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NFL draft expert drops by to grade Bears picks Pt. 1 · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by a fan side that you know my guy right there that is Alex Shapiro I am Kenneth Davis and you know the man the myth the legend that is Glen Morgan GM to the stars All right, you can see him with Tracy I mean we've with Stacy King I was basically Tracy King because I've a watching a lot of NBA playoffs I enjoyed Tracy McGrayty Yeah, but I got a lot of these round tables
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that'll be your extra point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be our extra point today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me have, of course, Glen Morgan, you can skip him on, give me the hot sauce with Stacy King and Mark Chernowski.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even more importantly, his own podcast, easy smoke and the GM.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find that wherever you can get your podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you follow Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's our guy, he's our GM.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like GM and but his GM and his.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's levels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some things I can't be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I may be at the 88, but now we're messing around with a 99.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's what we got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We bring this guy here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever college football you watch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Glenn no matter what he's watched 10 times more college football.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy is is watching college football watching it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he knows he knows the guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just happy I got a 99 mat and rating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you, you, you, you, also let me say this too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And saying that, that doesn't mean he can only do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, now let me point that out too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that's the only thing he's good at just to give him his props.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glenn, we got Bears draft to recap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We came one prior to the draft with us and we were fortunate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're coming back so we can discuss your thoughts on the bears and their draft and also to stay the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a little bit of news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a cornerbacks released, which is also interesting thinking about a guy in that being there all last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This seemed like it was a writing on the wall of Zopraish here, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to that in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's go all the way back to the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts, Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do your thoughts on one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You brought us two safeties, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a, I'm a, I'm a manual guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, MW, I was with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went with Dylan Theneman, thoughts on, thoughts on that pick one, where they picked him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also thoughts on, would you have went in that direction
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes, say everything, uh, uh, as far as, uh, going in that direction, yeah, I still would have a benefit when I was watching the draft, uh, I was watching with some friends and family, and I told my cousin, I said, look, man, if he's still up there, and it's all about dealing with the enemy, if he's still up there, run up there, take your card and run up there and get them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first one realizes that, you know, they let a really good player step to the fingers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that doesn't necessarily not taking him per se, but in the direction that they went when they took Caleb Banks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, really, at 18, I mean, with the foot injury, I mean, I can, it's a high risk high reward type kind of draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or a selection, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that they went and got another defensive tackle not too long after that, let's me know that even they were kind of trying to hedge their, you know, the fact that if he isn't,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We still got somebody in the give him a little bit more time to get more healthy, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's now, that's the issue that's to concern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the bears, I thought the position was still something regardless that they were looking at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that they took Dylan to me just kind of confirm that because as I was saying before, you need a position, a player to position that can come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Potentially start, especially with your corner with a first round or someone that can be a playmaker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's still in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still looking for playmakers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not you come in the start day one, through the course of the season, I need you playing as a first rounder and I need you contributing and I need your contributions to be playing making type.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if it's flashes, I still need to be something that I know that, okay, you're going to be a solid player going forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to look at his measurples and not come away thinking like, this dude can probably come in and start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was probably the only position really on the bears where you're going to get someone at 25 that was probably going to come in and start at that position wasn't going to be a quarterback wasn't going to be a wide receiver wasn't going to be, you know, maybe maybe left tackle arguably, arguably, but I don't necessarily know that a left tackle that they would have selected would necessarily beat out the ones that they already have, especially given the run on tackles, especially given them on tackles, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, but again, when you look at his athletic measurable and the fact that the production matched, you know, what is athleticism says it should is just another thing that's like, okay, it's it's too hard to walk away from this and as far as EMW goes, I was like, yeah, same position and I like, again, he went second round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he went to a Browns if I remember correctly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yes, you don't you not as tall, but.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And do your ass, if not more athletic, even more versatile, your ability to invent my thing and his ability to be able to play either safe to position in, you know, in any defensive back field position, really to be honest with you, but the corner slot, box, single high, all that stuff gives you so much ability to disguise your coverage as
