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The Role of Family in Treatment: A Conversation with Todd Weatherly · Finding New Waters

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  Just because you know what's going on.
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  And maybe you've done a little treatment, you're still a whole
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  world of stuff that you probably need to follow through with, in
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  order for the all of this to stick.
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  Yeah. You know, for a person who
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  suffer if you've been hospitalized or you got
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  something that you guys would identify say as a primary
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  substance use condition and that's been identified, we know
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  for a fact that a year of sobriety might buy you two can
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  put in a year, you might have bought yourself another one.
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  If you can put into you might have Bought five, but sobriety
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  is a lifelong process. It's not just about sobriety,
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  it's about like self-care and self knowing and identifying
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  things that cause you to seek out, this numbing thing that
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  you've done with your life or cause trouble if it's a mental
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  illness, you know, if this big, you know, the ugly head of a
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  mental illness, starts to rear its head and I don't even know
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  what that is. The person that psychotic
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  features they had, you know, severe depression or they had
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  all this information. Those controls that fits, like,
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  what do we do that? So, well, you don't turn on,
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  it's not like breaking a leg. It's a long-term condition we're
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  going to have to go for, you know, six months a year, two
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  years worth of various levels of care.
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  Good afternoon. My name is Graham, Dougie and
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  I'm the founder and CEO of new orders recovery in Raleigh.
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  North Carolina, Welcome to finding new Waters.
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  I'm joined today by our director of admissions and Outreach.
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  Be Reeves and Todd Weatherly managing partner at Stucker
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  Smith and Weatherly Todd is a Pioneer and leader with over 25
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  years of experience in the field of Health and Human Services.
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  He's passionate about building programs creating community and
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  helping families. A career driven by his deep.
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  Meant to serving others as a former treatment program,
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  executive director and CEO. He's a widely sought advisor
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  throughout the treatment Community.
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  He has focused as a mental health and substance use
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  treatment and program, consultant consultant for over a
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  decade and isn't qualified mental health and substance
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  abuse prevention. Professional our goal in
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  creating finding new Waters is to provide a resource for
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  families to help navigate the complexities of supporting a
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  loved one. Struggling with substance use or
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  mental health. We find ourselves in crisis to
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  do to one of these issues. Most people have no idea what
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  it's her where to turn. We hope to shed some light.
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  Light on to what is often The Darkest Hour for many families
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  Todd. Thanks for being here today,
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  buddy. Thanks for having me.
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  I would like to add to that little bit.
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  You did about me. Thank you.
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  That was very nice. I'm really just a guy really
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  just a guy, a hundred percent, right?
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  And and I think we're all, you know, we're obviously all
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  working in this field and and kind of doing God's work here.
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  And you know the reality is that a lot of us are in this work
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  because we've struggled with these things in our own lives,
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  right? And you know, I love the Into
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  this a little bit today. And obviously the, you know, the
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  real goal is I kind of stated there is to, you know, provide
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  resources for families to help them navigate.
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  The complexities of dealing with substance use disorder or any
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  mental health conditions. And, you know, you are a
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  therapeutic consultants and I think that you know, for a lot
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  of people they don't even really know what a therapeutic
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  consultant is. So I love for you to kind of dig
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  into that a little bit and kind of explain kind of what you do
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  for your career, absolutely. And A lot of the families that
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  did end up finding us know and calling me or like I didn't know
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  you existed. I wish I had known about this
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  several years ago or when we started this journey because
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  what they've done is you know, ended up in a crisis, may be
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  ended up in a hospital and and and then after that, it's like,
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  well, we're just going to follow the advice of the people that
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  gave us this care for three days and you know their version of
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  that is just some outpatients and whatever we know that that's
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  not enough for folks. Hospitals are largely Band-Aids,
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  you know, they'll get a person to where they're not a harm to
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  themselves or others as the Criterion, right.
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  And then after that you're you're good to go except you're
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  not good to go. And then you walk out into this
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  world where What kind of program do I have?
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  Heck, what kind of illness are we dealing with?
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  I don't even feel clear. They've handed me a discharge
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  summary. That's two pages long.
