that raspy
• 59:43
  dragging across the strings versus cutting a note off clean you just pull that note
• 59:46
  right through the next note. And like did the Carter family play in the
• 59:51
  fiddle? I don't know, there's a lot of Carters no, you know,
• 59:54
  like the original Like I don't don't Bell Carter. I don't remember them
• 59:58
  being fiddles. That was it was just your segue to go into Nashville next
• 1:00:02
  one. Okay, alrighty, going to the Ryman. So you talked about
• 1:00:09
  like playing off another musician like live, So personally, if you had to
• 1:00:16
  hear like two musicians historically they had played off each other live, can you
• 1:00:23
  name like two they were amazing? The immediate one that comes to mind,
• 1:00:28
  and this is very specific, but yeah, Sturgils Cutting Grass album Okay,
• 1:00:34
  so freaking good. By the way, there they are. He put me
• 1:00:39
  on that. I mean that is un I saw that he was like,
• 1:00:43
  I saw an ad somewhere when I was listening to music that said that he
• 1:00:45
  was going to release that out, and I was like, Sturt was doing
• 1:00:47
  a whole grass album. And as soon as it came the day it came
• 1:00:50
  out, it's been how long it's been, So I bought a whole album.
• 1:00:52
  I bought So there's like studio musicians. They probably don't travel with him
• 1:00:57
  well. And I have my buddy of mine that has played with a once.
• 1:01:00
  He's he's over. He's in a phenomenal banjo player from Vale, North
• 1:01:05
  Carolina, Hickory, North Carolina. He tri city reader. I'm from Morganton,
• 1:01:09
  which is Hickory, the trash shaty regions. He plays his grandfather's Gibson
• 1:01:15
  band just figure. I'll never forget. We were on the way to my
• 1:01:21
  bachelor party at a Morees in Society Hills, South Carolina. Son, you
• 1:01:24
  were way too young to be married, and he shared that with me,
• 1:01:30
  and he had mentioned he mentioned that, he mentioned that I agree. He
• 1:01:39
  mentioned that uh Sturgill hired these guys that to go in on this album,
• 1:01:45
  and I mean it should. You said to me, these are world class.
• 1:01:49
  He's broken called in Mercenaries and yeah. So when I listened to it,
• 1:01:53
  you listen, it's basically forty songs of Amanda. I mean when he
• 1:02:00
  performed some of those before and he brought up but he redid it even better.
• 1:02:04
  Yeah, and they're just I wonder if you guys ever heard of these
• 1:02:07
  guys. So when I so, I went at Georgia in Athenes, and
• 1:02:13
  that was ninety six, two thousand and one, and uh, last last
• 1:02:17
  year I was in at the Pine Creek Lodge in Montana and got to hear
• 1:02:23
  this band I had not heard in at least a decade. By the way,
• 1:02:29
  Pine Creek Lodge a badass spot, amazing leftover salmon. Yeah, oh
• 1:02:35
  you're talking about Well, they kind of broken for a while. You have
• 1:02:40
  like guys who play off each other. They're amazing. Ye. At one
• 1:02:45
  point I was sitting there, I don't know for how long my mouth at
• 1:02:47
  me and my friend walked by and went, you close your mouth because you
• 1:02:52
  might catch something like a fly or something. I was amazed. Oh my
• 1:03:00
  god. Yeah, that live album they had and they pay for the simple
• 1:03:07
  joy of playing, and when you watch him, they look like the happiest
• 1:03:09
  human beings in the world playing. Well, So someone sent me and we'll
• 1:03:15
  go back to the whole Like I don't really ever, Like it's got to
• 1:03:16
  be something special to send me some music. But the dude uh from I
• 1:03:22
  can't remember his name left over Salmon did a So has kind of a solo
• 1:03:25
  career that he's been working in the last six seven years. And his solo
• 1:03:29
  stuff is unbelievable too. I mean, the they are amazed. I can't
• 1:03:31
  remember his damn name. So anyway, and they've been around. I mean
• 1:03:36
  it shows the cohesion, Yeah, it does well. And also to circle
• 1:03:39
  back to this guy he has his what's interesting is to take a classically trained
• 1:03:47
  um violinist, yeah, and challenge him. I met BOYD years ago at
• 1:03:52
  a show that he just came up and introduced him. So we're gonna do
• 1:03:54
  that story too. Well, that was his dad, like dad was there,
• 1:04:00
  it was does It was funny back when the new realm was Dockeres.
• 1:04:04
  Uh. My then girlfriend and I lived up right there on Daniel Island and
• 1:04:10
  my dad was in town and we were like, oh, well, there's
• 1:04:12
  a school spot, right, I mean we can walk there easy enough,
• 1:04:15
  get in and out. Well, my dad being my dad, Dad,
• 1:04:18
  I'm sure you're listening now that you heard sounds like my dad would do the
• 1:04:21
  same thing. Yeah. Um, my dad doesn't care for overly loud situations,
• 1:04:29
  just being able to you know, visit and talk and you know,
• 1:04:32
  if there's a loud band playing, he wouldn't like me and bike the over
• 1:04:44
  atmosphere. So we walk in and like, oh great, here's a seat,
• 1:04:48
  I mean from from here to the window, they says. And this
• 1:04:53
  band's kind of tuning up. And my Dad's like, look, let's uh,
• 1:04:57
  let's eat quick by the boom by the band and way we can get
• 1:05:00
  we're not doing live band ten feet awake. And there's these guys in suits.
• 1:05:04
  Now that I know him, Jamal's wearing this fancy hat and I'm like,
• 1:05:09
  what do we have here? And uh? And so we're sitting down
• 1:05:13
  and the buzzer rang and we didn't hadn't even gotten our food yet and they
• 1:05:17
  strike open Jim and we were there for an hour and a half. My
• 1:05:24
  dad turned his seat around. He's you know, growing up, dad always
• 1:05:28
  has to face the door so his back was to the band, you know,
• 1:05:30
  being able to see that, he turned around and we tuned in for
• 1:05:33
  an hour and a half and got to know West with West just being West
• 1:05:38
  makes his rounds still to this day makes his rounds to everybody listening, which
• 1:05:43
  is very admirable. Um, he was his wife, Virginia was pregnant with
• 1:05:46
  their second son, and I was like, oh, my name is Boyny
• 1:05:49
  is boy? My name my son and son. That's a strong name,
• 1:05:54
  boy, very strong. Yeah, mis name this boy yet, but I
• 1:06:08
  hadn't what does it mean in Spanish and Latin? Yeah, he was all
• 1:06:12
  in and um I didn't, didn't your dad like kind of like he plays
• 1:06:16
  like? Oh, I would have never said this guy was so modest like
• 1:06:20
  he was. He was like, I really enjoyed the ship. Great job,
• 1:06:24
  great job. That was it, No speak of that I played music.
• 1:06:27
  I still would have never I would have never said anything. Either my
• 1:06:30
  girlfriend now wife at the time would have to say something or we would have
• 1:06:34
  had to continue our friendship for him to Your dad did a great job and
• 1:06:39
  Madison did a great job of saying, you know, boy can play,
• 1:06:43
  yeah, like he does like he can play, and it wasn't a matter
• 1:06:46
  like knowing like and I think maybe your dad knew enough about music too to
• 1:06:50
  know that we were playing three chord songs. We weren't playing jazz. Well.
• 1:06:57
  But is this like something with musicians, y'all you got a lot of
• 1:06:59
  musicians, man, Is it like a fisherman like when my dad gets around
• 1:07:03
  people when they start talking about fishing, like my boy fishes, and I'm
• 1:07:06
  like, I don't want to talk to this asshole that I really have no
• 1:07:10
  interest in sharing fishing stories with a stranger like you. To answer that,
• 1:07:16
  it depends because because my I don't have that with with me. Um.
• 1:07:24
  Paul might advocate for me to say, you ought to check out gritty Um,
• 1:07:29
  but I don't. But his dad, yes, I'm the same way,
• 1:07:30
  yet I don't have that but but but he has played in the Vatican,
• 1:07:34
  so so so let's stop. Let's just stop and come back. We
• 1:07:45
  need to stop and come back. So so again, Yeah, so he's
• 1:07:49
  dad, he's played funny thing. I played in the Vatican too. It's
• 1:07:51
  not that big of a deal. But me me neither. I'm gonna kazoo
• 1:07:59
  to play my balls in the vatic one time. I've never I've never been
• 1:08:01
  to Europe. Just to close it all out, I've never been to Europe.
• 1:08:05
  So, uh, this guy has played in the Vatican, so he
• 1:08:09
  has these little stories, and he's been to the Governor's school to get his
• 1:08:12
  training, so it's not like he plays an I've played in the governor's mansion.
• 1:08:18
  Well, all right, Paul, that's a whole other story that Paul
• 1:08:27
  can't can't be upset. He's like, Bola, Oh yeah, well I
• 1:08:32
  painted that pinted that this isn't I mean. So, my biggest compliment to
• 1:08:38
  Boyd is that he's been challenged to play. Okay, he's he's just trained
• 1:08:43
  violinist. He's been challenged to play in this gritty floor. What is this?
• 1:08:47
  It is more of a fiddle. But if you come to a show
• 1:08:50
  or you're in play, you it's the biggest compliment you give. Somebody say,
• 1:08:56
  I don't know how to explain what I'm hearing. But it is more
• 1:09:00
  it's not like he's up there playing classically. He's not doing all these things.
• 1:09:03
  But he's also not a pure If a fiddle player was in the crowd,
• 1:09:09
  you'd be like, it's a very interesting conversation piece because he's got his
• 1:09:14
  own style, which if he and he's having to work at it. I
• 1:09:16
  would say one of the biggest things too, as anybody who's creating anything,
• 1:09:20
  being uncomfortable is very important. And I've done a good job of making boys
• 1:09:30
  like coming through the window. It's just hard for the court. Notice how
• 1:09:36
  he didn't flint. He's like, oh, West has got to be coming
• 1:09:40
  in the window stage. That's so Boyd has been challenged. And now he's
• 1:09:45
  got his own sound, and I think it's gonna be interesting five years from
• 1:09:49
  now when you hear he will have it might be a South Carolina sound because
• 1:09:55
  you're from Florence. I mean, he's from him. He's gon Malrnes's classically.
