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Sharri | 5 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew. Good evening.
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Speaker 3: While I start tonight with breaking news. The Albanzi government
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Speaker 3: has backflipped on its opposition to mandatory minimum sentences for
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Speaker 3: anti Semitic offenses and terror attacks. Now, Peter Duartan has
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Speaker 3: been pushing for this policy. As you know, Albanezi insisted
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Speaker 3: he wasn't going to interfere, there'd be no mandatory minimum sentences.
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Speaker 2: And yet as we speak.
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Speaker 3: Right now in Canberra in the House, Tony Burke is
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Speaker 3: introducing new laws that will have mandatory jail terms both
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Speaker 3: for terror offenses and for anti Semitic hate crime.
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to come.
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Speaker 3: Back to that breaking news a bit later. James Patterson
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Speaker 3: will be on the show, but of course the weight
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Speaker 3: of tonight's show will be full coverage and analysis on
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Speaker 3: this bold move by Donald Trump. Today he stunned the
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Speaker 3: world by declaring America will take over Gaza. Israel's deputy
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Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs Minister would join me from Washington. Plus, as
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Speaker 3: I said, Shadowhome Affairs Minister James Patterson also on the
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Speaker 3: show tonight. In a fiery question time, Peter Dutton claimed
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Speaker 3: Albanezi wasn't briefed on the caravan filled with explosives for
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Speaker 3: seven days. The Prime Minister now fighting off allegations that
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Speaker 3: the agencies, his own agencies don't trust him enough to
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Speaker 3: brief him on a terror threat.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak about this.
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Speaker 3: With tonight's Political Panel and the Chaffir scandal rocking the
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Speaker 3: new South Wales Parliament.
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Speaker 2: Well couldn't claim another minister.
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson will debate if Rose Jackson
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Speaker 3: should go too. But let's start tonight with today's bombshell news,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's plan to level Gaza, have the US takeover,
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Speaker 3: rebuild it, and relocate Palestinians to Arab States. Here is
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Speaker 3: the President making this massive statement that rock the world today.
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Speaker 4: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we
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Speaker 4: will do a job with it too. We'll own it
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Speaker 4: and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded
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Speaker 4: bombs and other weapons on the site.
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Speaker 1: Level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings.
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Speaker 4: Level it out, create an economic development that will supply
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Speaker 4: unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of
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Speaker 4: the area. Do a real job to something different. Just
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Speaker 4: can't go back. If you go back, it's going to
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Speaker 4: end up the same way it has for one hundred years.
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Speaker 3: Major news that Donald Trump wants to take over Gaza
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Speaker 3: and clear out the terrorists. This is a world changing
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Speaker 3: and historical shakeup that could shape the future of the
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Speaker 3: Middle East. Trump is also saying that nearly two million
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Speaker 3: Palestinians should leave Gaza at least during the rebuild and
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Speaker 3: relocate to neighboring countries.
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Speaker 4: We should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts,
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Speaker 4: and there are many of them that want to do
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Speaker 4: this and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied
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Speaker 4: by the one point eight million Palestinians living in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to
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Speaker 4: Gaza is they have no alternative. It's right now a
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Speaker 4: demolition site. This is just a demolition site. Virtually every
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Speaker 4: building is down. They're living under fallen concrete. That's very
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Speaker 4: dangerous and very precarious. They instead can occupy all of
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Speaker 4: a beautiful area with homes and safety, and they can
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Speaker 4: live out their lives in peace and harmony.
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Speaker 3: And here was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyaho's reaction to
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Speaker 3: Trump's idea.
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Speaker 5: I believe, mister President, that your willingness what you're conventional thinking,
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Speaker 5: thinking that has failed time and time and time again.
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Speaker 5: Your willingness to think outside the box with fresh ideas
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Speaker 5: will help us achieve all these goals. And I've seen
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Speaker 5: you do this many times. You cut to the chase.
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Speaker 2: Okay, here's my analysis. Well, firstly, it's.
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Speaker 3: Likely that Trump is trying to coerce the Arab nations
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Speaker 3: to take control of Gaza, to step up and take
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Speaker 3: responsibility for its governing. And this is Trump's modus operandi.
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Speaker 3: He makes a big statement to big threat and it
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Speaker 3: prompts immediate action that otherwise never.
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Speaker 2: Would have happened.
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Speaker 3: So the Arab nations had all but washed their hands
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Speaker 3: of Gaza. They wanted nothing to do with the problem.
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Speaker 3: But after Trump's declaration that America will take control of
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Speaker 3: the Gaza Strip, a highly contested, sought after peace of
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Speaker 3: land in the Middle East, it's very likely that Arab
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Speaker 3: nations will now find a way to step in.
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Speaker 2: It's widely accepted.
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Speaker 3: Now, although not by the Albanese government, that Gaza does
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Speaker 3: need to be a protectorate. A protectorate that's a state
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Speaker 3: controlled by another har mass cannot continue to govern it.
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Speaker 3: It has comprehensively failed both its own citizens and its neighbors.
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Speaker 3: It's terrorizing people and causing unrest around the world. Trump's
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Speaker 3: move that America will take over could very well prompt Egypt, Jordan,
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia and others to get on board in a
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Speaker 3: protectorate arrangement.
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Speaker 2: So that's my first point.
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Speaker 3: But secondly, I think if they don't come on board,
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Speaker 3: Trump is clearly prepared to take control of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Nothing has worked so far.
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Speaker 3: Self governance in Gaza certainly hasn't. Israel handed the Gaza
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Speaker 3: Strip to the Palestinians in two thousand and five. It
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Speaker 3: made all Israeli citizens leave the area, and it gave
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Speaker 3: the Palestinians independence. They elected a terrorist group and Harmas
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Speaker 3: has controlled Gaza since two thousand and six. They could
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Speaker 3: have built an international city with its own airport, but
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Speaker 3: all they've achieved is a terrorist infrastructure, including amassing weapons
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Speaker 3: and tunnels, and they've only brought death and tragedy to
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Speaker 3: their own people by continually provoking Israel into war. So
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Speaker 3: the territorial solution has failed, as Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister
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Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell tells me on the show tonight.
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Speaker 6: So the territorial solution. You know it wasn't.
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Speaker 7: It didn't give us the answer. It actually blew up
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Speaker 7: in our faces.
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Speaker 3: As she says, the international community surely has to admit
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Speaker 3: that giving Gaza sovereignty has failed. I wish it hadn't,
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Speaker 3: but it has. In that full interview, by the way,
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Speaker 3: is coming up in a moment. So statehood isn't the
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Speaker 3: answer here, despite the repeated please from Penny Wog and
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Speaker 3: Alban Easy, you just can't give terrorists a state. And
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Speaker 3: the fact is terrorism does need to be finally eradicated.
