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CM Punk talks return_ untold stories _ relationship w_ Steph _ What_s Your Story_ With Steph McMah · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Twitter. Smart fans will still argue about it, like, oh,
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: it was approved, it was this, it was both. It
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  Speaker 1: was approved that it wasn't. Yeah, it was approved to
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  Speaker 1: a degree. And my instincts told me, like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying anything too bad. He can't if he's gonna be
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: mad at me, he's gonna be fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Mad at me, right and you're leaving anyway. It's fine,
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: and this is what he told me to do.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: But it's not like, oh, I'm mad at you and
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  Speaker 1: you're just straight up fired. Although I did think maybe
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  Speaker 1: there was a possibility of.
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  Speaker 3: That, Oh, what's your Story?
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  Speaker 1: Don't you day? Be sour CP for Stoppany.
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  Speaker 4: And Welcome to What's Your Story with Steph McMahon, a
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  Speaker 4: WWE and Fanatics original production.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been to Chicago house in a while. I
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: was there for a few weeks, so I vacuumed and
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: I emptied out the vacuum into the dumpster, and it
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: was just like I had a moment where I was
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  Speaker 1: just like I wanted to like reach in and say it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just because there's the smell everything, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting it. I just dumped it and I
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: just saw nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I found one of our dogs.
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  Speaker 3: We had put like the bowls and collar and stuff
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  Speaker 3: in this closet and kind of forgot about it. And
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  Speaker 3: I found it a couple of years later, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Had the same kind of thing because it was buried
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  Speaker 2: under some stuff and I was moving around.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I hid like like all the stuff, like because
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  Speaker 1: I got there before April did, and so I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, nope, hiding. I just hid everything from you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I just got everything out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Did you do the paw prints?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we got yeah. Yeah, we got like in the
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  Speaker 1: clay or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you know you cannot have jewelry. Oh yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: he was your baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes he was. I miss him.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you do. He's waiting for you. He is
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  Speaker 2: waiting to terrorize you.
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  Speaker 1: He still does. There's various ways he still terrorizes the
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  Speaker 1: both of us.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think you might ever get another?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, I probably would, but she won't too heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she said never, never again.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand, Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fine because we you know, like honestly, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a silver lining because I would
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  Speaker 1: rather have him. But we got married, like and we
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  Speaker 1: got Larry maybe eight months twelve months after we haven't
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  Speaker 1: been able to travel or anything. So right, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we've been doing the last two months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, traveling. Where's your favorite place? She went, Oh, ConA, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Easily, it's like my favorite place on earth side from Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: And have you been there before?
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  Speaker 1: ConA is where we did our honeymoon.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so it was like, oh, that's great, like return.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve years later, as we do. Years later.
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  Speaker 2: We spent our honeymoon half of our honeymoon in Hawaii,
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: but Maui and we had what we thought was like
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: a well it was a private house. We rented a house,
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: favorite story. But what I didn't know is that the
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: beaches are not private, even if said house is on
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  Speaker 2: a private beach.
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  Speaker 3: Have I told this on the pod? I have? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So the on the nick con pod? Oh, on the
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: Nick Pod. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there's Paul and all his glory waking up, flings
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  Speaker 2: the shades back steps outside, looking at the beautiful ocean,
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  Speaker 2: and that this snorkel comes up. But this person comes
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  Speaker 2: up literally out of the water right in front of
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  Speaker 2: us and you know, quite jarring obviously as your full
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  Speaker 2: Monty nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so there was that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like a familiar story.
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  Speaker 2: But congratulations again on your on your victory. Yes, hello,
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  Speaker 2: talk about it, comeback.
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  Speaker 3: Fifteen years later right in the same venue. S Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I means so much to.
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  Speaker 1: You, you know, I that's I'm flabbergasted. Yeah at that,
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like just how we drew it up, just
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  Speaker 1: how we planned it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because that's how our business works.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what a coincidence. Yeah, people say that there's
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  Speaker 1: no suitsing as a coincidence, but that's that's pretty remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: They also say lightning doesn't strike twice in the same spot, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they said. Yeah, I mean it was like
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: a week apart. If we're really going to split, I
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  Speaker 1: think you know, it wasn't to the day.
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  Speaker 3: To the day specifically, but it was a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of similar history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said in a promo.
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  Speaker 3: A wise man once said.
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  Speaker 1: I stole it from somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as all great things are. Yeah, nothing nothing
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  Speaker 2: is original anymore, they say, Right, you think it is
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: what's old is new?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Is that is that us?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Than you are?
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  Speaker 1: But are you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I turned fifteen September. Okay, yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 3: Just by a little bit, Yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious, you know, your perspective, and this is not
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  Speaker 2: as much like a wrestling pod in terms of storyline
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: or matches or that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Great to talk about if you would like to, but
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: it's more about I don't want to tell about wrestling.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: It's more about you, you know, and your story and
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  Speaker 2: how you got to be where you are and you
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  Speaker 2: know some of the trials and tribulations, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: your greatest lessons, you know, it's things like that, because
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: you know, life is life and it's beautiful and it's
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: so many different things for everyone, right, and if you
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  Speaker 2: live long enough, it's going to knock you around and
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  Speaker 2: how do you deal with it when it does? So
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  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of the goal anyways, to help give tools,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to people who are listening and hopefully engage
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  Speaker 2: in interesting conversation, which you know people are going to
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  Speaker 2: be curious, I think, right, because you and I are
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  Speaker 2: have weird history where our paths weren't necessarily totally intertwined,
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: but kind of, you know, along the same lines certain parts.
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  Speaker 2: But it is funny because I was kind of always
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  Speaker 2: on the outside of of what was happening, you know,
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  Speaker 2: But I heard a lot of things, right, So I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm but to start a little lighter.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this is.
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  Speaker 2: Now and I've heard some some talent on social media
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  Speaker 2: right there talking about, Oh, now you're doing the very
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  Speaker 2: thing that you said that you hated. You know that,
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: Oh the veteran comes back, and oh he's going to
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  Speaker 2: steal the title from Sammy, you know, and oh.
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  Speaker 1: I won, I won the title.
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, fair and Square, far and square. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's no doubt about it. You could watch the replay.
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  Speaker 1: I beat that, I beat that forty one year old
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  Speaker 1: youngster fair and square in the middle of the ring. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm guilty of doing what I What was it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, like, what are some of the quotes?
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  Speaker 1: Well, because you.
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  Speaker 3: Show the infograph, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Graphs and graphic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you don't even know where you found some
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: people talking ship. Well that's what you've got. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: should show a good word.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: I'm in the ship talk business, so no kidding.
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  Speaker 5: So like for example, Logan Paul said twenty fourteen CM
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  Speaker 5: punk part timers are the problem. Twenty twenty six CM
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  Speaker 5: punk he did say this, hold my PEPSI, let's show him.
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  Speaker 5: Where did you find this graphic online?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But like do you know exactly where? It's very tiny print.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you need is
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  Speaker 2: I have contact?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, I look great.
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  Speaker 3: Of course you do. Of course you do. Which I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to to ask you about.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is the This is the This is
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  Speaker 1: why I don't fuck with social media. These are this
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  Speaker 1: is like AI generated. These are fake quotes, are they? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Seth did not tweet this, Becky did not tweet this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, That's why I was asking.
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  Speaker 1: This is all these are. This is a double edged
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  Speaker 1: sword about I think most people in our business, but
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  Speaker 1: especially me. Yeah, and I do not say this lightly.
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  Speaker 1: These are mentally ill people who I mean, I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: imagine making up fake tweets that somebody else said to try.
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  Speaker 1: But the I think the problem, and it's not just
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  Speaker 1: in our business. I think it's it's a societal thing.
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  Speaker 1: Is people will instantly see that and then.
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  Speaker 3: They believe it.
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  Speaker 1: They believe it. Yeah, And I don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: change people's minds about that, which is why I lean
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  Speaker 1: into I don't care about changing anybody's mind about that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a business of toying with people's emotions. So
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  Speaker 1: if somebody's going to read that and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: believe it, that helps me in.
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  Speaker 3: A way, you know, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But I also there's also Phil who walks through parking
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  Speaker 1: lots with his wife, who has his head on a
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  Speaker 1: swivel because those people are out there, you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's interesting. Yeah. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know if there's a death threat against you,
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  Speaker 2: the FBI has to call you and notify you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know that. I know that. I know that.
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  Speaker 1: You both know that. Yeah. I think I think they're
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  Speaker 1: pretty slack on that too. By the way, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're catching all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's been a few phone calls.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, as Yeah, that's always comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But and then so you're aware, great, and what happens
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  Speaker 2: for nothing? Yeah, and then it's like, well, we don't
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  Speaker 2: think they're a threat because they live in wherever they
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  Speaker 2: live and don't travel often or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: The intel is great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes one time.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, comfortable, haven't slept since Yeah, yeah, so I'm glad.
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  Speaker 3: We addressed that.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: We've all been there before, when you're tired and there's
• 11:02
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• 11:05
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• 12:36
  Speaker 2: So do you look at any social media at all?
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: Like TikTok or do you have any I.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: Don't have a TikTok. I abandon Twitter.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: And how much better is it with fur years ago?
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Oh it's so much better, right, I'm self Admittedly I
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  Speaker 1: am on my phone too much.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, we all are, right.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm my wife will asks me a question and
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: then I start googling, right, yeah, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's the actor. It's whatever. I have Instagram to
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: look at dogs and what else is in my feed? Food?
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  Speaker 1: Food everywhere?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's your favorite food? Chicago pizza?
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, But like I dessert, it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a plethora of sending April, like look at these pancakes, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: look at these waffles?
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  Speaker 2: And what do you like on your pancakes and waffles
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: anything you don't have a I will not discriminate.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's more of the experience. It's more of like
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't eat them by myself.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: It's it's shared, it's joy.
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  Speaker 1: It's me and April like planning to.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the junk food because she does not look
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  Speaker 3: like she I know. I think it's said it's like
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  Speaker 3: a treat. She calls it a treat meal and not
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: a cheap meal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But like I in Hawaii recently, I
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: went overboard to where it got bad. I arrived on
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: the island two hundred and four pounds and I left
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty four pounds.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's impressive. And you were there? How long?
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I was there for? Seven days? Really?
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: That's talented? Actually yeah? And how long did it take
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: you to get back or are you.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Back five days?
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Five days? Yeah, it's not a water talent.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Came back in locked in.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Because you and do you have a new Do you
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: talk about your trainer at all?
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: I haven't really spoken about Jay publicly, but I would
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: love to.
