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The Week That Was - 25th November 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and what
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Speaker 1: a busy week it's been, from changes in Parliament with
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Speaker 1: mandatory sentencing and well all sorts of things like the
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Speaker 1: anti discrimination legislation, well to the Territory Rights Bill and
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Speaker 1: some people maybe not supporting it that we may have
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Speaker 1: thought of.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot to discuss this morning.
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Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio is the Deputy Opposition
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Speaker 1: Leader Jared Maylee.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to.
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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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Speaker 1: And the Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Madison, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you both in the studio and just
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Speaker 1: the three of us this morning, but I anticipate there's
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Speaker 1: still going to be lots and lots of talking.
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Speaker 2: There has been so much happened this week.
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Speaker 1: It's been a massive week and I do want to
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Speaker 1: kick off with the Northern Territory Police of course surging
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Speaker 1: forty additional police officers into Alice Springs to support the
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Speaker 1: local police to address the crime and anti social behavior
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Speaker 1: in the town now. The move followed the latest incident
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday night, which saw two stolen motor vehicles driving
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Speaker 1: dangerously around the CBD. The Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker came
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Speaker 1: out to make the announcement and confirm one of the
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Speaker 1: stolen vehicles attempted to ram a police vehicle which was
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Speaker 1: forced to take evasive action to avoid collision. Now this
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Speaker 1: is the third incident of this type involving stolen vehicles
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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs in the past fortnite.
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Speaker 2: We also know there was another one in Catherine.
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Speaker 1: That terrible situation in Catherine of course where we I
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Speaker 1: mean that vision was just unbelievable seeing Yeah, horrendous stuff.
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Speaker 1: So forty officers surged into Alice. Man, why didn't this
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Speaker 1: happen sooner?
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Speaker 4: Well, firstly, I just want to say the behavior is
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Speaker 4: completely horrendous, terrible, disgraceful. Vehicles are weapons. When people go
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Speaker 4: and steal a vehicle and drive them like that or
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Speaker 4: target police, that is just the most disgraceful act we
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Speaker 4: have seen for some time in places like the Kimberley
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Speaker 4: and North Queensland. This very alarming trend of some motor
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Speaker 4: vehicle theft and people putting it on social media.
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Speaker 5: But the police have had a good look at it.
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Speaker 4: You've seen the Commissioner come out and do media this
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Speaker 4: week and they have operationally decided to send the extra
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Speaker 4: resources into Alice Springs or fully support that operational decision
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Speaker 4: to make sure that the community has more confidence, particularly
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Speaker 4: going into summer, which we know is the busier time
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Speaker 4: of the year down there.
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Speaker 5: But you know, how dare these people do this?
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Speaker 4: How dare they target our police, our community with these vehicles?
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Speaker 5: It is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 6: I know they are good words to come out of
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Speaker 6: your mouth there, but you really didn't answer the question
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Speaker 6: why has it taken six years for this to happen?
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Speaker 6: You know, crime right across the chair if you're out
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Speaker 6: of control, and this is just another example of how
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Speaker 6: bad it's getting because these criminals seem to think there
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Speaker 6: are no consequences. They go out, they can steal a car.
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Speaker 6: They put themselves at danger, they put general public at danger,
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Speaker 6: they put the police at changer and police do a
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Speaker 6: great job. And it's taken six years for this to happen.
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Speaker 6: Crime figures have gone through the roof. There's all sorts
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Speaker 6: of crime right across the territory. And I know there's
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Speaker 6: going to be forty police I'm going into our springs,
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Speaker 6: But my question is where are they coming from? What's
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Speaker 6: going to be left within the vacuum where these police
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Speaker 6: come from and are what about we will already know
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Speaker 6: that there's lots of remote stations which are struggling for numbers.
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Speaker 6: Are any remote station going to have to be short
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Speaker 6: staffed closed down?
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Speaker 3: To find these forty police officers.
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Speaker 6: Just really concerning because it might be robbing Peter to
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Speaker 6: say Paul and fixing our springs if they if they
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Speaker 6: can do that, but what about the rest of the
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Speaker 6: territory and what about the citizens right across the territories.
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Speaker 6: I'm really concerned about it.
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Speaker 4: I think you've got to have faith in our management
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Speaker 4: of place. The police make operational decisions every day about
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Speaker 4: where their resources go. It is not unusual for operations
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Speaker 4: to be stood up when they need to go out there.
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Speaker 4: We've had police that have been stood up in Water
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Speaker 4: in significant numbers to deal with some of the community
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Speaker 4: unrest there. It is not unusual from time to time
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Speaker 4: to see operations that come into place and please make
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Speaker 4: the best decisions about where those resources go.
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Speaker 5: So again, this isn't. This isn't.
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Speaker 1: The Police Association has been out and they've said we
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Speaker 1: support the Commissioner's decision to send forty additional officers to
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Speaker 1: our springs to support our southern members to deal with
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Speaker 1: spiraling crime, including offenders deliberately targeting police. But this situation
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Speaker 1: is a direct result of poor policy from the files
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Speaker 1: Labor government. They're the words of the Northern Territory Police Association.
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Speaker 5: I think that's a bit harsh.
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Speaker 4: We have strengthened motive vehicle off for stealing, for stealing and.
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Speaker 1: The thing is at the moment is there is a
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Speaker 1: real sense within the community that there is lawlessness. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when you've got youth driving cars at police, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Know what other way you'd describe it.
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Speaker 1: Because it's absolutely shocking and it's almost getting to the
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Speaker 1: point where it's normalized for us in the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 1: where it's happened four times across two and a halfway.
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Speaker 4: We should never accept motor vehicle theft and that behavior
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Speaker 4: is being normal and this is why police are taking
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Speaker 4: some very swift action. That's why they're sending down a
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Speaker 4: very strong operation to deal with this because it is
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Speaker 4: completely unacceptable. You know, over time we've deployed more tools for.
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Speaker 5: Police like tire spikes, tied deflation devices and so forth.
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Speaker 5: We've got Strikeforce Viper.
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Speaker 4: Down in Elie Springs, who do a great job targeting
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Speaker 4: property offenses and motor vehicle thefts, so there are more
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Speaker 4: resources that go into it.
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Speaker 5: But you know, the message is.
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Speaker 4: Very clear that if you go and you steal a
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Speaker 4: motor vehicle and you do the wrong thing, police will
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Speaker 4: catch you and you will face consequences.
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Speaker 1: And that's where I think people are feeling quite let down,
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Speaker 1: is they do feel as though the police are doing
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Speaker 1: their jobs. They do feel as though the police are
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Speaker 1: catching people when they break the law, But then what's
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Speaker 1: happening after that point?