• 1:10:00
  When he played with us at Martin's a couple of times now, so
• 1:10:03
  we have my buddy, here goes Paul, trying to insert itself. No,
• 1:10:08
  when we had we had Renard on harmonica. We're playing blues with electric
• 1:10:12
  guitars, and boy gets up there kind of shut up an hour late,
• 1:10:15
  you know, not that it was late, I mean he yeah, Martins
• 1:10:21
  doesn't have windows. So he clicks in no, and and we're playing blues
• 1:10:28
  with electric guitars, and you know harmonica and he just gets in here with
• 1:10:31
  the You know, most people look at us like a violin. Why is
• 1:10:34
  a violin during a blues band? But it worked out great. I remember
• 1:10:40
  there's Yeah, it's very challenging. It's same thing with jamal for I'd say
• 1:10:46
  no us had the easy with electric guitar. You know this Paul, he
• 1:10:49
  can blend with electric guitar, but saxophone playing John Prin, saxophone playing Stapleton
• 1:11:00
  and saxophone playing Umi, Hank Williams, Hank Williams Senior. Have you ever
• 1:11:08
  heard Mind your Own Business? Nobody's ever heard with a saxophone. And so
• 1:11:14
  if you come to a show, that's what you hear. Alive is a
• 1:11:16
  guy not only playing saxophone or this guy playing Ray Charles blues song from the
• 1:11:23
  fifties right on fiddle. That's what I love about you guys. Though it's
• 1:11:26
  weird, you just never know where you're going to dive into. It's fun
• 1:11:30
  and that's what that was also fun about going through uh the wind gendering spring
• 1:11:33
  break, Like right in the middle of spring break, these guys got the
• 1:11:38
  stage. Nobody's it was just that classic spring great crowd entertaining them though,
• 1:11:44
  like you know what I mean. You were though, and y'all were up
• 1:11:46
  there having a blast, and I was doing like I said, I was
• 1:11:49
  looking to know a lot, but I was also looking to crowd a lot
• 1:11:51
  because I was more interested panty droppers. Well, I was also buying eight
• 1:11:58
  dollars. But lights you gotta get a buttery nipple like beer, like beers
• 1:12:03
  are now eight dollars. Just so y'all know that at the bar and lukewarm
• 1:12:09
  can. I used to come here and I get a bucking fra damn right,
• 1:12:15
  So I went and so the guitarists for hooting and the blowfish. I
• 1:12:17
  can't remember going on the top of my head. Mark Bryan's. Well,
• 1:12:20
  he had a band called Cajun Milkshake for a little while or is that occasional
• 1:12:25
  milkshake? Occasional milkshake not occasion you tell I like Cajun. I like that
• 1:12:30
  better. But they used to play at the Jammer'd be like, you might
• 1:12:33
  want to rethink that, man. Yeah, So the used play at Jammer
• 1:12:38
  quite a bit, and it's back in the eight dollars bucket days of the
• 1:12:41
  Jammer, like two thousand is this three uber way before we won't talk about
• 1:12:46
  that at the current situations. But we ended up in the green room hanging
• 1:12:49
  out with those guys one night. I don't know why, but my buddy
• 1:12:53
  knew somebody who you know how that works out, and so we were up
• 1:12:56
  in the little loft area above the bar just shit canned it like in the
• 1:13:00
  morning with those guys. Nice guys. I just russ name your boat Occasional
• 1:13:05
  Milk. If you're listen, I won't send this in. He was at
• 1:13:12
  the wind Jammer show, Yeah, I just I stoodn't. I didn't.
• 1:13:15
  So he came to the wind Jammer show. Really nice guy. I saw
• 1:13:17
  him an Ondoll Green before, and he's got a new drink out. It's
• 1:13:23
  called High and he's like really promoting the smooth drink out right now, and
• 1:13:27
  so if he's listening, I'll drink it. Mark send it over here.
• 1:13:30
  You don't remember, man, that's okay. The next I was the random
• 1:13:34
  drunk guy in the green room after one of them show. So was it
• 1:13:38
  Occasional Milksha or Cajun? I thought it was Cajun Milkshack, But I was
• 1:13:41
  also hands on what part of the country. I'm pretty sure he's right,
• 1:13:45
  and I'm wrong, However, I was hammered. Not great, milksh I'm
• 1:13:50
  sure I saw him in Lafaye and that was Cajun changes every city. Yeah,
• 1:13:58
  they were good, though he wouldn't love that. I love it.
• 1:14:00
  I love It's a good guy. So boyd, we're gonna get this boiled
• 1:14:03
  fly fishing before the summer falls over with the thing, the thing with West
• 1:14:10
  and the thing with Wes and fly fishing would be perfect form is fly fishing
• 1:14:15
  creates an obsession and you have to submit to it. West is somebody.
• 1:14:20
  You see it in what he does with Gritty Flywright how it started. But
• 1:14:26
  that also scares people like him, and I'm might, wait, that's why
• 1:14:30
  I want golf. I think I would enjoy the hell out of golf.
• 1:14:32
  But the problem is already have two very expensive, time consuming hobbies in bow
• 1:14:36
  hunting, and I don't have room my life for another one. You also
• 1:14:41
  said being in the studio inspired you, so maybe being on the boat some
• 1:14:45
  of us there's nothing like it. Yet you will be inspired and you'll see
• 1:14:48
  what it's about. I have a very healthy fear of the sea. I
• 1:14:53
  went out with my friend Frank coaches. You have healthy respect, respect,
• 1:14:57
  how you never been past the jetties. We don't. We don't go anywhere
• 1:15:00
  near I mean I do, but you don't have. I don't want to.
• 1:15:05
  I don't want to not see land. I mean I just it.
• 1:15:09
  I fear the waters. We're next to land the whole time we're actually floating
• 1:15:13
  above land. Well, I'll say this with West being one of my best
• 1:15:16
  friend here, of course, uh West Listen is not necessarily a country club
• 1:15:21
  type of gentlemen. So you got fly fishing is with him getting in.
• 1:15:30
  If he were to get into it and all that you can do with fly
• 1:15:32
  fishing, he'll, I know, he'll be hook like Paul and Owen,
• 1:15:36
  everybody that I've met, like Rivers in Glenn, they support the record.
• 1:15:41
  Those are a huge music guys. It's it's been surprising when people are like,
• 1:15:45
  hey, what do you what are you getting into? And I'm like,
• 1:15:47
  I'm I just came from Rivers in Glenn, or I bought a shirt
• 1:15:49
  over there or something. I'm like, no, I don't, I don't
• 1:15:53
  fish. I just like the shirt. But it's it's an interesting I couldn't
• 1:15:58
  put my mind around. When we played Awesome Fly, it was like,
• 1:16:02
  who are these guys? What demographic am I looking at? And boy was
• 1:16:05
  like a lot of tucker. He's like, you're gonna like it because these
• 1:16:10
  are working men. Yeah, these are working men and women, but they're
• 1:16:16
  this hobby. It costs them money. They've got to go work so they
• 1:16:19
  can go out and do this. Yeah, but and they're kind of hippi
• 1:16:24
  because I like hippies and stuff like he's they're a kind of hippie. They're
• 1:16:27
  music people. But at the same time, he's like, it's y'all have
• 1:16:30
  a very weird demographic. We do. We do a fisherman, but we
• 1:16:34
  have a very common thread. And I would leave you with this. We
• 1:16:39
  have a healthy fear, slash or respect for the sea. There is nothing
• 1:16:44
  more liberating in the world than going out and falling in love with something that
• 1:16:48
  scares you a little bit like that. And the thing is the thing that
• 1:16:55
  we do though you don't even you don't even have to come close to being
• 1:17:00
  successful, just seeing that tail come up out there and having to be with
• 1:17:03
  your buddy and the sun's started. Well, the other big piece for West,
• 1:17:09
  well you don't those creativity that comes Yeah, yes, West will be
• 1:17:14
  fascinated with what's hanging on those Walls. Oh man, the flies themselves will
• 1:17:19
  fascinate West. Yeah, to conquer a fish look around that inspiration that made
• 1:17:27
  him, I mean, think about this stuff. I mean, this is
• 1:17:30
  what made Paul. Yeah. You go to Rivers, Glenn, they sell
• 1:17:33
  my flies there, like well, that's another thing. So Mike is an
• 1:17:39
  amazing writer as well. He hadn't done it as much in the last few
• 1:17:42
  years, but every now and then we work on a little project. Bullshit
• 1:17:45
  artist is He's a fly tire baby. Doug has a really good eye for
• 1:17:49
  photography and video. He hasn't been using it much in the last couple of
• 1:17:54
  years, but it's there. Yeah, and so it's a super creative room.
• 1:17:58
  I'll call you the wayside. Take it all, take it all,
• 1:18:01
  and but it's just fun. There's something about being out there that inspires,
• 1:18:08
  uh you know, well it's it's a two way street. It inspires a
• 1:18:11
  lot of things. But for me it's always been as I don't I don't
• 1:18:15
  always see it as me taking something on when I get out there. I
• 1:18:19
  do see a lot of times that a lot of things get released when I'm
• 1:18:23
  out there, if that makes any sense. Like, because as a writer,
• 1:18:26
  you write music, I write essays or short stories, things like that.
• 1:18:30
  And so when I write, like people always time, I'm like,
• 1:18:32
  oh yeah, I've never worked on a piece longer than it took me to
• 1:18:35
  physically top it out of my brain. When I go, it's like verbal
• 1:18:40
  diarrhea out of my and it goes through my hands that comes out on a
• 1:18:42
  page. And sometimes I don't even know what that is until I go fishing
• 1:18:46
  or something like that, and I'll have an idea and I'll see something or
• 1:18:49
  something like that and it loosens something up in there and that was stuck or
• 1:18:53
  was just always there. Because none of it's new, I don't write,
• 1:18:56
  you know. It's all compilation of old ideas and old things and stories and
• 1:19:00
  things that all just got mash up into some theme that I find. And
• 1:19:04
  a lot of times it's because I'm out of the water and I'll think on
• 1:19:08
  something. Then by the time I get home, I can't do anything else.
• 1:19:10
  Like I put all my shit away and I run a pull laptop out
• 1:19:12
  and now I sit down, I'll hammer. It's like it's a stream of
• 1:19:17
  thought, it's stream of conscious and it goes all through one flow and there's
• 1:19:20
  no breakup. I don't come back six months later and edit this and pull
• 1:19:24
  it it. Put another segment here, and maybe it'd a clarify now fuck
• 1:19:26
  that, this is what I had, This is what I got for you,
• 1:19:29
  and I put it in the world. And there's a few magazines out
• 1:19:31
  there that are willing to do that for me. Southern culture on the fly
• 1:19:33
  I think very much Drake Magazine. But like and sometimes it's worth it,
• 1:19:38
  sometimes not. I hope that people can hear what I'm trying to tell them.