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  Speaker 2: Great, go for it, because you look fantastic. You certainly
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: don't look like you packed on.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: So six weeks before WrestleMania, and I can't really tell you,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: like what said it in motion? I know, I always
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: see Chad Gable posting his workouts and you know it's
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: programmed by Jay Ferugia and all this other stuff. And
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: it was just motivated to go into WrestleMania looking physically different,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: looking like, oh wow, okay, he really busted his ass.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: That was my only goal. It wasn't a weight, it
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't a I need six pack. I to do this whatever.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I called up Jay and he was like, I wish
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: you would have got to me sooner. Man, we only
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: got six weeks. You know. He's like, but if you
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: listen to me and you do what I say and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: you eat what I tell you to eat, He's like,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I think we can do some damage. And we did.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: We did some damage. Like I think I showed up
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: in Mania. I didn't say that was in the best
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: shape in my career because I will always look back
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: at like when I was twenty six and I originally
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: tried to get the job in the first place, right,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you know, because my idea back then was they're gonna say, uh,
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  Speaker 1: look at his body. That's that's the that's the one
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: negative they can they can say, so I really busted
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  Speaker 1: my ass so they couldn't say no. Then I got
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a job, right, So I really kind of just had
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: that motivation. It just looked different showing up to WrestleMania,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously to me, it's a it's a lifestyle change.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: It's I told Jay, I was like, the only thing
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  Speaker 1: I've never done is like I've counted calories and all
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that other stuff, but like the big difference is I've
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: never weighed food.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: So like I bought scales.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: So six weeks prior to Mania, I bought food scale,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I bought a rice maker, I bought a freezer. And
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it was just like I eat meals that have maybe
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: three ingredients. Yeah, it's like white rice ninety nine one
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  Speaker 1: lean ground venison.
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  Speaker 3: And salt, no fat.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: That varies. Like every morning, I take a mirror selfie,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I take my temperature and my weight and I send
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it to Jay and then and then he will tell me.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: He will tell me protein, carbs, and fat to eat.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's very specific.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: It's very specific. Yeah, And you know, and there's obviously
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: new different things that with his approach that I'm always
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: curious about I just, oh, well, why why is this
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: something about thyroid? Like he wants my temperature like forty
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: minutes after meals and when I wake up to be
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: ninety eight degrees.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: You know, I've never heard of the temperatureize.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a So if your thyroid is I guess
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: operating optimally, you're you're burning burning more calories, your body
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  Speaker 1: temperatures higher. I fall short on that one a little
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  Speaker 1: bit sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a thyroid issue?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking like I'm I'm like ninety seven
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  Speaker 1: point eight eight and I'm like, oh, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, because that's of course. Yeah, ah, but yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I just I really just kind of changed the way
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I ate and just just really dialed in, buckled down.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And do you like it?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I love it?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely. I did tell Jay to start. I was like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I will get obsessive with this, and I don't want
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that to affect my relationship, right, like, yeah, because I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: will get crabby, and I like, I'm I would rather
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just eat a donut and shut the fuck up than not,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you know, not the not say something snippy that doesn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: mean anything, right, just because because you know what I mean,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: but no, I like, uh we it was her birthday,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I think, so like two weeks after I started with Jay,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I'm all dialed in for two weeks straight. And then
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it was Abel's birthday and I told him. I was like, hey,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I'm taking my wife out the dinner, like, I'm just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: letting you know. And he was like, well try to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, thanks, still just letting you know.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: And then most recently, obviously Hawaii was it was a shipwreck,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: but you had a blast, I mean, twelve year anniversary, Yeah,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: thank you very much. Yeah, I just yeah, I went
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: for it, and I just it's a reset after Mania
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and all the things I accomplished for the last two years. Really,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I just I just had fun. But more recently, like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I was on my way home from the All State
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Monday night and a text me She's like, or did
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: your pizza? And I don't argue with my wife.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's also great.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: We're having a pizza party. So I had a pizza party.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And then you know, the next day, just back on
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: dial back in.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But that's important too, because you need a break. Yeah right,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I don' break.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: But it's so fascinating because I'm so dialed in, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Jay is such a genius with the programming and the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: diet and everything. I can literally feel and he's very
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: every day how do you feel? Right? You got to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: tell me like do you feel sluggish? How's your energy
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in the gym? Like you know, And then after I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: think the lowest carb day he's had me on is
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: like one fifty, which still to me feels like a lot, right,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Eating, so you feel like you're eating a lot your
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm yeah, you don't feel like you're starving.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: April loves it too, because I'm I'm cooking like every day,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: not every day, maybe every two three days, but I
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: got the oven going, I got the stove top going,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I got sweet potatoes, and the air fryers good. Yes,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And she's just like how it smells good all the time.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: She's like, this is great. There's like a giant bucket
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of grilled chicken in the fridge at all times, Like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it's just it's there and it's accessible, and she loves it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And I've also dabbled with like a couple like you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: like some Instagram recipes and stuff like that that I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: see the influencers, right. I know my kids are big,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: so I'm like, oh, you can make muffins with just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like pin peanut, but all right, I'll try that. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: bought the Ninja creamy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, the healthy ice cream cream.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh she loves it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know this may need to be an investment.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: It's worth it. It's worth it is. But I can
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: feel I can feel the difference, and I can feel
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: when okay, you know what, Yeah, today I am a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: little sluggish. Okay, and then so then the next day
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: he'll he'll bump up the carbs or whatever.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And it's like it's a science. Does he have you
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: do wearables at all?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Like Aura ring or.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I got this watch. That's that's the other thing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It's just like I got to do ten thousands, at
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: least ten thousand steps a day, and I love walking anyway,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm more like I'm city probably averaging, yeah, like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen thousand steps a day heading into summer slim.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: He's up the cardio, so that's kind of interesting. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing how that goes. And my schedule just got
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: haywire insane. I'm sure I just had two months off,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: so I welcome it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for You're ready for it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a challenge, like eating on
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the road and stuff like that. Like a poor Jackie
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: is doing my makeup and I got like a food
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: scale out and I'm like putting white rice on it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like measuring it and googling how many. Granted it's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it's kind of mental, but you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Know she's been on her own journey. Yeah, yeah, jack
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: how much have you lost? How much have you lost?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Holy ship?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the things that you're saying, like just when you
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: get lost in it, like lost in a crowd in
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: it and get fired again, like.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't say enough about Jay,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's he's changed. I think you can
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: see based on you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Can you look fantastic?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I but I it's harder for me to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: see it. Sure, you know, like I'm always going to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: go and yeah, you know, like I know I must
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: say this to April like twelve times a day, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: she's just always like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks like she's like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Like rolls her eyes and stuff like that. But it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: just like the biggest changes is obviously like the diet
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and the weighing the food, and like the volume of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: things I do in the gym is so drastically.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Lower, really, oh lower.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Listen, Stephane. I started working out when I was about,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen or sixteen. It was because wrestlers
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: work out. I'm going to be a wrestler. I need
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I need to work out. I would go to the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: gym with my trainers and listen, everybody I've trained with
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: over the years is on every single drug in the world. Right,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: They're throwing crazy way to around and I'm just trying
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to like follow and like keep up, so like.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I can't lift that, Yeah, baffling to me so much.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: You know, so like dialing stuff down. So like, my
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: workouts have always just been I learned to work out
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: by getting like Flex magazine, Muslumfitness and essentially and.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: There was no internet reading Dorian Yates these bodybuilder workouts,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you know, j Cutler.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to do sixteen sets on you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: each sizes. I'm going to do eight exercises. There are
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be four sets each twelve to fifteen raps. And
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's just like today I'm in the headquarters gym and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I look and it's program doing legs and pendulum squat
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: one set, and I'm like, really, and with somebody with
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: my work ethic, it's actually really hard.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I bet because you like the feeling of exhaustion, right,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Like I pushed myself to my limit.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: To me, gym is my therapy. Yeah, Like, and I'm
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: so dialed in that it's the first thing I do.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I wake up and if it's not a fasted cardio day,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I eat, I go to the gym. I get it done.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: That's my job. Yeah, I'm fortunate that at this age,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this stage of my career, like this is my job,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this is what I have to focus on. But yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the volume of things that I do is like way down.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: What about the cardio?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Uh so the cardio would just is.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It more for your heart or more for fat burning?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's fat burning? Okay, yeah, my my cardio. I mean
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's kind of boring. But I also I'm the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: guy that ran a marathon without training for it, so
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I just love doing stupid stuff.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Did you get injured doing that?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: No?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Really No.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I flew to Raw the next day and like wrestled
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the twenty minute match on TV.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I would have too young whatever, that was.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: My question, to be young. Oh you've you've never heard
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this story.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I actually never heard this story.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: This is a great story. My cardio, the fasted cardio
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: at least, but heading.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Up the summer.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Heading into summer sligh days, like I want you to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: do like four fasted cardio days. And I was immediately like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: how am I going to do that with lifting too?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But it's an experiment. So a lot of the times
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: he wants me lifting three days on one cardio day
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and then two days in a cardio day. But now
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: my cardio days are overlapping with days i'm lifting, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: now I'm going to be doing a lot of house shows, sorry,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: live events.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So I've never I've never really learned that it's going
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of you know, trial and error, and it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: more challenging to eat on the road and everything else.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, so the marathon story. Yeah, I think
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I told this on Nerdict Chris Hardwick's podcast, But this
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking like two thousand and eleven, so you'll probably
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: recall twenty eleven because I think you did message me.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: My sister's father passed away and he was essentially my father. Right,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: so when you hear me talk about my mom, I'm
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: not talking about my biological mom. I'm talking about the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: wrong family, because they're the ones that essentially, when I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was fifteen, he would he was a school teacher. You'd
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: wake up and I just this kid's just on his
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: couch and bless his heart, he was just like you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like, you didn't throw me out.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He would just be like, just you know, take the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: garbage out. And he would make me take him to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the gym because my gym was twenty four to seven,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like on Christmas morning and stuff like that, and I'd
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: have to, like five in the morning drive him to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the gym.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: You didn't care.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he passes away, and it just turned into
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a thing where my one sister, Cassie, was like, I'm
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: going to run the Chicago Marathon for dad. She's like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you want to do it with me? And I was like, oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: It just so happened that this is twenty eleven, my
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: contract was expiring, and I was like, oh, you know what, yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I can totally do it because I'm not going to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: have a job because I'm leaving, right So yeah, So
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: famously what happens. So this is fifteen years ago, famously,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: what happens. I resign, totally forget about the Yeah, I'll
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: do the marathon with you, right, that's a big one. Yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it's a big one. And then one day I think
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: office tells me, hey, we're going to give you the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: weekend off. Now I'm champ, you know what I mean.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, part of the reason I wasn't going
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to resign because I was already feeling pretty grizzled. You
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: just wanted to take a break. I just wanted to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: take a break, just slow down. But then you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: when opportunity comes, you know, you got to you got
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to jump through that door. So this the conversation is
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: so great. Hey, we're gonna hey, my guy, We're going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to give you the weekend off. And I went, huh really, yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take you off the live events. Oh that's interesting. Cool. Yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna send you to Australia to do the Nickelodeon
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Kids Choice Awards. And I went, that's not that's not
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: all right? Okay, great, So no bumps traded for a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: sixteen hour flight, you know, So of course they piggyback
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like a meet and greet with this. So it's just
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: like land go, you know, like hello everybody you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: oh blah blah blah. But I think, ironically, like do
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you remember Indy she was at like, there's so many kids.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: There's so many kids that have we we have hired
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that are in the developmental system, run the main roster.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Now that'll be like, hey, this is a picture of Yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: yeah that's cool. So like that was a cool situation.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Do the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards next morning. Fly from Sydney,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I think, to LA to Chicago. So I'm getting into
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Chicago like maybe Saturday night, I think. And I walk
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: in my house and my sister's there. Scares the shit
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: out of me. I'm not supposed to be there. And
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, what did you know? Like you when
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you walk into a room and you're like, right, there's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: somebody in this room. Yes, right, Friday thirteenth, right, uh.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And she's like I knew you'd forget. She's like the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: marathons tomorrow and you told me I can stay at
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: your house because I'm just gonna walk over and start
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the race. And I was like, oh yeah, cool, right,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And so so she's like, I'm going to go to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to bed, you know, like I
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: got to get up earlier and run. I was cool.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And then like I sat on the couch.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Does she remembered do I even have sneakers?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: No? I was just like, bump. I walked out my
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: front door. I went to Walgreens. I bought bagels like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: fruit snacks because I was like, I'll just eat these
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: while I'm running. A bunch of pean whatever, and you know, like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and then I sat on my couch. I couldn't sleep
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: because I was wired from the trip. Yeah, bagels. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: then she wakes up. She walks out of the room
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and she looks at me and she just goes, you're
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: not running the marathon. And I was like, hell, yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Her friend dropped out. She was supposed to run it
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: with her. So I ran in her spot and with
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: her bib, and I was just like, yeah, we're doing this.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this whatever. I didn't train for it. I ran.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I loved running. I would run every city. It's normally
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what we do, especially like overseas. That's how I saw things.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that, Oh yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We go we go to Europe and stuff like that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: We me and my.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Sister, oh in general, yeah, okay.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So I was like, we're going to do this. This
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is cool.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Did she come on the road with you often?
