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The Kenny Report | 30 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister, the Immigration Minister, the foreign criminals, community
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  Speaker 3: safety and the ensuing shambles. I'll explain why labor is
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  Speaker 3: culpable and I'll show their desperation to duck responsibility. Also
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  Speaker 3: the Green left bias at the ABC. Former Communications Minister
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  Speaker 3: Richard Olsten says Laura Tingle should go and Sarah ferguson
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  Speaker 3: Io and China throws Australia a bone scrapping some beef bands.
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  Speaker 3: What are they playing at? Michael Schubridge says, we ought
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  Speaker 3: to be very wary. Indeed, I can't wait to show
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  Speaker 3: you the shortest and funniest court case in all history.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon. Also Tim Blair, mart Nicholson joined me.
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  Speaker 3: All the politics plus a sneak peek at the next
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  Speaker 3: Please Explain cartoon.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just take you some breaking news though in Canberra,
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  Speaker 3: where there is a Senate estimates hearing and the ABC
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  Speaker 3: Managing Director David Anderson is being grilled over ABC bias.
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  Speaker 2: Let's listen in.
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  Speaker 4: Reported by other media outlets and then widely circulated. That
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  Speaker 4: does become an issue. I think Miss Stingle has gone
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  Speaker 4: to qualify those statements in statements she released yesterday with
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  Speaker 4: regard to her concern about where some of this discourse
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  Speaker 4: might lead.
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  Speaker 5: So I just want to return to the question, YEP,
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  Speaker 5: because Justin Stevens, in his statement said the ABC's editorial
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  Speaker 5: standards serve a vital role. Laura has been reminded of
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  Speaker 5: their application of external events as well as in her work,
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  Speaker 5: and I have counseled her over the remarks. So he
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  Speaker 5: is saying those comments are not consistent with your editorial standards.
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm saying the same thing, Senator. I agree
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  Speaker 4: with mister Stephen's statement yesterday, and I agree if they
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  Speaker 4: were on an ABC platform, they would not meet our
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  Speaker 4: editorial standards.
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  Speaker 5: That you've just contradicted what mister Stevens has said because
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  Speaker 5: he's saying that they were that they were not consistent, and.
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  Speaker 4: She was counseled, yes, so had they I agree, they
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  Speaker 4: would not have passed the test for our editorial standards
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  Speaker 4: had they been on our platform. I agree with mister
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  Speaker 4: Stephen's statement. I'm not in contradiction with that at all.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm doing is putting out the problem that.
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  Speaker 3: He that is the ABC managing Director David Anderson live
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  Speaker 3: fronting that Senate Estimates Committee.
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  Speaker 2: You heard him then answering questions from.
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  Speaker 3: The shadow Communications Minister, Senator Sarah Henderson, the ABC Managing
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  Speaker 3: director there admitting and confirming that the seven thirty political
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  Speaker 3: reporter Laura Tingle was in breach of ABC standards with
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  Speaker 3: those comments she made controversially at the Sydney Writers Festival
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  Speaker 3: last week.
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  Speaker 2: We've been all over those you this week. We've showed
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  Speaker 2: them to you.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you a recap of that issue and speak
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  Speaker 3: to the former Communications Minister Richard Olston later in the program.
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  Speaker 3: Our border protection and immigration system is in a shambles,
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  Speaker 3: just as we feared would happen under Labor. Community safety
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  Speaker 3: has been jeopardized. There's no sign that the government is
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  Speaker 3: getting top of this, getting on top of this. And incredibly,
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  Speaker 3: the inept Immigration Minister Andrew Giles is still in his job.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot of political arguments out there that always
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  Speaker 6: happens in this building. I've got a job to do.
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  Speaker 6: I'm relentlessly focused on that job.
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  Speaker 3: Good lord, let's just quickly go through Labour's failures so far.
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  Speaker 2: Then unpicked the pathetic excuses.
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  Speaker 3: And Buck passing from Giles and from the Prime Minister today.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Labor promised.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be just as tough as the Coalition on Border
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  Speaker 3: Protection and immigration, but they scrapped TPVs and we've had
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  Speaker 3: at least six boats arrive and three of those got
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  Speaker 3: people to the mainland, something that hasn't happened in this
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  Speaker 3: country for over a decade. And Labour mangled a high
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  Speaker 3: court case then let loose more than one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty criminal non citizens, foreign criminals released into the community.
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  Speaker 3: Almost twenty percent of them at least twenty eight so far,
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  Speaker 3: face fresh charges. They allegedly have committed new offenses since
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  Speaker 3: being freed. Despite new laws urgently passed last year, Labour
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  Speaker 3: has not managed to put any criminal detainees back behind
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  Speaker 3: bars to protect the community. And the later scandal is
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  Speaker 3: Direction ninety nine, put in place by Giles at the
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  Speaker 3: behest of Anthony Albanesi in order to please former New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Labor Prime Minister Jacinda R.
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  Speaker 2: Deurn.
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  Speaker 3: Because of this directive, serious criminals, including child rapists, who
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  Speaker 3: that have been deported from this country have had their
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  Speaker 3: visas reinstated so that they remain here in Australia. The
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  Speaker 3: Australian newspaper has traced eighty cases. These include a New
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  Speaker 3: Zealander who raped his fourteen year old stepdaughter while his
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  Speaker 3: wife was giving birth, a Lebanese man convicted of raping
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  Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl, an Afghan man who raped
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  Speaker 3: a fourteen year old girl and a sixteen year old
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  Speaker 3: girl in separate offenses. I showed you last night how
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  Speaker 3: Abdurn pushed for changes to Australia's deportation processes years ago
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  Speaker 3: and was given short shrift by then Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
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  Speaker 7: Australia is well within its rights to deport individuals who
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  Speaker 7: break your laws. New Zealand does the same, But we
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  Speaker 7: have a simple request send back kiwis genuine kiwis, do
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  Speaker 7: not deport your people and your problems.