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  It's got a couple of words I don't really understand or it's
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  using terminology that I'm not familiar with I go look it up on
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  the internet and it's like oh my gosh it's like well do I need
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  PHP or IOP? Does any rigid residential care?
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  What kind of Residential Care there?
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  Are they you know, all the sudden they're faced with this
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  mass of material is undifferentiated mass of how to
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  care for Mental illness or co-occurring substance use
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  disorder and they don't know where to turn.
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  Yeah. Some people try to do it on
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  their own and when they do that, you know, at the Google
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  consultant and try to figure things out and they end up
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  spending a lot of money, a lot of time misdiagnosis you know
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  treatment after treatment hospitalizations all these other
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  pieces and that they see that Ultimately don't work or not,
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  you know, designed or a good fit for the person who's needing
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  care, and they get a year, two years, down the road, and
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  there's still no better off. And so the, you know, the
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  therapeutic consultant, of course, is I mean, last year, I
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  turned 70 programs. Hmm, I still feel like I still
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  run into do programs. I still like wow there's a whole
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  series of programs in this area. I didn't know about right?
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  I can't imagine I've been in the field for 25 years.
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  I can't imagine being a family faced with it and then all the
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  sudden having to go, okay, I'm going to make myself an expert,
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  right? You know, if you find someone
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  who can be a guide, I mean, you don't go in it.
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  You don't go into a courtroom without an attorney because you
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  don't know the law. Unfortunately, we don't have a
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  user-friendly system, unless they come to places like new
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  Waters, where people are very friendly and very accommodating
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  and know what they're talking about.
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  They happen to be lucky enough to find a resource like you
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  Yours awesome. But otherwise you know they're
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  turning to this mass of material and language and everything
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  else. They don't know how to manage
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  and if they come to someone it come to a therapeutic consultant
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  like any member of our team or they're you know there's a whole
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  there's not a lot of therapy to Consultants out there but there
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  are a few if you happen to find a good one, they can help you
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  identify things. Navigate the system.
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  Figure out that hey, you know, just because you know what's
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  going on and maybe you've done a little treatment, you're still a
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  whole world of stuff that you probably need to follow through
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  with, in order for the all of this to stick.
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  Yeah. You know, for a person who
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  suffer if you've been hospitalized or you got
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  something that you guys would identify say as a primary
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  substance use condition and that's been identified.
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  We know for a fact that a year of sobriety might buy you two
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  being put in a year, you might have bought yourself another
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  one. If you can put into, you might
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  have bought five, right? But sobriety is a lifelong
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  process. It's not just about sobriety,
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  it's about like self-care and self knowing and identifying
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  things that cause you to seek out, this numbing thing that
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  you've done with your life or cause trouble if it's a mental
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  illness, you know, if this big, you know, the ugly head of a
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  mental illness, starts to rear its head and I don't even know
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  what that is. The person that psychotic
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  features they had, you know, severe depression or they had
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  all this impulse control stuff. It's like What do we do that?
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  So I'm well, you don't turn on. It's not like breaking a leg.
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  It's a long-term condition we're going to have to go for, you
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  know, six months a year, two years worth of various levels of
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  care. Yeah, people leave a note.
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  They didn't even know that fact right when they go into it.
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  So yeah, they think that they're going to send their their loved
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  one away. It's going to be a 30 day, you
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  know, quick fix and you know, we're going to fix them.
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  They're going to come back, a different human being, right?
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  That's obviously not the reality Rio form for not a car needing a
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  new Operator for right now. And and it's interesting because
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  we you know, I think in general, we've seen this over the last
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  kind of, you know, six to seven years, where we've started to
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  see a ton of especially young adults to who have been in
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  treatment 6, 7, 10, 12 times before the age of 30, you know?
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  And you know, that's concerning obviously we're missing
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  something there, right? And that was really, why we
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  started, you know, this assessment track to begin with
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  at new orders was because you know, again, we were missing so
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  much Right. And I think there's a lot of
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  underlying issues that weren't being addressed or identified,
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  whether it was you know possibly autism OCD.