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: No?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: No, Just like when I was overseas, I would go
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: run because I would look at architecture and just like
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: different stuff and parks and you know, and the race
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: started in my mind, We're going to run this together.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: The race started in this bitch. She's gone like a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: bat out of hell. I was just like, oh, okay,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: unseasonably unseasonably warm October day in Chicago. It was like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: eighty plus degrees, right. I run the first thirteen miles
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm fucking killing it. Yeah, it's the most I've
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: ever ran. I accidentally ran a half marathon one time
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: because I got lost and so I just would just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: keep running. I was just like, I'm going to get
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: back to wherever. I gotta go faster if I just
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: keep running. And then you know, my app was like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: half marathon. Shit cool. So thirteen miles, like my family's
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: waiting at like the thirteen mile marker, say hi to everybody.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm realized I'm wearing a really heavy sweatshirt and I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: take it off and it had to have been like
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: twenty pounds.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: It's soaked, but it must have felt great to get.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I took it off, and I'm like, I'm really yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: see you guys in another thirteen miles, you know, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you did it? Start running again, and then all of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it felt like I got shot. All of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I cramp up, like oh God, So I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: stop and I stretch a little bit and I tried
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: running again and it's just not going. And I take
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit more time. Now, I walk a little bit,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: stretch more, trying to eat, drink whatever I can. But like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't train for this smer. Now my body's like
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: freaking down if you dumb, Yeah, yeah, But I'm like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: well I have to. I have to finish. I'm too
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: stubborn to I'm.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Not just from this far.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stretching, walking, slowly, easing into it, get into a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: nice rhythm at a nice pace, and I'm running and now, ladies,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: forgive me.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I know what happens.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I have to ship.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I thought. This is what I thought.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: They say, you just go a lot of people do
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I had a room.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This has got to be one of the time, I mean,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: top twenty experiences of my life. Running this marathon was
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so great. You run through the different neighborhoods of Chicago.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Strangers are rooting for you and cheering you on. People
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: are running up to you with this giant, industrial size
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: bowl full of pretzels. Their people are handed you encouraging you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Like it was like a community.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was magical. But because it
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: was so warm, by mile like fifteen through twenty, it
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: was like a war zone.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: People were like, oh, everybody's having Oh.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: There's people laying in kiddie pools full of ice. There's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like triage tents set up. People are like bleeding because
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they just like fell and hit their head on the arb.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Like people are cramping up and fought like it's happening.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: It's happened, and left and right, especially like the last
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: six miles. It was like a war zone. But I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was experiencing my own internal wark at this point. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they have sign signage posted everywhere, you know what I mean,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And I think it was like maybe like I remember
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it's about mile eighteen because there's the mile eighteen sign
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, like, the cramp doesn't bother me anymore.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It's just the fact that I realized I'm wearing white shorts.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Oh no, and it's going to be bad.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but thankfully, like my I mean, it was motivation,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know where, Like it felt like every quarter mile
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I was seeing like a bank of porta potties.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: And now I'm in a desert and I'm like, I'm
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: going and I'm just trying, you know, like I'm not religious,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm praying at the universe and I'm like, oh
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: my god, I make it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I make it to the porta potty bank and it's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: like a ship sauna because it's so hard. Port is
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a disaster of right. Yeah, but I was in such
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a hurry matter I didn't stop the check if there
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was toilet paper, there was no, not a lick of it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, well I'm gonna I'm gonna use it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: There's the shirt I'm wearing. I'll wear this this overly
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: expensive aided out of the lemon shirt I have. I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have no options, you know, And I kind of like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: look in the corner and there's a there's a Dunkin
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Donuts bag. Now if if I mean Boston, maybe not
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: New York. I feel like Boston and Chicago or Dunkin
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Donuts territories. So if you're from those areas, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: if you get a Dunkin Donuts bag, there's gonna be
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like a half acre of napkins in it. Like you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: get you get like two doughnut holes, and you need
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you need eighty napkins for some reason. So I'm like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saved opening up.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: No napkins, no napkins, no napkins.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But there's a discarded blueberry muffin wrapper.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be comfortable. I mean you're talking to.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: A man who is contemplating ripping the the the center
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: roll of the toilet paper, like off the thing, like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: using that. Yeah for sure. Yeah, so the muffin, the muffin,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the discarded blueberry muffin rapper sounded like a much better idea.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: So, but you need more than one rapper.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I took care of it. It was you keep your
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: shirt on or I kept the shirt. Okay, Yeah, well
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I figured out I don't have to use the shirt.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Now use this and probably some of the dunkin Donuts bag.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You know, of course, a little waxy, though not the
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: greatest situation could have been a lot worse. And then
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: very regrettably, I have to finish telling the whole story.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Not my greatest moment. I run out. I mean, I'm sweating.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: There's a poor woman who's sitting in front of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: part of that and she's got her legs crossed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: She's chopping on one also a runner.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah okay, and she looks at me and she goes
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it is her toilet paper, and I just went yep.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: My motivation, my motivation running the next eight miles was
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: this woman cannot.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Catch again, have anybody else, but I'm gonna.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Because if she catches me, she's gonna beat my ass
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and it would be justifying. Yeah that's my mile age.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: That's awful. Yeah that's terrible. Yeah.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good stuff.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: It's good stuff. But so then you made it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I made it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean and then you had raw the
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: next day.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: You were all good?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean we can we can probably figure
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: it out, like on a calendar, like look it up
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and like see what I did. I can't remember the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: show that day, yea, yeah, but I do because I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: remember someone coming up to me and going. Somebody said,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you ran the marathon yesterday? Yeah, I sure did. Are
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you okay? Yep, I'm fine, sure ready to go. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: didn't post a great time or anything like that is
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the cramp and the you know, the stopping and the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: stretching and the walking or stuff like that. But like
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I at that point, I was like I just have
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to finish.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: You still ran twenty six point two miles without training,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Like that's crazy, insane.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, professional athlete. Yeah what did your sister say?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: What took you so long she did it? And like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: she did it like four hours and twenty minutes, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: how how she crushed it?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: How long did it take you?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, A, probably you just shy a six
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: or just over six.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: That's still very impressive.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm not embarrasseding literally like I didn't train
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: for this.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I just flew in from Australia and I said, you
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: didn't tear anything.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I probably did.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like my late teen things could have gone
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: very bad.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But you know that could have been worse, could have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: could have been.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: We've all had I think the steamy at least I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: have had the steamy port.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: But that's my.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Pert, like, you know, that's life perspective. Well, I guess
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it could always be.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Worse, could be the lady. That's where the phrase comes.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she was fine. Two that's Saturday night wrong
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: versus Wow, definitely contest you want amazing?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: It is amazing, really crazy.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: How old were you twenty eleven? So that's what fifteen
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: years ago, thirty thirty two.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: It's impressive.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at math.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I gotta say that's impressive.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: That's something I look. I think about and I'm like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you told me to do that now, and I'd be.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Like, all bad, all bad?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: How many days do I got?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: What are you? What are you talking about? Yea, yeah,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't bounce back like I used to.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: But I also I go heavy on recovery stuff now,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like what like.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Do you do the ice bath? Oh yeah, oh yeah, yes,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: very much. You're a believer.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I am a believer. Yeah that. I'm a believer in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the red light therapy too, And these are these are
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: things that I people, well you see all these benefits
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm like no, but I know immediately it makes
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: me feel better.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I lay on a red light man hour before I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: go to bed and I fall asleep like that.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Well, is that what they recommend to do it at
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: night like that?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So we just got to read different science about doing
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it in the morning for like a boost of energy
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to start your day. But that's when I do my
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: ice bath. Oh, it's that's like first thing. And people
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: are always like, ah, it's junk science, it's this and that,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: and I just say, well, I know how it makes
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: me feel better. I wake up and like my wrist
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: is achy, and my back's achey or wrong on my pillow,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: on my neck hurts. Like, I get in the ice
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: bath three five minutes and it takes care of It
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: wakes me up and it gets rid of all my
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: aches and pains. That's awesome, even if it's just for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. It gets me moving and then I eat
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and then I'm in the sun and I'm walking along.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Do you do the ice bath three to five minutes?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I think it depends on.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: How cold it is, Like what tempt do you do?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Mine at home is set for forty or forty five degrees. Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: so anything longer like that's normally like three minutes. There's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a place in Chicago I go to where I do contrast,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: so cold, I'll do the cold plunge and then I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: sit in the sauna for twenty minutes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And is it a dry sauna or a wet sauna?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It's a dry song, Okay, yeah, because there's all theories
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: on that too.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah. And then they have this do you
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: know what an immortal machine is? I haven't had that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: free plug, I guess for them, I don't know, Like
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: it's I discovered it because a whole bunch of hockey
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: players swear about. Okay, so a lot of a lot
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of facilities, probably in the NFL and certainly the NHL
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: are getting these big a mortal machines. So there's different
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: kinds of light therapy. This combines all of them into one.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: So you lay in this thing and it's just I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how to describe it. Like
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it could just be because I have nothing else to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: do and I fall asleep, but it puts me out, really,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I just I fall asleep.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: The red lightbed does.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: That for me. I wake up and I kind of
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: feel like energized and ready to go.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: But so it's red light plus what all different kinds of.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Light red leg yellow.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Blinding.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: This is one of those things. I mean, it's very bright. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend looking at it close your eyes. You
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: wear I don't know. And there's a I can't remember
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: what they call it, the thing that goes in your
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: nose and you're like breathing in like pure oxygen too.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: So it's just like it's all the whole thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: It's all recovery.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: It's like a hyperbaric light chamber.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Huge on bodywork and massage and stretching and.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Just crazy how much you have to stretch. Yeah, as
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: we get older.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a funny scene in Grown Ups the Adam
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Sandler movie.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So there's this scene and it's like Adam Sandler, like
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: they're all a little older and they all have younger kids,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and they go back to where they used to go
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to summer camp or whatever it is. Forgive me if
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm getting it a little off, and they run into
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: zac Efron and like these frat boys. So, like these
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: young frat boys and they're at the cliff that they
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: used to dive off of and they get into words
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and they you know, they're going to get into a
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: fight and They're like, yeah, all.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well we're gonna we're gonna kick your ass.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Just hang onna war start stretching, and it's what's it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: who's in it?
