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Dramatic Canadian Grand Prix Recap - Fast Laps with the Boys - F1 2024 - Spain Preview · Banter with the Boys

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  Yo, welcome back to Banter with the Boys Fast Laps.
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  I know it's been a minute.
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  We went back to our original plan of recapping the race a good week after that's happened.
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  So of course we're going to talk about the Canadian Grand Prix and the Spanish Grand
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  Prix coming up.
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  So let's just get right into it here.
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  Obviously Joe right next to me as always our co-host.
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  Joe, what's going on?
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  Happy to be here.
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  Three weeks is way too long.
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  It felt extremely long.
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  It felt extremely long, especially after a race like that and a race coming up, which
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  is going to hopefully be equally as fun.
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  Yeah, three weeks is way too long.
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  Really happy to be back here.
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  For sure, for sure.
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  And next to him, obviously we got Cole, Cole Hauser Week, man.
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  Good, good.
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  Looks like we're going to get storms today.
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  So on suit for Tuesday.
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  That is cool.
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  Yeah, has to be that way.
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  And I was saying this yesterday when we were all chatting, but this was like the first
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  race where I was pretty locked in the entire time.
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  It was a very fun race.
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  I'm excited to get into it.
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  I'm really disappointed.
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  I missed a good chunk of this race.
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  I was not locked in, but we still we still know what went on.
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  Tyler, what's going on?
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  Not much, man.
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  Just typical Tuesday storms.
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  Hopefully we actually get a good one.
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  Typical Tuesday storms, hoping for a tree to fall, according to him.
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  Yeah, just take out just clip the top out the top portion of the house and take out
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  the garage.
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  That's it.
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  That's all you're asking for.
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  We need not a big deal.
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  That's it.
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  That's it.
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  Let's just head right into quality for Canada real quick.
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  We don't need to touch on it that much.
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  It was a little bit different.
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  Did anybody actually catch quality like live or actually watch the whole duration of it?
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  Yep.
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  Joe, you did.
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  Yeah, I tried.
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  I always try to at least watch quality in the race whenever weekends coming up.
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  For sure.
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  What was you could take away one thing from quality?
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  Since this specific race, what did you see that impressed you?
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  I mean, there are check going out in Q1.
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  It's like it's surprising, but also it's starting to become not surprising, which is not great
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  considering he just got that contract extension.
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  I guess the other really big thing to call out for qualifying, we're actually two things
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  to call out, three things to call out.
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  Ferrari's out in Q2, both V carbs in Q3.
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  And finally, George and Max with the exact same time at the end of Q3.
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  I think that this is the first time in like, it was either like 40 years maybe.
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  I could be wrong, but it's been a while.
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  It was the late 90s.
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  It actually happened at Canada.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Oh, it did really?
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  Yeah, it was three people had the same time.
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  Wow.
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  That's crazy.
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  So not 40 years, but about half of that.
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  Yeah.
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  So very, very interesting quality.
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  It was a fun watch.
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  And then the race just kind of, yeah, it followed suit.
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  It was maybe not like how I would want the race to end, but it was still a really good
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  race to watch.
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  Probably the best this year so far in my opinion.
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  Yeah.
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  The one other call out in Quali is Danny Rick putting up a five spot in Quali was not expected.
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  If you're thinking a V carb is going to be up there, it'd be Yuki.
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  But he answered that one dude whose name is blank in me's criticism.
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  Yeah.
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  It was Jacques Villeneuve.
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  Yeah.
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  The guy who was like the tracks named after.
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  Either the son or the father.
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  Yeah.
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  Wait, wait, what did he say?
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  He was like before the race, he was just saying like this guy should not be in a car basically.
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  Yeah.
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  He was like pretty much watched.
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  He was like, there's no reason this guy's in a car.
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  It was right before Quali.
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  It was like a part of like the Sky Sports broadcast.
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  So then he qualies P5 and then finishes in points.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And he made his remarks known because he was asked that question after I think either
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  qualifying or the race.
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  And he's like, well, here I am, you know, qualifying fifth, super close to first.
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  Like he's a little bit explicit, I think.
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  I might be wrong, but didn't Danny Rick said that there was like a few times like this
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  guy's been consistently hating on him, right?
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  Oh, really?
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  He said he's always been a hater and he can lick his.
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  Ah, word.
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  Word.
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  Nice.
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  Things and stuff, things and stuff.
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  Yeah, no, for sure.
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  Right off the bat in the GP, obviously for Sap and getting the dub.
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  But he had a little, I mean, it was a little bit of hiccups early on, but he got it figured
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  out.
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  I thought for sure that the box by who was it Lando?
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  I thought for sure maybe they had time timed that up appropriately.
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  And then he got loose coming out and you could tell he wasn't going to make it.
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  But if he would have made it out, do you think Lando could have held for Sap and off this
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  race?
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  Not on those tires.
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  That first lap probably got him.
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  I mean, it would have been a prey to just keep up and keep the DRS.
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  If he stayed in the DRS after that lap.
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  Yeah, I think he was just really is a faster car.
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  I mean, you saw earlier on the race.
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  He went up by like 12 seconds, I think.
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  Lando?
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  Yeah, I don't remember the exact time.
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  It was a good show.
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  But clearly it was the quickest car on the track.
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  Right before, right before the safety car, he was building a good amount of time on Max
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  for sure.
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  He was Max for Sap.
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  He was Max for Sap at the beginning of the season.
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  That's how much of a gap.
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  It was just unreal.
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  Yeah.
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  Do you guys know when you box, do they keep those, the next set of tires or whatever,
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  do they heat those up as well or keep those at a certain temp?
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  You know?
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  Yeah, almost all the tires that are like.
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  Oh, are they?
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  Are they under warmers?
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  You only do so much though, really.
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  Well, right, because that's what, you know, I think the commentators may have even mentioned,
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  I can't even remember.
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  But when Lando was coming out and he, you know, broke loose a little bit, obviously,
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  he was just trying to push it probably more than he should to try to get out in front
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  of Max.
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  But is that maybe an issue where the tires just obviously didn't have an opportunity
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  to actually get warmed up enough?
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  I think the pit lane was just still super wet compared to the rest of the track and
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  the exit was super, super wet.
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  So like we saw Lando, like you said, kind of fishtail a little bit and Max went right
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  past him.
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  That was just a case of he's on slicks driving on like a wet portion of the track.
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  It's going to be a tough and also his tires aren't warmed up.
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  So even if it was a dry track, he would have had to fight Max at least a little bit.
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  But yeah, that is that wet track definitely gave it to Max.
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  I think it was entirely.
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  It was just it was just wet.
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  But because he was 20 seconds ahead going into the end.
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  Yeah, because because Max had hit it.
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  But do you think so?
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  The curious thing I thought was, do you think he waited?
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  I thought I felt like he waited too long.
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  I think he shouldn't have done that next lap.
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  He should just pitted and then came out.
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  Yeah, I think he did one to one lap too many.
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  Yeah, it was the opposite of what happened to Verstappen in Miami.
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  You know, it was like but it was it wasn't that like he pitted too late.
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  It was like they when he got past the pit exit, they hadn't actually called the virtual
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  safety car yet or the actual safety car.
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  It was still virtual.
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  So he was just trying to hit lap delta.
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  And if they wouldn't have if they if they would have called it just a second earlier,
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  they would have put him in.
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  But those are you're talking about two different times, though, because you're talking about
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  in the initial where you got caught behind and you got caught behind the safety car and
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  couldn't.
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  I'm talking his second pit.
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  I mean, in the second one, it was the second one.
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  He was on the Elbon crashed.
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  But the second one, he was on the enters and just trying to gain speed.
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  And then he did another lap.
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  And then because he went out lap longer and pitted.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, that was so that to go to the mediums.
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  Yeah, that was when he spun on the on the track.
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  I got you.
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  I got you.
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  That's and that was and that was after the initial safety car where Lando missed the
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  pit and then got yeah and then got screwed over in the same thing in Miami.
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  But yeah, he was I mean, he was back in first because of the because he's putting out crazy
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  laps on the enters to where he might have had a chance to still come out in first and head
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  of Max.
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  But like they had him go another lap and the track was so dry.
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  Just didn't make any sense.
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  He was trying to go for an overcut and hopefully.
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  And I think what they were really hoping was what happened to him after coming out of the
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  pits is that it would take longer for them to warm up and maybe he would get some sort
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  of advantage.
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  But yeah, it didn't work out that way for sure.
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  Well, we'll touch back on Lando and Piastra here in a second.
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  But staying with Red Bull, obviously, I know I have not much to say about Max this race,
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  you know, typical stuff.
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  But what about Sergio?
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  Again, going back to your point that you've already mentioned about the quality of him
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  signing that new deal.
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  And then, you know, not only did he, you know, smash his vehicle up, but he's now received
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  a three grid penalty for next race.
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  You said typical stuff from Max.
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  Can we not start saying this is typical stuff from Czechos?
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  100 percent.
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  I mean, at this point, 100 percent.
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  I think you can, which again is awkward to talk about after the extension.
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  I'll stay quoted on this.
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  I think in the beginning, I think episode one or two that we released from the season,
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  I said that he will not be in the top five.
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  I think I do remember you saying that.
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  I can't remember what episode it was.
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  You will not finish in the driver's standing.
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  Yeah, he will not finish in the top five.
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  And I think that's even more the way it's going.
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  You might not be wrong.
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  He's always struggled in Canada.
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  It's like his worst track on the grid.
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  But just like over the last couple races, too, like I get this race kind of really sucked
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  for him.
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  But the last couple races, now you're giving him a three grid penalty that probably puts
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  him out of the top 10 based on how he's performing.
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  I just I don't know, it's going to take another race car at Spain, though.
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  He might be able to at least.
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  But I mean, even even like you were saying, he only has three street races left.
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  Is that correct?
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  I think you said I think there's more than three.
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  I'd have to look at the other three.
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  But like, let's say even if there's three.
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  Something's got to click, something's got to build momentum, something's got to build
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  confidence in him again.
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  Is it the next street track and how long until that actually how long until that next one
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  is?
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  It's not the next three races.
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  I know that.
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  But with with Checos will accident.
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  Was it the team orders to have him try to bring the car back?
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  OK, so we were trying to they were trying to prevent a safety car.
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  100 percent.
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  100 percent.
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  So you can't fault them for that.
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  No, the three place grid penalty.
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  That's not Red Bull.
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  That's not on Checo.
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  No, 100 percent.
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  You know, stuff falling off.
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  Put himself in a place where his car was banged up, where he had to pit.
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  Of course.
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  I mean, you're fighting for he was trying to fight for 17th.
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  And what are you doing?
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  He spun and went backwards into the wall.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I mean, honestly, not much else to talk about Checo other than I guess.
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  You know, we'll see what he does in Spain.
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  I mean, he's got to have a bounce back bounce back race at a track that Red Bulls can do
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  very well at, I would imagine.
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  He kind of needs it personally.
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  You say he's going to do pretty well.
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  We'll talk about that later.
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  Well, and we'll just roll right into it.
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  The Mercedes this weekend.
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  Did they have any upgrades coming into this race that we know of?
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  Like not that I know.
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  It's like huge life changing.
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  They had them coming into Monaco, actually.
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  Sure.
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  So they had the upgrades going into Monaco.
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  But Monaco is like I said, it's a time trial.
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  It's how you qualify.
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  So they didn't get the qualifying so they couldn't actually show the cars like potential
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  and performance.
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  When we were chatting to you were saying that the upgrades are more for the fast corners,
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  correct?
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  Yeah, they were more for the high speed corners.
