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BULLSEYE! · The Tom & Gerry Show Podcast

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  M M. Music brings me back. Tom. It's like a real what's
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  the world I'm looking Havelovian response, or I might just think it has been
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  desert again. No, that's that's Vanella. That's Vanella, VNI's Avde's finger.
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  There's a lot to be said for a Vne's finger, a lot to
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  be said for a Vehne's finger. Anytime I hear the music of the Tom
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  and Jerry Shows, like when I hear the Angels, such a sort of
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  pause and stop or turn. So if you're out there in podcast land and
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  the music came on, we hope you paused, stopped and turned, didn't
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  turn the fucking dial off, turn on. Most people listen while driving the
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  fucking vehicles Jerry. So if you don't mind, keep the head on pointing
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  straight, but imaginarily come to us to or a pull over, to a
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  safe place and then come to a stop and listen to start the Damagejerry Show.
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  And if you're driving a magic tractor, you can turn into a field.
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  How are you all keeping? How are you all keeping? It's the
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  town on Jerry Show. Back again. They said it shouldn't be done,
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  but here we are, and what you know, it's good to know our
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  intros are still as concise as they ever wear from. I'd love to hear
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  someone come to the show for the first time and listen to that first forty
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  five seconds of audio and wonder what fucking alien transmission it does. They say
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  you should have a set intro every single time, these are the rules of
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  programming and stuff like that, and you'll listen to the really big ones and
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  they'll have a hello, and it'll be the exact same thing every time.
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  People apparently have a place of comfort with that. But there is not one
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  fucking sinew in my body that will allow me to do it, Jerry,
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  because I can't. I can't. On repetition, I can't. I can
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  And also I wouldn't do it, do you? I wouldn't do it,
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  do you? I want to keep you should do this, and they say
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  you should do that, time to say you should do a fucking lots of
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  the I do not know what there's a two talking about what would seal what
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  would a serial style intro to this podcast or sounding like it like yeah,
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  I can't even do it, I can't even I can't even bring back can't
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  fucking bring usself to do it? And shouting hello the podcast from Tom.
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  But we should we should at least now three minutes in say who the hell
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  we are? Are you? Ah? Are you all keeping? Welcome back
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  to the Tom and Jerry Show if you're a long term fan, or welcome
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  to the Tom and Jerry Show if you've just Bella crosses. I am Jerry
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  McBride. He is Tom. O'Mahoney. Podcasters extraordinaire, it must be said
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  comedians, be they active or lapsed. I'm currently Jerry. You're like the
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  Jason Bourne a fucking comedy. You're like, you go off the grid every
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  so often and then suddenly then you come back and you kill a bunch of
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  people like christ. I think I'm enjoying what's known as like a Rick Flair
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  retirement, Like you know, I'm like, that's it, I'm done,
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  never wrestling again. And then someone comes with a ball of money. I'm
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  like, okay, yeah, okay, maybe list up the books one more
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  time. All right, right now, I'm like, you know, enjoying
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  my retirement so to speak, unless if we get going, who knows talk
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  to me in the comments and me and Tom have had a podcast. I've
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  had one of Ireland's longest running. It actually is onodcast. I think that
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  it was just we were the podcast and then more happened and then it became
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  a podcast, so we were actually I think we might have been the podcast.
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  Yeah, we are on season seven, year number six, and I
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  think this is like episodes six. We're not crazy, we're going the first
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  podcast we did. I think we put together a push chair for your child
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  who is now like he's nearly going to discos at This isn't Apprentice Electrician.
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  Uh no, he's ten. Okay, so it's ten years ago. Holy
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  shit, ten years, seven seasons, seventy episodes, seven episodes a year,
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  so you can see we're not fucking Russian in it. And here are
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  people Oh no, no, no, no, no, listen, there's
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  some they think in Barcelona, the Familia, that big church has taken over
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  one hundred years. I'm not referencing correctly at all. But what I'm trying
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  to say is look at they're beyond when they're on and now they're thankfully they're
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  on. And if you have we changed format a few times, at least
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  we're some way. You know, we haven't been absolutely stuck to her stuck
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  in the mud when it comes to that. But the last couple of seasons
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  we've been picking and obscured. I actually described this show this evening to a
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  build their mate, and his face just lit up with because he doesn't he's
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  only getting into podcasts, and he's just you have a podcast. I'll tell
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  you now. I'm going to just record and explained what the Tom and Jerry
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  Show was. And when I explained, like the Fred Dimming a deep dive
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  how to build a house, he was like, is it all? There's
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  no, it's not serious. There's who loads of dick jokes in between all
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  of this, ample amounts of dick jokes. We're silly, silly people,
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  but we do pick a subject that's obscure enough that interests those to the point
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  that we can talk for at least an hour, sometimes two to three.
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  But we're going to shy and curtail ourselves this season A seven. We're going
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  to keep them around the air marked on. I don't think people they don't
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  have it in them for for the like, we're talking people not a week
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  at them sometimes and I can't we can't be doing that to people, don't.
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  I don't know if other podcasts we listened to it, but we will.
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  We'll be starting this season. So for to sit on this is But
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  as Tom says, the Tom and Jerry Show started off as a shite talking
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  podcast and luckily has still retained a lot of that DNA to say, sharks
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  have been around since the time of the dinosaurs, but they're not really the
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  same sharks. But it's still a fucking shark if you get me right.
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  We have evolved into still a shy talking podcast, but we talk sh about
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  just things we like exactly. So when we pick a subject, Jerry throws
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  it. Almost every subject Jerry has ever thrown at me or I've thrown at
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  him, we're like, yeah, yeah, there's no there's I don't can't
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  think of one where we went I don't know about they're people going to But
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  because we've picked subjects that we like exactly and for the for the audience out
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  there likes them, thank you very much for listening. We're great to be
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  back here. For great to have you back here, I should say,
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  for season seven, and we're going to kick it off Tom with a subject
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  that was top of our list nearly made it into season six, except we
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  were too fucking lazy to tag on it wouldn't know. It wouldn't have gone
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  right in season six. It wasn't right. For season six, we've done
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  enough, We covered enough eighties based nostalgia exactly north of England before before we
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  do anounce what've you've all read? Read the title because I'm going to forget
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  it for sure at the end. If you are listening on Spotify, whatever
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  fucking sound fair blake you and leave us a comment and follow us on all
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  the usual platforms. Git Bright over there, Oh man, you're easy to
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  find. Jerry, Please tell the people what You're going to be absolutely poorned
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  on our next season. This topic, Tom, is one that me and
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  you both loved and we've chatted about a lot over the years, and we
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  often asked in season six would we get a full podcast out of it?
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  And we kind of said that we would, and we did, and we
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  just never did. But it was the prime choice to start off season seven
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  with. Here it is our love for an eighties game show based around darts
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  called bulls Eye. Bulls Eye? How could you have it? Was it
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  Sunday evening? It was that, it was indeed Sunday evening, Tom,
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  I remember bulls Eye being a Sunday evening thing. Now I am informed,
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  and I'm aware that as the years rold on, it kind of got moved
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  around and it got more like the it got more like the Saturday afternoon before
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  Gladiators spot. Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah yeah. But in my youth, bulls Eye was a
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  Sunday evening show. I seem to recall it. I'm moneing around about tea
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  time or thereabouts. It was a nice little cap off to the week that.
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  Okay, Glenn Rowe always seemed like a bit of a death knell to
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  the weekend that was I talked about this, the death knell or the Glenn
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  Roe blues knew you that you had school the next day where the world might
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  pick you up a small bit, all right, Because tri Slow is gorgeous,
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  and I think everybody fancied her not to be cared anything about you know,
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  geography or whatever else. But we didn't give a fuckwear in the world
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  we are. But before that you had your last of the summer wine,
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  and you had your you had your bulls And again, Tom, I don't
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  know what it is that, like you know, Irish people are drawn to
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  Northerners. No, I was just gonna say Northern English people. I think
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  last English people. I think it's just like you know it, we can
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  We're like, okay, yeah, I know them london Ers and all them
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  fucking attacher and all that kind of crack. No, clearly, clearly pricks,
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  But like the Northerners are working class in this seam. I guess all
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  right, maybe you could have a point with them. Maybe not the squaddies,
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  but the miners. I listen, I gigged enough in the no Off
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  of England, and I can confirm exactly what you think. They think like
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  we think, because for the longest time they've never felt attached to London in
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  much in the same way that we never felt attached to London, even the
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  technically we were for But there seems to be they're on board with the ship
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  we're into and there their blue collar, down to earth people. Listen.
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  We have our absolute bellens here who wouldn't have a care in the world for
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  a ballpinhammer or a fucking you know at self tapping fucking screw. We have
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  those two, but it would see no otherans. For some reason, we
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  do enjoy yeah watching it till yeah. And if you're a listener from London,
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  the feud is over, you know, thank you for your listenership.
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  We're sure you're signing too. But if you're wondering why it is me and
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  Tom have such an attachment two bulls Eye, or why indeed two people are
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  talking about a game show thirty years after the fact, maybe you've never heard
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  of bulls Eye, or maybe you're right here going yeah, yeah, bulls
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  Eye. If you've watched bulls Eye, you're gonna know what we're talking about.
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  If you've never seen bulls Eye before in your life, well listen along
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  please for the next hour. We're going to tell you all the things we
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  loved about it, and you can watch a whole old episodes of it on
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  YouTube if you're so inclined. If you stick on, like Challenge or Dave
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  or some shit like that around about eleven o'clock to night, you're you're bound
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  to fall across a couple of episodes, But Tom, we're gonna, we're
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  gonna take a little, a little dive into bulls Eye and how it made
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  the mark on our lives that only a flying dart could make, like Jesus
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  Christ one hundred ninety. I gotta tell you again, when we say Sunday
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  evening's Tom like every Sunday evening, it seems even though that bulls Eye ran
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  in its original form from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety five. Now,
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  I was born in nineteen eighty Tom, so obviously I wasn't sitting in the
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  ashes watching Bullseye as one year old. But by the time I came up
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  to four and five and six, it had just become a part of of
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  life. Most seasons were thirty episodes long, so it was basically the whole
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  year, like it was thirty Sundays of Yeah, Jesus Christ. Most of
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  them were like twenty four to twenty four to thirty episodes long. I heard,
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  I heard the host Jimbo more on him in a second. I heard
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  him saying that they would basically come in. They did it like deal or
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  No Deal. Yeah, and I suppose a lot of other game shows as
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  well. I guess the Chase does it as well. As that. They
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  would come in and fill them like four episodes in a day and do that
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  every day for a fortnight or three weeks and then just fuck off for the
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  rest of the year. Like that. We were done for the year.
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  Of course they were. Jim. I mean, Jim was just imagine as
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  a comic landon that gig, just come in, bash it out to two
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  or three of them of the day, ship out an audience, shipping a
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  new audience, bash them all out, and just kept that going for fourteen
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  years. So it went from I was a child, was christ that I
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  was fifteen years old? And Tom, sure you were. You were probably
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  about fourteen and a year, about a year younger than you want to hear
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  something that really fucking weirded me out. I don't know, God, it's
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  just, you know, it's a weird of thinking. You know, I'm
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  forty two now, okay, fresh faced as you can see, beautiful.
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  I was born eleven years after the moonlanding. Jesus, you were born twelve
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  You were born twelve years after the moonlanding. Holy fuck, because that's weird
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  forever. It's a weird way of looking at it, isn't it. Literally
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  there's the Pyramids, Eiffel Tower, Moonlander, that's history that I'm like,
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  the moonlanding. Oh well, me, dad wasn't born for Yeah he was.
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  My dad was a grown ass man. He could have driven the fucking
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  thing. He could. Yeah, he could have commentated on it. Fuck
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  sure he did. As weird, it's a weird way of looking at it,
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  isn't that. Fuck he Jerry, that's the end of the podcast.
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  You had to ruin a But then, like, you know, I could
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  turn around and said I was also born like seventeen years after Kennedy was killed,
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  And I was like, yeah, that sounds about right for someone who
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  doesn't that sounds about right. Yeah, that sounds about right. But for
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  some reasons, eleven years since the moon land last last night, we don't
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  be lame wig looking at the fucking ceiling untile trees. I don't think we
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  become sentient into a fucking thirteen and fourteen anyway. You know, till you've
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  seen you've seen a couple of movies in the cinema and stuff like that,
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  you become fully sentient and you think back, because even your kids are going
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  to think back and go, what fuck me, I was born just fucking
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  eleven or twelve years after nine to eleven, and in their head in their
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  thirties and forties, that are going to go that was clearly a million years
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  ago when people still bothered flying in planes. They couldn't just transport themselves on
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  the fucking star treky thing, which your kids, our kids will be able
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  to do. Just planet that we haven't destroyed. Anyway, we're getting off
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  point. This is what happens if you're doing the Jerry Show. We can
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  only apologize these one hour podcasts have ranted three hours with this arion. So
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  here's the thing with here's the thing with bulls. Before we get to bulls,
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  we first have to get around the sport that it's based around, which
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  is darts. Throw darts in a pub. If you've ever been in a
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  pub, chances are you been in a pub that has a dartboard on it.
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  If ye haven't been in a pub that has a dartboard and there's one
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  next door, it's just a very simple pub game. If you need me
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  to explain it, I can't throw darts at a board. I can't.
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  I can't your score scorsese to go from five hundred and one to zero wins
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  of frame and there you go. That's that's the simplest way start boats.
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  Start off at five oh one first to zero. And there's been there's been
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  darts for many and many years, but it seems to be tom. The
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  darts hit a particular stride in the nineteen eighties, along with snooker and bowls
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  as well. And the reason for this, you know, you would hear
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  apockeyfull stories of it, is that the advent of color television meant that people
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  needed more colorful sports to show on them. For example, snooker was great
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  one that never really worked in black and white because he couldn't tell the color
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  of the balls from each other. But when it came along the color television,
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  all of a sudden, snooker popped. And in the eighties, all
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  of a sudden, snooker was hot. Shit. You and me grew up.