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Kevin James, Adam Sandler, Chris Chris Rock.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just it's funny.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean backstage before I have a match, like
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I'm stretching. Oh yeah. I banded all kinds of stuff,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: like band around my knees. I'm doing letters and cat
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: cows and clamshells, and I'm just like, I gotta move, yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: because if I don't.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's bad. And then it's bad, then it's bad.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't tell the story of myself, but I will.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've told it on the pot,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I doubt, you know. So we were playing Capture the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Flag our family, and I know I'm faster than my husband,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: right well, you hear he's on the other team, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I know where he is, and he's like downguarding the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: flag and I'm not too too far away. And in
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: my mind, I like, as soon as the bell rings
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was, I am running. I'm gonna get
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that flag. And I know he can't catch me, do
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: you warm up? There was there was a minimal, minimal.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But see now, also I have other problems because I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: had three kids. Oh so yeah, this is why I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: said I probably shouldn't tell the story.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: But so you know, it's okay, I'm gonna shut myself.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: So here, I am having this great vision of what's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: going to happen, right, and I mean I really see it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: The buzzer rings, I take off and I pull my groin,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I get a shin splint and completely pee.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Myself within four or five steps. And I just started
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: to laugh.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was so not what I thought was
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: going to happen.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I had so envisioned something different.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I hope you wouldn't plan on that. What's going to happen?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody going to go off?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I was wearing shorts running down my leg. So yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: so that's my story. No, I'm red here.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's okay, Yes, yes it is.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Do you have one?
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: I don't think so come on now, that's fine, Yeah,
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: we'll get we'll get one.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Means it hasn't happened yet.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. Don't run a marathon, totally capture the
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: flag unexpectedly.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I mean we're just older.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Now, that's just got to stretch. That's the that's the message.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is is you don't get hurt
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: doing what we do. You know, somebody falls off a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: twelve foot ladder onto me or I jump off. I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: don't get hurt doing that. You get hurt doing the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: stupid ship, the stupid ship.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, they capture the flag ship. Yeah, yeah, yes, the
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: casual marathon ship. Except you didn't, which is remarkable. Yes,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: well in that moment, you didn't.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, and then apparently I flew and I wrestled
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: two matches.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: In one night.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Dumb.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, power to you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It's just what we do. I'm not the only one.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: We're all. We all have pretty remarkable stories like that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about running a marathon and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: wrestling two matches the next day, running marthon.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, think of think of all the think of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: all the wrestlers in the eighties. Yeah, of drugs did
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: amazing things.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: There's a whole other side.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I can't say I've ever done that. Impressive, impressive in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a different way.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, I still give you that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: So being a veteran, now, right, do you or do
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: you see yourself as a veteran or not more of
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: a like facts or facts, It doesn't matter if a
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: long time decades. Yeah, yeah, I've I've been around.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I started a while ago. I think I think I'm
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: still here operating on this level. I must have seen
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and done done some things that have merit to them.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe my opinion carries some weight, but I I think
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: it's a dangerous thing. And I to say that veteran, Yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: just because I've been I've been around, sure.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'm not. So My question is,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: how do you look at things now? Is it different
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: than how you looked at things, you know, when you
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: first started? Some of like because your journey is so remarkable.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I mean it really is like you're, first of all,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: just a completely unique person in all all the wonderful ways.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you would say there's not wonderful ways
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: or what have you, like, because we're all human, But
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: you're really remarkable.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I think you're fat. I'm pretty wonderful. You're not. Other
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: than that, they're not I'm wonderful, not fat, I'm wonderful.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: You're wonderful, not mister wonderful.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: No, you're wonderful it's actually just watching Paul Orndorf buzz
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Sawyer match, and I was like, I was texting your
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: your husband about it. Yeah, yeah, I like shot me
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a text. He's like, hey, what are you doing? And
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I was like Cardio watching buzz Sawyer and Paul Orendorf.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that matter.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Conversation spirals to like somewhere he didn't expect it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: going to go that's good. Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: But you're and you are truly a student, right like
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: you've studied. I think you seem to be someone who's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: studied these all of the things.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: That you love, yes, right, like whether that's hockey, whether
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: that's you know, wrestling, whether it's food, you know, whatever
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: it is. You like you said, you obsess about it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: You get deep into it. But two have grown up in.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: What I'll say, and you correct me, maybe a tumultuous environment,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a tough environment.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: You found.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: What I think the wrestling community is is family. And
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you found a real family and a family that you
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: were just talking about who you know gave you that
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: love that you never really knew before.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And two then go after what.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You love and then you start in like your own
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: independent circuit almost in backyard wrestling, which we don't condone,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: but and and it becomes pretty successful. But then you
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: have another hardship related to that, which you overcome. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: then you do get into the business and become one
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: of the biggest stars of all time. And your opinion
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: does matter so much. And you are so different, especially
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: when you were coming up at a time where you are,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: you know, drug free, you're straight edge, you you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: look a little different from you know, interviews that that
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I've heard you give.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: From your perspective, you're you.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Know, you're a punk, right, You're you're this punk ass
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: kid who's going to talk shit and tell it like
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: it is and pipe bombs and everything else. Right, Not
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: everybody can get away with that. And then you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of medical issues, You have some
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: real difficult times physically, and I'm sure mentally and emotionally.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You leave the business.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: In this whole thing.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: You find April.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: You guys get married, you get Larry, Your life takes
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: on a totally new direction. You decide you're gonna do MMA,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: which again is like crazy to think that you were
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: able to even compete, you know, at that level, coming
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: out of of a completely different profession, you know, and
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and I'd love to learn even just some of the
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: lessons in that. But then you you decide to come back,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: you go to a different promotion, and then ultimately wind
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: up back in WWE, where nobody ever thought you would
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: ever wind up again, including yourself at some points, right,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: like if someone had told you that this was gonna happen,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, yeah, no, I don't think.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: So, Yeah, that's fair to say, Like.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: What what drives you?
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: What what are some of the things that you learned
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: during such an incredible journey? Because it takes such courage,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I think to take the risks that you've taken and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to take the like what what what do people need
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to know that it's safe or unsafe? How do you
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: get them to take those risks, to believe in themselves
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: enough to not be afraid to fail, to see failure
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: as a teaching opportunity, Like what how do you look
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: at this time and the key things that you've learned?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I think for me because I will, I will say
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it all the time to April. You know, I'm annoying
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: when I'm at home and I'm just like randomly like, hey, babe,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I love you.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure she doesn't find it annoying.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Well she might, I don't know, I don't think. So
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: she's in her office, hold up writing and I just
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: like pop in and like, you know, it's probably annoy
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: but I just I look at things and I think
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: a few of us on the roster start speaking this way.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Like I just saw Seth cut a promo and he's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: talking about how almost sounded like he was going to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: fucking retire, and I was like, what are you doing? Man?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: You know, like everybody else will say, oh, you're old
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and you're this and you're that, and I'm just like, yeah,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm old and I'm doing this shit.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Watch this right.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So where I get the inspiration from is just people
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: around me. Just I'm inspired every day by my wife.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I'm inspired every day by my trainer Jay. I'm inspired
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: by Chad Gable, I'm inspired by Bailey. I'm inspired by
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: everybody else because I see them have setbacks and they
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: come back from them necessarily concerned with mine. But I
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: constantly am just like, man, what a life? What a like?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Before we sat down to do this, the they were
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: interviewing me about a great many things, and I was
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: talking about Jesse Ventura, you know, and it's just like
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, Wow, he's not gone. I'm glad
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: he's still here. But what a life well lived when
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: you can be like, he's a Vietnam veteran and then
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: he was a pro wrestler and he had to retire
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: for health concerns and then he became one of the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: greatest commentators of all time, huge advocate for the boys.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Governor also, that's what and he becomes governor and it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: just like, like why not. Like I I came, I
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: came from nothing, and so there to me, there's really
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: there's really nowhere else to go except up. I am
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: afforded opportunities that scare the shit out of me, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: those that to me like, that's where my motivating, my
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: motivation comes from. Like I can't remember, was I thirty
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: five when I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: gonna fight in MMA now. And it was something I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: wanted to do and I was going to do it.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I was going to start as an amateur. And then
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: of course Dana is like, no, you're not doing that.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: You're going to fight for me, And I was just
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: like then I already hear the criticism, Dana.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he's a promoter, right, So.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I just look at it like, okay, you know, deathbed scenario.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be laying there thinking I should
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: have said yes to that, right, because what's the worst
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to happen. I'm going to get beat up? Well, ship,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: it's in front of the entire world. Oh well shit, okay,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: all right. It's not about the money, it's not about
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: anything else. It was just about, well, I'm gonna do
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: this anyway. Oh you're gonna pay me that? Oh okay,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: well I'm gonna do it anyway. I just I don't
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: like saying no to things that scare the ship out
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: of me.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: You know, do you think fear is a motivating I
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: will run.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Into a burning building, because to me, that's the you know,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: not not not just to get burned up.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Like reason, There's got to be a reason for it,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: a good reason, you know.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: And I I, like, I understand all the criticism of
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: things I've been afforded to do, like fight in the UFC,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, like there's there's privilege that I
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: have used in those scenarios. But like I still pay
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the price, you know, and the price we pay is entertainers.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Is people with Twitter, fingers or mouth or anything, they
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: can say anything they want about us, right, Like you
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: have to come to terms with.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Your own security in those moments.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: In those moments, this is where I enjoy being a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: veteran because I can grab people on the roster and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, like stop worrying about what they are saying. Right,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and they are saying that from a position way down
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: here there. Nobody punches down, you know, like they're punching up.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: They're like they would want, they would kill to be
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: in your position. So you slipped or you messed up
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: your finish, brother, this is live TV.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen again too.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: This is the price we pay. And if you're going
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to get upset and it's going to affect your mood
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that much, like you have to realize that, like this
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: is it, this is live TV, this is what we do.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Sh It's going to happen, you know. So she just
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: live in that moment when I can hopefully coach some
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: of these kids through some of those moments. It's not
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the end of the world, Like do you think it's perspective.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh it's perspective, it's experience. It's just
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: living life.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I will, but what a life, right, right?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And I chuckle about like you said at the top,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, like our relationship was fucking weird, and.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I look back at weird.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Well I look back at it now and I'm just
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: like it all just boils down to communication.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, like, yeah, we kind of danced around
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: each other, but I don't think that was because neither
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: one of us wanted to talk to each other. I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: just think circumstances were what they were. Like, I remember
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: we had this one conversation and there were a lot
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: of voices that I heard a lot of negative voices
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: towards you, but my interactions with you had never really
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: been negative. And we had this conversation and you were
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: talking to me about basically like all the heat I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: had and who was going to get it right, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: you were very respectful, like not talking down to me