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  Speaker 8: I respect the positions that are put forward by Prime
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  Speaker 8: Minister Aardun but in our government's view, that is not
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  Speaker 8: in Australia's national interests to not deport non citizens who
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  Speaker 8: have committed crimes in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: As I stressed, that's protecting our national interest, that's protecting
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  Speaker 3: our community. But after the ALP was elected, Aardrn got
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  Speaker 3: what she wanted. She met Alberan EASi, and he flagged
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  Speaker 3: a new approach that would see fewer New Zealanders sent
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  Speaker 3: back across the ditch.
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  Speaker 9: We will continue to deport people when appropriate, but we
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  Speaker 9: will have some common sense apply. Here has lived their
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  Speaker 9: entire life effectively in Australia with no connection whatsoever to
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  Speaker 9: New Zealand. Then common sense should apply and we'll act
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  Speaker 9: as friends.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that phrase about applying some common sense.
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  Speaker 2: I'll come back to that now.
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  Speaker 3: I show you this history because it's very important to
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  Speaker 3: understand the intent of this change. The whole idea, the
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  Speaker 3: whole aim, was to make sure fewer people from were
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  Speaker 3: actually deported from Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's that simple.
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  Speaker 3: This was not a change to protect the Australian community.
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  Speaker 3: This was not a change to ensure criminals were locked
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  Speaker 3: up or deported.
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  Speaker 2: This was a.
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  Speaker 3: Change specifically aimed at making it easier for criminals to
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  Speaker 3: stay here. The policy change was delivered through the now
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  Speaker 3: infamous Direction ninety nine, signed into effect by Giles in
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  Speaker 3: January twenty twenty three. The crucial new wording instructs departments
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  Speaker 3: and courts to consider the strength, nature and duration of
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  Speaker 3: ties to Australia. Yeah, if you demonstrate a tie to Australia,
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  Speaker 3: not citizenship, not the normal test of citizenship. But if
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  Speaker 3: you have ties to Australia, you can get to stay.
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  Speaker 3: And so a bunch of criminals eighty at last count,
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  Speaker 3: have been able to avoid deportation. Some have even claimed
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  Speaker 3: they identify as Indigenous and it worked for them. Yet
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  Speaker 3: we get this rubbage from Giles and from Albanezi today.
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  Speaker 6: What is the case is, when we looked at Ministerial
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  Speaker 6: Direction ninety nine, this was not how it was supposed
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  Speaker 6: to operate. That was not the advice that we were given.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, we were given the opposite advice in terms
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  Speaker 6: of the impact on the sort of serious crimes that
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  Speaker 6: we have seen.
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  Speaker 3: That is buncom As I've shown you, the whole intent
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  Speaker 3: was to make it harder for us to deport everyone
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to deport.
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  Speaker 2: The whole idea was to.
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  Speaker 3: Give criminals another chance of staying here. Labor gave them
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  Speaker 3: the chance to claim a connection to Australia, and surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 3: they did and they stayed. And as we told you yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: this is such a mess that Giles is now scrapping
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  Speaker 3: and rewriting Direction ninety nine.
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  Speaker 6: And this is why we will issue a new revised
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  Speaker 6: direction to avoid any doubt in the operation of our
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  Speaker 6: visa system. So again common sense will apply it.
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  Speaker 3: Common sense will apply Now, wasn't that exactly what the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister said when he started this debacle nearly two
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  Speaker 3: years ago.
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  Speaker 9: We will continue to deport people when appropriate, but we
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  Speaker 9: will have some common sense apply here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if this mess is a result of applying common sense,
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  Speaker 3: please don't promise to apply it again and have a
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  Speaker 3: listened to this from the minister.
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  Speaker 6: Under me. All of these visas were canceled, they were
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  Speaker 6: overturned in some cases by the tribunal. The contrast is
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  Speaker 6: what happened under Peter Dutton. Were he his department, not
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  Speaker 6: the tribunal, not the court, gave visas back to people.
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  Speaker 6: We heard about this yesterday in sented estimates one hundred
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  Speaker 6: and two sex offenders, sixty four child sex offenders as.
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  Speaker 2: Well as others.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, this labor mob who have spent years telling
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  Speaker 3: us time and again that Peter Dutton is too tough,
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  Speaker 3: too heartless. You know, he's the gruff former Queensland copper
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  Speaker 3: who isn't empathetic enough to run the country.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now they're trying.
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  Speaker 3: To say Dutton was worse on boarders, even though he
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  Speaker 3: deported more people than any other immigration minister. They're trying
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  Speaker 3: to say he was a soft touch.
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  Speaker 10: The reality is that on this bloke's watch, one thousand,
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  Speaker 10: three hundred hardcore criminals were released.
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  Speaker 11: From immigration detention centers one thousand, three hundred, not because
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  Speaker 11: of a decision of the High Court, not because of
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  Speaker 11: a decision of the High Court, but on his watch,
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  Speaker 11: no released, no curfews, no ankle bracelets, no monitoring, no
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  Speaker 11: regard for community safety.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a hail Mary play now from Labor,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: In order to try to save their minister, they've switched
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  Speaker 3: from saying Dutton's too tough to claiming he's too soft.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he's just about right. Labor has to get rid
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  Speaker 3: of Giles and put someone else in to fix these shambles.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, listen to Giles on why even convicted murderers
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  Speaker 3: released from immigration to tension are not being forced to
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  Speaker 3: wear ankle bracelets, and.
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  Speaker 6: That to enable things like using drones to keep track
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  Speaker 6: of these people.
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  Speaker 12: We know, why not just have them all with electronic monitor.
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  Speaker 6: Because the law doesn't allow it. The law requires a
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  Speaker 6: consideration of each person's circumstances. That's what the law's wan
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  Speaker 6: to For a convicted murderer, this seems a no brainer
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  Speaker 6: that you would have every single monitoring. The law requires
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  Speaker 6: that the individual circumstances need to be considered.
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  Speaker 2: Drones.
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  Speaker 3: Really, we have drones twenty four to seven above the
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  Speaker 3: murderers and the sex offenders.
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  Speaker 2: Hardly think so give.
