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The Late Debate | 24 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: That general manner.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the late phase. It's been evacuated from the
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  Speaker 2: lodge after a threat to his safety. Police have not
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  Speaker 2: yet disclosed what that threat was, but about four hours
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  Speaker 2: ago Anthony Albinezi was moved to a safe location. The
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  Speaker 2: Australian Federal Police released a statement about half an hour ago.
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  Speaker 2: They have said that at six pm today, twenty fourth
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  Speaker 2: of February twenty twenty six, the AFP responded to an
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  Speaker 2: alleged security incident within the Act. A thorough search of
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  Speaker 2: a protection establishment was undertaken and nothing suspicious was located.
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  Speaker 2: There is no current threat to the community or public safety.
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  Speaker 2: Further information will be provided at an appropriate time. So
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  Speaker 2: that's the statement from the AFP. Let's go live now
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  Speaker 2: to Canberra where Sky News political reporter Cam redden Is
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  Speaker 2: on the scene. Cam, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: What can you tell us, James. That's the latest update
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  Speaker 3: we have from the AFA on the record. My understanding
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  Speaker 3: is that the search has now completed, that after about
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  Speaker 3: three hours officers did not find anything suspicious and that
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  Speaker 3: they are now winding down their search of the lodge
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  Speaker 3: behind me. So that's the latest information we have between
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  Speaker 3: now and one This incident began when this search began
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  Speaker 3: around six o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little unclear of.
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  Speaker 4: What triggered it.
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  Speaker 3: There's no confirmation from the police about what instigated this search.
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  Speaker 3: We do know, James, as you mentioned, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: was evacuated from the lodge, taken to a different location.
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  Speaker 3: We're not sure where that is for obvious reasons, that's
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  Speaker 3: not being shared that information. The police search lasted about
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  Speaker 3: three hours and is now winding down. The AFA say
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  Speaker 3: there is no threat to the community. But understandably something
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  Speaker 3: that you do not see very often, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: having to leave his own place of residence where he
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  Speaker 3: lives even in non sitting weeks and camera.
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  Speaker 2: Was it just Anthony Albanezi was evacuated? What about Jody
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  Speaker 2: and what about staff who are at the lodge.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have information on that, James, but what I
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  Speaker 3: can give you a little bit of context about how
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  Speaker 3: the day has unfolded. In the mid afternoon, the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister was taking part in a live streamed podcast in
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  Speaker 3: the lodge and that went for about an hour. That
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  Speaker 3: was around two o'clock. There were plenty of comments that
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  Speaker 3: were filtering in through that podcast. Now we don't know
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  Speaker 3: what triggered this, as I say, but between that happening
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  Speaker 3: at two o'clock and this search instigating at six o'clock,
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  Speaker 3: that is when police and authorities have become aware of
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  Speaker 3: the threat. And we don't know the nature of that threat,
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  Speaker 3: where it came from, what was being threatened, but they
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  Speaker 3: considered it serious enough to take action in this case.
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  Speaker 3: And it's worth noting too, James, that the rate of
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  Speaker 3: threats that politicians face of this nature, they range from
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  Speaker 3: everything from serious threats like this one to where the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister has had to be moved and they've taken action,
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  Speaker 3: to people hurling abuse on social media, on the street
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  Speaker 3: and elsewhere. But in this particular case, the AFP, as
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  Speaker 3: you can imagine, they are very well protective of the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister and his residents down here. They've considered it
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  Speaker 3: serious enough at the very least to take this action
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  Speaker 3: and move him to another location.
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  Speaker 2: Can we can see a bit of movement behind you,
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  Speaker 2: you say it's winding down there at the peak of
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  Speaker 2: all of this, What was it like, how many police
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  Speaker 2: were there and what sort of measures were taken to
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  Speaker 2: keep media away?
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  Speaker 3: No measures to keep us away, As you can imagine, James,
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  Speaker 3: there would not be a desire to have lights and
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  Speaker 3: sirens flooding around the Prime Minister's residents. We did see
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  Speaker 3: several police cars come and go from here. We've been
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  Speaker 3: here for the last hour or so watching it unfold,
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  Speaker 3: and it's fair to say that there hasn't been a
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  Speaker 3: great deal of activity in the time that I've been
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  Speaker 3: standing out here. But this is a very public place, James.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very prominent part of Canberra. Australians know. The
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister talks about it.
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  Speaker 2: He lives here.
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  Speaker 3: Unlike all Prime ministers, some of them moving care abillity
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  Speaker 3: somew've elsewhere. The Prime has chosen to live in Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: But in terms of broader activity around here, it's been
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  Speaker 3: fairly minimal. I would add too that the AFP are
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  Speaker 3: incredibly professional at handling these. In just the last financial year,
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  Speaker 3: the AFP received nearly a thousand different threats referred to
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  Speaker 3: them from federal MPs. That's in the space of twelve months.
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  Speaker 3: And as I say, that ranges from somebody commenting on
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  Speaker 3: a Facebook page to something like we've seen tonight. So
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  Speaker 3: they're very well drilled, they're very professional, and in this
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  Speaker 3: case have responded in the swiftest possible way.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, as we've said, the Prime ministers evacuated
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  Speaker 2: from the lodge. But for people who are not familiar
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  Speaker 2: with how things work at the lodge, what's normal security like?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, pretty tired as you'd imagine, James. I mean for
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  Speaker 3: those who haven't visited in the Capitol. It's a walled building.
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  Speaker 3: There are grounds behind it on a public road. There's
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  Speaker 3: a highway to my right, there's parks to my left.
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  Speaker 3: But it's pretty much suburbia, suburban as Canberra gets. It's
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  Speaker 3: a very well known building. As you can imagine the camera.
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  Speaker 3: There's police that are around, all the security that you'd anticipate.
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  Speaker 4: But for all.
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  Speaker 3: Intents and purposes, James, if you didn't know any better,
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  Speaker 3: you could walk down the road and not know it
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  Speaker 3: was the lodge, if you were a resident here, if
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  Speaker 3: you didn't know that. So look, nothing outside the ordinary
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  Speaker 3: in terms of the police presence at the moment, other
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  Speaker 3: than what I would say is a few extra cars
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  Speaker 3: doing the last of that search.
