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Mom fights back, beats up man trying to carjack minivan and kids · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: It was just an ordinary Friday afternoon, the mother walked
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Speaker 1: out of CBS with her two kids. She put them
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Speaker 1: in the backseat of the vehicle, even though her locks
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Speaker 1: didn't always work. She never even imagined that somebody could
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Speaker 1: be hiding in the back. You don't come after people
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Speaker 1: with kids. And I told him that he messed with
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Speaker 1: the wrong. Which that wrong, which is named Dorothy Baker,
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Speaker 1: is of her quick thinking. Two year old Jaden and
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Speaker 1: five year old Xavier are safe tonight. They were all
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Speaker 1: shopping at CBS when police say fifty four old Ismail
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Speaker 1: Martinez hidden their unlocked van. He popped up out of
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Speaker 1: the back seat and said that if I didn't want
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Speaker 1: my kids to get hurt, that I would do exactly
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Speaker 1: what he said. Don't mess with Texas, or at least
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Speaker 1: a Texas mommy. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I am writing a book,
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Speaker 1: a nonfiction about how to stop crime, and I've been
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Speaker 1: pouring over facts and statistics and this name popped up,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, And when I read her story, I have
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Speaker 1: to share it with you. It could just save your life.
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Speaker 1: How many times have I walked into the efforts as
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Speaker 1: I call every single drug store I go into, whether
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Speaker 1: it's Right eight or Walgrains or CBS, I call it
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Speaker 1: all the eckert We were going into Eckerd's. We came
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Speaker 1: out and I realized I had not launched my car,
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe that I had done that. How
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Speaker 1: many times moms have you done that? Dad's well, Dorothy
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Speaker 1: Baker came out of the CVS, took off with her
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Speaker 1: two little boys, and was attacked by a man in
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Speaker 1: the way back, the far back seat, and with me
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Speaker 1: right now to tell the story herself. She lived to
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Speaker 1: tell the tale the mom who not only fought back
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Speaker 1: against a carjacker, she put him in the hospital. I
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Speaker 1: could not be happier. Dorothy Baker. Welcome, Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, and thank you for having me. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Dorothy Baker. I appreciate your long pause when
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Speaker 1: you said he missed with the wrong which but I
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Speaker 1: want to hear the whole story from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: First of all, you're going to the CVS. Was it
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Speaker 1: in broad daylight? It was, yes, it was broad daylight.
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Speaker 1: What time of the day was it. It was towards
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Speaker 1: the morning. It was probably around time o'clock that morning.
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Speaker 1: Dang I mean also joining me Crime online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Nicole Parton, juvenile judge and lawyer, founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott, hit show host,
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Speaker 1: investigation Discovery Fatal Vows. Dr Brian Russell, and forensics expert
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, forensics
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Speaker 1: professor Jacksonville State University. It's hard to believe, Ashley Wilcott.
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Speaker 1: First thing in the morning, coming out of the CVS,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be ready for a PERV in the back
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Speaker 1: seat of your car. That's kind of hard to take in.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine? And you have a two year old,
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Speaker 1: the five year old, which of us wouldn't freak out?
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Speaker 1: And you don't imagine that, You think that would never
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Speaker 1: happen to you, And you know here she gets in
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Speaker 1: the car and look who's hidden in the car. Well,
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Speaker 1: don't mess with Texas. I just can't say it enough.
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Speaker 1: Baytown mom Dorothy Baker takes two of her six children.
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Speaker 1: You deserve a metal lady with her to CVS. When
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Speaker 1: she got back in the car with her children, a
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Speaker 1: PERV is hiding inside with a knife. So Dorothy, you
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Speaker 1: go into the CVS and you come back. You've got
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Speaker 1: you two little boys. What happened? Then I got him
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Speaker 1: in the car. We went through the driver's side, um,
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Speaker 1: front seat, and I had him climb over the seat,
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Speaker 1: and my five year old was buckling up my um
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Speaker 1: my two year old and we take off. And what
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Speaker 1: kind of car is it? It was a It was
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Speaker 1: a dodged Grand Caravan. It was a Miniman. So you
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Speaker 1: have a mini van like me? Okay? Um, as I
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Speaker 1: always say. Lucy asked me the other day, Dorothy, Mom,
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Speaker 1: where we ever get in a new car? And I said, no, never.
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Speaker 1: This is our car for the rest of our lives.
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Speaker 1: We called the war Wagon. Um. So you're getting into
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Speaker 1: a van and you all get in on the driver's side.
