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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 12) (6/15/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the Sarah Helen interview with
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Congress Ms Toland, and then just to go back to
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something that you mentioned earlier. You had mentioned that mister
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Dyke helped you get an attorney at some point. Is
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that correct? Answer? Yes? Question, and I apologize if this
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is repetitive, But at what time frame was at answer?
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I believe for sure around twenty fifteen. I'm trying to
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think if it was sooner than that. I don't know
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if he had anything to do with my very first attorney,
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Bruce rein Hart, but he helped higher. I think it
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was twenty fifteen. It was Scott Link, Justin Chew, and
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a few others that I don't remember that. I think
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it may have been two different firms. Question. That's okay,
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I'd actually like to talk about Bruce Reinhart. You said
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that he was your first attorney. One was that answer
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two thousand and eight or nine? Probably question for the
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purpose of the non prosecution agreement or something separate? Answer? No,
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just to represent me in a deposition for a civil suit.
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Question okay. And did Jeffrey Epstein help Was he involved
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in that process at all? Answer? Yes, question getting the attorney?
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Answer he found them, he hired him, he paid him.
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He would have discussions with Bruce about my depositions. Question
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and what did you understand his Bruce Reinhardt's relationship to
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be with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer Bruce shared an office with
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Jeffrey's attorney, Jack Goldberger, so I felt more like he
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was working for him and not me. Question and did
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you know if mister rein Hart was still working for
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the US Attorney's Office at that time? Answer? I don't
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think I was aware that he worked for the US
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Attorney's Office until much later. Question okay, answer yeah, question
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thank you, Miss Brignac. Can you list for us the
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associates of mister Epstein that you interacted with the most
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frequently in working for mister Epstein, Miss am like other
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people that work for mister Epstein or provided services to
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mister Epstein, Yes, staff or outside people, Miss Brignac. Staff.
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The question is can you list for me the other
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associates of mister Epstein that you work with most frequently
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in your role as his assistant? Answer? All the house staff,
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the pilots, the chefs. Question is there anyone that we
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have not yet referenced today that you work with frequently
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in your position as his assistant? Answer? I mean all
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the house staff Richard Barnett, Lennon, Jojo Fontania, Jana SEUs
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banisek Luella Rabbeo, Bryce and Karen Gordon, Baldsen, Kotrin. I
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mean those would have been the ones that were around
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the longest. In the house staff, they always ended. I
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mean most of the house staff work for him for
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probably twenty years. Question were any of them aware of
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the abuse by mister Epstein's toward you? Answer? The house
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staff would have been aware when I slept in his bed.
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For sure, New York you would call me and have
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me sleep with them, because they would have to open
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the door for me when I came over at night.
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What extent they knew what was happening, I don't know,
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but they would have known that I had spent the night.
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Question can you name them? Answer Lennon, Jojo Fontania. I
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feel like the island staff would have been aware. Question
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who would that be? Answer? Miles and Kathy Alexander for
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the first few years, and then Bryce and Karen Gordon
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during the latter part question. Thank you, mister Emmer. We've
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had another member joined. Can she please introduce herself for
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the record. Miss Stansbury, good afternoon. I'm Congresswoman Stansbury, New
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Mexico's first congressional district. Thank you, mister Emmer. Miss Bobert,
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I believe you had some questions that you wanted to ask.
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Miss Bobert. Yeah, in some redacted files, you're listed as
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number five as a co conspirator. If you had immunity,
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would you be able to give information about the other
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people that are listed as co conspirators? Kellen? I don't
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know that that's a representation. Bobert. Did the DOJ ever
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interview you and tell you that you are a co conspirator? Kellen? No,
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I wasn't aware that I was being included in his
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non prosecution agreement. Bobert. How much time do we have remaining?
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Tolin five minutes? Bobert. Okay, there's an email that was
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redacted and the email is to Sarah Kay. There are
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a couple of Sarah Kays in these files that have
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been redacted. This would be from Francis Derby and this
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is you or excuse me, Sarah Kay saying that Jeffrey
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Epstein was going to start eating regular food again and
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eating less jerky. Are you familiar with this email, Miss Kellen?