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  You know thought disorders and any kind of litany of things and
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  you know we just keep sending them down the same pipe and
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  sending them to you know primary substance use program.
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  That's just not hitting them work right?
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  And so you know I think that you're right and I guess you hit
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  on something there. I wanted to you know pin on is
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  you said if you get hooked up with a good educational or
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  therapeutic Consultants In your opinion, what's the difference
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  between a good and a bad or less?
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  Than what would you be if somebody was out there looking
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  for a therapeutic Consulting? What would you recommend that?
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  They the top like five questions that there would ask?
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  Well I mean and sometimes I get families ask some of these.
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  So I belong to an organization called the therapeutic
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  Consulting Association. If you go to their website,
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  you'll find a very long document of ethical guidelines for
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  therapeutic Consultants. So we're going to go to read
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  that but you know know know person who's behaving or claims
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  to be a consultant should be getting money from programs
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  should be getting Kickbacks. This is not a you know they're
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  serving their clients being an independent consultant means
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  that you're not tied to any specific program or you know, in
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  the pocket of any particular program which happens you've
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  even got programs that will offer to pay consultants for
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  referrals and it's I've had them and like yeah let's no.
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  So be sending here anymore. Yeah it's like well it sounds
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  like you're sending me here. You can pay by these guys.
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  It's like it's a fair question and you should ask it.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  The other pieces if you've got a consultant that's not out
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  traveling that's not meeting with programs and and seeing
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  places and getting around the country for the TCA we're
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  required to visit at least 40 new programs per year.
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  Hmm, we can have a few of those Be a recycler revisit but
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  generally speaking we're out there finding new programs that
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  we haven't been to so that we can you know broaden our scope
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  of understanding of the field and what treatment is like out
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  there. Because not only do you run into
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  new places which is great, but you also places change, you
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  know, we were talking earlier a little bit about Wilderness
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  programs it's like it's willing to support units like well
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  they're good Wilderness programs and then there are pro pro
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  Wellness programs that ran into trouble of some kind and they
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  closed their programs across The board that maybe they change
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  leadership or maybe they just change clinical model.
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  Maybe they change something and it's like there are some nuances
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  here. I want to be familiar with for I
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  send my client there because I want to know what who the right
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  client is so you also want it you know it's not necessary.
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  I say this because I'm not a licensed clinician.
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  I'm a I've got other qualifications but I've been in
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  the field for a very long time. Look for look for you know
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  organizations. They belong to look for Media
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  presence or web presence, that demonstrates that they're out
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  there doing the work I would even say to which I love is
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  talking to an alumni family. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  You know, it's like listen get me hook me up with three alumni
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  families that I can talk to and you know, and let's see kind of
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  what their feedback is now. Now they're going to give you
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  people that obviously had a good experience with them but you can
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  you know get a good feel for it right.
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  You know I had heard that come up and I gave a client, a former
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  client the They're their adult child.
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  They didn't end up going to treatment because they were very
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  hesitant and had a lot of issues that were kind of moving the
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  needle along with difficult for them.
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  But we were a resource for the family.
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  They had a plan when they were when he was ready to kind of
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  take that help and everything else.
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  And even though we got through it, I still have from the
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  family. They were they were referral for
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  us and you know, they are a reference and And when the
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  reference cause, like, why did you give me a family where the
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  person didn't actually go to treatment?
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  I was like, we don't know the end of his story yet this family
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  has gone through a long process and we've just been Guides
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  Through that process, he knows where to go, they know they've
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  got the resources for being able to find what they need when he's
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  ready, but everybody reaches ready on their own speed.
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  And so not pushing not pushing a person and really listening to
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  them and waiting them for the waiting for them to be ready,
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  even if it's not set inside of this, Service agreement term
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  frein is really important and they were like that sounds
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  really reasonable to be so anyway, you know.
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  Yeah. I got a question, what the terms
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  educational consultant and therapeutic consultant seem to
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  be somewhat interchangeable but clearly there's a difference in
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  the know you've got educational therapeutic.