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  Speaker 3: Us a break, minister, and listen to Giles there blame
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  Speaker 3: the law as his excuse for inaction. Minister, you are
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  Speaker 3: part of a government. If the laws are no good,
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  Speaker 3: you change the laws. That's your job. You are a
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  Speaker 3: law maker. Once again, it's the same response from this government,
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  Speaker 3: and yes you're going to hear it by popular demand.
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  Speaker 3: Again it perfectly encapsulates in song what this government's attitude is.
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  Speaker 3: We're just the mugs who elect people, but they get
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  Speaker 3: into government and no one is responsible. Labor change the
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  Speaker 3: rules for deportation to allow more criminals to stay. They
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  Speaker 3: boasted about it, yet now they claim they're not responsible
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  Speaker 3: for the consequences. Labour passed new laws to redetain dangerous
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  Speaker 3: criminal detainees, yet they have not redetained anyone and they're
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  Speaker 3: not properly monitoring all of them, and they blame the laws.
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  Speaker 3: They're not responsible. This is an absolute cluster mess ALBERIZI
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  Speaker 3: will be glad the parliamentary week is over. Giles will
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  Speaker 3: be wondering how he survived it. Perhaps he's been able
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  Speaker 3: to demonstrate a strong and long standing tie to the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister. Now, just to lighten the mood, I want
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  Speaker 3: to show you an extraordinary court case from earlier this
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  Speaker 3: month in the US state of Michigan. In this traffic
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  Speaker 3: and driving matter, the judge Cedric Simpson wonders where the
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  Speaker 3: defendant is, and his lawyer says he'll attend via zoom,
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  Speaker 3: and just then he joins the hearing.
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  Speaker 13: Mister, are you driving, Ashley?
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  Speaker 1: I'm pulling into my doctor's office. Actually so, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: just give me one second. I'm parking right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a sign of the times, isn't it being
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  Speaker 3: able to attend your court hearing via zoom even from
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  Speaker 3: your car while you're driving.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you hear what the case is?
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  Speaker 13: Considering you're stationary, I'm pulling in right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's the second. Yes, I am all right.
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  Speaker 13: What are we doing your howner?
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  Speaker 14: We are specially requesting in a German in this matter
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  Speaker 14: up possibly two or four weeks at the court would allow.
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  Speaker 13: So maybe I don't understand something. This is a driving
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  Speaker 13: one license suspended, That is correct, your enter, And he
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  Speaker 13: was just driving and he didn't have a license.
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  Speaker 15: Oh is it the charges, your honner.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, no, I'm looking at his record. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 13: a license, he's suspended and he's just driving.
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  Speaker 16: That is correct, your anner.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And it all dawns on the driver disqualified from driving,
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  Speaker 3: license suspended and he turns up to the hearing viazoom
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  Speaker 3: while he's driving. This only confirms my theory that social
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  Speaker 3: media is making people dumb up by the minute. Judd
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  Speaker 3: Simpson made sure he won't be driving to his next hearing.
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  Speaker 13: I don't even know why he would do that. So
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  Speaker 13: defendant's bond is revoked. In this manner, defendant is turned
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  Speaker 13: himself into the Washington kind of deal by six pm
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  Speaker 13: to day. Failure to turn himself in will result in
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  Speaker 13: the bench weren't with no bond.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Forty four year old Corey Harris remains in custody and
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  Speaker 3: he's due to appear in court next week. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: expect the County jail officers will actually drive him to
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  Speaker 3: his next court appearance unless he offers to jump behind
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  Speaker 3: the wheel himself. Let's go to Canberra now and catch
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  Speaker 3: up with the Liberal MP Zoe Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 2: Before she jets home.
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  Speaker 3: End of another sitting week, Zoe Andrew Giles, As I
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  Speaker 3: just said, he must be surprised that he's been able
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  Speaker 3: to survive it.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, look, it's been such a rolling snowball of disaster
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  Speaker 15: since December. I think he gets to the end of
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  Speaker 15: every month and goes still here. But look, it's just
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  Speaker 15: got beyond a joke. Almost every question this week has
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  Speaker 15: gone to him asking for details, and there's been lots
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  Speaker 15: of wishy, washy marshmallow kind of words trying to ensure
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  Speaker 15: this and I'm going to get to the bottom of that.
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  Speaker 15: There's been ample time for getting to the bottom of that.
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  Speaker 15: Still nothing, and still every day a new story of
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  Speaker 15: some other disaster that's happened somewhere within the community and
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  Speaker 15: where the community is at risk. Still and then endless blame.
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  Speaker 15: It's the aat's fault, it's the department's fault. Today, maybe
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  Speaker 15: it's to Sinda Ardurn's fault, who knows right but never
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  Speaker 15: taking responsibility and they've been in the driving seat, no
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  Speaker 15: pun intended, for two years. Maybe it's time to take
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  Speaker 15: away the license now.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to Andrew Giles hanging onto his job though,
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  Speaker 3: it seems clear that the problem here is that when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to this Direction ninety nine issue, that this
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  Speaker 3: was a directive from the Prime Minister to sort this
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  Speaker 3: issue out and to get this direction in place.
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  Speaker 2: So surely that's why he's.
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  Speaker 3: Being protected because if he falls on his sword over
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  Speaker 3: the way he's brought in Direction ninety nine and allowed
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  Speaker 3: at least eighty criminals to stay in this country when
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  Speaker 3: they should have there's going to be a paper trail
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  Speaker 3: and at least a political debate trail that points straight
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  Speaker 3: back to the Prime Minister for pushing on this.
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  Speaker 15: Absolutely and obviously our senators have done a remarkable job
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  Speaker 15: this week, especially Senator James Patterson and getting to the
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  Speaker 15: bottom of this and who knew what were But it
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  Speaker 15: is remarkable today to hear both the Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 15: the Minister talk about a common sense approach to the words.
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  Speaker 15: The words are pretty straightforward and pretty black and white,
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  Speaker 15: that the decision makers have to take into account how
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  Speaker 15: long someone's been Australia, who they're friends with, where they
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  Speaker 15: may have grown up, basically prioritizing that person's connection to
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  Speaker 15: Australia as opposed to the safety that that person may
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  Speaker 15: have imperiled in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this gets to the government's spin and excuse making
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  Speaker 3: that I tried to outline at the top of the program.