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  Because that's where the Mercedes downfall the last two, maybe even three years is high
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  speed corners.
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  They just cannot perform at the high speed corners of all the other cars.
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  Well, the top cars on the grid.
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  Or McLaren's been amazing the last couple of years.
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  Even Aston.
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  Aston's been substantially better than Mercedes in the high speed corners every year the last
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  two years.
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  It's been it's insane, actually.
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  I mean, they had something else this weekend or this at least in this race.
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  It seemed a little better.
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  Not a lot of high speed corners.
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  It's not as high speed.
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  It's not a lot of high speed corners.
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  That's the thing about Canada.
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  It's really like there's the DRS zone.
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  So there's a lot of potential for overtaking.
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  But like high speed corners and even, you know, with the with it being wet pretty much
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  half the race, you didn't get the even see the full potential of what that car can do.
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  For sure.
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  You're talking about the Mercedes, right?
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  Yeah.
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  If the race was dry, does Mercedes still finish where they did?
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  I mean, it's hard to say, right?
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  I mean, we can go and throw these things.
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  I think so.
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  I was I was surprised with how much of a fight it was for Hamilton against Alonso for as
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  long as it was.
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  Yes.
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  How good Russell looked in that car.
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  That surprised me.
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  Well, and Hamilton came out and said after the race that this was his worst race he's
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  ever raced.
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  And then he was racing Canada.
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  Where's well, what was it?
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  One of the I'm sorry, not ever race.
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  One of the worst races I've driven is what he said.
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  Because he's still pretty good.
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  I know.
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  He had pace.
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  Obviously finishing before still pretty solid.
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  And he had the he had the fastest lap, didn't he?
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  He did.
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  That sounds right.
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  Yeah.
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  Him and George are going back and forth.
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  Yeah.
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  With the fastest lap.
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  He was just disappointed because he knew they had the opportunity to win the race, which
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  you know, Max still drove away with it to a point, but it's still not that gap that
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  we're used to seeing this season.
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  But I mean, it was fun to watch George and Landau just battle it out.
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  It was fun.
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  It's fun and also sad to see them do so well.
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  Pretty much their first race of the year.
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  They've done really well.
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  And both of the drivers be pretty disappointed with third and fourth.
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  Because I mean, you know, Russell got pulled, but he was also you could see it in his face
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  like in the cool down room and on the like before the podium, you know, he just he couldn't
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  keep up with Max and Landau a little bit.
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  Or maybe the strategy just wasn't right for the time.
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  I don't even think there's a strategy thing.
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  He owned that about the terms.
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  Because he led a good amount of the first like portion of that race.
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  Well, he also he also said after the fact he was like there's two or three times where
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  I messed up in corners and I cost myself that race.
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  Yeah.
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  That's why he was more upset.
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  Definitely had.
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  And he got called to the stewards after the race and they just called it a race against
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  it.
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  And I think as it should have been the very last corner of the race.
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  Yeah.
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  No, but I mean, that's how he lost P2.
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  Was that that slip up there allowed Landau to get through and then you're not going to
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  catch him once he's by.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  No, I just lost my train of thought.
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  No.
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  But yeah.
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  And then at the end, it's tough with Hamilton on the hards to like obviously Russell's going
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  to get back by him, which is kind of tough because Hamilton, you know, like we just said,
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  Hamilton did have did have good pace.
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  It would have been interesting to see if he had a better tire to try to catch up to Landau.
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  Yeah.
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  I was really surprised that they they switched them because like George had the hards went
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  to mediums.
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  Lewis had the mediums went to hards.
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  I figured they would throw a new set of mediums on on Lewis.
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  I feel like that's always what Mercedes does, though.
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  They always switch.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like they're throwing all their money at one at this point of the season with how
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  low you are on points.
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  You need to throw all of them in both.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's a good point.
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  100 percent.
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  What?
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  Why is that?
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  Why do you think they're just trying to test different things all the time, different
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  strategies all the time, or is it like tailored to each driver specifically?
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  I think it's like as far as tire management, to be completely honest, I think it's entirely
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  based on where they they finish at in the qualifying.
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  I think that's where they're basing it off of and what they're thinking of.
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  But either way, I don't think.
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  Like, it just I don't know, it just makes more sense to go hard.
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  I don't know what because of being wet, being that race, I feel like they had to kind of
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  bank on and we'll talk about Haas here, obviously in a second.
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  So I have some things to say, but I feel like they should have been banking more almost
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  on the carnage, if you will.
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  Right.
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  And it might have been it might have been like a tire limitation that they didn't have
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  a new set of mediums for Lewis because Lewis was on the mediums.
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  Like you only have a certain allocation and if he uses meant X amount in like practice
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  and qualifying, you could always throw on a huge set.
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  But you know, you're better off with a new set of hearts than a used set of mediums.
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  Well, yeah, but I would think so.
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  Yeah, I hear that.
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  But they could have switched that.
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  Well, he already did.
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  Because he had started with the Inners and went to the mediums.
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  But I think what I'm talking more so about is the going from medium to hard to hard to
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  medium.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You would think that and I think when they did that, they were trying to gauge what the
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  better tire is to get about that at that point because it was the first slick they put on
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  after the Inners.
• 15:27
  Oh, so you're just saying that it would make sense to go back with another medium.
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  Right.
• 15:31
  OK, OK, OK, gotcha.
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  I mean, all in all, great showing from from Mercedes, something that I know I didn't expect
• 15:37
  to see this weekend and obviously our podium predictions.
• 15:41
  I don't think anybody had a Merc in there.
• 15:43
  No, why would you?
• 15:44
  Why would you?
• 15:45
  That'd be a good bet to win though if you had you placed a little if you would have
• 15:51
  placed Russell on the podium.
• 15:53
  Yeah, I wouldn't have made that bet.
• 15:55
  Only a true Mercedes fan would.
• 15:58
  Right, right.
• 15:59
  It was probably Lewis.
• 16:00
  It was probably Lewis.
• 16:03
  Since we touched on Lando and Russell, let's just head right into McLaren real quick just
• 16:07
  to bring them up again.
• 16:10
  Obviously Lando being pretty disappointed with with the second place.
• 16:14
  But I mean, all in all, another great drive from Lando, another consistent drive from
• 16:19
  Lando.
• 16:20
  I don't know.
• 16:22
  I'm not trying to compare because obviously two different cars, two different drivers,
• 16:24
  but he's starting to show us like kind of what Charles was showing us a couple of years
• 16:28
  back just with the consistency.
• 16:31
  You know, he's starting to get more consistent podiums.
• 16:33
  He's a mainstay on the podium.
• 16:35
  I'm here for it.
• 16:36
  So I think this switch, the both sides, kind of like we talked about last episode, I think
• 16:41
  this again shows.
• 16:45
  What's his name?
• 16:46
  Piastri.
• 16:47
  This kind of does show like his experience a little bit.
• 16:50
  Right.
• 16:51
  This is more and more showing his experience coming through in these later races where,
• 16:55
  you know, there's so much battling and so much carnage going on.
• 16:58
  Right.
• 16:59
  But as far as Norris, this is why people love Norris, I think.
• 17:02
  Like afterwards, he was like, I got me in Miami.
• 17:04
  You know, I got him in Miami.
• 17:05
  You just make, you know, it's fair.
• 17:07
  All is fair.
• 17:08
  It's just I think this is why people love Norris.
• 17:09
  He's just he's so fun to watch.
• 17:11
  He's he's he's one of those guys that just impossible to hate.
• 17:13
  He's super straight with it, too.
• 17:14
  If he's if he's at a bad day, he'll tell you like, yeah, it was a bad day.
• 17:18
  We're not where we should be.
• 17:20
  But knowing that he says that, like he's he's straight with us and hearing him say, like
• 17:25
  the car's performing well, though, so we can fight for it.
• 17:28
  That's super promising for future races.
• 17:30
  Right.
• 17:31
  And he's like he actually said, like, I look forward to every track because it seems like
• 17:34
  we're performing like that's not something that was said earlier in the definitely not
• 17:37
  definitely not.
• 17:38
  And back to whoever said, you know, he's been super consistent.
• 17:41
  He's the last person on the grid to have a point in every single race this year.
• 17:45
  Who's the other Charles?
• 17:46
  No, he's the last one.
• 17:49
  Charles hadn't finished outside of top four going into this race.
• 17:52
  Yep.
• 17:53
  Well, wow.
• 17:55
  With that, I mean, Oscar finishing fifth, I don't I don't want to like down credit Oscar,
• 18:00
  but just to keep things moving.
• 18:01
  Obviously, finishing P five, another great drive for McLaren as a whole.
• 18:07
  But we'll just go right into the Ferraris and Charles missing points and signs doing
• 18:12
  whatever.
• 18:13
  I can't remember who is involved with the sign saying if it was Albon or whatever.
• 18:17
  But what the hell happened to Ferrari this in Canada?
• 18:23
  Like I don't it's it's a replay for Leclerc, right?
• 18:26
  The engine failures was it?
• 18:27
  It was engine failures.
• 18:29
  But like he qualified P11.
• 18:31
  No, but yeah, but they were saying that he was losing half a second a lap.
• 18:35
  That was in the race.
• 18:36
  Yeah, for 20 laps.
• 18:37
  I was in I get I get the qualifying, but even in the race, like being in the Ferrari, he's
• 18:40
  climbing.
• 18:41
  He's not finishing out of the top 10 if he's not losing that much.
• 18:44
  He was in P10 when the engine started going like he was only able to gain one spot.
• 18:49
  The Ferrari is just they did not look like they had any pace.
• 18:52
  Where did Carlos quality?
• 18:53
  You remember off the top of your head?
• 18:54
  I can check real quick.
• 18:55
  But it was 1112.
• 18:56
  1112.
• 18:57
  Gosh.
• 18:58
  And I mean, they were two they were two tenths of a second off that Q2 pace to to get into
• 19:04
  the break to top 10.
• 19:05
  It wasn't even like they were like close.
• 19:08
  When did that switch flip?
• 19:10
  You know what I mean?
• 19:11
  I think I think we're just looking too much into it.
• 19:13
  I think they're fine next race.
• 19:14
  I think it's I do too.
• 19:15
  I do too.
• 19:16
  I'm probably still putting Charles on my podium, actually.
• 19:18
  Yeah, which seems wild after this race.
• 19:20
  But I mean, he didn't qualify well.
• 19:24
  But for the most part, it was a car issue for Charles.
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  And with it being wet, the first, what, 30 laps of the race, 40 laps of the race or whatever,
• 19:31
  things are just going to be different.
• 19:32
  I mean, almost unpredictable for lack of better terms.
• 19:35
  You know what I mean?
• 19:36
  The first like 10 to 15 were just so pure.
• 19:40
  Just wild.
• 19:41
  I mean, we saw a K-Meg.
• 19:43
  I mean, we'll get we'll get into just just wildness.
• 19:46
  But yeah, I mean, I guess I don't really have anything else to say about the Ferraris.
• 19:49
  The only note I literally put in there, as you guys saw, just says yikes.
• 19:53
  It's just a bad race.
• 19:55
  You know, probably one that they can just wash their hands of and hope for the best
• 19:58
  next week.
• 19:59
  But it's it's another like.
• 20:02
  It is just kind of like whatever.
• 20:03
  I think we're back to normal business next week for Ferrari.
• 20:06
  But as far as like the points and we're stepping taking first, that's huge.
• 20:10
  And then like actually inching up to Red Bull.
• 20:13
  Ferrari?
• 20:14
  Yeah, for the constructors.
• 20:15
  Yeah, for sure.
• 20:16
  It's such a big jump now.