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Speaker 1: Now does it have one of those instant door openers
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Speaker 1: where you just pushed the button and it opens. No,
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Speaker 1: it didn't have that. Um, but my key fob, I
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Speaker 1: guess there there was some kind of deep factory default
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Speaker 1: or something like that or defect. And when you would
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Speaker 1: press so the key fob to lock the doors, the
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Speaker 1: doors looked locked, but they didn't always lock. And I
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Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't aware of that. Jackie Howard here in
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Speaker 1: the studio is saying that happened to her. So you
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Speaker 1: all get in. We do that too. I like everybody
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Speaker 1: to get in on one side because I try to
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Speaker 1: park on the side where there's not the track thick.
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Speaker 1: So we get in on the side without traffic. So
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Speaker 1: we also all get in on one side. So they
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Speaker 1: get in Dodge caravan on your side, the driver's side,
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Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure that you did not go and
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Speaker 1: search the far back. And you get in. They put
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Speaker 1: on their seatbelts, and then what happened? I drive away,
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Speaker 1: and um, my son, my my oldest boy, decided that
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Speaker 1: he was gonna um unbuckles seatbelt to try to get
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Speaker 1: the donuts, and I told him to sit down. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, how do donuts get into this? Where were
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Speaker 1: the donuts? Um? We had actually saw the man at
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Speaker 1: Kroger's right across the street. I went to Kroger's first.
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Speaker 1: You saw him at Kroger Yeah, And I was walking
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Speaker 1: into Kroger's because, um, I I was going to grab
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Speaker 1: a few items and then turning a red box DDD
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Speaker 1: And did you say Kroger's with an S on the end? Yes,
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Speaker 1: See Okay, no body. I thought nobody did that, But
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Speaker 1: everyone in my hometown of Mecan, Georgia either says Kroger's
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Speaker 1: or the Kroger's. Okay, so I say it too. I
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Speaker 1: have been corrected. All right, So you see this guy
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Speaker 1: in kroger All right? Then what happened? Um? Well, when
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Speaker 1: when I first saw him, I had to pass by him,
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Speaker 1: I thought maybe he might have been a worker. But
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Speaker 1: um like the feeling that I got when I saw him,
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Speaker 1: my whole body just kind of moved away from him,
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Speaker 1: like I don't need to be around him. He had
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Speaker 1: a very um bad vibe if if you can believe that.
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Speaker 1: Hold on right there. I hate to keep interrupting you,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, but you're just giving me so much information.
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Speaker 1: I'm like drinking from a fire hydrant on. Hold On,
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, and you and all
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Speaker 1: your degrees. Very often I think you pooh pooh me
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Speaker 1: when I say people have a gut reaction, and I
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Speaker 1: say that quote hunch is bred born of thousands of
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Speaker 1: years of evolution. Things that you notice that you may
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Speaker 1: not even realize you notice. I mean, we're not at
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Speaker 1: the top of the food chain for nothing. Dr Brian. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so there's something about this guy that rubs her the
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Speaker 1: wrong way that she just physically wanted to get away
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Speaker 1: from him in as she says Kroger's what about that?
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian, I don't disagree with anything that you just said.
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Speaker 1: I don't pooh pooh that at all. And I love
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Speaker 1: this woman. I love this woman. I think she's a hero.
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Speaker 1: And I think you know anybody who thinks that there's
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with this or God forbid, as we've seen
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Speaker 1: in a couple of similar cases where people think, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: we have to we can't have vigilantis and we have
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Speaker 1: to file some charges against this woman. Come on, the
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Speaker 1: law should be. It should be that you try to
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Speaker 1: carjack a woman and her kids, she gets to run
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Speaker 1: you down. Height long story short, this is self defense
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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: She says. Martinez waved around a large night He directed
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Speaker 1: her through nearby neighborhoods, demanding she stopped at an a
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Speaker 1: T M. Baker kept driving, but used one hand to
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Speaker 1: try to call nine wall one. He climbed over the
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Speaker 1: seat on top of me, and he was trying to
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Speaker 1: get my phone. When Baker refused, she says, Martinez got violent,
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Speaker 1: slashing her chest and biting her hand. And I took
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Speaker 1: my fist and I hit him in the face and
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Speaker 1: I told him to get out of my car. Once
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Speaker 1: he got out, this mother rebbed her engine. Before she
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Speaker 1: knew it, her would be attacker was scream from underneath
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Speaker 1: her car. I didn't mean to run him over. I
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Speaker 1: was just trying to stop him so he didn't hurt
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Speaker 1: anybody else. He's my hero. Take her anywhere, Take her anywhere.
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Speaker 1: Twice on Sunday, Martinez was lifelighted to Memorial Herman Hospital
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Speaker 1: with serious injuries. And that's what matters. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: Katie r K t VS Pougia Lodia talking about superstar
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, who saved her two little boys, two of six.
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Speaker 1: I might actually needs a medal for that. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing Charles Flusions talking right now with us Dorothy Baker.