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  Speaker 3: Those words are crucial, right, and the intent of trying
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  Speaker 3: to satisfy just into our jurna New Zealand is crucial right.
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  Speaker 3: The whole idea of this change was to provide another
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  Speaker 3: reason for criminals not to be deported, and they were
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  Speaker 3: hoping it would just apply to a bunch of New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand as sure, but clearly the whole change was that
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  Speaker 3: giving this connection excuse to remain in Australia. It was
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  Speaker 3: designed to allow more criminals to stay here. Yet they
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  Speaker 3: pretend that it's all just an unintended consequence.
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  Speaker 15: And you know, the average Australian thinks, what their common
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  Speaker 15: sense approach is, we are so lucky to be here,
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  Speaker 15: being in this country. Being an Australian is a privilege,
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  Speaker 15: It is a blessing. It is something for which we
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  Speaker 15: are grateful every day. And when you break that contract
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  Speaker 15: with the country. You put your visa at risk, and
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  Speaker 15: when you put other people at extreme danger, you should
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  Speaker 15: expect to have your visa canceled rather than to be
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  Speaker 15: able to make up some long winded story about connection
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  Speaker 15: to Australia so you can stay here and frankly create
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  Speaker 15: more risk. Anyway, it's time for them to take a
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  Speaker 15: new approach. I think we've gone on long enough from
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  Speaker 15: December to now, and I said, rolling chaos, it's time
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  Speaker 15: for change.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look exactly, if you're a citizen, if you're an Australian citizen,
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  Speaker 3: we're stuck with you. But I'm afraid if you're not
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  Speaker 3: an Australian citizen, then sayonara, you've broken that contract. As
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  Speaker 3: you just mentioned, Zoe, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it,
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  Speaker 3: Zoey Mackenzie, their Liberal MP at the end of that
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  Speaker 3: parliamentary sitting week. Now, as I mentioned at the top
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  Speaker 3: of the program, the ABC leadership is being grilled as
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: we speak in that Senate's Estimates Committee, and there's going
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to be a big focus there already is on political bias,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: as expressed of course by one of the ABC's most
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: senior journalists, the seven thirty Political reporter Laura Tingle, who's
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: also the staff elected member of the ABC board.
• 20:32
  Speaker 18: I mean, we are a racist campulent's face that we
• 20:35
  Speaker 18: always have been, and it is very depressing to give
• 20:38
  Speaker 18: a license like that. I find profoundly depressing and a
• 20:42
  Speaker 18: terrible prospect for the next election.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all racist and the evil Coalition under Peter
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Dutton is playing to those racist undertones. Apparently it was
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a really comically far left rant from Tingle, and Peter
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Dutton has had his say on this today.
• 21:01
  Speaker 17: Laura Tingle's outed herself now as somebody who is a
• 21:04
  Speaker 17: part of san She's a green slash labor supporter. She
• 21:08
  Speaker 17: is political in nature, and therefore her credibility as a
• 21:13
  Speaker 17: journalist really is shot.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I took up the issue with a man who oversaw
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the ABC for many years, the Howard government Communications Minister,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Richard Olsten a look.
• 21:24
  Speaker 16: Tingle is symptomatic of all that's wrong with the ABC.
• 21:28
  Speaker 16: I mean, she caught out making outrageously one sided comments.
• 21:34
  Speaker 16: She's rightly rebuked by Justin Stevens, but not a sentilla
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: of apology or regret. Simply, I'm proud of all I do.
• 21:45
  Speaker 16: I mean, what's all that about in other words, it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 16: business as usual as far as Tingle's concerned. And we
• 21:53
  Speaker 16: all know that there's the ABC Act prohibits this sort
• 21:58
  Speaker 16: of behavior. AKMA, who's the regulator, has said, in knowing
• 22:04
  Speaker 16: certain terms, that you simply can't behave like this When
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: had happened last time with Andrew Proben, the ABC just
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: ignored acma's rulings. So I don't know what's going to change.
• 22:16
  Speaker 16: I think Kim Williams is a breath of fresh air
• 22:18
  Speaker 16: in one respect, and I think he's handled this quite cleverly.
• 22:22
  Speaker 16: He shouldn't be the focus of it, so he's got
• 22:25
  Speaker 16: Justin Stevens to read the Riot Act, and he has.
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: But you've got people like Sarah Ferguson who just constantly interrupt,
• 22:33
  Speaker 16: people who just wear their bias as a badge of honor,
• 22:37
  Speaker 16: and Tingles pretty much the same. So I despair in
• 22:40
  Speaker 16: some respects because unless they sort of let her her
• 22:45
  Speaker 16: tenure expire, she's not going to resign. Obviously.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You mentioned Justin Stevens, the news director, stepping in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: statement he issued yesterday, he said the ABC's editorial standards
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: serve a vital role, which makes you wonder why they're
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: not enforced to her own often, and Laura has been
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: reminded of their application at external events as well as
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: in her work, and I've counseled her over her remarks.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Now is counseling and enafls. Does the ABC at some
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: stage need to either suspend or dismiss someone who keeps
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: ignoring these standards of objectivity, which, as you point out,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: are actually enshrined in law.
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: Look, I think the reason why this has taken some
• 23:28
  Speaker 16: days to even get to this point is that I
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: have no doubt tingle absolutely refused to do anything. No apologies,
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: no cooperation, no acceptance. And that's the problem. How do
• 23:41
  Speaker 16: I deal with that? Well, they've got to move people on,
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: and as I say, if she's not going to resign now,
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: she should have a tenure terminated.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I just want to show you, I just want to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: show you something else. Or you're throwing Sarah Ferguson into
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: that one as well. Well, Sarah Ferguson focus on. She
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: has never apologized for or corrected her three part series
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: that suggested Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump in the White House.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So the ABC has never corrected that one.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I want to go to another part of what Laura
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Tingle had to say because I think this is very
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: instructive about how she views Australia and therefore how many
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: in the ABC view the country they live and work in.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Have a listen for a major point the.