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  Everybody was buying a waistcoat. Everybody was buying a waistcoat in seven chalk
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  and the thing chalking the queue like you knew what that you were sitting at
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  me. They were sitting at home as a child in a waistcoat smoking Benson
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  and Hedges with my mother's glasses turned upside down on the end of my nose
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  like Dennis Taylor. Because because because you had this suit, this snooker superstars
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  try out a couple of times on a podcast town you had the snooker superstars
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  of the day, or if you're Steve Davis's and your Hurricane Higgins and your
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  John and Barron and and so on and so forth, so like it was
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  big noise. I mean it was. It was a very easy sport to
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  fill them. You didn't need multiple cameras running around the place like a football
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  game or cricket around like that. I'm sure it was certainly cheap to cover.
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  Cheaper than first division football, which was probably very expensive. I had
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  a lot of players to pay a lot of cash to fall out. But
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  snooker, I'd imagine it was quite cheap to get on TV. And the
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  characters that inhabited it just made it like, you know, it was like
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  you know, it was like the w WF. You know, he had
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  these larger than life Alex Hurricane Higgins everywhere Higgin him and he's smoking like fifty
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  bents and hedges during the game, like Steve Davis was like the thoughtful youngster,
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  fresh face, the complete anthesis of it and and all this kind of
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  thing, and so be it as well. With darts, it was a
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  really easy thing to show on TV. It was it was and I don't
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  know about you, Tom, but something about turn based sports that I really
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  love. I'm not so I'm not so big on like two teams of football
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  just clashing together in the middle of the field and whatever happens. But like
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  a turn based sports like darts, like I'll take a turn, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah. You take a turn, and I'll take a
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  turn, and you take a turn, and we're just gonna go at this.
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  I never thought about like turn yeah, it turns you. I take
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  a turn, you take it that you know, lawn bowls. I fucking
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  love lawn bowls. I'm a roller ball I'm gonna roll a ball down here.
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  Okay, now you take a goal. I just oh sorry, I'm
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  not going to get go seven minutes after your bawl finally gets the end of
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  Oh no, no, no, it's it's We grew up in the eighties
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  when there was no sasm or gang, you know what I mean, Like
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  we had just watch lawn bowls just like just rolling over the grass, rolling
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  up the base. So so be it with with darts. Darts was hot
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  shit coming out of the seventies with the advent of color television. It was
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  it was easy to easy to fill them, easy to get a crowd going.
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  And to this day darts is hot shit now. And somebody had a
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  great idea of why don't we take one of these slow, methodical turn based
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  sports and combine it with general knowledge and make a quiz show. And while
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  snooker got its turn a little bit later with that exact format, and we'll
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  talk about that at the end, darts beat it to the punch with a
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  show devised by two guys called Andrew Wood and Norman Vaughan, and that show,
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  tom is the subject of our podcast today, bulls Eye. It definitely
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  device. We're having points playing darts, for sure. For sure they were
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  having pints playing darts. Gone. We just put the table quiz that's happening
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  in that room over there, combine it with this that is I guaranteed sure
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  pub quiz over there, And it was like, I, you know,
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  I bet you this, I bet you that, I bet you know,
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  I'll bet you. I bet it's ten pounds. I'll get one eighty on
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  the next one. A little bit of gambling. Okay, you did you
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  win? Okay? Yeah? What's that over there? What's the where?
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  Where? What two countries? Did the sewers? Can I go through?
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  It was just this sort of you go smash them together. And the guy
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  is Andrew Andrew Wood and Norman Vaughan who was a comedian in his own right,
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  although not one that I'm wildly familiar. Tom. They devised, sold
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  and made this show called bulls Eye. So let's make the show time.
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  Let's let's let's make the show. Let's have the rule. So first the
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  whole well before we even get before we get to the to the to the
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  rules, Tom, we need a format, formats format we needs when we
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  eased. We need a host for this show. We need somebody that can
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  take this show to the public. And that man was not jim Boone.
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  No, jim Boone said he was like fifth choice or something. Jim Boone
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  was fifth down the line. Now he never said who was the first four
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  that beat him to it, But eventually the honor of hosting bulls I fell
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  to an English comedian called Jim Boone who would have been kind of known at
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  the time from a show on ITV which was bulls Eye eventual home called the
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  Comedians, Tom, which was a little bit too early in in in the
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  in the run for me to have seen it. But the Comedians would have
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  had Jim Bowen and Bobby Davrow and yeah this Lionel Blair and all this kind
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  of all this sort of level. Where are they now actors? Actors I
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  say, comedians that eventually went on to get their own their own shows down
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  the line, like Bobby Davreaux had a show the Cannon and Balls and all
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  this kind of thing of this world had a show, And the gag in
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  question was indeed jimbo no spring Chicken at this time, Tom. He was
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  born in nineteen thirty seven, so there's quick stumps there, forty three,
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  forty one. But he looked aged, Jerry, he looked aged even from
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  the first one he did forty one, Tom. I mean, if we
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  if we listened to this podcast all along, he was thirty when the moon
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  landing happened, but he was he wasn't fucking he was a old look,
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  it wasn't he like he just never seen Yeah, did you ever seen the
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  Twitter accounts of footballers in the eighties, And it's all these all these lads
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  that are like twenty five and they've got like no hair, colleague, they
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  mounted n kind of had a bit of a comeb over, and he's big
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  Nana glasses on and big dear Dre Barlow glasses. Yes, and he's sounded
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  like an outfellow when he spoke, like the kind of semi inappropriate a lots
• 20:59
  of times the ship was covering. I mean, here's the thing he was.
• 21:02
  He was a he was a comedian, Tim. We're going to get
• 21:03
  into it in a little second where he cut his teeth, but he was
• 21:07
  a comedian force and foremost. And then this is said, can you can
• 21:10
  you can? You We we know from your experience working on the show the
• 21:14
  Comedians that you can. You know you can do in front of a live
• 21:18
  studio audience. And you can. I'm sure you've heard the expression, Tom,
• 21:22
  you can find the camera, you know what I mean? You can
• 21:23
  you can not have your be standing there talking to the fucking wall. You
• 21:26
  know you can. You have good stage presence and all that kind of thing.
• 21:30
  So if we just give you questions on a card, the rest is
• 21:33
  down to you. And he said, yes, I absolutely couldn't candidate,
• 21:37
  And as we'll come to find out, Tom No, we probably couldn't you
• 21:41
  know who, paper won't refuse ink, don't you know? Interesting tibet,
• 21:45
  on on on on Jim himself, Jim Boone's not his real name, Tom
• 21:49
  No. Sorry, he was born Peter Williams, don't you know. But
• 21:53
  then they didn't keep that name. He changed his name to James Whittaker.
• 21:57
  You know, Oh, James Whittaker. Yeah, James Whittaker. He was
• 22:00
  born Peter Williams, but he was put up for adoption by his mom.
• 22:03
  I don't know if he ever met his mom ever. Again, that's not
• 22:07
  on Wikipedia. Maybe I'll just added in people can do that he did happy
• 22:11
  ending, who knows. But no, he was born Peter Whittaker and then
• 22:15
  changed his name to Sorry barn born Peter Williams, and then changed his name
• 22:19
  to James Whittaker and then well, just for a stage name. I believe
• 22:26
  I read it on Wikipedia that his well he got Jim from James yeah,
• 22:30
  yeah, yeah, and his I think his wife was called Brown and his
• 22:37
  grandmother was called Owen's. So he put them together and got bone. Oh
• 22:41
  that's do you know what it is? It's a bit more of a working
• 22:42
  class sounded name of Whittaker too, isn't that? I will like I was.
• 22:48
  I was reminded when I was looking that upcom that's one thing that that
• 22:52
  is. It's a stage name. I kind of knew Jim Bowen was a
• 22:56
  stage name. And okay, James, you know that James Wicker kind of
• 23:00
  okay. And then he's like, no, Peter Williams, like this fucking
• 23:03
  three names. He's like face from the A Team. This is this is
• 23:07
  fact. I'm gonna I'm gonna lay some knowledge on that. This is the
• 23:11
  This is bonus knowledge. You fuckers. Get the audience of the Tom and
• 23:14
  Jerry showed him face from the A Team Tooma's real name is he's Templeton Peck.
• 23:19
  Templeton Peck while spotted sor Yes, well done that man. But I
• 23:23
  don't know where in my role at the ex brain that came from right now,
• 23:27
  and that I didn't. I didn't cut that people that, but that's
• 23:30
  in there. That's in there, Summer. You know that face from the
• 23:32
  A Team's real name is Templeton Peck. But that's not his real name.
• 23:34
  Of course, it's not his real name. Not his real name. His
• 23:37
  real name is Alvin Brenner. He chose the name Templeton Peck. He was
• 23:41
  raised Alvin Brenner and chose the name Templeton Peck as an alias when he joined
• 23:45
  the army. But then come to find out, his fucking real name is
• 23:48
  not Alvin Brenner either. He was born Richard Bancroft and put up for an
• 23:52
  option where the name Alvin Brenner was putting him, and then he chose Templeton
• 23:56
  Peck. And he's just more commonly known as face. So like he went
• 24:00
  on to host a TV show about But Jim was Jim was. He was
• 24:10
  a teacher, Tom he was like he was a pe teacher that came out
• 24:12
  of the army. So Jim Bowen as a pe teacher. Oh yes,
• 24:17
  watch a good one, Tom, a good one. Kids on the beep
• 24:22
  test. Look you failed yourself. You're gonna you gotta about and not about
• 24:26
  three eight the he was he was a pe teacher and then went on to
• 24:30
  be like a deputy headmaster. He might actually been a real headmaster for all
• 24:33
  that, but then dabbled in the school drama and that led itself to a
• 24:40
  career as a stand up comedian. Apparently, apparently that's the career path back
• 24:45
  in the day. It's not just fucking have a goal when you're twenty seven,
• 24:48
  like you and me, and and he cut his teeth in the working
• 24:52
  Men's Club. Oh he's all that. Like I've watched I've watched specials of
• 24:56
  his and i'd see like he did a fierce, fierce, charming, fierce
• 25:03
  charman, very charming, very affable and all this kind of thing. But
• 25:07
  let's talk about the working men's clubs of England, Thomas. I've heard that
• 25:11
  time and time again, usually in a derogatory sense of where that's a very
• 25:14
  workingman's club kind of comedy. And I never really kind of question what the
• 25:18
  working man's club was, which is ironic because the Workman's Club in Dublin is
• 25:23
  actually it's it's quite a it's quite a hip liberal let's kind a place which
• 25:30
  yeah, wouldn't be watching to associate the Workman's Clubs of England of the age
• 25:36
  in England of the eighties. But like the workmen's clubs of the eighties,
• 25:40
  tom or not even the eighties, because they go back to like the eighteen
• 25:44
  hundred. They were originally designed to keep working men out of the pubs.
• 25:55
  And let's see how that turned out. They were originally designed to to keep
• 26:00
  him out of the pubs. It was a workingman's club, so it was
• 26:02
  more like a social place to come in and have a crack. And there
• 26:06
  were a place of education, so it's like, you know, come in
• 26:07
  and we might teach you how to fucking weld, and you know, it's
• 26:11
  kind of like false corsi kind of thing, you know, right right,
• 26:15
  yeah, you know, kind of come in and like, you know,
• 26:18
  okay, you're you're there like doing dog's body work. Well you're only a
• 26:22
  young lad, howbit we educate up with? But now maybe you can be
• 26:23
  like an electrician or something and maybe like, you know, further yourself and
• 26:27
  better yourself and you know, stay off the drink. But fuck me,
• 26:32
  now that we're all here, now, I find I find myself with a
• 26:34
  very thirsty anybody have any material or maybe some tools that we could put together
• 26:41
  a bar shaped object. I'm just bitballing here, guys. And while we
• 26:45
  have a bar, there is anybody, can we can nail fucking things on
• 26:48
  going or something right now for the crack, A couple of guys get a
• 26:51
  guitar in the corner there, not every night, but not every night of
• 26:55
  the weekend. Maybe maybe have a comedian here every tort or something like that.
• 26:57
  That's that's how it evolved, Tom, That's how it evolved. Like
• 27:00
  someone decided that, like, hey, if we have hundreds of men in
• 27:03
  the one place every night of the week when the block off from working to
• 27:07
  the working Man's club for to socialize and fucking talk about the miserable drudge that
• 27:11
  are working, leaves are like fucking sell them a couple of pints. Why
• 27:15
  not? And it was there. The idea is it's kind of like,
• 27:18
  you know, and the what do they call them? An America? You
• 27:21
  know, And that's like it's not all it's what did they called oh,
• 27:26
  you know, they wear beaver hats and stuff like the lodges, lodge,
• 27:32
  lodge, the basically like it probably started off with that notion and then all
• 27:36
  of a sudden, drink entered it and it was like and then before you
• 27:38
  know it, Norah is wearing tassels on her nipples and she's doing a dance
• 27:44
  for anybody, you know, for a lad that needs a wheelchair. That's
• 27:47
  the that's the that's the evolution of these things that you know, we can
• 27:49
  sell these lads lads points and pine in chips or whatever it might be,
• 27:53
  and then fuck it while I here, maybe we'll throw on a bit of
• 27:56
  entertainment for them. So we'll throw on you know, like bands, singer
• 28:02
  songwriter, fucking get a magician in one night, what the hell? The
• 28:06
  next night we'll get comedians. And the comedians all of a sudden started to
• 28:10
  get regular book gigs in these working men's clubs down through the years where they
• 28:14
  would have their comedy slot every Thursday night or every Friday night, whatever it
• 28:18
  was that was comedy night. And you're playing to a predominantly male audience,
• 28:23
  exclusively working class or not, I fucking fancy alternative comedy. Just play the
• 28:30
  hits, you know, get the laughs and such like. And I guess
• 28:32
  like down through the years, you know, some places would have sort of
• 28:37
  said, okay, we'll go for like the low rent based humor. You
• 28:41
  know, how did the vote around here? We go into that, the
• 28:48
  like said Bernard Manning apparently was incredible in that he would go and do that.
• 28:52
  He apparently he was he was like you could tell he was super talented,
• 28:56
  but he was super crude, and so it was all all apparently for
• 29:00
  this character he was building and it's just talking somebody that worked with him before
• 29:03
  as a producer and said he was Oh no, he was a phenomenon.