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Speaker 1: Dorothy goes into CVS with two of her little boys,
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Speaker 1: ages two and five, I believe, comes out, gets in
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Speaker 1: the car. She thought her Dodge Caravan was locked. It wasn't.
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Speaker 1: They all get in, they drive off and suddenly this
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Speaker 1: PERV that she had just spotted in Kroger emerges from
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Speaker 1: the back seat. That's what I want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Dorothy again, thank you for being with us. How did
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Speaker 1: you first realize this freak was in your car? Um?
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Speaker 1: What I told my five year old son at the time. Um,
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Speaker 1: he got up to get some donuts and I told
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Speaker 1: him to sit down. Well, when he went to sit
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Speaker 1: back down, he actually saw the guy and he said, hey,
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Speaker 1: who are you Stars? And I looked in my rear
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Speaker 1: view mirror, and that's when he grabbed my son and
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Speaker 1: put the knife to my son's throat. Dorothy, right now,
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Speaker 1: I have got chills on both of my arms and
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Speaker 1: legs just that. I remember one time John David had
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Speaker 1: had a blow to the head on a basketball court,
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Speaker 1: a really bad one. He was in the hospital for
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Speaker 1: four days and we thought he was okay. Then about
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Speaker 1: two or three weeks later, I was put him in
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Speaker 1: Lucy to bed and he went, I see two mommy's
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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that feeling, because I thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: my stars, he's got a slow bleed to his brain.
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Speaker 1: Luckily that is not what happened, but that moment you
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Speaker 1: hear that sentence and it sticks with you forever, and
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Speaker 1: you heard your little boy say hey, who are you?
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Speaker 1: And then what happened? Well, I was I was kind
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Speaker 1: of shocked. I gasped, and um. The first thought in
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Speaker 1: my head, I mean, he's got a knife to your
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Speaker 1: son's throat. For the first thought in my head was
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Speaker 1: still panic, um, because I knew if I, if I panicked,
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Speaker 1: none of us were getting out of their lives at all.
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Speaker 1: There was there was no way. Um My. My second
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Speaker 1: thought was he really messed up. You don't You don't
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Speaker 1: mess with my kids at all. So, um, I but
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Speaker 1: at that point, you're are you actually you're driving and
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Speaker 1: he's in the back or the middle state with a
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Speaker 1: knife to your son's throat. Yeah, what did he say?
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Speaker 1: I asked him? I said what do you want? And
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Speaker 1: he said, UM, you're gonna do what I what I
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Speaker 1: tell you to do, or your kids are going to
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Speaker 1: get hurt. And I said, so what do you want?
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Speaker 1: He said, I need some money and I said I
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Speaker 1: don't have any cash on me. He said, well, you're
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Speaker 1: going to figure out how to get it or your
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Speaker 1: kids are gonna get hurt. And I said, okay. At
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Speaker 1: this point, we're in the parking lot, or were you
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Speaker 1: on the highway. No, I was I was actually driving
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Speaker 1: through the neighborhood almost to my house, and um almost stars,
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness, you didn't get all the way to your
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Speaker 1: house and he gets in your house. So then what happens?
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Speaker 1: I turned him? I turned away, and my first thought
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Speaker 1: was to go back to Kroger's because it's a populated area. Um.
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Speaker 1: I knew I needed to get around more people, um,
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Speaker 1: because I'd have a better chance and my kids would
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Speaker 1: have a better chance at surviving the situation. Um. But
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Speaker 1: then he told me not to go back to Kroger's.
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Speaker 1: So he figured out what you were doing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you're the forensics expert. She's driving, she's
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Speaker 1: got another child, and he's got a knife to the
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Speaker 1: little boy's throat. I mean, what could she do at
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Speaker 1: that point she's driving. I mean, if she tried to
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Speaker 1: jump out of the car, he could kill the ball,
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Speaker 1: or the car could be you know, just take on
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Speaker 1: a life of its own and kill everybody in it.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, you're kind of in a lose lose situation here.
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Speaker 1: I am absolutely amazed by this woman's bravery and just
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Speaker 1: how cool she is in this moment, Tom, But I
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Speaker 1: think that that uh, that cool that you here is
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Speaker 1: kind of a steely vengeance. It's about to be visited
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Speaker 1: upon this guy to Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, and all of this started at the local
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Speaker 1: CVS across the street from Kroger, right, something that most
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Speaker 1: of us, as moms do weekly. We go out to
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Speaker 1: a local area. We think we're safe, we think we're shopping,
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Speaker 1: we think everything's gonna be okay. We go out and
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Speaker 1: we're suddenly attacked. It can happen to any of us
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Speaker 1: at any time. Unfortunately. What's so amazing is a she lived,
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Speaker 1: but b was she first saw this guy in Kroger.
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Speaker 1: She knew too. She felt physically moved to just get
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Speaker 1: away from him. So, Dorothy, here you are. You're back
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Speaker 1: in your neighborhood. He's got a knife to your son's throat.