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and you're going to need that because you don't have a person's favorite, that's the worst part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you say that, my fear is, oh my God, more blitzes from the D.B.s, because I can't get pressure, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let me just ask, and at one point, it's like, okay, we know that coming from out of the boundaries, they can't we, or do like, I'm sorry, but then, please give, please, no, no, but they may become from anywhere, but,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the billy for the defenders in the back, the, you know, they're able to make any exceptions and make plays on balls, would have you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's ideal, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not dealing with, yeah, deal with reality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so reality says, well, we got a really good throw second there, you know, we lost some key players, but we have more speed and athleticism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we can continue to do what we've been doing, you know, do something that we're, we can help out the front four, let's do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, the sky's in coverage,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Making the quarterback have to pause, making the quarterback have to maybe hesitate as to where he's going to go with the football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those kind of things maybe the secondary doesn't have to disguise to where the receivers run into coverage just run into areas where he's like, oh, I thought they're going to be open quarterback can't throw to ball that extra, you know, tick gives it time for a pressure or sack so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot that Dylan Thineman selection affords the bears to be able to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, again, any time you give me somebody to the fourth or three speed, what a 40 inch miracle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's the ability to play?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've actually seen that production, you know, come to fruition.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hard press not to go there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I really feel good about the selection and felt strong about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt even better when he fell to the bears and yeah, I just think that the bears overall what I would give them for me, I thought it was a be minus draft it took me a moment we took all these a moment because the next day the next day I was like really
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's the fact of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So me, Alex had a real coming to Jesus moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Alex, I don't know Moses Moses for my guy Alex, thank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing was Glenn, it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even though we don't necessarily agree with how the draft played out, you can see what they're going to do with what they got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if it won't be a situation, like that's the silver lining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a situation where, oh, I don't know what you're going to do with these guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, no, I know what you're going to do with Sam Rauch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know what you're going to do with Zavian Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if I may have not, that may have not been the move that I did, but I know
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[SPEAKER_01]: the direction that you're going to go with what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, yeah, I'm not as happy, but I know you're going to utilize these picks compared to the time before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's giggling so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the double down at the DT with Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mentioned Pickins and Javan Dexter, Senior at how they're just like, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went back to the Tommy Harris
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[SPEAKER_01]: a tank Johnson, I think that's a tank Johnson, but it's just like the death, that when you double down like that, that makes me concerned and again, Minnesota's issues aren't my issues, and we're being a Caleb Bakes guy, but the Caleb Bakes in the first round was, at 18 is wild to say the least.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Malachi going to the Cowboys was a little higher than a thought he would go, Malachi Lawrence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was hoping, like, maybe might be there for the bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was not going to be there for the bearish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, okay, well, I'm like, you know, it's even less of a reason to really get some of the difference of line at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought that TJ Parker might have been the one person at the bearish took him out of Ben, I'd been like, all right, this school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, can you go, TJ, could you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for gunning off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the thought was this in with Alex and Alex, I'll let you rock after this after Glenn speaks to whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the thoughts was, could you have done T.J. Parker and then hold him for Emmanuel, perhaps with the second round rather to answer those two thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your thought?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you have done that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's a better way for me to phrase this question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good question and I understand why you're asking it and it's almost a 2020 hindsight kind of question because you just don't know who's going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So without that
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, back to the future, delorean knowledge, you know, having the, the, the all-maniac sports all-maniacs, so I can look into the future and to the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I still say, and I still believe you go for the better player's position that you're the most, I won't say concern with the position that you feel you need to address.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that still, you could still go best player in this kind of a combination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the enument felt kind of slides into both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a best player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: at position that you know you definitely need to have someone who can provide you some impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so with that being said, I don't know that the defensive edge rusher, because if you remember what I said before, a lot of times when you get these edge rusher, particularly after maybe the first 15, 20 picks, those guys take years sometimes two, three years to get to what you thought you were going to get from what you saw them doing college.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like the edge rushers nowadays, and I'm talking about the last four, five, six, seven years, the edge rushers that try to judge them and understand and decide whether or not they're going to be that type of player, the ability to assess them is almost as difficult as it had used to be for quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why were you saving it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It used to be a lot more difficult for quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had guys, you know, you think about me, you had a keyless Smith and Joey Harrington's