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: about like, well you understand that's how the business works.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, no, I get that.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I very much would love to, you know, have a match,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: and it just wasn't me in charge making those decisions.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: But I remember the conversation and it was such a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: good conversation, you know, and I always loved your perspective
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: on things. But again I wasn't like in the decision
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: making role related to anything you were going through or
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: but I would hear all about it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: In my perspective now is like, yeah, you're the boss's daughter.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Where else are you going to work? Like what.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And I loved it, I was right, but and the.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Price you pay being the boss's daughter is people aren't
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna say, no, you got handed this, and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: like that's the privilege.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: That you had, sure, sure, right? And yet have I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: been given opportunities?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that doesn't mean you're not busting your ass right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Right, But that one I got over a long time ago,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: because that's you know, I mean. And growing up, people
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: either hated me because I was Ben's mcmhon's daughter or
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they loved me because I was Ben's McMahon's daughter.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: But it was never real.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what always bothered me the most, was like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I want people to either like me or not like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: me for who I am, right, you know, and you
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: learn who the real people are and there's a handful
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of them, you know, if you're lucky, and the rest
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: is noise. But easier said than done, right, Like perspective
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: is everything and having been and I think too just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: to take the risk, even to be a public figure now,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: no matter what that is, entertainer, you know, musician, athlete.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna be out there in the public eye,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: people are gonna come at you.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: That's and now it's loud because of social media, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: there are going to be people who just hate you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: just for whatever reason.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: You're only as good as your I mean, in this business,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you're only as good as your your last match or yeah,
• 1:03:28
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  Speaker 5: We are currently celebrating the fifteen year anniversary since the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: Summer of Punk. Looking back on that summer of twenty eleven,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: what memories do you have of it?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Uh h, fond memories. I remember, I think feeling like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I leveled up. I think that's the big takeaway was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: holy shit, all right, now I'm here. But also like,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: be careful what you ask for, because now the hard
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: work really begins.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like I busted my ass in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: my career to get to that moment where I was
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: finally recognized. But I knew, you know, you're only the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: rents do every day. So I knew, like okay, and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I was I was slowing down. I wanted to take
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: a bit of a break I was on the road
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: for a very very long time. I was fortunate I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: did every house show, every pay per view. You know.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I was running hard for a very long time. And
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: looking back on it, like two thousand and six to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, it might not sound like a lot of times,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: you know, but I mean the international tours we would
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: do and everything. And because I think I wasn't creatively
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: or monetarily like satisfied with where I was, I was like, Okay,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: well I can take six months off and then I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: can come back, you know, like let me, let me
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: take a break. Let me take a break. And then
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Lightning struck with the pipe bomb, and that whole situation
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to me was you know, like just magic and like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: we we captured that, and it was like, well, okay,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I can either go home and squander this or I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: can ride this lightning bolt, you know. And I rode
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: the lighting bolt, you know, and like it really made
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: me feel like I had finally leveled up too in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: some of the it's in management's minds. I felt like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I leveled up to the that my ability was always
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: at Like I felt like I worked like this top
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: guy and I was finally kind of recognized as that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: for the first time, and with that came all kinds
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: of other challenges and problems. Sure, but and as as
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: your level up, you realize there's more levels to go.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: But that was That's the main takeaway. That's definitely how
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I felt.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: And kind of going off of that, what do you
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: remember about going out and delivering the infamous pipe bomb
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: promo that turned the wrestling world upside down?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I remember now, mind you the context is I'm still
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: very much leaving right in your mind. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: have not I have no new contract I'm looking forward to.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I think the next day we were flying to like
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Australia New Zealand and it was going to.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Be my last tour, you know again in Australia.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was told this unbelievable thing. I want
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: you to go out there and air your grievances. No, no,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: you don't. You know you don't want me doing this,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: you know. Ah. And to bring it back instinct, I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: knew if I told your dad this is what I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: want to say, he would say, no, I can't say that, Okay.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I trusted myself to it because because I think the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: thought was, you know, he's he's gonna he's gonna swear
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get us fined by the SEC. He's gonna
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: get us thrown off the air. He's, you know, like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: he's gonna whip his dick out. I don't know what
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the you know, My intent was never to do anything
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like that, like in the confines of the television show
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that we do. I have too much respect for the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: business two to go so far that I'm just burning
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: a bridge for no reason, right, just to do it.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I want you to go out there. I want you
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: to go out there and air your grievances. Okay, nothing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I did or said was outside of what we did
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: on our television show, right, but knowing my instincts, saying
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: things like New Japan Pro Wrestling wildly provocative for some reason.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: The competition, because I think everybody knew the rules and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: everybody knew a lot of it was just based on
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: stuff that I knew would irritate Vince. Sure if I said, Hey,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I want to go out there and talk about Paul
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and Brock, he'd be like, no, don't, don't mention them. Okay,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: So I didn't. So I wrote up this bullshit and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I gave it to him, and he and he read
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: it and his only feedback was it was good, just
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: make fun of Stephanie. And I was like, excuse me.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I had her in there, and I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: was like, okay.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for taking it easy on me.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I was just idot. And the funny thing is is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: like people will still, like, you know, the the Twitter
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: smart fans will still argue about it like, oh, it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: was approved, it was this, it was both it was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: approved that it wasn't. It was approved to a degree.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: And my instincts told me, like, I'm not saying anything
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: too bad, like you can't if he's going to be
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: mad at me, he's gonna be.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Mad at me, and you're leaving anyway, and this is
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: what he told me to do.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: But it's not like, oh, I'm mad at you and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: you're just straight up fired, although I did think maybe
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: there was a possibility of that, and then I've I've
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: had a couple of like flow state of body experiences
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: in the business where because like, sometimes I put so
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: much pressure on myself that I I worry about the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: situation too much and I overthink it and I almost
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: over prepare because I think there needs to be a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: bit of like relaxed chaos. That's why I don't like
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: to plan matches. I like to go out there and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: just be like, well, maybe maybe we'll do this right,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to be listening and I might not
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: be a very difficult thing to get people to understand,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: because I remember the first time I started training. I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: remember my trainers would say, watch, watch, watch Sean and Razor.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I bet they don't even talk to each other. And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck you mean? He probably
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: just shoots him off and when he's coming off the ropes,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: he sees that he's like this, so he knows he's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: taking a hip toss. The fuck didn't make any sense
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to me. I was like, that's impossible, it can't possibly
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: do that. And now I hide from people like to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: stay with me now. But the instincts took over and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I I knew that this, I really felt super strongly
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: about this is the way it has to be. And
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: so I went out and I did it that way.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: And you know when I when I when I came back,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: it was I smell money, is what he said. And
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: at the time, like that was the stamp of approval.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: That was it sure. That was everything right there. Taught
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: me a lot about business, you know, like you sometimes
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: it's art, sometimes it's business. Actually it's always business.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: It's always business.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's if you can, if you can get to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you can get to the point where it's also art.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: But holy shit, you're also selling tickets.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: That's the magic. That's Yeah, it all comes together. Yeah,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: it's funny because I read the the pipe bomb.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Oh oh.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm like, oh so I read it,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: had the transcription of it before doing this today, and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, it's really not that bad. Like it's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: funny right perspective in time, because in the moment.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: The context is it was very very important. And that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: was to illustrate how old I am now that at
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: the fucking time that yeah, I mean maybe maybe it
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't hold up.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: It does I really don't know, because of what it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: meant in the moment.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: That thing, that thing melted people's TV.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah it did. Yeah, No one had ever done that.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I mean d X was controversial, right, and the like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: reading the USA Network standards and practices and like that
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: was very fun.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: But nobody had.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Yet at that time to my knowledge, ever talked about
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: like Vince and Paul and me even though you were
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: directed to.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Like but in a shoot way right.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 9: Right, but it also like but it dances and I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: like you said, I'm a student it it it treaded
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: the line, yeah, so without crossing and then like it's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: it's hard for.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Me to to like toot my own horn and talk
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: about this. But like when I see somebody say something
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: like off the cuff and like like wildly negative about it,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: like ah, it's not that great, Like no, like you don't,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you don't get it.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: You don't see what I did.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I have seen more people post that promo try to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: emulate that and completely miss the point. Yeah, and completely
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: just think that they need to say people's real names
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: or say these outlandish things. And that's what it was. No,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that's not what it was. It was me talking about
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give people the formula. I will tell
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: everybody in NXT. This is the form Go out there
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and you tell them four things that they know are true,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and then the fifth one can be I was born
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: on Mars and they'll be like, well, shit, maybe this
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: guy was born on Mars because because those other fourth
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: things he said were true. It is nothing new. It
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: was nothing new then, it is nothing new now. I
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: would like to think it was all instincts and content
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: and performance, but propped up by the oldest rules in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: pro wrestling. Like to me, like I talk about Terry
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Funk a lot, A guy I thought I don't talk
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: about enough is Johnny Valentine. Johnny Valentine even back in
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: the sixties would say that they all know this is bullshit,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: they all know this is fake. But when I go
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: out there, they're gonna point at me and go, But
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: that motherfucker, that mother fucker is real. And that was
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the Cmpunk that walked out on that stage at the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas on that July day,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: and I sat down Indian style because I was just like,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: this is it.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: This is me, which made people automatically when you sat
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: down like that, Yes, people started paying attention in a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: different way.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: They were listening differently. This wasn't a wrestling promo.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Right by design, right purposely. Yeah, well it was awesome,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously transformed so many aspects of the business
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and your career. Yeah, And man, it's remarkable fifteen years
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: of punk.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: You know, when I was out of the business. I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: was obviously persona non.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Grata right here, you mean, or in general?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I think everywhere. I mean I don't, I don't. I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: don't think the other place existed yet. And y'all did
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: a I think a top one hundred Moments of Raw
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Like that moves the Raw Anniversary or something maybe I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: And you guys put the pipe Bombers number one, and
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I remember I remember being like actually flabbergasted at that,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: like to be to be so good, to make that moment,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: what it was, to have him sign off on that,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and to make that the number one Raw moment is
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: it's to me it speaks volumes. That's insane.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy and forever.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, somebody will top it. I hope somebody does.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I hope there's somebody in NXT.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: But nobody can ever take away from that moment.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: No, they can try, but again, it's just noise. Yeah,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I trust my instincts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was in the business, I don't even
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: know how long before I got signed, and then I
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: was in developmental for a year, and then like so,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I had tricks up my sleeve that a lot of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: people coming in didn't A lot of people from developmental
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: at the time didn't, you know. So I was able
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: to navigate things a little bit better. But there's there's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: NXT talent that come up and they get thrown on
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: raw and it's just like it's it's sink or swim right,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you know. And then but then they think, one little mistake.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: It's like the end of the world and I'm never