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Speaker 2: We can't keep on living like this.
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Speaker 3: We're living in twenty twenty five, when rockets can go
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Speaker 3: into space and come back in one piece thanks to
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk, when Ai can reason like humans can, and
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Speaker 3: yet somehow we're still expected to live in a world
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Speaker 3: where terrorism is allowed to flourish and monsters slaughter and
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Speaker 3: kidnap babies, children and mothers. There's no question the status
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Speaker 3: quo can't continue now. There's been a massive absence of
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Speaker 3: leadership in the international community when it comes to Gaza
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Speaker 3: up until this point. The Wok ideology has sided with
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Speaker 3: barbarians and terrorism has therefore been able to thrive. We
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Speaker 3: can see with our own eyes that Gaza is broken.
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Speaker 3: These scenes of Hamas terrorists swarming around a single Jewish
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Speaker 3: female hostage are sickening, and ever since I saw that,
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Speaker 3: I've been thinking, well, what hope is there for Gaza.
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Speaker 3: It's broken, it seems beyond repair, and clearly the President
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Speaker 3: of the United States has come to that view as well.
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Speaker 3: An American takeover if that's what eventuates, And as I've said,
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Speaker 3: I think it's a negotiating tactic to get the Arab
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Speaker 3: nations on board. But if it's what eventuates, it might
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Speaker 3: be far from the perfect solution, and there are pitfalls
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Speaker 3: to it, including indefinite deployment of American troops in Gaza
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Speaker 3: who would become a target for terror. But like I
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Speaker 3: already said, this is a typical Trump maneuver to encourage
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Speaker 3: ourb nations like the Saudis and the Emorts to take
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Speaker 3: the lead. But even if America does take the lead,
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Speaker 3: it's better than the status quote and look at Trump's
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Speaker 3: vision for Gaza compared to its future otherwise, the President
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Speaker 3: says it could become the Riviera of the Middle East.
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Speaker 4: We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be cute, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be a wise guy.
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Speaker 4: But the riviera of the Middle East, this could be
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Speaker 4: something that could be so bad.
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Speaker 1: This could be so magnificent.
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Speaker 3: And there are beautiful beaches in Gaza like there are
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Speaker 3: in Israel. Billions of dollars in international aid is pouring
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Speaker 3: into Gaza anyway, it's being wasted on terraced infrastructure like
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Speaker 3: the underground tunnels. Why shouldn't that money, billions of dollars
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Speaker 3: go into transforming Gaza into a beautiful and peaceful city.
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Speaker 3: Trump struck the Abraham Accords, which no one thought he
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Speaker 3: could achieve. He has forged strong relationships with Arab nations
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Speaker 3: and of course with Israel. And Trump is meeting the
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Speaker 3: Jordanian King Abdullah in the coming days and Gaza will
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Speaker 3: be discussed in those meetings. Now commentators tonight have said
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Speaker 3: that this is Trump taking America into a foreign war. Well,
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Speaker 3: that analysis is incorrect. Trump is speaking about rebuilding Gaza,
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Speaker 3: not fighting.
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Speaker 2: He's showing leadership in an.
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Speaker 3: Area where no one else is stepping up. The question
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Speaker 3: is how far can Trump get with this plan? Seeing
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Speaker 3: as he only has a four year term and how
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Speaker 3: will the international community react? His move has already sent
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Speaker 3: shockwaves around the world, and we can probably expect major
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Speaker 3: Palestinian protests on our streets. Australia's Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, well,
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Speaker 3: he's going to need to come up with a better
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Speaker 3: response than his weak and pathetic answer today when he
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Speaker 3: was asked about this.
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Speaker 8: Well, I've said before, though I don't tend to have
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Speaker 8: a running commentary on the President of the United States statements.
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Speaker 8: Guy's position is the same as it was this morning,
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Speaker 8: as it was last year, and it was ten years ago,
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Speaker 8: and it was under the Howard government, the Australian government
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Speaker 8: support and a bipartisan basis a two state solution in
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Speaker 8: the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Now, of course he wouldn't support Trump's plan because remember
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Speaker 3: this is a man who's been a lifelong pro Palestinian activist.
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Speaker 3: He reportedly protested outside the American Embassy in Sydney at
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Speaker 3: a rally where Israeli flags were burnt, and he was
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Speaker 3: a Federal MP at the time. And it is great
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Speaker 3: to watch Albanesi squirm over these questions, and you can
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Speaker 3: only imagine how Penny Wog would be having kniptions. But
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Speaker 3: nothing shows the difference between the Trump administration and the
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Speaker 3: Albanese government more than their response to Israel's war on
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Speaker 3: Hermus on terrorists. Pennywog wanted to reward the terrorism of
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Speaker 3: October seven with Palestinian statehood, while Trump says Gaza needs
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Speaker 3: to be leveled and let the Americans take over. The
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Speaker 3: reality is, though, that the destroyed condition that Gaza is
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Speaker 3: in now is entirely because of the actions of their
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Speaker 3: own governing body of her Mus, and the Palestinians deserve
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Speaker 3: better than this. Better than her Mus, they deserve better
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Speaker 3: than an uncertain future where barbaric, bloodthirsty and misogynistic terrorists
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Speaker 3: bring death and destruction to their own civilians. The Palestinians
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Speaker 3: deserve to live in peace and safety, and of course
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Speaker 3: the Israelis do too. The Israelis can't live like this,
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Speaker 3: having to wait for the day when October seven happens
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Speaker 3: all over again. Israeli hostages are still being held in Guys,
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Speaker 3: so we still don't know where nine month old baby
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Speaker 3: Kaffir is, where four year old baby Ariel is, where
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Speaker 3: their mother Shiri is.
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Speaker 2: It's unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: So under Trump's bold vision, at least the status quo
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Speaker 3: of the endless cycle of terrorism will change. I'm going
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Speaker 3: to have full analysis on the show tonight on this topic.
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Speaker 3: I've got James Patterson, Michael Kroger, Kosher Gada, and more.
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Speaker 3: But I'm going to start my coverage now with Israel's
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Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister, Sharen Haskell. She joined me from
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Speaker 3: Washington a little earlier. Sharen, thank you so much for
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Speaker 3: your time. This has been an unbelievable day. What's Israel's
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Speaker 3: reaction to Trump's plan to relocate Palestinians.
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Speaker 2: And have the US take over Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think that first of all, you know, we
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Speaker 7: are very grateful for the friendship and the support that
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Speaker 7: we've received from President Trump. We've seen that in his
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Speaker 7: last administration. I don't think Israel had a better friend
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Speaker 7: than Trump.
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Speaker 6: He brought, you know.