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Speaker 1: He tells you don't go back to Kroger. What do
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Speaker 1: you do? Um? I keep him talking. I keep looking
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Speaker 1: at my rear view mirrorsm driving. UM, I slow down
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Speaker 1: my speed. UM. I mean, it's only twenty miles through
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Speaker 1: the name hood, but I I slow down significantly. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm creeping, probably going about ten maybe fifteen miles
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Speaker 1: an hour, because I need as much time as possible
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Speaker 1: to assess how I'm going to give him away from
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Speaker 1: my kids and up into the front seat with me.
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Speaker 1: That's my only objective at at this particular time. Um,
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Speaker 1: I need him away from my kids. And he's given
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Speaker 1: me directions. Oh, he's giving you directions. You know another thing,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, Texas Mom. He only you only saw him
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Speaker 1: because your son said, hey, who are you? He was
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Speaker 1: back there. I guarantee you trying to get to your home.
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Speaker 1: And the Lord only knows what would have been unleashed
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Speaker 1: if this guy had gotten into your home with you
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Speaker 1: and your children had gotten you in there. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. The men in her VAM, police say
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Speaker 1: was Ismail Martinez. He threatened Baker and her kids with
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Speaker 1: a knife. He was looking for two us. I told
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Speaker 1: him I didn't have any cash, and he said I
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Speaker 1: better figure out a way to get some or he
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Speaker 1: was gonna hurt my kids. Baker knew she had to
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Speaker 1: act fast. Martinez, she said, climbed into the front seat
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Speaker 1: and was standing in the middle attacking her while she drove.
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Speaker 1: As KPRC TVs Jennifer Bower. How did he get from
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Speaker 1: the bat up to the front seat, Dorothy. When he
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Speaker 1: was giving me directions, he asked me to take a
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Speaker 1: left on a street on East James Um, and that
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Speaker 1: left turn would have more than likely ended our lives.
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Speaker 1: And I know this. He wanted me to go to
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Speaker 1: an A T M at a gas station that was
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Speaker 1: very rarely ever used. There wouldn't have been any way
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Speaker 1: for me to get help. Um, it's it's mostly abandoned
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Speaker 1: during the day except for the cashier. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: know if the cameras worked. And all I thought was,
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Speaker 1: I'm not leaving you in the kids in the car
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Speaker 1: with my kids. You're not going to get out and
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Speaker 1: follow me into the into the gas stations. So this
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Speaker 1: is not gonna work. So instead of making that left,
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Speaker 1: I made a right and he got mad, asked me
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Speaker 1: if I was crazy. He said, lady, are you crazy?
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Speaker 1: You're trying to get your kids hurt. Well, as he's
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Speaker 1: saying that, he's climbing over the seats and into the
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Speaker 1: front seat with me, And that was all that mattered
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Speaker 1: to me at the time. Why because he was away
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Speaker 1: from my kids? Yeah, you I can't do anything. I
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Speaker 1: can't I can't help my kids if he's right there
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Speaker 1: VAM Police say was Ismael Martinez. He threatened Baker and
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Speaker 1: her kids with a knife. He was looking for two
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Speaker 1: hundred bucks. I told him I didn't have any cash,
22:14
Speaker 1: and he said I better figure out a way to
22:15
Speaker 1: get some or he was gonna hurt my kids. Baker
22:19
Speaker 1: knew she had to act fast. Martinez, she said, climbed
22:22
Speaker 1: into the front seat and was standing the middle attacking
22:26
Speaker 1: her while she drove, So you managed to get him
22:29
Speaker 1: away from the children when you take that right turn
22:32
Speaker 1: when he ordered you to take a left to it
22:34
Speaker 1: pretty much? Um I want I want to say rural,
22:37
Speaker 1: but deserted to an a t M where hardly anyone
22:41
Speaker 1: goes at a gas station. You didn't want to do that.
22:44
Speaker 1: I can't believe you had the wherewithal to turn right.
22:48
Speaker 1: And he jumps in the front seat with you and
22:50
Speaker 1: a knife and attacks you. Dorothy Baker, What happened while
22:54
Speaker 1: I'm I mean before that, while I'm driving, I'm trying
22:57
Speaker 1: to dial nine one one without him seeing me with
22:59
Speaker 1: my phone, and when he ends up jumping into the
23:02
Speaker 1: climbing over the seats and into the front seat. He
23:04
Speaker 1: saw me with my phone and he tried to get it,
23:07
Speaker 1: and I moved my hand, but I hit my hand
23:10
Speaker 1: on the door and my phone dropped in between the
23:12
Speaker 1: door and the seat, and he's trying to get it.