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: gonna make it.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: It's often not right. I think it used to be.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that's left over from like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: the old regime, because I remember people getting fired because
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: their punch is sucked. You know, Yeah, it'd all be
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: down there in Kentucky, like, oh my god, like you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: almost didn't want to get called up, just like what happened.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: This was a great talent. They got sent up, and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: then you aren't. They're gone two weeks later. We thought,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: we thought for sure they were gonna make it. It's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: like the turnover was like a lot worse. I think
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a lot better now. System is
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: a lot more accommodating, and I think there's people in
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: positions of power that actually want to see people succeed.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I want the next generation to you know,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: work less and get paid more than I did, because
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I've that's what you should want. That's what you should
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: want in any business. I talked to a lot of
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: my friends in the NHL and they're stoked that the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: young kids are like, yeah, They're like, this is great.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: These young kids are making more money than we ever did.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: This is great. I want that for I want that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: for wrestlers.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: And do you think you said you think it's getting better?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Where do you think it could continue to get better?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Because everything is always a work in progress, right, including
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: human beings.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, TV time is an expensive commodity. You know,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I think taking chances. You know, it's funny because like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: historically throughout wrestling, I think wrestling bookers and there's maybe
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like three bookers left on planet Earth. Yeah, you know
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it's it's not just
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: this I'm I'm the owner and the booker and this
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: is my territory. H Historically, bookers would just kind of
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: do what they liked. They would they would produce and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: tell guys to wrestle, and they would come up with
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: storylines that there's just shit they liked.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: I heard Lord Michael say the same thing about us. Now,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: he just did what he liked.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Jared Jarrett booked what he liked in Memphis, you know
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like don Owens, and you know, the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Seattle booked, you know, in Portland, he booked what he liked.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Vince booked what he liked, and sometimes it was great
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: sometimes you know, like sometimes just he liked it, you know. Uh.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: But now I think there's there's so many people in
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: the room, and there's so many writers, and there's there's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: you know, board members and like all this stuff that's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: tell your husband all the time, Like, I don't envy
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: your position whatsoever, because if it's good, it wasn't your ideas.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: It's and I just you know, to me, it's a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: variety show, so it could it could have I guess
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: more variety. I don't know. But then you know, then
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: we have Dan Housen. So like I'm not complaining about
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: shi is.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm a fanhousing Yeah, for sure.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: He really he really feels like somebody that wouldn't have
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: happened years ago.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but but agreed, he's refreshing to me, he is. Yeah,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: he's so fun everywhere.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I would and to me, I'll say the controversial answer. Now,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: I would like to see more people be a little
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: more serious about things and instead of happy to be here,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I would I would like more feedback given to people
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: coming through the curtain instead of just fine, right, you know,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: because some people chase the hug and they come back
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: and they're just like I wasn't They want to be told,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: you know, But I always say, well, get up, get
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: off your phone. You're looking at Twitter to see how
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: your fucking match was. Did you listen to the people,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: because that's your instant reaction, that's that's your boss.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: When a thousand percent agree with that, yeah, I.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Don't give a shit with somebody on Twitter says about you.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: And by the way, if they're empty seats, that's a
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: big tell.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: The live event audience is I think the most critical audience.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean like other people's opinions don't matter,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: or fans watching on TV or whatever that they that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: their opinion doesn't matter. But I think that's the best
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: feedback that you get. I mean, and it's a gift
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: to be able to.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Have that feedback. The dissonance between what wrestling Twitter says
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: or what actually happens in a live building is crazy.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: It's it boggles my mind.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Like, I agree, and you can read like especially because
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: you know the algorithms get into However, they're serving you
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: stuff and it's like so negative, and you would think
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: the business is going away from what you read online.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: And then you're in the arena.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Watching the show and everybody's so psyched to be there,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: and it's like the best feeling in the world.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I don't know. There's thirteen thousand people there,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: they're pretty, they're pretty might they left them going.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, and I hope they want to come back, right,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: that's what we want them to say. But I agree
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: that live event feedback is just invaluable. But that's interesting.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: So do you think it's the or probably a combo.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's the talent that are just looking
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: for the pat on the back or is it the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: powers that be not giving that critical feedback.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: I think it can be both in some situations. I
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: think sometimes some people don't want to hurt people's feelings,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: so I think they need to figure out a way
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: to communicate things.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: That in a positive way.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because that's true because we've all been there. Yea, Hey,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: do you got anything for me? Yeah? Man, your fucking
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: punches suck and you should fucking quit the business and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: then burn your boots, you know, like Okay, that might be,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: it might be a little much. But if you're if
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: you're earnest in your seeking knowledge, like, oh my punches.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Suck, Okay, how do we how do I make them better? Yeah?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Because I was a fifteen year old kid working at
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: a comic shop that made a ball of tape and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: hung it from the ceiling and sat there and punched it. Yeah,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: ten thousand times a day.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Paul hung a bolt
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: from a string.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Ye you know, yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: And it's just like I want the producers or agents
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: to really focus on helping and giving constructive, positive feedback
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: and showing things instead of just saying things. And I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: also need the talent to be sincere in wanting to
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: get better and grow and keep an open mind and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: and different perspectives on how to receive that information and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: then apply it. A big problem obviously is we don't.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Do as many lives right less opportunity.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: It's harder, but I think the people who really want
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: it will figure it out.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: That's how I did it right, you know.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: And if you're only as good as your last match,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: if you get feedback and they're like, hey, maybe do
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: this and this and this, and then you're not going
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: back to Florida and working on it ring. And then
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the next time we see you, you do the same thing,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: and we're just like, well.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, told just once before, but we'll say it again,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I just I think every myself included, everybody can tighten
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: things up.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Be sure, you know, we're all a work in progress, always, always, always, yeah,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: no rest. My dad's philosophy was always outlive them and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: outwork them. Those tracks. I've heard that multiple multiple times. Yeah. Oh,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: I have a question for you.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: What is one of the best pieces of advice life
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: or business that you've ever received from Paul Hayman.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to mind, I don't even
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: really think was advice, but it became prophetic because it
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: was true anytime I was ever frustrated, you know, and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: whether it was just like because I do have this
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: drive and based on somebody else's perspective, it could be
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: positive or negative, you know, like fuck you, I'm the best,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: right right. That's how I've always wanted to approach things like,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: oh Man wrestle Eddie Guerrero on the Indies, and I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: was immediately like, oh boy, okay, I got some fucking
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: work to do, you know, you know what I mean.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: But like at the level I was at, yeah, I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: thought it was great. You know, Oh shit, there's another summit.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: There's another this Paul. You know, like anytime I was frustrated,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I would say things and he would just he said
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: one time he was just like, you're gonna have to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: leave and come back to get what you want. And
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well that stinks because you don't
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: necessarily want to leave, right, Like, I'm on the team
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: like you, I understand people like being proud of the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: company you work for. Like you know, I understand people
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: like I work for w W and we're the best. Well, yeah,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: you work there. You know, your perspective is going to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: change based on what team you play for. You're not
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: going to hear somebody on the Ottawa Senators saying like, oh,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: you know, we're okay, but I I really love to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: play the greatest way to get yourself thrown out.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: Of the locker room, you know, let's see if they
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: want you, you know.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: And what in turn I learned from that was just like, well,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: it's not always going to be rainbows and puppy dogs
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: and sunshine, right you know, but if you bust your
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: ass and if you are good enough and you're consistent,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you do get put in the places you belong.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: I was just probably impatient, you know, and it takes
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: it took me a long time to get to where
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: like I wanted to be, and now I'm where I
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: want to be, and now the people are like year old,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm like what you know, Like when I was
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: thirty two, maybe I wasn't ready to receive this right,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: like I grew into the person that was ready to
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: do it. It wasn't really like advice or maybe it
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: was like a little yo to ask because I had
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: to kind of figure it out myself. But you know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: at the time, I took that as like a negative,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to leave and come back. Well
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: there's nowhere else to work, Like what you know, Like
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? This is it?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: You know, so that was probably it. Other than just
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: trust your instincts and be yourself. He was. He was
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: a big one. I'm always telling me to trust my instincts,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and whether I vocalize that with people or not,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Like if I had a feeling about something, I was
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: like because You're gonna be talking to somebody about any
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: number of things, and they might have more time in
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: the business than you. You know, if you're like, yeah,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: but I really, I really think A good example, a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: perfect example. I'm way out of my depth. Here is
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: my first pay per view It's Survivor Series. We're in Philly, right,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: I lived in Philly at the time. Hardcore fan base,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: they all know me. I'm debuting on pay per view.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: I've only been on t since like August, August, September, October, November.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Survivor Series I've been on. I've been on the road
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: full time for four months. I'm still I'm still a newbie.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Sure right, Yeah, I'm in the Survivor Series match against well,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not against. It's it's me, Shawn Michaels, Triple H,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Matt Hardy, and Jeff Hardy. So there's there's four people
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: that have been on television consistently since nineteen ninety two
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: three long time ninety six, ninety seven for the.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: Hardys compared to your four months and yeah, for four months.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: And Pat Patterson fucking legend, he's the agent. He's sitting
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: there going over the match. We're we're working at Mike Knox.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: Edge, can you guys pull it up?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Hurricane?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Oh here it is there, it is.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Randy. Who's the fifth guy. I'm not gonna remember. Let's see.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: The reason I can't remember is because.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 7: Right now, and you know, and Pats there, and Pat's like, okay, guys,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 7: this is what we do. We get the heat on Jeff.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: We get the heat on Jeff. We get the heat
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: on Jeff.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: And the little fucking voice in my head was just like,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: should get the heat on me? You know, like yeah,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: And Edge, to his credit, was like, I really, I
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: really think we'd give it to the kid it is
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: you is you either get the heat on him or
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: give him the comeback. I can't can't. I can't really remember.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: But the moment, yeah, there there was there was there
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: was there's some mechanical device in the match where like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: you know, I was really like, I can't I can't
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: just stand here in this group of people and raise
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: my hand and be like I think it should be me.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: So I just like kind of sat there, just like
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: h and Pat and Pat.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: No way, it's Jeff Hardy. They go crazy for Hearty.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: They don't know who this kid is, you know, blah
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: blah blah.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, from his perspective, he's not wrong.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: I had no ill will towards Pat. I was just like, well,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: he's no, he's he's fucking right. It's Jeff. They'll go
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: fucking banana for Jeff right, and I think, you know
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: they eventually they agreed and they gave me the moment
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever like that, and then after the match, he
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: came up to me, He's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I had no idea. They know who you are. Oh
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: my god, they love you, you know what I mean.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: And like, from that, from that point on, I was
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: I was Pat's guy, and I was like, fuck, Like, man,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: I really I really earned my money that day. But
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: that was super cool fucking moment. Yeah. I wasn't I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't mad at Pat, but it was just like one
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: of those instincts in my head that I was just like,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I'm feeling something. Pat knew
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: me for four months, right. He looked at it. He