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Speaker 7: The Abraham Accords, where no one really believed that something
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Speaker 7: like that is possible. Everybody thought that was a fantasy,
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Speaker 7: but he actually he actually locked that in and he
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Speaker 7: created his peace and stability in the Middle East. You know,
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Speaker 7: we knew that these days and I'm now in Washington,
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Speaker 7: they are going to shape the future of the Middle
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Speaker 7: East and how it's going to look. And we really
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Speaker 7: want to make sure, you know, that the Abraham Accords
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Speaker 7: are expanded, that we bring back stability, peace coexistence, that
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Speaker 7: we can build bridges between our neighbors. And I think
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Speaker 7: that with his statement, I think it's it's pretty obvious
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Speaker 7: that President Trump is committed to that, and we are
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Speaker 7: very grateful for the friendship and the support that he
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Speaker 7: keeps on showing to Israel and our people.
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Speaker 3: But does Israel support Trump's plan to take over Gaza,
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Speaker 3: rebuild and relocate the Palestinians.
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Speaker 7: I think that many of the things that we're discussed,
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Speaker 7: and many of the things that we heard the Statesman about,
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Speaker 7: I think that in the next couple of months, and
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Speaker 7: he also said there's going to be more declaration within
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Speaker 7: a month's time, you know, a more obvious plan is
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Speaker 7: going to be shaped and draw and written. And once
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Speaker 7: that has happened, then we will have a better understanding
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Speaker 7: of some of his vision and in some of obviously
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Speaker 7: our needs and vision in regards to the Middle East
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Speaker 7: and the stability and the building of bridges and how
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Speaker 7: we can achieve it. So, you know, I still think
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Speaker 7: it's early days, very difficult to say exactly how it's
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Speaker 7: going to look, but hopefully within the next few weeks
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Speaker 7: we'll get a better picture of that.
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Speaker 2: It's clear that.
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Speaker 3: The status quo is unsustainable though, isn't it. We can't
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Speaker 3: go back to the situation before where terrorism is a
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Speaker 3: constant threat.
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Speaker 7: So we've always said, we have to make sure that
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Speaker 7: tramas Is doesn't have any military capability and power, and
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Speaker 7: we have to make sure Hamas doesn't have civilian power either.
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Speaker 7: Look showing throughout all these years, the Israeli governments have
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Speaker 7: tried different solution to be able to live side by side.
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Speaker 7: We tried a territorial solution because some people.
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Speaker 6: Thought this is a territorial conflict.
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Speaker 7: So we disengage from Gaza, evacuating every single living Jew
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Speaker 7: from this area, withdrawing all of our troops, giving them
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Speaker 7: an autonomy.
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Speaker 6: To build a Singapore or you know, a Hong Kong.
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Speaker 7: But instead they actually democratically elected a terrorist organization that's
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Speaker 7: on its platform has sworn to completely obliterate the State
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Speaker 7: of Israel and annihilate the Jewish people inside Israel and outside.
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Speaker 7: So the territorial solution, you know, it wasn't it didn't
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Speaker 7: give us the answer. It actually blew up in our faces.
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Speaker 7: And then we tried economical prosperity, where you know, we
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Speaker 7: get working permits for Palestinians to come and work in Israel.
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Speaker 7: There was a lot of money and funds that were
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Speaker 7: invested in Gaza, and that economic future and prosperity and
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Speaker 7: idea didn't work either. Okay, it blow up in our
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Speaker 7: face on the seventh of October where you know, a
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Speaker 7: terrorist organization Hama's Death called you know, entered Israel and
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Speaker 7: you know, murdering our people, our grandparents, burning babies alive,
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Speaker 7: raping little girls.
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Speaker 6: That's the reality of that. And so we have to
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Speaker 6: think outside of the box.
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Speaker 7: And I think that Trumps is bringing ideas that are
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Speaker 7: outside of the box, and I think that we should
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Speaker 7: lay them all down and start thinking what is a
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Speaker 7: possibility and how we can actually achieve that.
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Speaker 3: Sharon, would you need the support of the Arab nations?
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Speaker 3: I mean ideally surely what the involvement of Saudi Arabia, Jordan,
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Speaker 3: Egypt and so on in the governing of Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Well, we understand that to create stability, real stability, we
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Speaker 7: need to create corporation with some of our neighboring countries
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Speaker 7: as well.
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Speaker 6: And we are really hoping for that when.
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Speaker 7: Trump is speaking about expanding the Abraham Accord, he speaks
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Speaker 7: exactly about.
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Speaker 6: That building bridges. We don't want our neighbors to be
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Speaker 6: our enemies.
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Speaker 7: We want to be able to live side by side.
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Speaker 7: And so I think that the international community needs to
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Speaker 7: understand that the ideas that were brought time after time
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Speaker 7: again the same ideas have completely failed, and that it
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Speaker 7: is time to think outside of the box and to
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Speaker 7: lay down these options.
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Speaker 6: I think that, you.
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Speaker 7: Know, Trump has got a different way in managing things
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Speaker 7: and what we've experienced also even before he entered office
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Speaker 7: in regards to negotiations about a ceasefire with Lebanon or
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Speaker 7: with Hamas you know, he's not just escorting the process
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Speaker 7: and overseeing it like the Biden administration, but he's really
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Speaker 7: taking control and leading a lot of this process, very
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Speaker 7: much involved in every single detail about.
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Speaker 6: It and leading it.
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Speaker 7: And it's a different approach, and he's bringing ideas that
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Speaker 7: are outside of the box. And we know that Trump
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Speaker 7: has done that many times before on different issues as well.
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Speaker 7: And I'm not getting into one issue or another, but
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Speaker 7: the fact is that in many of these issues he
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Speaker 7: was actually pretty successful. And I think that if he's
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Speaker 7: capable of bringing us that's outside of the box, and
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Speaker 7: it can be successful and bring stability and coexistence and
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Speaker 7: prosperity to our regent, where in the last few years
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Speaker 7: it's been absolutely devastating with war and death and economical destruction.
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Speaker 7: So if this other option is on the table, I'll
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Speaker 7: take it, especially after what we've seen in the last
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Speaker 7: few years.
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Speaker 3: But just back to the question about the Arab nations again,
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Speaker 3: do you need their support for this and are they
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Speaker 3: meetings underway about this?
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister Antoniao met with the envoy Witkof and with
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Speaker 7: Waltz and they've outlined and the Prime Minister has you know,
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Speaker 7: discussed the framework of Israel's need and our expectations as well.
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Speaker 7: Today actually Witco is flying to Katar to speak to
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Speaker 7: the Prime Minister to discuss the issue of the continuations
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Speaker 7: of the negotiation for a second stage. So things are
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Speaker 7: unfolding and there's a discussion with some countries around.
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Speaker 6: I think tomorrow or the next day.
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Speaker 7: The next visit is going to be a visit here
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Speaker 7: in Washington by the Jordanian king as well, so he's
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Speaker 7: not waiting.