• 1:19:41
  But like for me, it's that place the marsh or the rivers up
• 1:19:45
  in North Carolina or the keys for tarp and for me, it feels like
• 1:19:49
  it jiggles something loose. It's like it's all in there, like you've accumulated
• 1:19:53
  your whole life. Like you didn't write a song based on something you saw
• 1:19:56
  Tuesday at Hair's teeter. You wrote it on your whole life experience. But
• 1:20:00
  it takes something to click that piece in place where you go, oh shit,
• 1:20:04
  here it comes sparagus. Yeah, he's spot on my I didn't write
• 1:20:15
  a song like that. Tell my grandfather passed away that that that's what shook
• 1:20:19
  me. I mean to take it to the typical country sad, like I
• 1:20:25
  didn't start writing stuff. Those are all true story, Like every song on
• 1:20:29
  the album is a true story. Half of them are pretty painful, but
• 1:20:32
  they are. It is a release, and I didn't I didn't go to
• 1:20:36
  that place and had it hadn't happened to me. Yeah, and then my
• 1:20:41
  response to it was to write, grab one on a piece of paper.
• 1:20:45
  It's very true what you're saying. Yeah, And for me, like,
• 1:20:49
  I can't even imagine, like when you're sitting out there with a buddy and
• 1:20:53
  there's that ten or fifteen minutes that you haven't even talked all the things that
• 1:20:57
  go through your mind that are the releases you're talking about. Man, Like
• 1:21:00
  I haven't thought about that in like ten years. That memory, like it
• 1:21:03
  all just comes to you and all of a sudden, Oh shit, we
• 1:21:06
  got one at one o'clock. You know. It's like, yeah, it's
• 1:21:09
  cool. That's cool. Well, let's let's kind of phase out. We're
• 1:21:14
  gonna phase out the segment. We're gonna come back. Have you guys played
• 1:21:16
  song two songs? Whatever you want to do? Uh and uh, maybe
• 1:21:21
  we'll all I'll talk about a little songwriting first, because I got some questions
• 1:21:26
  about that as well, and we're gonna have a little We're gonna have a
• 1:21:29
  little Alan Jackson to kind of get this. This is my favorite Alan Jackson
• 1:21:31
  songs. Eric Davis, Packer, suitcase, drove off, and the brand
• 1:21:45
  new car A ball her so on your top five. She made leaving me
• 1:21:50
  look easy. I wish she made it look a little harder. I to
• 1:21:59
  her her out of Texas when she was just her but old Tennessee and me
• 1:22:08
  couldn't take Texas out of her. Oh how I wish dass was in Tennessee.
• 1:22:16
  I could move Texas sees, then she'd be here with me. It's
• 1:22:24
  nothing else would come between the two of us if Dallas was intense. The
• 1:22:42
  last ridiculous rent made by these idiots was functured by the fring it Rom the
• 1:22:47
  Caribbean's finest treasure age. A perfection for your pleasure. Raise your glass and
• 1:22:54
  sloping a good time, pring it roum while the woman crashed my car.
• 1:23:09
  It made me heal shrake eye value in higher Tuckacon Tucacon. Then audition other
• 1:23:36
  great sounds of the year's albums. There's no minimum to borrow cancer. Any
• 1:23:41
  time spent my lifetime wishing wages to come round. Devin jokes shooting boot on
• 1:24:12
  the other side of town. The whistle rose at five o'clock. It's only
• 1:24:19
  one place I'll be found down. It earned his ice house, lifting long
• 1:24:26
  necks to that good old country sound and talking about the good old time.
• 1:24:35
  Rang it on is to be worn down the same old lines. Now it
• 1:24:45
  changes. Nothing's new to me. Yeah, he eat an he's saying,
• 1:24:59
  I concert over in North Carolina one time, and he's this is two Circon
• 1:25:02
  twenty ten eleven something like that. I was back home for some reason and
• 1:25:06
  I was like, shit, yeah, I go see Clint Black. So
• 1:25:09
  we go to see it, and uh so we get there and first off,
• 1:25:13
  Clint Black comes out and there's a lot more Clint Black than news to
• 1:25:15
  be all right, he's three hundred pounds if he is announced, and I'm
• 1:25:18
  not joking. And he gets out there and he's he's hammered. You can
• 1:25:21
  tell immediately he's shit faced. And he starts singing. He's having a good
• 1:25:26
  time, but like he's messing up his songs. He's singing off keys's missing
• 1:25:29
  notes, like it was just awful. And then like he's some girls in
• 1:25:31
  the front roads or her daughter no ye, and he's talked to her and
• 1:25:34
  he's like wait. He's like, oh, it's your birthday. How about
• 1:25:38
  i'll sing you Happy birthday? So he started singing Happy birthday, and she
• 1:25:41
  just told him his name her name. He gets to the part where I
• 1:25:44
  like, I have a birth due dude. He goes, all right,
• 1:25:46
  well, reckon, I'm going. At some point his songs became perfect,
• 1:25:51
  and I realized that they'd cut his mic off and like dubbed over like because
• 1:25:56
  it went from being really sloppy to like not missing a beat. And I
• 1:26:00
  was like, we are watching a lip sync session. Now, somebody backers
• 1:26:03
  like pullet. He's all he's hammered again. Dog, W're either going to
• 1:26:06
  have an eat fire or not. I'm telling you, I'm smelling fire.
• 1:26:10
  No, but it's just the exhaust out of this thing. Promise we're back.
• 1:26:14
  If anything else happens, then I'll say I'm sorry I were over.
• 1:26:17
  For those of y'all, this will be happy to die tonight. Yeah,
• 1:26:19
  for those of y'all listen, I don't know if you know, but this
• 1:26:21
  is awesome. This is probably one of the better podcasts we've ever done.
• 1:26:26
  I think we're not world class interviewers, musicians that make a difference. At
• 1:26:30
  five, I've had a damn good run. Yeah, I'm sure this sound
• 1:26:35
  mixture is gonna end your life. I got we know the window work,
• 1:26:42
  thank you, Graham. And I have got you guys. I got gritty
• 1:26:45
  fly right and I have got you guys. I don't want to die with
• 1:26:48
  you. I just have. I got a ten month old baby girl.
• 1:26:51
  I'm not dying in here with you. No fans, I love you,
• 1:26:55
  but I'm I'm terrible. I even got this little They just just bring it
• 1:27:03
  down because that thing is as tight as it can get and it's just gonna
• 1:27:08
  be um. So let's let's talk about Charleston people, and you're you guys
• 1:27:14
  are playing in Nashville soon. Did I see that? So it's it's actually
• 1:27:17
  gonna be in Columbia, but they kind of like so it's called Nashville Nights.
• 1:27:23
  That's my friend Michael Haney and he lives in Nashville and he basically leans
• 1:27:28
  on all his Nashville singer songwriters brings them down. They do eight weeks and
• 1:27:33
  it's at Steel Hands Brewery, which is h which is really cool. They're
• 1:27:38
  doing some cool stuff. We went up there and did a fundraiser a few
• 1:27:41
  weeks ago and the ownership is really cool. Um, and you and I
• 1:27:46
  did that last year. Yeah, you and I went up there and did
• 1:27:49
  specifically Nashville Nights. We went up and played Nashville Night. We opened up
• 1:27:54
  for Paul McDonald and that's who it is again. I hadn't told you that
• 1:27:58
  it is Paul McDonald again. And those that haven't listened, Yeah, you
• 1:28:01
  gotta check out Paul down he travels all around him. Great songwriter, Nashville
• 1:28:05
  based, I believe. Yeah, And uh but no, so we're going
• 1:28:10
  up there for that. That's gonna be like the Friday before like Father's Day
• 1:28:14
  weekend, so like sixteenth maybe I was talking about Nashville song or sorry.
• 1:28:18
  I heard a little story the other day where it come hang out, so
• 1:28:20
  like you know Tyler Schilders, West Virginia, Kentucky feller Um, Yeah,
• 1:28:26
  but they they like I was like, we're listening to this interview with him
• 1:28:29
  and he was talking about his music and his songwrites and like it's right after
• 1:28:31
  he got his couple of his big hits that went you know, everybody singing.
• 1:28:34
  And they asked him as like songwrites, yeah, you know, and
• 1:28:39
  they they said, so, I guess you're gonna move. You know,
• 1:28:41
  you plan on moving to Nashville. You're gonna go out there and do the
• 1:28:44
  Nashville thing. And he said no, They said why not? He said,
• 1:28:47
  He goes, have you heard my music? He goes, I can't
• 1:28:49
  write that in Nashville. He was the fastest girl in metropolis in the South.
• 1:28:53
  He goes, I write songs about country folk. He goes, I
• 1:28:57
  can't write that song. And now I got to write that song. That
• 1:29:00
  made me like that made sense to me, Like that's a man. He
• 1:29:02
  has a rural appeal. Yeah, he goes in to record his stuff.
• 1:29:10
  Now, if you if you listen what you hear on his records are Nashville
• 1:29:15
  musicians in a Nashville studio. Yeah, absolutely, tens of thousands of dollars,
• 1:29:20
  they clean up, they clean up that. And his real bad I've
• 1:29:23
  heard him. I mean his his real band is also wonderful. But like
• 1:29:28
  he when you go he's not like Anti Nation, no, no, no
• 1:29:30
  no, but he has got this rule appeal where he's talking about the working
• 1:29:33
  man and I'm I'm not tall our children, but I do I feel the
• 1:29:36
  same way I can say I maybe identify on a JV level of saying yeah,
• 1:29:42
  I would never people like I had a guy asked me a few weeks
• 1:29:45
  ago, would you consider moving your family to Nashville? And he's a guy
• 1:29:47
  that's really done well for himself in there, and I said, man,
• 1:29:53
  I've got wife and kids here. Charleston is really more. There's nobody in
• 1:29:57
  South Carolina doing what I'm trying to do. I mean, and I don't
• 1:30:02
  know. I mean, there's a lot of Top forty that's in this town,
• 1:30:05
  but there's not a lot of Sturgil Tyler in this town. I'm like,
• 1:30:09
  nah, man, I don't, I don't. It would be a
• 1:30:11
  force. Yeah, well you don't bring you don't bring, you know,
• 1:30:15
  the right Like if I had to guess, and I'm not a marketing executive,
• 1:30:19
  but I would guess Tyler being incredibly talented, amazing songwriter, I'd be
• 1:30:26
  fine. Where trying to separate himself from the crowd. Well, yeah,
• 1:30:30
  and good time to do it too, That's okay. Well he didn't have
• 1:30:31
  to. Yeah, I mean he came out of the gate doing that.