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as your Marcus Russell's taking a top four five seven eight 10 picks and you're just like, you know, and their bus or, you know, you look at Baker may feel it was close to being a bus Sam Darno was close to being a bus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these guys got better on what fourth team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even joking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could literally, they're 14 is when they got to be, you know, proficient, you know, and we used to want to edge rushers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you go top five with Fibido at the Giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a lot to do with the Giants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, and everybody has an edge rush that comes out and is, you know, Mike a Parsons, you know, and he was kind of a hybrid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was almost positionless in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Never anyone was not mild scared.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was first pick over raw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You better be damn good for the first pick over raw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you're talking to 25th,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're the fourth, fifth best, edge russia, or if you're the first edge russia taken, but you're taking 25th.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, dude, those guys, you should go top 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're the first edge russia, you should be top 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And today's game, in the way you're looking at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not, what are we really doing here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to safety's, which are usually not taken in general until third, fourth round to be quite honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if I can get a safety that has that special net, that special ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that he's first round material.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people were thinking that the enemy might fall or that fall, but might go on to the top 15, you know, they were comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was like, man, help, but he's that good that if you 15, you know, maybe I get him at 25.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I, because this draft didn't have those type of edge rushers and defensive linemen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The draft overall wasn't one to consider to be a great talent pouring in a draft, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The next year's draft is one that has a lot more talent coming down to pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is why, if you pay attention to how the draft went, most people didn't trade in the acquisitions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't barter with their picture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the future picks and 20 for next year's draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't barter with those to move around in this draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't, and if they did, it was like maybe a seventh or a sixth round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody was given up a second, third, fourth, the fifth round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just weren't because they know there's so much more talent coming down the pipeline next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking there's like demo every position in a lot of ways,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, no, I guess, long of it, I would not, I would have done what the Bears still did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have gone for the best player that I felt that I can get, the best talent at player that I can get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the Bears case, it just so happens that it's also positioned that they can use one of those sensations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to dig more into the, you know, the overall B minus grade that you're giving in and you're like, what's going on here and taking a beat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Ken and I were pretty aligned on the theme and pick we're all in on the Logan Jones pick, especially, you know, when like James Lutter goes a few pictures.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, okay, yeah, had to pick your center here because if you didn't, he wouldn't have been there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So no, no issues picking Logan Jones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then when Sam Rausch comes off the board, the tight end, then when Xavier Thomas comes off the board, the guy who has a consensus 7th round grade, and as the picks go on and on and on and on and on and they still have not really had significant investment in the defensive line, and this isn't happening in a vacuum, it's been multiple years now with a lack of draft investment in the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Glenn, how do you balance, as Kenneth said, okay, listen, I understand you have a plan for Sam Rouch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand you have a plan for Xavier and Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you balance that understanding with, at some point you just got to draft some defensive line and you got to draft some ad russures to develop them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like how do you, how do you balance that in your mind, Glenn?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, square pig around, square pig around whole kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to force it, I gotta get what I can,
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[SPEAKER_02]: get that's going to help me without me trying to make it work because I need a position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to to justify, you know, taking the player in a set position.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With this particular draft and I felt it pretty much as a draft closer and I definitely felt it during the draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me it was one of a specificity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a draft where I'm taking a player at this position because this is where I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is every draft, I understand that, but this one even much more so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I gotta make it make sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what do I need?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where's going to help me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if I get this offensive line in here, is this person really going to help me today?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is he really going to help me tomorrow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're looking at tomorrow, but how much into the future is tomorrow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that next year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that in two years?