• 29:07
  He could go and do a gay club and do gay material. Unbelievably.
• 29:12
  He'd go and he'd go across town and do an hour of clean material for
• 29:15
  a carpet, and then he'd go to Workman's Club and the port Way to
• 29:18
  be a big workman's club that would be paying him thousands, and he'd go
• 29:22
  and do that foulishy. He could do three vastly different shows in one night.
• 29:26
  I've only heard the one time. Yeah, this was it, and
• 29:30
  you see, the only one being televised, and the one that paid the
• 29:33
  most was that character. And he was happy to play it because in his
• 29:34
  head he was an actor, he was a performer, and it was that's
• 29:37
  who that was who he was playing, and that's who he's paying them before
• 29:41
  you know when they're paying and you're feeling paper won't reviews ink and it was
• 29:48
  acceptable at the time to say the kind of shit he was saying, well,
• 29:51
  this is it too, and as well as well as we'll come to
• 29:52
  down the line, like you know, it's the room of many a man
• 29:56
  not jumping ahead and anything like that. But it was determined that these working
• 30:00
  men's club working men's clubs were boorish and and you know, racist and and
• 30:06
  and all this kind of all this kind of shit. But what it did
• 30:08
  produce, for good or for ill was rafted comedians. At the time.
• 30:14
  Again, your your previously mentioned hailing pass your cannon and balls, your Bobby
• 30:18
  dab Rose, and people could be listening to fuck are these people that you're
• 30:22
  talking about? These are the people that were on TV five nights a week
• 30:26
  in air, you to Tom, And we didn't have social media at the
• 30:32
  time to check what cannon and balls politics were at the time, hailing pace,
• 30:37
  they were just like funny people on the Telly doing hosting game shows and
• 30:41
  hosting quizzes and shit like this and so beet which and not for nothing as
• 30:44
  well, Tom, They see them working men's clubs with the comedy hours on
• 30:48
  them, people say, yeah, well, how would you make a living
• 30:52
  out of that? There was about four thousand of them in the country.
• 30:55
  Yeah, that was the thing, and people would fucking go and they wanted
• 30:59
  to commit in every single Thursday night. Yeah, so even it really did.
• 31:04
  Lads cut their teeth and if you're going to work those clubs, you
• 31:07
  are going to come out bulletproof, like you're gonna you know, that's that's
• 31:11
  what That's what came to to pass with Jim as we go on here now
• 31:15
  with with them with bulls eye like he could he could work a crowd,
• 31:19
  he could roll with the punches, he could allow himself to get heckled,
• 31:22
  and they could keep things back on tract like you know, you know,
• 31:26
  the actual reading of question cards and shit like that stumped them every now and
• 31:30
  then. But he could just sort of take a punch and roll on with
• 31:33
  it and make light of it and make fun of it and and get a
• 31:36
  good rapport with people. Because again, Tom, like it was just training.
• 31:38
  He was working in these working men's clubs every week, possibly every night
• 31:42
  of the week, around the country, just going around a just reputation.
• 31:48
  Tom. But you could see it, you could see it. I remember
• 31:52
  he was, you know, the poor awkward a couple jump ahead of you
• 31:56
  now, because you're gonna explain the game, the format. But the couple
• 31:59
  would come out. They might be two buddies, like a decent darts player,
• 32:01
  and put the couple would come out the noors. The noor would cut
• 32:05
  and he said what And the woman always had these Dennis Taylor glasses. They
• 32:08
  were literally like two television screens bolted to the front of their face with these
• 32:13
  fucking scaffle bars up the side. And he goes, I want you to
• 32:15
  do yourself both and she I'm a housewife. Oh housewife, they don't do
• 32:21
  it. Housewife, ask good now, because you know they don't have to
• 32:24
  do much. Needs they do they And he turned to the audience and of
• 32:28
  course everybody would be on it, and it'd be him and the audience for
• 32:30
  thirty seconds. And he turned back and basic elbow, you wanted the guts
• 32:34
  and like all we joking, both all we joking, and in fairness,
• 32:37
  she knew he was only joke and she loved She was like the same.
• 32:42
  Woman was like, you're bastard. You know. She didn't get she didn't
• 32:45
  really gets nice to be on Telly. Nice to be on Telly. Here
• 32:49
  it was there was at one point and again, I'm getting ahead, but
• 32:52
  just because I'll forget it, there was a five year waiting list to be
• 32:57
  in the audience, to be in the audience. We are gonna get into
• 33:00
  all this tom, how popular this goddamn show is that we are still talking
• 33:04
  about it thirty fucking years later. But before we get into that, let's
• 33:07
  talk to the rest of the crib, because we have Jim there, first
• 33:12
  time hosting the TV show, a TV quiz show. He was already on
• 33:16
  the he was already on the Comedians, was first time hoping that hosting a
• 33:20
  TV show, And I believe the first couple of years this guy wasn't around.
• 33:22
  But after a little while, I said, we need another voice on
• 33:24
  this. So the broad and Tony Green, who was by himself a professional
• 33:29
  darts player, but he was also a darts commentator. Yeah he was.
• 33:32
  Yeah, yeah, they brought him in to be the I keep saying referee,
• 33:37
  but I smoos umpire is a better award for a time? Yeah?
• 33:39
  I suppose, yeah it was. He was kind of the score he was.
• 33:44
  I imagine, do you remember George Doors on Ye Stars? Yes?
• 33:49
  What are the scores? George Doors? Shut up your I'm eating the scone
• 33:54
  the scores or ricer, you know, and he was that too. It
• 33:59
  was a good idea to keep it because Inverness, Jim kind of Jim was
• 34:02
  kind of shite in a brilliant way, but he needed some legitimacy. It
• 34:07
  seems to me that after the first couple of the first couple of years of
• 34:12
  bulls Eye, when Jim was having to do any everything, ask questions,
• 34:15
  keep can't keep scores because Jim would be beside the board doing the whole trouble
• 34:20
  nineteen all this kind of crack. But it was clear I was kicking his
• 34:22
  ass to do fucking hard sums in his head. So they got in Tony
• 34:25
  to do the scores and point people around the place. And Tony Green really
• 34:31
  was that sort of special sauce to bulls Eye, and he and Jim's sort
• 34:36
  of rapport and they'd come on at the start of the show and they'd have
• 34:38
  little sort of back and forth and do little bits and skits kind of at
• 34:42
  in debt but like you don't hate them. Yeah, So now we've got
• 34:49
  a good ass show going. We've got a host, we've got a concept,
• 34:52
  we've got a studio audience full of people so what do we need next,
• 34:55
  Tom? We need contestants. Yeah, we need contestants. And as
• 35:00
  you said yourself, there was a five year waiting list to be in the
• 35:04
  audience footballs at its peak, and the list to actually be a contestant on
• 35:08
  it was nearly that long. Now here's here's the thing I want to say
• 35:12
  about Bulls Eye before we go any further. That it was a ground up
• 35:16
  success, Tom. It was a completely new concept that the makers of Bulls
• 35:21
  I came up over a lot of the quiz shows that we would have known
• 35:23
  at time. Uh were just spin up for example. Yeah, they were
• 35:28
  just they were They were redos of of American shows. Player cards, right,
• 35:30
  was a thing called card Shark in America in the seventies. And then
• 35:32
  they just said, okay, take it over here and stick Bruce Foresight on
• 35:36
  it. Uh. Prices right as an American concept, will a fortune?
• 35:44
  Uh God, there's more. There's more. There is more but family fortunes
• 35:49
  and make your parton family fortunes. That's what I'm trying to think of.
• 35:51
  Family fortunes was called family feud in America and the America. You know that
• 35:54
  one and the gamebout in the physic, so just and redone it and planted
• 36:00
  in British TV, so it was sort of like, you know, okay,
• 36:02
  we'll take it over here, and with sick like Bruce foresight. Everybody
• 36:06
  loves Bruce tried and testas. So Bulls Eye was really sort of like a
• 36:09
  shot in the dark that weren't really certain that it was going to be the
• 36:13
  runaway hit that it was. But I think like the concept of it is
• 36:15
  so baked in the in the sort of working class North of England style.
• 36:22
  I guess this is the world I'm looking for, Letty. They were giving
• 36:24
  away a few pounds, and of course they we're giving away a few pounds.
• 36:28
  So let's let's let's talk about the people that we seen on Bulls Eye.
• 36:32
  You needed two contestants, tom okay, so we're going to get into
• 36:35
  the game here top of people that have never known I. All you know
• 36:37
  now is that a host that may or may not be racist hosting it and
• 36:43
  a guy accountant at the side. And it was a rip war and success.
• 36:45
  But let's talk about the people that are playing this goddamn game. Tom
• 36:47
  Okay. You had two people per team, three teams per show for six
• 36:53
  people for the whole god damn thing. Each team comprised of a darts player,
• 37:00
  a thrower, a thrower as they were known in later episodes, and
• 37:05
  a question answerer, the knower, the noer. Don't know what these fucking
• 37:12
  catchphrases throat, So the throwers and the noors. And I think I think
• 37:15
  throwers and noors were like a development in like the Late or maybe even the
• 37:20
  reboot of Bulls, but I'm going to stick with them now because that's just
• 37:22
  fucking bang on, Okay. So you would have your thrower, who would
• 37:24
  be the guy that would play darts sometimes it was a lady, and you
• 37:28
  would have your nors who would sit and answer questions, and the two kind
• 37:30
  of work together to get as much money out of Jim Bowen's pocket by the
• 37:35
  end of the night as you as you could get. It was rare,
• 37:39
  Tom, It was very rare to see, for example, contestants from London
• 37:46
  on this show. I swear to god, there was nobody in all of
• 37:51
  it. I can remember. There was nobody that wasn't from Jim's neck of
• 37:54
  the woods. They all had various they all had that wig of England.
• 38:00
  So the accents if you were to do any of the accents that they would
• 38:01
  all just send like like fred Dibna. Yeah, Tom, it's just like
• 38:05
  your wallpaper accents. I'm sorry to any but people from the thing is about
• 38:14
  British people. They love when you point out stereotypes. They love it.
• 38:17
  They love it. They love it. Not after a while they get sick
• 38:21
  of it, all right, But it is funny that they did and they
• 38:23
  would pick up And if they weren't, they certainly weren't London people, do
• 38:27
  you know? They were not people from the Midlands who just a lot of
• 38:30
  it. There was a lot of it. There was a lot of sort
• 38:31
  of when we say working class people from the north of England, what we
• 38:36
  really kind of mean, Tom, or what was kind of not explicitly called
• 38:39
  out, But it was a lot of like miners. Yeah, and I
• 38:44
  don't mean children, I mean like the fuckers who dug dish it out of
• 38:47
  them all the ground or iron or whatever the hell it was, steel workers
• 38:52
  in Sheffield and all this kind of crack. And in the mid eighties,
• 38:57
  Tom, of course you had the miners strike. Yes, I'm not going
• 39:00
  to sit here and get all political and tell you exactly what was going on
• 39:04
  in the minor strike because I didn't really understand it as a child, and
• 39:07
  I'm not going to say I understand everything about it now. It's kind of
• 39:09
  like the Falklands War. I have the gist of it, but like I
• 39:13
  didn't know. You know, watch the Crown if you want to know about
• 39:15
  those things. Yeah, I think it was Tories against blokes with dirty knicks,
• 39:21
  exactly know. Basically it was it was the established Conservative government with thatcher
• 39:28
  at at power that was putting the boot heels to the miners, closing minds
• 39:31
  left right in the Senator, and the miners went to strike so that they
• 39:36
  wouldn't close mine. It seems a bit of a gamble if you asked me
• 39:38
  Tom, I mean, I guess that's you're going to close the mind.
• 39:43
  So thanks for not being in them. There's a lot I don't understand about
• 39:45
  labor and commerce. I guess all I know is that there are dwarfs that
• 39:51
  mine. That's all I know. Then they've got awesome beards. I don't
• 39:53
  know, I don't know, I don't know. These guys certainly weren't like
• 39:58
  mythical creatures. These were likes No, these were like little uh, they
• 40:02
  were like little potbellied, curly hair dudes. But the reason I bring up
• 40:08
  the fact that there was a lot of striking miners in the in the in
• 40:12
  the in the who would enjoy a point and play darts and be good at
• 40:15
  it and would be looking to make a few pounds in a very very difficult
• 40:19
  time in the laws. No, we can't imagine like the fucking horrendous conditions
• 40:23
  that were going on in the North England during the minor strike, no money
• 40:25
  coming in, fucking families to rear and all this kind of thing. But
• 40:30
  Jim would say, would would would chat to them at the at the start
• 40:31
  of the show. And there's a lot of times like I'm not working at
• 40:35
  the moment, or what do you do for a living while I'm not working
• 40:37
  at the moment? Or minor and Jim would just have like so much sort
• 40:38
  of like that's kind of where the compassion take your pardon, that's not where
• 40:44
  the compassion ends, that sort of compasion starts. He would just sort of
• 40:46
  not make He would not you know, push them on that. He would
• 40:49
  not say, oh, you're not working at the minute, Oh what are
• 40:51
  you doing? What would you like to do? All that? You just
• 40:52
  kind of. It was kind of told and untold, like, Okay,
• 40:54
  I understand, don't push this question, which is something you would almost i'd
• 40:59
  say, would be a pre sort of going on most of the TV shows
• 41:00
  that you have some sort of profession to say, because nobody they don't want
• 41:05
  you looking at a television it's seen unsuccessful people. You know what I mean.
• 41:09
  You know you're not going to get someone and fucking strike it, Lucky
• 41:12
  Go, what do you do for a living. I'm on the picket line,
• 41:14
  Michael at the minute, getting fucking stomped down by the Bobbies on a
• 41:19
  nightly basis, jack booted bastards. Yeah. Yeah, I spent eight hours
• 41:23
  of my day screaming at scabs crossing the picket line. You know, I'll
• 41:28
  take two from the top and three from the bottom there, Carol. But
• 41:35
  that's where that's where I think the warmth of this show came. Is that
• 41:37
  just through the city and a niceness and a warm to it and and like
• 41:40
  you know, ground up it was nothing really but more than so easy.
