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Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: That long awaited US and Israeli strike against Iran, what
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Speaker 2: it means for the people of Iran, for Israel and
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, as well as global security. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: to James Patterson, Eleka Lebon and we'll cross to Israel.
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Speaker 1: The ABC is added again.
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Speaker 2: Running lines that are anti Trump, anti Israel and anti
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Speaker 2: Australia and Australian mosque prepared to honor the late Ayatola
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Speaker 2: and what they call is martyrdom.
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Speaker 1: All that plus Caroline and Jimmy.
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Speaker 2: It's thirty years today since John Howard was elected Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: The repercussions of the war against Iran are momentous for
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Speaker 2: the Middle East and for global security. The potential benefits
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Speaker 2: for the free world are enormous, not to mentioned for
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Speaker 2: the oppressed people of the Islamic Republic of Iran, especially
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Speaker 2: the women. Let's start with the incredible military strike. Convinced
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Speaker 2: that Iran will not give up its nuclear ambitions, long
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Speaker 2: range missile program or sponsorship of terrorism, the US and
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Speaker 2: Israel were ready to act, as we've discussed here for weeks.
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Speaker 2: Then the CIA received intelligence that the Supreme Leader of Iran,
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Speaker 2: Aetola Ali Hamane, would be meeting in Tehran with his
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Speaker 2: military leadership. The US alerted Israel, and on Saturday morning,
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Speaker 2: they struck with precision in Tehran, decapitating the religious and
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Speaker 2: military leadership of the country. The US and Israel have
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Speaker 2: also been taking out military facilities and the ruthless Islamic
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Speaker 2: Revolutionary Guard Corps.
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Speaker 3: Iran's formerly supreme leader, Atol Amene is dead. This wretched
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Speaker 3: and vile man had the blood of hundreds and even
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Speaker 3: thousands of Americans on his hands and was responsible for
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Speaker 3: the slaughter of countless thousands of innocent people all across
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Speaker 3: many countries.
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Speaker 2: Iranians have had forty seven years under this Islamist regime,
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Speaker 2: where dancing is prohibited, there are nightly curfews, and women
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Speaker 2: are arrested for not wearing their veals properly. All the
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Speaker 2: while around rhetoric and terrorism has been directed at Israel.
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Speaker 2: The elimination of Israel has long been a national goal
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Speaker 2: pursued literally with religious zeal. In recent months, people protested
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Speaker 2: against their theocratic overlords and thirty thousand of them were slaughtered,
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Speaker 2: which explains why across Iran over the weekend, people cheered
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Speaker 2: foreign bombs attacking regime facilities, and then crowds flooded streets
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Speaker 2: celebrating the death of their Islamist dictator the Aetola. Although
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Speaker 2: not confirmed, it seems the US managed to hack into
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Speaker 2: Iranian television broadcasting part of President Donald Trump's speech, complete
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Speaker 2: with subtitles.
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Speaker 5: America is backing you with overwhelming strength and devastating force.
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Speaker 5: Now is the time to seize control of your destiny
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Speaker 5: and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is
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Speaker 5: close within your reach.
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Speaker 2: This is the moment for action, extraordinary stuff. The bombs
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Speaker 2: and missiles continue, and Iran has fired indiscriminately at civilian targets.
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Speaker 2: At least nine people were in Israel, and Rokison drones
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Speaker 2: hit hotels and airports in the United Arab Emirates. The
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Speaker 2: exchanges could go on for weeks, or they could end
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Speaker 2: sooner if Iranian military chiefs defect or surrender. Iran has
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Speaker 2: killed three US soldiers in Kuwait, and Donald Trump has
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Speaker 2: warned there will be more casualties. But let's unpick the
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Speaker 2: big picture in what could be a watershed for the
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Speaker 2: Middle East and global security. You see, it all stems
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Speaker 2: back to October the seventh, a fatal miscalculation by Israel's enemies.
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Speaker 2: The rationale for October the seventh, back in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: three was clear. Hummas and its supporters in Gaza wanted
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Speaker 2: to attack Israel with such ferocity and barbarity that it
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Speaker 2: would spark a war, a ground invasion in Gaza. This
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Speaker 2: invariably would lead to civilian casualties. Hummus wanted that and
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Speaker 2: made sure of that. The idea was to generate enough
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Speaker 2: outrage and animosity in the Arab world to support a
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Speaker 2: multi pronged attack on Israel, and that's what we saw.
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Speaker 2: After Hamas invaded in the south, Hesballah attacked Israel again
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Speaker 2: from the north, and the Houties fired missiles from their
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Speaker 2: Yemeny base to the east. Then, of course Iran attacked
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Speaker 2: Israel directly. There are two crucial points to understand about
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Speaker 2: this five pointed assault on Israel. First, all of the attacks,
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Speaker 2: all the terror groups are funded and largely controlled by Iran.
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Speaker 2: This was a multi pronged assault on Israel by Iran. Second,
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Speaker 2: Israel has defended all these attacks and defeated the enemies.
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Speaker 2: Humas is all but eliminated in Gaza, Hezbillah has been
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Speaker 2: decimated in Lebanon, the Hooties hit hard in Yemen, and
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Speaker 2: now Iran itself is on the brick. If Iran's evil
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Speaker 2: regime can be eliminated, then not only will its military
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Speaker 2: cease to be a threat, but its proxy terrorist armies
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Speaker 2: across the Middle East will be largely newted. This could
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Speaker 2: create a golden opportunity for security and peace in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. The Abraham Accords could be expanded so that
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Speaker 2: more Arab nations accept Israel's right to exist. One worries
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Speaker 2: the Sunni Shia divide in many ways. It's more telling
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Speaker 2: than the national borders. The last thing we want is
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Speaker 2: the Shia majority in Iraq siding with the Iranian Shia
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Speaker 2: in destabilizing the region. Already, the reaction from the Shia
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Speaker 2: minority in Pakistan has been worrying. As for Israel, despite
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Speaker 2: more than two years under constant terrorist and military attack
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Speaker 2: and years of demonization and diplomatic criticism. Well, it's now
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Speaker 2: more secure than it's been for a very long time.
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Speaker 2: Israel has been attacked on five fronts, and it's defeated
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Speaker 2: four of those enemies. The fifth is Iran, which has
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Speaker 2: been the main enemy for two decades, and it could
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Speaker 2: soon be defeated too. Israel emerges from all this vastly
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Speaker 2: more secure, perhaps than it's ever been. How's that worked
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Speaker 2: out for the so called terrorist masterminds? While all this
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Speaker 2: has played out over the past twenty eight months, Australia
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Speaker 2: could have been on the right side of history. We
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Speaker 2: could have stood by Israel as the US has done.