• 24:26
  Speaker 18: Colly that be saying, as Nicky says, you know everything
• 24:30
  Speaker 18: that's going wrong in this country is because of my grants.
• 24:33
  Speaker 18: And you know I had flash of people turning up
• 24:37
  Speaker 18: to try to read a property or at an auction
• 24:40
  Speaker 18: and they look a bit different. What have you defined
• 24:43
  Speaker 18: different as? Basically he has given them license.
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: To be abused, Richard Olsen.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: What Laura Tingle there is actually doing is inventing words.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: She's verbialing Peter Dutton. She's saying that he said things
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: he never said. And she's also suggesting that people are
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: going to be a bit if they turn up at
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: real estate auctions and look a little different. Now I
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: don't know what sort of an Australia she lives in.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: She thinks everybody looks like her. But if you go
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to a real estate auction anywhere in Sydney or Melbourne,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: guess what people turn up and they look like they
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: come from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds. You don't
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: know whether they're Australian or from overseas or not. This
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: is the Australia that we live in today, and yet
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: somehow she thinks it's one of horrible racial divisions and abuse.
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and she hasn't backed down at all. She still
• 25:31
  Speaker 16: says we've got a racial issue. I mean, you go
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: around the world, Australia's world's best practice in many respects.
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: We don't have racial riots here and people like Tingle
• 25:43
  Speaker 16: are just encouragible. They obviously simply live in their own
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: bubble and they refuse to get out of it. She
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: won't take any serious notice of anyone except herself. In
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: the UK, they call them big beasts. She's almost too
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: big for people to control.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 25:59
  Speaker 16: I was hopeful that Kim Williams would be the solution
• 26:02
  Speaker 16: to this problem because he can he by given his background,
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: and he's married to Gop Whitlam's daughter. He's and he's
• 26:10
  Speaker 16: been a lifelong labor man all his life. So it's
• 26:13
  Speaker 16: not a party political issue. It's just adhering to the
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: Charter and respecting what's required. But these people just think
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: they can get away with it almost anything. I mean,
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: he warned her weeks ago. She obviously took no notice
• 26:28
  Speaker 16: of that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, it looks like it'said to be more of
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the same. Thanks so much for joining us, Richard, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: appreciate your time.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Coming up in the program, we'll have more on that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I'll dip into what's happening in Canberra to give you
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the latest on that grilling that David Andison is enduring
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: as we spoke. As we speak, but before we do that,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: we'll catch up with Tim Blair and Martin Nicholson as well.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about the cost of living forcing Ozzie to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: delay retirement plans. Plus Sleeepy Joe has been asked about
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: whether he's going to hand over the top job to
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: His response is with in with you.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: As we get towards the end of a crazy week,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: it's always great.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: To make sense of it with Tim Blair and mart Nicholson.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, guys. Mark.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I think that the breaking news this week is the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: groundbreaking revelation that, despite its legal obligations to be impartial
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and objective, the ABC is actually spouting hard left propaganda.
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Chris, It's
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: shocking isn't it Like, you know, the level of bias
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: that we saw from Laura Tingle today from the commentary,
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: It's like we all think that's what's going to make
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: her lose her job, but I think in reality that's
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: what got her the job, which is really sad. I've
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: lost faith in the ABC for a long time, but
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: that really got me. But the amount of people that
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: are celebrating her, standing by her and saying thank you
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: is just astonishing. I can't believe it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: But you know, we think it's, you know, a revelation,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: this incredible exclusive that the ABC's left wing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But but Tim, they don't seem to have accepted it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: At Auntie.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: They're they're suggesting that she's actually just a straight down
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the line, neutral reporter who's been poorly interpreted, misunderstood.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, besides the stuff coming from Mark and step
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: step mates, it's it's the greatest political comedy occurring in
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Australia today that you know, Laura Tego could be Laura
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Tika could be simultaneously completely left wing on every issue,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: demonstrably left wing on every issue, but also if you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: listen to her fans, also completely neutral. Somehow pull that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: trick off and also an example of as well of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: how the ABC in general, the friends of the ABC
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: or every ABC supporter in the in the in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: press generally will always maintain that ridiculous point of view
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that they love the ABC because of its neutrality, not
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: because it always goes left.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got a clip, a really fresh newsbaking, newsbreaking
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: clip that demonstrates your point exactly.
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: Tim.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful because watch.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Here as Senator Sarah Anderson talks about what Laura Tingle
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: has said, and the voice interrupting and cheering on Laura
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Tingle for her neutrality and of her object objectivity is
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: the extreme left Greens Senator Marine Ferruke, have a look, she.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Said, the hot buttons he's pressing that they are very
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: dangerous for our community. She again was She again was
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: very She again was very disparaging of.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: Mister Dutton and whistling, thank.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You, we will have order.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: They are all agreeing with Laura Tingle. It's game set
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and match market.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Marine Ferruki is the Green senator who has bagged Australia.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Said she's ashamed of Australia because we're causing floods in
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: her formerly native Pakistan with our climate policies.
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: It's ridiculous. So I imagine you're much the same, mate. If
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: we didn't have any hair, we'd be pulling it all
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: out at this point. It's actually ridiculous. I've got Laura
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: Tingle in this week's episode actually because I think I
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: demonstrate in that one that she's used as almost a
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: bit of a tool for the government. In this one,
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: it's like, oh my god, people are starting to realize
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: that a criticism of immigration is not actually racist. Quick,
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: Laura Tingle, You're my only hope and they all need it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: They all meet the ABC as a tool, which is
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: why it's stuck around.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait for that one. Who does Laura
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Tingle's voice, So Greta.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Tom byrn.