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: looked at it, and he was like, no, Jeff from past.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: I've heard him say there's old ship and there's new ship.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so like that was one of those
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: days of one of the greatest days of my career, honestly,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: because it's like I felt like I earned past fucking love.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: That's so cool.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was tough to do. Yes, it was,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: It really was, Yes, it was. But then I would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: start asking him questions about like raced evens and ship
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: and he'd be like.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you know, oh yeah, you're really.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Then I got the nerd out with Pat, you know
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean. And I would be like, oh, well,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Harley said one time.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: You know, Harley was so many great stories to.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tremendous.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a legend absolutely, Yeah, first inter Continental champion.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Crazy Rio de Janeiro.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: As as it happens, right, yeah, absolutely it happened.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: That happens. There's no footage of it. It was eaten
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: by moths.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: So I did want to ask you. But and we
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: can edit or or whatever. You now going back to
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: your childhood, because I do think there are a lot
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: of kids who are growing up in difficult homes. Some
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: kids don't have parents at all. Some have abuse issues,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: substance abuse issues, physical abuse, sexual abuse, mental health challenges.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: How do you survive and ultimately thrive to get through
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: that environment?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: How do you get to the other side of that?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so, so suffering is relative. I think I
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: might have said that earlier already.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: So like, yeah, maybe I suffer is the wrong word.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Well no, but like for everybody, it's different, and I
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: like I could always be worse. Right. I grew up
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: in a house where my parents, like the phone book
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: was open on the kitchen table to divorce lawyers, lawyers
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: every day, and there'd be knockdown, drag out fights. Nothing physical.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Mom didn't beat up dad. Dad did beat up Mom.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: But it was just constant yelling and screaming and anger.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: And I was a kid and I didn't understand how
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: like one year I got a transformer for Christmas and
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: the next year I got socks, and well, I look
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: back at it now with the perspective, is like, okay,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: so that's probably when my dad got laid off, right, right,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: And there was always money for you know, a thirty
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: pack of Old Style and a cart and a cigarettes,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: a piece and wine and whatever medication, whatever expensive doctor
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: told you you needed to take. And it wasn't so
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: much it was it was just like a like a neglect.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I can't play baseball anymore. Because you can't afford it.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Hockey is expensive, so that's fucking out. I have no
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: recourse to do anything. And I discovered through music. I
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: discovered punk rock, and I discovered we well, shit, they
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: don't they're not paying attention to me. I'd disappear for
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: weeks at a time or a weekend, and I would
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: go into the city and I'd go to these punk shows.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: You know, my friend, my friend Nora, who was at
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: the All State Arena on Monday, you know, like she'd
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: pick me up and we'd disappear into the city and
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: we'd go to the Fireside Bowl and see the Blue
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Meanies or see like I saw Green Day playing nineteen
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety four at the Fireside Bowl, this old
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Glepidade bowling Alley, and I found a community through that,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: like these oh the shit, these people. Somebody would buy
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: me a hot dog and you know, like it just
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: experienced all this shit that I didn't get like at home,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and then I think that helped me. Like
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was a misfit. I felt like
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I did, you know, like I had a sibling who
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: got bought a car and went to college, dropped out,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: like they spent the month. Yeah, so when it came
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: my turn, whether it was just through circumstance of bad
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: luck you don't have a job now, or what fucking ever,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: but like I didn't, I didn't. I didn't get shit.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't get anything.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: So I had to outsource, right, and including love.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it was easy for me,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: but again, I think some kids have it a lot
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: harder with like violence or sexual abuse or stuff like that.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm definitely not crying over spilt milk. I I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: turned out okay, but I wasn't getting what I thought
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I needed.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Did you get hugs?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: No, No, like I But at the time, at the time,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: I was just like I wasn't like, hey, I want
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: to hug you know what I mean.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: I was just way it was.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I would I would get into fights at
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: school and you know, I have a black eye, and
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I would come home and I would just hear, that's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: not how you want to fight. And I would just
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: be like, fucking cool, all right, that's not how you
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: want to fight. What the you know, Like, yeah, I'm okay, Yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm all right, thanks, you know, And then I I
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: just I, like I said, I outsourced. So for any
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: kid that's going through some you know, some rough ship.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't tell you exactly how to better
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: your your your situation without details or stuff like that.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Just know that there's there's a there's a space for
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: you somewhere, Like I found it through music, and then
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: I found it through wrestling, because man, if there was
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: ever a place where I belong, it's a pro wrestling
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: locker room about just misfits. You know.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: I've always said we're like the Island of misfit.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Because I'd be I'd be sitting in the locker room
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: and everyone would be like, you don't do drugs, You're
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: weird kid, you fit right in. That would be fucking
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: smoking crack in the bathroom, all right, cool like, and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: like nobody nobody gave a ship, nobody cared what color
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: you were, what your religion was. It was just like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: we're all wrestlers and it was us for them. And
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's what I thought, my you know,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: like these people treat me better than mom and dad
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't make any sense to me, right, you know,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: So at a very early age, like I didn't I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: didn't cry about it, I was just like, well, I'm
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: not getting it here.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: I'll get it here, right, you know, but find your community.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But but I also think that can be very
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: difficult for some people. For me, I think it was
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: very easy. And whether you want to say I'm cold
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: hearted or whatever, it was, but it was very easy
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: for me to just be like Okay, no, all right, right,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I'll go here, you know. And I you know, I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: tried to. I don't know, fix things is the word,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: but like I to find out real fast, Like when
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: you become famous.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: And you have money, right kind of yeah, crawling back.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Kind of changes everything. You know. I've I've paid for
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: more mortgages and funerals in my time than I care
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: to count.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: But also like I look at it, like, right, you
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: can afford to do it.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: It's money. Yeah, I'll make more. And you showed me
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: who you were, and.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: When people show you who they are, believe in the
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: first time.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I to me a great quote that I
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: always like, and I like to tell people if you
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: feel like you're going through hell, keep going.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because chances are you're going to get to the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: other shoes.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: You're going to get through the other side. A lot
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: faster than if you stop and you turn.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Around and you go back, yeah, or if you just stop.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Keep well, then you're stuck in hell. Right, keep moving, right,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: keep moving.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: It's great advice. And what do you need to believe?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: I have never lacked self belief, so I think you
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: need to. I think you need to believe in yourself.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: It's really important.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's real easy for uh, you know, to me,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Like my brain, my head was like a boat and
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: I'm floating through the ocean and if I let the
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: water in, I'm going to sink. So if anybody would
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: be like, well you suck, you stick with whatever, I'd
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm not. I'm not going to believe that.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep doing me. Yeah,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be happy and do what I like.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Like I became a wrestler because I wanted to be
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: a wrestler. It wasn't like, oh, I want to be
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: rich and famous, right, you know. I I think a
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: lot of kids today just you know, if you ask
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: them what they want to be, they tell you they
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: want to be famous.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't enjoy being famous at all. It's not
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: to me. The fame is fame is an apparition. It
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't really fucking exist, you know. It's it's just a
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: it's a side effect of being good at what you do.
• 1:44:40
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  Speaker 2: And so there's gonna be a lot of negative comments.
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  Speaker 2: Don't don't read them. Try your best not to read them.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of negative comments, and then
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of positive comments.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Both of them are.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Bullsh Everybody reads the positive, but it's but none because
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: if you believe the great stuff well, now you're the best.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Now you're an ego maniac. But then you also have
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: to believe the bad stuff.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: And it's just tough and it's hard not to read
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: it because you want feedback, but it's not the right
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: feedback to your point.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's easy for anybody to sit back
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: and criticize. And I'm sure at some point in history,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it. You know. Twitter just gave.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: I'm still guilty of it, and I and I do
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: the same thing, and I catch myself.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Twitter just gave everybody a voice, and I really need
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: to fucking hear what everybody right thinks. You know, I
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: don't care, Like I look at things like I look
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: at like a rotten tomato score of like the thing
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: John Carpenter's the Thing nineteen eighty four, and it I like,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: how is that not one hundred percent? Right?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: Who the fuck made that call?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm going to fucking ignore them, you
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, yeah, Okay, there's there's there's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: a there's something for everybody. Like some wrestling is not
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: for me. I understand that there's an audience for it,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: so cool, go do that. But comparison is the thief
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: of joy, right, you know, like that can't compare a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: lot of things like apples to apples.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Right, And everyone's different and everyone's circumstance is different.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: But I don't think like your mindset is common. Like
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: the ability you have to just even at a young age,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: it sounds like your boat and picturing, like the way
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: to just shut out the negative.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Well, we call it rad radicalization, right, Like when were
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: you radicalized? I was radicalized very very young. Yeah, and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: just by my parents because I just sat back and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I wid I was like, this is a yeah, that's okay.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: And you didn't repeat the same patterns. But a lot
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: of people do, see. I mean people talk about like
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: childhood trauma and this is the reason why you do
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: this and blah blah blah. And I don't think it
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: really necessarily goes that deep. I just think I saw
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: money true time, and like you know, like stuff spent
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: on drugs and alcohol, and I was just like, well,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: that shit doesn't make any sense to me, I you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: and not to not to get into the religion thing,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: but like again, like I see you spending money on
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: this stuff and you're throwing a fifty in the collection plate.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Every Sunday I'm wearing and I'm wearing this, like so
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: this is one of the one of those things if
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: you talk about childhood trauma. Like I used to have
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: like one pair of jeans and one pair of shoes,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and like I didn't care. And then I
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: had money and I was still wearing them, and I
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: was just like, I don't really, I don't really care
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: because this is whatever, you know, Like, and now I
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: feel guilty like that I have like multiple pairs of
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: shoes and I own these suits and like I have
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: that little like I have some guilt about that, you know,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: and that's just something I got to work through them.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was you're giving them, you're giving money
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: to other people, and you're telling me I can't. You
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: don't have the the tuition so I can play baseball.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: I was good at baseball, right, you know, I was.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: You're an athlete, yeah, you know. And was there like
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: a boys and girls club for you or anything like that.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: No, I mean everything was school extracurricular activities, you know
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just like I didn't I
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: didn't have the money to do anything. Yeah, wrestling, football,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Like I tried that from I made the team coaches
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: like you got to cut your hair, and I was like,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I can't do that.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: How long was your hair? Back then?
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: I had a mohawk, had a.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: Like a spikey mohawk or like a short.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Purple liberty spike mohawks.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: So just straight down, straight down the middle, okay, full punk. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: do we have pictures of them?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: I was Actually it was like the one regrettable thing,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: right because I don't really talk to anybody in my
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: biological families, like there's a there's a plethora of baby
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: pictures out there somewhere that would be pretty good.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, somewhere along the line, we need to
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: get these.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: There's some there's some pictures. I know. I think we
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: might have used them for some things that I'm not
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: exactly sure, but but.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: The purple mohawk I definitely have not seen.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: I mean a I could generate.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Please don't make ail. Yeah, I mean like glue in
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: my hair knocks.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: To because you've got to get it to stand up,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: got it?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hurricane couldn't have blown that hair over?