23:15
Speaker 1: I'm trying to drive, and when he realized he couldn't
23:18
Speaker 1: get it, that's when he tries to slit my throat
23:21
Speaker 1: and I'm fighting him, trying to drive, and my kids
23:25
Speaker 1: are screaming in the back seat. I'm trying to keep
23:27
Speaker 1: the knife away from any part of my body. And
23:30
Speaker 1: I see a telephone pole on the right hand side
23:33
Speaker 1: of the road, and my first thought is he's not
23:37
Speaker 1: wearing a seatbelt. If I hit that pole, if I
23:40
Speaker 1: go fast enough, he'll go through the windshield if I
23:43
Speaker 1: if I don't go fast enough, he'll at least hit
23:45
Speaker 1: his head hard enough to where he may maybe dazed.
23:47
Speaker 1: And I can fight him off. And and finished talking
23:51
Speaker 1: to our calling do something, Um, so I swerve up
23:55
Speaker 1: into the grass man Dorothy tom Cras could use you
23:58
Speaker 1: on mission impossible. So you have the wherewithal? I can't
24:02
Speaker 1: believe this. You have the wherewithal. This guy is trying
24:05
Speaker 1: to slit your throat. As a matter of fact, he
24:08
Speaker 1: slashes you all the way across your chest, over your heart.
24:12
Speaker 1: You have the wherewithal to say, there's a telephone pole.
24:15
Speaker 1: We all have on our seatbelts. He doesn't. How did
24:18
Speaker 1: you keep the knife away from your neck? Um, I'm
24:22
Speaker 1: driving with one hand and I'm constantly switching hands depending
24:25
Speaker 1: on on where the knife was. I was constantly switching hands,
24:29
Speaker 1: keeping my hand one hand on the steering wheel and
24:32
Speaker 1: the other hand fighting. Really, it was my right hand
24:35
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm right handed, so um, I was mainly
24:39
Speaker 1: using my right hand to fight him off. UM, and
24:42
Speaker 1: I managed to push him and so he went for
24:45
Speaker 1: your throat. He went for your throat with a knife.
24:48
Speaker 1: He went for my throat first, and then um tried
24:51
Speaker 1: my side and then my legs. Um. He he was
24:54
Speaker 1: trying to do some damage. He was not just messing around.
24:59
Speaker 1: So um. So how he slashed you all the way
25:03
Speaker 1: across your chest at the time, when you were slashed
25:05
Speaker 1: with a knife across your chest, over your heart, did
25:08
Speaker 1: you even feel the pain or were you in shot?
25:11
Speaker 1: What happened? I didn't feel anything, um, but I thought
25:16
Speaker 1: bigger and better batter than you have tried to end me.
25:20
Speaker 1: And it's not going down like this. So um when
25:26
Speaker 1: so you make for the telephone, thank you? And I
25:28
Speaker 1: missed it. I was mad, um, but I slammed on
25:33
Speaker 1: the brakes and uh it kind of gave him, gave
25:37
Speaker 1: enough momentum where I could push him into the passenger
25:39
Speaker 1: seat and I put it in park and I'm and
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm earnestly trying to get his knife away
25:46
Speaker 1: from him. It wasn't just the knife, It wasn't just
25:50
Speaker 1: the knife attacked Listen. She struggled to get the knife
25:53
Speaker 1: away and says Martinez bitter. She has the marks on
25:56
Speaker 1: her hand to prove it. When I managed to push
25:58
Speaker 1: him off, landed with his back against my passenger seat,
26:02
Speaker 1: and that's when I took my fist and I punched
26:04
Speaker 1: him in the face and I told him to get
26:05
Speaker 1: out of my car. Martinez did, and while he ran away,
26:08
Speaker 1: Baker hit him with her car. That wasn't my intention.
26:12
Speaker 1: I was trying to stop him so he didn't hurt
26:14
Speaker 1: anybody else, and he messed the throng woman. And you
26:18
Speaker 1: don't come after a woman with kids. I just can't
26:20
Speaker 1: even take in, Ashley Willcott everything she's saying. You get
26:25
Speaker 1: in your car from CVS in the middle of the
26:28
Speaker 1: it's ten in the morning, and drive off, and only
26:32
Speaker 1: when your son unlocks the seatbelt and tries to get
26:35
Speaker 1: in the back to get the donuts and says, hey,
26:38
Speaker 1: who are you do? You find out a purv is
26:41
Speaker 1: in the back with a knife, grabs your son, holds
26:45
Speaker 1: it to his throat and demands money. It's it's like
26:52
Speaker 1: a horrible movie, Ashley. You can't even imagine the shock
26:55
Speaker 1: that you would experience, but I would say this a
26:57
Speaker 1: couple of things won a ball. First of all, I'm
26:59
Speaker 1: a Texas girl. I'm so proud of this lady because
27:01
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Second of all, which of us as
27:04
Speaker 1: parents wouldn't do whatever we have due to protect our children.