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Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell, really appreciate your time late at night in
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Speaker 3: Washington on such a historic day.
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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Sherry.
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Speaker 3: Okay, for further analysis, let's bring in now former Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party president Michael Kroeger and former Labor minister Graham Richardson.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both, as always on a Wednesday. Michael's
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Speaker 3: starting with you, and what a trait it.
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Speaker 2: Is to have you in Sydney studio with me. I
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Speaker 2: am very lucky.
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Speaker 3: So what's your assessment of this, of this astonishing move
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Speaker 3: by Trump today?
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Speaker 9: Well, like everybody, my first response was I was gobsmacked
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Speaker 9: by what he said. I mean, it was an unbelievable announcement.
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Speaker 9: But you have to analyze what Trump's is, right. It's
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Speaker 9: like in chest he goes poor to King six, which
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Speaker 9: is in legal move, and then he comes back to
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Speaker 9: Paul in King four, which is legal. So what's he
23:21
Speaker 9: actually doing here? Is he actually going to take over Gaza?
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Speaker 10: No?
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Speaker 9: Is it going to become an American protected at state whatever. No,
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Speaker 9: he is saying to the Arab States, as you correctly said,
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Speaker 9: he's saying to the Arab States, you people have had
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Speaker 9: eighty years. You've had eighty years to sort this out,
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Speaker 9: to find a place for the Palestinians to allow there
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Speaker 9: to be peace, co existence with the Jews in Israel,
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Speaker 9: for the Arab States to stop fighting each other. You've
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Speaker 9: had eighty years. I've had enough, You've had a good go,
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Speaker 9: You've stuffed it up. Look where we are now with
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Speaker 9: Jews being slaughtered eighteen months ago, it's now Gaza is
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Speaker 9: a hellhole. And I'm now going to, you know, push
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Speaker 9: my pawn down the board. So what's going to happen.
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Speaker 9: What's going to happen, as you say, Saudi Arabia, the Jordanians,
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Speaker 9: the Egyptians, the Qataris, the probably the Abraham Accords, four countries,
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Speaker 9: maybe even the Syrians, to keep the peace will all
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Speaker 9: come in. There will be a multi national peacekeeping protectorate, government,
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Speaker 9: et cetera in Gaza. The Americans may not even need
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Speaker 9: to be involved. But this is what he's saying to
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Speaker 9: the Arab States, You've had enough. You've made a complete
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Speaker 9: hash that I've had enough. That's what he's done.
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Speaker 2: I think that is also the most likely.
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Speaker 3: As I've already said, Richo, what do you think do
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Speaker 3: you think we're going to have a Trump tower on
24:39
Speaker 3: the Gaza strip or do you think you know this
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Speaker 3: is a negotiating tactic to get the Arab nations on board.
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Speaker 11: I think it's probably a negotiating tactic, mind you. I'd
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Speaker 11: like to love to see her a Trump tower on
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Speaker 11: the Gaza fabulous, And I wouldn't put anything past him.
24:57
Speaker 11: But now, look, I think, you know, well, I' often
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Speaker 11: been a critic of Trump. I think on this issue,
25:04
Speaker 11: he's really doing pretty well. I mean, if you think back,
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Speaker 11: every American president has had a crack at this, Every
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Speaker 11: American president has failed, and so you know, you look
25:16
Speaker 11: at these things, you're entitled to be pessimistic. That the
25:20
Speaker 11: great thing about Trump is he never is never pessimistic.
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Speaker 11: He's always looking on the bright side, always looking for
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Speaker 11: a wind, and I think he might have one here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point you make about the past presidents.
25:31
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton once told me many years ago that his
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Speaker 3: greatest regret from his time as president was the Middle East,
25:39
Speaker 3: that he couldn't bring peace to the Middle East. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, this would be totally legacy defining for Trump
25:46
Speaker 3: that Abraham Accords already are from his first administration. I
25:49
Speaker 3: just want to bring you another piece of news from
25:51
Speaker 3: their meeting. Natan Yahoo and Trump Nettan Yahoo gifted Trump
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Speaker 3: a golden pager. How funny is that that's a reference,
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Speaker 3: of course to the top secret corporation where Israel blew
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Speaker 3: up heswella pages, although they've never admitted to that, but
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Speaker 3: but now this is an admission of sorts Nediyahu giving
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Speaker 3: Trump a golden pager. And then Channel twelve reports that
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Speaker 3: in Israel reports that Trump gave Nedija who a photograph
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Speaker 3: of the two of them, and Neddiyao who sign has
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Speaker 3: shared that photograph and social media so have seen a
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Speaker 3: picture of that.
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Speaker 2: Also.
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Speaker 3: I want to show you very quickly the Nightly front
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Speaker 3: page tonight.
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Speaker 2: It's a great cover.
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Speaker 3: Bye, and my good friend christ Or who doesn't want
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Speaker 3: me to mention him, but great cover.
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Speaker 2: From the Riviera to the sea.
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Speaker 9: Well, don't forget, yes, Beirut was Paris in the Middle
26:43
Speaker 9: East twenty years ago. That was brut Here's the other thing.
26:45
Speaker 9: But what Trump's doing, there's going to have to be
26:49
Speaker 9: a Palestinian state. There's going to have to be a
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Speaker 9: place to the Palestinians, Okay, somewhere now. The Jordanians are
26:54
Speaker 9: going to have to come to be involved in Gaza
26:58
Speaker 9: because they've got two million Palesitians. They don't want anymore.
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Speaker 9: Know we know, they've taken zero Palestinians from Gaza. We've
27:05
Speaker 9: taken over a thousand, they've taken zero the Jordanians. But
27:08
Speaker 9: you look at the Jordanians, they've had trouble with the
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Speaker 9: Palestinians right back to the murder of King Abdullah in
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Speaker 9: nineteen fifty one of the Alexa Mosque when their king
27:16
Speaker 9: was murdered by a Palestinian terrorists on the Temple Mount.
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Speaker 9: The Egyptians don't want any Palestinians, they don't want the
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Speaker 9: adjunct of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. They've taken zero refugees,
27:28
Speaker 9: as we know, and so you look around the other
27:31
Speaker 9: Arab countries they haven't taken any either. So Trump's basically
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Speaker 9: saying to them, if you're not going to take them,
27:36
Speaker 9: we'll take over here. And they're going to have to say,
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Speaker 9: oh no, no, no, no, no no no, because Trump's saying, well,
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Speaker 9: if you don't want the Palestinians, are you know, there'll
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Speaker 9: be no state. So he's put the ball back in
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Speaker 9: their court, and the Saudis is basically the national leader
27:48
Speaker 9: of all of those countries. They're going to have to
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Speaker 9: step up to mark. They'll be one of the first countries.
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Speaker 9: I would think that it's going to come in and
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Speaker 9: say we will help run Gaza.