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Speaker 2: We could have stood by our ally the US too,
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Speaker 2: by voting with them at the United Nations and supporting
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Speaker 2: US attempts to eradicate terrorists and defeat Hummas.
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Speaker 1: But instead Albanesi has been weak.
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Speaker 2: He's abandoned Israel, he's demonised Israel, he's recognized the non
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Speaker 2: existent state of Palestine, thereby winning praise from Hummus. And
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Speaker 2: with the evil Empire of Iran about to tumble, a
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Speaker 2: regime that's had a synagogue firebomb on our shores, well,
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Speaker 2: with Iran on the brink of defeat, Albanesi was again
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Speaker 2: weak and Waffley.
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Speaker 6: I wanted to see when it comes to military action,
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Speaker 6: I think as always Australia always supports diplomatic action where possible,
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Speaker 6: and we hope that the actions that have been taken
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Speaker 6: lead to a swift resolution. And we also say that
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Speaker 6: very clearly the consequences of this, that we are concerned
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Speaker 6: about the regional escalation.
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Speaker 1: Albou Albo, Albo, it's not that hard mate.
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Speaker 2: Just support Israel, support the US and condemn the Iranian regime.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes there are good guys and bad guys. There is
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Speaker 2: good and evil. Just find the moral clarity and the
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Speaker 2: political backbone to stand up for good and to stand
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Speaker 2: against evil. But he can't do that, can he Either
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Speaker 2: because he can't work it out, which would be a worry,
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Speaker 2: or more likely Albo is wobbly on this stuff because
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Speaker 2: he's petrified about the political reaction from some elements of
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Speaker 2: the Muslim community and from hard left.
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Speaker 1: Activists, and that's even more of a worry.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Mosques in Australia planning to hold prayer ceremonies to
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Speaker 2: honor what they called the martyrdom of Ayotola Ali Haminae.
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Speaker 2: This man has been the chief funder of global terrorism
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Speaker 2: for decades. He was responsible for the murder of thousands
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Speaker 2: of innocents, including Iranians. His personal army, the IRGC, is
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Speaker 2: now a listed terror group in this country. So any
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Speaker 2: support for this man or his supporters is surely support
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Speaker 2: for a banned terror group. Let's see if Albanezi has
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Speaker 2: the spined, the spine and backbone to.
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Speaker 1: Stand up against this.
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Speaker 2: Media coverage of the Iranian strikes has been appalling.
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Speaker 1: So many journalists and commentators.
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Speaker 2: Who have ignored the slaughter of thirty thousand protesters in
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Speaker 2: Iran in recent weeks are suddenly outraged that the US
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Speaker 2: and Israel are attacking the perpetrators of that brutal repression,
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Speaker 2: and media, including our own ABC, have been quick to
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Speaker 2: accuse the US and Israel of bombing a school and
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Speaker 2: killing more than one hundred students and staff. Remember, most
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Speaker 2: of these media organizations and journalists have been willingly duped
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Speaker 2: by Hummas propaganda for years, wrongly accusing Israel of bombings
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Speaker 2: and attacks and then burying their corrections. This time they
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Speaker 2: accuse Israel and the US of bombing a girl's school.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't imagine a worse war crime here
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Speaker 2: it is from Women's Agenda. The death toll from a
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Speaker 2: US and Israeli missiles strike on a girls school in
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Speaker 2: southern Iran has risen to one hundred and sixty five,
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Speaker 2: according to Iranian authorities. According to Iranian authorities, how could
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Speaker 2: you quote a terrorist regime in the middle of a war.
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Speaker 2: But the ABC two said more than one hundred were
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Speaker 2: killed by US and Israeli air strikes on a school.
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Speaker 2: They make it sound like they targeted a school. You
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Speaker 2: might as well get your news from the anti Israel,
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Speaker 2: anti US Katari based Al Jazeera, which said the death
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Speaker 2: toll has risen from an Israeli strike that hit a school. Now,
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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, and don't be misled. Something terrible
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Speaker 2: has happened here. Make no mistake about that a school
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Speaker 2: was hit and that casualties are terrible. But whether this
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Speaker 2: was a misfired Iranian missile or a misdirected US or
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Speaker 2: Israeli attack, we just don't know yet. And quoting Iranian
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Speaker 2: sources without caution or at least some skepticism, well, that
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Speaker 2: obviously is reckless. And to suggest it's a strike at
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Speaker 2: a school is just sick because if indeed this turns
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Speaker 2: out to be a US or Israeli missile, we know
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Speaker 2: it won't have been deliberate. It could be a tragic
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Speaker 2: accident in war. There are Iranian military installations nearby. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: It's clear the anti Israel and anti US coverage that
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Speaker 2: we've seen for more than two years over Gaza is
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Speaker 2: already being fired up in this conflict. And your taxes
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Speaker 2: are funding biased ranting at the ABC, attacking Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: attacking Israel and even attacking the LIMP support they've received
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Speaker 2: from alban.
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Speaker 7: Easy when they put out Australia puts out a statement
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Speaker 7: like this and doesn't even say we support the war.
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Speaker 7: I think the Australian public are entitled to say, who's
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Speaker 7: writing all this stuff?
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Speaker 8: So what do you think is behind it? What do
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Speaker 8: you think is this in an agenda?
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Speaker 7: I think the real agenda here is for long time,
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Speaker 7: Benjamin Ettejoho in Israel have wanted regime change in Iran.
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Speaker 1: They've made no secret of that, and I think that they.
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Speaker 7: Have convinced Donald Trump to come along for this. Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump thinks it's fairly low risk politically for him.
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Speaker 1: Iran has not.
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Speaker 7: Been top of his agenda by any mean, I think
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Speaker 7: it's been driven by Israel to change the regime in Iran.
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Speaker 2: What biased, disingenuous tosh. Of course, Israel wants rid of
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Speaker 2: the evil regime in Tehran. What sane, civilized person wouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Here's what Iran's been saying about Israel for decades.
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Speaker 9: Death to America, death to Great Britain, death to Israel,
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Speaker 9: death to the hypocrites, the hypocrites meaning the met And
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Speaker 9: finally that's to Israel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why would Israel in the US want
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Speaker 2: to get rid of that regime? And Lyons knows also
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Speaker 2: that thirty thous and Iranians have been killed in recent
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Speaker 2: weeks for protesting against the regime. He knows also that
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Speaker 2: the proxies he's talked about are terrorist armies funded and
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Speaker 2: controlled by Iran that murder people and destabilize the region.