27:07
Speaker 1: I think that's the significant piece here. She had two
27:09
Speaker 1: children in the car. You're gonna do whatever it takes
27:12
Speaker 1: as a mama bear to protect your children, and she
27:15
Speaker 1: was brave enough to do it. To Brian Russell, Dr.
27:18
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of I d S Fatal Vows,
27:22
Speaker 1: I mean you brought up some people call this vigilante justice.
27:26
Speaker 1: I say it's self defense, no jury in their First
27:29
Speaker 1: of all, any prosecutor that put this lady up to
27:31
Speaker 1: the grand jury to get her indicted for running the
27:33
Speaker 1: guy down, he would be voted. He she would be
27:36
Speaker 1: voted out of office next term, and a jury would
27:40
Speaker 1: laugh the prosecutor out of court. No way. She needs
27:43
Speaker 1: a medal, not a felony charge of running the guy down.
27:47
Speaker 1: I'm glad she ran him down. Brian, and too and
27:50
Speaker 1: I this this is something that you know, you and
27:52
Speaker 1: I have talked about before. I can't understand how anybody
27:57
Speaker 1: listening to this could see it differently than But unfortunately
28:01
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm continually amazed in this country that
28:04
Speaker 1: there are people who will see this and go, well,
28:07
Speaker 1: we can't have that. We're gonna have to make a
28:10
Speaker 1: statement here that we're not going after people on our
28:14
Speaker 1: own taking the launch our own hands. Come on, give
28:17
Speaker 1: me a break. This woman is a hero. I'll give
28:19
Speaker 1: her a medal and be done with it. What I'd
28:20
Speaker 1: to say about that is b S and that's a
28:23
Speaker 1: very technical legal term. Joseph Scott Morgan. Uh, she this
28:27
Speaker 1: case will be laughed out of court if somebody try
28:29
Speaker 1: to put a charge on and uh, particularly amongst our
28:33
Speaker 1: friends in Texas. Uh, I can I can see. I
28:37
Speaker 1: can see them laughing the sky or gal out of
28:40
Speaker 1: the out of the courthouse if they try to bring
28:42
Speaker 1: this four grand jury for an indictment. Um. Again, I
28:46
Speaker 1: am amazed at what she was doing. Look, vigilant. Vigilantism
28:50
Speaker 1: to me is like you make a plan, you go
28:52
Speaker 1: out and you you know, you go out and take revenge.
28:55
Speaker 1: This woman is acting, She is acting her her you
28:59
Speaker 1: know her, her her heart is pumping, she's thinking about
29:02
Speaker 1: fighting flight and she's gonna do whatever she has to
29:06
Speaker 1: do to protect her babies. And that's what this is
29:08
Speaker 1: all about, guys. If Smail Martinez gets a knife and
29:13
Speaker 1: gets into Dorothy Baker's backseat and waits, waits like a wolf,
29:18
Speaker 1: like a fox, like a coyote, for her and her
29:21
Speaker 1: little boys to get back in, well she turned the
29:24
Speaker 1: tables on him, Dorothy. After this guy bit, you attacked,
29:29
Speaker 1: you hit, you, try to slice your throat, your legs
29:33
Speaker 1: sliced across your heart and your chest. You punch him
29:37
Speaker 1: in the nose and somehow forced him out of the car.
29:42
Speaker 1: Then what happened, Well, he when he bit in my hand,
29:46
Speaker 1: he was he was trying to get me to let
29:47
Speaker 1: go of his knife because I had his nice by then. Um,
29:50
Speaker 1: and I've got the scars on my hand to prove. Wait,
29:52
Speaker 1: you manage to disarm Smail Martinez. You've got the knife
29:57
Speaker 1: away from from him, and and that's why you bit
30:00
Speaker 1: my hand. He did you punch him in the face?
30:02
Speaker 1: I did? I did you punch him in the face?
30:04
Speaker 1: I where did it land? I hope in the nose,
30:07
Speaker 1: because that really hurt. I had the knife in my
30:10
Speaker 1: right hand and he bit my hand. And when he
30:13
Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't gonna let go. He just kind
30:15
Speaker 1: of looked at me, and I switched the knife with
30:18
Speaker 1: from my right hand to my left hand, and I
30:21
Speaker 1: just pulled off and and punched him square in the jaw,
30:24
Speaker 1: and he looked at me shocked. Yeah, this whole thing
30:28
Speaker 1: had totally gone sideways for him. Listen, today, a family
30:32
Speaker 1: is safe because of one mother's brave act. You don't
30:35
Speaker 1: come after people with kids. And I told him that
30:38
Speaker 1: he messed with the wrong which Dorothy Baker and her
30:44
Speaker 1: two young children were shopping at a CBS and Baytown, Texas,
30:47
Speaker 1: when police say fifty four year old Ismael Martinez hid
30:51
Speaker 1: in Baker's unlocked van and he popped up out of
30:53
Speaker 1: the back seat and said that if I didn't want
30:58
Speaker 1: my kids to get hurt, that I would do exactly
31:01
Speaker 1: what he said. I didn't mean to run him over.