• 1:30:33
  I mean, he's one of the New Age. What do you want to
• 1:30:38
  call him now out. He used to be called outlaw country for a while
• 1:30:40
  there. But I don't know, are you bringing that tournam anymore. You
• 1:30:43
  bring up a good point that I don't want to drag you down a hole.
• 1:30:46
  But I'm gonna say this. I call it country music. Yeah,
• 1:30:50
  it's actual country. Mun you don't have to church it up. It's not
• 1:30:55
  Americana. Americana is like hip hop. It is a culture and a thing.
• 1:30:59
  And Jim was Americana and all these says Tyler Children's is country music.
• 1:31:03
  He's not. He's not a certain top forty. He's not an outlaw country.
• 1:31:08
  It's just country music. What do they say, three chords in the
• 1:31:11
  trees, dahn man. It's he's a storyteller, yeah, which is well,
• 1:31:16
  and that's what we need. He's telling true stories. And yeah,
• 1:31:21
  I would not I kind of I kind of hesitate to say American country music.
• 1:31:30
  It is. It is. It just hurts my feelings. And I'm
• 1:31:31
  like when people ask me kind of music, let's day, I'm like,
• 1:31:33
  well, I listen to everything from Mutan Clan to country and they're like,
• 1:31:36
  oh, like I said, Luke Combs or what's the other one? Like,
• 1:31:41
  um, Luke Bryan Luke Combs all the I'm like, no, I
• 1:31:45
  really don't, and that's how dig on them. It's literally like I can't
• 1:31:49
  relate to any of that music, Like, none of that speaks to me.
• 1:31:51
  That's not my experience as a Southern country boy. None of that ship
• 1:31:57
  makes sense to me. But I'm also old, so you know what at
• 1:32:00
  Aliens is not my experience either, But is banging ass album? Yeah?
• 1:32:04
  Well, but it's like when I listen to the Rutang Clan, I don't
• 1:32:08
  expect to relate to the South Carolina and all, he's in your lane.
• 1:32:15
  If he's he's irving, he's serving in your lane, you're from North Carolina.
• 1:32:18
  Like, hang on, now that's rot Kane song. I can relate
• 1:32:20
  to that, Yeah to it, but hang it. I don't have to
• 1:32:25
  be Rob Zombie to know that I love his album. Listen to also get
• 1:32:33
  like music. Great music is great music, but music is like anything else,
• 1:32:39
  though there's a fashionable aspect of music. If if your friends have decided
• 1:32:44
  they don't like that band anymore, you almost have to like keep that quiet
• 1:32:48
  and keep it like your friends. I give you shit about it, but
• 1:32:51
  you still like it because it's kind of out of fashion, but I still
• 1:32:56
  like it and also countries that way. And there's a I listened to a
• 1:33:00
  radio DJ sports radio thing in Dallas, and there's just one guy that thinks
• 1:33:03
  he knows everything about music, and I like what he has to say about
• 1:33:08
  sports. When he starts, it's it's an all embedded station in Dallas.
• 1:33:12
  It's kind of like this, there's no just sports. They talk about everything,
• 1:33:15
  dude stuff, and he thinks he knows everything, but all of a
• 1:33:18
  sudden, he's he's kind of a panic jam band, you know, goes
• 1:33:23
  to ja. But he likes everything. But he has trouble accepting the fact
• 1:33:29
  he likes Turnpike Troubadours, because how do you have any hold on? Hold
• 1:33:38
  on? And the reason is is because he can't accept the fact. He
• 1:33:43
  can't accept the fact that they're country because he's never liked the country, because
• 1:33:46
  it's fashionable for he and his friend group to not like country. So everyone
• 1:33:55
  in the station, everyone in the station is like, dude, it's country.
• 1:33:58
  He's like no, it's American, Like no, no, no.
• 1:34:00
  Even the guy in the band that was a guest on the show a month
• 1:34:03
  ago admitted we are country music, but That's my point is, can I
• 1:34:10
  just say that's like saying you hate pizza because it's Italian. I mean basically
• 1:34:15
  that's the same thing. But this country music, yeah, there's no doubt
• 1:34:20
  the debatable, it's a lot of But the problem is the word country right
• 1:34:25
  now is out of fashion in that genre. So so in my opinion,
• 1:34:30
  I was talking with Bunkyotem, you know Bunkyotem that managed Allman Brothers and everything,
• 1:34:34
  and he and I were talking about that recently, and he says,
• 1:34:39
  he's a gritty I watched country go through. He's like, you know,
• 1:34:43
  Whalen and some of these guys, You couldn't book these guys once outlaw once
• 1:34:46
  the late seventies, early ages. You say, no, what are you
• 1:34:48
  talking about? Merle Haggard, Whalen Jennings. You could And it was like,
• 1:34:53
  what do you mean you couldn't book them there in legends? No,
• 1:34:56
  they so disco came U and the eighties pop country, the nineties country that
• 1:35:02
  we're all obsessed with was not country to the country guys, and if it
• 1:35:09
  but if it wasn't for them, so they he talked like he talked about
• 1:35:13
  how Randy Travis and George somebody's they had to bring they had to bring it
• 1:35:19
  back. That was your working man. And even though it's still watered down
• 1:35:24
  compared to Whaling and Hank and stuff like that, David Allen co songwriting,
• 1:35:29
  but at least it's almost like heavy metal. You could go anywhere, you
• 1:35:33
  know what I'm saying. Like, so they had to kind of. So
• 1:35:36
  we talk about how it's twenty three and it rolls in waves, and the
• 1:35:43
  answer to that, I think after taking you know, talking to old heads
• 1:35:46
  is pop culture. So like if you don't, if somebody's like Turnpike's not
• 1:35:53
  country, they're American and we need to say that fashionably. Yeah, it's
• 1:35:57
  because if you if we all live long enough, you will see. That's
• 1:36:00
  why Sturgil is king, Tyler is king, this guy Zach Brian is king.
• 1:36:06
  They're all king. And here in culture Wall and Bingham, Ryan Beingham,
• 1:36:11
  Billy Strings, all these people. Five years ago you were like,
• 1:36:14
  that's underground, that's out law. You can't. I used to see those
• 1:36:16
  guys in small Vis. Yeah, yeah, he can't get into him.
• 1:36:23
  It's I mean, so I watched, I watched, I watched Lucero open
• 1:36:28
  for Tyler or Ryan Bingham her birthday on my birthday in Charleston, and it
• 1:36:32
  was like a twenty dollars ticket at the Music Farm for Lucero opening for Bingham?
• 1:36:39
  Are you out of your guy? I kind of had that show right
• 1:36:41
  now, you can't apply. I don't know, well, Lusarah wouldn't be
• 1:36:44
  on the list. But like, and to Paul's point, you know the
• 1:36:47
  pop piece West and I played gigs and we've had guests on board and you
• 1:36:51
  know we'll play you know, do you know rock Salton Nails And they're like,
• 1:36:56
  no, we know Feathered Indians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:37:00
  pop. Yeah, totally for sure. It's just the whole thing is a
• 1:37:04
  big evolution. And what I'm tired of is having to like be scared to
• 1:37:11
  admit that I like a certain band. Music should not be like that.
• 1:37:14
  It all, it all started happening when image, image was more important than
• 1:37:18
  music. I promise you I won't say shit unless you tell me you're into
• 1:37:20
  Florida Georgia line, because at that point on that I'll turn this table.
• 1:37:26
  Wait, that's a bar. I've been to that bar. I got really
• 1:37:32
  Georgia, well, Florabama, Flora and maybe these guys playing a song or
• 1:37:41
  two. I would love to hear them play a song. I keep saying
• 1:37:44
  the song or too, it's truly maybe one song is good. We're gonna
• 1:37:47
  start out with three Birds Stairway to Heaven a twenty five minute. Halfway through
• 1:37:55
  that set, if I start harmonizing with you, don't hate you heard he
• 1:37:59
  does have a singing please play. I have a voice and I sing friends
• 1:38:03
  in places. We're gonna have these guys play calls boys guys fiddling his chin,
• 1:38:13
  just rushing and we's guy's guitar in the rock. I will say the
• 1:38:17
  song Statesman's please, because I was born to be old man, never been
• 1:38:35
  a shame show Hannaway, hell me song, I knew that's you. Never
• 1:38:47
  ever there me go, seasons changed and mooning around, just falling in and
• 1:39:00
  out of love. You pick me up. You dragged me down so many
• 1:39:09
  roads that if you live, have no share my life with you and little
• 1:39:20
  across your line no exactly where arrived night, leaning on me, saying hard
• 1:39:33
  of fun you shouldn't know, saying I Carolina, why you hurt? Having
• 1:39:48
  a nice off moment. Time he'll drive on my scart, middling stole my
• 1:39:59
  hard now your low countries after mind, super said all store can maybe give
• 1:40:40
  your coach to chip you work on me like seeing it be short. We
• 1:40:50
  just keep saying over time when it arrives, call on ope love how always,
• 1:41:09
  because I like to think that all we could keep it all together.
• 1:41:15
  Deep Di, I know you feel safe, Carolina. Why you heard having
• 1:41:29
  an I serve holl the time. He'll rum scars business on my heart.
• 1:41:39
  Now give Low Countries after my mind, the hills, ruin the scarves,
• 1:41:48
  the middlings, oh my heart, now Low Countries after. I feel like
• 1:42:14
  we had a pretty good recording there. It might we might like go to
• 1:42:17
  the next place and be like, okay, we can't hear that's sound of
• 1:42:20
  good. That's kind of good here here, I've heard it and I could
• 1:42:24
  never not hear it. Yeah, oh that's good. I'm gonna man,
• 1:42:28
  this is this is I'm having a day day out of here on more than
• 1:42:30
  us. Yeah, yeah, sure, Hey you don't have to create Charles
• 1:42:34
  guns on the player flyer verwe it's out. Yeah, yeah, we got
• 1:42:40
  you want to do a lot of the gun or do you have no one
• 1:42:42
  on your hard every one. I'm just here for the good time. You
• 1:42:45
  just come in through the window wind winter stacking tough. The wind had a
• 1:43:02
  fearful way back when I was still a long shell. How a dream for
• 1:43:08
  me that I didn't even now with myself. You can't hide it. What's
• 1:43:15
  a feeling in your arm? So I hit the time, playing all around,
• 1:43:24
  playing everywhere? Right, go get the fox. Fooling all sounds more
• 1:43:30
  than one man shoes. I don't mind when works. I think it's time.
• 1:43:45
  Leave the bag round and I Steven Sody, please load the gun.