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  Consultant can you just shed some light on that for everybody
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  who probably has wondered that as well and consultant was born
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  out of. I want to get my Kid into
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  boarding school, the top boarding school or the top
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  college, you know, or both and then you had and, you know, that
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  that started off a long time ago.
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  And it's and the Northwest. Yeah, and he's tried.
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  And then, you know, suddenly it was like, you know, my kid,
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  before they go to boarding school is going to need
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  treatment or that, you know, they, having problems or, and
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  then the treatment field can be came to, you know, started to
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  expand but the Ed Consultants stuck.
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  Because when you were sending them to a maybe you're sending
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  to a boarding school. Or in this case, a therapeutic
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  boarding school. He had a, you needed a person
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  who is able to review. Are they, you know, are they
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  having reading issues? You know, what is their waste
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  say? What is their full scale IQ or
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  Masters and I changed? Yeah.
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  How does that match up to? How does it match up to a
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  treatment program? That's going to help them
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  address, say dyslexia, for example, or whatever.
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  Dysgraphia. And so, you had all of that
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  coming in? And then, you know, I think as
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  time went on, we could probably speak about this for a while,
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  but we just started seeing, I mean, people got kids and young
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  adults, got more and more complex, and more, more complex
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  conditions, and their conditions were complex enough.
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  It's like, forget school. We got to focus on treatment.
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  You know, we're going to we're going to drop academics for a
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  little while and we're going to help this person.
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  Get well do you think these starting to What do you think
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  the kids have gotten more complex or do you think that
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  there are more labels to put on the same?
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  Same type of kid - that question if you too.
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  I think that I think we've got more words and I think we've got
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  more capability to treat and evaluate.
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  The other piece though is that we still don't have a functional
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  mental health system, it doesn't exist in the school systems by
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  and large. It does not exist in the ages by
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  and large colleges will. I mean they are very resistant
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  even admitting that there's a mental health or substance abuse
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  problem on their campus as we all know.
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  And so what you end up with is a Kick, the Can down the road and
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  a person. If they had been treated, when
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  they started having problems could have been pretty well off.
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  Yeah. Except now they're X however,
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  far down the road and this condition has gotten much worse
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  and then you've got the whole parenting equation.
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  I mean, we see a lot of, I mean, we all see, AMA.
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  Just some of the worst trauma that you can kind of Imagine
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  coming out of family, scenarios or even school.
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  Bullying scenarios. What have you and Trauma?
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  Just yeah, it's absolutely chance to hurt.
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  You know what these kids are dealing with now.
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  Yeah. And then social media and you
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  know, I was going to say social things that are coming at them.
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  It's obviously I have three daughters myself and it's, you
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  know, they're very young and we're already starting to have
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  to have these conversations and navigated and, you know, you see
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  them there J just get so attached to it.
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  Addicted to the the screen, right?
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  So now sorry I had something that I just totally lost my
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  train of thought on this from a I've heard it said since I've
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  been in this field that trauma is the real gateway drug.
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  You heard that agree with that? What?
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  He's Thomas, the great wage. I haven't heard.
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  Gateway the real gateway drug. I mean, I agree with that.
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  I mean, I think that, you know, it's rare that you can work with
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  someone who's struggling with a level of condition that Requires
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  the kind of intervention you guys.
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  Provide more needs residential care.
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  That doesn't have some trauma in their bad guy out.
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  Yeah, you know. Yep.
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  Either it's as a result of their drug use or it was, you know,
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  it's what incited their drug use.
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  For example and you know, co-occurring mental illness and
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  all the other pieces, traumas, traumas, their resiliency is
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  the, you know, there's a lot of there's a resiliency model, some
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  schools are trying to use it but like, Why in the animals like
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  they point at zebras? It's like you see the zebra
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  crossing a river and it's like an Italian crocodile tries to
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  eat it and something else and it just kind of kicks it off and
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  shakes it off and keeps going. It's like, how do we, how do we
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  do that? You know, how do we pick that
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  back up is as people living in a world that we do?
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  That's, that's a good question. I think there's good programming
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  for it, but yeah, we could use a little more.
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  How have you? What have you seen?