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  Speaker 2: Just one more question, Cam, are we expecting the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister to return to the lodge this evening or is
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  Speaker 2: he going to be away all night? And they'll sort
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  Speaker 2: it out tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: That we don't know, James. All I know for now
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  Speaker 3: is that through the duration of this search, the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister was taken elsewhere you can, as you can imagine
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  Speaker 3: that his movements are not being a steadily forecast at
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  Speaker 3: this particular point. Why the AFP is still looking into this,
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  Speaker 3: so I think we can expect in the morning a
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  Speaker 3: bit more clarity around what triggered this in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister does live in Canadra, but at the
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  Speaker 3: moment we do not know exactly where he is. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm told he's safe, there's no one going threat to
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  Speaker 3: the community, and that this police operation is now winding
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  Speaker 3: down a bit after ten o'clock Eastern time.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, Cam Redden, thanks for bringing us the
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  Speaker 2: latest and of course if there's any further developments tonight
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  Speaker 2: we'll go back to you. We appreciate your time. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Caleb and Jemmere. It's pretty astonishing, isn't it. We know
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  Speaker 2: there's regular threats to our politicians. For PM to be
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  Speaker 2: evacuated from the lodge, that's an extraordinary situation.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed, as Cam said just before, you know, the AFP
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  Speaker 5: deals with one thousand odd threats a year, which is
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  Speaker 5: extraordinary in and of itself.
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  Speaker 4: But what is more extraordinary is that it.
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  Speaker 5: Is very rare you see something of this kind and
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  Speaker 5: this degree. I mean, look, I can't think of the
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  Speaker 5: last time that a Prime Minister was evacuated from his resident,
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  Speaker 5: be it to the lodge or kirabilly for that matter.
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  Speaker 5: We live in a country where generally we are free
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  Speaker 5: and able, and not only as but you know, politicians
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  Speaker 5: to walk down the street to be amongst the public and.
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  Speaker 4: Feel reason safe. So it is very rare.
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  Speaker 5: It is seldom that we see a case like this
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  Speaker 5: where a Prime Minister has to be evacuated from a
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  Speaker 5: residence or any other place because of a credible threat,
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  Speaker 5: which makes it all the more extraordinary the fact, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you've got to keep it in the back of your
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  Speaker 5: mind that these are the sorts of things that sometimes
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  Speaker 5: we have to deal with. As a Prime minister or
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  Speaker 5: any other minister living in public life. You'd like to
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  Speaker 5: think it's not something you have to deal with, but
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  Speaker 5: every now and again it is. And I know there's
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  Speaker 5: all this talk about we've got to turn the pressure
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  Speaker 5: down on various discussions in this country. At the moment
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  Speaker 5: but if you have an issue with a politician, you
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  Speaker 5: don't deal with it by sending a threat that then
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  Speaker 5: leads the AFP to go and evacuate the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 5: from his house. The Prime Minister, whatever you think of
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  Speaker 5: his politics and whatever you think of what he's done
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  Speaker 5: in his career, is a human being. He is a
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  Speaker 5: man with a wife and with children and a family
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  Speaker 5: and friends and all the rest that goes with it.
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  Speaker 5: Would you want to be a cuated from your house
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  Speaker 5: because someone had seen you a threat? If you wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: want that, you don't do it to the prime in
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  Speaker 5: this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: The pro I agree with furious agreement with you both, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: But you're a sane person. And the people who make
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  Speaker 6: these kinds of threats, and whoever was behind the kind
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  Speaker 6: of threat that happened today, the details of which obviously
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  Speaker 6: will emerge, they're either not particularly well or they are
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  Speaker 6: intentionally setting out to do evil, to do something unspeakable
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  Speaker 6: that we have not had to experience, thankfully in this country,
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  Speaker 6: the likes of which other countries almost see day day in,
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  Speaker 6: day out, and obviously America is the greatest example of that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sitting here listening to you both again in furious
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  Speaker 6: agreement with what you're saying. But my question to you
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  Speaker 6: both genuinely is how can either of you be shocked
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  Speaker 6: or surprised because we talk about the Australia that we know,
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  Speaker 6: the Australia that we know was blown apart. Pardon not
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  Speaker 6: intending to be upon there, but the Australia that we
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  Speaker 6: know is blown apart a couple of years ago. We
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  Speaker 6: haven't been living in the Australia that I grew up in, Caleb.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a little bit older than you, James. It's I
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  Speaker 6: don't think I'm incorrect or insightful in saying that it
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  Speaker 6: is not the Australia that I recognize, And I don't
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  Speaker 6: mean that in a cultural perspective or cultural wars perspective.
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  Speaker 6: That the Prime Minister has rightly said turn the temperature down,
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  Speaker 6: but they're that.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 6: We are here because we are not here by we're
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  Speaker 6: here by design, but almost like you know, thinking that
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  Speaker 6: things would just right themselves. I think that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: You're right that we're shocked and at the same time
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  Speaker 2: not surprised.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 6: It can still be shocking, but not a surprise. I
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  Speaker 6: am not surprised by this. I'm horrified by it, but
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  Speaker 6: I'm not surprised. We're here. How could we be surprised.