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Speaker 2: And he also knows Iran has committed to rebuilding its
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Speaker 2: nuclear program, refusing to disavowl it after months of negotiations.
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Speaker 2: Lions knows all this, but ignores it to run at
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Speaker 2: your expense a misleading undergraduate anti US, anti Israel, anti
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Speaker 2: Western civilization line that would be popular at a university.
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Speaker 2: Pro Palestinian rally.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of.
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Speaker 7: Untrue statements and narratives being told.
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Speaker 10: At the moment, they're almost making that case for war.
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Speaker 7: After that's strike, they're all in mind unison now, I
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Speaker 7: mean Anti Albanesi's statement could have been written the United
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Speaker 7: States and Israel.
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Speaker 1: It is straight out of their playbook.
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Speaker 2: And Lions rants could have been written by the Aetola himself.
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Speaker 2: Most of us surely would want the US and Israel
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Speaker 2: and Australia standing together. Western liberal democracies should stand together
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Speaker 2: against terrorism, against proxy armies, against the repression of women
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Speaker 2: and the slaughter of protesters, and they should work together
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Speaker 2: to prevent rogue states getting nuclear weapons and long range missiles.
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Speaker 2: This can keep us safe and lunatic ranting like we
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Speaker 2: get from Lions does not belong on publicly funded media.
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Speaker 11: The group Stand for Palestine OZ on its Instagram page
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Speaker 11: has actually reposted these comments. So I didn't mean to
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Speaker 11: play that of John Lyons. And of course there is
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Speaker 11: some suggestion that this group is a front for Hitzbati here,
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Speaker 11: so I am really concerned about the tenor of this commentary,
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Speaker 11: and I would call on hu Marx as the editor
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Speaker 11: and chief to shut down this sort of commentary and
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Speaker 11: just stick with the facts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lions and plenty of others at the ABC are
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Speaker 2: a disgrace.
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Speaker 1: They show no moral integrity.
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Speaker 2: The ABC needs to remember it is funded by taxpayers
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Speaker 2: who in the main support liberal democracy and oppose terrorist regimes.
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Speaker 2: This isn't a political position. This is kind of central
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Speaker 2: to our national values. Let's head straight down to Canberra
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Speaker 2: then and catch up with Shadow Defense Minister Senator James Patterson.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, James.
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Speaker 2: Look, Anthony ALBERNIZI has kind of supported the Israelian US
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Speaker 2: action again, Iran, has he been strong enough in supporting
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Speaker 2: this action?
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Speaker 9: Well, because I think it's a good thing and appropriate
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Speaker 9: thing that the Australian government is supportive of this action.
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Speaker 9: But like you, I've noticed there's some weasel words and
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Speaker 9: careful language in the Prime Minister statements about this. For example,
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Speaker 9: he said he welcomes the United States action in this.
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Speaker 9: Of course, it's a joint operation between Israel and the
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Speaker 9: United States. It would not have happened if it wasn't
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Speaker 9: a joint operation between Israel and the United States. And
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Speaker 9: we should state that we're supportive of both what Israel
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Speaker 9: and the United States are doing. Here in Iran, because
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Speaker 9: otherwise it wouldn't have proceeded. The Prime Ministers also said
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Speaker 9: that he doesn't mourn and no one would mourn the
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Speaker 9: departure of the Alatai hominy. But actually, shouldn't we just
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Speaker 9: be saying it's a good thing that the Aatollah has
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Speaker 9: been removed from power as a result of this joint
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Speaker 9: action by the United States and Israel. So do give
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Speaker 9: the credit to the government for welcoming this action. But
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Speaker 9: of course I think he has one eye on domestic
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Speaker 9: politics and his left wing base, and he's conscious of
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Speaker 9: not being too overt in his welcoming of this action.
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Speaker 2: Now there's no doubt about this, and nobody wants war,
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Speaker 2: and lives have been.
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Speaker 1: Lost and will be lost.
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Speaker 2: But we can just see from the response of Iran
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Speaker 2: what sort of a regime it is, because it's attacking
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Speaker 2: civilian targets in states like the United Arab Emirates which
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Speaker 2: are not directly involved, so it's trying to spread the terror,
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Speaker 2: if you like. And the other point here is we've
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Speaker 2: got to talk about what the benefits of this action,
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Speaker 2: the benefits for Middle East peace and eliminating the spread
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Speaker 2: of global terrorism, as well as the threat of nuclear
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Speaker 2: weapons and long range missiles is huge, isn't it, Chris.
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Speaker 9: When people show you who they are, you should believe
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Speaker 9: them the first time. And the Uranian regime has shown
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Speaker 9: us who they are in their slaughter of their own citizens,
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Speaker 9: in their sponsorship of terrorism around the Middle East, in
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Speaker 9: their world, in their sponsorship of state sponsored terror in
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Speaker 9: our country in Australia, and now, of course, as you say,
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Speaker 9: with this indiscriminate rocket fire targeting neighbors who are not
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Speaker 9: parties to the conflict, and targeting civilian assets and infrastructure
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Speaker 9: including hotels, airports, roads and other significant features of the
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Speaker 9: United Arab Emirates and Qatar and others. So it's very
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Speaker 9: clear the nature of this regime, and it's very clear
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Speaker 9: that the world would be a better place if this
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Speaker 9: regime was no longer in power. Certainly it would be
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Speaker 9: better for Iranians. And if we're in any doubt about
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Speaker 9: where we should stand on this, just look at the
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Speaker 9: joy with which the Iranian diasper in Australia and the
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Speaker 9: rest of the world have welcomed these attacks and welcomed
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Speaker 9: the Aatolas removal from power.
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Speaker 2: Well, one aspect of this that you've campaigned for over
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Speaker 2: a long period of time, and the government finally acted
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Speaker 2: on last year was the listing of the Islamic Revolutionary
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Speaker 2: Guards CORE as a terror group in Australia. Now this
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Speaker 2: is effectively the Aatola's key military wing, the aa Toler's
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Speaker 2: private army, the Late Aatoler.
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Speaker 8: That is.
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Speaker 2: Yet we read that Australian mosques in coming days are
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Speaker 2: proposing the whole prayer services for the Ayatola for the
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Speaker 2: martyrdom of the Aotola. Could these prayer services be in
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Speaker 2: breach of that listing of the IRGC.