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  So on the subject of social media and Trauma and bullying,
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  and all that, I mean, you've been doing this long enough to
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  see the real rise of social media, just taking over
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  everyone's lives. Is it just been?
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  What's it been like to see that in your, in your world?
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  Well, I mean Graham says that, you know, they do you get your
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  kids getting? Access to phones and devices
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  like very early on there. The substitute babysitter, you
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  know. And so the problem is, is that
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  it's everything at once, you know.
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  It's like a, it's like, I need some water.
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  So I'm going to put my mouth to a fire hose and somebody's going
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  to turn it on full blast and like that's what you know.
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  I'm a Gen X or so I grew up. We didn't have phones, would
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  have screens, you waited for your show to come on between
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  this time and this time, And I just don't have the same draw to
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  being obsessed with my phone that I see, young adults, having
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  well, I even saw, I've read something actually funny enough
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  today, and I was talking about how kids today and really the
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  phones, and the screens, and all that are becoming such an issue
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  because kids today have no idea how to be bored, right?
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  And like being bored is a good thing for a kid because it makes
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  them go outside and play and use their imagination and you know,
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  try to, you know, just figure things out, right?
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  Rather. Other than, you know, that
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  instant gratification of always being entertained and constant,
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  you know, screen time. And I think that that's really
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  becoming a that's part of, like, this whole thing that's
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  happening with social media. I don't even think we have a
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  real grasp on how detrimental this is going to be to our
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  society at this point, but we're certainly seeing a lot of it in
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  the behavioral health field. And I even think, too that
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  there's going to be a real Market down the road for, you
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  know, technology addiction, you know, and yeah, I think that
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  these treatment programs, you know, I need to start, you know,
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  trying to figure out how we're going to start treating this
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  technology addiction because it's just Well, they're out
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  there already back. There's a program in the area
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  where I am foundations Asheville, they actually own the
• 20:18
  phone's. So kids come out of treatment.
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  They go in this Transitional Living programs, they own the
• 20:23
  phone. It's got limited access.
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  They monitor everything that's going on.
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  It it's got some social media on it because they want them to
• 20:31
  practice but they also are like, okay, did you feel triggered by
• 20:35
  any of these things to? How long did you were only
• 20:37
  allowed to be on the phone for this long and then they They
• 20:40
  will work their way to getting their phone back.
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  Yeah and I'm you know like yeah that's awesome.
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  That went in that place is called what foundations
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  Asheville is. A is part of the trails Trails
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  Carolina Trails momentum family of programs.
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  Very cool. Yeah we were at a conference
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  together. We're deaf Montreat or no not
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  monetary but I won't name the conference actually but oh the
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  young adult conference, right? Yes.
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  And and They will Saturday in a session and I think we were just
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  talking about the guy who was, who was the speaker and they
• 21:16
  were talking about the ramifications of the therapeutic
• 21:19
  boarding schools in the Paris Elton stuff.
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  And they were the the the topic was what would be the next thing
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  that would be considered abusive and they were they were saying
• 21:30
  that they were afraid that taking kids phones from now
• 21:34
  would be considered abuse in 10 years because that's it be like
• 21:38
  tantamount to chopping their hand off.
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  Off. And that's the fear that the,
• 21:42
  these kids are so addicted to their phones.
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  The not having them is considered abuse, and there's
• 21:47
  not an in, and they have no tolerance for the distress,
• 21:50
  right? Right?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That's a scary thought. That's so yeah, it is.
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  And, you know, it's certainly, you know, we're doing the best
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  that we can to try to like manage those things at home and
• 22:04
  and obviously working in the field.
• 22:06
  You know, in dealing with these things and seeing these
• 22:08
  behaviors is always you know you To bring the stuff home and
• 22:11
  implement it in your life, but it's not easy.
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  You know, really isn't. And I wanted to go back and talk
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  about, you know, you were talking a little bit earlier
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  about of touring programs, visiting programs, and the
• 22:22
  importance of all that and that kind of brought something up for
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  me too, because I know when here with our team in our Continuing
• 22:29
  Care team, you know, we really look at the program but not only
• 22:32
  the program, but a lot of times like who's the clinical clinical
• 22:35
  team, right? And I think that, that is
• 22:37
  something that most places don't do, but you Do we really need to
• 22:40
  start getting very granular on how we referring our patients.