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Speaker 2: And that's where we're at, I.
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Speaker 1: Think as a community right now, where a lot of
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Speaker 1: people are feeling as though the repercussions or the you know,
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Speaker 1: the aftermath isn't making any impact to try to deter
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Speaker 1: people from engage in that kind of behavior.
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Speaker 5: There consequences there.
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Speaker 4: Kids can go to incarceration, where people can go to jail,
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Speaker 4: people can be directed to have to do behavior change programs,
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Speaker 4: those types of things, people have to do youth diversion
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Speaker 4: some of these kids. So there are consequences, Katie, But
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Speaker 4: I think getting down these extra resources into Alice Springs
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Speaker 4: to show these people that want to go and break
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Speaker 4: the law and do the wrong things and maclear message
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Speaker 4: that that behavior is not on.
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you where do you think things are
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Speaker 1: breaking down at the moment as a community? Like even
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Speaker 1: this morning there's been vision shared on the Mango Enquirer
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Speaker 1: of an elderly couple inside their home. Now we've got
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Speaker 1: a pressure release from the Northern Territory Police about this
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Speaker 1: yesterday where there's a couple inside their home at nine
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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning in Marara. Somebody breaks into that
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Speaker 1: home with a knife and from the vision that I've seen,
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Speaker 1: the elderly man is sitting in that chair. He's not
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Speaker 1: able to get up. He's trying to defend himself while
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Speaker 1: he's sitting in that chair. And this person who's broken
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Speaker 1: in has absolutely no respect for him as a human,
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Speaker 1: no respect for his age, no respect whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: It's like, it's heartbreaking to it's the lowest of the law.
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Speaker 2: But where do.
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Speaker 1: You think we are breaking down as a community right now?
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Speaker 1: Where unfortunately stuff like that. I wish I was exaggerating,
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Speaker 1: but it's happening all the bloody time.
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Speaker 4: And I just say, like, those are the things you
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Speaker 4: see is a direct result of poverty of alcohol abuse
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Speaker 4: and that type of crime is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: How we going to have an elderly direct result of
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Speaker 3: the Labour's failed.
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Speaker 6: You could labor labor of the government, the butt stop
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Speaker 6: through the government leaders.
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Speaker 5: It's the most speaking of the market opportunity to speak.
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Speaker 6: Let me finish, and ultimately the labor government have had
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Speaker 6: the leavers the last six years. The policy has failed.
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Speaker 6: The government seemed to set it and forget it. It'll
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Speaker 6: be right, and then just try and say, oh, it's
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Speaker 6: an operational problem. Well it's not, because it's affecting territorians
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Speaker 6: and I've seen that footage that you spoke about, and
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Speaker 6: it's just I'm unbelievable that someone at nine thirty in
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Speaker 6: the morning will attack someone with a knife in their
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Speaker 6: own home. And it's just the buckstop of the government.
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Speaker 6: Something has to happen. Someone's going to get killed or
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Speaker 6: someone's going to get hurt, and people are scared, and
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Speaker 6: I'm about it to affects everything because then tourists aren't going
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Speaker 6: to come here, business aren't going to come here, people
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Speaker 6: are going to leave. We know, economies in the world
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Speaker 6: to hurt because this government's overspent and Mack credit card.
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Speaker 1: I think, like I get we all understand that we
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Speaker 1: have got poverty in the Northern Territory. We all understand
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Speaker 1: that we've got some pretty serious issues, long term issues,
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Speaker 1: but right now, like what what are we doing to
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Speaker 1: ensure that territorians are safe? Because the government has got
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Speaker 1: a duty of care and you've now got the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory Police saying that you know, even the fact that
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Speaker 1: there's forty additional police that have to go to our springs,
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Speaker 1: that it is a situation that it's a direct result
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Speaker 1: of poor polar see from the files labor government. That's
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Speaker 1: not me saying that, that's our Police association.
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Speaker 4: And what I will say is that we have got
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Speaker 4: more police than we have ever had.
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Speaker 5: We have been resourcing the police.
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Speaker 2: The annual report.
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Speaker 1: Annual thirty five, it says in this in this release
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Speaker 1: that the Police Association sent out that we've got thirty
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Speaker 1: five less officers compared with the previous financial gain.
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Speaker 4: The advice I've had from police is that when you
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Speaker 4: look at the recruit scores and the continual recruitment that
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Speaker 4: we've got, and you've got to remember that we're sitting
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Speaker 4: in November now that we have police.
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Speaker 3: There, but we've got from the police.
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Speaker 1: So this was something that was such a point of
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Speaker 1: contention when the Giles government was in power.
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Speaker 4: And I know that labor to talk about's number well
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Speaker 4: was around.
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Speaker 3: Please talk about police numbers, right, the Police Association.
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Speaker 5: That's what we were one hundred million dollars more into.
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Speaker 4: The policy recruitment commitments we've.
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Speaker 1: But the issue here is, I mean I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: numbers in black and white that are from the annual report.
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Speaker 1: So it shows that we've got thirty five less officers
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Speaker 1: compared to the previous financial year.
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Speaker 4: And they have been recruiting, and the advice I've had
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Speaker 4: is above attrition, and we have got plenty of people
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Speaker 4: going through the recruit squads as well at the moment.
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Speaker 4: So I can only go off the latest advice I've
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Speaker 4: got sitting here going into almost December, Katie, versus what
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Speaker 4: you had back there in June.
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Speaker 3: So mat are you saying annual reports wrong?
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Speaker 4: No, I'm saying those numbers would be correct from the
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Speaker 4: annual report. But I'm saying we've almost had six months
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Speaker 4: go by and most people come into the.
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Speaker 3: Job, So what are the numbers. Who's a thirty five less.
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Speaker 1: You accept in terms of though the experience as well?
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Speaker 1: Are you worried about the experience that's being.
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Speaker 5: Lost they have got.
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Speaker 4: There are many good experienced officers in the police force,
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Speaker 4: and there is a turn through police forces. We've seen
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Speaker 4: that around the nation. It's not just the Northern Territory
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Speaker 4: police as well. And policing is a really difficult, tough career.
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Speaker 4: You know, my hat goes off to them every day
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Speaker 4: they show up to work because they don't know what
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Speaker 4: they're going to deal with every day.
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Speaker 3: They go to We both know that we both come
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Speaker 3: from police them and so there is going.
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Speaker 5: To be a churn.