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Speaker 3: All right, although in an early state meant from five
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Speaker 3: Arab countries.
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Speaker 2: That's just been reported.
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Speaker 3: Tonight in the Times of Israel. Look it's not encouraging.
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Speaker 3: They're resisting. They're saying there does need to be a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state. But look it's an early statement and the
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Speaker 3: negotiations are happening behind the scene. As I mentioned, the
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Speaker 3: King of Jordan, Abdullah, is going to meet with Trump
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Speaker 3: in the coming days. All Right, let's talk about this story,
28:23
Speaker 3: the Rose Jackson issue. That she's the new South Wales
28:26
Speaker 3: Housing Minister. Rose Jackson, she's spent today explaining why she
28:30
Speaker 3: shouldn't lose her job. She also took that free caravan
28:35
Speaker 3: that was organized by Joe Halen, the van that was
28:38
Speaker 3: organized by Joe Halen. This is the taxpayer funder she
28:41
Speaker 3: first scandal broken by the Sunday Telegraph and in fact
28:44
Speaker 3: the day out was to celebrate Rose Jackson's fortieth birthday.
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Speaker 2: Richo, do you think there's a.
28:52
Speaker 3: Case for Rose Jackson to resign over this as well?
28:56
Speaker 3: Do you think she's going to end up holding onto
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Speaker 3: a job.
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Speaker 11: I think she'll hold onto a job. I don't think
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Speaker 11: it's a hanging offense. Yes, bad judgment's been shown and
29:06
Speaker 11: that's regrettable, but I think after you've apologized, that should
29:11
Speaker 11: be the end of it. I can't see any way
29:14
Speaker 11: that you can say that that era of judgment of
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Speaker 11: hers was so great that she has to resign. Just
29:21
Speaker 11: can't see that.
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Speaker 3: It was her fortieth birthday lunch. She got the taxpayer
29:27
Speaker 3: funded Shaffer driven van as well. She didn't organize it,
29:31
Speaker 3: but she still took it.
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Speaker 2: Richo.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, as I said, there's been some bad judgment here,
29:37
Speaker 11: but not hanging the offenses. I think she'll have learned
29:40
Speaker 11: from the experience, at least I hope she has.
29:43
Speaker 2: What do you think, Mike Corman?
29:45
Speaker 3: You can imagine how labor would have gone so hard
29:48
Speaker 3: on the Coalition government if it.
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Speaker 2: Was something like this.
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Speaker 9: She has to go. I mean this argument. I left
29:54
Speaker 9: my house and I went out the front and law
29:55
Speaker 9: and behold, I shocked horror there was a government car
29:58
Speaker 9: out there to take him in my birthday for three
30:01
Speaker 9: or four hours. Oh did. I just was flabbergasted at
30:05
Speaker 9: what happened. She got in the car, she knew what
30:08
Speaker 9: was going on. She's engaged in exactly the same hanging
30:12
Speaker 9: offense as the minister who's resigned. The only difference was
30:16
Speaker 9: she didn't organize it, but she participated in it. And
30:20
Speaker 9: you know, men's men's who's been great on other issues,
30:23
Speaker 9: as we've said, has been you know, to let Jackson
30:26
Speaker 9: off the hook is you know he will he will
30:29
Speaker 9: carry that around. So he should sack her and quarterize
30:33
Speaker 9: the bleeding now and start again with a short, fresh,
30:36
Speaker 9: freshoet of paper saying to the public, we don't cop this,
30:38
Speaker 9: I don't cop this as premiure. So she has to
30:41
Speaker 9: go for goodness sake.
30:43
Speaker 3: It's more complicated for him, Richo, because these two women,
30:47
Speaker 3: the female ministers, are from the left faction and they
30:50
Speaker 3: supported him into the leadership.
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Speaker 2: So do you think he feels obligated?
30:54
Speaker 3: You know, obviously eventually he moved on Joe Halen, But
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Speaker 3: do you think he feels like he can't Zach Rose
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Speaker 3: Jackson as well?
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 11: I think he certainly doesn't want it, but he may
31:05
Speaker 11: yet be forced into doing it. I don't think this
31:08
Speaker 11: game's over yet. I think we might be passed half time,
31:12
Speaker 11: but the full time bill hasn't run, so I'm just
31:15
Speaker 11: going to keep watching it.
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Speaker 3: It's fascinating and I'm sure Linda sill Marlis will have
31:19
Speaker 3: more in the Telegraph this week. All right, Gray Richardson,
31:23
Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, so great to have you, Graith.
31:26
Speaker 2: All right, still to.
31:26
Speaker 3: Come more analysis on Trump's bold plan for the Gaza strip.
31:30
Speaker 3: Plus did the AFP deliberately keep Albanizi out of the
31:35
Speaker 3: loop on the terror threat of the caravan filled with
31:38
Speaker 3: explosives because they don't trust him?
31:41
Speaker 2: James Patterson would join me next. Welcome back.
31:48
Speaker 3: Well, let's return to the breaking news that I mentioned
31:50
Speaker 3: at the start of the show that the Albanezi government
31:53
Speaker 3: has done a massive backflip. They said that they opposed
31:58
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's idea a mandatory minimum sentences. So this is
32:03
Speaker 3: a minimum jail term for those who commit anti Semitic
32:07
Speaker 3: attacks or terror offenses. Albanesier post it and now in
32:11
Speaker 3: breaking news tonight, Tony Burke is introducing that legislation to
32:15
Speaker 3: the House. Let's bring in now shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 3: James Patterson. James, what's your reaction to this capitulation by labor.
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Speaker 10: Well capitulation is the only way to describe it Shari
32:30
Speaker 10: a total and utter capitulation. It was only two days
32:33
Speaker 10: ago that senior Albanesi government ministers were publicly dismissing the
32:37
Speaker 10: idea of the need for mandatory minimum sentences, and in fact,
32:41
Speaker 10: on Tuesday in the Senate they voted against emotion that
32:45
Speaker 10: I moved to call for the introduction of mandatory minimum sentences.
32:49
Speaker 10: This is another example of Peter Dutton leading, of seeing
32:52
Speaker 10: the problems in our country, of identifying the solutions, of
32:55
Speaker 10: calling for them, and of pressuring the Albanzi government into
32:59
Speaker 10: very reluctantly acting to address them. It's been very clear
33:02
Speaker 10: in this country since this antiseptism crisis has become a
33:05
Speaker 10: terrorism crisis and got out of control on it Anthiobanez's watch,
33:09
Speaker 10: that we needed strong action to send a strong signal
33:12
Speaker 10: to deter people who are responsible for these attacks, and
33:15
Speaker 10: that only mandatory minimum sentences would be necessary It would
33:18
Speaker 10: be sufficient to achieve that. But after Peter Dutton and
33:21
Speaker 10: I announced that we would introduce them on the twentieth
33:24
Speaker 10: of January, the Prime Minister dismissed the idea as being
33:26
Speaker 10: a distraction and unnecessary.