• 20:17
  For sure.
• 20:18
  When they're slowly starting to tighten that gap and you have a check out of the top 10
• 20:23
  again.
• 20:24
  It's like, OK, now we can make it closer or something.
• 20:27
  It sucks.
• 20:28
  I hate to see it.
• 20:29
  I don't want Red Bull to win the constructors.
• 20:30
  Even if they were to move up to like a six, seven in that race, right.
• 20:32
  It narrows that margin that they broke away from.
• 20:36
  Give them a couple of points.
• 20:37
  Yeah.
• 20:38
  How far back?
• 20:39
  I know we're not doing a full, you know, update on constructors.
• 20:43
  How far back is McLaren at this point from Ferrari?
• 20:46
  Still a good chunk, I'd imagine.
• 20:48
  Forty points.
• 20:49
  Forty points.
• 20:50
  OK.
• 20:51
  And how far is Ferrari from Red Bull?
• 20:53
  Forty nine.
• 20:54
  Forty nine.
• 20:55
  I mean, that feels weird.
• 20:56
  I mean, that's closer than we're used to seeing at this point.
• 21:00
  You got to think about it.
• 21:01
  It would have.
• 21:02
  It could have been a lot closer to the 24 if it wasn't for the 25 was zero.
• 21:04
  100 percent.
• 21:05
  You know, it's crazy.
• 21:06
  100 percent.
• 21:07
  Even if they just were to knock 10 points, it's 32.
• 21:09
  It's 39 points.
• 21:10
  That just seems so much better than 49.
• 21:12
  So much more attainable.
• 21:14
  Yeah.
• 21:15
  Just just to see.
• 21:16
  Just just as a fan that doesn't isn't particular to a team, just to see what what would happen,
• 21:22
  what changes heading into this week.
• 21:23
  Probably nothing.
• 21:24
  You know, everybody's just looking at each race individually.
• 21:26
  But I don't know.
• 21:27
  That would have been wild to see.
• 21:29
  Huge opportunity miss for Ferrari.
• 21:31
  I. Yeah.
• 21:32
  At the same time, though, like the way this season is unfolding, I think there's more
• 21:35
  opportunities if the question is if they can capitalize on them.
• 21:39
  That's it.
• 21:40
  That's it.
• 21:41
  Ferrari, if they can capitalize on opportunities.
• 21:44
  Aston.
• 21:47
  Finishing about where we kind of expect them to see, including Stroll.
• 21:50
  Hit in that top 10, probably a couple of spots up than where we're used to seeing them or
• 21:56
  where we would expect to see him because of the Ferraris.
• 21:58
  I see Alonso maybe I know about Stroll.
• 22:01
  That's I mean, hey, I mean, he's still beat out, you know, nobody.
• 22:06
  I mean, everybody else, everybody else in that top 10 is also not really.
• 22:10
  I mean, he beat out exactly.
• 22:11
  He beat out exactly who he should have beat out.
• 22:14
  His car is exactly where it should.
• 22:17
  So not much that we can really say about that.
• 22:21
  Alonso looked great early fighting with Hamilton.
• 22:23
  He did.
• 22:24
  He did.
• 22:25
  No, he did.
• 22:26
  And why did it?
• 22:27
  Why did they track off a little bit?
• 22:28
  I mean, obviously, that car is not going to keep up.
• 22:30
  They just don't have the pace.
• 22:31
  Yeah, they're not.
• 22:32
  Once it once it dried up, I mean, once it dried up and they're trying mediums and hards,
• 22:35
  it was kind of.
• 22:36
  Alonso just let them buy.
• 22:37
  That's true.
• 22:38
  The battling was again when it was wet.
• 22:39
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  It's just pure unpredictability.
• 22:41
  If it's pure skill in the rain and just the line.
• 22:44
  I mean, Alonso is going to be able to fight with you wherever he's at.
• 22:46
  But first legend, I mean, it was still kind of fun.
• 22:48
  Yeah, it was entertaining.
• 22:49
  It's always fun seeing those two go head ahead.
• 22:53
  But moving right along, Alpine taking advantage of two missing Ferraris in the top 10.
• 22:59
  That's three big points for that team, man.
• 23:01
  100 percent.
• 23:02
  No doubt.
• 23:03
  I mean, we still saw O'Conn still saw O'Conn cutting the lawn, you know, a couple of times,
• 23:10
  I think, actually, even went flying over the curb.
• 23:12
  Yeah, O'Conn's going to O'Conn.
• 23:14
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  Yeah.
• 23:16
  I was actually having like a very heated debate with a friend who I watched these races with.
• 23:21
  You get heated, Joe?
• 23:22
  I did.
• 23:23
  OK, so I get heated in the comfort of my own home on Discord and on the Internet, you know,
• 23:31
  where I can't see my face.
• 23:33
  You silly goose.
• 23:36
  Yeah, exactly.
• 23:37
  Those words were thrown around.
• 23:38
  I'm curious.
• 23:41
  Who do you think is the better driver between the two, Gastly or O'Conn?
• 23:45
  Got to ride with my boy.
• 23:46
  Gastly.
• 23:47
  Got to ride with my boy Gastly.
• 23:48
  No, no, no.
• 23:49
  But we're all Gastly fans.
• 23:50
  I agree.
• 23:51
  And I unfortunately think that on my end, I agree.
• 23:54
  I think Gastly is the better driver, but I also think it's because I dislike O'Conn so
• 23:57
  much.
• 23:58
  I just don't.
• 23:59
  I think from a talent perspective, I think Gastly hasn't.
• 24:01
  I think if O'Conn didn't mess up so much and he wasn't so aggressive, he could.
• 24:06
  They're probably pretty evenly stacked with each other.
• 24:08
  I would agree with that, but you have to take that into account.
• 24:11
  100 percent.
• 24:12
  That's a part of the talent is not being able to control that.
• 24:14
  Why do you dislike O'Conn so much?
• 24:17
  I don't want to make you mad.
• 24:22
  This conversation is getting too silly.
• 24:24
  Team Lookers.
• 24:25
  You know what?
• 24:26
  I'm going to hop on Discord right now.
• 24:27
  I think it's just kind of his path.
• 24:31
  I don't think DTS really painted a great picture of him either, so maybe that's a little bit
• 24:35
  why too.
• 24:36
  I don't think DTS painted a great picture of a lot of people.
• 24:38
  I think Monaco did.
• 24:39
  They have their favorites.
• 24:40
  Yeah, 100 percent.
• 24:41
  They have their favorites.
• 24:42
  Hey Rick.
• 24:43
  Lando.
• 24:44
  Yeah, I just think, yeah.
• 24:47
  He feuds with every single teammate he has.
• 24:50
  He didn't get along with Alonso very well.
• 24:56
  I think he was okay with Ricardo maybe, but I don't really think they...
• 25:00
  So on that though, do you think he has a seat next year?
• 25:03
  No.
• 25:04
  O'Conn?
• 25:05
  No, he doesn't.
• 25:06
  We already know he doesn't.
• 25:07
  Yeah, but do you think he gets picked up?
• 25:08
  He has a seat in general.
• 25:09
  No, no.
• 25:10
  So okay.
• 25:11
  No?
• 25:12
  I'm going to...
• 25:13
  I'm going to bring him up again because there is another part of the argument where I don't
• 25:17
  think it's going to happen, but it would be a safe bet.
• 25:19
  But I will bring him up again when we start talking about what seats are left, specifically
• 25:24
  the Mercedes seat and who their options are.
• 25:27
  Oh yeah, we'll touch on that a little bit.
• 25:29
  I'm not saying he deserves it.
• 25:30
  That's interesting because he's total his boy.
• 25:34
  That's what I'm thinking.
• 25:35
  I never even thought about that.
• 25:36
  Let's talk about that when we get to news, but I'll hold it for a little bit just because
• 25:40
  we have a lot of seat discussion to talk about this this week for sure.
• 25:44
  Well, let's just touch on...
• 25:45
  Sorry to derail by the way.
• 25:46
  No, that's okay.
• 25:47
  I'm not going to get mad.
• 25:49
  Let's just go right into the V...
• 25:50
  Are you mad at me?
• 25:55
  Let's just go right into V-Carbs real quick.
• 25:57
  Obviously, we mentioned Danny Rick into points, kind of doing his best Yuki impersonation
• 26:02
  with Yuki finishing 14th this week.
• 26:05
  He had a spin near the close to the end of the race that got him further down or something
• 26:11
  like that.
• 26:12
  Yeah, some kind of issue.
• 26:13
  Yeah, something like that, which...
• 26:15
  He spun on three laps before the end.
• 26:19
  Okay, okay.
• 26:20
  So where was he before the spin?
• 26:22
  No, I don't know.
• 26:24
  Was he in points?
• 26:25
  I wouldn't imagine.
• 26:26
  Yes, he was.
• 26:27
  I actually listed he drops from points after going super wide and spinning.
• 26:30
  What lap is that?
• 26:31
  I see you have...
• 26:32
  Lap 66.
• 26:33
  Ah, dang.
• 26:34
  Okay, so literally right at the...
• 26:35
  He was intent, I think.
• 26:36
  I think there was still one person between him and Rick, Danny.
• 26:40
  He was definitely still in points and then he dropped.
• 26:42
  So he almost kept his consistency going, but...
• 26:45
  So we'll see a little bit of bounce back from Yuki maybe.
• 26:48
  A little closer action next week or this coming weekend.
• 26:51
  I think it's going to be a good battle between Stroll and the two V-Carbs going forward.
• 26:55
  Just in general?
• 26:56
  I do, I do.
• 26:57
  I mean, I like what I've seen out of Danny Rick the last...
• 26:59
  He seems like he's kind of getting back to form.
• 27:01
  Now, let's see if he continues it.
• 27:03
  I think the thing with him is the inconsistencies, but...
• 27:05
  Do you think form is as big of a deal?
• 27:08
  Obviously getting in form and being in form is used a lot in football, but do you think
• 27:14
  it...
• 27:15
  Do you think it matters as well in racing?
• 27:17
  Just pretty much any level of racing I'd imagine.
• 27:21
  I think what matters most is the mental form more so than the physical form.
• 27:26
  Anybody can get into that physical shape.
• 27:27
  These level of drivers don't get out of that physical shape.
• 27:31
  So the mental just actually buying into where he's at and showing that he can actually still
• 27:38
  race and then buying him to himself.
• 27:40
  You know what?
• 27:41
  That's why I'm so bad at the game.
• 27:42
  My mental form is never there.
• 27:45
  Just can't quite get it.
• 27:47
  All right, who wanted to talk about Haas?
• 27:50
  Somebody really wanted to...
• 27:51
  Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 27:52
  Yeah.
• 27:53
  Take it away.
• 27:54
  I have something like...
• 27:55
  It was...
• 27:56
  I liked the strategy.
• 27:57
  You're that team, you're down low.
• 27:58
  I love going on the West to start and just flying through and just racing and just flying
• 28:03
  by everybody.
• 28:04
  I mean, he was taking advantage of his opportunities.
• 28:06
  That was so fun to watch.
• 28:08
  And he also like...
• 28:09
  I mean, if you compare him to Hulkenberg, he looked fast compared to Hulkenberg.
• 28:12
  Just the laps time he was putting out and everything.
• 28:14
  He was putting in work too.
• 28:16
  He got up to P9.
• 28:17
  Just a climb though out of KMAG.
• 28:18
  It was nothing like KMAG.
• 28:20
  So here's my issue though.
• 28:23
  If you're doing that, you're banking on something, right?
• 28:25
  If you're doing that move as a risky move already, if everybody else then enters, why
• 28:31
  bail out so soon to get your tires changed to an enter?