• 1:43:58
  You well fast forward a few years more and I sing a song as that
• 1:44:04
  I tried to command of time. Then, Paul, don't lean in mind
• 1:44:13
  how I tried steel, I fame to me. He suit don't know,
• 1:44:23
  Brado, I'm gonna play my track. Know you pull when you can't the
• 1:44:29
  board for a man to call you back. I don't mind. I don't
• 1:44:34
  worry in my mind. I leave it, Sid leave cry. Somebody please
• 1:44:56
  load the gun. I don't mind. We don't work this more fun.
• 1:45:30
  I think it's time me bg crime. I'm stilling here, d in my
• 1:45:43
  side. Nobody leaves. Load gone. You gotta redo that ar school that
• 1:46:10
  it's the real thing. Keep the last thing roding. That's right, that
• 1:46:14
  was good. That's fun. Thanks guys, that's so good Jordan. We'll
• 1:46:19
  get this back in so good. God, nice to meet you. So
• 1:46:24
  bleas a good jobs aired gun. He just comes to the window and I'll
• 1:46:33
  go out the same. Holy shit, dude, So is it tests?
• 1:46:39
  We gotta larm my soft blue Never We're all good. The blue for real
• 1:46:46
  is the video and leaving which leaving one, I'm leaving the window, Oh
• 1:46:51
  yeah, yeah, got He's gotta leave the same way he came in in.
• 1:46:57
  Can you chances light? Coors Light? Is that the a? Okay?
• 1:47:06
  Let? That brought a little bit of Yeah, so along those lines,
• 1:47:16
  Uh, you know, obviously every band's going to have a couple of
• 1:47:21
  songs the I feel like the crowd kind of has to hear. Are there
• 1:47:26
  ever, those moments where you're kind of like, man, I'm just not
• 1:47:29
  in the mood to play that song tonight, even though like I feel like
• 1:47:32
  loading Load the Guns kind of that song a little bit for me at least,
• 1:47:36
  I'm like, I love it if they play that song, but I'd
• 1:47:39
  leave fine if they didn't. But are there any songs that uh, people
• 1:47:44
  are kind of yelling out? Like, think of all these songs, all
• 1:47:46
  these bands that have been playing for thirty years and the crowd, like Freebird
• 1:47:53
  is there in a night where you don't feel kind of like you want to
• 1:47:56
  play that song, you should be good keep talking hello. I think that
• 1:48:03
  you know, with as far as like covers go, certainly, we we
• 1:48:09
  went out and did a We were on a boat a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:48:12
  and they were requesting really good songs, really good artists, but like
• 1:48:18
  you're not going to do Stairway to Heaven or a Free Broady. That's the
• 1:48:21
  reason why that that's a good joke is because you can apply that to twenty
• 1:48:27
  twenty three. It's still going on. People still request that stuff. Those
• 1:48:30
  are great songs. But as far as original songs, the only one that
• 1:48:34
  I have kind of I mean, no one wants to hear Sober Side of
• 1:48:39
  You. I mean that's a deep cut. Yeah, that's the deep cut.
• 1:48:46
  It's a good one, but on the album. But I mean,
• 1:48:50
  but I mean, I've got a couple. I've got a couple on there
• 1:48:54
  that are like, Okay, it's nine o'clock and everyone's had a couple of
• 1:48:57
  drinks or whatever. No one wants to hear so Over side of year,
• 1:49:00
  so that one's that one can be awkward. Tripping through the Fall can be
• 1:49:03
  awkward. But I would say it's all about timing and the venue when I
• 1:49:10
  would say to be on stage with you. One of the more surreal moments
• 1:49:14
  that we shared was on actually load the gun when he when we all cut
• 1:49:18
  out, somebody please, and then to hear the crowd say load the gun.
• 1:49:26
  That's a surreal moment. Get that back up for one second. Just
• 1:49:30
  I haven't heard the song, but at one in the morning, some of
• 1:49:34
  the girls, I would love to hear a suberciety. Everyone just say that
• 1:49:41
  it's one of my favorite It's one of my favorite songs. Sup. Porhouse's
• 1:49:45
  going to play it early? Then well, Poorhouse is cool enough where I
• 1:49:49
  can play. So you're worried, Okay, Yeah, I totally get it.
• 1:49:55
  Like time, timings, everything, timings, everything, timing, the
• 1:50:00
  venue. We know if you're you know, if you're out late and people
• 1:50:03
  are serving alcohol, then the culture of that place, the expectation of that
• 1:50:09
  place. Although Boyd will tell you I really don't care. I mean,
• 1:50:12
  I've played. I played Tripping through the Fall at the wind Jammer at eleven
• 1:50:17
  o'clock some at Night. Yeah, that's not a song you do. But
• 1:50:21
  I was already doing, you know. Jim James said his grandmother gave him
• 1:50:28
  that whole Jim James. Isn't that just Jim Jim Jim James. Wouldn't that
• 1:50:31
  be Jim Jim My Maureen Jackets, He said his grandmother. I think I
• 1:50:36
  might be getting this wrong, but I think his grandma they gave him the
• 1:50:39
  line like bars are dark and lonely and talk is cheap. Oh what I
• 1:50:45
  think his grandmother gave him that line for sure, bars and dark, dark
• 1:50:49
  and lonely. Oh, Jim Jim's gammy, Oh, you can hit somebody
• 1:50:54
  in the heart. I mean, you're one person out there waiting for that
• 1:50:58
  song. It just depends on if you if it's time to invest that moment
• 1:51:01
  for that one. That's the art, Like, that's an artist. Like
• 1:51:04
  I'm certain big bands can't have a playlist and they're gonna stick to it.
• 1:51:08
  But when you're in small venues and you're you have to read the room,
• 1:51:11
  like you said, and like I think that's part of the art. Is
• 1:51:14
  like the right song at the wrong time loses a little, it might still
• 1:51:16
  be fine and it'll play and everybody. I have a good time, but
• 1:51:18
  like it may not hit, like it might hit if you hit it at
• 1:51:21
  the right moment. I wouldn't do one thing I'll say to West's credit is
• 1:51:28
  he's gonna capitalize on the musicality, no matter to the venue. So a
• 1:51:32
  lot of the times you'll see our show and you know, intermission, him
• 1:51:39
  and I will play through it and to purposely play those songs that may touch
• 1:51:44
  one person in the crowd. Yeah, it may not have everybody dancing or
• 1:51:47
  or what have you, but it may be that one one song that resonates
• 1:51:53
  with somebody, So it can be. Yeah, nobody at Poorhouse a lot
• 1:51:59
  of times wants to you're, you know, crying music. But he's gonna
• 1:52:02
  capitalize on that. But I mean, I appreciate it. I mean it
• 1:52:05
  could be. It can be awkward. It got awkward at wind Jammer Paul
• 1:52:10
  was there where. That was the set, That was what I wanted to
• 1:52:13
  do. I did dear mister meantime and tripping through the fall. Pedal Steel
• 1:52:16
  stayed out there and Jamal Saxophone stayed out there. I've felt it leave me.
• 1:52:24
  I'm a human being. I told Scotty, I was like I felt
• 1:52:27
  it leave. I get it. It's not that I can't read the room.
• 1:52:30
  What do you mean it left? Like you're standing there and there was
• 1:52:32
  four hundred and twenty five people at the Windjammer. Okay, so imagine like
• 1:52:38
  and they're not outside, like yeah, they're back. Then there is no
• 1:52:41
  shirts. They're hammering drunk budwise a bikini contest, right, yeah, Paul
• 1:52:45
  cut his shirt off. So here we are and and we have this killer
• 1:52:53
  first set. In my opinion, the energy was good. Yeah, and
• 1:52:57
  then all of a sudden it was like, all right, I want to
• 1:53:00
  of the back line of break. I want to do this part of the
• 1:53:01
  show. I don't. I don't take a break. I just play too
• 1:53:04
  acoustic, all these sitting down. Or I'll come up and say, hey,
• 1:53:08
  I want to tell you a story, and I'll do yehs two slower
• 1:53:11
  bpm songs. And I felt it leave because you felt the vibe leave.
• 1:53:16
  Yes, I felt the energy leave. Well, the interest here's the thing,
• 1:53:21
  No one is sober there you're talking about we had an opener that didn't
• 1:53:28
  We didn't go on stage till ten twenty five. Yeah, So when you
• 1:53:30
  go on at ten twenty five five and get my feeling, sir. It's
• 1:53:32
  like from ten twenty five to eleven twenty five grade. Now you're at eleven
• 1:53:36
  thirty eleven thirty five, and you're playing two songs that mean a lot to
• 1:53:41
  you, that are on the record. Whatever these people can't and their alphabet.
• 1:53:45
  It's just like an energy going up. So I felt it leave,
• 1:53:48
  I felt everything, not only it get quiet, but not in a good
• 1:53:53
  way. I felt it get quiet. But if that's it, that's at
• 1:53:57
  seven o'clock that if I played Sober How to Be Right Now in front of
• 1:54:01
  this intimate group, it would get quiet in a good way. Okay,
• 1:54:06
  So along those lines, what are your favorite places to play? Like the
• 1:54:13
  best places you have played where you have felt like the energy is like do
• 1:54:18
  you have any sponsors? Yeah, Lifewater, Paul's so where nothing gets sucked
• 1:54:27
  out of you because question yeah yeah, And before you answer that, before
• 1:54:32
  you answer that real quick, I will say that when that happened, like
• 1:54:38
  I felt it was an appropriate time to do all that, And the typical
• 1:54:43
  bro has been drinking on the beach all day left because he didn't give a
• 1:54:46
  ship, not they didn't give a ship, but he just didn't care at
• 1:54:49
  that moment and the people that appreciate music and those type of segues were there
• 1:54:54
  and saw it. So you probably overthought it, which is understandable, which
• 1:54:59
  is me. And so I would like to know, like, what is
• 1:55:01
  the room that you can take these turns left and right where you know that
• 1:55:06
  it's not gonna matter. So that is important to somebody like me who loves
• 1:55:14
  stories. And all of my songs were written on acoustic guitar in my backyard
• 1:55:17
  in a shed, Yeah they were not. I didn't write the album with
• 1:55:23
  dreams of being in front of thousands of people sing along top forty bud light
• 1:55:29
  and bonfires. Yeah. I want to rip somebody's heart out with half of
• 1:55:33
  my songs. And I know that about me. So two things. One
• 1:55:39
  interesting. There was a guy who came up to me. It had to
• 1:55:43
  be one o'clock in the morning after the Wind Jamber show Sober as a priest
• 1:55:47
  walks up to me and goes, hey, I love Sober Side of You.