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  Speaker 2: We're shocked because this is not the Australia that we
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  Speaker 2: grew up with. We're not surprised because blind Freddie can
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  Speaker 2: see over the last number of years that things have
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  Speaker 2: been getting more and more extreme, the retoric, the behavior,
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  Speaker 2: and so sadly it's not a surprise. And of course
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  Speaker 2: this comes just a day after a man was shot
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  Speaker 2: in the US as a mary Donald Trump. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: used to seeing that sort of thing in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: That's a whole other world, but you know, it's a
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  Speaker 2: thing that's happening right around the Western world now. Is
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  Speaker 2: people moved to extremes and there's an increasing threat to
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  Speaker 2: political leaders right around the world.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we should note, of course, there's such scant
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  Speaker 5: information today. We have no idea what the potential motives
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  Speaker 5: are for any threat that was made to the Prime minister,
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  Speaker 5: whether it has anything to do with events of the
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  Speaker 5: last two years, or whether it's just some bloke who
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  Speaker 5: for some reason has been against who knows. I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: this detail will come out in the next few days,
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  Speaker 5: but I distinctly remember in my time as a journalist
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  Speaker 5: in Adelaide, when the Liberals took over in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 5: the premier, then Premier Rob Lucas made a point of saying,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to use my com car to get
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  Speaker 5: around the city. I'm going to walk between my offices
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  Speaker 5: and Parliament and we all see, isn't that wonderful that
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  Speaker 5: the treasurer can just walk through the middle of the
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  Speaker 5: city and you know no one would even harass him
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  Speaker 5: or do anything. That's the kind of country you want
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  Speaker 5: to live in, where your politicians are available to the
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  Speaker 5: people that they serve, and that they don't have to
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  Speaker 5: feel threatened by stepping out in one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: But a country like that doesn't just happen. It requires leadership.
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  Speaker 6: It requires the law to be applied for starters and
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  Speaker 6: applied equally. I love that idea that you've just described.
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  Speaker 6: It's almost somewhat utopian in this day and age. But
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  Speaker 6: a country like that doesn't just it just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, as we've said, I think, no matter what people
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  Speaker 2: think about Anthony Albanezy, his leadership, his government, nobody wants
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  Speaker 2: a country where the Prime Minister has to be evacuated
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  Speaker 2: from the lodge because threats have been made. That's not
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  Speaker 2: the place we want to live in. And that will
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  Speaker 2: bring you updates if we hear anything further from the
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  Speaker 2: AFP through the course of the evening. All right, I
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  Speaker 2: want to play you an extraordinary exchange from a Senate
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  Speaker 2: Estimates hearing yesterday where a green seat suggests, get this,
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  Speaker 2: that childcare workers are better qualified to raise a baby
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  Speaker 2: than the baby's own mum. Have a listen to this
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  Speaker 2: exchange that begins with a mum asking Senator Steph Hodgens
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  Speaker 2: May if she believes bubbs just as well off with
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  Speaker 2: a childcare worker as with their own mother.
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  Speaker 1: Are you saying that there's no difference between someone with
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  Speaker 1: a SERT three as an educator versus a parent, So
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  Speaker 1: that sort of I'm absolutely saying that I find it
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  Speaker 1: really offensive to sit here, you know nothing about me
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  Speaker 1: or the care of my children, and for you to
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  Speaker 1: insinuate that someone who's done a Certificate three is somehow
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  Speaker 1: better than me at educating my child is mum shaming.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say the suggestion that a baby is
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  Speaker 2: better off with a stranger who's got a SERT free
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  Speaker 2: in childcare that with their own mother is not only ludicrous,
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  Speaker 2: caliber's verging on evil.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 5: And there's are full three minutes of this that you're
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  Speaker 5: good friend Jimmy Caro de Rousso has put up on Twitter,
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  Speaker 5: so go and have a look at it. It's in
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  Speaker 5: other places as well. But the whole gist of this
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  Speaker 5: clip is essentially this exchange is that you are better
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  Speaker 5: off having your child, or a three year old child,
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  Speaker 5: it should be put more accurately, is better off in
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  Speaker 5: the company and care of a childcare worker than they
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  Speaker 5: are in the care of their own parents or in
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  Speaker 5: this specific case, a mother. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 5: just self evident to most people, and of course I'm
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  Speaker 5: not a parent, but I know plenty of them, including
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  Speaker 5: the two who raised me and who made a choice
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  Speaker 5: that you know, they could have made a lot more
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  Speaker 5: money than they did, but they made a choice that Mum,
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  Speaker 5: when we were small enough.
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  Speaker 4: To not be able to look after ourselves, would stay.
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  Speaker 5: At home and not work during the week because they
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  Speaker 5: decided that was the best thing for their children.
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  Speaker 4: Mum could have gone to work, we could have gone
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  Speaker 4: to childcare, but.
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  Speaker 5: They said no, it's probably better if mull was at
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  Speaker 5: home with her two sons, and dad finished work early
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  Speaker 5: and came home early and whatever up they thought that
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  Speaker 5: was best. And I think a lot of parents, even
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  Speaker 5: if they have to go to work in order to
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  Speaker 5: stay afloat, just instinctively know that they know that they
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  Speaker 5: would rather be at home with their young children because
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  Speaker 5: they instinctively know. I mean, it's just simple biology that
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  Speaker 5: is wired into people that they are better to be
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  Speaker 5: with their children, and that they know their children best,
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  Speaker 5: and that they are the right people to raise their children.
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  Speaker 5: And so what you are now saying or not you specifically, James,
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  Speaker 5: but what is what is being suggested by some people
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  Speaker 5: is that you have to take the kid away from
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  Speaker 5: the parents and put them somewhere else.
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  Speaker 4: Not actually, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Think because it's the best thing for the kids, but
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  Speaker 5: it's the easiest way to get into the kid's minds
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  Speaker 5: and get hold of impressionable young minds. How could you
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  Speaker 5: otherwise legitimately believe that a childcare worker is better placed
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  Speaker 5: to look after a child and apparent And that's sort
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  Speaker 5: of slide on childcare workers and simply to say that
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  Speaker 5: a child is better off with their parent if available.
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  Speaker 6: Right, some families don't have a choice, obviously, but my
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  Speaker 6: experience of being dragged up was the same as yours.
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  Speaker 6: Caleb parents decided that they would sacrifice so that mums
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  Speaker 6: stayed at home with my brother and I until we
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  Speaker 6: went to sort of late primary school, high school, and
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  Speaker 6: then she went back to work all of that sort
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  Speaker 6: of stuff. And I think, this is like you, I
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  Speaker 6: didn't get I. I didn't get to be a mum.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm very passionate about this idea because I'm an employer,
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  Speaker 6: and I've been an employer for two decades, and I
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  Speaker 6: see up close, very very close, how difficult it is
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  Speaker 6: for working mums and working dads who want to be
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  Speaker 6: present in their children's lives. They also want to further
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  Speaker 6: their careers. But there's another aspect of this conversation, which
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  Speaker 6: is productivity in this country. Like I've made conversations with
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  Speaker 6: friends who are mums to young children who say, I
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  Speaker 6: would love to go back to work, but I am
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  Speaker 6: not throwing my child into childcare. My parents are either
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  Speaker 6: passed away or not in the same city. We don't
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  Speaker 6: have friends, we don't have that social capital, and this horrifying,
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  Speaker 6: frankly exchange in the Senate Committee encapsulates the ideology behind
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  Speaker 6: this universal child care program which does not mirror best practice.