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: Me unfortunately the way it should be.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, Now, I just want to shift on to another topic, Tim.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: We're hearing that because of cost of living pressures, people
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: are having to extend the working lives, not retiring till
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: they're in their seventies. So this is a concern or
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: depends what your job is. I won't mind working into
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: my seventies. I expect to, but it's a bit rough
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: if you're a brick layer or a roofing plumber.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Look, absolutely, this is a massively important distinction that we've
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: got to make. The likes of you and I Mark.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: We've got jobs that don't exactly tax our spines or
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: our knees or backs and various physical aspects of us.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: We can get through pretty easily. But people who have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: been already put in decades of work on building sites
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: or in factories, on production lines. There's a reason why
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that sector of the community, that incredibly productive and useful
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: sector of the community really looks forward to looks forward
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to retirement. It is the Golden age sort of travel
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It's just getting a break, having a rest man.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It's tough out there if you're in your sixties and beyond.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: In physical environments.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is tough.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: And I do recall I have faint memories of Anthony
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Alberaneesi Jim Charmers saying that they're going to fix all
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: this cost of living stuff. Just elect them, get them
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: in the government, and they were going to ease the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: cost of living pressures.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to have transpired.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I want to go on to the latest stuff from
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the pro Palestine pro Palestine pro Hamas, anti Israel protesters
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and Mark. They've started putting the heat on Taylor Swift.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: They're turning up at her concerts now Swift is for Palestine,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and they're demanding that Taylor Swift take a stand. This
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: is the sort of intimidation of these people and the bullying.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody has to agree with them and say it publicly
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: or else they're going to be canceled.
• 32:38
  Speaker 12: The silence is deafening, Chris, the science is deafening from
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: my girl, Taylor Swift. I'm very disappointed in.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: It's not good enough.
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: You're right though, it is one hundred percent bullying. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: remember when I was here when Taylor Swift was in
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: the country and I was talking one of the fellows
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: here at the studio and I was like, I don't
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: get it, and he was like, look, how impressive it
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: is that she sells out the MCG this many times.
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: And I was like, yeah, right, okay, I'm coming around.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: And then the Super Bowl thing happened. I was like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: is she going to back Biden? She didn't, and I'm
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: starting to go, Okay, maybe she's She's got a point
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: there if she doesn't, if she remains a political on
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: this one, and she doesn't fall to the bullies on
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: this one. I think I'm a swiftye become a swiftee.
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: I'm him.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I think I've become a swifty too. I'll tell you what.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: While she was here, there was so much publicity. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: got to confess.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I downloaded two of our albums to get a bit
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: of a sense of what's going on.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And she's pretty good.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: She's pretty good, And you're right if she withstands this pressure,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and I think she can. I think she has enough
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: supporters she can waste a few of these lunatics on
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the fringe. I want to go to Joe Biden, tim
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and look, as Kristen Tate tells me all the time
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: that the greatest fear about Biden actually running and getting
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: re elected is, you know, he won't last four years.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: He's going to have to hand over to Kamala Harris.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: We'll get president Harris. And this was put to him
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: yesterday and I think his response is pretty interesting.
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: Have a look, President Vaden, will you be serving your
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: full four year term or handing over power?
• 34:00
  Speaker 19: Its vice President Harris.
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: All four years for handing over.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I can't hear you.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: From you approach now, Tim, the way I interpret that,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he said, have you full? Have you knocked your head?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Are you insane?
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: How could I possibly hand over to that crazy beep?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's something Joe Biden's very familiar with, accusations of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: mental mental defectiveness.
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: It's interesting, isn't it?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: How Biden's always had this sort of unpleasant and mean
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: aspect to his personality that's now kind of clouded a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: little bit. But the you know, the grandfatherly kind of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: old cuddley Joe Thesona, but he's always had this spiteful
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: kind of angle to him, and go back through old clips.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You know, he's he's got an accusatory kind of tone
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to many of his interactions with the public, and so
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: though he doesn't really like people very much, and which
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you would explain pretty much. But you know, I think
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that people were even it might be right
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that people are are a bit crazy if they're thinking
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris is going to step up because whoa
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: from Biden to her? That's that's that would that would
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: actually be a massive step down as well. It might
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: be quite right that Joe says it's a crazy.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Point of view. It's a big basement to Phil, she
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: might have trouble.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I just before we go, I've got a bit of
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: a preview of Mark's please explain cartoon that'll be released
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in the morning.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: Oh hi, Jodi, iw is this wondering dey? Can we
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: who get married this weekend?
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: Come on, Jody, please, I need the positive news in
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: facing's gone up again. I've got to stane to barkle.
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: Everyone hates me, Jody.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Ah, oh, oh, elbow you.
• 35:48
  Speaker 12: Okay, you're getting crushed by the polls. What No, No,
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: I'm not getting crushed by the poles. All right, maybe
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: the poles you are hurting me a little bit? Is
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: it noticeable?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Ah?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see how you work Laura and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: tingle into that narrative. We're going to have to wait
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: till l that tonight or tomorrow to find out.
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: They. Yeah, we've got a big night ahead of us,
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: made as you can telp with. Just look at that
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: and just see. We've got a lot of work ahead
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: of us. But it will be ready there tomorrow tomorrow morning,
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: maybe late tonight for those on the membership programs today,
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: great stuff.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Great stuff. We look forward to it too.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. We
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: better get to a break. On the other side, We're
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: going to catch up on Victoria police unearthing that phone
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: during a fresh search for the body of Samantha Murphy.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Plus Keith Pitt on Blackout, Bowen's renewables revolution and.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: How much is going to cost you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: It's almost four months now since Samantha Murphy went missing
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: while on a morning rum in Ballarat. A twenty two
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: year old man has been arrested and charged with her murder,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: but today a fresh search for the missing mum has
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: been suspended after police located a phone and other items
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: of interest yesterday. Those items have been sent for forensic testing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Here's Victoria's Police commissioner on the search.
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: The investigation is ongoing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: It's part of a plan search.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to speak in detail about it, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: for us, we continue to do everything we can to
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: try and recover her body.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in x Anthony Maller, the Sociate Professor of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: criminology at the University of Newscastle. Thanks for joining us
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: on this case again, Anthy. It's very unusual, isn't it
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: where you're still searching for the body. Yet you've already
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: charged someone with the murder. Obviously that suspect is not
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: being forthcoming with details. How significant do you think that
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: this discovery of the phone is likely to be.
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: Absolutely It's very difficult to charge somebody in a nobody case,
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: but the finding of this phone could be absolutely crucial.