• 28:34
  Why not wait?
• 28:35
  They had to.
• 28:36
  They had to.
• 28:37
  They were...
• 28:38
  If you're in fourth, at least, I think then at least, if you're in fourth right there,
• 28:40
  and you wait...
• 28:41
  At the end of the day, they didn't finish in points.
• 28:46
  The car wasn't keeping up.
• 28:47
  If you're in fourth and you wait and just pray for the safety car and then it comes
• 28:51
  and then you're at sixth or seventh, at least then you're fighting somewhere where it matters.
• 28:56
  Why not taste that?
• 28:57
  You're already taking a chance.
• 28:58
  Why not keep that chance going?
• 28:59
  But to be the opposite of that then, right?
• 29:02
  Let's say they go four more laps.
• 29:05
  KMAG's not holding fourth.
• 29:06
  He's probably dropping to sixth or seventh and then they're forced to pit because there's
• 29:09
  nothing left on the tire.
• 29:11
  They drop to 12th, 13th, 14th when they come out.
• 29:13
  If they would have had a three second stop, not even a quick stop, just a three second
• 29:17
  stop, KMAG comes out in eighth place.
• 29:20
  And then he's on a fresh inner when everybody else is on used inners, he could maybe start
• 29:24
  to climb again.
• 29:25
  But they had a what was it?
• 29:26
  It was like 6.9 or like an eight second stop.
• 29:29
  That two, three seconds that early in the race, nobody's gained that gap between the
• 29:33
  drivers to where that matters.
• 29:36
  I just feel like at that rate you got to commit to it.
• 29:38
  But I see what you're saying.
• 29:39
  There's obviously a strategy involved there.
• 29:41
  If you're going to push it that hard and he succeeded at it, okay, now what?
• 29:45
  It's like it happened and they were successful with it and then they're like, oh damn, that
• 29:49
  actually works.
• 29:50
  So even if he dropped to nine or 10 and they had the safety car come through, he could
• 29:54
  have got tires ended up in that position.
• 29:56
  I don't think they were banking on a safety car.
• 29:58
  I think I think you're putting too much into that, right?
• 30:00
  I think they were.
• 30:01
  Go ahead, Joe.
• 30:02
  Yeah, no, I'm sorry.
• 30:03
  I think I think you're right.
• 30:04
  I don't think they were banking in a safety car.
• 30:06
  I think they were banking on it being wet for much longer and then having the newer
• 30:10
  inters around everyone else having more use.
• 30:13
  So when everyone else has to pit, maybe they're they're pitting for for slicks and then they
• 30:17
  pit at the same time and have that advantage.
• 30:19
  I wrote, I wrote, Mag made up 10 places and then unfortunately when he did go on to inters,
• 30:25
  it was just hot strategy and they they you know, they biffed the pit stop.
• 30:29
  But I definitely see like why not just stay on.
• 30:33
  Yeah, I totally get that.
• 30:34
  I totally get it.
• 30:35
  Especially when you do the move commit.
• 30:36
  Yeah, commits to the move.
• 30:37
  But I think I mean, I think they did commit.
• 30:39
  I think they like strategy wise, it worked exactly like they planned.
• 30:43
  But didn't they they had Hulkenberg stay out like another six, seven laps.
• 30:46
  They did have Hulk stay out a bit longer.
• 30:49
  That's that's correct.
• 30:50
  No, that's interesting.
• 30:51
  But then then it's the two different strategies like Merck, like the Mercedes view, you know,
• 30:56
  maybe two different strategies for him.
• 30:58
  If you want to be aggressive, use it with the guys and forth.
• 31:01
  But I don't know why the car to stay there.
• 31:02
  And it's no no offense to K-Mag.
• 31:04
  They have the best radars.
• 31:05
  I get they thought it was going to stay wet longer.
• 31:07
  Maybe I don't like that.
• 31:08
  I don't like that argument because they had the radars.
• 31:11
  They see everything.
• 31:12
  They had a top tech there.
• 31:15
  If you're and if you're going to use two different strategies, why?
• 31:17
  No offense to K-Mag.
• 31:18
  But why pick K-Mag over Hulkenberg?
• 31:20
  You know what I mean?
• 31:21
  Because of where he called it.
• 31:22
  I started.
• 31:23
  He started.
• 31:24
  I think he started.
• 31:25
  Yeah, he started.
• 31:26
  He started up there.
• 31:27
  K-Mag started 14th.
• 31:28
  P. Nico started 19th.
• 31:30
  So Nico got up to P nine.
• 31:31
  He gained 10 spots just like K-Mag did.
• 31:33
  Just not as pretty.
• 31:36
  So yeah, why did they?
• 31:37
  It reminded me the whole time I was thinking that it's you see like the clip that gets
• 31:41
  run through on Instagram of Kimi in his Lotus years where he started like P 16 and then
• 31:47
  got up to like P four before like the end of the first lap.
• 31:51
  It was that clip just kept running through my mind.
• 31:52
  This came back just going on the complete wet portion of the track and just flying by
• 31:57
  these guys.
• 31:59
  Taking outsides of corners around people.
• 32:01
  I'm just like this guy is insane.
• 32:02
  I hate it.
• 32:03
  All of that with.
• 32:04
  And then it just freaking.
• 32:05
  I know.
• 32:06
  And all of that with all those points on his license.
• 32:08
  He hits one car.
• 32:09
  He seriously raked it.
• 32:10
  He hits one car.
• 32:11
  He's out for a race.
• 32:12
  I forgot about all that.
• 32:14
  Yeah.
• 32:15
  Like the cojones on that guy, man.
• 32:17
  Is he resigned?
• 32:18
  No.
• 32:19
  He's just sending.
• 32:20
  This is last year.
• 32:21
  He's sending it.
• 32:22
  He's told he's not coming back.
• 32:24
  Bearman's taking that seat as soon as he loses that license.
• 32:30
  Oh my God.
• 32:33
  With that, let's roll right into news, Kev.
• 32:43
  Oh, right back at it.
• 32:44
  Didn't even see you there.
• 32:45
  I'm just kidding.
• 32:46
  That's messed up.
• 32:47
  Anyway, let's just head right into news.
• 32:49
  Obviously, FIA adjusts the minimum age for Antonelli.
• 32:54
  Or is it is it confirmed that they have now changed the age or is it going to?
• 32:58
  Yeah, they've confirmed now.
• 33:00
  It's 17.
• 33:02
  So now that's pretty much his spot locked up in the Mercedes next year, you think, or
• 33:08
  what?
• 33:09
  Well, I mean, they didn't need to change it for that.
• 33:10
  This opens up a way for him to get into F1 and two this year.
• 33:14
  Yeah, which we're thinking would be for Sargent, I'd imagine.
• 33:17
  No, just F1 and two.
• 33:19
  So F1 and two, a couple of races throughout the year, like the reserve drivers actually
• 33:22
  just go and race in F1.
• 33:23
  They've been a race, but they get on track.
• 33:25
  They get some time in the car.
• 33:27
  Yeah.
• 33:28
  Do we think he still has could replace Sargent before the end of the year just to get some
• 33:31
  actual grand prix experience?
• 33:33
  I think so.
• 33:34
  Yeah.
• 33:35
  I mean, what do you got to lose right now for Williams?
• 33:36
  Soon.
• 33:37
  Soon.
• 33:38
  It'll happen soon.
• 33:39
  Not much.
• 33:40
  Paying Logan, I assume he is not paid per race.
• 33:42
  It's a like yearly whatever.
• 33:43
  I would only imagine.
• 33:45
  But again, Williams isn't the one foot in the bill.
• 33:48
  I think it'd probably be after the my guess would be after the the summer break.
• 33:54
  After the summer break.
• 33:55
  I would say so, too.
• 33:56
  It gives Kimmy comes in to make the search.
• 33:57
  Yeah.
• 33:58
  I think the next race is the they are allowing or they are doing the reserve drivers because
• 34:02
  I don't they haven't done it at all this year.
• 34:04
  I think it's only like two races a year.
• 34:06
  They tried to do it with Jack Duhan at Alpine, I think in Canada.
• 34:11
  Yeah, they did it for FP1 with him in Canada, but it was raining the whole practice session
• 34:16
  so they didn't put him out.
• 34:17
  So he went out.
• 34:18
  He went out to do a practice start and then they brought him back in.
• 34:20
  So we didn't do any running.
• 34:21
  But so I think they just decide when they do it because last year it was like all of
• 34:25
  them did it at the same time.
• 34:26
  Do all teams is it mandated?
• 34:28
  I think it might be.
• 34:30
  And then they just choose when they do it.
• 34:31
  Or can you only can you only do it so many times to you think?
• 34:34
  Or could you do it every week and they just choose not to?
• 34:36
  Well, I'm confused here.
• 34:38
  You only allowed to let the reserve driver drive in two races.
• 34:41
  No, no, that's what I don't know, because I think last year I think it only happened
• 34:45
  twice.
• 34:46
  Oh, I feel like you should be able to let him every race if you wanted to.
• 34:48
  Yeah, I don't see why there would be anything against that.
• 34:51
  I mean, you're only penalizing yourself by not giving your driver the experience.
• 34:54
  Yeah, unless it's Sergeant.
• 34:56
  But yeah.
• 34:57
  Well, then you're really penalizing yourself.
• 34:58
  It's like if it's like Lewis, I could see passing up.
• 35:02
  But let's be honest, Lewis needs the experience in that car, too.
• 35:06
  Yeah, to practice sessions, the teams must provide younger drivers each year.
• 35:11
  They must provide.
• 35:12
  It was a Google Gemini automated search that could be wrong.
• 35:15
  But that's just the minimum, though.
• 35:18
  So it seems like you could do it every race.
• 35:20
  I think they have to do that.
• 35:21
  They have to allow these younger drivers to get into the car, at least a practice session
• 35:25
  or two.
• 35:26
  So you think they could do it for Alpine then since they tried?
• 35:29
  I would assume so.
• 35:30
  No, there's probably no.
• 35:31
  There probably has to be like, yeah, I would hope so, because that'd be kind of bogus.
• 35:36
  That'd suck for Jack Doohan.
• 35:38
  You watching me?
• 35:40
  That's the other driver.
• 35:41
  I watched you pull right back off the track.
• 35:44
  He's currently my teammate on F124 in my team.
• 35:47
  Doohan, do the Jack Doohan.
• 35:48
  You couldn't afford anybody.
• 35:50
  You don't get much when you start.
• 35:53
  Fair enough.
• 35:55
  Well, while Joe looks at it, let's stay with Mercedes really quick, which I think Joe is
• 35:59
  actually going to bring up as a possible landing spot for Ocon as he's out at Alpine.
• 36:04
  So this is kind of where the conversation went with this individual that I was having
• 36:10
  this heated argument with.
• 36:11
  Call him out.
• 36:12
  Talking about you, Michael.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:16
  Michael.
• 36:17
  OK, Mercedes, right?
• 36:20
  We know Antonelli is slotted for Mercedes at some point.
• 36:24
  What are the possibilities they put in a rookie like on his first year in F1 in a Mercedes,
• 36:29
  right?
• 36:30
  Or I think they should put him in a Williams for a year, get him antiquated to F1 before
• 36:36
  getting him into a Merc.
• 36:38
  So my whole view right now is what are Mercedes options?
• 36:42
  They have a seat they need to fill.
• 36:43
  Carlos probably isn't going to take it.
• 36:45
  At least they don't seem interested in him.
• 36:47
  Kimi definitely feels like who they should go for, but going with a rookie is dangerous,
• 36:53
  especially with a rookie who isn't doing spectacular in his F2 season.