• 22:44
  Because, you know, if you're just sending a clients who, uh,
• 22:47
  program that's a good program. It's really, it's, you know,
• 22:50
  throwing darts at a dartboard and what therapist you're going
• 22:52
  to get and you don't know what that fits going to be like and
• 22:55
  that's that could be, you know, that could be hit or miss on
• 22:58
  whether the program works, right?
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  So talk a little bit about that and you know what I mean?
• 23:04
  You know there's the there's the ones, it's not a school of
• 23:07
  thought. I mean it's something that a
• 23:09
  study that came out. you know, it's not the They took five
• 23:14
  different treatment models and they tried to measure the
• 23:17
  efficacy of the treatment models.
• 23:19
  They all came out about the same, and they found that the
• 23:22
  factor that made the determination as to whether or
• 23:25
  not the treatment, but model was successful.
• 23:27
  I'm so sorry provider. Yeah, it was like being able to
• 23:30
  build rapport and having a trusting relationship and those
• 23:33
  kinds of things. I think a lot of that centers
• 23:35
  around a good leadership team and a good Clinical Director.
• 23:39
  You know you might you know you're throwing darts at a
• 23:41
  dartboard for which Therapist you're going to get but you
• 23:44
  know, for me if I'm placing a client I'm sure this is true for
• 23:47
  you. That's great.
• 23:49
  I love that you've got nice buildings and and and pillows on
• 23:52
  the couches. But can I talk to your Clinical
• 23:56
  Director, other a second? You know, and if, if what I hear
• 24:00
  from that person is a person who knows how to look at the client
• 24:04
  that I'm sending to them. And go, you know what, I think
• 24:07
  this person is going to have a personality match with You know,
• 24:11
  the new therapist that I just hired or this therapist who's
• 24:13
  just, you know, old old hand at this particular condition or
• 24:16
  whatever it is or is really good at this particular practice or
• 24:19
  methodology and can really place and work a team and knows how
• 24:23
  to, you know, manage a milieu, you know, the treatment
• 24:25
  environment that way. That's what I'm looking for out
• 24:29
  of a program and I'm looking for the relationship.
• 24:31
  I'm looking for somebody who can talk to me and we can kind of
• 24:35
  get to the nitty-gritty for a minute and we can we can put a
• 24:38
  lit down and in Fairly short order to make sure that we are a
• 24:42
  good match. And and then continue that
• 24:45
  conversation, it's a person receives treatment, you know?
• 24:48
  That's that's what a consultant should be doing for you and then
• 24:51
  turn around and give it to the family.
• 24:52
  Maybe I'm jumping in on the call or I'm turning around and saying
• 24:56
  you know and several of my family's now.
• 24:57
  They're like even though they've been kind of through the
• 24:59
  wringer, they still feel unclear about how does this process go
• 25:03
  and what is this mean? And you know what should we
• 25:07
  expect next? And all these other things
• 25:09
  that's like, And they still even three years worth of being
• 25:13
  through it with their, with their adult child, and they
• 25:16
  still are uncertain as to what, like, two days from now, should
• 25:20
  supposed to supposed to look like.
• 25:21
  Right? So we have a lot of phone calls,
• 25:23
  it's like okay, you know, it's we're doing alright, looks good
• 25:27
  so far. We're still early in, right?
• 25:30
  Yeah. And we got to be patient, you
• 25:32
  know. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:33
  And I and, and from like a treatment, provider perspective,
• 25:37
  I mean, it having somebody like you in the mix is Amazing
• 25:41
  because, you know, you get your doing such great work with the
• 25:43
  family, right? And that, you know, I listen we
• 25:47
  worked on clients together before I know this for a fact.
• 25:51
  So but you know, I think that obviously that's important to us
• 25:55
  as the providers because, you know, we're kind of on the front
• 25:58
  end and we're handling the client.