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Speaker 9: It is possible. Chris, Yes, it's deeply disturbing, whether it's
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Speaker 9: a violation of the law or not, that anyone in
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Speaker 9: Australia thinks it's a good idea to hold a celebration
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Speaker 9: of the life of the Aetola after everything he has
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Speaker 9: done to our country, the Middle East and Iranians. But
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Speaker 9: it may also be a breach of the law because
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Speaker 9: it is an offense to glorify terrorism. It is an
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Speaker 9: offense to praise a terrorist organization in a way that
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Speaker 9: incites others act to take out an active terrorism and
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Speaker 9: of course it's also an offense to display a symbol
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Speaker 9: or logo of a listed terrorist organization. Now, as you say,
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Speaker 9: as a result of coalition campaigning, the IRGC, which the
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Speaker 9: Aetola is the head, is now listed as a terrorist
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Speaker 9: organization in this country. So I hope the federal police
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Speaker 9: are now investigating these mosques and anyone associated with these
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Speaker 9: activities for breaches of the lad law.
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Speaker 2: I just want to share with you some of the
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Speaker 2: commentary we've had from the taxpayer funded media in this country,
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Speaker 2: the ABC and their America's editor, John Lyons, have a
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Speaker 2: look at this.
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Speaker 1: My main impression is that this is being driven by Israel.
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Speaker 7: And what we just heard was the President of the
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Speaker 7: United States, in my assessment, almost saying word for word
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Speaker 7: Israel's agenda.
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Speaker 2: So it's all about the evil agenda supposedly of Israel,
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Speaker 2: as if Israel doesn't have a right to have an.
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Speaker 1: Agenda to defend itself.
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Speaker 2: But is this sort of commentary from the ABC what
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Speaker 2: taxpayers should expect.
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Speaker 9: Those comments by John Lyons are reckless and irresponsible given
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Speaker 9: the climate of antisemitism we've seen in our countries since
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Speaker 9: October seven. One of the tropes, one of the anti
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Speaker 9: Semitic conspiracy theories about the Jewish community and israel Is
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Speaker 9: that they secretly control foreign governments, including US government. Now,
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Speaker 9: it is ludicrous to suggest that President Trump is controlled
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Speaker 9: by anyone other than himself, that is not making decisions
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Speaker 9: in what he believes is the US national interest and
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Speaker 9: consistent with US values. So for John Lyons to suggest
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Speaker 9: that is outrageous. He should have apologized. The ABC should
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Speaker 9: haul him in if he will not apologize. Equally inappropriate
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Speaker 9: was his comments about our Prime minister, suggesting that the
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Speaker 9: statement from the Australian government reflected quote political propaganda. Now,
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Speaker 9: I am no defender of Anthony Alberanzi, but in this instance,
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Speaker 9: all he was doing was stating the obvious and appropriate
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Speaker 9: Australian government position, which is we are in favor of
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Speaker 9: degrading the nuclear and ballistic arms capability of a terror
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Speaker 9: state like Iran. And to suggest that that political propaganda
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Speaker 9: is again completely unhinged, John Lyones really needs to be
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Speaker 9: brought back to hell.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just beyond the payo.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to question time today in the
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Speaker 2: Lower House and Anthony Albanesi was questioned on the return
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Speaker 2: of Islamic state families to Australia whether his government had
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Speaker 2: provided any assistance.
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Speaker 12: Part of his response, we are not repatriating these people.
25:05
Speaker 1: We have made it clear a non.
25:07
Speaker 12: Government organization took us to court demanding that we do
25:12
Speaker 12: that when we oppose that court action. We won the
25:15
Speaker 12: court decision, and those opposite know that this is the case.
25:20
Speaker 12: Their hypocrisy on this is extraordinary given that forty people
25:24
Speaker 12: came home on their watch, including including not partners or relatives,
25:31
Speaker 12: including ISIS fighters.
25:34
Speaker 1: Is he right, James Patterson?
25:35
Speaker 2: And that this government is doing nothing that previous coalition
25:38
Speaker 2: governments haven't done.
25:41
Speaker 1: Well.
25:41
Speaker 9: Previous coalition governments use the powers available to them to
25:44
Speaker 9: firstly take out a temporary exclusion orders to keep people offshore.
25:48
Speaker 9: We did so on eight occasions. This government's only done
25:51
Speaker 9: so on one occasion. And previous coalition governments refused and
25:55
Speaker 9: canceled hundreds of passports to suspected ISIS fighters and supporters
26:01
Speaker 9: to either prevent them from leaving our country joining Islamic
26:04
Speaker 9: State or to prevent them from returning to Australia after
26:07
Speaker 9: they left to join Islamic State. This government has failed
26:10
Speaker 9: to do so. In fact, they've been telling us that
26:13
Speaker 9: they have no power to do so. When Section fifteen
26:16
Speaker 9: of the two thousand and five Australian Passports Act is
26:18
Speaker 9: clear the government can and in our of you should,
26:22
Speaker 9: refuse and cancel passports for anyone who represents a security
26:25
Speaker 9: threat to Australia as an ISIS supporter.
26:27
Speaker 1: Clearly does James Patterson, thanks so much for joining us.
26:32
Speaker 1: Thanks Chris.
26:34
Speaker 2: Let's now get an Iranian Australian perspective on the weekend's events.
26:38
Speaker 2: And I'm joined on the desk by doctor Saba Vsefi,
26:41
Speaker 2: who's an Iranian Australian academic with the Sydney University. Good
26:44
Speaker 2: to speak to you again, Saba. We're going to talk
26:46
Speaker 2: to you about some of these issues anyway. But it
26:49
Speaker 2: turns out that over the weekend it looks like the
26:52
Speaker 2: regime is close to falling.
26:54
Speaker 1: Certainly the Ayah Toola is dead.
26:56
Speaker 13: What's your reaction when I was elated like million Iranians
27:01
Speaker 13: and to see chief sponsor of terror is eliminated. And
27:08
Speaker 13: I think when a serial killer cannot be restrained, I
27:14
Speaker 13: think elimination is one element that we can prevent further
27:22
Speaker 13: murder and killing, like what the Australian police did in
27:25
Speaker 13: Bondai Beach when they killed the terrorists. So I celebrated,
27:30
Speaker 13: and I think this is a legitimate right for Iranians
27:35
Speaker 13: who have been persecuted for over decades to celebrate the
27:39
Speaker 13: butcher of Iranians. And something which is critical in the
27:47
Speaker 13: vest that is more and more become visible these days
27:51
Speaker 13: is there are some groups and entities that they are
27:57
Speaker 13: using strategies like what the regime was using in order
28:01
Speaker 13: to silence to silent Iranians. Sometimes they use their stigma
28:08
Speaker 13: of Islamophobia to Iranians in order to silence them. While
28:16
Speaker 13: Iran is very diverse country with different religious different belief
28:23
Speaker 13: and I think they brush the reality under the carpet
28:27
Speaker 13: and sometimes they are pasteurizing the reality rather than calling
28:31
Speaker 13: the real name. What is happening in Iran is the
28:36
Speaker 13: impact and consequence of radical Islamist Islamism and fundamentalism, and
28:42
Speaker 13: fundamentalism in any foreman shape is destructive and dangerous.