• 41:45
  You wanted these people to win money? Yeah, well, I don't know
• 41:49
  what it is. I mean now when I watched like people on the chase
• 41:52
  around like that. I'm like, you have enough money. Fuck off,
• 41:53
  you know, fuck off? So tell us what So we we So we've
• 41:57
  idnore ager on each team. There's three team, so that's six people.
• 42:00
  We have Jim Tony hosting the show, commentating on the show, and we've
• 42:05
  got a dark board, Tom a dark board. We got you'll have heard
• 42:08
  of Bully too, That's what I forget. Bully. Bully was the mascot
• 42:14
  of Bulls Eye, and he was an animated bull and would do he bus.
• 42:20
  He would pop up. He would pop up like do you remember years
• 42:23
  ago and you play market combat for like nine hours straight and every so often
• 42:27
  this head would pop in of this bloke and go and pop. It was
• 42:30
  just to break your from turning into a psychopath spas in trying to you know,
• 42:35
  throw throw scorpion spears as somebody. Bully was almost like that. He'd
• 42:38
  pop up between rounds just on the screen. That's an animator go. They
• 42:45
  had this little animated bull with like a dart short on him and a red
• 42:50
  and white striping dark short and he would, as Tom says, there,
• 42:52
  he would punctuate things. He would in spelling questions, if if if if
• 42:58
  if he needed to spell it. He would walk ross the screen leafing through
• 43:00
  a dictionary. He would stick his nose up if you ran, if you
• 43:04
  took too long to answer a questionably, Oh, bully was your man.
• 43:08
  Bully. Bully was the fucking glue that held us together. He was Donald
• 43:15
  Hooves. He was the Ronald McDonald of of Bulls Eye. Essentially, right,
• 43:21
  So let's let's play balls. Every shows a half hour long time,
• 43:24
  okay, And the first easily, easily ten minutes of that was devoted to
• 43:30
  meeting the guests, Like, god damn, there are six people for Jim
• 43:36
  to introduce, and he will bring them on and talk to them at fucking
• 43:42
  length for what seems like a painfully long amount of time. I remember as
• 43:45
  a child, Tom being like, will you just please start playing the game?
• 43:47
  Will you just please? They did not want to be talking to us,
• 43:51
  poor people. They did not want to be talking to Jim. They
• 43:53
  are rabbits in the headlight. And this is this is where Jim's experience as
• 43:57
  a comparer and an mc and a comedian comes into it, because he's here
• 44:00
  trying to drag a bit of crack out of these people and getting stonewalled,
• 44:04
  like we've all been doing gigs. Tip were like, so where are you
• 44:06
  from? Yeah, yeah, move on, move on. What do you
• 44:09
  work on the job? Fuck me, I having no crack here with you.
• 44:13
  But Jim was like able again not talk down to them. It was
• 44:16
  very clear that he just like had this real sort of like cool uncle,
• 44:22
  not even cool uncle, like hey, I've got a sports car, just
• 44:23
  sort of like, oh, yeah, you know, here's a five a
• 44:24
  go get yourself sweets, go with your chips or whatever. That's what he
• 44:28
  was like. He's like a nice uncle. He was just like a nice
• 44:30
  uncle just who liked to drink. He struck as a fellow who liked to
• 44:34
  drink, and you know what, he got the guys in and he settled
• 44:38
  them down. You could see these people who were just like, holy shit,
• 44:40
  I haven't seen as many lights in a face since the fucking police dragged
• 44:44
  me in from being on the strike and got me to sign a confession by
• 44:46
  being the shit out of me, you know, just settle everybody down and
• 44:52
  made sure nobody's dear dr barlow glasses were steaming up. And then we get
• 44:55
  into the game itself. From the game is fucking remarkably simple. Well,
• 45:00
  you've got especially built dart board with topics all the way around it. Okay,
• 45:05
  so they're all sort of general knowledge topic. You could go around at
• 45:07
  your history, show Biz, Britain, Current Affairs or whatever like that,
• 45:12
  and within that you had segments for how much money you would get for landing
• 45:16
  on that. So it was like thirty, fifty or one hundred pounds.
• 45:20
  Okay, So you could say the nower and we're going to stick with that,
• 45:25
  that would say I'd like to answer a question on sport, right,
• 45:29
  So Jim would say all right, okay, and the dart thrower of that
• 45:31
  team would throw a dark at the board, trying to aim for the sports
• 45:35
  segment right, and you know if he if he if he hit the sports
• 45:38
  segment, but far out this question was worth thirty pounds nearer to it,
• 45:42
  fifty near er two at one hundred, near to the bulls eye, fifty
• 45:44
  near to the bulls eye one hundred. So ideally would be like, you
• 45:47
  know, nice near the bulls eyes that this question is worth one hundred pounds.
• 45:51
  If you answer, you get one hundred pounds. It couldn't be simple
• 45:55
  now, it was only one dark per segment. Tom, soho if I
• 45:59
  got Britain. For example, if I want to answer questions on like the
• 46:02
  Lakes of Britain or whatever like that, we got Britain, okay, and
• 46:06
  then your team came along and you're dark landed in Britain. You didn't get
• 46:08
  answered. Shit, pal, oh right, that one's gone, right right
• 46:15
  right, Okay, that one's gone. So we're gonna we're gonna. I
• 46:17
  watched, I watched, I watched an episode of the Bulls. I Tom,
• 46:21
  I'm gonna go into I'm gonna go into the notes here now, okay,
• 46:23
  these are three jit questions from Bulls like Okay, so we're playing the
• 46:27
  board were put them? Put them? Put them? We're landing in it
• 46:29
  here, okay, three teams against each other. I ticket turn, You
• 46:31
  take a turn. The next person text star all right, right, so
• 46:34
  we have to answer these questions. These are real questions, Tom, Okay,
• 46:37
  okay. What was the name of the twenty one year old Calvary horse
• 46:44
  that survived the Hyde Park bombing? My good god? That no? Why
• 46:53
  would you? Why would you fuck get this? Tom? Fucking hell?
• 46:59
  Okay, who what was the horse's fucking The horse's name was Sefton, all
• 47:02
  right, And I don't like this must have been when whenever this episode aired,
• 47:07
  This must be like right up there, because the lad got it straight
• 47:10
  away, like this was like, well, you ask me such a fucking
• 47:13
  stupid question like Sefton and obscure thing to make a big news of out of
• 47:17
  the bombing, Well like I had to, I had to look up like
• 47:22
  the Hyde Park I kind of knew what the Hyde Park bombing was. And
• 47:24
  when the mentioned horses, I was like, oh, yeah, I do
• 47:27
  actually remember seeing a picture of that. Like the Ira dem boys they fucking
• 47:31
  blew up a bomb in Hyde Park and it killed like a dozen soldiers trying
• 47:35
  to kill like twenty horses or something stuff like that. It was like netrocity
• 47:37
  was terrible, but apparently one horse made it out tom and was made like
• 47:44
  a bit of a national hero I guess, or like the horse they couldn't
• 47:47
  bomb or something. Okay, answer the next question, Jerry, And and
• 47:52
  that was Sefton and he Sefton's claim to fame was he survived the Hyde Park
• 47:57
  bombing and also should have brought They should have brought him on at that point
• 48:01
  they should Yeah where the bully when they did bully? Yeah, yeah,
• 48:05
  yeah, yeah, think him on the horse into the striped suck a dart
• 48:08
  shirt, and Jim would say, as Jim would say, and it's at
• 48:12
  this point, Tom, I want to say, every part of this is
• 48:17
  just baked into my consciousness. Yeah, Like the texture of the cards that
• 48:23
  Jim is reading from, he's like reading, you know, he's like reading
• 48:28
  question card and they're in like a little clear, laminate kind of yea yeah,
• 48:32
  yeah, yeah, yeah yeah holder. And then when he gets he
• 48:36
  stands them up in a in a little dark board, so like they're like
• 48:38
  these little shards of questions standing up. And the scoreboards, the digital scoreboards.
• 48:46
  That the look of everything is just like so fucking baked into my consciousness.
• 48:52
  It's unbelievable. What was the line what was the line? One of
• 48:57
  the one of the black, one of the red. We get to,
• 49:00
  Oh, we get to that's not. That's not that's not you know,
• 49:06
  that's not you know too in the pink one and the think like come on,
• 49:09
  move right questions. So there's questions, questions. Okay, so okay,
• 49:14
  you didn't get that. What singer made his acting debut in The Man
• 49:20
  Who Fell to Earth? Yeah, fuck, oh fuck it, I don't
• 49:30
  know. Bully so that's that's that's that's my bully there. It does sound
• 49:35
  very familiar. It's it's it's David Bowie. You're over two here, Tom,
• 49:39
  Jesus Christ. I'm sorry, buddy, my man, my man got
• 49:43
  that one. They didn't get this next one, Tom, So don't feel
• 49:45
  bad about this. What is the name of the weight kept in the hold
• 49:50
  of a ship to keep it steady? Oh shit, I know that because
• 49:54
  I once melted down a boat's as well. It's not keel, obviously,
• 50:01
  but that just keeps it steady. I don't know. I melted down lead
• 50:06
  with a guy wants to actually do it in his ship. He was going
• 50:08
  to seafaring across Europe. What is it cold? Jerry ballast? Fuck?
• 50:14
  It's literally like, wait, okay, okay, this is a quiz show.
• 50:17
  It's turned into Jerry and now I'm violent, over fucking over. I
• 50:22
  want to pick up a set of darts and throw them at something. Well,
• 50:24
  if we ever going bulls, this just proves that you will be the
• 50:28
  dart shop. I'll be in the throw Oh no, I'm okay at darts.
• 50:30
  I'm okay at darts. I will be in the stower. You can
• 50:32
  be the door. So moving on. So this is how this is how
• 50:37
  the first round of quizzing and question went. Tom. But like if you
• 50:40
  were the lowest scoring team at the end of this, you're done. Okay,
• 50:45
  you're right, you're eliminated. Bye bye, oh gone, you're gone
• 50:47
  here right right right, This is where we get rid of them. Okay,
• 50:51
  no, thanks for coming along, and we'll see your back on the
• 50:53
  picket line. All right. But with that being said, we didn't you
• 51:00
  know, kicked them out of the studio just yet. They might be,
• 51:04
  they might be coming back in a little while. But here's the thing,
• 51:07
  Tom, Yeah, well we might be circling back to them in a little
• 51:09
  second. Okay. But before they went, whatever money they got, usually
• 51:14
  in the low hundreds one and twenty hundred and thirty pounds, Jim would would
• 51:17
  count that out for I love, I fucking loved more physical cash in his
• 51:24
  pocket, in his pocket like like there was an actual uncle fucking buy And
• 51:30
  so he would lick his tongue and actually peel off and put the restpeck in
• 51:35
  his pocket like it wasn't a set amount he's actually had. This was Jim's
• 51:39
  money, like he was paying you out of his fucking wages, Tom,
• 51:45
  and I've never seen that done before or since. I mean, it's amazing.
• 51:51
  It makes it so authentic that there's cash money going down on the table
• 51:54
  in front of you and Dan near spits in his hand and shakes hands on
• 51:58
  them like exactly the only thing, like I guess in who wants to be
• 52:01
  a millionaire that's got like a loose sight case full of what's supposedly a million
• 52:06
  euro in cash that you can look at but not touch. But that's to
• 52:08
  be and that's pectacle. That's a spectacle, and that it's it's a million
• 52:13
  quid. But Jim peeled off, could peel off and you put your hand
• 52:15
  out and he counted tenors into it. He could actually peel off ninety pounds
• 52:21
  in your hand. I can say, oh, well, though, some
• 52:23
  of the pride like something I loved. I actually I can remember one before
• 52:27
  there was a knitting needle set given away. It was like, oh my
• 52:31
  god, this is beautiful, this is beautiful, this is where we are.
• 52:35
  Yeah. So after after the initial round of questions time we had a
• 52:37
  second round of questions. But this was more straightforward. Okay, this was
• 52:40
  a regulation dart board. None of your fancy segments or anything like that,
• 52:45
  and the dart player would go up and throw darts at the board and hit
• 52:50
  a score whatever it would be, and I would answer a question for that
• 52:52
  money. Okay, simple as that. Yeah, And then the next team
• 52:58
  would have a go and they would answer question for that money, and then
• 53:00
  the following team would This would go back and forth for I think like three
• 53:04
  rounds apiece. And after all that, if I had more money than you
• 53:07
  had, Tom, I was going on to the I was going on to
• 53:10
  the prize board and you were going home. Yes, Now, the amount
• 53:15
  of the amount of darts players that you know, we're probably decent darts players.
• 53:17
  But the poor beast has just choked on Telly too, like they you
• 53:21
  know, this is it. This is bright lights, studio lights, and
• 53:22
  it has it has it has the studio crowd. And I just want to
• 53:24
  mention the studio crowd. Tom. We've talked to him a couple of times.
• 53:27
  It was one of the rare occasions and I don't believe I've seen it
• 53:30
  since where the studio audience was on camera at all times. Yeah, that's
• 53:37
  actually really interesting. You'd be a shot, you know, you'd catch maybe
• 53:39
  fifty or forty or fifty of them over in the corner, over somebody's shoulder.
• 53:44
  Yeah, you never see that. It's not never see it turns around,
• 53:45
  doesn't it. So if you if you imagine, like if you're watching
• 53:47
  Winning Streak for example, for our Irish listeners, and the camera is on
• 53:52
  Marty and Shanades and that her name, Oh god, I members on on
• 53:57
  the set, and you know that the live studio audience is because hes hearing
• 54:00
  him clapping and shit like that, and every now and then the camera will
• 54:01
  turn around and see like this live studio audience here. It's the same way
• 54:05
  to do for the late later Every now and then you'll get a glimpse of
• 54:07
  the audience to see that there. But an actual fact with Bullseye, the
• 54:10
  audience were if you could imagine, the whole camera turned around and all the
• 54:15
  action took place in front of the audience, so the audience with a backdrop,
• 54:17
  they were constantly there. Yeah, I know, I actually love that
• 54:21
  format and I'd love to see it. It'd be interesting to dig it back
• 54:23
  up again that style, do you know what I mean to have? It
• 54:27
  would add a fair fair bit of way to it. I think it would
• 54:30
  anyway, Well, what it made it look more like Thomas, It made
• 54:32
  it look more like a sporting event. It made it look more like a
• 54:36
  game of You see the crowd in front of you if you're at the game,
• 54:38
  or or you were at the hockey itself. So it really sort of
• 54:43
  said, you know, to anybody watching this, if you wanted to come
• 54:45
  for a game of trivial pursuits, if you wanted to come for a game
• 54:50
  of general knowledge, we have that. But if you want darts, this
• 54:52
  is darts like it looks like in a darts turn. No wonder, there
• 54:55
  was a five year wait list. People were actually wanting to get on Telly.
• 54:59
  Yes you were, you were there on TV. And again it wasn't
• 55:01
  quite the style parade, but you could see that these people we were invested
• 55:07
  and those as as we go on in terms, there's a lot of audience
• 55:10
  participation. Yeah, and yet indeed several times you've heard Jim bow And say
• 55:15
  it several times watching Bullseye, like he'd ask a question and he turned around
• 55:20
  like quiet in the audience, please because someone of the audiences. Yeah,
• 55:22
  of course, Sefton, it's a fucking ballast. It's it's a ballast your
• 55:30
  bustard, So Jim would Jim would peel off twenties into the hands of the
• 55:36
  second team and they would fuck off as well. And and and here's where
• 55:38
  he would Here's where normally a traditionally would have the break in bullseye, will
• 55:43
  we're going to be Jim would always sign off and say, I've got these
• 55:45
  fuckers are one seventy pounds. It's gonna take me five minutes to count it.
• 55:51
  Don't go anywhere. Yeah, Like, no matter what amount of money
• 55:53
  it took, it was gonna take him the length of an ad break to
• 55:57
  count it out, Like are you counting the outing fucking pennies? Like yeah,
• 56:02
  every single time, And he didn't shy away from the fact that he
• 56:06
  see his tongue was in it, firmly lodged in his mouth. He knew
• 56:08
  that line was as oul as the fucking hills, and he used it every
• 56:12
  time. I love it. I love it because it's it's it's do you
• 56:15
  know what, Tom? People say, we'll get into catchphrases in a minute,
• 56:19
  And people say, I had a lot of catchphrases, but they all
• 56:21
  serve the purpose. They moved the show forward. They explained the rule.
• 56:25
  There was no wasted motion in this show. We need catchphrases, Jerry,
• 56:30
  we do. We need we need to take up a couple of catchphrases.
• 56:35
  Yeah, otherwise we'll get a half day out with the Undertaker. Yes,
• 56:39
  that's fine, that's our catchphrase, half da out with the Undertaker. Perfect.
• 56:43
  We borrowed it, we did, we did so, Okay. So
• 56:46
  after we came back, Tom, we had we had a briefly INTERVIEWE.
• 56:50
  This was this was another curious thing with Bull's Eye. It was like,
• 56:52
  you know, it was very much like the National Lottery, like they did
• 56:55
  you know so so much of your money goes to charitable yes, organizations around
• 57:00
  the place. They would have a brief interlude after they came back from the
• 57:04
  from the break to have a professional darts player of the time, you're Jockey
• 57:07
  Wilson's or your Aric Bristols of the of the world, and a bunch of
• 57:10
  the i've never heard of it would come in and they would throw nine darts
• 57:15
  for charity. Yeah, pounds for points, nine darts for charity. I
• 57:21
  remember seeing what was he the Viking they called him. He was like he
• 57:25
  looked like giant haystacks this guy and he came on like he said, God,
• 57:30
  yeah, his arm was the size of your leg. I don't know
• 57:34
  how and the darts were hilarious in his giant hands. Apparently he would drink
• 57:37
  up to it was before some huge ble like he was. He was just
• 57:43
  finishing up and you know, life was probably finished on him when the light
• 57:46
  self filled the power tailor was coming on. Who's long gone now, but
• 57:51
  he was the first big super so well, you know this, we go
• 57:54
  back to it, Tom, like the darts players on the snooker players of
• 57:58
  the eighties, like you know, the reason why bowls never really caught on,
• 58:01
  like like snooker darts because it was slower and there was no big fuck
• 58:05
  players. But you had your Alex Hurricane Harry Higgins with the snooker, and
• 58:08
  you had filled the power Taylor or Eric Bristow, you like, these guys
• 58:13
  were these were darts players. But then to be on TV AM in the
• 58:16
  morning having the crack of rolling rat you know, yes, yeah, yeah,
• 58:21
  yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that was the thing they
• 58:23
  actually but I mean that's that's the same with same on any Any smart sport
• 58:30
  boxing producer or boxing promoter will tell you have to make a superstar of the
• 58:34
  person if you want to bring the sport on, you know. And that's
• 58:37
  why sports, some sports like behind they make a superstar, you know,
• 58:40
  the people will watch, They'll watch soccer team that they have no affiliation to
• 58:45
  because Lionel Messi plays on it exactly. That's and I you know, and
• 58:50
  I get it. I'll go all right, you know, I can't wrap
• 58:53
  my head around not watching a sport from based on a team that I they're
• 58:58
  from the place I'm from. You know, I can't grasp it, but
• 59:00
  I completely get it. When you make a superstar like people will watch.
• 59:05
  People watch that shit and they'll they and the Arabia or wherever it was at
• 59:08
  that time, not for nothing tom to leave their houses and buy your ticket
• 59:12
  and go see it, you know, yeah, just because of one guy.
• 59:15
  And that's that's that's what That's where I fell down in my comedy career,
• 59:17
  Thomas. I didn't build build up something people, Hey, will we
• 59:22
  go see McBride this this sad nights? We go see McBride this sad nights.
• 59:24
  I don't know that a twenty four hour Apple green over here is he
• 59:29
  going to compete with that? How is he going to compete with these New
• 59:32
  York Buffalo wing flavored pieces of pretzel for seven years a piece? Come on,
• 59:38
  I'm to send them mine money. So so so so, Yes,
• 59:42
  there was a brief little interlude ludere and and not always Tom professional darts player.
• 59:46
  Sometimes they get in like local celebrities. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 59:51
  yeah, who have you in to throw darts a breath the place?
• 59:54
  And then this was the bit where everybody earned their fucking money. This is
• 59:59
  the bit where Ton Green stepped up to the plate to commentate his little fucking
• 1:00:07
  life off. Okay, Bullies prize board. Yeah again, when I tell
• 1:00:12
  you Tom that the noise of this thing turning around it into my consciousness.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, the noise of the dark board rotating to reveal this new board.
• 1:00:22
  Bullies Prize Board was in the eight segment dart board with eight black segments and
• 1:00:29
  eight red segments. No one want to eight. Okay, you hit a
• 1:00:32
  dart into a red segment, you won the prize of that segment. Yeah,
• 1:00:37
  get it into a black segment you won nothing. Uh huh. You
• 1:00:42
  threw a dart into the red segment twice, you lost the prize that you
• 1:00:47
  just won. Yeah, to sum it up in Jim's catchphrase that explained this
• 1:00:52
  real, Tom, would you give it to us? So it's one of
• 1:00:57
  the black, one of the red. Nothing in this house works with two
• 1:01:00
  in a bed or something to that effect. It was like, destintly,
• 1:01:04
  you're getting there, you're getting that effect. It was two in the bed.
• 1:01:07
  It was stay out of the black and into the red Nott in this
• 1:01:10
  game for two in the bed, and that was like, you know,
• 1:01:13
  yes, it was a simplest the catchphrase. But they explained to you,
• 1:01:15
  very very simply that you you won prizes for hitting the red bits and you
• 1:01:21
  want nothing for hitting the black and threw a dark into the red bit twice.
• 1:01:23
  You want fuck all? Here's where, here's where bullseye. Kind of
• 1:01:30
  a lot of people remember this and they think it's quite There's an English word
• 1:01:35
  that I fucking hate, Tom. What word is That word is naf Oh?
• 1:01:39
  I just I can't be doing with that. It's very naugh. The
• 1:01:44
  prizes were very naugh And you know what, Tom, Yeah, you know
• 1:01:46
  what today when I have a phone sitting beside me that can do that can
• 1:01:53
  do more than the computer that went to the fucking moon exactly. You know,
• 1:01:58
  and then maybe some of the prizes on balls I seem a little bit
• 1:02:00
  nah if that's what you're going to call them, but to a striking mine
• 1:02:05
  or Tom still reeling from the death of all the horses except seven. Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  these prizes were incredible. They're really were. And I'm going to take
• 1:02:19
  you through bullies prize board here on the episode that I watched in research,
• 1:02:22
  and I'm going to give you the eight prizes and then you've got a very
• 1:02:27
  special prize Tom. Oh god, yeah, yeah if you hit the bulls
• 1:02:30
  all right, So in one, every single one of them was like that.
• 1:02:38
  Go on every single you can. You can me the in ones into
• 1:02:42
  is and I'll give you the prize. Okay. One a bone china dinner
• 1:02:47
  service. Okay, like the bone china that your mom probably still audience would
• 1:02:52
  go, God, God, get some of that bone china. So a
• 1:02:58
  novelty telephone at the same they always had like a novelty telephone, but it
• 1:03:01
  would be like a Mickey Mouse telephone or a Garfield telephone or something like that,
• 1:03:06
  but the couldn't say for whatever reason, they couldn't say Garfield or whatever
• 1:03:08
  like that. But it would be like our Hamburger telephone. And I remember
• 1:03:12
  when I was more like, you know, if if the phone had push
• 1:03:15
  buttons, I thought it was to hide the country. We had rotary telephone
• 1:03:17
  in our heads. Well did the fucking wall and this thing you could walk
• 1:03:21
  around with? Come on? In three, a dozen fine wines tom oh,
• 1:03:28
  stop fire wind. I wonder how to find this. I wonder how
• 1:03:31
  fine this wine was. But like it was a dozen wines tom at six
• 1:03:35
  pounds a bottle, Like it's going to be seventy eighty pounds worth of wine.
• 1:03:37
  Oh, now, get out to wine. Not as cool. On
• 1:03:43
  four, I couldn't really figure out what the thing was, but it was
• 1:03:46
  like kind of like a kind of like a swinging slide set for children,
• 1:03:51
  little whitlands. And like you know, as I was, if I was
• 1:03:55
  watching this as a child, I would have fucking spat my tea out.
• 1:04:01
  Whoop what I was in number four? In five a portable typewriter. Oh
• 1:04:11
  no, like you know that's not a that's not a fucking enough prize in
• 1:04:15
  the age. No it is not. Listen, I've seen fucking hipsters with
• 1:04:17
  fucking typewriters. So come on, you know, if you if you need
• 1:04:20
  to write you know your CV Hello, you know twenty years experience down in
• 1:04:26
  the minds and I'm looking for a new job, Like that's what you're fucking
• 1:04:29
  writing on a typewriter could literally change your life. But you can exact because
• 1:04:32
  where are you going to go to get something typed up? You know,
• 1:04:35
  in a small village or a town or whatever that doesn't have that silus?
• 1:04:41
  These focus had never seen a button in their lifetime. Doctor in six a
• 1:04:47
  table tennis table, some of them were shot. I will say these are
• 1:04:53
  all seven. These are all real, real prizes that are that we're given
• 1:04:58
  on one episode of But I hope you they have the one that I watched
• 1:05:00
  because in seven Tom was a lady's sheepskin coll Oh all right, where are
• 1:05:18
  you going to get one for throwing a dark That's what I want to know?
• 1:05:27
  Cool? I love that it would just be one size that they fucking
• 1:05:30
  bought. And I'm telling you, Bernadette, you can just fucking take it
• 1:05:34
  home and make it work. That's all I've I've thoughts on all this.
• 1:05:38
  And then you have your last one. You had a twenty two inch color
• 1:05:43
  television as you'd imagine the TOM screen on one side little speaker on the other
• 1:05:46
  side, twist the dale to get it at twenty two inch television. Any
• 1:05:51
  television as a prize top is not enough any day? No, no,
• 1:05:56
  no, no concerned The one I was the one I watched, the one
• 1:06:00
  that the prize is stuck out to me, and I was in like six
• 1:06:02
  five or six. It wasn't down down It was a nest of tables,
• 1:06:09
  a nest of tables. Actually, I skeept piet for the bulls I am
• 1:06:14
  in the Bull's Eye Bully Special prize in the Bulls Eye with a pine like
• 1:06:18
  dining table and sheriffs so like a good dining table and chairs like and can
• 1:06:24
  you imagine winning? Can you imagine being from say Wiggan or Sheffield or something
• 1:06:28
  not saying that it would be better, but you know there's there's so like
• 1:06:31
  because it's Jim Bowne and it's it's whatever. But you win that and you
• 1:06:36
  now have something to talk about in your home place for ever. Like people
• 1:06:42
  talk about getting the Blue Peter badge, Can you imagine getting a full dining
• 1:06:45
  room set that's getting the fucking Mickey mouse phone. Why'd you get to Mickey
• 1:06:48
  mouse phone one on Bulls Eye on bulls Eye. You're literally going to get
• 1:06:53
  that be a local celebrity for a week in your open town. The missus,
• 1:06:58
  the mississ wearing a nice coote. Where did you get You're never going
• 1:07:00
  to guess bulls eye as well? Here you want do you want to put
• 1:07:03
  down? Do you want to put down that fine wine that I want?
• 1:07:05
  A bulls Eye? Let me just pull out a little table for you your
• 1:07:09
  own little nest. Here's here's a typewriter. Take minutes. I can't I
• 1:07:15
  could not find, for the life of me, Tom anymore. I could
• 1:07:19
  not find out if the two contestants on the team got one each. This
• 1:07:29
  is the thing it was, I asked. I typed in out with how
• 1:07:32
  to like say, it was two blokes who are mates and they because there
• 1:07:35
  was kitchen there was kitchen units as well, like how do you split that?
• 1:07:40
  And sometimes they just took it and worked it out amongst themselves and sold
• 1:07:44
  it somewhere else, or there was an option a lot of time to just
• 1:07:46
  take the value of it, because a lot of this stuff wasn't in the
• 1:07:49
  studio, like it wasn't round the back. They it was with the shop.
• 1:07:55
  Do you know what I mean? So the shop. The shop would
• 1:07:57
  probably get advertising somewhere on the in the credits or something like that. So
• 1:08:00
  a lot of the times that's what it was. Because the same same applies
• 1:08:03
  to where are what's it called nowadays? They win it's threek. So you
• 1:08:08
  win three fucking cars and there are three ness and notes and you're like,
• 1:08:11
  well, I don't fucking want even one this and note, thank you very
• 1:08:14
  much, I'm taking this, and nope, you fucking don't have to,
• 1:08:16
  Jerry. They'll offer you to the cash moula for that. So if this
• 1:08:20
  end note is eighteen thousand, you got thirty. You know, you got
• 1:08:24
  fucking three ns and notes cash instead. All this to say, all this
• 1:08:29
  to say, now you've got nine darts to win nine prizes. Okay,
• 1:08:35
  three, three and three yeah, dark player first, so you're the dark
• 1:08:42
  player and oh yeah, this is where they Yeah, this is where they.
• 1:08:45
  Yes, you've got that. You've got the first three goals, and
• 1:08:46
  then I got the middle three because I'm the non dark player, and then
• 1:08:49
  you've got the final three. Okay. Now here's the thing with the teams
• 1:08:55
  and bulls say, okay, you had one experienced dark player, yeah,
• 1:09:00
  and you had one person who seemed to have never held a dart in their
• 1:09:03
  life. I know, ye who didn't know which end of it to throw
• 1:09:12
  at the board. Like Tom, if I was going on like any show
• 1:09:18
  whatsoever. If I was going on like you know, bulls out for example,
• 1:09:25
  or total wipeout or whatever it would be, you'd train a little bit
• 1:09:30
  right, No, I would say, right for I'm taking seventy percent.
• 1:09:34
  I'm hiring for thirty percent a fucking parkhore expert to go and wipe out.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah, you're gonna fucking nail. And I'm not even gonna take a fuck
• 1:09:41
  a mark. I'm hiring fill the power tailor's fucking brother to go on and
• 1:09:45
  put on an Irish accent. But you fucking joke with me this thing man.
• 1:09:49
  For fucking fourteen years, Tom and even the later days, the none
• 1:09:53
  dart player would get up as if they were like, oh fuck, I
• 1:09:56
  forgot I had to throw darts every time, and they God, I think
• 1:10:00
  it was the honesty of people that they've just felt like it was, you
• 1:10:04
  know, almost speaking to the church. If you're going up tell it,
• 1:10:08
  you've got to be honest. You can't be fucking going you know, So
• 1:10:11
  they go no, no, no, no one one player on one thrower,
• 1:10:15
  one noah. As simple as that, simple as that. That's the
• 1:10:18
  law according to Jams, and that was that was like real compelling TV that
• 1:10:24
  they were literally throwing darts for prizes. You could. It was very very
• 1:10:29
  rare that you wouldn't sweep online, Almost impossible to sweep online because inevitably the
• 1:10:33
  non dark thrower would fuck hit the water and the dark would ski off into
• 1:10:36
  the audience, sticking somebody knees. Like that's the way I think everybody was
• 1:10:42
  wearing deer barley glasses. Dumb. It wasn't provision, it was for fucking
• 1:10:45
  protection. They were fucking goggles. So now we're into it. Okay,
• 1:10:51
  So let's say you'd want a bunch of prizes of tom. Let's say you
• 1:10:55
  want a table, time of set and a fucking television, and I want
• 1:11:00
  to win the television. The television, you want to nest the tables as
• 1:11:02
  well, can have that. This is where you go to the big finale
• 1:11:08
  TOM okay, where you play for Bully Star prize. Okay, you ain't
• 1:11:14
  gonna get it for free, Okay. You have to decide if you want
• 1:11:17
  to gamble the prizes you've just won against one big super duper prize, or
• 1:11:24
  keep the prizes that you've won and just fucking some houses will go on that
• 1:11:29
  business. Now the money that you won earlier, say if you want three
• 1:11:31
  hundred pounds sterling earlier in the game, that's Jim counts out. You keep
• 1:11:35
  that in your pocket, that's yours. And you get your little trinkets that
• 1:11:40
  you take home, your tankards and your your your There was a pen.
• 1:11:44
  There was a pen, and there was like fucking novelty darts or beg your
• 1:11:47
  pardon, bulls Eye branded darts and a Bendy Bully and a Bendy Bully.
• 1:11:51
  That's right, we Bendy Bully. You could have all that, and I
• 1:11:56
  believe in later episodes in the nineties you had to gamble the whole but for
• 1:12:00
  the ones I remember as a child, you could keep the money that was
• 1:12:04
  yours. But you were gambling your fucking bone china set. You're gambling everything
• 1:12:10
  for one hundred and one or more in six darts, three darts each for
• 1:12:14
  one hundred and one. If you got one hundred and one or more,
• 1:12:16
  you won Bullies Special prize Jesus Christ. And this is where the audience participation
• 1:12:23
  really came in because you had the time for the board revolved and I remember
• 1:12:26
  the noise of that board revolve. The audience yet like gabble, gamble,
• 1:12:30
  Jim and'd be like, why do you want them to do? Gamble?
• 1:12:32
  Gamble? Everybody was like gamble? No. Not a person was going like
• 1:12:34
  no, you're all right, keep it. Yeah, And when it turned
• 1:12:38
  around, Jim said, what are you going to do? And if they
• 1:12:41
  wanted a gamble, they gambled. But if they didn't want to gamble.
• 1:12:44
  A lot of the times it was, look, we've had a lovely day,
• 1:12:45
  Jim. We've won more than we thought we'd win. Wife will kill
• 1:12:50
  me if I go home without this sheepskin coat. It was always yeah,
• 1:12:53
  the wife will kill me. We're not going to We're not going to that.
• 1:12:58
  We're not going to go for it. And Jim would be them farewell.
• 1:13:00
  And this is Tom where he would bring in the previous contestants, the
• 1:13:04
  ones that we said bye bye to earlier. I remember I told you that
• 1:13:06
  they didn't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He would
• 1:13:11
  bring them in and ask them if they wanted to have a goal with the
• 1:13:14
  prize board. Now Tom, they hadn't won any prizes yet. They might
• 1:13:17
  have won like one hundred and twenty pounds earlier in the day. That's in
• 1:13:20
  their pocket. That's not in their pocket. They have to gamble that against
• 1:13:26
  the st Christ Jim, this is fucking this is inhuman This is genius TV.
• 1:13:32
  That's great, that's great. And now this, this is where you
• 1:13:36
  could lose your bollocks. You could go home with nothing. You could go
• 1:13:40
  home Tom with the infamous bfhh. The bus fare wasn't it wasn't a boss
• 1:13:45
  fare home. The buss fare home, that's it? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:48
  yeah, and and and this like you know, everybody says, like,
• 1:13:51
  you know, that's that. I watched that evolve as a catchphrase because I
• 1:13:56
  watched that develop over years, because he said buss fare home like every so
• 1:14:00
  often, oh yeah, not a done thing. But then in later years
• 1:14:05
  he said it like every fucking week. And then in later years again he
• 1:14:09
  said your bh every single weekend, and every week he'd say your bfh.
• 1:14:13
  You know what that is? And I was like, yeah, Jim,
• 1:14:14
  I'm fucking watching you do this for six years. She put everybody fucking knows
• 1:14:18
  what it is. This is where you could lose your bollops. And if
• 1:14:21
  you'd want one hundred and twenty pounds and you didn't want to, you know,
• 1:14:25
  spend that or lose that, tom, you could decline okay, and
• 1:14:29
  it would go to the people that got kicked out in the very first round
• 1:14:31
  who won fuck all, who won forty pounds or less, whatever it was
• 1:14:35
  they won, and they would they would inevitably gamble. I don't believe they.
• 1:14:41
  I don't believe the show ever went off the air. Would everybody go,
• 1:14:44
  now you're all right, Jim. Yeah. The Bone went on to
• 1:14:48
  tell a tale, anecdotal as it maybe, that there were people who won
• 1:14:53
  twenty sterling and got you know, knocked out in the front in the first
• 1:14:56
  round, but when it came to gamble, they were like, no,
• 1:14:58
  we're not going to gamble. They goes out of pocket if you gamble.
• 1:15:04
  If you don't, for folk's sake, we've no end and just peels one
• 1:15:09
  off, put it in the own money. Otherwise we've no we've no end
• 1:15:15
  of the show. We can't just turn around and like, well we've had
• 1:15:16
  a good day to day. So you threw one hundred and one or more
• 1:15:19
  darts with that drum roll, that kettle drum rolled. Oh my god,
• 1:15:25
  I can hear the rumble of it. None, dar player up first,
• 1:15:28
  who would hit travel three twice and then scale the barn dart off the side
• 1:15:32
  of the board. Or on occasion, there's a wonderful clip going around on
• 1:15:36
  YouTube of a lady that just walks up on fock starts at the thing,
• 1:15:39
  just like completely blind one hundred and seventeen, just like two darts, and
• 1:15:45
  you would win bully Star Prize, which was usually one of three things,
• 1:15:54
  a holiday to me Yorca, rarely anywhere else. Yeah my yorkup was,
• 1:15:58
  I guess just like the destination at the time. You could win a car,
• 1:16:02
  Tom, Yeah, a modest car term Fiato. I saw ones modest
• 1:16:12
  car from like several now defunct car brands. I would imagine like a Morris
• 1:16:18
  oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's yeah Morris Metro. There was Maris
• 1:16:23
  Metro as well. Yeah, what are these little fucking dudes? Or Tom,
• 1:16:26
  You can win a speedboat or look at the at the speedboat Like the
• 1:16:31
  fucking speedboat cracked me up every time because it have it down on a jaunty
• 1:16:35
  angle as well, like it's making a hard bank. Yeah, and like
• 1:16:42
  these people are not what the fuck are they gonna do it? And it
• 1:16:44
  was a tiny the speedboat too, like like two good sized, girty men
• 1:16:47
  are not going to fucking fit this thing. No, but it's kind of
• 1:16:51
  it reminds me of do you know those ones when you go to those parks,
• 1:16:54
  a lot of them in the UK where kids can actually sit on their
• 1:16:57
  little did you know they're little boat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's
• 1:17:00
  I dare say, if we go back to our Action Park episode from season
• 1:17:02
  six, it's like the speedboats that tip you out into snake and fested waters.
• 1:17:08
  That's exactly what I'm saying. And with the jaunty angle that it was
• 1:17:11
  always at and they're take these people don't have the seed. They were like
• 1:17:16
  I won one crowd they wanted from Tamworths and apparently Tamworth is two it's two
• 1:17:20
  hours and nearest fucking water source. It's like, what the fuck are you
• 1:17:25
  gonna put it in? But they're invariably one. One can assume that you
• 1:17:29
  could take a cash alternative to this, but I tell you, I hope.
• 1:17:30
  So I heard one sort of anecdotal story that that the makers of Bulls
• 1:17:36
  that were in tight with like a speedboat manufacturer or some shit. And he
• 1:17:41
  was just like, you get my speedboats on the TV. I'll give you
• 1:17:44
  all the fucking speedboats you want, you know, and and and and tom.
• 1:17:51
  That was it. Okay, if you got one hundred and one or
• 1:17:54
  more and six starts, you won the prize. You won the caravan or
• 1:17:57
  the fucking whatever it was if you did when Jim would say, let's have
• 1:18:01
  a look at what you could have won, yeah, brought you rule bastard
• 1:18:05
  like and then whelt like, you know, a car you're never going to
• 1:18:09
  be able to afford. And we're like, yeah, that's terrible, but
• 1:18:11
  you've had a good day. You've lost all your prizes from Bully Starboard.
• 1:18:15
  You know, you're going home with like a set of darts, which one
• 1:18:17
  would assume you own a set of darts to begin with. Thanks for common
• 1:18:19
  lads, and I'll see next week. And that was it. He would
• 1:18:21
  fucking wave at the camera and he would have you out the fucking door and
• 1:18:27
  gone yeah because it ticks and teeth and then out the fucking gap. That's
• 1:18:30
  all it is for Jim. He's a fuck, he's a grafter, he's
• 1:18:33
  he's a car warmed up around the side, as he said himself, like
• 1:18:36
  they you know, the show was ship. There was a piece of ship
• 1:18:40
  for fourteen years, but we always drove home and eventually so fuck it,
• 1:18:43
  so and and and there you go, Tom, that was it. That
• 1:18:45
  was That was that was. You just repeat that three hundred and fifty six
• 1:18:49
  times and you have the original of nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety five run
• 1:18:55
  of Bulls Eye. They gave it another crack, though, didn't they with
• 1:18:59
  Well they did, did they? I mean, like, and I want
• 1:19:00
  to tell you one thing, Tom, that I did a bit of research,
• 1:19:04
  and it wasn't canceled. Nobody said all right, fuck your bulls I
• 1:19:09
  go go and shoot. Nobody's watching anymore. We don't want you anymore.
• 1:19:12
  It wasn't that it was canceled. They just kind of wrapped it up.
• 1:19:16
  When I say, three fifty six episodes, Tom, at its peak in
• 1:19:20
  the eighties, Bulls I was drawn seventeen million viewers. Fucking hell, okay,
• 1:19:28
  And I just I just I just I did a little few songs for
• 1:19:30
  comparison at the BBC coverage. I'm pretty sure that you know, if you
• 1:19:34
  add up Sky and Art and whoever was showing it. It would come to
• 1:19:39
  more of that, but just on his own. The BBC coverage of King
• 1:19:42
  Charles's coronation there the other week h peaked at fifteen million. Fuck off Blay
• 1:19:50
  was drawn seventeen million, and that was it, Tom. I mean,
• 1:19:53
  like people we always laugh, all we only had six channels, we only
• 1:19:55
  had this, we only had that, but we really only did so it
• 1:19:57
  was like you were watching one of these six things at this time every week,
• 1:20:00
  and the vast majority of people decided, you know what, that quiz
• 1:20:04
  show with the host that you know can't make it through a question without getting
• 1:20:10
  getting award wrong, and the darts players have them can't fucking I don't know
• 1:20:15
  what. Where the hockey is, that's what we want to watch. We
• 1:20:19
  want to see these focused windspeed boats. Do you know what? Though?
• 1:20:23
  It was on at the perfect time, because it's not a midweek one where
• 1:20:28
  you're still kind of in work, moved and you're still it's one where you're
• 1:20:30
  completely fucking devoid of any of any resistance, do you know what I mean?
• 1:20:35
  You're not going to watch and after a big feed, if a dessert
• 1:20:40
  and you're supping a drop a ty, you can't go watching fucking Breaking bad.
• 1:20:46
  You know what I mean, you can't you chesus no, give me
• 1:20:48
  some brain chewing gum. That's what I need right now. And that's what
• 1:20:51
  it was, absolutely apparently, and even at that, like you know,
• 1:20:55
  it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's the kind of
• 1:20:57
  thing that you have other game shows that are kind of like very involved and
• 1:21:00
  all the things like that fucking cube thing where it's like throw a turnus ball
• 1:21:03
  into a cylinder thirty field and I'm like, I don't know. I wouldn't
• 1:21:05
  know what muscle the twitch to do that throw a dart at the board that
• 1:21:10
  I can do, yep, bad I can do. And there's another game
• 1:21:13
  show I don't know what it's called, but I see it on there sometimes
• 1:21:15
  during the day, and it's basically is the slot machines, the slot machine
• 1:21:21
  were you drop a cushion in the oh fuck off, the push apenny,
• 1:21:25
  drop a drop a coin down and it pushes kinds of and I'm like,
• 1:21:28
  yeah, the fucking thing I used to play out in the Arcades and Black
• 1:21:31
  Rock and then Dark they made fucking TV show you'd watch by and purposely just
• 1:21:36
  swing your arts into it. Just seeking to knock a few coins that yeah,
• 1:21:40
  no, no, no no, but that's just it's it's just so
• 1:21:42
  simple and so easy to get. Like you know, I can, I
• 1:21:45
  can, I can appreciate why it's and I will say if I think it's
• 1:21:46
  called tipping point that show. If you're watching and there's coins hanging off the
• 1:21:49
  side, you're like, oh my fucking watch the rest of this, see
• 1:21:51
  if the I guess, but there's something there was something tweet and cute I
• 1:21:57
  think about about bulls. I'm more so than the actual what it was.
• 1:22:01
  It was darts, so whatever, there was something for me. When there's
• 1:22:04
  so many elements that you broke them down there where the audience are on display
• 1:22:08
  like it's a sporting event. The people are so kai and so shy.
• 1:22:14
  The darts players themselves are like, you know, the people who are sparkingly
• 1:22:17
  good at darts, they often ship the bed and got what's known dart itis,
• 1:22:21
  where you just can't even like go the art dart bit correctly. Sometimes
• 1:22:26
  I love and the prizes. Apparently the notion was that the funding was so
• 1:22:30
  poor for it that that's why. And they became a novelty. Then you
• 1:22:34
  know they'd actually give away a pencil set earlier in the show so that they
• 1:22:36
  could topload paying for the telly and then as the tables later on in it
• 1:22:42
  because it just the cash wasn't there, so they went, do we spread
• 1:22:44
  it, spread the love throughout? Or do we buy really silly shit ones
• 1:22:47
  at the star at the top and then we you know, we've got a
• 1:22:50
  fuck a speedboat we can't give away like a load of fucking twenty two inch
• 1:22:56
  televisions, you know, so it'll be yeah phone for our tenor and TV.
• 1:23:00
  Jim had a great anecdote. I watched an interview with him and he
• 1:23:02
  was asking, you know how he had no no good words to say about
• 1:23:06
  it, and that he loved it, but it was terrible. He's like,
• 1:23:10
  the first season should have been cancel only it cost nothing. It should
• 1:23:14
  have been canceled, he said, I was so bad. But he said,
• 1:23:16
  here's the thing that why he believed it was kept on is that the
• 1:23:20
  suicide rates in the north of England apparently were really high at the time.
• 1:23:24
  Now, I don't know was this a tongue and cheap joke. I don't
• 1:23:27
  think it was. He said it quite sincerely, Crely and is it.
• 1:23:31
  All they had and tell you to distract him was songs of praise and this
• 1:23:35
  other thing that sounded familiar, but it sounded just like terrible, and they
• 1:23:40
  slotted us in between. Apparently suicide he said it. Apparently suicide rates in
• 1:23:43
  the North of England came down because people would sit down to go, all
• 1:23:47
  this is worth watching, and it would we would break that cycle for people
• 1:23:50
  and people. The suicide rates actually came down in the North of England as
• 1:23:54
  a result of Bullseye and he believes that's the only reason was kept on because
• 1:23:59
  it was terrible. The whole thing was terrible. He was terrible, the
• 1:24:02
  guests were the prizes were terrible, the actual concept of the game terrible.
• 1:24:09
  What he said at the same time, we possibly save some people's lives and
• 1:24:13
  I drove home, you know, so we'll take that. And I'll tell
• 1:24:15
  you what wasn't terrible, Tom was the viewership. Because even run about nineteen
• 1:24:18
  ninety five, when they get when the plug was eventually pulled on bulls Eye,
• 1:24:23
  I tell you they didn't get canceled. They were pulling in ten million
• 1:24:26
  viewers on a Saturday night. It moved from like sounded to Saturday I I
• 1:24:30
  kind of seem to recall it being on like before Gladiators or some such.
• 1:24:33
  Certainly, like before the blind Dates of this World. You had your bulls
• 1:24:36
  Eye ten million viewers, and they went to the maker of the originator of
• 1:24:44
  it, the guy called Andrew Wood that we mentioned back up the way,
• 1:24:46
  and said, okay, look, you know we're still doing all right,
• 1:24:48
  but we want to modernize bulls Eye. We want to make a few tweaks.
• 1:24:50
  We want to make a few changes. It's the nineties, is not
• 1:24:53
  the eighties, still using the old set. He still got all the old
• 1:24:56
  faces. So we're gonna make a couple of tweaks here just to pull it
• 1:24:59
  dragon and screaming into nineteen ninety five, and he goes, nah, I'm
• 1:25:02
  out. We're good. Yeah, just take it. I don't want it.
• 1:25:06
  We've all made a lot of money. I don't know what the fuck
• 1:25:10
  it is your intended to make. But no, you're God. I love
• 1:25:14
  that. I love that, not to be said for I love that the
• 1:25:16
  man knew would need enough money. I just he just fucking you do you
• 1:25:20
  do you? Because I'm not being involved this. It was. It was
• 1:25:24
  a beautiful thing we created and it lasted fourteen years. You rock on because
• 1:25:29
  Dave Spikey, Who's Who's Yeah? Jarmon Carroll was the thing, like,
• 1:25:31
  yeah, he did it, didn't he? And I got Dave Dave spike
• 1:25:35
  he's a decent comedian, and he was of like, you know what you
• 1:25:39
  might say is that yeah, is that Northern comedian Jim Boone. No,
• 1:25:43
  Dave Spikey, who you may know from Phoenix Knights everybody. He came back
• 1:25:46
  to host a revival of Bulls like in two thousand and six for I want
• 1:25:51
  to stay like m challenge you care one of these sort of oh yeah,
• 1:25:56
  I would be up in the high sixties channels. You know that it costs
• 1:25:59
  called fuck all to bring it back, and they brought it back for thirty
• 1:26:01
  episodes, and the best anybody has to say about it is that it was
• 1:26:05
  fine. It was by all means grand. It kept the same format of
• 1:26:12
  the show bar a couple of weeks and a couple of new catchphrases from Dave.
• 1:26:15
  Tony Green was still there on the hockey, calling out the numbers,
• 1:26:19
  the concepts, that the luck and feel of it was all the same.
• 1:26:23
  But whether it was just that in two thousand and six. People were just
• 1:26:25
  like, yeah, I'm not having it. It didn't really, it didn't
• 1:26:30
  really set the world on fire. And the thing that was missing from it
• 1:26:32
  as well, Tom, not for nothing. We've mentioned there that if Dave
• 1:26:36
  Spikey was presenting it, where the fuck was Jim Boone? Yeah? Where
• 1:26:41
  it was Jim Jim Boone at that stage had retired from show businesses. The
• 1:26:45
  official line on it, Jim Boone went on after a bulls eye to have
• 1:26:51
  like a local radio show in the morning on some BBC affiliate in the of
• 1:26:59
  England. One could have him. It kind of sounds a bit like Alan
• 1:27:01
  Partridge, you know, like exactly, Yeah, it got some early morning
• 1:27:04
  radio show and as Radio Norwiche Radio, Norwige. We're in about two thousand
• 1:27:10
  and two. I kind of remember this happening Tom, that he thought his
• 1:27:13
  mike was off and he he came out with some he described some lady in
• 1:27:19
  a in an incredibly racist fashion, and that was Jim Bone. That was
• 1:27:28
  it for Jim. Remember the same thing happened to fucking what do they call
• 1:27:30
  Ron Atkinson? Wasn't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty
• 1:27:33
  much the exact same thing. I remember these things happened to Andy Gray as
• 1:27:36
  well, got it as well, like you know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:40
  didn't and let their true feelings be known about a couple of things and people
• 1:27:45
  right now, you know. All yeah, So that was in two thousand
• 1:27:49
  and two. So he quote unquote retired from show business after that, but
• 1:27:55
  like he was still doing like his little stand up tours and you know,
• 1:27:58
  doing this kind of thing, but like not for an them. He was
• 1:28:00
  fucking old man at that stage. He was seventy years of age. It's
• 1:28:02
  probably time to tip on and retire. But I dare say they would have
• 1:28:05
  gotten them, all things being equal, they probably would have gotten them back
• 1:28:09
  for the Bull's Eye revival, even though in his own words he thought the
• 1:28:12
  show wasn't all that very good to beginning. But that's the thing, Like
• 1:28:15
  I mean, also maybe he knew when he had enough too, like because
• 1:28:18
  fuck me, you make it sound excuse me, you make it sound handy,
• 1:28:23
  but like thirty weeks out of the year doing it like it wasn't a
• 1:28:27
  half an hour, you know, it wasn't it was going to go you
• 1:28:29
  know, you know, in your heart, and so like you know,
• 1:28:30
  he says, oh, we only worked for three weeks out of the year
• 1:28:31
  and you got your thirty episodes, and I'm like, yeah, but yeah,
• 1:28:34
  these fucking things a day, like that's no easy joke. You'll be
• 1:28:38
  dead after the three weeks, and yes, he'd be prepping either side of
• 1:28:41
  the three weeks for three weeks as well. You'll be dying after three weeks.
• 1:28:45
  And then you know, fu, Yeah, you're great, great gig
• 1:28:49
  to get, but I guarantee it fucking burst him. And no man these
• 1:28:53
  seventies wants to be cracking into that. And I know I'm not. I'm
• 1:28:58
  not giving the guy a passer and for coming out with that racist stuff.
• 1:29:00
  But he's an old Northern guy, you know, who's a comic who's probably
• 1:29:05
  trying to make somebody laugh in the room too with some you know, terrible
• 1:29:10
  remark. I mean, like you know what it's not, it's not you
• 1:29:14
  know, it's when he was as the Fellow, you know, as there's
• 1:29:16
  plenty of comics said like when he was a child, when he were a
• 1:29:19
  ladd, you know, it was literally the Second World War, you know
• 1:29:25
  what I mean, like it was it was yeah, well you know what,
• 1:29:28
  Tom, when I was a lad, I was only eleven years away
• 1:29:30
  from the Moonlander. But yes, you know, Jim in thousand and six
• 1:29:38
  he moved on from a bull's eye, and then in twenty and twelve he
• 1:29:41
  moved on from life because he died at the age of eighty. I believe
• 1:29:45
  the man took a bunch of strengths. But Tony Green White had spoken,
• 1:29:50
  Tony Green He's still alive, Tom, He's still going to go. It's
• 1:29:54
  Tony. He's eighty four and he still commentates on the darts. Of course
• 1:29:58
  he does. Of course, yeah, of course he does. I've listened,
• 1:30:00
  yah, yeah, I mean, like he's not going to get into
• 1:30:01
  botany all of a sudden, Jesus, No, I know he'd comment I
• 1:30:05
  No, I definitely have I listened to him or you know, I've heard
• 1:30:09
  him one and it's it's the same, it's the same silky tones. Wow
• 1:30:15
  that you remember, you know, because that was the one thing about Tony
• 1:30:17
  and indeed about Jim as well. Tom. It has to be all said,
• 1:30:20
  like you know, they were encouraged, like they wanted you to win
• 1:30:26
  this money. Tony would if you were up to the hockey on for the
• 1:30:29
  non dark player. Yeah, yeah, yeah, take your time. You
• 1:30:31
  have all the time in the world. Relax, Just take your time and
• 1:30:34
  throw. Jim will be like, Okay, do your best. They wanted
• 1:30:38
  these people to win money. They really should they did. Yeah, it's
• 1:30:42
  it's it's it's it's uncommon. It's it was uncommon, and it was nice
• 1:30:45
  and it was it was good to see. But I'll tell you one thing
• 1:30:49
  before we wrap up, and bulls Eye Thomas a couple of stories here about
• 1:30:53
  bulls Eye, the one that comes up time and time again. I kind
• 1:30:56
  of knew it a little bit, but for those that have never heard of
• 1:30:59
  a bulls Eye was instrumental in catching a serial killer. Yes, yes,
• 1:31:04
  yes, yes, go on, please tell this one. Yeah, yes,
• 1:31:06
  indeed was. I guess Jim would call him a wrong um yeah,
• 1:31:12
  I wrong it. It would be around a real wrong un called John Cooper,
• 1:31:15
  who appeared in bulls Eye in the mid the eighties in between bouts of
• 1:31:19
  double Mortar. He killed two people in the years beforehand, went in bulls
• 1:31:25
  Eye and went on to kill two people in the months after it, and
• 1:31:28
  people were chasing down who was to kill these four people? He was a
• 1:31:30
  fucking good nick area and a real PiZZ of shit, right, a real
• 1:31:36
  Terry Duckworth he was. He was just a bad one, right. But
• 1:31:41
  investigators in two eleven, I want to say two and twelve, when they
• 1:31:45
  were building the case against this guy, John cooperd or like, we fucking
• 1:31:47
  know it's this guy. We just know we need a couple of extra bits
• 1:31:50
  of evidence to build a case, Like we need to know where he was
• 1:31:54
  in nineteen eighty five. And someone said, one, I know he was
• 1:32:00
  that fucker was on Bull's Eye. I get out because, yeah, he
• 1:32:02
  was on Bull's Eye. So they looked up the episode of him on Bull's
• 1:32:06
  Eye and there he is John Cooper in eighty five on Bull's Eye. I
• 1:32:11
  was like, and like, I'm Paraphrasen't it here, Tom, It's it's
• 1:32:18
  it's almost as basic as Jim goes from. So if you hadn't planned for
• 1:32:21
  the weekend, and he's like, oh, I'm just going over to the
• 1:32:25
  coast here, I'm just going to Miller at the coast for a couple of
• 1:32:28
  days, and it's like, you know, hang on a second, you're
• 1:32:32
  going to the coast for a couple of days. Let me just line up
• 1:32:35
  the things. And they looked at him on Bull's Eye and he looks like
• 1:32:41
  he looks like, you know, the Harry Enfield, Liverpoolian's Yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:45
  he looks like that's got the curly hair and the mustache. And then
• 1:32:47
  look at the identicate that was from an eyewitness report in nineteen eighty five of
• 1:32:53
  like this mysterious man that's seen hanging around, but the cops had no way
• 1:32:57
  of known in twenty twelve what John Cooper looked like in nineteen eighty five.