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  Speaker 6: If you look at Scannonavy, God bless the Scandies. It's
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  Speaker 6: not just you know, film noir that they've given us.
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  Speaker 6: They've given us best practice in how to do flexible childcare.
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  Speaker 6: Look at Finland for an example. We are so behind
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  Speaker 6: the eight Well, I am so pleased. I'm so pleased
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  Speaker 6: to see Angus Taylor's new front bench put this front
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  Speaker 6: and center because lots of research says that this will
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  Speaker 6: shift the DAR from a VopS.
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  Speaker 2: Just before we move on, when I heard this Green
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  Speaker 2: Center say, you know, if you've got to sert free
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: in childcare, you're better off than most mums. You want
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: to sert three in childcare teachers, you provide positive, nappy
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: changing experiences, learn how to pack away materials, promote inclusion
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: and equity when working with diverse children, and effective and
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: confident care for children. Much make you're a super parent.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: And this is where they dated it up. And again
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: it's not to genergrate childcare workers. They do great work
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: in mini cases, and you know a lot of people
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: need them because they just can't afford as a family.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: But it ain't without without yeah, correct, And this is
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: why they set it up as they don't call it
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: childcare in this case, they call it early childhood education
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: because it then suggests that if you are refusing to
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: put your child into early childhood education, that you are
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: somehow robbing them of an experience that they ought to have.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: And that's how they set it up, that that is
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: better than being a parent. But it is self evident
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: to most people who've ever interacted with a child that
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: that is not the case. Now, of course, you know
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: about this insurgent one nation in the polls, up and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: up and up every single pole it seems to come out.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: It's a bit like reform in the UK.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Everyone is better than the last. But one of the problems,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: of course with building a minor party into something of
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: a major party is that you don't have all the
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: mechanics and the groundwork and the branches and the resources
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: and whatever that a party like the Liberal Party or
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: the Labor Party that has been around for decades has.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Your job of establishing yourself from all the checks and
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: balances is much harder, which is how you end up
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: in situations like this. Fella by the name of Stuart Bonds,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: who was the candidate for Hunter at the federal election
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: for One Nation. He is now weighing up a run
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: at the New South Wales state election next year.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Now, he got.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Hold of some footage over the weekend from a mine,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: the Benala Mine near Musselbrook in the Hunter region, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: it showed a number of Middle Eastern men walking into
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: this mind site. Now he posted on Facebook that he
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: had received this footage these photographs from multiple sources, he
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: said at the mine who were concerned about why these
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: men had gone there. So he posted on Facebook and
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: says if they were looking for explosives, I'm not sure
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: they were looking at borrowing them to continue their mining operations.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: They don't look like your typical coal mine to me.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: He says this on the strength of information that he
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: had allegedly received from other people that they had gone
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: around asking for explosives. Now, the Police of Lady confirmed
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: that these men were asked by people at the mind
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: to leave and they did that, and that they then
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: went to the police themselves to explain what had happened.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: It turns out, allegedly that one of the men was
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: an ex worker at the mine and he had decided
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: he was going to take his mate to his old
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: workplace to meet some of his ex colleagues.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: It seems rather odd, but.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: You can't get around the fact that mister Bonds clearly
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: has taken information that he hadn't verified.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And put it on Facebook.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: So in comes the Labor Assistant Multicultural Minister Julian Hill,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: who has described him as a dickhead and said that
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson should sack him and prevent him from ever
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: running for the party again. I should note One Nation
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: is not the only party that has been beset by
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: questionable social media posts and there seems to be something
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: of a recurring issue in politics these days, where he's
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: a social media posts with a current or old keep
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: popping up like ghosts. Look, what he posted to social
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: media was clearly unverified and he should have been more
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: careful in what he did.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: But isn't it interesting?
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: And we'll talk a bit later in the papers about
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: some other things Julian Hill has been saying, and they're
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: basically saying, let's turn the pressure down. But you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: someone puts a questionable post on social media and next
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: thing he's saying, oh, well, the guy's a dickhead, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: surely you could handle it a bit better than that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this. Aren't we told see something, say something?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the responsibility of everybody to speak up if
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you see something unusual? So it seemed unusual he pointed
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it out, and all of a sudden, he's a dickhead
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: for doing it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: So it's manner, not just matter.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: What was the manner.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: The manner was the way he said, Oh, I think
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: they're going to get.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Some we you can't read tone into a Facebook.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, so let's look at his language. I don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: think they're going to continue their minding operations. Nudge, nudge,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: wink wink.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I mean there was no nudge.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Come on. He pointed out that they have a serious
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: conversation in this country about things that matter. We want
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: to have a serious conversation about the problem with extremism,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: not referring to these two gentlemen obviously, who took themselves
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: to police. I mean, we can't.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: We aren't, we pointed out they did not.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: It was how he did it is how he did it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: He could have said. He could have said, for example,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: saw this have reported it to police? Remember if you
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: see something that looks dodgy reported to police. He didn't
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: have to have all of those imputations in there. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: if you.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Counisation was that they didn't look like people who were
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: working in a mine, you're in that naive?