28:47
Speaker 2: You live in fear of the Iranian regime here in Australia.
28:51
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into too much detail, but
28:53
Speaker 2: I know that our security agencies.
28:55
Speaker 1: Help you protect yourself here.
28:58
Speaker 2: Do you hope that in coming days and weeks that
29:02
Speaker 2: load will be lifted from your shoulders?
29:05
Speaker 13: I think despite the cuture of Iranians or is eliminated. However,
29:13
Speaker 13: IRGC is out there. We need global solidarity to decapitate them.
29:20
Speaker 13: And I think, for example, Australia has had the opportunity
29:24
Speaker 13: as your assessment showed that the IRGC and Iranian ambassador
29:31
Speaker 13: in Australia had some kind of involvement in terrorist attack
29:35
Speaker 13: and Australian domestic law had that sort of opportunity to
29:40
Speaker 13: prosecute them.
29:41
Speaker 1: They there's been no prosecution, prosecution.
29:44
Speaker 13: Now they can, they have the ability to call their
29:48
Speaker 13: allies to demand the release of all the prisoner they.
29:52
Speaker 1: How to go to that.
29:53
Speaker 2: We haven't got much time, but one of the cases
29:56
Speaker 2: we were going to talk to you about today, before
29:58
Speaker 2: we knew that war would break out on the weekend.
30:01
Speaker 9: With some of the.
30:01
Speaker 2: Protesters in jail in around now facing what you say
30:05
Speaker 2: are trumped up charges possible death penalties, you must be
30:09
Speaker 2: hoping now that if the regime could fall in coming days,
30:13
Speaker 2: those people will be set free and not have to
30:15
Speaker 2: face that kangaroo court.
30:18
Speaker 13: Yeah, but as I said, still there are funded, IOGC
30:23
Speaker 13: is funded and the regime is armed, so we need
30:27
Speaker 13: to decapitate that IO.
30:29
Speaker 1: You think it will fall in.
30:30
Speaker 2: You say you're not very optimistic about the regime falling
30:34
Speaker 2: in coming days.
30:35
Speaker 1: Some people tell us that it's a fad of complete.
30:38
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a process. I don't think so. It happened abruptly.
30:43
Speaker 13: We need more work and we need global solidarity to
30:47
Speaker 13: demand that sort of decapitation of IOGC. Yeah, and this
30:52
Speaker 13: is not the solution that these groups, and these groups
30:56
Speaker 13: in the vest I think they are trying to exploited
31:00
Speaker 13: the Iranian Iranian struggle for their ideological and political advantages
31:06
Speaker 13: in order to rather than speaking up about the extremination
31:11
Speaker 13: of over thirty thousand innocent, unarmed people, including children. And
31:19
Speaker 13: the fact is at the moment there are children on
31:22
Speaker 13: this throw as a result of their contribution to the protest.
31:27
Speaker 1: But according to.
31:28
Speaker 2: The death Row now maybe hearing the bombs coming down
31:31
Speaker 2: and hoping that it could signal freedom for them soon.
31:34
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have to leave it there. Sorry.
31:37
Speaker 2: Well, I'll try and have you back in coming days
31:39
Speaker 2: as we see events unfold.
31:40
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
31:41
Speaker 2: Saber Vasefi there from Sydney University. We'll try and catch
31:44
Speaker 2: up with her again later in the week. We're going
31:46
Speaker 2: to get to Israel after this break and get the
31:48
Speaker 2: latest from there.
31:49
Speaker 1: Don't go away.
31:56
Speaker 2: Let's cross the Israel now and catch up again with
31:58
Speaker 2: Gerald Steinberg, Professor of politics at bar Ilan University.
32:02
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Gerald.
32:04
Speaker 2: We've been talking about the threat of Iran for so long.
32:07
Speaker 2: Nine people killed in Israel yesterday your time. That's a
32:11
Speaker 2: heavy toll. What is the feeling in Israel at the moment?
32:15
Speaker 2: Is this, in a sense the war that it's been
32:19
Speaker 2: waiting for, attacking the central threat in the region, which
32:23
Speaker 2: has been skirted around for so long.
32:27
Speaker 14: This has been now we've been at war consistently since
32:30
Speaker 14: October seventh with the massacres that came from Gaza, from Kamas,
32:34
Speaker 14: but it was Iran that was behind it. Iran was
32:36
Speaker 14: braining the weapons, the training, a lot of the propaganda
32:38
Speaker 14: that was behind that. And then we Hadribala in Lebanon.
32:42
Speaker 14: We reached a ceasefire with them about over a year ago,
32:46
Speaker 14: but they still had many of the weapons, and of
32:48
Speaker 14: course we had these great international pledges of s Lebanese government.
32:52
Speaker 14: They would just arm Rizbala and Iran as the master
32:56
Speaker 14: puppet or the puppet master rather of this entire process Iran,
33:00
Speaker 14: we had a twelve day war with them, but again
33:02
Speaker 14: it seas fire before the job was done. So I
33:04
Speaker 14: think almost all Israelis knew that this was going to
33:07
Speaker 14: be a second round. It was then worked together with
33:10
Speaker 14: the United States. That's something that's unique. We've never seen
33:13
Speaker 14: that that type of cooperation before. And this hopefully will
33:17
Speaker 14: be the final round in terms of disarming the Iranian
33:21
Speaker 14: the entire Uranian machine that has been pledged not only
33:25
Speaker 14: to destroy Israel but also against the Great State in
33:27
Speaker 14: the United States and all Western Democratic countries. Yes, he's
33:31
Speaker 14: really publics been waiting.
33:32
Speaker 2: For Ivan, not the id IF recommenced actions in southern
33:37
Speaker 2: Lebanon against his Palla, trying to take out those remaining weapons,
33:40
Speaker 2: of course, but let's turn out attention back to Iran itself.
33:44
Speaker 2: Here's something of what the President Donald Trump said yesterday.