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[SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to, I can get this tied in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that I can use him because he's not my number one or two tight end, but my number three allows me to do these other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm good here and if my number two tied in goes down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just don't just do that or actually this question for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just say number three for how long and since you been a host and the analyst at the same time, sir, let us get a little bit of work in my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just broke up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please go, you know, or one time, one time goes down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, now my number two, because number one, he can number two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it becomes like Xavier and it's like, you're right, the consensus, but that's for everybody else's needs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not for my need and again, if you recall when I was when we're talking about prior to the draft, I said, the bears need someone to take the top off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, in my mind, I'm one of the tall guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to six to six three six four with the speed with the speed, you know, because I'm thinking, you know, in zone, your red zone, I'm thinking blocking down field, I'm thinking 50 50 contested catches, all those kind of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But damn, four, two, four, two, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know what I'm gonna do to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing I said, two, or that I felt, I'm not saying because I said it, it, you know, it means anything, but just my way of thinking is that the bears also need it or running back that can give you that explosive play, that 20 plus jar of game, when it falls in any like the junior Gibbs type kind of person, because
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking at Ben Johnson saying, OK, you're going to try and replicate the things that worked in a essential for your offense, well, what you do Detroit, OK, you got this guy, OK, this guy's monongai as Montgomery, OK, and this guy's, you know, the porters are constant, OK, you need someone to take top off, you need your james and will use them type on a person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, OK, so I'm missing about four or five inches, you know, whatever vertically speaking,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of stretching things vertically, oh, yeah, he's going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now, okay, maybe you're not doing some voice of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm giving you an amalgam, you know, I'm kind of blending in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My gemiri gives him my gemis and voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I, he goes, because he's zanyan is not just, you know, us, us, the negative fast guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a rocked up the negative fast guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like 5, 10, 190.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he has like a running back type for Zikis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm not going to give you the ball 15 times behind a line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The skimmy's nasty, you expect you to kind of survive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But man, the 6, 7, 8, 10 times a picture on the field, maybe three of those times 30% of the time you're on the field, you do something explosive, whether it turns it to a trust touch down, a translation to a third now conversion or just cares about Jesus out of the defense that's playing us that helps everybody else you're going to be effective on the field and that's where I think then Johnson is really excited about 4 to 8 speed.
19:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mr. Thomas, Glenn, I'm piggybacking off what you said in a way.
19:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll fairness, and I am pro Ben Johnson.
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson, and this wasn't a Ben Johnson issue and Detroit is the OC, didn't unlock Jamison Wilson.
19:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Jamison Wilson basically got on lock last year.
20:00
[SPEAKER_01]: really when you're talking about him kind of being the man he if now some of this was off the field type of issues with him but as far as really utilizing him and again I'm not putting it on being I'm really putting more on the player but even so going on with what you're saying as far as okay yeah I had that guy but even with that guy I didn't get what I thought I was going to get out of that guy with Xavier on Thomas and being like well
20:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same amount of time as I can get part of X and part of part of B with you're talking about the receiver with the speed and the running back with Jamir Gibbs at the utilization that I can perhaps get, but my question for you and you've already kind of hit on it and it's kind of one of those things where most of the time me and you are like the spock and bones of star track guys is both like,
20:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you already, yes, exactly, but you already did it and your thoughts on this new direction or new thought process under Ben Johnson on with the with because I mean someone he's controlling the draft a bit more with the leverage that he has.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean with going with what you said and I agree with what I alluded to earlier with I know what he's going to do with these players and instead of drafting what seemingly could be a need but may not be the player that can fit that need going with even if I'm not.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: finishing or even if I'm not getting this player for this desire position, I'm going with x player that I know is at the top of where I'm at drafting and can feel something that I can actually utilize regardless of I already have a surplus at that position.
21:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it comes down to what you believe it comes down to what you're able to affect.
21:57
[SPEAKER_02]: with consistency in continuity, excuse me, and being effective.
22:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And skill players take a little bit more time to develop.
22:07
[SPEAKER_02]: The fence of, defensively speaking, you're front, seven aren't necessarily front four, necessarily considered skill per se.
22:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes, they kind of set it.
22:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you're going to coach them up a little bit better, the technique.
22:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're looking for, what I want to imagine looking for are athletic players.
22:26
[SPEAKER_02]: get away a little bit more on defense with your athleticism, official in the front four.
22:31
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm able to scheme you in the right spot, so I can get you, have an opportunity for whatever you do athletically to shine forth, and the least path of resistance type kind of stuff.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas on offense, it's a bit more, there's more finesse involved in terms, even if you give a power offense, there's still some type of, you know, an ability to be able to read the defense, be able to work in concert,
22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: widgets involve, I think on often speaking, where you've got to get those things, those parts to work and concert.