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Speaker 4: But we have seen a trend around nationwide where we
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Speaker 4: have seen more more turnover emplaies.
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Speaker 1: I do want to touch on that because I know
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Speaker 1: that you do both come from police families and I
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Speaker 1: know that you both have you know, you do care
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Speaker 1: a lot about the morale within the Northern Territory Police force.
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Speaker 1: I think that that's something that we can all agree
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Speaker 1: on in this studio. But you know, do you both
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Speaker 1: accept that morale at the moment for the police is
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Speaker 1: it is tracking lot, it is low and I know
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Speaker 1: that it's.
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Speaker 3: Tough going again again.
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Speaker 6: You can look at the police survey and I don't
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Speaker 6: have the figures all the top of here, but morale
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Speaker 6: was as lowest has ever been. I think that survey says,
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Speaker 6: see that this is a survey from police association represents
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Speaker 6: nine to nine percent of police officers, so you'd have
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Speaker 6: to say that their results are correct. And ultimately you
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Speaker 6: can't really dispute that they're the association represents police. Have
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Speaker 6: gone to their members and they've released these figures. So
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Speaker 6: it just goes to show that morale is, like I
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Speaker 6: think the resources will low, something it needs to be done.
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Speaker 6: The annual report says there's thirty five left police officers. Ultimately,
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Speaker 6: the buck stops are labor government.
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Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to be as political as Jared here,
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Speaker 4: but to say that there has been a really challenging.
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Speaker 5: Time over the last few years.
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Speaker 4: And I've said it before on this show, but don't
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Speaker 4: underestimate the impact of the EU and DEMU event and
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Speaker 4: what that's done. I can't comment on a coronial, but
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Speaker 4: I think there's been some very public reporting of the people,
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Speaker 4: the witnesses that have been going up to give evidence,
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Speaker 4: and it goes to show that it was a very
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Speaker 4: complex event. There will be a very long, thorough coronial,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think I just think, Katie, it's all
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Speaker 4: there to see right now, just the impact that that
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Speaker 4: one really tragic day has had on many people across
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Speaker 4: the police force, many people in ewen Demou and across
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Speaker 4: the Northern territory. And we've still got a lot of
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Speaker 4: work to do there to work through that. But I
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Speaker 4: just think anybody's following media coverage now and what's going
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Speaker 4: on in the coronial process will meet their own judgments.
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a really short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was in the studio with
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Speaker 1: me this morning. We have got the Deputy Chief Minister
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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison and the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Maylee. I
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Speaker 1: did just get a message from our mate Jerry Wood
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Speaker 1: and he said you need an independent with a bell.
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Speaker 1: Guess who's got one?
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Speaker 3: Jerry?
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Speaker 6: We love.
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Speaker 1: Oh Jerry, We do miss your mate. And well let's
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Speaker 1: move along to a federal issue. But it is one
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Speaker 1: which is going to impact absolutely every territory and that
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Speaker 1: is the territory right spill. We know that there has
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Speaker 1: been some movement on this throughout the week and unfortunately
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Speaker 1: the Senator for the Northern Territory. Just Center Price voting
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Speaker 1: against this change, which I know has.
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Speaker 2: Riled up a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: The former Senator for the Northern Territory, Sam McMahon. She
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Speaker 1: says the opposition to the territory making its own laws
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Speaker 1: by the COLP Senator Just Enterprise is an outrageous act
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Speaker 1: of treachery.
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Speaker 2: She's called it. She well.
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Speaker 1: She says that Miss Price on Thursday voted against the
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Speaker 1: territory the right to make its own own laws around
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Speaker 1: voluntary assisted dying. And she said this is nothing more
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Speaker 1: than an act of outright treachery from a self centered
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Speaker 1: person who does not have and never will have the
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Speaker 1: interests of territorians at heart. Now, I am going to
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Speaker 1: be speaking to Just Enterprise after ten o'clock this morning,
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Speaker 1: so i'll get her take on things.
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Speaker 5: Well, Katie, can you do me a favor? Can you
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Speaker 5: ask JR.
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Speaker 4: Center why have you failed to do the primary thing
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Speaker 4: you're responsible for in your job as the Senator of
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, which is to stand up for territorians
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Speaker 4: to represent them. And fundamentally, this bill it's not about
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Speaker 4: wantrey assisted dying. It's about making sure that Territorians have
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Speaker 4: equal rights to the rest of Australia to have their
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Speaker 4: say on what happens. To know that their government can
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Speaker 4: go out and listen and legislate, make laws, put them
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Speaker 4: in place, and if the people don't like it, guess what.
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Speaker 5: They can kick them out or they can keep supporting them.
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Speaker 4: As opposed to somebody in Canberra from a southern jurisdiction
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Speaker 4: who does not represent us, coming in over the top
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Speaker 4: and telling.
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Speaker 5: Us what to do. This is about making sure we've
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Speaker 5: got equal footing.
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Speaker 4: And for the life of me, I cannot understand while
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Speaker 4: Justiner Price will take the paycheck and the glory of
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Speaker 4: being the Senator of the Northern Territory and say that
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Speaker 4: she does not stand for Territorians being equal with the
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Speaker 4: rest of Australia. It is a bloody disgrace. She should
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Speaker 4: hang her head in shame. She should not be in
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Speaker 4: the Senate for us if she does not think that
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Speaker 4: Territorians deserve to be equally and fairly represented.
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Speaker 1: Jared, does her view represent the view of the CLP?
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Speaker 1: Do you guys support the territory having its own rights here?
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Speaker 6: Look, we absolutely support the charity having its own rights
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Speaker 6: and that was a conscious vote and you seem to
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Speaker 6: convote whatever she likes and that's democracy and how it works.
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Speaker 6: But I can say clearly that in Northern Teritory, the
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Speaker 6: Sealpeace position is that we support that bill. We support
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Speaker 6: the to be equal right across Australia. We're no different
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Speaker 6: to southern states. We need to be able to make
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Speaker 6: laws just like man I said, and I agree with
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Speaker 6: you matter about that that we are up here, we
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Speaker 6: can make laws to the territory and if the territorians
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Speaker 6: don't like it, they can vote out the government made
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Speaker 6: it all they can support them. But the Sealpace position
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Speaker 6: is that we support the rights because this is not
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Speaker 6: about euthanasia. This is about the rights of territory and
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Speaker 6: is having the same rights as everyone across Australia.
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Speaker 3: And ultimately, you know, we know that there's just seemed
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Speaker 3: to have done that.
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Speaker 6: But like Luke Gosling was out at the protest for
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Speaker 6: the anti discrimination we know that the Labor Ministers of
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Speaker 6: a brawling in the back streets of Parliament. So this
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Speaker 6: is democracy at work, you know, This is we're allowed
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Speaker 6: to do that. She has her view as a conscious
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Speaker 6: vote and as a matter for her, but the CLP
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Speaker 6: view is that we support that bill.
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Speaker 4: I would be fascinated to see, you know, the CLP,
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Speaker 4: the Territory Party. I would be absolutely fascinated to see
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Speaker 4: what some of the people your party members are thinking
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Speaker 4: about this and their choice of pre.
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Speaker 5: Selection right now.
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Speaker 4: If that is what Just Enterprise is doing on the
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Speaker 4: CLP ticket in the Parliament, Like it is absolutely shocking
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Speaker 4: that a Territory Senator would go out and vote against
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Speaker 4: territory rights.
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Speaker 5: I'm still just completely dumbfounded by this.
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Speaker 2: I know you said it's.
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Speaker 1: A conscience foight, and I get that, But shouldn't the
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Speaker 1: views of the people that you represent come into play
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Speaker 1: here as well? Like, shouldn't it be a matter of
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Speaker 1: you know, I know that that even you know, when
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Speaker 1: I've spoken to Luke Gosling and even melandeerr McCarthy about this,
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Speaker 1: both of them have you know, have their reservations, I
17:50
Speaker 1: guess for want of a better word, and their own
17:53
Speaker 1: maybe personal views about this legislation and concerns about this legislation.
17:58
Speaker 1: But shouldn't it come town to the rights of Territorians
18:02
Speaker 1: and what Territorians want and what those in the electric
18:05
Speaker 1: that you represent want.
18:07
Speaker 6: I think you're right, and I haven't seen her exact
18:10
Speaker 6: words of her speech because we're in Parliament yesterday of
18:12
Speaker 6: having our opportunity. But I think she was talking about,
18:15
Speaker 6: you know, protecting the rights to the most vulnerable and
18:17
Speaker 6: that's her choice and she can do that, and she
18:18
Speaker 6: speaks to a lot of people and we know that
18:20
Speaker 6: that she goes out bush a lot. But ultimately all
18:23
Speaker 6: Territorians deserve the same right. This is democracy and we
18:26
Speaker 6: support that all Territorians we're living, no matter where you
18:29
Speaker 6: live in Alice Springs, townt Creek, Catherine dal and have
18:31
Speaker 6: the rights like anyone else in Australia. For the government
18:33
Speaker 6: off the day, the government law of the territory government
18:35
Speaker 6: at this state, that's the Labor government. Maybe in twenty
18:37
Speaker 6: four it's going to be a COELP government to listen
18:39
Speaker 6: to the community, go and make laws that represent the community.
18:42
Speaker 6: And then if the if those laws are wrong, which
18:44
Speaker 6: maybe the Manito centencing laws are going to be wrong,
18:46
Speaker 6: the Labor government will be voted out to the SELP
18:49
Speaker 6: or they'll support them laws in a laborable state. But
18:51
Speaker 6: it's up to Territorians to make that decision because this
18:53
Speaker 6: is democracy and that's how it should work.
18:55
Speaker 4: But can I say we're already on the back foot
18:57
Speaker 4: in this country when it comes to the Northern Territory,
18:59
Speaker 4: when it comes to our Senate and representation, I am
19:03
Speaker 4: just always blown away by the fact that we get
19:05
Speaker 4: two senators and those people down in Tasmania.
19:08
Speaker 1: How many senators are They got bigger representation and the
19:13
Speaker 1: ACA they've got literally double the population.
19:16
Speaker 4: Of us, and they have such a huge voice in
19:18
Speaker 4: the Australian Parliament and the Senate versus what the territory does.
19:21
Speaker 4: We are on the back foot already, and just anything
19:25
Speaker 4: that we can do to give us more of an equal,
19:27
Speaker 4: fair voice in this country we need to be pursuing
19:29
Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory. And you know again I just
19:32
Speaker 4: go you wonder why the Parliament could be so interesting
19:34
Speaker 4: in Canberra when little old Tasmania gets how many bloody senators?
19:38
Speaker 2: Jared, are you disappointed that the senator voted that way?
19:41
Speaker 3: Well, it was a conscious vote. That's a view.
19:43
Speaker 6: We're going to speak to it, and I know you're
19:44
Speaker 6: going to speak to her. Any asked that question, so
19:46
Speaker 6: it'll be interesting what yes to say. I haven't had
19:47
Speaker 6: an opportunity to speak to her personally about I know
19:49
Speaker 6: Lea our leader has but ultimately this is about territory rights.
19:53
Speaker 6: A CELP up here in Darlain support that. The wing
19:57
Speaker 6: led by Leaf and Loco support that, and we're about
20:00
Speaker 6: therapy rites.
20:00
Speaker 1: All right, Well take a really quick break when we
20:02
Speaker 1: come back. I am keen to cover off all of
20:04
Speaker 1: the different issues and all of the different legislation that
20:07
Speaker 1: has passed through Parliament this week in the studio with
20:10
Speaker 1: me the Deputy Chief Minister of Cole Madison and the
20:12
Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley. It is, of course the
20:16
Speaker 1: week that was, and it's always an interesting week that
20:18
Speaker 1: was when Parliament has sat and i'll tell you what,
20:21
Speaker 1: you mob were pretty round he throughout the week on
20:23
Speaker 1: lots of different issues.
20:24
Speaker 4: It's it's been a long big sittings and we've got
20:27
Speaker 4: another long big sittings next week to cada.
20:30
Speaker 2: You certainly do.
20:31
Speaker 1: And well one of the issues that really got people
20:34
Speaker 1: fired up early in the week was the changes to
20:36
Speaker 1: the anti discrimination legislation. And we know that there was
20:41
Speaker 1: quite a bit of division over these new laws. They
20:43
Speaker 1: did pass through by the Territory government on Tuesday night.
20:47
Speaker 1: It followed quite a lengthy debate and subsequent passing of
20:51
Speaker 1: that bill. There were indeed lobby groups, experts and individuals
20:56
Speaker 1: who were quite outspoken on this topic, and we spoken
21:00
Speaker 1: to the bishop on two occasions about the concerns that
21:05
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church Diocese of the Northern Territory had. We'd
21:09
Speaker 1: also spoken to the Christian schools about their concerns.
21:13
Speaker 2: And look, I know that by and large the.
21:17
Speaker 1: Majority of that bill people were really quite happy with
21:20
Speaker 1: and thought this is a really good document, really needed changes,
21:25
Speaker 1: but there were a few things that people were very
21:28
Speaker 1: concerned about. One of those was, indeed the removal of
21:32
Speaker 1: section thirty seven A.
21:33
Speaker 6: So that there were three things in that bill. So
21:35
Speaker 6: I agree in the cop view is that we support
21:37
Speaker 6: a majority of that view. But the three things we
21:39
Speaker 6: didn't was the representative complaint, where someone can make a
21:42
Speaker 6: complaint on behalf of a person without their consent, without
21:45
Speaker 6: their knowledge. Also the insertion of the offense clauses, which
21:49
Speaker 6: we say is really broad, and also the removal of
21:52
Speaker 6: section thirty seven A. And ultimately we think that that
21:55
Speaker 6: is really beyond the reach of the government. The government
21:58
Speaker 6: hadn't listened to these groups whole swag of people out there,
22:01
Speaker 6: the independent schools and Christian and faith based organizations who
22:05
Speaker 6: want to run their schools in their particular way, and
22:07
Speaker 6: removing Section thirty seven A allows them now to open
22:10
Speaker 6: this SEF up to discrimination. So, and what we're worried
22:12
Speaker 6: about is there's to be groups down south or individuals
22:14
Speaker 6: watching this ready to go and they will try and
22:17
Speaker 6: upset the apple cart and come in and bring these
22:19
Speaker 6: organizations to the Commission and often to the court, and
22:22
Speaker 6: ultimately maybe they need to get struck out. We don't know,
22:24
Speaker 6: but the punishment will be in the process these schools
22:27
Speaker 6: in organizations and faith based instead of we know that
22:30
Speaker 6: they're small and they're some of them are very limited funds.
22:34
Speaker 6: They now going to have to engage solicitors, They're going
22:36
Speaker 6: to have to go through the legal process, and there's
22:38
Speaker 6: going to be a lot of stress. And like I've
22:39
Speaker 6: been a lawyer for a while and I know that
22:41
Speaker 6: the stress of going to a court, even though you say, look,
22:43
Speaker 6: you think you're going to win this, but going through
22:46
Speaker 6: that process is a tough process, is an expensive process
22:49
Speaker 6: and will take time, and it just seems to be
22:51
Speaker 6: to be a waste win. Ultimately, it's really simple to
22:54
Speaker 6: fix the leave it in there, and like there's a
22:56
Speaker 6: one word sexuality they could take out, and I think
22:58
Speaker 6: most of those organizations said we can live with that.
23:00
Speaker 6: And that's where that was in the exposure draft, is
23:03
Speaker 6: that one word was missing, and then when the actual
23:05
Speaker 6: bill came out, the whole clause was missing.
23:07
Speaker 3: So it really caught a.
23:08
Speaker 6: Lot of people off by surprise in relation to that.
23:10
Speaker 6: So it was an easy fix. And yet this government
23:13
Speaker 6: seems to not listen to all these territories. And you know,
23:17
Speaker 6: I went to the protests they had or not the process,
23:19
Speaker 6: the march of these groups, and I spoke to the
23:21
Speaker 6: people there and I said, look, we don't normally come
23:23
Speaker 6: to these ornation We're like a piece. We're happy, we're friendly,
23:25
Speaker 6: but we're really concerned and this is going to affect
23:28
Speaker 6: our right to run religion and how it's going to
23:31
Speaker 6: affect our whole school, because ultimately the whole school is
23:35
Speaker 6: about faith. It's not just a teacher, it's a janitor,
23:37
Speaker 6: the cleaner and all those people. And I know that
23:40
Speaker 6: the government youths in the section thirty five is you know,
23:42
Speaker 6: they can have a genuine education. And this is where
23:45
Speaker 6: the change Generald got confused. He talked about requirement. It's
23:48
Speaker 6: there's qualification. So there's a big difference between those two words.
23:52
Speaker 1: And I know that there is obviously a review that's
23:54
Speaker 1: taking place at the moment. The Australian Law Reform Commission
23:58
Speaker 1: is undertaking a review on a federal and I think
24:00
Speaker 1: that was the question that a lot of people were wondering,
24:02
Speaker 1: is why not wait until that is complete before you
24:06
Speaker 1: make the changes in the territory.
24:07
Speaker 4: Man I, because they've been working on this for a
24:09
Speaker 4: long time, and the first thing I just want to
24:11
Speaker 4: say is that this is about creating a fairer place
24:14
Speaker 4: for everyone in the Northern Territory and our anti discrimination
24:18
Speaker 4: unless religious, can I please answer thingding, This is about
24:27
Speaker 4: making it a fairer place for everyone.
24:29
Speaker 5: We've been working on this for some time.
24:31
Speaker 4: There had been multiple consultations going and the thing I
24:34
Speaker 4: want to assure people about is that this does not
24:37
Speaker 4: stop religious freedom or people practicing their religion, or people
24:42
Speaker 4: being able to choose to send their child to a
24:45
Speaker 4: religious school and they should be expecting that they're going
24:47
Speaker 4: to get a good religious education as part of that.
24:50
Speaker 5: This does not stop that whatsoever.
24:53
Speaker 4: There has been a hell of a lot of scare
24:54
Speaker 4: mungering out there, and the thing I want to ensure
24:57
Speaker 4: people is that there is still free speech, is religious freedom.
25:01
Speaker 4: You can get assurances that your child, if you choose
25:04
Speaker 4: to send them to a religious school, is going to
25:05
Speaker 4: get a great education with a wholesome religious, faith based
25:10
Speaker 4: education there to it as well.
25:12
Speaker 5: So I just think, you know, it's been.
25:14
Speaker 4: Completely blown out of proportion, and what this is about
25:18
Speaker 4: is making it a fair I think it was a
25:19
Speaker 4: bit of a goal though, because if it's been blown
25:22
Speaker 4: out of proportion, why didn't the Attorney General re meet
25:25
Speaker 4: with the bishop before he came on radio or before
25:28
Speaker 4: he raised an additional consign.
25:32
Speaker 3: Protests about rule. It's a big thing and a lot
25:35
Speaker 3: of meeting concerned about it.
25:36
Speaker 5: There were several meetings, absolutely, several.
25:38
Speaker 1: Meeting exclusion of thirty seven after.
25:41
Speaker 3: This a different.
25:45
Speaker 2: There were.
25:46
Speaker 3: We took public pressure to get those meetings.
25:48
Speaker 4: There were no it didn't We've got a really good
25:50
Speaker 4: Attorney General of wonderful Chief Minister. They deeply respect those
25:54
Speaker 4: views and they did have a lot of meetings.
25:57
Speaker 5: Katie, Let's be really frank here.
26:00
Speaker 4: Any discrimination acts are never without controversy, aren't without people,
26:06
Speaker 4: you know, being concerned about what they might lose as
26:09
Speaker 4: part of it. But I want to assure people again,
26:11
Speaker 4: this was about making sure that all those voices were
26:15
Speaker 4: heard and that we have a fairer territory for everyone.
26:18
Speaker 5: But this does not attack religious freedoms or free speech.
26:20
Speaker 1: Well, man, I will call you if I end up
26:23
Speaker 1: getting hauled to the antidiscrimination Commissioners if I say something.
26:27
Speaker 3: To remember, not just you.
26:30
Speaker 6: If you have someone ringing or someone does a like
26:33
Speaker 6: now vice is something that offends me somewhere.
26:35
Speaker 5: Could go to the mangering raft.
26:36
Speaker 3: I gage that's the truth.
26:39
Speaker 6: There's a case about it where mister Bolt got in
26:42
Speaker 6: in the new kaper because I paid his article.
26:44
Speaker 1: Well, look, it's not the only piece of legislation that
26:47
Speaker 1: was debated throughout the week and and changes made. We
26:51
Speaker 1: also know I'm just trying to find it. But we
26:53
Speaker 1: also know that there's changes when it comes to mandatory sentencing.
26:57
Speaker 1: So a major shakeup of mandatory sentencing law could see
27:01
Speaker 1: Territorians rehabilitated rather than incarcerated for some crimes. Now, I
27:06
Speaker 1: think there's a bit of confusion at the moment in
27:08
Speaker 1: terms of what crimes it's going to be, but some
27:11
Speaker 1: reports that it will remove mandatory sentencing for assault drug offenses,
27:16
Speaker 1: breaches of domestic violence orders and introduce enforced behavior change
27:21
Speaker 1: programs and community work. I know there's going to be
27:24
Speaker 1: people that are pretty worried about this, given what's going
27:27
Speaker 1: on around the place right now.
27:29
Speaker 4: Okay, So what this is about is having a smarter
27:34
Speaker 4: justice system, about being able to give our judges more
27:38
Speaker 4: tools when it comes to sentencing and dealing with particularly
27:42
Speaker 4: domestic violence offenders. Because if you can tell me what
27:45
Speaker 4: we're doing in the space of domestic violence in the
27:48
Speaker 4: Northern Territory is getting the results we all want to see,
27:51
Speaker 4: i'd say you're mad.
27:52
Speaker 5: And what we've got at the moment.
27:54
Speaker 4: Is that we've got a justice system that has very
27:57
Speaker 4: limited options for those of what they can sentence people to.
28:02
Speaker 4: So this is about making sure that for some DV
28:05
Speaker 4: offenders they're going to go to jail, some DFE offenders
28:09
Speaker 4: they're going to have some orders that include behavior change programs,
28:13
Speaker 4: with some going to work, and of course there's electronic monitoring.
28:19
Speaker 4: There will be divestic violence orders to keep them away
28:23
Speaker 4: from people, those types of things. But this is putting
28:26
Speaker 4: more tools in the toolbox to be able to rehabilitate
28:30
Speaker 4: these offenders. Katie, because at the moment we get frustrated,
28:34
Speaker 4: we go right, that's it. We want to see these
28:35
Speaker 4: people in jail, and they are mandatory sentencing around that,
28:39
Speaker 4: and the problem is is that that is not getting
28:41
Speaker 4: the behavior change.
28:42
Speaker 5: We want to see.
28:42
Speaker 1: What I want to say is I want to see
28:44
Speaker 1: people safe. I want to see the community safe. So
28:47
Speaker 1: for me, if it means that the victim is then
28:50
Speaker 1: going to be safe and going to be okay, I go, well.
28:54
Speaker 2: Fair enough.
28:55
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is in terms of
28:57
Speaker 1: whether people should go to jail or whether they should
28:59
Speaker 1: be doing programs, but what I do know is at
29:02
Speaker 1: the moment, the community doesn't feel safe, and so I'm
29:06
Speaker 1: wondering whether the steps that the government are taking are
29:09
Speaker 1: actually going to get us to where the community wants
29:11
Speaker 1: to be.
29:12
Speaker 5: This is about building us safer community.
29:14
Speaker 4: This is about making sure that when we deal with
29:18
Speaker 4: these offenders that have done the wrong thing, that they
29:22
Speaker 4: will feel and face the consequences. But we've actually got
29:25
Speaker 4: more tools to stop them reoffending here.
29:28
Speaker 5: That's what this is about.
29:29
Speaker 6: But it's about also the message that the labor government
29:32
Speaker 6: is sending. We know that our crime rates are going
29:33
Speaker 6: through the roof, and you know, I've cited lots of
29:36
Speaker 6: crime throughout and there's examples every day in the paper
29:39
Speaker 6: and the media. But what messages is sending these criminals
29:41
Speaker 6: who go, well, I know that I do an offense,
29:44
Speaker 6: and now the government are changing the laws, making the
29:46
Speaker 6: managery set thing going away. So the message is going
29:50
Speaker 6: to be that's less consequences for them. And I don't
29:51
Speaker 6: know how it's going to work inside the people out there,
29:54
Speaker 6: the victims of crime here feel neglected because the labor
29:56
Speaker 6: government is sending a message that crime you can do
29:59
Speaker 6: in the constant a day and absolutely mandatory sentencing is
30:03
Speaker 6: a message to people. If you do the wrong thing,
30:05
Speaker 6: you're going to take a consequence. People, And these courses
30:07
Speaker 6: that you're talking about is about they're not in place
30:10
Speaker 6: working and yet you're going to change the legislation. What
30:13
Speaker 6: about your thinking when we leave that the management sentencing,
30:16
Speaker 6: get these programs up and running, evalue to make sure
30:19
Speaker 6: they're working, and then think about changing law to let
30:22
Speaker 6: make sure that people know that there's a consequence. Right now,
30:24
Speaker 6: the message is do what you want, criminals, no problems.
30:26
Speaker 5: No garbage, rubbish, total garbage.
30:29
Speaker 7: That's just again, that's just fear, money, it's true message
30:33
Speaker 7: that people are still sending out because you're changing the law,
30:35
Speaker 7: having a better system, a smarter system that actually works
30:39
Speaker 7: around how do you how do you rehabilitate these offenders,
30:43
Speaker 7: how do you stop them from becoming prolific domestic violence perpetrators,
30:47
Speaker 7: How to actually target that behavior, how do you make
30:49
Speaker 7: people more accountable?