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Are you really that naive?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Come on reading what he writes, I.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Want to have sensible conversations that lead to turning down
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: the temperature, which seems to be the phrase of the
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: night for good reason. Then we have to treat these
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: matters with seriousness, with respect, and have a sensible adult conversation,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: not like we've all just tumbled out of universe.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: So I will agree with that and say that the
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: post was wrong, But is it turning down the temperature
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to then turn around and use it as an attack
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: on one nation and to call the guy a dickhid.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: No, I'm not talking about what Julian Hill said. I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: talking about the post because that's a substantive part of
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: this conversation. I don't have time for Julian Hill. I've
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: seen what he says and I don't particularly take I
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: don't like his tone. He probably doesn't like mine. I'll
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: live and let live. But in relation to the broader issue,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: that one nation is struggling to show Australians why it
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: could govern, why it could be an option.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that off the base of this Facebook.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: I think this is one of many examples of what
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: we're talking about, and the most obvious is Pauline Hanson's
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: recent no good Muslims in Australia.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: She didn't she didn't actually say that. She didn't say
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: there were no good Muslims.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Are there any good Muslims? Of course there are, so
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: that's what she was talking about.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Right, It's difficult to distinguish between someone who's an extremist
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and someone who's she's not so much difficult, and her
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: comments have been completely taken out of take.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: It's not difficult she saying I'm a Christian. Is every
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Christian a pedophile? Is it difficult to distinguish?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Come on, But that's not the argument. The argument is
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that Pauline Hanson has been accused of saying there are
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: no good Muslims, when that's not at all what she was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: The letter of what she said was it's difficult to
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: distinguish between the two. Is that what you're saying.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: That's what she seemed to me.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: She seemed to be infering. I'm saying all of it
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: is unhelpful. All of it is unhelpful. And if she's
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: the leader of a party that is surging in the
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: polls and pretending, not pretending, but positioning to be a
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: potential alternative government, possibly even a coalition partner to the coalition,
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: God knows what could happen in the next day, ten
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: months or so, she needs to do better than that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I think most Australians want to see political leaders have
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: an honest and frank conversation about the dangers of Islamic
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: extreme is it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Have one and not just say well, you can't tell
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: a bad one for a good one.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's not what she said.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Look the wording I took read this last week, it
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: was um and I think the discussion then got caught
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: up in an issue that it wasn't actually about. It
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: became about the semantics of the language instead of the
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: broader point. As Shari put to her that night, we
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: are talking about radical Islam, and she said, yes, that
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: is what I meant. The words that came out of
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: her mouth were clumsy and ill advised. The broader point
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: was about something else. But as Paul Murray pointed out,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: last week after she wore the burker into Parliament, which
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I at the time thought was a silly stunt. She's
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: only gone up in the polls. One nation has only
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: gone up in the polls. So there is no evidence
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: that people are looking at one nation at the moment
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: and saying, actually, I don't think this is a party
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: of government. Increasingly they're looking at the other two parties
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: and saying I rather like the idea of what one
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: nation wants.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: That's objectively true, because the polling is telling us that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: My counterpoint to that, to play Devil's advocate would be
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: everybody voted in this Prime minister. They voted him in
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: and look what we got over the last two and
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: a half years. Look at the economy we've got. But
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: the Australian public looked at that government and you will
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: vote for them. So just because all the.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Whole twice with a return just jumping exactly, Just.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Because the majority of Australians are looking at one nation
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: and going, oh, have a crack at that doesn't mean
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: that we're right, and it doesn't mean that it would
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: eventually be a good decision.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: But I thought, well, it's always been said that the
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: voters always get it right.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't agree with that necessarily, Like the customer
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: is not always right. I was a checkout chick. Customer
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: is not always right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I think most Australians would feel like, you know, whatever
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you think of one nation, you couldn't possibly do worse
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: than the Labor Party or the Liberal Party at the moment.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And so that's where they're saying they'll park their vote.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: No argument here on that one, that's for sure, all.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Right, Jimmy, talk to us about In fact, let me
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: talk to you about the NHS in the UK, because
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: they are telling hospital staff that they need to choose
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: their own pronouns and make them playing, both to their
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: colleagues and to patients. In fact, the NHS have suggested
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a handalistic pronouns that hospital staff could use. Can call yourself,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I ME, they them z Z. I'm not sure how
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to pronounce them. And you can even refer to yourself
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: as is. I suppose you can even refer to yourself
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: as it or it's. And they've advised hospital staff to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: apologize if they wrongly label somebody or if they hear
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: someone using wrong pronouns, to call them out. And then
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: they had this little handy bit of advice for those
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: who are skeptical of all this pronoun stuff. They actually
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: told staff, if you don't think this is important, that's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: all the more reason for you to give attention to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: these things, because it obviously represents a deficit in your understanding. Now,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: this advice was given in February last year, before the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: UK Supreme Court ruled that a woman is defined according
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to biology, but the NHS appeared to be ignoring the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: court ruling and persisting with promoting gender ideology within the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: hospital system. Now this comes at the same time that
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: we learned tens of thousands of hip and knee replacements
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: have been indefinitely postponed in the UK because they've got
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: an issue with the cement that they use for these operations.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: But it's pretty easy for people to look at what's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: happening in the hospital system there and say, you can't
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: get the operation you need, but do you They're big
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: on making sure that the correct pronoum.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: It sounds like something you'd hear out of Victoria, doesn't it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Remember when Daniel Andrews said they have four thousand ICU
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: bids during COVID and then oh, they'd never turned up,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: and then when he was questioned about it, he said, I.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Never said that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean we'd get that. It is.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: You know, you see this in the corporate world now
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: and you get an email all the I get emails
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: from PR people whatever, and I know here awful people
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: and it says at the bottom, you know Joe Blogs
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: or Jim Ayton, Uni she her or maybe you'd have I.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: Do not have those Jiji or something.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: I have her Royal Highness.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Oh that's yes, minor judged Dury executioner.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: But they've got their bloody pronouns there.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: As if it wasn't evident from the fact that the
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: name was like Jim A toon Yini, you could probably tell.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: It now that you know you want to do it
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: in the corporate world, go for your life.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: I think it's stupid, but it's really concerning when it
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: happens in the medical world, because the medical world in
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: many cases is full of absolutes. You have cancer or
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: you don't. We've got to find a way to fix
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: a medical problem. And so you would like to think
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: that when you are dealing with doctors and nurses that
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: they look at things through a logical and methodical lens
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: where they go here is something that is an absolute,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: and we've got to get to another absolute, which is
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: we remove a problem.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: So if you've got people who.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Are dealing in science are now effectively dealing in pseudoscience
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: and saying that in fact, there are no established rules
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: in biology whatsoever, and that you can make up anything
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: you want, are they the sort of people you want
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: treating you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, Jim before before you go,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: this isn't just in the UK. I recently had to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: get some scans and a radiologist or whatever they call
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: it here in Sydney, and before they put me in
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: for the scan, straight faced, the gentleman asked, is there
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: any chance you could be pred.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: And did you have a big meal or something?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I said, kidding me, He says, I'm so sorry, sir,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we have to ask wow.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: So I know, how did he know?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Really? He was assuming and I was quite offended by that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, you said, I'm in my mid fifties, I'm
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: in a pausal.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Good answer and well done. Caleb was saying the M word.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Well, that's right after the watershed.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: It's exactly. I mean, it's the bracket creep isn't it.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: It's like, where does it stop? To your point about biology?