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Vaguely with the subject Bobert Okay. So that said he
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has six bags of it downstairs in his freezer for
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his next trip. I know that you've answered some reference
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to these food questions. But is this one hundred percent
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undoubtedly regular normal beef jerky from an animal that people consume, Kellen,
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one hundred percent, Miss Bobert where gets cut off by Kellen?
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The chef made homemade beef jerkey for Jeffrey and he
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was obsessed with it. Bolbert. What chef was this? Kellen?
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Francis Derby was the chef Bobert Okay? And did you
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ever order specific items that were unusual? We saw that
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there was a large purchase of sulfuric acid toward the
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end of Jeffrey Epstein's stay on Little Saint James Island.
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Did you ever see such purchases made? Kellen? No, Ham,
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Do you have the time period for that, just to
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the extent it might help Bolbert, I can get that
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time period. It was much later. It was probably around
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twenty nineteen or so that that happened. Ham. Oh, she
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wasn't working, so she wouldn't know. Bolbert correct. I'm just
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asking if in your time did you see any unusual
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purchases like one hundreds of gallons of sulfuric acid being
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made Kellen, No, Bolbert, in every piece of correspondence you
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had with Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, the words you
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said were the exact words you meant, and there were
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no coding. There was no coding used whatsoever. Kellen correct. Bobert, Okay,
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that's all I have. Brignak. Is there anything that I
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have not asked you today that you believe is relevant
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to this inquiry? Kellen, I think in general that I
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would like to kind of bring awareness to and I
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said it in the beginning of just being educated on
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the grooming process. I think it's really important because I
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think there's been so much sensationalism and so many conspiracy
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theories around Jeffrey that it has become. I think the
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dangers are that people think it was such an open
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thing and there was so many things happening out in
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the open, and how did nobody know what was going on?
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But I think Jeffrey was a true master manipulator and
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he knew how to compartmentalize and what he allowed certain
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people to see and know. And I think it's because
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it wasn't so obvious that it's really important part for
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people to understand, and it's more important if you want
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to have bring awareness to this to other situations, so
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people it's like the covert nature of it, like the
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grooming and you know, the targeting of pable victims, gaining
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their trust kind of essentially trapping them. It's more of
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the psychological abuse more than anything that allows for the
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sexual abuse to happen. So I kind of think educating
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people on that is really important because a lot of
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people don't understand how it works from the outside. They
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kind of say, like, why didn't you leave, or how
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didn't you know this? Or how didn't you know that.
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It's kind of like the gas lighting and the control. Brignac,
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thank you, miss Ham. Could I just clarify one thing
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if we have time. Just mister Burlison asked you about
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meetings with Ehud Barock, and I know you mentioned New York,
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but you met with Barack in other countries as well.
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Kelln in Israel. Ham. Yeah, I just want to be
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clear that the meetings weren't just in New York, Kelln.
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We were in Israel with etwud Brock one time, Burlisten,
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and there was never times where he was briefing or
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being briefed. Did you see that, Kellen. I wouldn't have
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been present like in their private meetings. It was all
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just personal Kellen. I don't know what the subject matters were.
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They seem to meet each other quite often, but I
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don't know what the subject matter was in their discussion Brignac.
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Miss Kellen, there were instances today in which you refuse
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to answer. We understand that you're here voluntarily and we
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appreciate your testimony for the record. Would you invoke your
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Fifth Amendment rights against self incrimination in response to any
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or all of the questions if you were compelled to
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answer them in another setting, Miss Ham, I think we'd
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have to go through those questions by question, and so
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we've identified what she's able to talk about today. But
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to go through a question by question in a voluntary setting,
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in a non deposition about how she would respond, we're
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not prepared to do that. You know, as I've mentioned,
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I think the record reflects this. She's answered a lot
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of questions today and she truly is trying to be
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helpful to the committee's investigation. But we have to consider
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the impact on her, consider the impact on other victims,
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and consider you know, her legal rights and her protection,
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and so we're trying to give as much information as
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we can under those parameters. Miss Brygnac, thank you, Chairman. Comer,
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Miss Kellen, we greatly appreciate your willingness to come in today.