• 1:55:53
  We didn't play that night, he goes. He goes, that's my
• 1:55:55
  favorite song, thank you. I was like, my god. I was
• 1:55:59
  like, oh thanks man, Yeah, yeah, I can't play that tonight.
• 1:56:01
  But he's like, no, you don't have to play tonight. I
• 1:56:02
  just want to tell you that. And I said, oh, it's a
• 1:56:05
  song about my brother, you know whatever, that is a true story.
• 1:56:09
  Whatever, Thank you so much. He goes, tears in his eyes.
• 1:56:13
  He goes, it's me And it was one o'clock in the morning at the
• 1:56:18
  wind Jammer. He's sober, he's committed to that life. He gives me
• 1:56:23
  cold you like thinking about well gives me chills too, because I've told you
• 1:56:25
  my son, you know, he's given everything he has in his life to
• 1:56:33
  be there, and that that moment, Oh, he's there, he's giving
• 1:56:40
  everything, and it's one in the morning. Everybody else around him is drunk.
• 1:56:44
  He made it far enough though, just to respect himself to go wait
• 1:56:47
  a minute, I made it past eleven that if you ever needed affirmation that
• 1:56:53
  you were doing the right thing in your life, you've got it right.
• 1:56:58
  No, I cried, I do the right think in your life. That
• 1:57:00
  was That was the takeaway from that show. So then to and so then
• 1:57:05
  to answer your question, which is a great question, where do you go?
• 1:57:09
  What's your favorite place where there's the liberty right somebody's house? That is
• 1:57:15
  the answer. And I don't just say that because the pay is better,
• 1:57:20
  because the pay is like five times better than playing public shows. But when
• 1:57:27
  you end up at someone's house and they're the right people and you're on the
• 1:57:31
  back porch and or and and they're like, no, just play what you
• 1:57:38
  want to put. When you get to that point, they're like, and
• 1:57:40
  everyone is quiet. So it's not it's always like quality versus quality. I
• 1:57:45
  mean, quality wins every time. If there's twenty five people on a back
• 1:57:49
  porch on John's Island, you are going to have a moment and you're going
• 1:57:55
  to get to play and it's gonna be free. That's where I have that
• 1:57:58
  experience for music because it is um storytelling. I get to tell the story
• 1:58:03
  just like I wrote it, and if anybody has equally like I mean,
• 1:58:06
  it's an ego thing that's kind of tapping in Like selfishly, I love that,
• 1:58:10
  Whereas like if you put me in front of Credit One Stadium, which
• 1:58:15
  is awesome, but if I got up there and was like, all right,
• 1:58:18
  I want to play you this song, and it's hard to touch somebody
• 1:58:21
  individually, they're not well, they're not there to be touched, So that
• 1:58:25
  I think that's an idea of like, don't get your feeling. I have
• 1:58:27
  to tell me. It's like, don't get your feelings hurt um, like
• 1:58:30
  Graham says, get in where you fit in. But here's what I know.
• 1:58:34
  There is a crowd in Charleston when these guys, these country guys like
• 1:58:40
  Shoulders Sturgil, when they come to town, people pay high dollar, stupid
• 1:58:45
  money to go see them, me included. And so I know that people
• 1:58:49
  want to hear a story. I know people want to hear a real,
• 1:58:54
  authentic country story. So I'm not going to give up on it. I'm
• 1:58:59
  just got, I've got I put myself. Here's the key I tell him.
• 1:59:01
  My team that's helping me book now is like, don't put me playing
• 1:59:05
  at midnight. I'm not a midnight guy. Yeah, put me playing at
• 1:59:09
  seven eight o'clock. Put me opening up for somebody. I don't care.
• 1:59:13
  I don't have to be the headliner. Let me tell these well. I
• 1:59:17
  saw to that point. I saw Bingham twice, right, and once he
• 1:59:21
  was the headliner. Once he was opening for Lucerah, which they explained at
• 1:59:25
  that show that they had been trapped. They've been touring together, and what
• 1:59:28
  they did every night they flipped a coin and whoever won the coin toss open
• 1:59:30
  and whoever didn't because they didn't feel like they had the right to trump.
• 1:59:33
  It was the whole thing. But anyway, the night I saw that show,
• 1:59:36
  Bingham opened and he was early. And in that show he did the
• 1:59:41
  first Step, you know, Sunshine and all those like high energy songs that
• 1:59:44
  Bingham has and really good. And then he gave his band, like you
• 1:59:46
  said, he gave the backline a break and he just sat down on the
• 1:59:49
  stool and he had his hat and his thing, and they cut the lights
• 1:59:51
  and he started saying and he did Hallelujah at an early crowd at the at
• 1:59:57
  the Music Farm, and I swear to God, now, huh no his
• 2:00:01
  Hallelujah. Bingham has a song called Hallelujah. Just it's a different song.
• 2:00:09
  Really, Oh that's a Ryan Arab so no, it's a everybody I guess.
• 2:00:15
  Anyway, Mike, Mike, you are ruining my story, killing me
• 2:00:19
  here bo. So like anyway, Halleujah, like you know the music Farm,
• 2:00:25
  you got the bar in the back, like there's never it's never quiet
• 2:00:27
  music farm, Like there's always clinking glasses and people water and you know,
• 2:00:30
  so a lot of people have gone to the bar during this kind of intermission
• 2:00:33
  slash kind of slow down. I was at the bar for that matter,
• 2:00:38
  and I'm getting a beer and the bartenders stopped moving. Everybody in that building
• 2:00:43
  stopped moving, everybody in the middle and turned around and looked at that stage,
• 2:00:46
  and you could have heard a fucking pin drop in the in the music
• 2:00:50
  farm, which is never quiet, and he sang the whole song and nobody
• 2:00:55
  made a fart or a sound or anything else until he finished it. I
• 2:00:59
  was like, whole. So that's better than any drug he'll ever take.
• 2:01:01
  So that's the high of a high. So you know how you are out
• 2:01:04
  on the water and you're you're doing these things that the purpose that the sun
• 2:01:08
  is this and the water is this, and the fish of this. That
• 2:01:12
  is the perfect phrase storyteller, like being them to be the opener. It's
• 2:01:16
  very cheeky to be like, he's just just bartender. Stop moving in the
• 2:01:20
  farm. They didn't. Nobody got a drink during that song. Everybody dripping
• 2:01:25
  your heart out that there is no upper downer, there's nothing that can take
• 2:01:30
  you there like a like because not it sounds like hippie, but like that
• 2:01:36
  the you get off all that stuff. Human energy is really you can feel
• 2:01:42
  it. Oh yeah, and he can feel it. And so when somebody
• 2:01:45
  so we recently got reined in when we went up and did a fundraiser for
• 2:01:49
  UM up in Columbia. We're with a group and the location was, uh
• 2:01:56
  steel Hands, and they had this they catered in all but Hobart Charter like
• 2:02:00
  had this thing in Casey, like Columbia. It's a Columbia area, but
• 2:02:05
  it's one of the Brown Nail it's one of the largest breweries. Oh no,
• 2:02:10
  I've drank a play of steel Hands. It's good. I'm a Pecan
• 2:02:15
  guy. But if we go there, he'll be out the window. But
• 2:02:24
  but we were at steel Hands. They had like so Mark Brian's son played
• 2:02:29
  and another they it was a fundraiser nonprofit called sound Bites and they raised money
• 2:02:34
  for instruments for for kids and say they group of a blue grass players from
• 2:02:39
  like Pickens County or something. Then they had Prettier than Matt, which is
• 2:02:43
  my friend Jessica Skinner play And then by the time we got on it was
• 2:02:46
  running late. It was get and all of a sudden it started to rain
• 2:02:49
  and it was like, oh no, we're so sorry, and y'all it
• 2:02:55
  was a six piece up there, and we had driven. It was on
• 2:02:58
  a Wednesday night, it was a couple of weeks ago. And well,
• 2:03:00
  no, it's cool. We'll just makes He's like, are you sure?
• 2:03:02
  What are we gonna do? The owners of Still Hands, Hobart, everybody
• 2:03:05
  there with nonprofit. We push in. There's about forty people and still picture
• 2:03:11
  up big brewery like Westbrook like something here locally holy city, like a bigger
• 2:03:15
  one indoors and we're like, and I thought to myself, this is either
• 2:03:20
  drummer Ben didn't drum. He pulled his banjo out, so now he's not
• 2:03:24
  drumming at all. He goes straight, We've got a banjo player acoustic stuff.
• 2:03:29
  And I was like, this is either gonna go really Noah went from
• 2:03:32
  electric to accoustic. I was like, it's gonna go really well, or
• 2:03:35
  no one in here is gonna care. But you could have heard a pin
• 2:03:41
  drop, and for me, that was worth. It was a moment and
• 2:03:45
  it was undeniable for everybody there, not saying we were changing the world or
• 2:03:48
  anything, but just the human beings. We're gonna go all right, they're
• 2:03:54
  making this sacrifice there's nothing there, and you're just as powerful on the other
• 2:03:59
  side of a mormants as a person with the microphone. Because and it was
• 2:04:03
  forty people that just like we get tuned in, tuned into what we were
• 2:04:06
  done. Then we called my friend up there and she's saying with us,
• 2:04:10
  and end up being a moment think about how hard it is to herd people,
• 2:04:14
  to herd cats, herding cats, to get forty people though, to
• 2:04:18
  all in Unison stop what they're doing and listen, how hard is that to
• 2:04:25
  do? That's impossible. And West didn't have the ability to you know,
• 2:04:30
  started playing. You just started and that's that's that's almost better. It's like
• 2:04:35
  all of a sudden, somebody's having a beer. When I was here,
• 2:04:39
  it was like, but Bingham did it, Bingham did it for five hundred
• 2:04:43
  plus. Yeah. Yeah, But like I didn't say that to like to
• 2:04:46
  like dog you guys. I was just saying, like, that was a
• 2:04:48
  moment I was a part of as a spectator at a bar that I couldn't
• 2:04:53
  get a beer out because the bartenders weren't serving for three minutes of that song.
• 2:04:57
  But yeah, like I get it, Like I can't imagine, I
• 2:04:59
  can't and he never broke stride. Of course, he's a professional. It's
• 2:05:01
  what he does. But like, I can't imagine, like you said,
• 2:05:04
  you can feel. I felt the energy. The energy was crawling all over
• 2:05:06
  me. And I'm at the back of the room. I can't imagine everybody's
• 2:05:11
  staring at him. He's the front of room, so all that shit's being
• 2:05:13
  pushed his way. I can't imagine what you feel sitting on that stool by
• 2:05:16
  yourself, on the acoustic guitar with five hundred plus just on you, like
• 2:05:23
  all on you. It's the most magical feeling I've ever had. And his
• 2:05:26
  like his question of like where do you go? Yeah, like to go
• 2:05:30
  to go to a house party and play. It's been the best. But
• 2:05:34
  the poorhouse. If I have to toot anybody's horn in Charleston, it is
• 2:05:39
  it is the poorhouse. They don't care what I play, they don't care
• 2:05:43
  who I bring. That's a music joint, man. They want to hear
• 2:05:46
  your stories. And I mean it's a jam bam bar. So we're going
• 2:05:54
  inside of Saturday, June twenty fourth. The next question, so it's gig.