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: So doctor friends of mine say things like the way
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: they treat certain cancers, and I'm not talking about things
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: like cervical cancer, testicular cancer, but cancer broadly can be
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: treated differently whether you're a man or a woman, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: your body responds differently because of that amazing thing called DNA.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: So you sort of wonder where the line creeps and
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: creeps and creeps. It starts with that sort of situation,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: and then it's like, well, you know, are you pregnant, James,
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: it's bizarre.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Well, the reason that question has become important is because
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a woman identifying as a man overseas had an operation
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and lost the baby right having failed to declare that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: they were pregnant, and hospital staff not daring to ask
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: because this person identified as a man. Therefore they could
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: not ask where.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Is my respect? And there was a tragedy, would be
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: the Immaculate Conception and we'd all be preparing for the
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: second Coming of Christ fifty two. I'm not pregnant, people,
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: it's not happening.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: So Jim, talk to us about the Democrats in the US,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: because they've got problems with this too, haven't they.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about pronouns some more, because I know you
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: all want to. Many of you would be familiar with
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Gavin Newsome. He's the Democratic governor of California. Many say
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: that it's a failed state. It's certainly not famous as
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: much these days for golden beaches and wonderful American dreams
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: and prosperity, but for crippling poverty, outrageous homelessness, and the
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: usual byproducts of a very hard left socialist agenda. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: of course Gavin Newson very famous for having COVID dinner
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: parties Adams in the Napa Valley. I think it was
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: Caleb when everybody else was being told to shelter in place.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: So tell me you're wanting to be exactly tell me
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: you want to be president without telling me you want
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: to be president. So Gavin Newsom has gone on air
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: with to do a major interview where he has backtracked
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: and said, I think the Democrats need to take it
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: easy with the pronoun stuff and be a little bit more.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: What did he use is the phrase culturally normal. We've
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: got a grab of him talking about that. Have a
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: look at what he had to say here and tell
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: me what we think.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: No doubt that the democratic quarity needs to be dare
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: I see more culturally normal? I believe that less prone
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: to spending disproportionate amount of time on pronouns, identity politics,
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: more focused on table pope issues, things that really matter,
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: the stacking distress in terms of electricity bills and childcare
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: costs and how care and obviously has in casts.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, James, he's kind of been month by reality.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: He's seen that, He's seen that Trump victory and this
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: is not a Trump endorsement. Everybody calmed down, but it
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: was a wave and it was a decisive vote by
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: the American people, and he's seen it and gone noted.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Well. I love the fact that he says the Democrats
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: now need to be culturally normal, which is an admission
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: culturally insane.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Great point, but.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: He's a massive hypocrite and a fraud because also great point.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Right now, while he's saying we need to slow down
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: with the whole pronouns thing and become more culturally normal,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: he's got laws in California which he will not change,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that requires schools to keep secret from parents.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: It's actually all that's.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: The gender changes of their children. So you can't have
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it both ways. You can't say we're going to go
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: mainstream while having absolutely extreme laws in your schools that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: undermine the rights of parents.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Of course, and Gavin used some setting himself up for
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: a presidential run, right, and this is what he has
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: to turn around in his own party.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: I am Kamala Harris. My pnouns are she of her.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: I'm a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I want to introduce Greece Thomas. She's a local civil
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: rights attorney. She's Democrat. Grat pronouns. Actually, thank you.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: In order to be gender balanced, we must.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: We must elect.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: One male, one female, and one person of any gender
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: and one Jim or whatever the hell it is as well. Look,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: you just got to wonder what they're seeing in their
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: sort of internal polling that's telling them where the US
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: people are at when you've got sort of an arch left.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: He liked Newsom turning around and saying, actually, we need
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: to talk about things that people care about. But if
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: he is weighing up a run for president, he may
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: not want to take any advice from this guy, who
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: We normally do this. At the end of the show,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to crown one in said one tonight.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: He don't look the dayes.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Today's entry is Jason Midzi, who back in twenty twenty
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: two ran to be mayor of Marion in Adelaide, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: he failed in that endeavor.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: He did not win mayor, but he sort of saw
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: this coming.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: It worked out that he perhaps he would not win,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: so he decided to try and rig the vote. What
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: he did was was put in a whole bunch of
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: fraudulent votes. This was found out by the scrutineers because
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: they noticed that all these votes were coming in with
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: the same handwriting on them and that the birth dates
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: had not been filled.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: So he gets caught out.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: This book, by the way, was a nominee for the
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: twenty seventeen Citizen of the Year in Marion. He ends
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: up in court for it. He's found guilty of ten
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: charges of trying to.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Pull this off.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: He's jailed for eighteen months with a non parole period
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: of nine months. But he now says he's going off
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: to appeal this because in fact, he did such a
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: bad job of it that he doesn't deserve to face
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: that much jail. This is from the Advertiser. During sentencing
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: submissions in December, Council for Jason Mitsey sought a good
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: behavior bond for the forty six year old, saying he