• 36:57
  He's not doing awful, but he's not doing amazing.
• 36:59
  He's not doing good.
• 37:00
  Right?
• 37:01
  So what are their options?
• 37:02
  So that's where Ocon came from.
• 37:04
  Ocon and Toto have gone way back.
• 37:06
  Toto got Ocon his job in Alpine.
• 37:09
  Toto was his manager.
• 37:10
  I remember on DTS.
• 37:11
  Exactly.
• 37:12
  That's why I know that is from DTS.
• 37:14
  He called up Renaud at the time and he was like, hey, get Ocon in there.
• 37:19
  Get him a seat.
• 37:22
  Do they put Ocon just because they know he knows how to drive an F1 seat and they're
• 37:26
  like, you know what, let's get this kid one more year while we get Kimi into a Williams
• 37:30
  for a year, get him antiquated in.
• 37:33
  We know that Ocon is aggressive, but he's not going to crash all the time as Kimi might
• 37:38
  because he's new to the sport.
• 37:40
  Or is Kimi Antonelli going to be like a piastri, right?
• 37:43
  Where he comes in and he just kind of knocks out of the park almost immediately.
• 37:47
  I think if you're talking about Ocon and going into that seat, if George Russell has any
• 37:51
  say, and at this rate, I think he should, I don't think you want, if you're, if you're,
• 37:55
  I don't think if you're Russell, you want to race with him.
• 37:57
  Right.
• 37:58
  You'd rather have a young gun one because you want to be the stud on the team and two
• 38:02
  because like that just builds your stock as a race driver.
• 38:05
  If you, if you have the Kimi next to you and you're helping him progress, I think that
• 38:08
  helps him.
• 38:09
  I think Ocon.
• 38:10
  He's good for George.
• 38:11
  Kimi is good for George.
• 38:13
  I think if George has a say, he wants Kimi.
• 38:14
  I think if George has Ocon, it's bad for George.
• 38:18
  If you've looked at Ocon's record and you're George, you're like, I don't want to race
• 38:21
  with this guy.
• 38:22
  I don't want to race next to him.
• 38:24
  If we're qualifying next to each other, it's a nightmare for me.
• 38:26
  Right.
• 38:27
  Those are two really interesting views actually.
• 38:29
  Cause I could see both.
• 38:31
  I could see both.
• 38:32
  I could see Ocon taking the seat for a year with the plan that you're going to put Antonelli
• 38:36
  in there in year two from now.
• 38:39
  Then then maybe that slots Ocon right into Williams or Ocon's gone out of F1 at that
• 38:43
  point.
• 38:44
  But if he does well, and maybe then Antonelli, maybe Antonelli just like isn't good.
• 38:48
  Right.
• 38:49
  He just comes to F1 and he just can't, he can't do it.
• 38:50
  Now they put him in, they put him into last year's Merc and he, he, now they're reporting
• 38:54
  that he did good laps in last year's Merc.
• 38:57
  So at what track?
• 38:58
  So did, so did Danny.
• 38:59
  Probably Silverstone, I would imagine.
• 39:00
  I'm not a hundred percent sure.
• 39:01
  So did Danny Rick in the RV-19.
• 39:02
  Exactly.
• 39:03
  Yeah.
• 39:04
  Exactly.
• 39:05
  So what does that really say?
• 39:06
  So how much are you basing it off that?
• 39:07
  Can they get him on the sim?
• 39:08
  They can, right?
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  Oh yeah.
• 39:11
  I would imagine.
• 39:12
  I mean, that's probably where they're pulling all their information off.
• 39:13
  Right.
• 39:14
  Yeah.
• 39:15
  I feel like that's more a publicity and for show to put him in the last year's car.
• 39:20
  I feel like they're pulling all their real information off the sim for Kimi.
• 39:24
  Do you think, do you think Mercedes waits that long to see if A, then they make the
• 39:31
  change with Sergeant, right?
• 39:33
  And now Sergeant is racing for, or I'm sorry, Kimi's in for Sergeant at Williams.
• 39:38
  And then based on that, do they then decide what they want to do with that second seat?
• 39:41
  Or is that too late for Mercedes at this point?
• 39:44
  I think.
• 39:45
  I think that's what the months down the road from now we're talking about probably.
• 39:47
  I think the big, the biggest reason you put Kimi in that spot next year is so nobody else
• 39:53
  can the following year.
• 39:54
  If he's in a Williams, if you're Mercedes, why you put him in that seat next year?
• 39:58
  If he's in a Williams next year, who's to say Kimi's a shoot just wants to go to Mercedes
• 40:02
  if Mercedes drops the ball and their development's not there for 2026?
• 40:05
  Pulls a pastry.
• 40:06
  You're a lot more likely to stay with the team you're already on than, and you're, when
• 40:10
  you're a contender, right?
• 40:12
  If you're on a Williams, obviously you're going to go to whoever would offer you better.
• 40:15
  That's of the top five.
• 40:17
  But I mean, that's why I think that Mercedes is afraid of losing him because a similar
• 40:21
  thing happened with Verstappen.
• 40:23
  They don't want to lose the young gun who's the prodigy of F1 for the next 10 years.
• 40:31
  You don't want to lose that potential.
• 40:32
  So you think Kimi's in the Mercedes next year?
• 40:34
  I do.
• 40:35
  Cause then the other kicker here with that here as well, right?
• 40:38
  Let's say Kimi just epically drops the ball next year.
• 40:41
  So you go find whoever's in 2026 with the new regs, you go with the driver market.
• 40:46
  That's going to be pretty open at the time as well.
• 40:48
  And you find that other driver.
• 40:49
  You got George locked down.
• 40:51
  So it's George ain't going anywhere.
• 40:52
  Yeah.
• 40:53
  No, George's not going anywhere.
• 40:54
  So see what you got in Kimi.
• 40:55
  I think there's, it only makes sense to put him into Mercedes next year, to put him into
• 40:59
  Williams, see what you got.
• 41:00
  I understand that point, see if he can perform at the F1 level, but that would be, I would,
• 41:05
  I would understand that if there was a good person to put in the Mercedes seat.
• 41:08
  There isn't.
• 41:09
  Carlos is not going there.
• 41:10
  If they can get science.
• 41:11
  He's on long term.
• 41:12
  Carlos isn't the long term plan for them obviously.
• 41:14
  Exactly.
• 41:15
  And why would he be?
• 41:16
  Right.
• 41:17
  Right.
• 41:18
  So like if you're Carlos, like why would you go and sign that with that team that you're,
• 41:20
  you're all, you know, you're only going to have a spot like definitively for one year.
• 41:24
  Now there's a chance Kimi goes into Williams, messes up and Carlos gets a long-term deal
• 41:27
  with Mercedes.
• 41:29
  But if Carlos were to go to Williams this year, sign a one year deal, Kimi messes up
• 41:33
  at Mercedes.
• 41:34
  I'm going to hate that.
• 41:35
  Now he might have a longer spot at Mercedes than if Kimi messes up.
• 41:39
  Him going to Williams is like a botus going to Sauber.
• 41:42
  But I think that's probably the most likely case.
• 41:44
  I mean, what, I don't know if it's their, their team boss or whatever came out and said
• 41:48
  the number one target now is Carlos for Williams.
• 41:50
  And I mean for Carlos, it's just.
• 41:53
  That's for every team I think right now.
• 41:54
  Of course, of course.
• 41:57
  But if you're Carlos, if you can't be in those arguably top four teams, right?
• 42:01
  Red Bull, Mercedes, McLaren, Ferrari, like then what?
• 42:05
  Then what?
• 42:06
  Then you take whatever you can get because you already have, what is it already like
• 42:09
  a line, a deal already lined up or he didn't.
• 42:11
  It was on the table and he decided not to sign it.
• 42:14
  With Williams?
• 42:15
  For Audi Sauber coming up.
• 42:16
  I don't know.
• 42:17
  I haven't heard anything because there was like the, you had to make the decision by
• 42:19
  what race was it?
• 42:20
  Right.
• 42:21
  But then we heard Monaco, wasn't it?
• 42:22
  No, it wasn't Monaco.
• 42:23
  It was before Monaco.
• 42:24
  What was the race before Monaco?
• 42:26
  Imola.
• 42:27
  It was, they wanted a race and the answer by Imola.
• 42:29
  I haven't heard it.
• 42:30
  Yeah.
• 42:31
  I haven't heard anything since then.
• 42:32
  Like whether Audi.
• 42:33
  For one way or the other.
• 42:34
  Whether Audi pulled the contract.
• 42:35
  Obviously Carlos didn't accept.
• 42:37
  Right.
• 42:38
  So that leads us into Carlos then, you know, obviously like what, what are his options
• 42:43
  now?
• 42:44
  We talked about Ocon's options.
• 42:45
  What is Carlos realistic options?
• 42:46
  I feel like he's got to have the playing field right now.
• 42:49
  I still feel like obviously like, uh, even if Audi we said, you know, they have this
• 42:55
  amount of time until he's done and then like Mercedes maybe just done with him.
• 43:00
  I think he's still, if he really wants to go anywhere, I think he can go anywhere.
• 43:03
  He might not get the same price he wanted to originally at the beginning of the season,
• 43:06
  but I still think he can go where he wants to go.
• 43:08
  But maybe he's viewing it as like maybe sign a one year deal and then hopefully hit new
• 43:13
  regs and you know, maybe he can be a player somewhere else.
• 43:16
  But that's, I mean, what do you do?
• 43:18
  What if you do if you're college for that one year deal?
• 43:20
  Do you try to get a championship or you just get the bag?
• 43:23
  Well, no, he's not going to be able to, he's not going to be able to sign with anybody.
• 43:27
  There's one team that has the potential to do that and that's Mercedes and you're only
• 43:30
  getting a one year deal.
• 43:31
  All right.
• 43:32
  Is it a shoe in for a championship?
• 43:34
  No, but you have a hell of a lot better chance at it.
• 43:36
  Any other team that has an open.
• 43:37
  But back on that, then, is it even worth it for Mercedes to sign Carlos for a discount?
• 43:41
  Right.
• 43:42
  They'll do it.
• 43:43
  One year.
• 43:44
  They've already come out and said they'll do it to risk losing Antonelli then potentially.
• 43:47
  Is that worth it to Mercedes?
• 43:48
  Well, I think so.
• 43:49
  If they can get Carlos, I think Carlos is Carlos would compete in the Mercedes because
• 43:54
  Carlos.
• 43:55
  So you put Carlos in the car next year.
• 43:56
  You have Carlos and George.
• 43:57
  That puts them in the best financial situation to go into 2026 because they are going to
• 44:02
  finish better in the constructor sand is then you would assume Kimmy and George would.
• 44:06
  Who knows?
• 44:07
  Kimmy comes in and could win 15 races next year.
• 44:09
  Yeah, I think, you know, is it going to happen?
• 44:12
  No.
• 44:13
  Yeah, especially in Mercedes.
• 44:14
  But for a team perspective, I definitely think that's the safest option for Mercedes to do
• 44:19
  because like you get in for one year, he doesn't cut it, get Antonelli in.
• 44:23
  But if he does cut it, maybe just keep Antonelli at Williams and keep, you know, the veteran
• 44:27
  of science.
• 44:28
  Then you're losing Antonelli.
• 44:29
  There's no way Kimmy, like with the Kimmy's talent that he has right now and the potential,
• 44:35
  he's not in a contender.
• 44:36
  I mean, sign, make him sign a contract that says you're with Williams for one year plus
• 44:41
  one year option.
• 44:42
  You get moved to Mercedes, maybe.