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I can't imagine how difficult this has been for you,
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but this has been very helpful to us, and we
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sincerely want to provide justice for the survivors, and I
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think your testimony today has been very helpful for us. So,
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just on the behalf of the Oversight Committee, I want
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to thank you for being here today. Kellen, Thank you Brignac.
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We'll go off the record now they're back on the record. Question,
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Miss Kellen, good afternoon. Answer Hi. Question. I'm going to
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start by following up on the conversation during the previous
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round about the removal of certain items from Jeffrey Epstein's properties.
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I think you spoke about this at some length. I
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don't want to make you repeat yourself, but I do
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want to make sure that we're clear on the chronology
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and the detail. So I understand from that discussion, first
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of all, that you overheard a phone call involving another
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assistant redacted. Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question? The court
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reporter needs a verbal yes answer? Oh sorry, yeah, sorry? Question?
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Thank you? And could you just recount the conversation again
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so that we're clear on the participants and the substance
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of it. Answer. Jeffrey and I were on the island
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and I heard him on the phone with redacted to
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tell her to go to the house. Question When did
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this conversation take place? Answer? Sometime in two thousand and five,
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I believe. Question And mister Epstein told redacted to go
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to the house. Sorry I interrupted you. Answer. Yeah, she
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lived in Miami. She was based in Miami with her husband,
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so she would have been near Palm Beach. So he
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told her to go to the house get the computers,
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and it was my understanding to give them to his attorney.
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Did he say which attorney? Question? Answer? I believe it
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was Roy Black, but I don't remember like he knew
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that at the time time or if I found out later.
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Question and when he said, get the computers. Did he
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mention any other type of equipment or hardware or was
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it just computers generically? Answer? I just remember computers generically.
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Question do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein had retained a
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private investigator at that point in time? Answer? I knew
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he had one. I don't know exactly when he came
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into the scene. He had a strange voice and like
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a lisp. Answer, but I think it was William Riley.
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Was his name? Was there any mention of William Riley
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during the phone conversation with redacted? Answer? I don't remember specifically.
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Question And do you have any knowledge with respect to
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where the computers ultimately ended up? Answer? I don't. Question.
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I understand that there was another conversation that took place
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in New York and this concern the removal of the
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directory that we spoke about this morning. Is that correct? Answer? Yes?
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Question And when did that conversation take place? Answer that
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was I believe it was Valentine's Day of two thousand
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and six, just because I remember he called me during
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Valentine's Day dinner with my boyfriend at the time, and
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he had me come to the house. Question and when
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you got to the house. Who was there? Answer Darren
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Endyke and other attorneys. I believe it was Gerald Leftcourt
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and potentially other attorneys. I just don't remember exactly. Question
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was mister Riley there? Answer? No, he was Florida based.
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Question And when you arrived this was at mister Epstein's
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house in New York? Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question? Okay?
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And when you arrived at this meeting? Do you recall
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what was said? Answer? He just told me what to
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go around the house and gather into the dining room downstairs.
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Question he being answered Jeffrey. Question And what did he
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tell you? Answer? He told me to grab printed photographs
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and directories, is what I remember. And it seemed that
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the attorneys were gathering everything that they were going to take.
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Question did the attorney say anything? Answer? I don't have
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a specific recollection. Question And the directories that mister Epstein
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directed you together? Are those the same directories that we
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spoke about this morning? Answer? Yes? Question and where were
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those stored? Answer? They were replaced by all the phones
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in all the houses. Question so these were hard copies? Answer? Yes.
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Question And how many of them were there? Answer many?
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They were in all the houses by all the phones.
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Question and so you gathered them up? Answer yes. Question
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did anyone else do that with you? Answer? I don't remember.
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Question And after you gathered them, what did you do
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with them? Answer? I put them on the dining room
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table on the dining room table. Question okay, and then
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what happened? Answer? I don't know. Question did anyone say
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anything about where they would ultimately be taken? Answer no,
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I just the general understanding that his lawyers would be
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taken them. I don't know where they took them or
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what they did with it. Question do you have any
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knowledge with respect to where the directories ultimately ended up?