33:48
Speaker 3: Last night, all over Iran, the voices of the Iranian
33:53
Speaker 3: people could be heard cheering and celebrating in the streets
33:57
Speaker 3: when his death was announced. The entire military command is
34:03
Speaker 3: gone as well, and many of them want to surrender
34:07
Speaker 3: into saving their lives. They want immunity.
34:11
Speaker 5: They're calling by the thousands.
34:14
Speaker 1: Yes, this would be the great hype of the US.
34:17
Speaker 2: Is there any evidence, Professor, to suggest that Iranian military
34:22
Speaker 2: are defecting, that, in effect, the regime could collapse.
34:27
Speaker 14: The second part is easier. It's possible if the regime
34:29
Speaker 14: could collapse, there would be some sort of a takeover.
34:33
Speaker 14: We don't know from where. It might be people in
34:35
Speaker 14: the military that understand that Iran is being devastated every day.
34:39
Speaker 14: As far as large numbers of people asking for all
34:43
Speaker 14: for be able to surrender and get some sort of
34:48
Speaker 14: support to the United States, I think that there may
34:50
Speaker 14: be few of those. There's no external evidence Iran, the
34:53
Speaker 14: Iranian capabilities of the regime is still firing deadly weapons
34:57
Speaker 14: against Israel. You mentioned we have a deadly attack yesterday.
35:01
Speaker 14: At least nine people were killed. There were attacks again
35:04
Speaker 14: this morning, not long ago. They're using cluster munitions in
35:07
Speaker 14: their missiles. It's very likely that these were all prepared
35:10
Speaker 14: before the death of Kamini, before the attacks that began
35:15
Speaker 14: on Saturday morning local time. But they are still ongoing.
35:19
Speaker 14: Those have to be stopped, those have to be disarmed
35:22
Speaker 14: those weapons. That's going to be a long process. It's
35:24
Speaker 14: not a complicated process. We don't know what type of
35:27
Speaker 14: government may take over and that's the key issue. Is
35:30
Speaker 14: there going to be a successor government that's not going
35:32
Speaker 14: to call itself the Islamic Republic and try to impose
35:36
Speaker 14: its version of terror across the world.
35:39
Speaker 1: That is the key questioning To take down these weapons,
35:41
Speaker 1: that is the key question. Day. Thanks for joining us again, Jared.
35:44
Speaker 2: I appreciate Professor Gerald Steinberg there from the Bailin University.
35:48
Speaker 1: We're got to get to a break.
35:49
Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we're catching up with
35:51
Speaker 2: British Iritian attorney and advocate Eleka lebon to find out
35:55
Speaker 2: how the news has been received in the un US.
36:06
Speaker 2: The Iranian diaspora has been crucial in raising awareness about
36:10
Speaker 2: what's going on in their home country. One prominent member
36:13
Speaker 2: is Eleka lebon Us, attorney and advocate who we've caught
36:18
Speaker 2: up with before. I spoke to her in Elai today
36:21
Speaker 2: and asked her about her reaction to the weekends military
36:24
Speaker 2: action and the killing of the Supreme Leader.
36:28
Speaker 10: I mean, it's still surreal. It's still hard to, you know,
36:31
Speaker 10: metabolize everything that's gone on the extent of it, especially
36:34
Speaker 10: while it's still in the process of happening. You know,
36:36
Speaker 10: we heard about the news of the elimination of the
36:39
Speaker 10: top IRGC officials, of the Supreme Leader, basically the slow
36:43
Speaker 10: dismantling of the apparatus that has been oppressing the Iranian
36:47
Speaker 10: people for the past forty seven years. I think we
36:50
Speaker 10: can firmly say, from myself and everybody else that I've
36:53
Speaker 10: spoken to, that this is by far the most hopeful
36:55
Speaker 10: that we've ever been. And I think this at this point,
36:58
Speaker 10: we aren't just treating this as optim anymore. We aren't
37:01
Speaker 10: just treating this as you know, fingers crossed. Hopefully one day.
37:04
Speaker 10: I think we are in the home stretch of the
37:06
Speaker 10: final destruction and dismantling of the IRGC. So that's pretty
37:11
Speaker 10: much where most of us are. We just have to
37:14
Speaker 10: wait for this to unfold and hope that it, you know,
37:17
Speaker 10: this war ends as quickly and swiftly and safely as possible.
37:21
Speaker 2: Well, the military strikes from the US and Israel are continuing,
37:25
Speaker 2: but it's very clear that the US president wants to
37:28
Speaker 2: see regime change and he's calling on the Iranian people.
37:32
Speaker 1: To deliver that.
37:33
Speaker 2: In fact, the US managed to hack into Iranian television
37:37
Speaker 2: so that some of the President's broadcast was broadcast in
37:42
Speaker 2: Iran with subtitles have a look.
37:45
Speaker 5: America is backing you with overwhelming strength and devastating for us.
37:50
Speaker 5: Now is the time to seize control of your destiny
37:53
Speaker 5: and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is
37:57
Speaker 5: close within your reach for action.
38:02
Speaker 2: It's incredible to think, Eleka, that millions of Iranians may
38:05
Speaker 2: have seen that.
38:06
Speaker 1: But we've seen many people out on the streets in Iran.
38:09
Speaker 2: What do you expect these happening and will happen in
38:12
Speaker 2: coming days?
38:14
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think people will absolutely be heeding
38:16
Speaker 10: that message from President Trump. They did so the first
38:19
Speaker 10: time when he said, you know, go out into the streets,
38:21
Speaker 10: take over your institutions. They listened, they went out, And
38:25
Speaker 10: now I think there is a definite, acute awareness of
38:28
Speaker 10: the fact that this really is a time like no other.
38:30
Speaker 10: President Trump did say this in his speech. He said
38:33
Speaker 10: this is the I didn't say this is the last time,
38:35
Speaker 10: but he said, this is the best chance that you
38:37
Speaker 10: are ever going to get to free yourselves from this regime.
38:40
Speaker 10: And it's a small window in time. If we miss it,
38:43
Speaker 10: it's gone. I think the Iranian people are absolutely aware
38:46
Speaker 10: of that fact, and I think that they feel the
38:48
Speaker 10: responsibility and power of that fact. And I think as
38:52
Speaker 10: these strikes continue, and as this regime gets weaker, and
38:55
Speaker 10: as the forces, the ILGC forces begin to defect to
39:00
Speaker 10: the other side, you're going to see the people coming
39:02
Speaker 10: out into the streets. And not only will they be
39:04
Speaker 10: coming out into the streets, they will be now be armed.