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: So we know one hundred and sixteen days ago today,
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: almost four months ago some month that disappeared. We know
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: where the phone pinged then then the phone stopped. So
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: what this is going to allow police to do is
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: actually track that phone's movement and potentially indicate to them
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: where Samantha's remains may have been disposed in the meantime.
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: So it could absolutely break this case open, and they
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: will be doing everything they can to collect as much
• 38:15
  Speaker 14: geolocation data as possible from that phone, even after four
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: months potentially in water.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now that damn.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: The levels water levels had receded, So that's why the
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: phone has been exposed. It was near the last phone
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: tower where that phone pinned pinned.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking as if this is her phone.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: There's been no confirmation from the police that it is
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: her phone, although importantly no denial either and we can
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: see from the photos this was a phone with wallets
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and information in it, So if it belonged to someone else,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that they would know already and be telling us right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: Well, my understanding is there are a couple of bank
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: cards in with the phone holder. Many of us do that,
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: so they certainly on finding that they would have had
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: a very good idea of who that phone belonged to.
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: And you will have seen the footage to the police
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: officers kind of high fiving and certainly celebrating that fine,
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: because clues have been very slow to come in this case,
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: so anything that's going to potentially help break it open
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: would be very very welcomed by police. So I think
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: their reaction alone gives this a good idea that they
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: it probably is Samantha's phone.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and clarifying what you were saying before that this
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: should really help them locate the body, particularly if the
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: phone's been disposed of after he's disposed of her body,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: then it will show those movements before it ended up
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: in the dam exactly.
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: And where the phone was located, it's next to a
• 39:35
  Speaker 14: road and it could easily hypothetically just have been kind
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: of thrown out for car, so certainly that phone is
• 39:40
  Speaker 14: going to hold a lot of data and the police
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: can can certainly cut a lot from that, even after
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: such a long period of time. And we're lucky that
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: that area has had quite a long dry spell and
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: therefore that phone has actually been exposed, so that may
• 39:53
  Speaker 14: be the break that the police need, because the family
• 39:56
  Speaker 14: is still desperately waiting for rancers, as is the community,
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: so long after Samantha.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Banished exactly that closure and those answers are so important.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Anthony, I appreciate it. It's Anthony
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Mallet there from the University of a Newcastle. I want
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to catch up with Keith Pitt now because we want
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: to talk energy and Chris Bowen and Keith joins us
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: from Canberra.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Keith, former Resources minister.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, you had a column out today and it's
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: on a topic that I find fascinating and difficult to
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: get my head around.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I've used numbers in the past.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: About what this whole renewable transition has cost us, and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: some of the experts told me I've underestimated it. Tell
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: us about some of the important figures that you've been
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: able to come up with.
• 40:39
  Speaker 20: Well, Chris, this is the tip of the iceberg, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 20: unfortunately it's about transparent. It's about as transparent as the
• 40:44
  Speaker 20: block of concrete. It's really difficult to get to the
• 40:47
  Speaker 20: bottom of this. But over the last ten years, Australia's
• 40:50
  Speaker 20: Electricity US has basically paid for around seven hundred million
• 40:54
  Speaker 20: renewable energy certificates in the small scheme. There's a ceiling
• 40:58
  Speaker 20: of forty dollars. You can't find out anything else around
• 41:02
  Speaker 20: the rest. If you make an assumption that forty dollars
• 41:03
  Speaker 20: at the base and that's fair, that's twenty seven billion
• 41:07
  Speaker 20: dollars that they've paid already and blackout bar On and
• 41:10
  Speaker 20: a recent media release said that Labour's committed another forty
• 41:13
  Speaker 20: billion that was without the last budget. And then on
• 41:16
  Speaker 20: top of that, no one is allowing for what's needed
• 41:19
  Speaker 20: for frequency control system strength, all the ancillary services that
• 41:23
  Speaker 20: come and part of the inherent characteristics of normal generation
• 41:26
  Speaker 20: that runs on steam. So it is an extraordinary amount
• 41:30
  Speaker 20: of money. And guess who's paying for it? You are, yeah, exactly,
• 41:34
  Speaker 20: we're all paying for that. But that's that's seventy billion
• 41:36
  Speaker 20: dollars thereabouts. You've identified right there. But then on top
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: of that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Of course, there's an enormous number of grants to various
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: green schemes and even some physical infrastructure that the government
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: has funded. Also, for instance, there's all the state government
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: spending and we've just seen the new South Wales government
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: to put in what could be half a billion dollars to.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Keep a arring going for another couple of years. It
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: would be worthwhile for this country.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Surely we're owed it as taxpayers and consumers to know
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: the total spend so far on the renewables transition, because
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: we know we're all paying for it, whether it's taxpayers
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: money is being used, or whether we're paying for it
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: through higher electricity charges and prices.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: That's obviously all coming back to us of churs.
• 42:22
  Speaker 20: I've asked those questions of the Parliamentary Library before and
• 42:24
  Speaker 20: it's virtually impossible to establish. There are so many schemes
• 42:28
  Speaker 20: at a federal level, a state level, and don't forget
• 42:31
  Speaker 20: on the buying end, you've also got state governments, state
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: owned corporations who are buying, along with industry super funds
• 42:38
  Speaker 20: who buy in nbn CO, for example, Standbill Corporation. There's
• 42:41
  Speaker 20: a whole stack of them, and many of them are
• 42:44
  Speaker 20: paying overs because they'll have a policy internally that says
• 42:47
  Speaker 20: that's where you must source your electricity from.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: It strikes on the way in.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: But surely this is worthy of either a parliamentary inquiry
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: or surely taxpayers deserve to know the figure what we
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: are spending on this transition, because you can't do a
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: cost benefit analysis without knowing the cost.
• 43:07
  Speaker 20: Well, Chris, no one wants that, not the people who
• 43:09
  Speaker 20: are out there in the industry, because some of them
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: are making an extraordinary amount of money. Exactly, the retterms
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: are just incredible, absolutely incredible, and guaranteed exactly guaranteed.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Guaranteed that the expensive consumers. Thanks for joining us, Keith,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Keith Pitt there joining us live from Cameber.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I want to go on to another topic now because
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: there's been some good news out of China overnight, with
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Beijing lifting a ban on some izy beef exports four
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: years after imposing restrictions. Cattle producers have welcomed the decision.