33:29
Speaker 3: Look, I also want to ask you about the biggest
33:32
Speaker 3: news of the day right around the world, Trump's stunning
33:35
Speaker 3: plan to fix the Gaza strip. Let's have a quick
33:39
Speaker 3: look at what else Trump had to say on this today.
33:42
Speaker 1: Do something different. Just can't go back.
33:44
Speaker 4: If you go back, it's going to end up the
33:46
Speaker 4: same way it has for one hundred years. I'm hopeful
33:50
Speaker 4: that this ceasefire could be the beginning of a larger
33:52
Speaker 4: and more enduring piece that will end the bloodshed and
33:56
Speaker 4: killing once and for all.
33:58
Speaker 1: With the same goal in mind.
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Speaker 4: Might st has been moving quickly to restore trust in
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Speaker 4: the Alliance and rebuild American strength throughout the region.
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Speaker 3: James Trump is right, isn't he? He says, we can't
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Speaker 3: go back. It'll be another one hundred year cycle of
34:14
Speaker 3: bloodshed and terrorism.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that right?
34:18
Speaker 10: Well, there's no question, Shari that the status quo has
34:20
Speaker 10: been a disaster for Palestinians and a disaster for Israelis,
34:24
Speaker 10: and there is no positive future for either if Hamas
34:28
Speaker 10: remains in charge in Gaza, and very sadly, they do
34:31
Speaker 10: appear to be regaining control in Gaza since the ceasefire
34:35
Speaker 10: was put into effect, and so we do need to
34:37
Speaker 10: think about the best way to resolve that and ensure
34:40
Speaker 10: a peaceful future for both the people of the region.
34:44
Speaker 10: It's not our policies, you know, to go down this path.
34:47
Speaker 10: We have a two state solution that we support and
34:50
Speaker 10: has supporter for a long time in this country. It's
34:52
Speaker 10: actually the Labor Party that's walked away from that and
34:54
Speaker 10: proposes to UNIL actually recognize a Palestinian state without the
34:57
Speaker 10: agreement of Israeli government, without any peace negotia. We don't
35:01
Speaker 10: think that's the right approach.
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Speaker 3: We haven't seen the detail of Trump's plan yet, had
35:06
Speaker 3: Sharon Haskell, she is the Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister for Israel.
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Speaker 2: She was on earlier. She said, we are still to
35:12
Speaker 2: see the detail in the coming weeks.
35:15
Speaker 3: But do you agree with the principle that there does
35:18
Speaker 3: need to be a new external garverning body in Gaza.
35:24
Speaker 10: Well, the rebuilding project in Gaza is going to be
35:27
Speaker 10: an enormous task and it will need an international coalition
35:31
Speaker 10: of states, particularly those from the region. We do want
35:35
Speaker 10: to see leadership from Arab states in the region recognizing
35:37
Speaker 10: their responsibility and interest in this issue. Of course, Israel
35:40
Speaker 10: will have to be satisfied with those arrangements and American
35:43
Speaker 10: leadership will be absolutely essential to getting this done, because
35:47
Speaker 10: what we should hope to see out of this is
35:50
Speaker 10: peace and security for the people of Israel, and peace
35:52
Speaker 10: and security for the people of Gaza and for Palestinian people.
35:55
Speaker 10: And it is not going to happen just by letting
35:58
Speaker 10: it to continue as it has over the last twenty years.
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Speaker 3: Unmas's terrible rule in that region now absolutely Look in
36:06
Speaker 3: question time today, Look, it was brutal for the Prime Minister.
36:09
Speaker 3: The Coalition grilled him over the explosives field caravan.
36:14
Speaker 2: Why didn't he know about this? Have a look?
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Speaker 11: The Prime Minister has been embarrassed because he wasn't advised by.
36:21
Speaker 9: The police because they're worried about him leaking the information
36:25
Speaker 9: ahead of any action by the police.
36:27
Speaker 13: Was the Prime Minister first informed of the planned mass
36:31
Speaker 13: casualty terror attack against the Sydney's Jewish community. The Prime
36:35
Speaker 13: Minister is studiously avoiding answering the question.
36:38
Speaker 5: If he doesn't want to be relevant to the question,
36:40
Speaker 5: he can sit.
36:40
Speaker 3: Down, James, how concerned are you that the Prime Minister
36:46
Speaker 3: evidently wasn't told about a potential mass casualty event potentially
36:50
Speaker 3: for seven days.
36:53
Speaker 10: Sure if that turns out to be the case. That
36:55
Speaker 10: will be a travesty and a shocking breakdown about national
36:58
Speaker 10: security architecture under the Prime Minister's watch. How he has
37:02
Speaker 10: allowed to get it to be so bad that our
37:04
Speaker 10: police and intelligence agencies don't feel compelled to bring news
37:08
Speaker 10: like this to him urgently to inform him so that
37:11
Speaker 10: he can take decisive action to protect our country is
37:15
Speaker 10: a real indictment on his leadership. He should have been
37:18
Speaker 10: driving this from the beginning. There should have been rolling
37:20
Speaker 10: National Security Committee of Cabinet meetings. He should have been
37:22
Speaker 10: demanding answers from our police and intelligence agencies, and they
37:26
Speaker 10: should have been keeping him in the loop because they
37:28
Speaker 10: knew he would want to know about what was going on.
37:31
Speaker 10: And it speaks to his leadership that that clearly appears
37:34
Speaker 10: not to have been happening.
37:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beyond comprehension. How you know if it would
37:41
Speaker 3: have been executed a terror attack that would have had
37:43
Speaker 3: a forty meter blast wave and yet the Prime Minister
37:46
Speaker 3: didn't know about it.
37:48
Speaker 2: There almost should.
37:49
Speaker 3: Be an inquiry into what has gone on here because
37:51
Speaker 3: this is a major failure of national security. It's a
37:55
Speaker 3: major failure to protect Australian citizens. James Patterson, that's exactly right.
38:01
Speaker 3: Really do you think there should be an inquiry?
38:04
Speaker 10: I strongly support an independent inquiry by an eminent national
38:08
Speaker 10: security expert to get to the bottom of why the
38:10
Speaker 10: Prime mister didn't know, or when he did know and
38:12
Speaker 10: what he did about it.
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Speaker 3: All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time. Thank you
38:16
Speaker 3: so much. Now still to come more analysis on Trump's
38:19
Speaker 3: shock plan for the Gaza Strip. Koshergada would join me
38:22
Speaker 3: later pass the fight over giving tax deductions for business lunches.
38:27
Speaker 2: The Political Panel will be on next for a fiery debate.