39:07
Speaker 10: They will now be protected with the forces that are
39:09
Speaker 10: now walking alongside them. And if you remember in nineteen
39:13
Speaker 10: seventy nine, that was the same method that that revolution,
39:17
Speaker 10: or shall we say a coup was succeeded. There was
39:20
Speaker 10: a defection. The army did walk alongside the Iranian people,
39:24
Speaker 10: and that brought them to that regime change.
39:27
Speaker 1: At the time, it's hard to.
39:29
Speaker 2: Know exactly what is going on in the streets and
39:31
Speaker 2: what information is verified and what is not, But there
39:34
Speaker 2: are certainly reports that IRGC troops have been firing on
39:38
Speaker 2: some of the crowds celebrating.
39:41
Speaker 1: What are you hearing from your contacts in Iran?
39:44
Speaker 2: And do you think that the protest will be strong
39:47
Speaker 2: enough to overwhelm that sort of those sort of efforts
39:51
Speaker 2: by the remnants of the regime to maintain control.
39:55
Speaker 10: Yeah, I do, because I think at the stage where
39:57
Speaker 10: the regime is at its weakness, it isn't going to
39:59
Speaker 10: have the apparatus and methodology that it had to crush
40:02
Speaker 10: the protesters as it did in January. You know, it's
40:06
Speaker 10: important to understand that before this war broke out over
40:10
Speaker 10: the weekend, there's been a long strategy within the IRGC's
40:14
Speaker 10: ranks of what would happen if the war inevitably broke out.
40:17
Speaker 10: There were conversations pertaining to the propaganda warfare. In terms
40:22
Speaker 10: of Western media, it was long discussed that as soon
40:25
Speaker 10: as there were any strikes they were going to After
40:30
Speaker 10: the protesters were killed in January, family members told us
40:33
Speaker 10: that they retained the bodies, and they didn't return those bodies.
40:36
Speaker 10: They retained them so that they could repurpose them in
40:39
Speaker 10: the event of a war and claim those victims as
40:42
Speaker 10: casualties of US and Israeli strikes. So this has been
40:46
Speaker 10: a long, long standing pattern. If they are shooting protesters now,
40:51
Speaker 10: just as they shot protesters in the past, those corpses
40:55
Speaker 10: in a very chilling and dystopian way, will be used
40:59
Speaker 10: as proof of casualties of Israel and the US. And unfortunately,
41:03
Speaker 10: we have seen just how quickly Western media regurgitates the
41:07
Speaker 10: Islamis propaganda as fact. Just today, it has been regurgitating
41:13
Speaker 10: the regime statement that the US Israeli forces struck a
41:17
Speaker 10: school in Iran. Now, although we don't yet know whether
41:21
Speaker 10: that was an IRGC missile or a US Israeli missile,
41:25
Speaker 10: we have a strong suspicion that it was in fact
41:28
Speaker 10: an IRGC missile. Why because it's sloppy, it's messy, it's careless,
41:31
Speaker 10: it's indiscriminate. We know that the US and Israel are
41:35
Speaker 10: extremely surgical, are extremely precise, and this is a deja
41:39
Speaker 10: vus of when her Maas's rocket backfired onto the hospital
41:43
Speaker 10: and the Western media immediately said that this was an
41:46
Speaker 10: Israeli strike. So in the coming days, we're also going
41:48
Speaker 10: to need to keep a keen eye on Western media
41:53
Speaker 10: regurgitating this regime's propaganda, and it needs to be taken
41:56
Speaker 10: as seriously as North Korea and as nineteen eighty four.
42:00
Speaker 2: You are right, you are so right, and those examples
42:03
Speaker 2: are spot on, and I've had a bit to say
42:05
Speaker 2: about that at the top of the program. Just in closing, ELK,
42:08
Speaker 2: I want to talk about regime change and whether it
42:12
Speaker 2: can be successful, and whether Iran can be run successfully again.
42:16
Speaker 2: People have seen this sort of thing happened in the
42:18
Speaker 2: past and go to custard to use an expression. But
42:22
Speaker 2: Iran is a highly sophisticated country with a highly educated population.
42:27
Speaker 2: I've been to Tehran, I've seen this myself, so there
42:30
Speaker 2: must be a lot of optimism about how a new
42:32
Speaker 2: regime can be put in place. And I want to
42:34
Speaker 2: get your thoughts also on the role of the diaspora
42:38
Speaker 2: in that Iranians like yourselves, with expertise and money around
42:42
Speaker 2: the globe would be looking to play a role presumably.
42:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
42:46
Speaker 10: I mean, not only is it a sophisticated and educated
42:49
Speaker 10: population with an iiron itself, but you have to remember
42:52
Speaker 10: it's also a highly politically mobilized population. That is the
42:57
Speaker 10: difference between Iran and Iraq, whos saying actually made it
43:01
Speaker 10: impossible for them to be politically mobilized at the time.
43:04
Speaker 10: But anyway, the point is they are mobilized, and we
43:07
Speaker 10: have a transitional leader who is the Crown Prince where Azapahlavi,
43:11
Speaker 10: and as we've seen the people in Iran overwhelmingly calling
43:14
Speaker 10: his name to invite him in as that transitional leader,
43:17
Speaker 10: and then when he comes in, that will be the
43:20
Speaker 10: time where you know, the constitution will be written, the
43:22
Speaker 10: constitution will be ratified, It will detail will outline if
43:27
Speaker 10: the people choose a constitutional monarchy, what will be the
43:30
Speaker 10: limitations and the constraints of that monarchy, or will they
43:33
Speaker 10: choose a liberal democracy with no monarch at all. The
43:37
Speaker 10: point is that the Crown Prince is ready with a
43:40
Speaker 10: plan that will institute democracy, and at that point it
43:44
Speaker 10: will be exactly what we've been calling for this entire time.
43:47
Speaker 10: The people themselves will be able to vote their leaders
43:51
Speaker 10: in power and those leaders. You know, we from the
43:54
Speaker 10: diaspora can't say what that will look like because we,
43:57
Speaker 10: unfortunately haven't been able to be privy to exactly the
44:00
Speaker 10: sentiments of the Iranian population who have been living in
44:04
Speaker 10: extreme suppression for the past forty seven years. So once
44:07
Speaker 10: this transitional leader, the Crown Prince gets to Iran and
44:10
Speaker 10: institutes this apparatus of a transitional facilitates the transitional transition
44:18
Speaker 10: into liberal democracy. That is when we are going to
44:21
Speaker 10: discover for the first time who it is that the
44:24
Speaker 10: Iranian people choose to represent for them, whether it's the
44:27
Speaker 10: Crown Prince as a constitutional monarch or a liberal secular
44:31
Speaker 10: democracy with some type of prime minister at the head
44:35
Speaker 10: of it.
44:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michaelabon, thanks so much for talking to us at
44:38
Speaker 2: this tumultuous time.
44:40
Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
44:42
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to get to a break.
44:44
Speaker 2: On the other side, Carolinda or So and Jim Aton Yini,
44:46
Speaker 2: we'll talk about a few things.
44:48
Speaker 1: But it's thirty years today since John Howard was elected.
44:57
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Jim and Toon Yini from GT Communications
44:59
Speaker 2: on desk here with me as ever light weekend UET
45:03
Speaker 2: weekend Caroline, who also joins us, per very quickly your
45:06
Speaker 2: thoughts on what we've seen transpire over the weekend.
45:09
Speaker 8: I have hope for the Iranian people. I am so
45:11
Speaker 8: dismayed that there's still a cohort mainly on the political
45:14
Speaker 8: left here in Australia and elsewhere, who are so full
45:18
Speaker 8: of hatred for the liberators that they would deny liberation
45:21
Speaker 8: to millions and millions of people. You can't have freedom
45:24
Speaker 8: because I don't like the people who are free.
45:26
Speaker 2: They don't like Donald Trump or Benjamin Netanyahu. So therefore
45:29
Speaker 2: people should live under the yoke of this ISLAMUS regime.
45:32
Speaker 2: Women in particular, it's just extraordinary.
45:34
Speaker 8: I could go on, but I won't because we are
45:35
Speaker 8: short of time.
45:37
Speaker 2: To you, Caroline, we can show you some pictures here
45:39
Speaker 2: of a US fighter jet that's come down off Kuwait.
45:43
Speaker 2: We don't know much detail about it, but you can
45:45
Speaker 2: see here where the pilot ejects it perhaps has taken
45:49
Speaker 2: a hit from missiles in the area.
45:51
Speaker 1: But Caroline, that just reminds us that this was it's
45:55
Speaker 1: not over in a flash. In fact, Donald Trump's talked
45:57
Speaker 1: about this going on for up to four weeks.
46:01
Speaker 15: No, it's not over in a flash, and it's not
46:04
Speaker 15: a game. You know, we saw at the very beginning
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Speaker 15: of last month the US and that almost surgical movement
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Speaker 15: in Venezuela. This is a very very different creature that
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Speaker 15: we're dealing with here, and there's lots of moving parts,
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Speaker 15: and there is a very very angry regime who is
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Speaker 15: not only taking its aggression out on the US and Israel,
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Speaker 15: but is just spraying missiles across the whole golf and
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Speaker 15: they've been hitting Cyprus and Katar and other parts of
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Speaker 15: the Middle East. So when you have that sort of
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Speaker 15: irrational type behavior, it becomes very dangerous for civilians and
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Speaker 15: that sort of thing, and we have seen civilian carnage
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Speaker 15: out of that. So look I understand that at this point.
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Speaker 15: My understanding is that there's three US servicemen that have
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Speaker 15: been lost. There's been some civilian casualties, but you know,
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Speaker 15: depending on how everyone chooses to behave going forward over
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Speaker 15: like you said, the next four weeks, there unfortunately could.
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Speaker 2: Be more of that. Let's let's go to Rita Panahy,
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Speaker 2: our own Persian princess. And this is a really telling
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Speaker 2: contribution from her on outside is yesterday, and.
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Speaker 16: I just want to conclude this editorial with this message
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Speaker 16: to the late Supreme Leader Pid sag Hockpa sadded vessels
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Speaker 16: to Jahanna.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, and that means you son of a bit,
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Speaker 1: Shame on you.
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Speaker 2: Burning Hill addressed to the Aatola now reader's emblematic of
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Speaker 2: what's at stake here. She grew up as a girl
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Speaker 2: that had to wear the veiled death to America. I've
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Speaker 2: been to Teyran, see all these posters. It's good to
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Speaker 2: see it all.
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Speaker 1: How has I felt so happy for her?
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Speaker 8: And I was saying to a colleague, a former colleague
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Speaker 8: who you know Molly Smith as well? Today and imagine
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Speaker 8: one day Rider being able to take her child to
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Speaker 8: a free Iran. Wouldn't that just be incredible. I just
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Speaker 8: and again as a woman, sort of like a reluctant feminist.
47:56
Speaker 8: But if you stop and clinically look at how women
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Speaker 8: in particular. I know men have been dealt a very
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Speaker 8: poor hand there as well, But if you look at women,
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Speaker 8: you don't travel unless your husband or your father gives
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Speaker 8: you permission to travel.
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Speaker 1: Ditto work.
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Speaker 8: Child marriage is legal, all of this stuff. Sixteen year
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Speaker 8: old rape victim was executed for having been raped. I mean,
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Speaker 8: there are hundreds of thousands of these stories. And yet
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Speaker 8: people in this country who call themselves political elite or whatever,
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Speaker 8: or the elite of academia, are shilling for this idea.
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Speaker 1: They call themselves human rights activity.
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Speaker 8: And they are nothing of the sort.
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Speaker 1: Shocking.
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Speaker 2: Let us go back to a great memory thirty years
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Speaker 2: ago today, how time flies when you're having fun.
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Speaker 1: John Howard was elected Prime Minister. Have a look.
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Speaker 17: My first words are addressed to all of the people
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Speaker 17: of Australia. But I am very conscious of the enormous
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Speaker 17: responsibility that has been placed upon me and upon my
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Speaker 17: colleagues by the verdicte of the Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Today, and so began a gold Mira. We're nearly out
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Speaker 2: of time ten seconds each. Shall start with you, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I'm just how good that government was.
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Speaker 1: It looks better given everything we've seen since. Too so good.
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Speaker 15: And I was too young to vote back then, but
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Speaker 15: I do remember watching that on Channel two and come back,
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Speaker 15: so your country.
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Speaker 1: Needs you coming back.
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Speaker 2: I'm homeing to talk to him next week because of
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Speaker 2: the wonderful documentary Chris Yillman's put together.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jimmy and Caroline.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I was old enough to vote at that time,
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Speaker 2: and I was lucky enough to work with the Howard
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Speaker 2: government for.
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Speaker 1: The second half of it. It was a mighty fine
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Speaker 1: government at the time, and it looks even better now.
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Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin.