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When Ghosts Solve Murders: Real Paranormal Cases That Led to Justice" · Eye Opener Society

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  Good afternoon, everybody. This is Anne Lund, and I'm coming to you on my podcast,
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  Haunted and Waiting, which can be found on the EyeOpener Society platform.
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  It can be found on YouTube, Spotify, Podbeam.
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  So if you haven't subscribed, please do so. I am one of several presenters on that venue.
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  Mine in specific deals with ghosts and haunting, which is my passion.
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  So let me start with today's topic, which is basically ghosts and crime scenes.
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  And if you know anything about me, I am an avid believer of ghosts and I do
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  believe that they do exist.
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  And I like to provide stories to justify or to verify their existence.
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  So in starting today's topic, what if a ghost testified at your murder trial?
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  And what if your spirit named your killer or showed up in someone else's dream
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  to point out where you were buried.
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  Well, in today's episode, we're going to explore some real cases where the dead
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  may have helped solve their own murders.
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  And basically, as an overview, I'm going to give you some historical as well
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  as modern ghost-solving cases that have been documented, as well as why ghost
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  stories might actually help justice, even if you don't believe in them.
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  There is a value to these stories.
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  So let me start with my own personal story, because I always like to make these
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  podcasts a little bit personal.
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  And this was a story that I had dotted in my marble notebook.
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  So for those of you that have read or listened to my other stories,
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  I have a marble notebook when anytime anything that I feel doesn't have a logical
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  explanation, I dart it down and then I look through it.
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  And this is one of the stories that I had dotted in that notebook.
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  This is a true story and it does come from a town in Europe.
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  It is a town that my parents both lived in and grew up in, and so this story
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  comes from them, as well as other relatives of that age that did remember this story as taking place.
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  So it's factual in that it was an oral tradition, so it was a story that was handed down orally.
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  And it does take place in a town in Europe. Don't want to give the name of the
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  town, but the setting would have been during World War I.
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  It consists of a mother, a father, and two brothers, adult brothers.
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  And I'm going to call this the case of the goats, and you'll see why.
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  So there were these two brothers who apparently one of them was very successful,
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  and he had raised a bunch of goats.
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  And this is how he made his money. But during World War I, he was called off
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  to battle, and he left to fight.
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  And in leaving for the battle, he left the goats to his younger brother.
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  And from what I gathered, the younger brother was a little bit...
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  A little bit loosey-goosey, if I could say, and not a very successful guy.
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  But he had no choice, and he left these goats to his brother for their care while he was gone.
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  Now, in the time that he was away for the war, these goats obviously had proliferated,
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  and there were more goats.
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  So they had babies, and there were a bunch of kids.
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  And so now, maybe where there was once 10 goats, maybe now there was 20, let's say.
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  When the brother came back, he wanted all of the goats back feeling that they were his.
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  Now, his brother's argument was, well, I fed them, I took care of them.
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  So yes, you can take your original 10 goats, but the babies are mine.
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  And for whatever reason, I felt like there could have been a compromise.
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  Maybe he could have said, okay, you take five of the babies and I'll take the other five.
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  But apparently they were headstrong about not wanting any kind of agreement there.
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  And so it became a real bad argument in which the younger brother ended up actually
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  killing the older brother.
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  And then he basically threw him in a ditch and left him there.
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  Now, the mother apparently, obviously very distraught, had no idea what had happened to her son.
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  Now the father on the other hand, it's not clear whether he actually knew something
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  was protecting the younger son, but he wasn't saying anything.
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  And then when the mother was asleep one day, she was woken up by the deceased
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  son who basically admitted to what had happened and basically,
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  my brother killed me and here is where I am.
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  Now, most people would say that the mother was grieving and she was filling
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  in these spaces, which would make a lot of sense.
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  I know I've had dreams. It doesn't necessarily mean they were true, but this son did give.
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  An actual setting as to where his body would be found. And so the next day, the mother,
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  against the urging of the father, and this is why I think the father might have
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  known something, ended up going to this area where the brother had given or
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  her son had given detailed directions on how to get there.
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  And his body was found in a bunch of cacti and he had died overnight.
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  So it could be a crisis apparition.
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  If you haven't heard that podcast, go to that one, or you can always go to my
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  blog, hauntedandwaiting.blog.
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  I do go into debt in that story about crisis apparitions.
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  So it could be that his ghost came to her just to say goodbye.
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  But the fact that he gave directions on how to find his body,
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  I feel it was more of a situation where he wanted his vindication.
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  I'm not really sure what happened to the brother after that.
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  I guess I can speak to my mom about that and I'll follow up.
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  And if I do have a blog post that's coming up, you can go on the blog post and
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  read what happened there.
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  But let's move on to some historical cases. And one of the ones that I found,
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  one of the oldest ones, comes from 1897, and this was in West Virginia.
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  So this is an American story. So we've crossed the pond, so to speak.
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  And this one is called The Green Bear Ghost. Okay, again, happened in 1897.
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  Well documented. I will link the story in my blog if you're interested. and the,
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  There was a woman that was found dead. Her name was Elva Zona Heister.
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  I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right. And it was deemed that she died of natural causes.
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  And so she was buried and what have you, and everything was fine.
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  Everyone seemed to believe that.
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  She was young. so um unfortunately her
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  mother um a few nights later um
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  mary jane heister claimed that her daughter
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  came to visit her again in the middle of the night and just like the previous
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  story um was telling her mother that she had been murdered again crisis apparition
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  yes but i think a little bit more because here she is telling her mother what
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  happened so crisis apparition is more like, I'm saying goodbye, I'm okay.
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  This is more like, I'm saying goodbye, but you've got it all wrong.
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  I was killed and here's some of the information you need to know.
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  And basically, she shocked the mother by saying that her husband,
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  a gentleman by the name of Ursumus, so the dead woman's husband had actually killed her.
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  So the mother, obviously very distraught, runs over to the authorities and nagging the authorities.
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  Listen, my daughter was murdered.
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  She was strangled. She actually told her that she was strangled.
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  And they asked, how do you know?
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  And she said, well, she came to me last night and told me.
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  And of course, the authorities were like, sure thing, whatever,
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  whatever you say. Remember now, this was 1897.
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  But she wouldn't leave. And apparently she was there for hours and she was urging
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  and begging. She's like, please, please, please, please, please.
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  The story got out that she was there. And then neighbors, apparently,
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  that knew the couple, had some suspicions that this couple maybe may not have
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  been as happy as they had initially seemed.
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  And so kind of the town rallied up against her, I mean, with her. And then...
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  That plus the story of the mother saying that the daughter came to visit her
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  eventually convinced the authorities to look into it a little bit further.
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  So the first thing they did was they went to the doctor, a gentleman by the name of Dr.
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  Knapp, who said that he admitted he's like, I really didn't do a complete examination of the body.
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  So, you know, I don't know, I guess it's possible she could have been murdered.
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  And so now that, those two things, neighbors saying, you know,
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  she may have been killed plus the dream portion or the ghost portion, they exhumed her body.
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  And so they had another autopsy, second autopsy. And again, the same year,
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  1897, I think it was like a month later.
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  They did it in a schoolhouse and it lasted three hours.
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  And at the end of that, the doctor Knapp did find out that her neck had been
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  broken and she had been killed.
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  And they went out, got some more evidence, and apparently then the husband was
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  convicted and charged of her murder.
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  So the evidence was so strong that the ghost had provided, and the news had
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  gotten out that a lynch mob actually formed.
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  And the townspeople actually went to the jail wanting to hang him,
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  but the mob was dismanded.
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  Obviously, they didn't lynch him, but he was convicted. And why this case is
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  so notable is it is the only United States trial where a ghost's testimony was
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  actually admitted as evidence. So...
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  And that led to a conviction. So it's interesting. I will link the blog, this and my blog as well.
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  Let's move forward now to 1977. We're in Chicago, Illinois, and there was a
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  woman by the name of Teresita Bassa.
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  This is a really sad case. This woman was murdered in 1977 in her house.
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  She was born in the Philippines in 1929.
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  So she was up there in age.
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  She was a very quiet, soft-spoken person, had no enemies. She became a respiratory
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  therapist wanting to help people.
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  She was the last person you would expect to be murdered. She had no known enemies, like I said.
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  And this is what was so difficult for the investigation of her trial. It was like no leads.
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  And apparently in February of 1977, there was a fire in her apartment.
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  And when they put out the fire, they found her body
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  um it was naked and there was a butcher's knife buried
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  in her chest um and so it seemed like this
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  fire was arson and whoever said it said it to hide the murder or any evidence
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  of um so no leads no motive um it kind of went like cold cold cold uh cold case
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  file i would imagine also that she was an immigrant probably not a lot of family
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  members here to keep the case going so they kind of just fell in the cracks.
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  It's more than five months later that one of her co-workers,
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  a woman by the name of Remedius Rimi Chua, I'm going to refer to her.
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  She's also from the Philippines.
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  I'm going to refer to her as Rimi because in all of the documents I've read,
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  they have the name Rimi in quotes.
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  So Rimi contacted detectives claiming that she had information about this murder.
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  And so the detectives met with her thinking, you know, She had some hard evidence,
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  but the only evidence she had was that Teresita,
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  the murdered woman, was appearing to her at night as an apparition,
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  begging her to go to the police and tell what had happened to her,
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  and namely that she had been killed.
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  And interestingly enough, she gave the name of her murderer,
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  a man named Alan Showery. This is what gets really weird.
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  Not only does she have the guy's name, but she provided details, namely that...
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  Teresita, the dead woman's jewelry, had been stolen. This was not originally discovered in the case.
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  And that this gentleman, Alan, had given the jewelry to his girlfriend.
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  Now, this gentleman had no connection to Remy.
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  This was just a name that was pulled out of the blue, and she didn't know the
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  guy, didn't know the guy had a girlfriend. So this was evidence that she couldn't
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  have gotten any way, shape, or form other than from this apparition.
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  Now, amazingly, once confronted this guy, Alan, he confessed to the murder.
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  And he confessed to giving the jewelry to his girlfriend and that being the
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  cause of the murder or the reason of the murder.
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  He served 14 years. Fortunately, it was released in 1983.
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  So this murderer is walking free right now unless he has passed, which is possible.
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  Okay, ready for some more? Because I'm going to go to Australia now,
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  Campbelltown, actually.
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  This story takes place in 1826. This was a really interesting case.
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  I found so many, but I kind of just pulled the really interesting ones.
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  So this one is about a man named Frederick Fisher, okay?
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  And it happened in 1826. Not a good man by any lack of the imagination.
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  He had already served 14 years for a white collar crime, But he had been released.
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  After his release, he bought some property, again, in Australia.
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  And he spent years there. He became a carpenter. Little shady of a guy.
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  You know, some stuff, but nothing really major. A lot of white-collar crime.
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  But apparently, this is where it gets good.
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  He ended up with a fight with his neighbor, a man named George Worrell.
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  And he ended up stabbing this guy.
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  So apparently, never been a physical...
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  Altercation, except for this one time where he stabbed his neighbor, a guy named George.
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  George doesn't die. He's injured. But he does go to the authorities,
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  obviously, where Frederick goes to jail again.
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  He gets what was called a light sentence. I'm not sure what that means. It didn't say how long.
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  But he does get released in 1826.
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  And then shortly after his release, he disappears. He disappears.
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  So George, the guy that was stabbed, said that he had information that this
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  guy, Fred, had committed some forgery and he was like, he left the country or
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  left the area because he didn't want to go back to jail.
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  Okay. Everybody kind of believed it in a way, but there was some suspicion,
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  especially after George ends up selling Fisher's horse and his personal belongings.
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  That caused more suspicion.
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  But here's where our ghost comes into play.
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  The ghost of Frederick Fisher, apparently, in October of the same year,
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  appears to this respected farmer by the name, I kid you not,
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  John Farley was his name.
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  And John Farley, again, because he was a respected farmer, a good standing,
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  he claimed and he swore that he saw the ghost of Frederick Fisher,
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  people had asked, well, maybe it was just Frederick Fisher.
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  And he was saying, no, it wasn't him because I saw him.