38:35
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
38:36
Speaker 3: Well, it's a big week in Cambra. Election fever is
38:38
Speaker 3: running high. And joining me now National Senate Leader Bridget
38:42
Speaker 3: mackenzie and Labor MP Daniel Melino.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
38:47
Speaker 3: Daniel, I just want to ask what you know first
38:49
Speaker 3: off about the legislation that Tony Burke has just introduced
38:53
Speaker 3: to the House on these minimum jail terms for terror
38:57
Speaker 3: offenses and anti Semitic offenses.
38:59
Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 14: Well, Hi, Sharien, thanks for having me on. So look,
39:07
Speaker 14: this is going to be the strongest hate crime legislation
39:10
Speaker 14: that we've seen in Australia. It contains a number of
39:14
Speaker 14: very important components, and my understanding is that the government
39:19
Speaker 14: and the opposition have been working together in a constructive way.
39:23
Speaker 14: I think this bill is a big achievement and a
39:25
Speaker 14: really important step forward on a critical issue. But what
39:28
Speaker 14: we've also seen is that it's a good example of
39:32
Speaker 14: the government and the opposition working constructively together. And my
39:36
Speaker 14: understanding is that amendments were put forward tonight that do
39:39
Speaker 14: include mandatory sentences for some hate crimes, and I think
39:44
Speaker 14: this is an important step forward.
39:46
Speaker 2: For this bill.
39:47
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess we'll get more detail on that as
39:50
Speaker 3: the night progresses and tomorrow as well. But unusual that
39:53
Speaker 3: the ministers were arguing against minimum mandatory sentences just a
39:58
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, as I've ready spoken about tonight
40:00
Speaker 3: with James Patterson. Look, let's talk about the coalition's policy
40:04
Speaker 3: to give tax deductible work lunches for small businesses, or
40:08
Speaker 3: to give tax deductions for work lunches for small businesses.
40:12
Speaker 3: The Treasury has costed this policy at one point six billion.
40:15
Speaker 3: The Coalition says it would cost less than two hundred
40:18
Speaker 3: and fifty million. Now, Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor is pretty
40:23
Speaker 3: angry at the Treasury. He claims this is a lack
40:26
Speaker 3: of independence. Bridget do you not accept the Treasury's costings here?
40:35
Speaker 13: Well, we don't think the public service should be politicized
40:39
Speaker 13: in this way. And our Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor wrote
40:43
Speaker 13: to the Secretary of the Treasury overnight when this came
40:48
Speaker 13: to light and has received confirmation that the Labor Government
40:54
Speaker 13: hasn't actually had our policy for small business businesses costed at.
41:02
Speaker 2: All, and that is the actual fact.
41:04
Speaker 13: So we will stand by our costings that this policy
41:09
Speaker 13: will cost less than two hundred and fifty million dollars.
41:12
Speaker 2: And the reality is Sharhi.
41:14
Speaker 13: During COVID we all rang up our local cafe or
41:17
Speaker 13: restaurant and kept them in business by getting our home
41:19
Speaker 13: delivered meals. But in the last financial year under Anthony
41:23
Speaker 13: Albanesi's government, we've seen nineteen hundred businesses go under in
41:29
Speaker 13: this sector and ninety thousand hospitality workers lose their jobs
41:36
Speaker 13: as a result. And so this is the reality of
41:39
Speaker 13: the Labor Party's policy outcomes here in Australia, and so
41:43
Speaker 13: we are backing small businesses in the hospitality sector through
41:47
Speaker 13: this measure.
41:48
Speaker 3: Daniel, what are your concerns about this policy.
41:54
Speaker 14: Well, look, I just don't think it's a good policy. Firstly,
41:56
Speaker 14: so I think we're talking about a policy that, based
41:59
Speaker 14: on Treasury modeling, is estimated to be one point six billion,
42:02
Speaker 14: but up to ten billion dollars. And it's not only
42:06
Speaker 14: a poorly designed policy, but it's unfair. It's workers subsidizing
42:10
Speaker 14: long lunches for bosses. But secondly, Angus Taylor is saying
42:15
Speaker 14: that he thinks there's a different costing, but he won't
42:17
Speaker 14: release his modeling. He won't release the PBO costing. He
42:20
Speaker 14: says he'll release it at some point before the election,
42:23
Speaker 14: presumably at the last minute. Now, nature appaus a vacuum,
42:26
Speaker 14: so it's entirely reasonable for his figures to be tested.
42:30
Speaker 14: This figure he's asserting is based on documents he won't release.
42:33
Speaker 14: And I might just say I think Angus Taylor has
42:36
Speaker 14: a bit of confected outrage here. If you look back
42:38
Speaker 14: to the twenty nineteen election, Josh Friedenberg, when he was
42:42
Speaker 14: Treasurer and Angus Taylor was in that cabinet, had Treasury
42:45
Speaker 14: release a costing of a whole raft of ALP policies.
42:49
Speaker 14: So I really think Angus Taylor needs to take a
42:51
Speaker 14: good look in the mirror and calm down, and if
42:53
Speaker 14: he wants to challenge those numbers, he should release his costings.
42:57
Speaker 3: We've been speaking tonight about the other issue that dominated
43:00
Speaker 3: question time today, why the Prime Minister didn't know about
43:04
Speaker 3: the terror threat of the caravan with explosives. Bridget How
43:07
Speaker 3: concerning do you think this is?
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Speaker 13: I think it's an absolutely appalling state of affairs that
43:14
Speaker 13: the leader of our nation in the middle of a crisis, which,
43:18
Speaker 13: let's face it, shari As, you and I have discussed
43:20
Speaker 13: many times on your program, the escalation of aggression against
43:26
Speaker 13: Jewish Australians, the normalization of anti Semitic behavior and now
43:29
Speaker 13: alleged terrorist attacks in our communities, is of such consequence
43:36
Speaker 13: that the leader of our nation should be getting regular
43:40
Speaker 13: briefings throughout the summer break. Our concern is that Christmas
43:45
Speaker 13: Eve came and he wasn't getting those regular briefings. If
43:50
Speaker 13: this was occurring, if Peter Dutton was the Prime Minister
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Speaker 13: or James Patterson the Minister Prime of Affairs, our National
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Speaker 13: Security Committee would be meeting regularly with our intelligence agencies
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Speaker 13: and getting regular updates.
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Speaker 2: If there were.
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Speaker 13: Joint task force with State governments, we would know about
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Speaker 13: it and we wouldn't be afraid to give assurance to
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Speaker 13: our community, particularly in this case Australian Jewish community that
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Speaker 13: were onto it. We were across the issues and we
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Speaker 13: cared about the outcome so that we could act swiftly
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Speaker 13: if required. Right now, we don't have confidence that the
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Speaker 13: PM was across the issue and could have acted had
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Speaker 13: he needed.