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And so with that, I think you want to get the best players ethetically, the best players intellectually and the best players that fit whatever scheming is you're trying to employ.
23:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it gives a little short shift to the defense to somebody realized, let's call it what it is.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But I believe that they all believe that on defense, you can, you can mask things a little bit better.
23:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got players in place on defense right now, where it's like, you're looking at the straff and saying, is there anybody in the straff defensively that's going to come in and push the guys that I have?
23:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And if not, and they come in, make the thruster, and be able to play, in case the guys we do have in place, are injured or dinged up.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And another thing is, we're drafting.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: We're so used to being bad.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: That we've been drafting top 10, top 15 guys.
23:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're looking for someone to come in.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: A mindset is you got to come in and you play right away when you're drafted in the 20s a lot of times those guys you're drafting don't come in and play right away and if they do it might be the first round or maybe the second round or but everybody else is filling a need filling position their backups and to otherwise noted and so I think that's part of what we're not accustomed to so addressing that now to your point and everyone else is concerned here in Chicago is like well our defense was not good last year.
24:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We got by on turnovers, we were giving up, we're getting gouged.
24:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are three different times we give up 42 points last year or more.
24:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's a problem.
24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to fix that, right?
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that's where free agency kind of came in a little bit.
24:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the bear has felt that they addressed a number of those needs defensively.
24:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Just through free agency.
24:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I also believe they think once the season, once preseason begins and some players are starting to be let go, there'll be a player too where they can see, okay?
24:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we need a little bit more help in the line backing area.
24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: We need one more body, this is where the UDFA's come in, okay?
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this somebody we can get in?
24:58
[SPEAKER_02]: That's got the athleticism we're talking about.
25:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not refined and they're skilling that technique is off, but that's where you coaches come in, but we got the bodies in place.
25:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And you never know, you know, you do the Aladdin thing.
25:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been diamond in the russ.
25:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a pair of done, which there's a done with the shot.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: A walker, Jack Sandborn.
25:17
[SPEAKER_03]: They found a few of those guys.
25:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
25:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I look at UDF's, that whole process is a very a serendipitous one, you know, it's like serendipity.
25:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, through that, I'm going to find someone.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, yes, are we geniuses?
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you see, you found some bodies.
25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But sure, you're doing this.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do it.
25:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice invasion.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Tyson Bayesian did it, right?
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he goes serendipitous.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always on when he goes serendipitous.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex alluded to the vocabulary the last time, but when he pulls out the serendipitous, listen, we're in draft heaven when he pulls out serendipitous.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to point that out.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to drill down on one guy specifically.
25:58
[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned the later round guys.
26:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like your backups until otherwise noted, but one guy stands out as maybe someone who could buck that early, Malik Muhammad, the corner back that they took him to fourth round.
26:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Glenn just your thoughts on him as a player.
26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And what do you think the odds are that he can supplant Tyre Eq Stevenson a lot.
26:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is already getting there.
26:23
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how your caters, man.
26:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Leave a boy low, manly, tiring low.
26:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the dog!
26:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the dog!
26:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's arcan everybody so go carcass.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he named him after his silence everyone.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's complete.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I do.
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with Malik, you know, this is going to sound cheesy because I'm all about the cheese.
27:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised he was still there.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he is a classic like me, he's still there.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And I
27:12
[SPEAKER_02]: on NBC Sports a bit back and one of the things that was saying is that the issue had with the Bears organization was that we didn't know really what we're doing but that you knew which you could tell out an organization has an idea of what they're doing when they start drafting types and you start seeing those types be part of the organization.
27:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Then that means it's a plan and people have an idea and they're going forward with it because A is been successful and D we know what to heck we're doing if we can go forward with it.
27:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You look at the Pittsburgh Steelers
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like every damn year, they seem to get the Zach player that they need.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: They're lying back as look a certain kind of way.
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And you hear it during the draft.
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that looks like a Ravens player.
27:49
[SPEAKER_02]: That looks like a Pittsburgh Steeler player.