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Answer no. Question And you mentioned mister Endyke was part
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of the group. Did he have a particular role in
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the endeavor? Answer I'm not sure. I think he was
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just Jeffrey's in house council, so he kind of had
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his hands in all things legal. Question if I could
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just turn back for a moment to the investigation in
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Florida that you were asked about in the previous round.
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Was there any point in time at which Jeffrey Epstein
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told you not to cooperate with law enforcement? Answer? No,
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question did he ever tell you what to say? To
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law enforcement. Answer no, I was never approached by law enforcement.
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Question did anyone else instruct you not to interact with
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law enforcement in the event they communicated with you? Answer
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not that I recall. Question there was mention during the
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previous round of the Florida Science Foundation, and I take
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it you're familiar with that entity. Answer yes. Question do
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you have an understanding as to when the Florida Science
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Foundation was set up? Answer? I don't know if it
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existed before his work release. Question do you have any
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understanding as to why it was set up? Answer? I
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assumed it was so we could get work release, have
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somewhere to go. Question to your knowledge, did the Florida
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Science Foundation have any genuine operations? Answer? I have no idea.
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Question did you ever hear anyone suggests that Florida Science
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Foundation was set up simply in order to give Jeffrey
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Epstein a place to do his work release? Answer that
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felt like what was happening? Question did anyone ever say that? Answer?
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I don't know if those exact words, but that's generally
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what I understood. Question do you recall any conversations about that? Answer?
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Not particularly. I just remember like being tasked with buying
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furniture and setting up the office, Miss Ham, Would you
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mind on the Palm Beach Police if you don't, if
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we could clarify something you interacted with the pom Beach
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Police before the search, weren't right You mentioned this before,
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but relating to the theft in the house, Kellen Wright
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like before he was being investigated and they came to
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put cameras in to catch the thief. Ham, But that
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was only that was the only time that you interacted.
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Question just a few follow up questions with respect to
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the birthday book that was discussed in the previous round.
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If I understood correctly, and please tell me if I
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got this wrong. You were involved in scamming images from
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the birthday book? Is that right? Answer? Yes? Question okay,
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And that was before the book was presented to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Answer before Glaine reached out to whoever she wanted to
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participate with the book, and then they would give a submission,
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and then we would scan that submission and print it
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out uniform so they were all the same size and
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on the same size of paper, and then we had
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all those papers bound into leather bound books. Question I understand,
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thank you? Do you recall the specific entry in the
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birthday Book that was provided by Donald Trump. Answer? I
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don't question. Did Donald Trump submit that entry directly to
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Glenn Maxwell? Answer most likely? Question Okay, do you recall
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any conversation about Donald Trump's contribution to the birthday book? Answer?
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I don't really remember any specific contributions to the book.
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I didn't even remember my own question by misredacted. I
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just have a few questions for you, miss Kellen. In
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the previous round, you spoke about SLK Designs employing a
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woman named or redacted? Was this the only other person
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besides you that worked at SLK Design? Answer? Yeah? Question
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and who did SLK? What were the clients of SLK Design?
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Was it just Epstein? Answer? Just Epstein? Question okay? And
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are you familiar with the name ARDA. Bescardis Answer yes?
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Question who is he? Answer? He's an immigration attorney that
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Darren Endyke introduced me to to help with the application
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redacted visa? Question? Did he work for Epstein or you aware? Answer?
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I think he had his own firm, but I know
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that I think he did a lot of work for Jeffrey.