• 44:44
  Right.
• 44:45
  Why would he do that?
• 44:46
  And that's saying Antonelli got the Mercedes seat for next year or something.
• 44:49
  No, no, no Williams.
• 44:50
  No.
• 44:51
  Oh, if Antonelli.
• 44:52
  And if science got, science got Mercedes, no, science got Mercedes and then Antonelli
• 44:56
  got Williams.
• 44:57
  I really, really hope that science doesn't go to Williams because I feel like that's
• 45:01
  just that's just going to wear you out.
• 45:03
  I feel like the key ends the career.
• 45:05
  What better option is there?
• 45:08
  What better option is there outside of obviously Mercedes?
• 45:10
  Steak isn't good either, but long term that gets turned into Audi and that's like, that's
• 45:15
  like a perfect scenario.
• 45:16
  Who knows?
• 45:17
  For Carlos.
• 45:18
  Potentially.
• 45:19
  The Audi might be super bad, but like you have Carlos, his dad races Audis, right?
• 45:26
  And it just, it just makes sense.
• 45:28
  I've built this like fantasy story in my head that I've been sticking to since I've learned
• 45:32
  that Carlos doesn't have the Ferrari seat.
• 45:34
  He just, I think he needs to go to stake for that Audi seat.
• 45:37
  But yeah, hearing that Williams has been, I mean, they've been all over social media,
• 45:41
  I feel like talking about him.
• 45:43
  It's a little scary.
• 45:44
  I want him.
• 45:45
  I'm not going to lie.
• 45:46
  And I mean, I think you look at Williams with an Albans science pairing for at least a year.
• 45:50
  I mean, more than likely Carlos is going to sign a multi-year deal.
• 45:53
  Whether he sticks to it or not is beside the point, but that's a damn good pairing for
• 45:58
  a mid-level team.
• 45:59
  That's the most, this is the best outlook Williams has had for a minute.
• 46:03
  You're fighting for five, six at that point with those two.
• 46:04
  A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
• 46:06
  Especially Albin looks like he's gotten some pace these last couple of races.
• 46:09
  Albin's been picking it up.
• 46:10
  I mean, you get him, you get him a car underneath him.
• 46:12
  He's a dog.
• 46:13
  Yeah.
• 46:14
  No.
• 46:15
  Yeah.
• 46:16
  I really wish he would have got that Red Bull seat.
• 46:17
  Yeah.
• 46:18
  Yeah.
• 46:19
  I can't tell you how upsetting that Red Bull did that.
• 46:20
  And I hope it's to their demise.
• 46:21
  Oh yeah, let's talk about that.
• 46:22
  Yeah, go for it.
• 46:23
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  Lead right into it.
• 46:25
  Can't go obviously sign the deal.
• 46:26
  I hope it's to their demise.
• 46:27
  I think we're going to see by the end of the year, I don't think he makes it to two years.
• 46:31
  Yeah.
• 46:32
  Okay.
• 46:33
  I think after next year, maybe even mid season, they're pulling that guy.
• 46:36
  It's the team option.
• 46:37
  The team can decide to sign him for another year.
• 46:40
  I don't know how it was in F1.
• 46:41
  I thought it was a two year deal with a third year team option.
• 46:43
  Oh, I thought it was a two year with the second year being the option.
• 46:46
  I can double check.
• 46:47
  I don't.
• 46:48
  Yeah, double check.
• 46:49
  Yeah, look that up.
• 46:50
  I used to like NFL contracts and player options.
• 46:51
  Is that even a thing in F1?
• 46:53
  Is there a driver option or is it only team options that can extend you for that extra
• 46:57
  year?
• 46:58
  They can't get rid of him after one year either way.
• 46:59
  Well, I mean, if you sign them to your contract, you get rid of it the first year.
• 47:02
  You still got to pay him for that second year.
• 47:03
  Yeah, I think they take that risk.
• 47:05
  Depends on how much.
• 47:06
  I'm saying no matter what, no matter what the contract is, I don't think that he is
• 47:12
  there for two years.
• 47:13
  Yeah.
• 47:14
  No matter what the outcome is, no matter what the actual layout of the contract is, I don't
• 47:19
  think he's there for two years.
• 47:20
  I think it's dumb for them to do that.
• 47:22
  And it almost because of social media.
• 47:24
  And again, it's social media, so we don't really know the full story.
• 47:27
  But because he seemed to be the one that was asking for the two year deal, then they said,
• 47:32
  yeah, let's do it kind of.
• 47:33
  That's what it looks like on the outside looking in because it looked like on the outside looking
• 47:36
  in, they wanted to offer him a one year deal.
• 47:38
  And he was like, no, he wasn't about that.
• 47:40
  And he wants to.
• 47:41
  Yeah.
• 47:42
  And he finally got that.
• 47:43
  Oops.
• 47:44
  Oops.
• 47:45
  Right.
• 47:46
  It looks like there's no team or driver option.
• 47:49
  It's a two year deal.
• 47:50
  So it looks like Checo, though.
• 47:51
  It looks like Checo got the upper hand on that deal, and that makes Red Bull look dumb.
• 47:55
  But you're saying that you don't think even though it's a two year deal, you don't think
• 47:59
  even makes it those two years.
• 48:01
  Just that Red Bull take it, take a bite.
• 48:03
  But who would you put in there to pay?
• 48:07
  Hey, you got to also pay certain.
• 48:09
  Oh, wait, hold on.
• 48:11
  Whoever that's not that's not Checo.
• 48:14
  That's a big oof by them.
• 48:15
  They just lost themselves potential winning a couple more constructors by not putting
• 48:20
  a better driver in that seat.
• 48:21
  If you want to compete with Hamilton and Leclerc, if that car keeps getting better or McLaren
• 48:26
  or McLaren, when those drivers keep getting better, you can not have Checo in that second
• 48:30
  seat.
• 48:31
  It'll not pan out the next couple of years.
• 48:32
  Good.
• 48:33
  So heading into next season while these two keep going on the keyboards, you're thinking
• 48:37
  that Max and Checo, you know, you got Leclerc, Lewis and then obviously the two McLaren
• 48:43
  fellows going into next season.
• 48:46
  Do you have Red Bull winning the constructors next season?
• 48:49
  No, no, they're going to have a tough time winning it this year.
• 48:52
  No, for sure.
• 48:53
  We're already seeing that for sure.
• 48:54
  With Checo, they're going to have a tough time winning it.
• 48:55
  And I think that it's going to be one of those moves by the end of the year.
• 48:58
  This year, everybody's going to be like Red Bull.
• 49:00
  What were you thinking?
• 49:01
  And now that brings up the question of Max that we won't even touch on today because
• 49:05
  it'll be way too long of a conversation.
• 49:07
  But now you bring up the Max situation.
• 49:09
  Does Max end up departing?
• 49:11
  So for clarification on Checo's contract, it was a one plus one.
• 49:15
  So we don't know what that means because the team is not going to release that information.
• 49:18
  But it's a one year deal for sure.
• 49:20
  It's a one plus one is how Horner said it.
• 49:23
  That's open for interpretation.
• 49:24
  Horner literally said it.
• 49:25
  Horner came out and said it.
• 49:27
  So there's clauses within that.
• 49:30
  So he's here for one year.
• 49:31
  Hey, he also said 2026, new driver, right?
• 49:35
  Within that same like, they also mentioned Yuki's contract extension and Horner came
• 49:42
  out and said afterwards that they're all Red Bull drivers.
• 49:46
  Oh, that's interesting.
• 49:48
  The play on words there, I think is like some swap next season.
• 49:52
  So yeah, do you think he, I mean, so I think I feel like Checo is probably racing most
• 49:58
  of next year no matter what.
• 49:59
  But when 2026 comes around, yeah, maybe they swap him over to Alvatar for Yuki or something
• 50:03
  like that.
• 50:04
  That'd be crazy.
• 50:05
  That would be, I mean, at the moment, Danny Rick's still there too.
• 50:07
  I think Danny's there next year.
• 50:08
  I think Danny's got his pretty much all but confirmed.
• 50:11
  Which sucks because I want to see Liam in the car.
• 50:13
  But I also like Danny too.
• 50:15
  It's just, I don't know.
• 50:16
  The toughest thing for me about F1 is the amount of just same faces you see.
• 50:21
  And I love Danny Rick, but like it's tough to see the same faces every year.
• 50:26
  Like you get maybe two new faces every year, but the rest of them you don't.
• 50:30
  Maybe if you're lucky.
• 50:31
  Yeah.
• 50:32
  And you know the rest of them, so it's kind of tough.
• 50:33
  And I get like they bounce teams and stuff, but.
• 50:35
  Maybe two new colors with like people switching teams, but two new faces.
• 50:38
  Like that's just a huge rarity.
• 50:40
  Yeah.
• 50:41
  And it'll be interesting next year because if you look at like the new faces that would
• 50:44
  come in next year, who would they be?
• 50:45
  There's really only two candidates and it's Kimmy and Oli Behrman.
• 50:50
  And Liam.
• 50:51
  And Liam and Jack Dewan.
• 50:52
  I mean, reserve drivers.
• 50:53
  Jack Dewan, yeah.
• 50:54
  They're not new faces, but you know.
• 50:55
  No, no, no.
• 50:56
  That's what I'm meaning though.
• 50:57
  That's what I'm meaning.
• 50:58
  Different, different drivers on the grid.
• 51:00
  I didn't think of Alpine because Alpine I think it only makes sense if it was Dewan
• 51:03
  and Gaston next year.
• 51:04
  I don't think Liam has a seat next year.
• 51:06
  I think that's all we're going to do.
• 51:07
  Yeah, I think so too.
• 51:08
  Behrman deserves one obviously with Haas.
• 51:10
  Behrman sure should get one.
• 51:11
  Behrman's going to get it.
• 51:12
  But Behrman's not doing good enough too right now.
• 51:14
  Yeah, but I think he's kind of like, you know, he's proved himself a little bit.
• 51:19
  I think I think he's probably fine.
• 51:20
  I mean, he did get points in his first F1 race.
• 51:23
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:24
  It was in a Ferrari, but I mean, he's never driven an F1 car before.
• 51:28
  So or at least at that level.
• 51:30
  So obviously we've already mentioned Yuki staying at V-Car then too.
• 51:34
  It was like, yeah, it was wasn't it like a three?
• 51:37
  I did not put down what it was.
• 51:40
  Oh, no, it's one year.
• 51:41
  So Yuki's only there guaranteed for 2025.
• 51:43
  So yeah, he's still.
• 51:45
  And then you got the plus one on synergy.
• 51:47
  And Danny Rick probably get the same deal one year.
• 51:49
  I think so.
• 51:50
  They're not going to get him too.
• 51:52
  I feel like last time we were talking, I think we were all saying a different tune that Danny's
• 51:56
  probably gone.
• 51:57
  Right.
• 51:58
  So maybe rest of the season, maybe this was just like a good race for him and he just
• 52:00
  kind of starts messing up again.
• 52:02
  We're back on our old tune of like, he's not keeping him.
• 52:04
  When was the last time they had a team switch drivers?
• 52:07
  Was that when Red Bull pulled Gastly out and put in Albon or whatever?
• 52:12
  Or did they pull Albon and put Gastly?
• 52:13
  I can't remember.
• 52:14
  They both moved up that year.
• 52:15
  They pulled them both.
• 52:16
  They pulled one season and one literally the next season.
• 52:18
  Who was the driver that got kicked though?
• 52:20
  Who was the driver that lost their seat?
• 52:22
  Was it Red Bull driver that?
• 52:24
  Well, Gastly was with Ricardo first, right?