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: Did you blow it dry upside down?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Because I would literally I would boil I would boil
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: noos gelatin on the stove. Wow. Yeah, and then you
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of put it in and style it and
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: spike it and that ship.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: Like and then how do you shave my head?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Eventually? Yeah, you don't sleep well?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Likely?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: Fun?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Not fun.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: But so believing in yourself, community, doing what you love, right,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: if you're lucky enough to be able to do that,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: tuning out the noise.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: What else?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that might be enough.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: I think it is, you know, I think it is.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: But when you said you were the best in the world,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: did you believe it at that time because you said
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: the first time pipe bomb?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: When when just because you had said that, like when
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: you thought you were really doing well, and then you'd
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: get in the ring with Eddie and you'd be like, oh,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: I've got a long way to go, like yeah, and that.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: It would really really frustrate you. Is that because you
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: believed you were the best in the world or just because.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: My world was very small at that moment?
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay it was a small right, Yeah, so in
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: this in this bubble. But I think it helped you
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: in a way, right, like to have that confidence.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, because I think I think anybody else at
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: that stage would have been scared shitless to be in
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: a room with Eddie.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: And I was like, nope, I want to learn.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: There's that three way that I had with Eddie and Ray.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: And it was in Indianapolis. I don't know what the building.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: It was small, you know, like a rec center kind
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: of thing, and like Eddie had just gotten fired because
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: he got a DUI, he's getting a divorce. I walk
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: in the locker room and there's you know, Eddie was
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: just like kind of sitting there. He probably just flown in.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: He's probably exhausted, he probably didn't sleep. He struggling with
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: staying sober at this moment, sure, because he wants his
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: family back, he wants his job back. I walk up
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: to him and say, mister Guerrero, I'm wrestling you know
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: you to night. And he looked up at me and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: he smiled, and he's like, Hey, is it okay if
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: you and Ray just put it together. He's like, I don't.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at three ways. And I was like,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: it's the boss. Anything you want, and I get with Ray.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Talk about this match. Talk to Eddie. Sounds good, like
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: he trusted Ray. You knew Ray, he didn't need to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: do shit with me. And to this day it's it's
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite matches. Like, yeah, I mean, Ray
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: are constantly like if I see it come up in
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: my feet, I send it to Ray and vice versa.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: That's cool, and it's yeah, it's it's a it's a
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: real moment, precious moments.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: It's a super precious moment, you know that. And I
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: always every time I see Ray, I grab them. Hey man,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: I love you. We're still here, We're still doing this,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: look at us. Cool.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: Cool, that's really fucking cool.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: It's a very cool community community.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Which I equate to love. Yeah, you know, and the
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: importance of love. But there was one last lesson from you,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: and that is to do what scares you.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really important. That's not you know,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: that's not danger. Let's not join the army and.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, well, it's whatever it means to you, right,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: it might mean different things to different people.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: The the.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: Gosh, the the worry of screwing up and looking stupid
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: and failing, I think has probably killed more careers and
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: brilliant minds than anything else, you know, because there I
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: think everybody at some level early on experience is bullying,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: Like people get made fun of for whatever you look like,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, so it immediately you know, gets
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: them to shell up and stay inside. When I think that,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: you know, that's probably done more harm for some of
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: the greatest creative minds that we'll never know about, you know,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: like I want I want people to fit like I'll
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: I tell the kids all the time, like go fail spectacularly. Yeah,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: you never you never know like what's gonna come of it.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: You might literally become at peace with whatever it is
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: to go up. Okay, you know what, that's the worst
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: that could happen. That's or you know what, that's not
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: for me, and then you go find something else right,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: you know, or you go, oh, that's not so bad.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: What about even asking somebody out you know.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: What's been in the back of my mind when you
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: mentioned like doing things that scare the shitty of me,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: asking April to marry me.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: And knowing how she felt about married, Like.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: You think, for a second, I give a shit what
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: somebody says about me stepping into a fucking cage when
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: the scariest moment of my life was like buying a
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: ring and not knowing like I don't know shit about jewelry, right,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know shit about like does she
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: like jewelry? Like I just knew I had to ask
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: her this question, and fuck what if she says no?
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: Like what you know, Like that's scary, yeah, you know,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: like falling on my face, getting beat up and fucking
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: choked out. I don't you know what. I had pancakes
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: the next morning with my beautiful wife, and I was
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: just like, what do you want to do next?
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it matters most.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, coming back to WWE, it's a little scary. I
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: bet That's when I knew. I was like, well, I
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: have to. I have to fucking I have to do it,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, main eventing WrestleMania at forty seven years old.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: It's a little scary, I bet.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: You know, telling yourself, okay, you know what, Yeah, get
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: in the best shape of your life. That's a little scary.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: So I have to. I have to do these things.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: Someday I'm not going to be able to do these
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: things anymore, but it's not fucking today.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: That's right. Amen, here we are, right.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's a great way to end it. Thank you.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: So much until part two.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could keep talking. I really yeah, Yeah, it's fun.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: Have you told the story of how you proposed or
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: is that private?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've told it.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard you say that April had
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: to tell it.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: Have you guys heard it.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're comfortable telling it. We'd love
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: to hear it, but understand if you're.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Not, I'll tell you. Okay, I'll tell you because I
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: feel like I've maybe.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: Just done well and maybe you haven't.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: We just uh, she had a she had a little
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: condo in Tampa right because she was in Tampa for FCW.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: She got pulled up the road, so she was still
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: living in Tampa. Sometimes she would come to Chicago. Sometimes
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: I would go to Tampa. I think I feel like
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: we dated for like two years. Uh, but we didn't.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend, she had a boyfriend, and we
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: would just always be around each other. And I really
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: feel like looking back.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: At it, and now I go, oh, it was obvious.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you know, like zero physical happened. It was
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: just it was just like you were.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Drawn to each other. Yeah, undeniable.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Uh So when I get the bright idea that you know,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask her to marry me, like I
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: think we've only truly literally been dating for like six months.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: But it was just you know, ask me how I knew?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: You just knew. I just knew. So I get this
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: fucking ring, and I'm anxious because I'm like, do.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: You even know her rings? Sighs? No, right, nothing?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I I went. I can't remember exactly I
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: backchanneled to get it somehow somebody at work, you know, Like, yeah,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, but did the things I stress about,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to spend money on this ring, and
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh is this Am I spending enough? Money? Like? Right?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: Like this is supposed to be like some sort of
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: like Housewives of like Decatur County, like Giant Rock, Like
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: what am I supposed to spend them? Does it mean?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: How much I love it?
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 7: I knew.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I knew like I knew her favorite color and I
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: knew her And it was just like one of those
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: things where I was just like how I was basing
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: it off that, you know, And then I found out
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: there's an engagement ring and a wedding ring, and I
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm out of my death here, you know.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: But so, uh, this is the plan I came up with.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: I bought her flowers every week, right, so whether she
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: was in Chicago, there'd be flowers, or if she was
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: in Tampa and I was in Chicago in between.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: Being kind of road, any kind of flower, I would
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: just call it the flora okay, and just be like, yeah,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: doud do roses?
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: What do you got today? Send whatever?
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: So always different.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying every day, but at least once
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: a week flowers. I never write anything on the card
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: because I was going to see her in a couple
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: of days.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Like what do you write?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even sure we were at I
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: love you yet, you know what I mean? The funk
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: am I writing in this car? You know, like, hey
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: see you soon? I don't know, you know. So I
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: like we went out, I think to get groceries and
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: I had to delivery coming and on the card I wrote,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: will you marry me? Okay? So we come back from
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: the groceries, there's the flowers. They're delivered. They just put
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: them there, and you know, I'm probably like pale, they're
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: gray sweat, and we like get inside and I got
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: these groceries, and I'm like, I put the groceries on
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: the kitchen counter, and I'm just like standing goes against
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: the flowers and puts them on the counter, and she
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: starts like putting the groceries away, right, card, you know,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just like looking at the flowers. She like turns around,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: she's like, you can help me put the grocery. Oh yes, sorry,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: So now I'm putting the groceries away, you know what
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: I mean. And she's not paying any mind to the case.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: She doesn't think there's a card because.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: There's nothing written on the card, right yeah, So imagine
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: that shut myself in the foot on it. So we
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: like put the groceries away, and she's like thanks to
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: the flowers, babe. And I'm like, I can't describe how
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: I was. I just had to be acting so weird.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, you know. I sure like.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Hands in my pockets, standing like really rigid, like straight,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: just like like looking at the flowers and being like
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: you know, and she like she goes and sits on
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: the couch and like turns the TV on and she's like,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing? And I'm
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: just like standing in the kitchen like a horror movie,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm just like trying to
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: come up with the brain power figure out, you know.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: And she liked of looks at me, and she's like
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if she she figured something out
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: enough to like, you know, snatch the thing and open
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: it up, and you know, like while she turned around
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: to read it, I was like, get the ring out,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: you know. And then she like turned around and was
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: just like staring at me, and we both like sat
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: there with like tears in her eyes probably what felt
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: like five minutes, and then I was just I think,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: I think I said get down on my knee, and
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, yes, I got down on my knee.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: And I said, will you marry me?
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: And she said yes.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah yeah. Now I get why that
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: was the scariest thing you've ever done, right.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: It was rough. It was I remember it is like
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: I'm I was legit sweating, like sweat went into my
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: eye and I was like, oh, I was like, oh
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: my god, because so many things things go through my
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: head because I'm literally like I can run away right now,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. I can abort mission on this
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: you know, which is not what you want to be
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: thinking at the moment, you know. But yeah, I didn't.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't contemplate like how this could have gone south?
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: It went south?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: It did not.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: I mean she said it course corrected. But in that moment,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh this, yeah, this isn't great. Yeah, you
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: saw it differently, like I'm sure, I'm sure there was
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: like a mumble like you're not going to read the car.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: There's something in these flowers had to be like that.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a stressful situation, but I think they're
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: supposed to be right.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: They are. They are.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: The imperfection is what makes it so great. I think so,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: you know, and you guys were obviously meant to be together.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: I love to watch the two of you together, I
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: really do. And especially the way she talks about you
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: and the way you talk about her and the way
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: you look at each other.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: It's very rare. It's beautiful. Wow, it's beautiful. Thanks for
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: sharing that with us.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we try to be very protective of
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: our private life. But yeah, I think that's a I
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: think that's a sweet story.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: It is, it is, and it's you know, something you
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: were scared to do that you did that mattered the most.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: And if you never would have asked, who knows, right.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: I like to think you guys would have been together anyway.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: If I never asked.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: She is tough. We learned that, I mean, yes, we did.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. This is just incredible. I look
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 3: forward to part two.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: We'll do another Yeah, sure, yeah, absolutely.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: When we have even more perspective. Yeah, and Eliza's ship
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: story has to come out of that. I'm working out
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: of guys. Maybe tonight's the night it'll happen. It will
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: thank you both putting this on me. I could pee.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Well, no, but it's more more, it's a better story
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: if ship yeah, don't shard sharp shar sharked sharp.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: I guess it makes more sense by ship fart. There's
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: no there's no d but it sounds sharding like I
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: feel like it sounds.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: Like we're gonna it's completely different thing.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: It could be. It could very well be. I'm spudding.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: I'm spreading. Also. Thank you, thank you, thank you,