• 2:06:00
  We got the main stage. When can people hear you? Next?
• 2:06:04
  So technically that is the next local full band show that I would like to
• 2:06:12
  promote his Saturday, June twenty fourth. Right, I won't be there,
• 2:06:15
  not because I can't wait to go, Michael, We'll be there, will
• 2:06:20
  be the weekend. It's the Saved Bodies Save Lives. Yes, I work
• 2:06:26
  every Friday Saturday. Here's what I want to do. We're getting counted to
• 2:06:30
  the not the wire, but we're getting you know, we're getting towards the
• 2:06:33
  somewhat end. I wanted to uh, I want to get to. Yes,
• 2:06:40
  what you want to do? I did all of a sudden. I
• 2:06:43
  feel like it's because we dumped a bottle of frigate rum, frigate rum.
• 2:06:48
  I want to tell a story. I got a story to tell. I
• 2:06:51
  got a story to tell that involves these guys. And then we're gonna get
• 2:06:56
  scooped to do another promo for Fregate because lord knows, it's been about ninety
• 2:07:00
  minutes since we've mentioned frigate. And they will not accept they will not accept
• 2:07:04
  that. There straight up slaver. I mean, they're paying us a lot
• 2:07:09
  of money for this, big big bucks and then we're not going to go
• 2:07:13
  to breaker anything. We're gonna get this straight into Richard k So. All
• 2:07:15
  right, that's fine, that's fair, y'all gonna get to meet Richard k
• 2:07:17
  So character. So it was about three o'clock one day. I don't remember
• 2:07:24
  when it was. It was this fault. I'm sitting here painting in this
• 2:07:27
  corner over here, and my phone rings. It's I think it was your
• 2:07:30
  numbers. One of y'alls too. It's like, hey, man, what
• 2:07:33
  are you doing. That's like, that's a good man. I'm I'm just
• 2:07:38
  painting because well, I got I got a Western Carolina I gotta I got
• 2:07:45
  a favor or it was either favor or I got a question. And I
• 2:07:49
  hear Boyd board's right here too, and they're here, Boyd like talking,
• 2:07:55
  and I'm just sitting there going, yeah, man, I'm thinking, like
• 2:07:58
  you need me to like bring an an up or something locally to you.
• 2:08:01
  I don't don't. I don't know what's going on. He's like, we're
• 2:08:03
  up here in Colombia and we're playing the Governor's Mansion tonight and Noah can't be
• 2:08:09
  here. You think you can get here in about two hours. I'm like
• 2:08:13
  what and I'm and they're like, yeah, we're playing the Governor's mansion tonight
• 2:08:20
  and we need we need you, we need you to be here essentially,
• 2:08:24
  and you and you say to to to like I'm looking at my right.
• 2:08:28
  Yeah you need a right, does somebody need to get up forget you?
• 2:08:33
  Even after we still didn't understand for five minutes we talked sober yeah, and
• 2:08:37
  then he said, this is three o'clock. You guys have sound check at
• 2:08:41
  five. And he goes for music. He goes, you want me to
• 2:08:45
  After five minutes talking, he goes, you want me to play guitar?
• 2:08:48
  I'm like, yeah, well, well give a bit of backstory getting in
• 2:08:52
  that thing. U Jamal Hall, our dear beloved sex trying I forgot about.
• 2:09:00
  He used to run papers for the posting courrier and uh, between the
• 2:09:05
  hours of normal operation for any other human of society. He's he's he's great.
• 2:09:11
  Yeah. Yeah. So we had no idea if Jamal Hall was gonna
• 2:09:18
  be his phone. No, we couldn't get him to the fucking and get
• 2:09:20
  him to answer. So I said, so, yeah, you didn't have
• 2:09:22
  a guit harst, but having a saxophone kind of like right, But then
• 2:09:26
  he was supposed to be the he was manned down. We were we were
• 2:09:28
  manned down. So we were sitting at what was the location think lived.
• 2:09:33
  We were in a bar in the vista, right right there in the vista,
• 2:09:35
  I said, wes call mister Pucket. This was imagine being there sitting
• 2:09:41
  at the bar, like five. They called me like three best the best
• 2:09:45
  part in West until better is Paul answering us? Ah what he said?
• 2:09:50
  He I got? I'm gonna call him straight up? I said. He
• 2:09:54
  picks up yo. I say, hey man, what's going on? I'm
• 2:09:58
  just in a STUDENTO just you know, cutting the loose babe, and what's
• 2:10:03
  up? What are you doing? Coming down out bad? Yeah? It
• 2:10:05
  really was that, like what's up with you? What's up with you?
• 2:10:09
  Gritty? I said, hey man? Uh sweat, hey man, just
• 2:10:15
  thinking, um, I might tell you a curveball here. You're like,
• 2:10:20
  okay, all right, what's up homie? I was like, no,
• 2:10:24
  seriously, what are you doing the rest of the day? Like he got,
• 2:10:26
  you know, he was like a Wednesday. It was like a r
• 2:10:31
  It was a Tuesday. Okay, Tuesday usually a good option to cast someone
• 2:10:35
  say what are you and he goes, I don't know what what do you
• 2:10:39
  need? And then we talked for five minutes about um, and then you're
• 2:10:41
  finally used to tell him just ask him. I was like, just get
• 2:10:45
  it out there. He's like, you want me to play like guitar and
• 2:10:48
  west kind of timidly he goes, you know, I don't mean to inconvenience,
• 2:10:52
  but but um, you know what's you know what's hilarious about this?
• 2:10:56
  Though? I said, just send me a song list. I'm mac and
• 2:11:00
  all cool. He sends me a song this, I'm like the whole time.
• 2:11:01
  Now listen to Spotify song and it's great about the key, like like
• 2:11:07
  key of a I'm like, okay, if we do, I'm like,
• 2:11:11
  you know so well? And then to to to Paul's credit West. You
• 2:11:16
  know where they had us at the Governor's mansion was in the Rutledge. Yeah,
• 2:11:22
  just next door to the Governor's litter up stairs with Miss Peggy, Henry
• 2:11:26
  McMahon and Henry McMahon in the like, hey boys, y'all playing? Can
• 2:11:31
  I get y'all? Do y'all want to shaft? Y'all want to? Shasta
• 2:11:39
  arrives in short sortip flops, stats and a cowboy and the stats and cowboy
• 2:11:43
  hat. How y'all doing? And it looked like the picture picture, So
• 2:11:50
  picture every um picture like in a movie, like an action movie Tom Cruise,
• 2:11:56
  Like everything slows down, something's about to blow up, everyone's running away.
• 2:12:00
  So a picture that um Governor's mansion in Colombia. Paul puckets in shorts,
• 2:12:07
  in a cowboy hat and a suit when a guitar case walking in the
• 2:12:11
  governsment passed the guard station. He doesn't see it, but behind him earpieces
• 2:12:16
  everybody's starting to go, I tell this story like that. I don't think
• 2:12:20
  he's ever heard this very He pulls up in the van in the Predator van
• 2:12:24
  also literally has the Predator on the back of heat. Yeah. Literally,
• 2:12:33
  he's in the Predator van and he's got like I'm like, oh god,
• 2:12:37
  I'm here for the greedy fire right man. And that's what and and and
• 2:12:41
  it's a long wall of the Governor's matches. It's brick pay and it's a
• 2:12:43
  long wall. And now this is what I see. Seven people, dogs
• 2:12:48
  on the ground. We have been snipped since we got out of the car.
• 2:12:50
  Dogs on the ground, and they don't know it. They're closing in
• 2:12:54
  on him. He doesn't know it. If I could have had like some
• 2:12:56
  sort of music in the background to this, and I am like mall walking
• 2:13:03
  to get out there, like hey, he's with me, heyy, because
• 2:13:07
  he's in there full cowboy ass. Oh. I think he's like he come
• 2:13:13
  in hot tea. It was a Texas may He's like. The funny thing
• 2:13:16
  is you guys told me, oh, they're gonna get background checks, You're
• 2:13:18
  gonna get all this stuff. They didn't ask me a single damn question.
• 2:13:22
  I pulled into that white with the white van, creepy is all get out
• 2:13:28
  to be fair. You look like they're people, So it was well they
• 2:13:31
  didn't. They didn't. They didn't ever ask me one thing. I think
• 2:13:33
  either mass point or the complete opposite. There he's delivering food, yeah,
• 2:13:39
  yeah, and the only where I'm delivering sex. Just you're a little early.
• 2:13:45
  You need to be all bank hot, sweet nothing. If I gotta
• 2:13:48
  be the one to stop this man. The only music that played in my
• 2:13:50
  head as Pap Bucket Road was smoking in the bandit well, he never saw
• 2:13:56
  it. They were closing in on him. They're about to take him down
• 2:13:58
  to the ground down, and and I'm running out there going to get We're
• 2:14:03
  good, We're gonna okay, Like he's with us, he's with us and
• 2:14:07
  and ended up being a smooth knight to where he plays guitar at the Governor's
• 2:14:11
  mansion. And it was fun. We go in and and and the government.
• 2:14:15
  Y'all made it easy on me though too. Y'all probably pick like the
• 2:14:18
  most basic team. I feel like we should add that as we approach before
• 2:14:22
  Paul Tomor Hall walked out of the yeah, as as if he no big
• 2:14:28
  deal from the Governor's mansion, as if he had had brunch with and welcomed
• 2:14:33
  us in, like, Hey, what's up, guys. I'm like,
• 2:14:35
  dude, you got about seventeen and that's calls on your phone when you turn
• 2:14:37
  it on. He's like, what do you tell you? Oh god?