• 26:00
  And sometimes that's that takes a lot, right?
• 26:02
  So when you throw the family into the mix, if we have a
• 26:04
  little support from somebody like you and obviously you have
• 26:07
  a ton of background, I've been working with the family for, you
• 26:09
  know, x amount of months. It's it's a huge huge benefits
• 26:13
  us. So.
• 26:14
  Yeah, they're not blowing up the program trying to figure out
• 26:16
  what's going on and we like, you know, they've got a little and
• 26:18
  got somebody, they can go to when they're nervous and right?
• 26:20
  Because they are often nervous and rightfully so.
• 26:23
  And they don't know that this is this is not just as we said
• 26:25
  earlier like you're not sending your kid a way to just get
• 26:28
  fixed. Right right.
• 26:29
  This is you're going to be doing work to you know, this is a
• 26:31
  family disease. Everybody's got some by in here
• 26:34
  and everybody's going to have to kind of do some.
• 26:36
  Do some changing? Absolutely.
• 26:38
  Yeah. What do you ask?
• 26:40
  Families, typically to do in terms of keeping their side of
• 26:43
  the street clean. you know, a lot of I think I don't want a
• 26:49
  family feel like they shouldn't ask for information or feel like
• 26:52
  they know what's going on. I think that's legitimate that a
• 26:54
  family wants to know that. But, you know, the, it's the
• 26:58
  contact with their child adolescent or young adult, or
• 27:03
  adult. Like I went, can I call them
• 27:05
  every day? It's like, no, I want them to
• 27:08
  turn to the program, right? I want them, they're using you
• 27:12
  as a time fly. Let Them Fight.
• 27:14
  You like, they're using you as a comfort right now.
• 27:16
  I want them to turn to somebody else to follow.
• 27:19
  Whoa, follow the program engage in the program start getting
• 27:23
  benefit from the clinical care that you are paying for.
• 27:26
  So if they turned you and you're calling them all the time.
• 27:29
  And and that's right there. There are some programs that
• 27:31
  take phones and then there are others where it's kind of freely
• 27:33
  available depends on where you go if they're doing this call a
• 27:37
  time, I'm like ma'am. Maybe we should one call I'll
• 27:40
  simply to write at a certain time and only for this long.
• 27:44
  All right, so setting limits around.
• 27:45
  That is one of the big things that that is important.
• 27:50
  Why? So from what?
• 27:52
  I know, Consultants seem to be work with teenagers and young
• 27:57
  adults. And then is there a need or do
• 28:00
  you find, do you work with, you know, adults functioning adults,
• 28:03
  who have, you know, maybe Lucifer's kids that ever
• 28:06
  happened? Well you were, I mean we were
• 28:08
  talking about you know what makes a good consultant and part
• 28:12
  of it is also You know, I have a team so I have myself and three
• 28:17
  other individuals who work in my practice, so each one of them
• 28:22
  has a bit of a specialty. Like if I feel like I'm out of
• 28:25
  my bandwidth here, I'll call, you know, one of my people and
• 28:28
  say, hey, why don't you pick up this case?
• 28:30
  Because you've got either connection to a program that's
• 28:33
  going to serve them or a connection to the condition that
• 28:36
  they're that they're struggling with and feel like you can talk
• 28:39
  to the family. So we're doing personality
• 28:41
  matches as well. I think that you find
• 28:45
  Consultants, who will kind of take business when it comes
• 28:48
  shows up that happens. 12:30, like Child therapeutic
• 28:58
  placement. 022 11, 10 11. Its own bag.
• 29:04
  Yeah, I have to refer all those out, right?
• 29:08
  I refer most of the up to 16 out because 1314 also its own bag.
• 29:16
  It's a whole, it's a whole world unto itself.
• 29:19
  Mmm. You know, there's educational
• 29:21
  evaluation, the programs are different.