• 52:26
  And then he got pulled for Albon?
• 52:27
  But did Albon start the year as a Red Bull driver?
• 52:28
  No, I don't think Albon started the year as a Red Bull driver.
• 52:31
  I know I just hope he can't.
• 52:32
  Gastly got moved up to Red Bull after Danny left.
• 52:36
  Mid-season, Gastly got kicked for Albon.
• 52:38
  That's right.
• 52:39
  Albon started the year.
• 52:40
  Albon stayed for a year and a half and then got kicked for Checo and Albon was out a seat
• 52:44
  for that year and then he moved to Williams the next year after that.
• 52:47
  So Gastly went back down to Alfatari and stayed there.
• 52:51
  He didn't lose a seat at all.
• 52:52
  But Albon did not lose a seat mid-season.
• 52:54
  He gained the seat and then lost it after the second season he was in.
• 52:57
  Got it.
• 52:58
  Okay.
• 52:59
  Oh, so Albon didn't lose it during the year.
• 53:00
  No.
• 53:01
  Is that a possibility for next season then?
• 53:03
  I know.
• 53:04
  I know.
• 53:05
  And then we'll move on because we don't want to stay on there.
• 53:06
  I 100% think so.
• 53:07
  That's why I think that.
• 53:08
  Checo for Yuki?
• 53:09
  I mean, I think it's a subliminal horn or saying that they're all Red Bull drivers.
• 53:12
  I mean, in that tune he's also including that.
• 53:14
  Does that keep Ricardo in that conversation?
• 53:16
  Ricardo wasn't brought up in that conversation.
• 53:18
  So in that tune you would think the RBs, whoever those two are, are Red Bull drivers.
• 53:22
  It's not just Yuki of those.
• 53:25
  But it's interesting.
• 53:26
  I agree with you though, Cole.
• 53:27
  I don't think Checo finishes the year next year as a Red Bull driver.
• 53:30
  By the end of the year, we're all going to be, the last podcast, we're all going to be
• 53:34
  laughing that they even made that deal.
• 53:35
  I'm already laughing.
• 53:36
  I'm already laughing.
• 53:37
  Yeah.
• 53:38
  I'm already laughing.
• 53:39
  I'm already laughing.
• 53:40
  I'm already laughing.
• 53:41
  It's good to see it.
• 53:42
  It's a bad deal.
• 53:43
  It's a bad deal.
• 53:44
  It gets harder though, dude.
• 53:45
  I was 50-50.
• 53:46
  I figured we'd see at least another one.
• 53:47
  Because who else are they going to put in other than Carlos?
• 53:48
  Science.
• 53:49
  Science, science, science.
• 53:50
  What are we talking about?
• 53:51
  Science every day of the week.
• 53:52
  Other than Carlos, who would it have been, right?
• 53:53
  Nobody.
• 53:54
  So if they know they can't afford Carlos or don't want to afford Carlos, then you sign
• 53:59
  Sergio, like they did.
• 54:00
  I would've given Alban another spot up there.
• 54:03
  Yeah.
• 54:04
  Science.
• 54:05
  I would've given Bottas a spot before Checo.
• 54:07
  I wouldn't done that give you here Danny chance you can Danny are finishing
• 54:11
  Yuki and Danny are giving our finishing higher than check out when check goes in the better car like it it just yeah
• 54:17
  It doesn't I don't know. It's such a bad
• 54:20
  We also got a we also got to look at this from a larger lens though and look at the whole year
• 54:24
  Yeah, cuz where's checko in comparison to Danny and Yuki in the overall grand scheme of things driver, okay?
• 54:30
  fifth
• 54:31
  Cars this this point was brought up
• 54:33
  Yeah, this point was brought up to me by someone else that I was talking to about this last race and also talking about
• 54:38
  The contract with do you think Red Bull even like do you think they're even really like trying super hard to get that constructors?
• 54:45
  Are they just focusing solely on max getting driver? I?
• 54:48
  Think they're gonna hand in hand
• 54:51
  Want both money brother with getting with getting yeah with getting and that's kind of the point
• 54:56
  I brought up as well
• 54:57
  But with giving check out that that one year one plus one year like they're not focusing on a team effort
• 55:05
  If they signed him like that right well, but like last year the last year they even said with checko
• 55:12
  They were like he's gonna have to step up his performance if they want to see him in a car next year
• 55:15
  They said that about checko last season because of the fact entirely around the constructors. I think it's the same thing this year
• 55:21
  Mm-hmm. I think they're honestly probably banking on max a little too much this year
• 55:26
  I think it's gonna not for them well, and it's gonna be a big change next year, but I I think
• 55:32
  I just blanked on his name the president
• 55:36
  Horner Horner I think Horner wants both
• 55:40
  He wants the constructors and the drivers. Oh sure sure he does for sure he does
• 55:46
  Speaking of leaving Red Bull and all that new we obviously we know is out is now
• 55:51
  Very strongly rumored to be going to Ferrari on a three-year deal three-year 105 million oops
• 55:59
  That guy's change uh-huh so tell me this like with with Red Bull not having to pay this dude. How can't they afford science?
• 56:07
  That's a good point. Do you think that's why they didn't want to pay science though
• 56:10
  No, I don't think I don't think the Red Bull was even coming close to paying him this much money
• 56:15
  I think newie no no newie. I don't think I don't think Red Bull was paying him anything remotely close to 34 million dollars
• 56:21
  Sorry, sorry. I was thinking
• 56:24
  Yeah, I think for all he's going all in on like obviously Charles is their boy, but like
• 56:28
  Lewis is sniffing Mick. I think what I think he
• 56:32
  True we could see Lewis coming back
• 56:35
  Ferrari afford Lewis and new way yeah
• 56:38
  It's for our know they have cost caps right they don't have cost caps for personnel they have cost cap for like driver improvements
• 56:46
  Don't they have cost caps for drivers too. I don't think that
• 56:51
  Personnel but maybe not drivers. I'm pretty sure they have it for personnel
• 56:54
  I think I don't I don't think that factors into it because you got it because remember when Aston stole
• 56:58
  75% of Red Bull or Mercedes whatever was team like that couldn't have come cheap
• 57:02
  Yeah, yeah
• 57:03
  So it's like on I think the cost cap is like solely to do with upgrading the car and like which limitations you can place on
• 57:09
  the car itself and
• 57:11
  It also I just feel like that wouldn't make sense if they did that anyway because if you're the top guy like newie let him rip
• 57:17
  Yeah, and I mean I think what Ferrari is doing if this is true is they are banking on the new regs with having newie under belt
• 57:23
  Oh for sure. Oh, yeah, does include team personnel excluding the drivers so excluding drivers are okay team personnel
• 57:29
  So that's still 105 million for one of their junk. Maybe he isn't included this this has most team personnel salary
• 57:36
  So maybe he isn't there's probably a loophole they can get away with it. Oh, he's working on her hyper car
• 57:45
  You can give my title you could uh, they can do some stuff like NFL does I could change up the salary make it
• 57:51
  You know benefit them. I feel like there's so many ways there's so many ways you could like just fluctuate it
• 57:55
  So I keep finding more and more the cost cap does not include the wages of the three highest paid staff members
• 58:07
  Because we have the money and it won't matter yeah, that's that's interesting how there's like that in there
• 58:12
  I could literally have the three most expensive personnel members in the world and it doesn't count against
• 58:17
  Build your team. I mean like it don't depend and that's kind of where you know being is part of being a better
• 58:23
  Yeah, that's what's we're being a bigger company or a bigger brand. That's where you're yeah, that's where winning races
• 58:29
  Yeah, Ferrari doesn't have a cost like a cap require a cap limitation
• 58:35
  I mean Mercedes shouldn't I mean Mercedes doesn't need yeah, I mean no Red Bull does cuz it's like Red Bull doesn't have I mean
• 58:41
  It's obviously Red Bull. They're huge in the action sports on top of energy. Yeah, it's by the energy drink
• 58:46
  I'm gonna go back to check. Oh just for really really really really really really quick another
• 58:52
  Theory I heard of why check out got the gear extension is because of the Red Bull sales in Mexico if they drop him
• 58:59
  Think of like that just dipping it wasn't it wasn't only that that was a huge play in it
• 59:03
  But it was like the sponsorships they would lose. Yeah
• 59:10
  He's crazy marketable down
• 59:12
  The sponsors and he like that mean that the drivers a lot of the reason why they get their spot is the sponsorships
• 59:17
  They bring it's not about talent. Well, it is about talent to a certain obviously not for check
• 59:20
  But it's like but with the money that you bring to the team for in sponsorships alone
• 59:25
  That's how a lot of these guys get their like start good
• 59:31
  Yeah, that's how much I'm gonna get in Latifi same thing but so real quick I heard that um, who is the old?