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: already suffered a degree of extra curial punishment, including being
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: fired from his job as a nurse and public humiliation,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: how awful for him. He also submitted that the offending
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: was unsophisticated, highly likely to be spotted, and quote almost
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: certain to be unsuccessful in changing the election outcome. Mitsy
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: was not motivated out of a desire to change the result,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: but rather out of a desire on his part save
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: face or minimize the embarrassment of a low vote count
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: in his favor in.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Terms of the mayoral election.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: So basically his defense was, yes, I tried to rig
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: the election, but I did a really bad job of
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: it and it was never going to work anyway, So
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: you can't send.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Me to jail. I mean, how could you argue with that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, prior to this, he'd run twice for local government,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: lost both times. He'd run once at a state level
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and lost there, so he was just sensitive to being embarrassed.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: He tried to inflate the vote a little for some pride.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: we'll look at what's making news tomorrow and give you
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: an update on the situation with Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That's next, all right, welcome back to the program. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: suppose as we speak newspapers are madly redoing their front pages.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Before we get to what we know of tomorrow's papers,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: we'll give you the latest on tonight's major breaking news.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Sky News can report the PM is back in the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: lodge after earlier being of evacuated due to a security concern. Now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: in a statement, a spokesperson for Anthony Alberezi has said
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: we trust the AFP to do their jobs and thank
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: them for their work. The leader of the Opposition, Angus Taylor,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: has also issued a statement on Twitter. He's written, pleased
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to hear that the Prime Minister is safe and well
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: after being evacuated from his residence in Canberra. Threats against
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: any parliamentarian are utterly abhorrent, especially in a country built
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: on expressing our differences through debate. So if you're just
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: catching up to this breaking story, The Australian Federal Police
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: released this statement about an hour ago. They said that
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: at six pm today, twenty fourth of February, the AFP
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: responded to an alleged security incident within the Act. A
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: thorough search of a protection establishment was undertaken and nothing
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: suspicious was located. There's no current threat to the community
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: or to public safety and further information will be provided
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: at an appropriate time. So, as I said, obviously this
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: story broke too late for all of Tomorrow's papers, but
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: stay tuned to Sky News for all the latest on
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: this developing story throughout the night. Let's get to what
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: we do know of tomorrow's papers, Caleb, before this story broke,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: tell us what the Australia look like.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Indeed, here are the first edition front pages on the
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: front of the OZ tomorrow. Of course it's got there
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: the beginning of the Anti Semitism Royal Commission that kicked
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: off today and will be covering that as it goes
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: on on Sky News. But above that an interesting little story.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Our mate Julian Hill is back here. He's found a
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: hill He's willing to die on it, says Labor Left
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: urged to step to the right on Australia Day and
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: extremism progressives must embrace Australia Day and ensure the nation's
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: flag is not surrendered to be used as propaganda for
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: the hard right government.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Front bench of Julian Hill sees.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: As part of an extraordinary blueprint on how Labour should
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: tackle booming support for populist right wing parties that includes
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: calling out radical Islamist ideologies. As paul In Hanson's One
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Name surpasses the Coalition in the polls and edges towards
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Labour's primary vote, The Assistant Multicultural Minister will use a
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: speech to the mckill Institute on Wednesday to urge the
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: left not to demonize those who attend March for Australia
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: rallies and rather recognize they deserve to be listened to
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: rather than dismissed. Thankst Over, some cohorts coming into Australia
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: and continuing to follow unacceptable cultural practices such as gender
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: segregation and forced marriage must also be called out, Mister
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Hill says, warning that progressives must not fall into the
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: trap of failing to acknowledge real concerns over such issues.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: And he's having a bit of a gathern usome moment here,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: it would seem he's recognizing that the cultural z Artgast
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: has moved a little bit, and that if the left
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: wants to remain relevant and doesn't want to fall into
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: the same trap that the Liberal Party to some degree
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: has fallen into, it has to take these issues seriously
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: because they are issues that real Australians care about.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Do you think it's the cultural that cusis shift or
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: do you think it's because Australians have just kind of
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: woken up, like forced marriage. Nobody in this country, I believe,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: wants forced marriage or any of the things outlined in
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: that story. It's not like they've not been happening in
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: the past. But I feel like there's a blessing in
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: the curse of peace, not pieces in like wartime piece,
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: but Australians have had it pretty good for a very
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: very long time. And I feel like a lot of
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: the uncertainty economic uncertainty of the last few years has
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: shaken a lot of complacency. And I wonder, I wonder
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: if it's a bit of that, not just the you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: some sort of idea that culturally it's shifted, although obviously
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: it has. The polls have said that around one nation.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: In our previous discussion.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: If you look at Julian's Hill's comments that he's going
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to make. He does seem to acknowledge that the Labor
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Party have left a vacuum by not embracing Australia Day,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: by not having the flag front and center, they've allowed
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: extremists to use and abuse those symbols. And so he's saying, look,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: if we don't re embrace things like Australia Day and
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the flag, then we're going to continue to allow our
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: national symbols, our national days, our cultures, our traditions to
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: be abused and debased. And if we allow that, what
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: are we left with?