31:03
Speaker 1: I was just trying to stop him so he didn't
31:06
Speaker 1: hurt anybody else. So that's her story and she is
31:09
Speaker 1: sticking to it. You're hearing Katie r K t VS
31:13
Speaker 1: Pougia Lodia speaking with our superstar Dorothy Baker, who was
31:16
Speaker 1: with us right now. A carjacker sneaks into mommy's car
31:21
Speaker 1: as she's in the chords as I call it the CVS,
31:23
Speaker 1: where there are two little boys, two of six. When
31:26
Speaker 1: they get back in the car, he's hiding in the
31:28
Speaker 1: back seat with a knife. But not only did Dorothy
31:32
Speaker 1: Baker manage to punch him in the face, she wrestled
31:36
Speaker 1: the knife away from Ismael Martinez, kicks him out of
31:40
Speaker 1: the minivan and then whoopsie runs over him. So, Dorothy Baker,
31:47
Speaker 1: when all of this is happening and with me right
31:49
Speaker 1: now from Baytown, Texas, Dorothy Baker, what are your boys
31:52
Speaker 1: doing during all of this? Um? At some point, my
31:58
Speaker 1: my youngest at the time he was he had stopped crying. UM.
32:03
Speaker 1: And my five year old he actually hid. He really didn't,
32:07
Speaker 1: he didn't do much anything. He was in shock. I
32:10
Speaker 1: mean when when the guy grabbed him, I could see
32:14
Speaker 1: my like all the life go out of my son's face. Uh.
32:18
Speaker 1: So that was that was not a good it's not
32:20
Speaker 1: a good feeling. So UM, but my kids they were
32:24
Speaker 1: they were safe and they didn't get hurt. There was
32:27
Speaker 1: no no cuts on them, no, no nothing. Well, let
32:30
Speaker 1: me ask you, this one goes into basically shot mode,
32:33
Speaker 1: which one was in shock and which one was screaming
32:35
Speaker 1: his head off. My two year old he was the
32:37
Speaker 1: one in the car seat screaming, and my older boy,
32:41
Speaker 1: five year old, he was the one that went into shock.
32:43
Speaker 1: To Dorothy Baker joining me, Now do you remember the
32:47
Speaker 1: moment you hit the gas and mowed him down? Yeah?
32:50
Speaker 1: I do. I was watching him run away, and what
32:53
Speaker 1: went through my head was he was he was at Kroger's.
32:57
Speaker 1: He he was close enough to walk there. He didn't
32:59
Speaker 1: have a vehicle, he had a knife this time. What
33:02
Speaker 1: happens if I see him next time and he has
33:03
Speaker 1: a gun and I have all my kids, or what
33:06
Speaker 1: happens if there's a mother who doesn't it isn't going
33:10
Speaker 1: to be able to help her kids, and she panics
33:14
Speaker 1: and she's got a baby, and he goes after her.
33:17
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I'll be darned if I'm
33:21
Speaker 1: gonna let that happen and watch him walk away. And
33:25
Speaker 1: my intention was as he was running away, was I
33:29
Speaker 1: went after him, and I had my door to where
33:32
Speaker 1: I was going to open it and hit him with it.
33:34
Speaker 1: And when we were when I was driving behind him,
33:38
Speaker 1: he made a swerve and I had sped up just
33:43
Speaker 1: just right then at I guess the perfect time, and
33:46
Speaker 1: I heard him hit my tires, and the only thing
33:50
Speaker 1: I thought after that was, oh my god, I'm going
33:52
Speaker 1: to jail because I just killed this man. What's gonna
33:56
Speaker 1: happen to my kids? Dorothy, at that time, you had
33:59
Speaker 1: no idea that this guy had already done hard jail
34:03
Speaker 1: time on a rape conviction. No, I didn't know he
34:07
Speaker 1: was stalking you at the grocery store. Didn't matter that
34:11
Speaker 1: you had two little children. He got in your car
34:14
Speaker 1: with a knife, knowing you would get back in. He
34:16
Speaker 1: knew which car you got out of. He watched you
34:19
Speaker 1: leave Kroeger and grow across the street. He followed you,
34:23
Speaker 1: he got into your car and was waiting on you.
34:27
Speaker 1: I think the whole a t M thing was a ruse.
34:31
Speaker 1: I think he was after you or your children. Um
34:35
Speaker 1: to Nicole Parton joining me Crime online dot Com investigative
34:39
Speaker 1: reporter Martinez had already done hard jail time for rape.