• 59:37
  a Ferrari president before
• 59:39
  Mario Mario Mario Benado
• 59:47
  Buddies with Gunther yeah
• 59:50
  I heard that he's going to Aston Martin. I
• 59:54
  Think I heard something so much
• 59:56
  A few weeks now that's a president but but to workable. They're not presidents principal, whatever
• 1:00:04
  Your world homie
• 1:00:06
  But I heard a rumor of that actually a few weeks ago
• 1:00:10
  He's going to ask and not not so that's all not for the principal. But there's another high up
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, it was a big position. Yeah, probably one of those three. You don't have to
• 1:00:23
  You got anything to add real quick, I'm not finding anything on him. I thought I saw the same thing
• 1:00:30
  Maybe it didn't pan out or locked it in this fact
• 1:00:32
  Probably his dark lab Kev. Let's head to the Spain preview
• 1:00:48
  And
• 1:00:49
  Obviously right off the bat with their Spain preview Joe's kind of got our rundown of last year's Spanish Grand Prix Joe
• 1:00:56
  Take it away. Yes talking about
• 1:00:58
  The circuit day Barcelona Catalunya last this year's is called Formula One Aramico Gran Premio de España 2024
• 1:01:06
  This is thank you. Thank you. Like I said, I'm gonna try I'm gonna try naming them out every single race
• 1:01:12
  This is just a personal note. This is probably one of my best tracks in the in the actual game
• 1:01:15
  I feel like I crush crush this track
• 1:01:19
  A quick a quick fun fact to makes it to quarter four. Yeah. Yeah, and then I spin
• 1:01:24
  This is Fernando Alonso's most recent f1 win came at this circuit in 2013
• 1:01:31
  Another quick fact the circuit isn't amazing for overtakes
• 1:01:34
  But we did see a little bit of action last year that I'll jump into the start was max Carlos and Lando
• 1:01:40
  We saw the start of the race Carlos fighting max through the first few turns
• 1:01:44
  He got beaten by the Dutchman meanwhile behind them a bit of contact between Lewis and Lando season McLaren fall back slightly due to front wing
• 1:01:51
  Damage Lando has to pit early for a new wing ruining his chances of the his best finish so far in 2023
• 1:01:57
  This is still when the car was not looking amazing. It was right at the turning point. I would say
• 1:02:03
  For eight laps
• 1:02:04
  We saw stroll running third ahead of Hamilton before he made a move that gave him the overtake in the first corner
• 1:02:09
  On lap 28 after the first round of pits. We saw him go for the overtake on signs for second and
• 1:02:15
  Lewis makes that stick seven laps later
• 1:02:17
  Russell makes the overtake on signs to collect the final podium position with 30 laps to go in the race
• 1:02:23
  Alonso show shows seniority to his old teammate Ocon going for the overtake on lap 52 and fighting through Ocon super late wide defensive move
• 1:02:30
  Slotting him into seventh behind his teammate
• 1:02:33
  Perez who qualified 11th for Red Bull actually had a very strong race finding his way through the field and overtaking signs for fourth in
• 1:02:40
  lap 53 13 laps before the end of the race
• 1:02:42
  That move solidifies our final grid position Max finishing first a whopping 24 seconds ahead of the two Mercedes
• 1:02:49
  Who fill out the rest of the podium with Perez for four seconds and Ferrari another 10 seconds behind
• 1:02:54
  So our final was for Stappen to Hamilton to Russell to Perez to signs to stroll to Alonso to Ocon to Joe and then to
• 1:03:02
  Ghazli
• 1:03:03
  Sonoda was in the points, but he got a penalty for forcing Joe off the track
• 1:03:07
  Both McLaren's finished out of the podium
• 1:03:09
  Peastry 13th and North 17th Ferrari's only hope was signs today
• 1:03:13
  But he was unable to keep his position and he finishes fifth Leclerc finishing 12th
• 1:03:17
  This is a really good day for Mercedes both got into the podium Russell climbing nine positions to get his placement during the race
• 1:03:24
  So I think a couple things to note
• 1:03:27
  Checo good on this track. I think Red Bull in general were good on this track last year
• 1:03:33
  McLaren
• 1:03:34
  Lando
• 1:03:36
  Qualified really well, but he got a bad damage. So I wouldn't put his final position
• 1:03:40
  I wouldn't say that that's really means anything this year and then Mercedes also very good on this track
• 1:03:45
  So I don't have them in my predictions, but we might see another good race for Mercedes this weekend
• 1:03:52
  Yeah, no, that's what I'm thinking for sure. I mean
• 1:03:56
  Do you see I don't know that's really pushing it
• 1:04:00
  I don't know but with how well Mercedes ran last year
• 1:04:03
  It's such a different beast about that final chicane on the right before the last turn
• 1:04:07
  Yeah, then all the drivers love it too. Yeah, it makes it makes overtaking so much nicer
• 1:04:11
  Especially coming into that. Mm-hmm. This is a bottleneck right there that obviously McLaren is gonna have a way better day than they did
• 1:04:18
  Oh, yeah last season. I would imagine I think we see Ferrari bounce back for sure
• 1:04:22
  I think Mercedes gonna have another good race
• 1:04:24
  Last year they had two good races this time of year. They had a good race last year
• 1:04:29
  I think these tracks just line up for that that car if Lewis has an actual good drive by his definition
• 1:04:35
  I don't know. I don't want to like get crazy here and say Lewis is on the podium
• 1:04:40
  But let's let's say it again. I mean Lewis mid to end of the season every year will show out
• 1:04:48
  So he does this is when I mean looking I'm just looking at the Wikipedia of last year's kind of results here
• 1:04:52
  And this is when Lewis kind of made that turn in the season
• 1:04:54
  Mmm, no granted last year. Oh last year the ones I'll say it again
• 1:04:59
  I'm gonna take a risk on my podium when we get there, but same I'm gonna take a risk. But
• 1:05:05
  Do we see a guy like like Danny Rick not that we got to keep beating
• 1:05:10
  Beating a dead horse on Danny Rick's name. I mean, we always talk about him
• 1:05:13
  But do we see a guy like Danny Rick or the Alpines?
• 1:05:16
  Do they have an opportunity even get it in the season?
• 1:05:18
  I mean, I think they're gonna be a little bit more aggressive than they were last year
• 1:05:22
  It means do they have an opportunity even get into points this week or because those Ferraris we're assuming will be in that top 10
• 1:05:29
  Does that push a couple of these guys out stroll might be in that conversation?
• 1:05:33
  Do we see Hulkenberg have a better day? You know what? I mean who's who's gonna be that eight nine ten area?
• 1:05:39
  Difference I mean, yeah, and maybe I think Albon's gonna have a good race this week. You missed the bee first time threw me off
• 1:05:46
  Alon
• 1:05:51
  But I think we see Hulkenberg for sure up there with that car I think we see a bad race from Aston
• 1:05:57
  See a bad race from Aston. We see a bad race from Aston both the Astons
• 1:06:02
  and then we were gonna see one of the racing bulls we're gonna see either Yuki or
• 1:06:09
  Danny Rick, I'm curious to see if Danny Rick can
• 1:06:12
  I also I don't think it's gonna be finishing for Yuki again. I don't think it's got another good race for Alpine
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  Yeah, I think we're gonna see back to almost kind of what we saw
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  Earlier in the season kind of the top dogs are up there again
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  I think this race for sure and I think we see
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  You know where she like the the one Haas and I think we see one of the racing bulls and it's gonna be interesting
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  I think we're to see the same kind of fight going up top. I think we're see a different switch of the fight you said
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  a bad day for Aston
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  Maybe you think Alonzo still in points type of bad day or do you think he's out of points?
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  I mean, I'm assuming if you're saying Aston's having a bad day strolls not sniffing points. No, but no
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  What about your boy Alonzo if if Alonzo sniffing points he's fighting 910
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  Okay, he's not gonna have another 7-8 race or 6-7 8 race. Well again, I think they only finished that high
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  I mean two Ferraris that automatically drops them another two spots from from Canada, but no, I think that's something to pay attention
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  I mean, I didn't look bad. They finished 6-7
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  But if you have eight right if you have eight of the top the top four teams, I think all eight are in the top ten
• 1:07:20
  Barring barring an engine issue or something that all eight are in the top ten this track especially with how good Mercedes
• 1:07:26
  So now you're talking about now who's a who's there to nine ten? Haas has got the top end speed. I
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  Think we see one of the Haas up there. I think it's Nico
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  They had the top end speed fastest track and I mean the reality is I mean the racing bulls look good right now
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  they look very good both drivers look good and
• 1:07:42
  I think we see one of those two in the other other spots
• 1:07:45
  I think we see a Haas and a racing bull in 910 or 810 type situation
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  Interesting. This is a comeback week for check. Oh
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  I have scratch that scratch that we will not see all the top four in the top eight. I
• 1:08:01
  Check those check. Oh is either ten or
• 1:08:04
  Ten or out. I think that three like he's not somebody he has not shown this year that he can climb like he did last
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  Year at all. He doesn't have that climb. I think no matter who he's fighting with it doesn't matter
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  I think that three place grid penalty. I
• 1:08:19
  Keep forgetting about that. So I mean
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  He might he might quality
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  1213 maybe climbs to 10 maybe dude. That's a good point. I totally forgot about the three place grid penalty for him, too
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  Yeah, yeah
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  It's at the bottom if we see him in there and I think if he's not in there I think again it's I think it's
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  either Albon
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  if
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  Checos not in the top ten. It's either Albon or
• 1:08:46
  a Danny Rick in the top ten in that tenth spot. Mm-hmm. So what since you're since you got the floor
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  What's your podium my podium is gonna be versus Stappen
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  Classic I'm waiting for him. He's a
• 1:09:03
  Checking whether we're stopping. I'm gonna put a Lando. Yeah, and I'm gonna put Hamilton
• 1:09:10
  While go next I got the same thing. Oh
• 1:09:12
  whoa, oh
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  I'm gonna be the one that won out looking at me. Yeah, I'm gonna go with
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  For Stappen. Yeah, of course. I was tough second
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  You're going for stepping in. Whoa, I think Lando's gonna win this race
• 1:09:33
  I'm going for Stappen
• 1:09:37
  Charles and then Lando, okay
• 1:09:41
  Very close to yours actually I'm going max Lando and signs
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  Signs, okay. Yeah, it's just it's his home race. I'm done. I gave up on putting him in the top three
• 1:09:51
  I gave up on it gave up on putting signs in your top three so many times
• 1:09:54
  I lost so many points
• 1:10:02
  Give an update on the standings not the best week from Cole and Joel last week only getting one point
• 1:10:08
  Smell team I've got two so we are both currently tied for the lead with 16 points
• 1:10:13
  Joe was in third with 15 and Cole is bringing up the rear with 13
• 1:10:17
  Three's my lucky numbers, bro
• 1:10:20
  It's been killing me a whole year. I mean Russell last week just I mean instantly screwed us all. Yeah, that's all
• 1:10:27
  You know between you guys it was LeClaire, you know, it should be fun for next season would be getting an extra point for
• 1:10:36
  quality
• 1:10:37
  P1 like who's gonna quality P1?
• 1:10:44
  Yeah, quality blue bonus point I'm gonna add a whole nother line to all of these I pre-made this
• 1:10:50
  This spreadsheet for the whole year
• 1:10:53
  No, it's all good. We can do it
• 1:10:55
  You gotta do this off
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  Max
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  Not to be really lame on the first time we're doing it but I
• 1:11:09
  Got Lando
• 1:11:12
  Let's put me in for land. I was gonna say Lando too
• 1:11:14
  I was hoping I could be a little odd this week because I need the points dude
• 1:11:18
  I have the same lineup as Tyler and you're tied for first
• 1:11:22
  Take Lewis for pole
• 1:11:24
  It's just a straight listen to me. You're in last place. What are you doing?
• 1:11:28
  Although I was in last place for a hot minute. I start taking risks
• 1:11:31
  I thought I was taking a risk Orlando thing. We have money on this
• 1:11:37
  Joe who's your who's your it's gonna be for stabbing a hundred percent Maxwell. Yeah, he's coming back
• 1:11:43
  All right, screw it. We'll try it out. See you see what happens. Hmm. I like that extra little bonus point
• 1:11:50
  A little extra cheddar
• 1:11:52
  Let's do it this way you pick this race the other three of us any one of the races
• 1:11:56
  We get to pick a race. We want the extra one
• 1:11:58
  What you mean to only do it four times this season? No, let's do it every race. Yeah
• 1:12:03
  So we start thinking who's gonna finish?
• 1:12:05
  Should we start picking who's gonna finish last?
• 1:12:08
  Logan Logan
• 1:12:12
  That'd be kind of fun look a boost point we call it or the tents that'd be cool calling tent calling
• 1:12:17
  Tents would be fun. I should be fun. Yeah, and to be three points
• 1:12:20
  Oh boy now we're getting I think that's too many points now. We're getting crazy. I need them
• 1:12:33
  I wouldn't mind 10th. I like that idea. You know, I'm doing I'm pulling out check of the rest of the year
• 1:12:40
  Let's try this this week we might add 10th next week
• 1:12:43
  Or next whenever the heck we can just switch it up every race to just like a bonus point for whatever this week 10th or quality
• 1:12:50
  How many safety cars?
• 1:12:55
  We just have something that's worth the bonus point this week who takes first next week who finishes last week after like it
• 1:13:01
  I like it. Yeah, let's change it or how many safety cars are in the race. Yeah, I mean, it's a bonus point
• 1:13:06
  So whatever just last thing on this the scoreboard thing can we start going from first to last?
• 1:13:11
  I'm not gonna win if I if I if I can't just do the wild cards. I'll give you some crazy ones up there
• 1:13:17
  I'll just give it to me dude. I'm gonna be the crazy one. You want to predict first second and third?
• 1:13:21
  No, I'm saying I will throw in some crazy predictions in there like Lewis for pole
• 1:13:26
  That's not that crazy, but it's kind of crazy right now, right? Yeah, I'll throw those in there
• 1:13:30
  But I need to go last some dead last
• 1:13:34
  I want to go last cuz I don't want anybody else to be the same pick cuz I need the point
• 1:13:37
  Oh, so you just want to throw a wild card in no matter what so if we all
• 1:13:41
  Point so if we go max Charles Lando, you're gonna be like Botas. Yeah. Yeah, so
• 1:13:54
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• 1:13:57
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