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I remember him making when he introduced me. He said
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he would give me a good price because he had
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a lot of history with Darren, so it seems that
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they had work together in the past. Question do you
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know any of the work that they did together in
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the past. Answer? I think he helped with one of
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Jeffrey's girlfriends that I knew of. Other than that, I'm
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not entirely sure. Question when you say helped Kellen help
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with their visa? Question and do you know which girlfriend
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that was? Answer redacted? Question was this the only time
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that you interacted with Arta? Answer? Yes, question thank you
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answer during that process? Question Okay, I have a few
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questions for you about Frederick Focai. I would just like
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to get a better sense of the relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
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What was your understanding of that relationship? Answer? Jeffrey took
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me and himself in Glaine and we all went to
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Fakai salon to get get our hair done. And I
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believe that Jeffrey help broke a deal with Forkai and
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L brands Less Wexner's company. I believe they bought for
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Kai's brand. Question do you know when that deal would
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have been Answer? It was during my employment, because I
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remember his salon changed locations. It was like near the
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channel of the Chanelle building at first, and then it
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moved to Henry Bendel, which less Wexner owned. Question Okay,
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so early on in your employment or Kellen maybe within
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the first few years. Question so was your understanding of
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their relationship Epstein and Forkai a social relationship or a
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business relationship? Answer? Both would be my understanding. I do
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remember a flight that Forkai took on his plane to
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Paris one time. Question for social activities. Answer I think
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he was just catching a ride. Question do you know
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how the two of them met? Answer? I don't. Question
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it was before you met for Kai and Epstein. Answer correct.
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Question and you mentioned that you and Galaine and Epstein
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would get your hair cut there. Are you aware of
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other women that either work for Epstein or were just
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in his orbit that would also go and get their
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haircut with Forkai? Answer yes. Question were you aware of
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Epstein introducing women to Forkai? Answer for Kai introduced me
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to Epstein the first time I met him? Question okay,
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but not Epstein. Answer I don't know the other way.
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Question okay, And you mentioned Wexner, So I'd just like
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to briefly touch on you mentioned meeting him a couple
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of times. Were you ever aware of Epstein stealing money
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from Wexner? Answer? No, I only found out about that
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in the press when Wexner said it happened. Question okay,
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thank you redacted. Question you mentioned Leslie Groff previously. What
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was your relationship with her? Answer? We were co workers.
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She was like Jeffrey's executive assistant that worked in the
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office in New York. Question would you say that we
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were close? Answer? We were friendly, but nothing outside of work.
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Question when you would go to New York, where would
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you like? What space would you typically work out of? Answer?
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So the first year from me about two thousand and
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one two, I want to say twenty ten, I worked
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out of Glaine's house in New York, out of her
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townhouse on sixty fifth Street. She had an office in
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the bottom floor. And then when Jeffrey was released from
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house arrest in Palm Beach and came to New York,
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I started working out of the townhouse at seventy first Street.
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Question when ms Groff started working for mister Epstein, did
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she also work out of the townhouse? Answer? So, she
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was at the Madison office in the beginning, and then
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when Jeffrey got rid of that office. He took over
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two apartments at three oh one to eat sixty sixth Street,
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and she worked in that office, one of those offices.
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And then when Jeffrey got back to New York after
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house arrest, Leslie, when Jeffrey was in New York, she
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would work out of that house. Otherwise I think she
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stayed at home and worked out of the house if
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she wasn't in town. Question, so after his house arrest,
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the two of you would work in the same space. Answer?
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She was on the main floor and I worked on
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the fifth floor the townhouse. Question got it. What was
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your understanding of her responsibilities? Answer? She would keep track
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of his schedule. He would make all the phone calls
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through her. Typically he would just call and say, connect
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me to this person, connect me to that person. She helped,
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I believe, with the scheduling of the apartments at three
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oh one, like where the guests were, like the schedule
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of that giving massages, messages, like relaying messages from Epstein
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to various people to the staff, and that sort of thing.
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Question And did she also help with the scheduling? Sorry,
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this is different. The sixty sixth Street is that a
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different building than the one that you just mentioned the
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three oh one E sixty sixth Street. Yeah question, okay, great,
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thank you. Would she also book travel answer yes question?
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And would she also do that for his personal plane
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and also commercial travel? Answer yes question. And she would
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also schedule meetings? Is that correct? Answer? Correct question? Do
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you know whether she paid girls and women? Answer? I
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don't know. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here,
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and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off. All the information
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