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: China was one of our top three or four markets
• 43:43
  Speaker 19: for all of Australian beef, and given that we export
• 43:46
  Speaker 19: now somewhere close to seventy to seventy five percent of
• 43:50
  Speaker 19: all the beef cattle that we produce in this country.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's a really critical market.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Still, when I heard about this, I was thinking China
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: trade and diplomacy is not always what seems. Of course,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get a readout from Michael Schubridge of
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Strategic Analysis Australia.
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: Chris, it is good news to have five of our
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: meat producers able to sell their meat in China, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: three meatworks still can't do that. And I think we're
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: just seeing some of the things that Beijing gives to
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: a tributary state. In the lead up to the visit
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: to Australia of Premier Lee.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what it looks like to me. Premier
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Lee's jew here within a few days.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Really, he's coming next month, and of course China giving
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: us a little bit of good news to smooth the waters.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I'm worried we're being played off a break because we've
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: seen all these economic sanctions against Australia, all that tough
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: retoric directed against Australia, and it's almost as if they're
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: trying to keep us in checked when we're a little
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: soft on China, or when they want to sort of
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: give us some encouragement. They throw us a bone, whereas
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: none of these things should have been posed on Australia
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: in the first place. They all ought to go right now.
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: Yes, so this is like rose petals being strewn before
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: Premier League's feet so that he has a happy visit.
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: But another way of looking at it's more like what
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: you're talking about. China was beating us up with a
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: stick by not letting us sell products their consumers wanted.
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: Now they're only beating us with a slightly smaller stick.
• 45:25
  Speaker 10: And we're meant to be really grateful. And the problem
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: I have is our government probably is going to fall
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: over themselves in gratitude.
• 45:34
  Speaker 12: This is the thing.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Are we being rewarded for being soft already? We know
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that Anthony Alberizi was particularly weak, for instance, in response
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: to that sonar attack on Australian Navy divers. Are we
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: being rewarded now for being slightly more compliant?
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: Yes, we're being rewarded for pretending we have a stable
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: relationship with China when everything about the security side of
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: the relationship between Australia and China is dangerous and unstable.
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: So every time that the Prime Minister or the defense
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: minister or the trade minister or a foreign minister, Wong.
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: So they've stabilized the relationship. That's a win for Beijing,
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: because Beijing knows when it deals with our military it's
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: at risk of the Chinese military killing people in our helicopters,
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: our ships and our aircraft. That's not a stable relationship.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: So how do we.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Think we should deal with Premier Lee's visits. Surely Anthony
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Alberizi and Penny Wong need to in a public forum
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: address some of these issues. Make sure that we let
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: China know we're unhappy about the economic sanctions, we're unhappy
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: about its expansionism in the South China Sea, and unhappy
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: with its military threats and provocation to Australian defense forces.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: All the has to happen publicly.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Then we should be unhappy, of course, expressing public our
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: unhappiness about their meddling within our shores in terms of
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: spies and foreign interference. Surely they need to make some
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: of this stuff public during this visit. Otherwise we're just
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: rolling over.
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: Of Chris.
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: I'm not convinced that when we hear very stern things
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: are said behind closed doors that that's happening. I think
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: anyone who believes Anthony Albanesi raised that dangerous sonar incident
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: last November with Shijingping must be his mum. Nobody else
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: believes he raised it directly, so raising it quietly behind
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: closed doors is simply not enough. There's a way to
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: talk about this publicly without getting incredibly rude. You can
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: say we want a stable relationship with China, but that
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: stability has to be in the security field as well,
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: and the Chinese military risking death and destruction to our
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: military is not stable.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I know you're right, and I hope that's the way
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: it plays out, because we need to see our prime
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: ministers doing something about this publicly during this visit, as
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: you say, not just saying it's been dealt with behind
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: closed doors.
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Kim Beasley came out, as did Paul dib during the week,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: saying that Australia is in no position to defend itself
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: right now against an invading force, let's say, hypothetically against China.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: We would rely on the US to help us out.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: This hasn't always been the case.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing you will agree with their assessment. What I
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: want to know is what we can do in the
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: near term to overturn that situation. What do we need
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: to do first to be able to defend ourselves?
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: Well, the first thing is to stop doing what Richard Miles,
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: the part time Defense Minister and full time Deputy Prime Minister, does,
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: which is to talk about how nothing can be done quickly,
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: and any who thinks it could be done quickly lacks wit.
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: The seven hundred and sixty five billion dollars of Australian
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: taxpayer money pouring like a fire hose into the Defense
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: Department over the next ten years, it needs to be
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: spent in a way that increases our military power in
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: the next two, three and five years.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: How do you do that?
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: You buy some of the incredible capabilities that medium and
• 49:26
  Speaker 10: small Australian companies make, long range armed and unarmed under
• 49:30
  Speaker 10: water vessels, missiles, counter drone systems, all the things these
• 49:35
  Speaker 10: fantastic medium and small Australian companies are selling to other militaries,
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: but our military refuses to.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Buy extraordinary yeah, and drones among that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Michael, I appreciate your insights.
• 49:49
  Speaker 12: Thanks Chris, great to talk with you.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, worrying times all right, we're nearly out of time,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: but some of your feedback from what I had to
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: say last night about Jerry Seinfeld and Israel. One viewer says,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: couldn't agree more with you. The blame and mistreatment of
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Jews around the world for what was completely the responsibility
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: of Hummas is disturbing, and Jim says, I'm right with you, Jerry,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: which is a good news as well. Another viewer says,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: thank you Sky for being the only ones with a
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: moral backbone, and just quickly thank you Chris for keeping
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: this atrocity in the news. Yeah, we're going to keep
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: talking about it until this situation has resolved.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I've got to go.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: There's going to be a short break, but coming up
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: after that is Caleb Bond filling in for Kredlin.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Cheers,