30:50
Speaker 5: How to protect those.
30:53
Speaker 2: In place?
30:53
Speaker 4: Now you have got domestic violence programs in place, but
30:56
Speaker 4: what we're doing is we're going to be putting more
30:58
Speaker 4: in place, Katie.
30:59
Speaker 5: So it's about how being.
31:00
Speaker 4: More of those tools there to really target rehabilitation and reoffending.
31:05
Speaker 1: And one point I do want to touch on is
31:06
Speaker 1: the jail is overflowing, Like I'd heard a report I
31:09
Speaker 1: believe it was on the ABC this morning where there's
31:12
Speaker 1: way more prisoners than what there are beds at the moment.
31:15
Speaker 1: We also know that our correctional services officers are out
31:18
Speaker 1: there saying we like I know that it's it's been
31:21
Speaker 1: part of the pay negotiations where it's sort of been
31:24
Speaker 1: dragged into their being more pay. But from the correctional
31:28
Speaker 1: services offices that I've spoken to, it's actually more about
31:31
Speaker 1: making sure that they've got correct working conditions and I
31:36
Speaker 1: am quite sure at the moment that that area of
31:40
Speaker 1: the jail that got burnt well, however long ago it was.
31:45
Speaker 2: Is it operational yet, man.
31:46
Speaker 5: I is it still out of action? I don't know, Katie.
31:49
Speaker 5: I'd have to get back to you on that.
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been told that it's still out of action.
31:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few years ago now thirty million dollar fame.
31:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will double check, in double check.
31:58
Speaker 4: That don't have the answer for you, mate, But what
32:01
Speaker 4: I'll say is that our corrections officers do a great job.
32:04
Speaker 5: They do work hard. They are very hard.
32:08
Speaker 4: Working people that deal with some pretty complex individuals that
32:11
Speaker 4: are incarcerated. So I thank them for the work that
32:13
Speaker 4: they do. We have got pay negotiations underway. But part
32:17
Speaker 4: of that as well is that we have been doing
32:20
Speaker 4: some pretty substantial work about looking at how our prisons
32:23
Speaker 4: operate and how we can better support those corrections officers.
32:25
Speaker 5: On the front line too.
32:27
Speaker 4: We have pretty you know, corrections officers of people that
32:29
Speaker 4: we do have some pretty frank discussions with, and particularly
32:33
Speaker 4: through their union, United Workers Union. They are very well
32:36
Speaker 4: organized and we'll keep doing that because we are a
32:39
Speaker 4: labor government and we do talk to the workers and
32:41
Speaker 4: we do talk to the unions.
32:42
Speaker 1: Well, just on that issue of pace and just speaking
32:44
Speaker 1: about the budget.
32:45
Speaker 2: I guess as well.
32:47
Speaker 1: Over the last couple of weeks we'd had a number
32:49
Speaker 1: of listeners get in contact with us wanting to get
32:51
Speaker 1: some further info about those electronic signs that were popping
32:54
Speaker 1: up around the Northern Territory. I'm sure you've probably seen
32:56
Speaker 1: them around the place, and we had confirmation through the
32:59
Speaker 1: w from the Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Logistics. A
33:02
Speaker 1: spokesperson told us that those variable message signs being installed
33:07
Speaker 1: across thirty locations around the Northern Territory to enable the
33:11
Speaker 1: efficient management of traffic flows in the event of road crashes,
33:14
Speaker 1: congestion and special events. Now we'd asked how much they cost,
33:19
Speaker 1: so thirty locations. The projects co funded by the Australian
33:23
Speaker 1: and Northern Territory governments. Either way, however, you look at it,
33:27
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty five grand per site, So that's
33:31
Speaker 1: more than eleven million, five hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
33:35
Speaker 1: I mean, you think to yourself, I know you've said
33:37
Speaker 1: there it's a different bucket of money federal government, but eleven.
33:41
Speaker 2: And a half million dollars how far can I go?
33:43
Speaker 3: Can I start on this? What a waste of money?
33:46
Speaker 3: Simple as that. You know, we are in a world
33:48
Speaker 3: of hurt.
33:49
Speaker 6: We've got protesting out their protesters about the pay and
33:53
Speaker 6: yet we're going to spend eleven million dollars on these
33:55
Speaker 6: signs that that's not putting in installing it.
33:58
Speaker 3: What about the maintenance and upkeep.
33:59
Speaker 5: I've seen it's got solar but I want to.
34:01
Speaker 3: Destruct by lightning.
34:03
Speaker 8: Okay, now we're getting on these signs keeping up and
34:09
Speaker 8: running and what to say? You know I live and
34:11
Speaker 8: how it springs. It takes me twenty five minutes to
34:13
Speaker 8: get to town. And you know, if you lived in
34:15
Speaker 8: the southern state, that would be like a quick trip.
34:17
Speaker 8: And you're going to I'm going to read these signs
34:18
Speaker 8: saying I'm five minutes delay.
34:20
Speaker 3: What a waste of time. You can just look at it,
34:22
Speaker 3: look down the road.
34:24
Speaker 2: The money to.
34:27
Speaker 6: Spend the money on the party, spend the money out
34:29
Speaker 6: there in territories, on the health system, on our police,
34:33
Speaker 6: on our education system. That's where the money needs. We've
34:35
Speaker 6: got all these concerns about the health system out of control.
34:38
Speaker 6: We've had nine code yellows, and yet we're going to
34:40
Speaker 6: spend eleven million dollars on signs wide a waste of money.
34:43
Speaker 5: So clearly this is a federally funded program.
34:47
Speaker 4: There is a contribution of about twenty percent of that
34:49
Speaker 4: by the Northern Territory government. And you know this, this
34:53
Speaker 4: would be about trying to get a contemporary traffic network
34:57
Speaker 4: there to get information out to people.
34:58
Speaker 1: If you could spend that eleven million on anything, Mano
35:01
Speaker 1: for the Northern Territory, what would you spend it on?
35:04
Speaker 4: There are always be that I'd love to see, Katie,
35:08
Speaker 4: but in this it's about making sure we have a
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Speaker 4: modern roads network.
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Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a really short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
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Speaker 1: six eiti is the week.
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Speaker 2: That was and if you've just joined us, a smaller.