27:51
[SPEAKER_02]: That looks like a cheese kind of player because people get, and they understand, they see that, oh, okay, this is a type of player, body type architect that we're going for.
28:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And the leak fits that.
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I think when it comes to Denis Allen, those, they like those long-gated defenders.
28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It boundary defenders.
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: guys that can maybe even have enough loose hips enough that they can play the slide if need be.
28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But guys that that versatility, but this the long limb guys that have the ability to back pedal well that that do really well with his own initially, even if they're man and man might be a little bit questionable, but when their eyes, they do really good job of their eyes and beliefs one of those players.
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he doesn't necessarily jump off is like, you know, the first
28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: But then you look and you're like, man, dude's really out of place.
28:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, dude has a nose for the ball.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: But he meant that always get the inception, but he's a lot of, a lot of PDs, you know, a lot of passes defended.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, dude, wait, he meant how, for, for really, I can tell.
28:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Because some guys, they don't make it look, they don't look like they look like they put an effort out there.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just smooth with it, you know, you don't realize it's like, oh,
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, receivers like, yeah, I thought I'll beat you.
29:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You still with me, you know, and Lily's that kind of guy.
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like that sneaky speed.
29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He's that, he's that clever defensive back.
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He's that wildly off-speed picture sort of speak.
29:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He's that veteran, you know, type of mentality that he's not going to be out of position.
29:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be there to make plays and you can win with him, you know, a glue guy if you want to, if you want to say that as far as supplantings, how a week.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think necessarily that would be this year, I think Tyreak offers a lot of things that people don't necessarily appreciate, or it gets, you get snowed under because Tyreak does Tyreak things at times, but but Tyreak's very physical and that's not just, you know, with the tackling that's also even on his coverage, you know, he's.
29:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It is press coverage is going, it's going jam up some stuff and you need that when you don't have what, you know, I have a fast rush, that's right.
29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we, we don't have a, you know, a definitive fast rush, you know, so, so yeah, I thought I'm a leak.
29:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, man, he's still there and I didn't, I think the bears and I still take them.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought maybe they might, you know, there's maybe there's no position because, again, secondary has been a strong unit for the last several years.
30:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But when they took him, I was like, oh, yeah, dude, yeah, I see that all day.
30:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he might come in.
30:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You can mess around if one of your savings is nicked up.
30:17
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Thineman gets nicked up.
30:19
[SPEAKER_02]: You can put Gordon back there, free safety and put him a leaking slot, you know, something like that.
30:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just saw that he's a player that allows you to have some flexibility with your roster, you know, and how you're going to manipulate it.
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe even on certain plate, you know, maybe in certain past situations or late in the game, you need a little more length out there.
30:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Gordon is nicked up because he gets nicked up every year.
30:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, now I got a guy out there.
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Gordon maybe better maybe stop in the run in his nickel slot, you know, but Malie maybe better coverage while I start now.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, late in the game, maybe you put him in there.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: You get more length out there.
30:52
[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of stuff.
30:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It gives you, you know, position versatility.
30:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So, he made a lot of sense.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would even say that the lineback out Arizona,
31:00
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, yeah, I was like, do you know, you know, your coverage is kind of the issue, which is why you probably fell a little bit to some degree, but now you can tackle.
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, and you don't tell you doing it again, not out of place.
31:18
[SPEAKER_02]: The players are that the bears have gotten players and acquire players through free agency, but I say when the draft when you're making these assessments and if you look unilaterally across the players they they chose.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: The athleticism really jumps on, but also these guys' abilities to be in position to make plays, to be able to be effective and star in their roles, if you will.
31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest is high.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go to round to Alex is Alex alluded to earlier.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We were, Alex was the first person on our show to mention Logan Jones.
31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to always give him his props, because he deserves it, everyone.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And your thought on Logan Jones, this was a guy.
32:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about this, the land as far as, and with the top three picks,
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: a sinner being required and that being fine with us because it was a necessity when you saw the improvement that the bear's offensive lie had with an established sinner compared to them shopping in the bargain bin in the past.
32:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts on the Iowa sinner joining the bear's move before.
32:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You said it right there.
32:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be really succinct.
32:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I was sinner.
32:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I will always
32:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good, and that was like next.
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I think with both Jones, Thomas, and Sam Roush, I think those three guys, it wasn't so much that they were selected.
32:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It's where they were selected.
32:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the thing that probably gets people a little more like could you have waited?
32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you have gotten even you pose a scenario to me, can you?
32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it possible that you could have done this and gotten that?
32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's where these guys were taken.
32:58
[SPEAKER_02]: that it's like, man, you took them high when you really have this other knee.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the player's okay, but did you meet him then there?
33:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And how much of a difference is between him and maybe, you know, Talisman out of, you know, uh, the Texas A&M or Kansas State, I can't remember the other, the other one, the other, I think the Texas A&M and one of the other centers and people were talking about.
33:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But I say, get your guy when you can.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm, especially when you're drafting later in, in the, in the, in the rounds.
33:24
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're, if you're top 15, it's a little,
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you're drafting mid late rounds all the time, I might get you guy when you can, because you just don't know, there's so much that's gonna happen to you, there's so much, and people are making moves and maneuvers and stuff.
33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So with him, I'm like, I agree with you guys, you know, getting a center was key and having someone that can develop, because the bears have a center now that we feel the veteran that traded for, that they're able to acquire that, okay.
33:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should be fine.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a veteran present.
33:53
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be able to,
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, fit in.
33:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It may take a little bit of a time to bump a little bit, but hey, I mean, you know, use the center for a team that went to the Super Bowl, right?
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and that's what I got rid of a play for the play for the Vikings to got let them let them walk through.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: What, but my point is to your point.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You're putting this out.
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We just not fans going.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a you think first.
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I get it and I'm agreeing with you.
34:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's even more important that you did get that center.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why we were, yes, that's why we were big on it.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's to me and it's gets back to the earlier question about direction.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of times, it's, do you see what I see now?
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: This is layman.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You are supposed to be the expert.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But this shows, it's like, okay, so you do see and the difference from when it was pre-bj, right, to post-bj, right, to
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: cause but to to the the fact of you can see the importance that a sinner brings to your your your offensive line because one thing that else and I've talked about a lot is the feeling of being strong and I think we said this to with you Jordan this Glenn being strong from right tackle to left guard
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, we know that one of the most important of it, not most important positions on the offensive line, let one offense is left tackle, but you were able to kind of experiment with left tackle because you were so stout from right tackle to left guard and the bears hadn't been.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, since they went to the Super Bowl almost, oh, you know, like, it's just like when you're, I mean, really stout.
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Not kind of stout, you know, like the bears have been really since the Naggi era, playing around with a suspect offensive line at times.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times where on our shows, the Glenn, we're all at NBC, if people would be like, they need a left talk and we'd be like, no, they need everything.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't have guards, they don't have a center.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it wasn't, it wasn't, the left talk wasn't gonna solve this.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: office alignment in Logan Jones.
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It speaks to our spirit as far as, thank you.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, don't play with this.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The line has to be stout and that's when we're talking about what you're saying, go get your guy.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Where we had no problem with them going to get Logan Jones because it's like, please feel the center position as not a joke, particularly in the bench on some offense where it's, he puts a place as a premium on what the center must do.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm sorry, go ahead, Alex.
36:46
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was just gonna, I was just gonna pose it.
36:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna flip this into a question for you because this Kenneth was kind of a looting to it.
36:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like the Garrett Bradbury thing was like, okay, let's get something figured out A-SAP just in case we can't get a center in this draft or a center that we feel really, really good about.
37:03
[SPEAKER_03]: They clearly got that center.
37:04
[SPEAKER_03]: They feel really, really good about.
37:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And Kenneth and to a lesser degree myself, but still myself, so you're a little shaky.
37:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Garrett Bradbury, little shaky.
37:12
[SPEAKER_03]: So all of that in mind.
37:14
[SPEAKER_03]: My question for you, over under 0.5 snaps, Garrett Bradbury plays for the bears this year.
37:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't play Alex.
37:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
37:40
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a center needy team out there.
37:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think those are world in which the bears immediately flip, Garrett, Bradbury and say, we're good to ride with Logan Jones Let's not right now.
37:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
37:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Not at all.
37:52
[SPEAKER_02]: The corporate culture.
37:53
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, not at all.
37:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I say that because you still need depth on the line.
37:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And even if whoever's not starting between Jones or Bradbury, those guys could be your swing interior offensive lineman.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And guys getting it up, and this is going to be a very difficult season coming for it as 12 of the teams that were facing over 500 to better last season.
38:17
[SPEAKER_02]: This conference is quickly turned into one of the more daunting conferences in quite some time.
38:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Every division outside of the NFC South has at least three teams that are playoff caliber.
38:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And two of those, and two of those teams in those three divisions have teams that are
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, or or or Super Bowl contending possibilities and I know that you talk about when NFCE some like yeah don't forget watching and played in the conference championship a couple years ago.
38:46
[SPEAKER_02]: The Cowboys talent has never been the phrase it's been the coaching and Eagles are still the Eagles and now the giants have a competent coach and the Eagles are still the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, my face for you was for the, I don't know if the coaching is a problem, but it's a medicine owner and the coach not being the final say for me with the cowboys when I can go, you right, but it's still it's, but it's when I can go above you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what magic you write, the coach is a problem because the owner wants to control and won't put a coach and play that demands the control, but regardless, even with Parsel era and I that may be in the last one that was really just taking ourselves right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, but it's still if I can say like princess if I'm if I'm your child Glenn and you say hey I said this and I can be like whatever I'm going to go to mom it it's not going to work if the respect level and that my I'm supposed to know let I'm out of that that told you X and Jerry Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been too metal some at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this and let you, they, your talent wise, what Jerry has done with talent the last, probably eight to 10 years and with a longer period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, we'll see, I will give that more, because I will give something and then, of course, this is longer than that, but I have some more Jimmy, or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they're, but what they've done, how well, I mean, like the kind of guys, the cowboys, we don't get the props to the specimens, right, that the cowboys pick up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they, the only problem with them is glue guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Jerry's coaching, coaching isn't that too, but the guys, people don't understand like, they got it, they got you mentioned, they have a type, people knowing, drafting for a type, they got a type, and it is with you, if Jerry would get out the way, oh my God, what that type would be as far as winning, okay, prodigious games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They shouldn't want a lot more playoff games, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you put out the football team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You take hardballs from the Ravens and put them on, you know, instead of the giants, he's with the Cowboys, everyone's like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we got it really, everyone's the eyebrows are ready.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still stuffy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh shit, okay, we can't take it for evenly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even Steven A Smith screaming A Smith will be like, okay, oh, you think he's got an adult in now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think what you're doing, I see what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's got to pull one of those, you know, so, but yeah, but the talent is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, obviously, it's a Super Bowl rest in Seattle right now in the Rams or that close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anybody's thinking the Rams aren't going to be back there, sand staff or, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: young aggressive defense, talent, offense is still very, very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you know, the packers, I hate say it, but they look damn good and they got a really good defensive coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, each defensive coordinator gets better than the previous one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're going to be a bit of a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were a problem last year and the lions don't lie and as much as they used to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really people always, you know, I get slammed on the chat from time
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody says anything, but when I say the Vikings are an issue, I said it when Sam Bradford was took over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, JJ's not gonna start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam's gonna be the start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Arnold, do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam, Arnold, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said JJ was gonna start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're just a Viking fan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, I'm telling you what I see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got two head coaches as your coordinators, basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So your head, two, two head coaches or your offensive and defensive coordinators.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They know what to hell they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna be a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And last year, they had a problem at quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they weren't as effective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this year and I hope you don't like Kymer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love Kymer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We love, oh, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you enjoy this for part two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it will be back in a few days with more Glenn to break down this draft and talk bears and the NFL because the part that I like we're getting to we're talking about what other teams did because you mentioned the Rams and I got a question about the Rams I need to ask you moving forward we appreciate Glenn for joining us everybody just hold those whole time we're dropping another part to this episode moving forward we appreciate it for Glenn Alex and myself here on fan side it with the Winni City podcast we will be back soon.