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: And I think it's also this, I honestly think we
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: have this fantastic country, right. I'm a first generation Izzie.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: My dad came to Australia in nineteen fifty six on
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: a boat with my nan nah and his sister. Neither
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: of them had seen my grandfather in a couple of years.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: It's a story that is absolutely not unique. Hundreds and
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: hundreds of thousands of Australians have a similar story and
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: variations on that theme up until today. In today's context,
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: we love this country. It's a brilliant country. Labor and
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: the Progressive Left have, for whatever reason, develop this sense
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: of self loathing and hatred for things that are like
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: denigrating the great things about this country. I don't understand it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: I've never understood it. They are getting a reality check
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: because people, we know how great it is here. Yep,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: great it can be.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, let's go to the front page of
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph. What a front page is? It is
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: exclusive hate hunters, reads the headline. New squad of two
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty cops to fight race attacks. A crack
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: new squad of two hundred and fifty cops armed with
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: high powered rifles will work around the clock to ensure
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: a rapid response to hate crimes in Sydney. Following the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Bondai terror attack, the Men's government will today announce the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: permanent twenty four to seventeen tasked with tackling a concerning
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: rise in religiously motivated incidents. Well, I'll tell you what
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: that front page combined with. And as I said, we
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: don't know what the threat was to Anthony Albanezi will
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: find out more through the night or tomorrow. But that
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: front page and the events of this evening is an
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: interesting combination.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: And I suppose it's a sort of visual cue of
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: how the country has changed. I mean obviously in the
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: days after Bondai and we had the Adelaide test where,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: for the first time I can think of, they had
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: you know, police officers with rifles out the front Madelaide Oval.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: They then did the same at the MCG for the
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Boxing Day testimon These are things that we just sort
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: of haven't had to look at or deal with in
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Australia before, and now we're here.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're very confronting. Like you said, it's a really
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: big elephant dart to the head around. This is where
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: this country is at right now, Australia. We need a
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: radical course.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Correction, all right. The other story on the front page
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of the Daily Telegraph a sad one cruel end to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: kidnap saga, a carpet and blood in a burnt out
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to Otter Corolla with the clues which led police to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the discarded remains of eighty five year old kidnap victim
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Chris Bagsarian yesterday. His body was found in a paddock
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: beside a golf course at pitt Town, eleven days after
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he was kidnapped in a case of mistaken identity. His
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: captors were told they had the wrong man, but persisted
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: with brutal acts of torture before his death. His distraught
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: family said he was a simple and loving man. So
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: an absolutely tragic story on the front page of.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: The Telly unbelievable, especially given the day to received cor
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: respondence from the bloke that they were targeting, who said,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: you've got the wrong man. The police have been pleading
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: to return and because they had the wrong man and
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: he's turned up dead. I mean, how unless you've completely
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: locked yourself out from the world, how did you not
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: know it was the wrong man? And why do you
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: do that to an innocent man? Well, you know it
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: would have been innocent whoever was targeted, but an innocent
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: man who had nothing to do with whatever they were
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: trying to achieve.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: No answers from me, but I do have the herald
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: s son in front of me, and I do have
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: to put my glasses on. So fifty two years old
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: people living the dream. This big story on the front
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: page of the Herald's Sun Capital gain exclusive libs to
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: supersized city center and fast track out of metropolitan housing
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: estates in key election vower. This is a big one
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: because we know that Victoria is in financial dia straits
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: and cost of living in housing is at the center
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: of that. Carlie Douglas reports here. The Liberal Party has
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: unveiled its two pronged attack on the state's housing crisis,
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: with plans to superside Melbourne City Center and fast track
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: estates on the outer metropolitan fringes. The Bold vision is
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: being touted as an alternative to Labour's push to blanket
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: Melbourne's middle ring suburbs with high rise towers oppositionally to
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: Jess Wilson will unveil the key election promise at The
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: Herald Sun's Future Victoria summit today. Under the plant, Melbourne's
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: Capital City Zone, which includes the CBD, Docklands and parts
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: of South Bank, would be expanded to include North Melbourne,
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Fisherman's Bend, all of south Bank, Parkville, Fitzroy and Collingwood.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: Eminently sensible to me, rather than whacking high rises all
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: through the middle urbs.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: That's right, Baggara Fitzroy. That's all I here about.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: The other interesting story on the front page of the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Herald's Sun. Anthony Albanizi tomorrow will put his weight behind
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: a fast rail link between Melbourne and Sydney.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: So if it's like a fretcher, Rosa, I'm there, copper Oa, Demanda.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: We're to go to a break. If you've ever dreamed
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: of owning your own pub. After the break, boy, do
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: we have a deal for you. Well, as we all know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of niggle between Donald Trump and Canadians.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Trump threatening to make Canada the fifty first state of
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the US. The Canadians responded by saying that Donald Trump's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: America was a greater threat to their security than Russia.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And so it went back and forwards. But how many
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of you know the real issue is ice hockey. That's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: when things truly get serious. And so the US and
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Canadian teams met in the final of the Winter Olympic
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: ice hockey competition. Now Justin Trudeau tweeted, you can't take
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: our country and you can't take our game. But unfortunately
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: for Trudeau, the US prevailed two to one over the
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Canadians to win the gold medal, and Donald Trump created
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: this little tribute to all his friends in Canada, spreads
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the mass. I'll tell you what, no one trolls like
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: It's the best. We take him seriously, but not literally.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: The most exercise he's done in a long time, and
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: it came by AI.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: So talking about things that don't make a lot of sense,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: because that certainly made no sense to me. Some of
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: you may be in the same bucket that I'm in.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: There's a Puerto Rican American rapper slash singer, slash super
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Bowl star called Bad Bunny. I had never heard of
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Bad Bunny until two weeks ago, and I was talking
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: to my beautiful niece about him in Perth. Well, Bad
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: Bunny has charted a Quantus flight to carry him and
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: his substantial entourage to Sydney from Sal Paula at an
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: estimated cost of a million bucks a million dollars. Plane
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: spot is called out the unusual a three to eighty
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: flight by the Quantus super Jumbo. The rapper, singer and
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: occasional wrestler fellas so he's quite the reconteur and quite
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: the multitasker. Came to Australia for a concert. Obviously. His
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: real name is Benito Antonio Martinez or Cassio. And you
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: say that weld when you are an ethnic person or
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: of ethnic extraction as I am. Look, I mean, if
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: he's not, if he's if he's not a climate activist,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: I don't care as long as he's not lecturing me
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: about miamission. He can fly whatever he wants, where every wants.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: He's got himself the biggest plane in the world, so
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: you know, puts Air Force one to shame, doesn't it. Hey,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: before we go, if you fancy yourself as a publican,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: you might want to go up to Uramo in Queensan. Now,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: this is a town that floods as much as once
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: a year, and so this pub, which you can get
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: your hands on for eight hundred and fifty grand, actually
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: turns into a sort of yacht club. And all the
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: locals who would ordinarily walk down to the pub their
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: boats out as you can see, and for a bit
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: of refuge go down to the pub for a drink.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: So you can buy yourself prime waterfront property, hospitality, you know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: day or night, all over the years.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's on land, sometimes it's in the water. Get
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: around it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: I'll go your halves.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Who's going to pull the beers?
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: I can pull a beer? Are a woman of many talents.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Right there you go. We'll see who purchased it. As
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: we reported earlier, the Prime Minister is now back safely
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: in the lodge, having been evacuated earlier in the evening
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: after an undisclosed security threat. Don't Go Anywhere. Coming up
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: right now is a special edition of Newsnight, Good Night,