• 1:33:01
  They had an identicate, but they couldn't match it up to him. Yeah,
• 1:33:03
  and then they're like, let me just hold this identicate picture up its
• 1:33:10
  side by side. It's just a fucking they couldn't get over. It's like
• 1:33:14
  it's like he was sketched in court. It's literal. And that is how
• 1:33:19
  John Cooper to this day is facing life without the possibility up roll a fucking
• 1:33:27
  condition because one good God, there's there's for there's actually a similar story.
• 1:33:36
  It's about an American guy. Comedy. God, while it wasn't the Larry
• 1:33:40
  Sanders show, what was that? It wasn't Oh, it wasn't always sunny
• 1:33:45
  shit. I got I think if it said older guy with the glasses,
• 1:33:47
  very funny Jewish guy. I was rambling around it. Cranky. God,
• 1:33:51
  I can't remember the name of the show, But it's on Netflix, a
• 1:33:55
  documentary where a guy was just this hispanic chap was just picked up. They
• 1:33:59
  just went humor that I fucking didn't. I was at a baseball game to
• 1:34:02
  join that to prove it. Where should have seen that? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:04
  yeah, And it's like a million it's in the off, it's in
• 1:34:06
  the it's in the deleted scenes of Corby Enthusiasm, Curb Your Enthusiasm, that's
• 1:34:13
  it. Yeah, yeah, by pure Flukes. So which way they found
• 1:34:16
  that Curb Your Enthusiasm was filming at a live baseball game that day, and
• 1:34:20
  it was just a point where they kind of had left the camera running.
• 1:34:23
  It was and it was they've done to take a few times. Is where
• 1:34:26
  Larry's walking up the watch mccullo. He's walking up along the steps of the
• 1:34:30
  bleachers and there he is. Yeah, and there's the guy with his son.
• 1:34:33
  He had been accused of me more and he it was during that game
• 1:34:36
  was when he would So again, it was much like the bulls Eye story.
• 1:34:40
  It wasn't credible. Have you any more stories for me? A bulls
• 1:34:42
  Eye? I have? The only other thing I have about Bulls Eye is
• 1:34:45
  its legacy in the terms of turning based sports meets general knowledge quiz shows Tom,
• 1:34:51
  because although we didn't get a revival of Bulls Eye in the nineties,
• 1:34:56
  it's legacy was kind of carry down on the BBC with like the clear fucking
• 1:35:00
  rip off of a show I've ever seen. So, yeah, we're after
• 1:35:01
  spending an hour and some change, they're talking about bulls Eye, Tom,
• 1:35:05
  but we're not going to spend all that long talking about Big Break, which
• 1:35:09
  was the BBC's equivalent. You're talking about arts stake in snooker. To be
• 1:35:13
  honest, it was so seamless and it was so easy on the eye that
• 1:35:18
  I don't think at the time I spotted it that it was an absolute rip
• 1:35:21
  off. It was just like, oh, yeah, this makes sense,
• 1:35:25
  this makes absolute sense. You've Questions and snooker and John Virgo replaces Tony Green.
• 1:35:30
  I do like John Vergo, like, yeah, you replace one comedian
• 1:35:35
  in the form of Jim Boone with Jim Davidson, and then he can go
• 1:35:41
  off and have his own racism adult future. I mean it's like, literally
• 1:35:45
  fucking the twin peaks of Bulls Eye is big yea, yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:49
  yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. But and I dare say
• 1:35:54
  if they, if they could have made a Loan Bulls version of it called
• 1:35:59
  I don't know the tea, the long roll, the long roll, my
• 1:36:04
  fucking my my, My creative juices are gone at this stage, Tom,
• 1:36:08
  I don't know what. I don't know. I genuinely don't know any other
• 1:36:13
  there's I was racking my brain because I was like, obviously cards, I
• 1:36:16
  was thinking of pub based because that's when when we were talking about I was
• 1:36:19
  like, well, pub bass is what it has to be because you want
• 1:36:21
  the same clientele. And you know a good pub will have a snooker table,
• 1:36:26
  but every pub has a pool table. But it's the same thing,
• 1:36:28
  only different. And here's one for you. And it's a kid's game that
• 1:36:33
  you've probably both for your kids. But it's actually a very original I don't
• 1:36:36
  know if it's originated, but it's taken as a very serious game in parts
• 1:36:41
  of Cork. It's rings. I was just gonna say, I get a
• 1:36:45
  board ring board up there and ask a couple of questions in your pig rings
• 1:36:49
  are rings? Are is a game? And I did. I'd heard my
• 1:36:53
  brother in law, who's a very accomplished darts player. He's played on county
• 1:36:57
  teams and everything for Cork. I just played all the time when I lived
• 1:37:00
  down there. I just just started to enjoy it because it was it was
• 1:37:04
  a good excuse to have pints. Not that I need an excuse, but
• 1:37:10
  you know what it was. You could I could document my pints. I
• 1:37:15
  could put a graduation on my pints, whereas in my twenties I could drink
• 1:37:20
  all the pints if I had no leach, and darts was a handy leach
• 1:37:26
  because you'd keep yourself some way, right because we were playing for you know,
• 1:37:29
  five ers and tenors and stuff like that against other people. So it
• 1:37:33
  was good for me in that sence. But then rings was mentioned to me.
• 1:37:35
  I went, wait, and we actually haven't like it has to be
• 1:37:40
  considered antique at this stage. Here somewhere in the parents attic it would have
• 1:37:44
  been. It was my mother's family who are from kill Kenny was there rings
• 1:37:47
  thing. But I went, it's not played in pubs and he was ah,
• 1:37:50
  fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, and blow and behold. I
• 1:37:54
  took him at his word. Then one particular summer I was working for this
• 1:37:57
  builder who he had me labor and I went out to this pub. We
• 1:38:01
  were doing up the lounge and it was one of those pubs Jerry that the
• 1:38:04
  guards and never visited. Outful started like nine in the morning, the owners
• 1:38:10
  and milkman as well, so he never sleeps. He just goes on cider
• 1:38:13
  and fucking crisps. And this very first morning, I'm ripping down this ceiling
• 1:38:17
  or whatever in the lounge pit and I hear this click click click click click
• 1:38:24
  click click, Like, what the fuck is that? What I'm thinking?
• 1:38:29
  They're playing cards, the loudest game of snap ever, and stick my head
• 1:38:33
  around the door and there's a load of outloads fucking money up on the table
• 1:38:38
  playing rings, and I'm like, are they just giving it a go because
• 1:38:41
  somebody brought in a ringboard. Turns out, when I looked at the property
• 1:38:44
  was framed in on the wall. The fucking rings had their proper, proper
• 1:38:47
  little you know, little stick sticking out of the wall that you hung your
• 1:38:50
  rings on, Like, oh, it's it's a piece of piss. And
• 1:38:56
  I remember going out to play the bar owner like one of the days it
• 1:39:00
  is not a piece of piss at all, Not if you're trying to win.
• 1:39:02
  No, not if you're trying to win the amount of mind that just
• 1:39:04
  swung around that little hook and fucked off across the floor. Because the rubber,
• 1:39:10
  it's real rubber. Yeah, you can't play with timber. You can't
• 1:39:13
  play it's actual from the rubber tree, rubber. You know, like a
• 1:39:16
  chap in Africa may have lost an arm as a result of one of these
• 1:39:18
  fucking rings. Like you know, you'd be playing there something. But the
• 1:39:21
  Belgians, you know, that was their thing back in the day. I'm
• 1:39:24
  just saying like, but I was when you said this, man, I
• 1:39:27
  went, rings would abs a fucking honest not if you heard them, you'd
• 1:39:32
  heard them by is they're playing away the rings at that stage time. If
• 1:39:34
  you just darted in and go really quick, I'll give you a ten or
• 1:39:38
  if you tell me the name of the fucking horse right we were in we
• 1:39:45
  were in bailing the blow, Jerry, those fuckers would have known the name
• 1:39:48
  of the horse and the amount of fucking horses that were hill. That can
• 1:39:51
  promise you that we were. We were about five miles and build the blow.
• 1:39:55
  Yeah you mean the horse we didn't get Yeah, he'll be and and
• 1:40:00
  and that was just as you mentioned. As you mentioned the pub sports of
• 1:40:03
  an all time that really, I think was the appeal of balls. I
• 1:40:06
  like it. Really it felt Jim hosting the show and his mannerisms and his
• 1:40:13
  and his kind of charm, and as he lost control every now and then
• 1:40:16
  of the crowd a little bit, and to get them back on track.
• 1:40:19
  It really felt like a pub own or trying to get everybody to shush for
• 1:40:24
  a minute so we could do the raffle. Yeah, but come here.
• 1:40:26
  I I remember I remember being you know, in a pub as a child
• 1:40:34
  and it being on the television over the bar and everybody loving it, yeah,
• 1:40:41
  loving it right, like watching it like fuck. And then as soon
• 1:40:44
  as it was over, gives out and people either had their own darts or
• 1:40:47
  there was the house darts, and the fucking dartboard would be lit up for
• 1:40:51
  the fucking night after it, much like Wimbledon, everybody bust out the fucking
• 1:40:55
  tennis rackets, flaking balls across this. You know, if you had your
• 1:41:00
  neighborhood a tired fucking driveway, you were all over to that because we only
• 1:41:03
  have head stones and I was fuck all used for at tennis ball. But
• 1:41:05
  it was the same thing would inspire Jesus you know, off you go.
• 1:41:11
  But it was it was worthy of keeping a pub crowd entertained because it was
• 1:41:15
  just a home away from home, you know what I mean. It was
• 1:41:17
  worthy of an episode, a season starter at that of the Tom and Jerry
• 1:41:24
  Show. Indeed, well done, There we go. We wrapped up at
• 1:41:28
  a reasonable time too. Yeah, how about that. We'll try and not
• 1:41:31
  keep that up. That's so Tom, there you go. People may have
• 1:41:35
  forgotten or people just ignored us the first time. What do we want them
• 1:41:38
  to do? If they liked the Tom first and foremost, follow us and
• 1:41:41
  all the usual platforms Jeremy Bride, Tomamnny you'll find us. Would let us
• 1:41:45
  know you're maybe you're nostalgic show from your childhood, whether it's the eighties,
• 1:41:50
  nineties, or seventies or sixties, whatever here you're from. If you have
• 1:41:54
  memories of of Bullseye, please please send us on pictures. Let us know
• 1:42:00
  if we were idiots and missing out and all the action that was going on
• 1:42:01
  on songs of praise at the time, please let us know. Do do
• 1:42:04
  do? But in the meantime, if whatever platform you are listening on,
• 1:42:09
  whether it be Spotify, mostly are out of Spotify, things that like ninety
• 1:42:12
  five percent of this stage, give it the five stars. Anything less than
• 1:42:15
  that is. But what it'll do for us is it'll spike us back up
• 1:42:18
  again because we mean not a bit of hiatus, and people will start seeing
• 1:42:23
  it again and joining in the show. Oh then that does nothing much else
• 1:42:27
  to do other than maybe share, tell people about it, do a screen
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  grab, let us know where you're listening to. If you have any debates
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  on the thing, like a Lands you were voking way off there for Jiz,
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  please do tell us because you're going to have ample opportunities to talk to
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  us throughout this season, because there's going to be a lot of things that's
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  going to make you do that. And I promise you, Jeremy Bride and
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  I will definitely fucking answer you. Oh we will. We are the start
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  that will dig our heels in even if we're absolutely wrong and we find out
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  we're wrong, we will not back down because we're ignorant, we have interest,
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  hair and we have our views. Just saying is that might turned off
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  Jerry anyway? Well, like I was saying about that fire there, we
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  go one episode into season seven and we both sided. Bernard Manning didn't see
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  that one coming. We will see you next week with an equally obscure but
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  very fun subject that we will deep dive, tear apart, have a looking
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  underneath, maybe put the bonnet back down and call an actual professional situation.
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  And this whole season, I dare say Tom will indeed be super smashing great.
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  In the words of Jim Boone, although he was adamant that he never
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  fucking said that. Here's the thing with super smashing great before you go on,
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  he absolutely did say super smashing grade. He just never said. He
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  just never said them all in the row. Things were either super or smashing,
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  or great or great, but he never said super smashing great. Listen,
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  he's been Jeremy Bride, Oh yeah, sorry, super spacial grade.
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  He's been Tom Omaney, fuck me yeah, Rusty Wheel toam. How can
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  I say that's all right until next week? Don't let the door hit You
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  were the good Lord of Bleacher