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  And then he kind of just faded away into a mist.
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  And he claims that when he saw him, he was pointing into a paddock in a creek.
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  And this creek was on George Worrell's land. Okay.
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  So this caused, again, the authorities to go to George's land,
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  where they found Fred Fisher lying in a shallow grave.
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  So this caused more investigations, which then proved that Worrell was in fact
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  the murderer, and it was just a case of revenge for having been stabbed.
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  He was eventually executed.
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  So that was that. I will link that story also in my blog.
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  So in closing, why might ghosts or representations aid in solving crimes?
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  Well, whether you want to actually believe that a ghost is actually giving a
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  message or not, or it's just coincidence,
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  there's a lot of reasons why ghosts or mention of a ghost, I should say, will help with a crime.
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  First of all, there's emotions involved, right?
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  Emotional resonance, we're going to call it so when these stories come out it
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  evokes an emotion in you like for instance.
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  You know, saying that her daughter came to her.
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  I mean, how could you not have an emotional response to that,
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  you know, or the other mother with her son?
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  So it raises a lot of emotions, and emotions cause action.
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  So, you know, something like that could actually cause an investigation to continue
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  where it would otherwise had ended.
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  There's also a thing called a memory stimulation. This is kind of weird,
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  but It's believed that when stories get out like this, it actually triggers
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  memories and witnesses that maybe they didn't remember at the time.
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  So, you know, for instance, if, you know, someone says something about jewelry
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  and, you know, the ghost was talking about jewelry and then a coworker says,
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  oh yeah, she had beautiful jewelry.
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  You know, the person might not have remembered that unless it was mentioned by a ghost.
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  So that's another situation that can happen.
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  It also sparks renewed public interest.
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  So any mention of a ghost is just going to make the public a little bit more interested in the case.
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  I know for me, for sure. There was an actual interesting case in 2024.
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  This just happened, actually.
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  And they call it the holographic revival of Betty Sabo's murder.
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  So Betty Sabo was murdered in the red light district in Amsterdam.
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  She was only 19 years old.
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  And so, you know, obviously, I shouldn't say obviously, she may have been a
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  night worker. a lot of times those cases don't get a lot of,
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  I guess, people don't look into them a lot. It's kind of almost expected, sad to say.
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  But the police department, what they did was they got a life-size hologram of
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  Betty, totally fake, not a ghost whatsoever.
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  And they posted it in Windows where she was depicting her reaching out with
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  the word help appearing on the glass.
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  So they actually created a ghost-like image of her. It wasn't really a ghost,
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  but they created this image and that,
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  caused them to look into the case itself and actually did solve the case,
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  believe it or not, just from this hologram.
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  So, and the other, the final thing is something called a psychological impact.
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  Perpetrators, when they are confronted with these things, so like in the case
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  of the woman that was burned,
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  when they came to the murderer and they said a ghost, her ghost said this about
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  you, he immediately confessed.
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  It's almost like they won't deny ghostly intervention or information from a
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  ghostly intervention, and they confess. And you can find a lot of those stories.
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  It becomes a fear factor with them. It's like they're scared,
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  like this ghost is after them, and they just confess to come clean.
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  So that's my last thing. So my final thoughts, whether you believe in ghosts
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  or not, these stories do show that the dead sometimes speak,
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  and when they do, justice listens.
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  So do you have your own spooky crime story? Just message us here at the Eye
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  Opener Society or you can find me on hauntedandwaiting.blog or hauntedandwaiting
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  on Facebook. It's a Facebook group, very small group by the way.
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  Or you can now find me on TikTok, hauntedandwaiting at annlund333 and then just message me.
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  Or you can even subscribe to my blog or to the podcast.
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  So you can get more stories on the podcast. I do share a story about once a month.
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  So I'd love to hear you or have you follow us there.
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  We have other presenters who we do a lot of stuff there.
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  And so not only ghost stuff, but a lot of metaphysical things.
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  So please join if you're into alternative ways of thinking.
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  So in closing, just remember, you yourself may be haunted and waiting and I
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  hope to hear from you soon. Goodbye. Hi, this is Anne Lund.