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Speaker 2: To Daniel very quickly.
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Speaker 3: Why can't the Prime Minister just be upfront with Australians
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Speaker 3: about when he was briefed and if he wasn't briefed,
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Speaker 3: then why.
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Speaker 1: Not so Charie.
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Speaker 14: What the PM has said right from the outset is
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Speaker 14: that he's motivated first and foremost by community safety and
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Speaker 14: the national interest. He said that he's going to approach
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Speaker 14: this issue not by providing a running commentary, but by
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Speaker 14: giving the expert agencies the space they need to dig
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Speaker 14: into who is responsible for this now. The new South
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Speaker 14: wad As Police have said that a lot of the
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Speaker 14: publicity around him has hampered some of their strategies and
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Speaker 14: it's critical that the PM adopts an approach that is
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Speaker 14: maximizing the chances that we can get to the bottom
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Speaker 14: of this difficult situation. So he's behaving in an entirely
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Speaker 14: responsible situation and not providing a running commentary.
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Speaker 13: Well, no one's asking for a running commentary with the
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Speaker 13: hands off Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: It was just the date that he was briefed, something
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Speaker 3: that New Southwest Premier Chris Means was happy to admit
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Speaker 3: he was briefed on the January the twentieth, So it's
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Speaker 3: clearly not an operational matter. I think the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: just needs to be up front about this because he's
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Speaker 3: looking more and more tricky and he promised integrity when
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Speaker 3: he was campaigning for PM the last time. All Right,
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Speaker 3: Bridget Daniel, great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Now, coming up next, There's so much more to say
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Speaker 3: about Trump's plan. I'm going to have Kosher Gata joining
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Speaker 3: me right after this break. Okay for more analysis on
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Speaker 3: Trumpnetta Yahu's press conference, let's bring in now Sky and
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Speaker 3: Ney's contributed Koshagada Kosha, Great to see you. Look, clearly
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Speaker 3: this wasn't a thought bubble for Donald Trump. They were
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Speaker 3: pre prepared remarks that he very carefully read, so he
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Speaker 3: would have been waiting for this bombshell announcement for the
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Speaker 3: press conference with net and Yaho.
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Speaker 12: Indeed, this, along with all the other executive orders and
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Speaker 12: actions he's been taking, it's only been fifteen days in
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Speaker 12: his presidency, which is hard to believe have all been
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Speaker 12: a long time in the making. Actually, you can really
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Speaker 12: see how prepared he is this time with these measures.
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Speaker 12: But here, I think the question that everyone is asking
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Speaker 12: and few really know the answer to it. Only time
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Speaker 12: will tell is is this again a signature Art of
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Speaker 12: the deal style negotiating tactic where he's trying to shift
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Speaker 12: the overton window, reset the chess board all for the
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Speaker 12: purpose of bringing those Middle Eastern nations around to the table.
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Speaker 12: Or is he actually interested in developing this region? It
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Speaker 12: could be one or the other.
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Speaker 3: We'll find out, Yeah, exactly, And that's what we've been
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Speaker 3: discussing on the show tonight. Look, there's also a lot
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Speaker 3: of concern about Trump's trade deals. There's concern this could
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Speaker 3: be a trade will But do you buy those concerns?
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Speaker 2: Do you think they are a bit over the top?
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Speaker 3: Isn't he just you know, bringing Canada and Mexico to
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Speaker 3: fairer deals with the US.
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Speaker 12: So this is another one where again is it the
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Speaker 12: art of the deal and he's using it as a
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Speaker 12: negotiating tactic. I think in the case of Canada and
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Speaker 12: Mexico and Colombia, you could say that that is the
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Speaker 12: case because he used it. Within hours, they capitulated for
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Speaker 12: the superseding priority for him, which is immigration in the border,
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Speaker 12: so that takes precedence over the economic deficit. However, with
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Speaker 12: China and with others, I think this one actually there
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Speaker 12: is evidence that suggests it is a legitimate policy position
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Speaker 12: for him. He is a strong believer in tariffs and
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Speaker 12: shifting society from a consumption based society to a production
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Speaker 12: based society in America, even if that means higher prices,
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Speaker 12: it's better for jobs and unemployment and all of that
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Speaker 12: is something that I expect we are going to see
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Speaker 12: him actually push as a legitimate policy, unlike the Gaza statement,
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Speaker 12: which maybe is a little bit unknown and more of
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Speaker 12: a negotiating tactic.
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Speaker 3: We're also seeing news that it does look like RFK Junior,
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Speaker 3: you know, we'll get enough votes to become an America's
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Speaker 3: health secretary. Very controversial given his history of anti vaccination statements.
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Speaker 3: You know, what do you think about this? Is he
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Speaker 3: the right person to lead the health Department?
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Speaker 12: I think so. I mean, if you step back, it
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Speaker 12: is really a remarkable moment that you've got a Kennedy
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Speaker 12: assion of the Democrat Party, and he moved through the
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Speaker 12: confirmation preprocess with the party line vote where every single
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Speaker 12: Democrat voted against him and the Republicans did. I think
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Speaker 12: the reason why it's good is he is doing something different,
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Speaker 12: and he's really zooming out and reframing what the purpose
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Speaker 12: of this agency is in terms of food and agriculture
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Speaker 12: and dyes and chemicals and all sorts of things like that,
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Speaker 12: the entire structure of the healthcare system, not just being
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Speaker 12: pigeonholed into the vat's argument, which is where most of
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Speaker 12: his controversy has lied. And the good thing too, is
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Speaker 12: if it doesn't work out where he ends up being
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Speaker 12: this kook that some people think he might be, Trump
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Speaker 12: will fire him. Trump is very comfortable firing people. And
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Speaker 12: you know that's the backstop.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you look at the other figures who've been
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Speaker 3: involved in various health departments, not the actual health Department,
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Speaker 3: but you know, the Infectious Diseases Department, Anthony Fauci. At
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Speaker 3: least Trump's breaking the mold here. He's getting external people
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Speaker 3: in who who aren't beholden too the system because there
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Speaker 3: have been so many concerns about the current figures. You know,
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Speaker 3: we're seeing a lot of that information start to become declassified,
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Speaker 3: Kosha in twenty seconds.
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Speaker 12: Yes, absolutely, I think that's the through line through all
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Speaker 12: of these people. They're out of the box thinkers, they're
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Speaker 12: not behold into the establishment, and that is signature Trump.
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Speaker 3: No, indeed, it is all right, Kosha Gada. Really appreciate
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Speaker 3: your time tonight. It was such a busy news day today.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure tomorrow will be the same. It is every
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Speaker 3: single day. I have another big show tomorrow night. I'll
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Speaker 3: see you at eight pm. And thank you for watching
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Speaker 3: this evening. But right now, here's poor Murray.