• 29:23
  So, if I'm in the Stream of visiting young, adult an adult,
• 29:26
  G. I'm not picking up these
• 29:28
  therapeutic boarding schools and treatment treatment programs for
• 29:31
  that age group, right? And then young adult even young
• 29:35
  adult is kind of its own world. You know there's a there's a
• 29:39
  strong cord of young adult treatment out there and you can
• 29:42
  go to Wilderness or you can go to Residential Treatment
• 29:45
  Facility, based residential treatment or Assessment Center,
• 29:48
  or I mean there's the wide variety and then where you start
• 29:51
  running out and this is part of what, you know, our practice we
• 29:55
  do is We're actually one of the few that serves older adults.
• 29:59
  So, I've got 25 to 30 percent of our client bases.
• 30:03
  Over the age of 40. No way.
• 30:05
  Wow, I didn't know that. So, 40 50, I've got a 70 year
• 30:08
  old wound and you know, they need a stabilizer on meds.
• 30:12
  They need to stabilize with the substance use condition.
• 30:16
  You guys may be single and so good.
• 30:19
  Um, and so, you know, these are these are people that are
• 30:24
  They've been through lots of treatments or hospitalizations
• 30:26
  or they've, they've fallen off of of maybe, a medication has
• 30:31
  been working, or they've stopped taking one because they were
• 30:34
  making me feel weird and all the sudden they're symptomatic and
• 30:37
  they, you know, they're they've gotten really the brain at 40.
• 30:41
  Looks different than the brain at 20 and 15, you know what I
• 30:43
  mean? It's a whole new ball game when
• 30:46
  you start doing that and their treatment options are less,
• 30:49
  right? So for a, for a good
• 30:51
  Consultants, going to be able to know what their And width is and
• 30:56
  stay with their wheelhouse. If you came to himself, if you
• 30:58
  came to me with somebody regardless of their age and they
• 31:01
  were, you know, they were on the Spectrum.
• 31:04
  Mhm. You know ast2 Pretty, severe
• 31:09
  symptoms and Condition. It's not my son, my wheelhouse.
• 31:12
  I know some people who really specialize and autism spectrum
• 31:15
  disorder and I'm like, hey man, can you guys you got to get room
• 31:19
  for a client because this is not my wheelhouse and being able to
• 31:22
  say that and refer out and go to people that, you know that, you
• 31:25
  know, we've got, you know, skills in the area where they
• 31:27
  need to be in order to serve that client, and pass off
• 31:30
  clients, and have a network of people that you can pass glanced
• 31:33
  off to, that's another reflection of a good consultant.
• 31:36
  It's awesome. So you might not Not know that
• 31:39
  if you're a family, like, you would know, the end of the ins
• 31:41
  and outs of my practice. But like being able to refer out
• 31:45
  and no know what your real house is is important 100%.
• 31:48
  Yeah. And I mean, it's just ethical,
• 31:50
  it's ethical and that's what we need to do and and obviously not
• 31:56
  everybody does do that, unfortunately.
• 31:57
  But I think that it's important that, you know, families know
• 32:01
  that like there's this internal Network really of people like
• 32:04
  yourself who all work together and and and are very welcome.
• 32:08
  Didn't know what each other Specialties are and all that.
• 32:11
  So I really do feel like, you know, families, if you do need
• 32:14
  resources like this, please reach out to, you know, Todd
• 32:18
  and, you know, just asking for resources or just bend is here,
• 32:22
  you know, because we all are constantly taking these phone
• 32:25
  calls and just trying to kind of help navigate families to the
• 32:28
  best resources. And a lot of times, it's not us
• 32:30
  and and, you know, that's what we do, is get them to the right
• 32:34
  place, right? First phone calls free, ya fug,
• 32:37
  as long as you need, That's right.
• 32:39
  That's right. Don't use the Google consultant.
• 32:42
  Exactly exactly. So you know will end the episode
• 32:46
  but today in wanted to just say thank you to Todd so much for
• 32:50
  coming in today, you guys, please visit our website at
• 32:54
  www.findingking.com where you'll see all of our episodes up
• 32:58
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• 33:01
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• 33:04
  the website as well and thank you all for joining us today.
• 33:08
  Today, thank you so much for having me, be.
• 33:10
  Yeah, man, thank you. Thanks, guys.
• 33:12
  Thank you.