• 2:14:41
  Oh I mean it's he had runch, Oh yeah with the governor. Him
• 2:14:46
  and Deputy Dogg were over there is high five and she putting like a bootineer
• 2:14:50
  in him. Greed fly rot. Let's let's start phasing this down. Let's
• 2:15:00
  Sarah, thank you's, and uh do our appreciations to forget. Let's do
• 2:15:05
  a quick scoop. Let's do a quick you're gonna do? Is this case
• 2:15:09
  the coming through saw jam Van out back? Uh? Neither because I gotta
• 2:15:18
  take one to Florida and once Tuesday for the Artifa. Get that. I'm
• 2:15:22
  not gonna say what it's called that other stuff over there. Yeah, there's
• 2:15:28
  other bourbon too, Pipers. The rumna shall not be mentioned. A right,
• 2:15:35
  here we go. That's nowhere near what we just drink. Well,
• 2:15:39
  I think this is the right one to play. Hell, let's see listening
• 2:15:43
  to these idiots, Rambolan. This last segments were brought to you by the
• 2:15:48
  fine people forget run. Not just a drink. It's an experience, whether
• 2:15:54
  you're sipping a neat luxuriating and it's a squisite. I'm mixing up a colla,
• 2:16:00
  I said, cocktail that would transport you back to the gland last night,
• 2:16:03
  to the nineteen forties. Oh my god, freak it Rome, y'alln't
• 2:16:07
  take it to the good life. Take it away, you boys. Freaget
• 2:16:11
  you round, all right, So we're gonna get y'all about to meet Richard.
• 2:16:13
  Kay, so go get Richard real quick. And by the way,
• 2:16:18
  so thanks y'all. This is gonna be by by a segue. Y'all stick
• 2:16:22
  around. They don't leave. Let's you just have to Richard. Okay,
• 2:16:26
  go get Richard. Uh, and if you'll have any questions for Richard,
• 2:16:28
  feel free to ask. I think I know his sister. Okay, perfect,
• 2:16:33
  if you're talking about where's she from again? Now this is a girl
• 2:16:37
  that's from him, like Marlborough County. Here's a side sack sack. Sorry,
• 2:16:58
  hello there, flood time fail, it's a flood time or we're just
• 2:17:03
  doing a ballot it? Yeah, so confused. I used to be in
• 2:17:07
  the Paul's housing. It was a flood time and we had all the boxes
• 2:17:11
  there. Oh there's steel boxes. Ever will the water box these fellas.
• 2:17:16
  I heard some fit of music when I was out there. Yeah, look
• 2:17:20
  at your Oh my goodness. I was out there in two shipping and I
• 2:17:24
  saw shoeing on top of the ban and you shouldn't see me the neighbors.
• 2:17:26
  But not real happen. But it was a delightful bit of music coming out
• 2:17:31
  of the office here, Paul. I'm not used to good music out as
• 2:17:33
  office. Usually this you wouldn't here banging on your guitar making random noises.
• 2:17:39
  So anyway, what's going on, Paul, sir? You're still living out
• 2:17:41
  in the parking lot. Heyin't look, man, I figured it out between
• 2:17:46
  the barnex door and all these hippies with the officers in here. Nobody pays
• 2:17:52
  attention to the power bill Paul at five o'clock. I just moved the blood
• 2:17:56
  around make the van look inconspicuous out near the marsh. And she hadn't let
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  your air stream out. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't even tell. I
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  decorated with some palm fronds and it just blends right in. I mean,
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  we are in an industrial district, you know, all these hippies that get
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  the air streams that make them into offices and stuff. Anybody think it's one
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  of these I don't know, urban design leagues or something. Shit, I
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  don't know. When I'm in there making my possom grease and my coon claw
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  powder and we're just having a life, you know. Speaking of which,
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  Yes, I want to talk to you about the coon claw powder. Yeah,
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  so there was a lawsuit and I came out on top, but only
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  by the skin of my teeth or the skin of a coon's claw, however
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  you want to look at it. But yeah, we're back on the market.
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  I am repackaging. I had to change some verbage on the back of
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  the label. Okay, but yes, coon claw powder back in stock y.
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  Yeah. So anyway, I'm coming out with a new product though,
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  and they're starting to work on some some U see grape wine, grape one.
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  I'm gonna try something for you right now. The really unifor that was
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  the ce grape vinegar. I hit the wrong bottle, but yeah, the
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  sea grape wine at the new product U. My friend Barron down and the
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  keys. He taught me how to make it. I hadn't figured it.
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  Have you been to the keys lately, Mike? And then were just down
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  there last week? Yeah? Yeah, let's just say it was a long
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  ride in the back of an F one position. But yeah, I wasn't
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  the keys for full five days and and I made my way back up.
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  There's a friendly truck drive on to keep a hot fine two out there.
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  Uh, he got me a lift back up nine to five. I hoofed
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  it from from brewfoot. But yeah, so we got the gritty fly ride
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  boys in the house who just get in there on the mic. Now we're
• 2:19:48
  gonna be whispering buying people's backs. Hey man, I want to ask you
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  about your take on BUCkies by Oh that's a good question, I tell you
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  right now. So I'm in some big talks with the people over the bugget.
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  Yeah, they were trying to get the coon crawl patter on the shelf.
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  You've seen buget. It's like a Walmart. And the noko had a
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  baby, and then that baby it smokes the meth and came out swinging a
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  baseball bat. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever themed. It
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  was going. Have you bottled that squirrel tail stew that you some problems with
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  that? See, I don't know if you've ever smelled a squirrel that's been
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  bottled for more than a week or two. It's not pleasant, Paul,
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  I haven't got the recipe down. I had that squirreltail sit stew, the
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  squirreltail suit with the lightful but getting into last longer than a week in a
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  bottle coming into I'm not gonna lie to you. I've been working on it,
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  but I mean doing so many times. You can fumigate a anstream camp,
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  but before the aluminum starts to take on some sense, and now so
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  and now you're in you're in the fermitting, not fumigating. I'm in them
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  more than fuma game. But I've had a ful game enough that I could
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  have a business by now. Yeah, well I need comments. Yeah,
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  but if you feel it, if you're fermenting enough, you're gonna have to
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  fum game a Benjamin. That's how that works. Well yeah, so,
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  uh, hey, I've gotten a mail sack for you here. You got
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  oh you know, I wonder what happened to that? Well, so it
• 2:21:22
  looks like it's let's see w listen from Spartanburg County. W listen from Fernbuck
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  County. Okay, Tho, I've always I've always wanted to fly fish,
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  but I'm more of a nudist. Does that work with being on the bowl
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  of a boat and having someone guide me? Look, man, as long
• 2:21:43
  if you don't turn around, I don't think anybody really can. I mean,
• 2:21:46
  everybody's seen a man's death, right, we look at him in the
• 2:21:50
  shower at the gym and all that. I'm never look you just face twelve
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  o'clock. If that fish goes nine o'clock, you don't get that shot.
• 2:21:56
  I don't want a profile off you're in. Are you trying to fish to
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  the fish? So you know, yeah, I think it'll be the right
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  cat and kind of that's await them. But for me personally, as long
• 2:22:07
  as I don't make eye contact with it. I think we're fine, but
• 2:22:11
  that's just me. You know, you guys got a question for Richard at
• 2:22:13
  all? No, you got the quietest musicians I've heard. I've only had
• 2:22:20
  That was the only email we've had in two months. Well it's get a
• 2:22:22
  little low in the mail tech. But okay, Well, how long do
• 2:22:24
  you mean town? For as long as they'll let me that I don't June
• 2:22:31
  June twenty fourth. Is that maybe we could get you out to the show.
• 2:22:35
  Oh yeah, the poor well, hell you live back there half.
• 2:22:39
  Yeah, sometimes there's those of the back road that goes up against Fitz poor
• 2:22:41
  health. I may or may not have gotten into a lot of shows climbing
• 2:22:46
  the fence back there. It's a forgiving parking lot. Yeah, they don't
• 2:22:50
  mind at all. A bunch of hidden and they're selling candles and stuff like
• 2:22:52
  that. Anyway. Yeah, the coon claw powder and the possum greens will
• 2:22:56
  fit right in to be fine. Well, I did just want to talk
• 2:22:58
  about this. So what you're telling me is no nine or three o'clock gurgles
• 2:23:03
  on. Pretty much you're fishing from eleven to one. Anything outside of eleven
• 2:23:07
  o'clock to one o'clock if not your fish unless I turned the boat. Okay,
• 2:23:13
  no mangam tails. I no mangam tails at nine o'clock. That's not
• 2:23:18
  how that's gonna go. Alright, Paul, Well we've had a good show.
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  Look, man, I got some pothams on the ball out there,
• 2:23:24
  and I don't want to have a few McCain again, So I'm we'll get
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  out here. But I love you boys, GRETTI fly all right. Oh,
• 2:23:30
  I like you music through the wall, but y'all keep adding. I'm
• 2:23:33
  sure you'll make a throng one day or another. All right, average kicks
• 2:23:43
  inside. Well, I guess this is where we say goodbye. Yeah,
• 2:23:54
  I reckon. What a gentleman that was? Yeah about call. Yeah,
• 2:24:01
  he's a legend around us. Yeah, it seems to follow like three people.
• 2:24:07
  Is this just me saying this? I'd a turn, But boy,
• 2:24:09
  you're not the first one through the window here. Yeah, I'm pretty sure
• 2:24:18
  case that was probably with Jimmy. That thing more than one I appreciate about
• 2:24:20
  him is thinking outside of the window. Oh yeah, he's in the parking
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  lot. He was there before the whale, it was it was. He's
• 2:24:28
  been around, he knows, he's Park. He appreciate you guys coming though.
• 2:24:33
  Yeah, this has been a blast, probably the most fun we've had
• 2:24:35
  doing this in a long ast time. Yeah, it's been a minute.
• 2:24:37
  We had a Christmas show at one time. That dog got a like a
• 2:24:41
  five XL dirt Remember that I gave it to him and I read the gas
• 2:24:46
  station you go to they have actual shirts at the gas station. He got
• 2:24:52
  a five x It was a five xel long and I wrote barely live sessions
• 2:24:56
  on it and gave it to him for Christmas. But appreciate y'all coming.
• 2:25:01
  So June, poor, our show is June what twenty four. It's a
• 2:25:05
  Saturday night doors at eight o'clock. Meredith Foster is opening up. She's a
• 2:25:09
  great um singer songwriter here in Charleston. So check out Meredith Foster and Gritty
• 2:25:16
  fly Right six Peason. Yeah, you go to Spotify, check out Gritty
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  fly Right. Check it out, get your foundation in and uh come see
• 2:25:24
  the live show if you're in Charleston. Nice. Hey, guys, appreciate
• 2:25:28
  you, Thank you for having Thank you all right, beare the love of
• 2:25:31
  fans. Thanks for coming and drinking the frigate. We drank all that baby,
• 2:25:37
  Hey, Fregan, We're gonna do more. Run, I fall,
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  Losigh, take me home, But I mean my days away, and I
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  do that all