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Speaker 1: Crowd than usual, just the three of us, Nicole Madison
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Speaker 1: and Jered Malian here, but has not stopped us from
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Speaker 1: speaking about lots of a lot of different issues issues
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Speaker 1: assume we are and I tell you what. There was
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Speaker 1: the Eykak Inspector's Report, which did get tabled in Parliament
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Speaker 1: this week as well, and secret recordings of private conversations
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Speaker 1: by anti corruption investigators were entirely inappropriate and a breach
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Speaker 1: of trust is what the Inspector of the Northern Territory's
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Speaker 1: Integrity Body has said, but has been unable to determine
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Speaker 1: whether the law was broken or not.
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Speaker 2: So we know that earlier.
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Speaker 1: This year it was revealed that staff within the office
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Speaker 1: of the IKAK had conducted bugging operations well on seven
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Speaker 1: people who had no idea that they were being monitored.
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Speaker 2: Now we now know a couple of them.
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Speaker 1: One of them was indeed Gary Higgins, the COLP former
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Speaker 1: CLP opposition leader, who wasn't under investigation. We also know
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Speaker 1: that a well known business woman was one of the
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Speaker 1: others who had been invited by the IKAK to an
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Speaker 1: informal chat at a cafe and was remotely monitored without
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Speaker 1: her knowledge. Now, I've got to say, I think that
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Speaker 1: most people would be utterly surprised to hear that there's
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Speaker 1: been secret bugging going on by the IKAK, the very
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Speaker 1: body designed to well to stamp out YEP correctness behave.
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Speaker 4: So I just think what we need to just remember
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Speaker 4: here is that this was under the previous SPYKAK commissioners leadership,
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Speaker 4: and I understand the staff involved.
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Speaker 5: And these have now no longer with the i CAAC.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, the ikak's about everybody else sticking to the
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Speaker 4: rules and making sure that they do the right thing.
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Speaker 5: So it doesn't help that this has come out.
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Speaker 4: But what I will say is that our new IKAK commissioner,
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Speaker 4: under his leadership, it's been very clear that he is
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Speaker 4: setting a very different path.
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Speaker 2: So look, I certainly agree with that.
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Speaker 1: I know that I've had to I made a complaint
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Speaker 1: to the IKAK about my name being included in a
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Speaker 1: report which was you know, which was published a while
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Speaker 1: back now to you know, to which I had no
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Speaker 1: opportunity to respond or anything like that or to be
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Speaker 1: able to point out that it was wrong, and I
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Speaker 1: had nothing. I can have nothing but good things to
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Speaker 1: say about the current KA commissioner and the response.
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Speaker 5: But I will say I was that's it's very surprised.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is the thing you remember, this high
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Speaker 6: CAAK is our taste essentially, will agree with that, and
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Speaker 6: it was certainly the old commissioner and a new commissioner
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Speaker 6: is doing seems to be a good job. But idly
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Speaker 6: remember the Labor government put a view and a Greg Jhenahan,
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Speaker 6: I think he did his report over a year ago
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Speaker 6: and yet we haven't heard what the recommendations were. There's
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Speaker 6: been no review, there's been no action on those recommendations.
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Speaker 6: So I think it's really time here that this labor
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Speaker 6: government come clean and say, Okay, what are we doing
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Speaker 6: about it? We know that there's been a review, what
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Speaker 6: were the recommendations? Are they going to implement those recommendations?
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Speaker 6: Are we going to make sure that the IKA can't
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Speaker 6: be disgraced again? Because I can see you can start
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, disgraces a word in relation to
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Speaker 6: what they've done. Can remember there's still five people out
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Speaker 6: there who we don't know who have been recorded. We
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Speaker 6: don't know the circumstances around that. So nimately, if there
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Speaker 6: was a crime and the inspector says he can't because
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Speaker 6: and look at it because he doesn't have the power,
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Speaker 6: So is this government going to actually look at that
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Speaker 6: and see that it has been a crime being submitted?
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Speaker 6: So what I was I think the i QA Commission
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Speaker 6: says on a prime of facy case there is which
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Speaker 6: in a quarter of law that would be enough to
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Speaker 6: start proceeding.
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Speaker 4: So what I will say is that we were the
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Speaker 4: government actually bought an IQQ into place. It is something
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Speaker 4: that we did bring into place. It is the first
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Speaker 4: time that an i CAAC has happened. And yes, we
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Speaker 4: have seen a pretty tumultuous first few years there and
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Speaker 4: there has been work done and a review and that
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Speaker 4: is something that we are still considering and of course
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Speaker 4: working with the KA.
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Speaker 1: Obviously the Labor government brought that ICQ into place. But
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Speaker 1: does the government now have serious questions to answer about
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Speaker 1: the appointment of the former commissioner.
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Speaker 4: All I will say is that it was a very rigorous,
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Speaker 4: rigorous process, extremely rigorous process. So again another rigorous process
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Speaker 4: to appoint the new KA commissioner. It was a very
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Speaker 4: interesting period of time that we have just seen. And
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Speaker 4: certainly I think we've got a very highly experienced performer
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Speaker 4: in mister Richards. He has been previously with the South
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Speaker 4: Australian ik for a very long period of time. So
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Speaker 4: I think we've got a very the IKAK that people
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Speaker 4: expect in place.
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Speaker 6: Now, can you give us an update, what's going to
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Speaker 6: happen with the review? How long that's been a year,
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Speaker 6: what's going on? Are they going to what's happening.
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Speaker 5: It's still under consideration.
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Speaker 4: But I think we all appreciate that this was the
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Speaker 4: first time we had an ikak icak that a labor
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Speaker 4: government set up because the COLP government wouldn't and that
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Speaker 4: it does need some amendments because it was new, and
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Speaker 4: that's something that we're looking at.
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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to have to wrap up
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Speaker 1: for the morning. It's been an incredibly busy morning. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate both of your time this morning. Jered Mayley, the
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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, thank you listeners.
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Speaker 1: And Nicole Madison, the Deputy Chief Minister, thanks so much
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Speaker 1: for your time today.
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Speaker 5: Thank you Katie.
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Speaker 4: And can I just do just a bit of a
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Speaker 4: shout out On the weekend, the Buddhist Center and lean
40:36
Speaker 4: You are having their International Food Fair between four to
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Speaker 4: seven pm on Parkside Crescent and Leanna. This is where
40:43
Speaker 4: all the members of their community come together.
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Speaker 5: They cook some beautiful food. So all the.
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Speaker 4: Money you spend there you'll not only get a beautiful
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Speaker 4: home cooked meal, you're also supporting the running of the
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Speaker 4: Buddhist Center and Leanya.
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Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you both so much for your time this morning,
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Speaker 1: and no doubt we'll catch up with you again.
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Speaker 2: Very so