34:43
Speaker 1: What happened to him after he gets run down by Dorothy?
34:46
Speaker 1: That's true. This guy obviously no saint a sexual offender.
34:50
Speaker 1: He had been jailed on this rape conviction. Um, But
34:53
Speaker 1: thanks to Dorothy, not anymore. He of course was injured.
34:57
Speaker 1: He was air flighted to the hospital where he was
34:59
Speaker 1: going to be charged once he was released from the hospital,
35:04
Speaker 1: pending the outcome. So this guy was life flighted. Yes,
35:07
Speaker 1: he was in serious condition for some reason. I'm not crying. Uh,
35:13
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker with us, Dorothy, when you got your children
35:19
Speaker 1: home and they were safe, what what did they want
35:24
Speaker 1: to know? What were their questions? Well, the two that
35:26
Speaker 1: were with me, they didn't really have any The other
35:28
Speaker 1: ones they were they were making sure that we were okay.
35:32
Speaker 1: You know, they saw the cuts and they asked me
35:35
Speaker 1: if I needed to go to the hospital, you know,
35:37
Speaker 1: if I was okay, if we just kind of um
35:42
Speaker 1: hugged and and we're happy that everybody was was safe.
35:47
Speaker 1: In the month, the weeks and months that followed the incident,
35:52
Speaker 1: How did that affect your boys? They were very reserved
35:56
Speaker 1: and even to this day, my two year old, he, um,
36:01
Speaker 1: he's very weary about people. He doesn't he doesn't like anybody. UM.
36:06
Speaker 1: So if he if he does, it's it's almost a miracle. Um.
36:12
Speaker 1: He's he's very quiet at school. UM. Even my ten
36:16
Speaker 1: year old he's he's very quiet. And there we just
36:20
Speaker 1: basically stay for ourselves. Honestly. Um, they go to school,
36:25
Speaker 1: I go to work, they come home, and that's that's
36:27
Speaker 1: pretty much the extent of our our lives. Do you
36:31
Speaker 1: feel that it changed your life? Yeah? It did. I mean,
36:35
Speaker 1: it's not something that you want to ever go through. UM.
36:41
Speaker 1: Lucky for me, I'm a I'm a chronic over overthinker
36:44
Speaker 1: and over analyzer. So, UM, I put myself in certain
36:49
Speaker 1: scenarios and try to figure out what I would do
36:52
Speaker 1: if this would happen. And mainly the conclusion that I
36:56
Speaker 1: always come to is if I panic, I'm not going
36:59
Speaker 1: to serve if any of the situations. Um. And that's
37:03
Speaker 1: one thing that you know, I want other people to
37:06
Speaker 1: understand is that no matter what happens, if you panic,
37:11
Speaker 1: it's gonna make a situation where you have to stay
37:13
Speaker 1: calm and clearheaded so you can think logically about what's
37:18
Speaker 1: going to happen and what you can do to get
37:21
Speaker 1: out of the situation. UM. That's that's the most important thing.
37:25
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not something that you you ever
37:30
Speaker 1: think could happen to you. Um. Has it changed the
37:34
Speaker 1: way that you behave or how you travel or how
37:38
Speaker 1: you go around with your children. It is. UM. It
37:42
Speaker 1: always did. I didn't drive my van and I actually
37:45
Speaker 1: got rid of it. UM. I still to this day,
37:48
Speaker 1: UM will not let my kids in the car until
37:50
Speaker 1: I've looked in the car. UM. I I'm always very
37:55
Speaker 1: um observance of my surroundings and the people around me. UM.
38:01
Speaker 1: I watch if they're following the earth, are going in
38:03
Speaker 1: the same direction. UM. If I feel like someone's following me,
38:07
Speaker 1: I'll make detours to see things like that. I mean,
38:11
Speaker 1: it's it's made me very very interesting of people. Just
38:15
Speaker 1: so you know, I have done a little research on
38:17
Speaker 1: Ismael Martinez, the same Ismael Martinez was sentenced to thirty
38:25
Speaker 1: years on aggravated robbery. He also had possession of an
38:33
Speaker 1: illegal substance, arson, burglary in the building, and rape. On
38:40
Speaker 1: the rape charge, he had gotten forty years, but he
38:43
Speaker 1: was out and about. When you look back on this,
38:48
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, what do you think I think if I
38:51
Speaker 1: would have made that left turn, I think he would
38:55
Speaker 1: have put to murder. To be honest with you, I don't.
38:59
Speaker 1: I don't think he had any intention of of allowing
39:02
Speaker 1: me or or my kids to go free. Dorothy Baker
39:06
Speaker 1: save not only her life, but the lives of her
39:09
Speaker 1: two little boys, and hopefully her story will save other lives.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye Friend,