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Ep. 1028: Foundations - All Deer Trails Lead to Somewhere · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. Today's episode
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  Speaker 2: is all about spring scouting and what you should be
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  Speaker 2: doing while you're turkey hunting, and the truth about what
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  Speaker 2: you can learn about deer right now. I know this
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  Speaker 2: is a hard time to think about deer, but even
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  Speaker 2: if you're in full blown turkey mode, you can learn
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  Speaker 2: or think a two about fall bucks. I got a
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  Speaker 2: reminder of this last week while I was roaming around
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  Speaker 2: Nebraska with all the makings of a turkey bowhunt. I
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  Speaker 2: got ever so close to arrowing several public land birds,
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  Speaker 2: but I just couldn't make it happen. But what I
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  Speaker 2: did make happen, or at least what I did find,
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  Speaker 2: is some deer sign that really got my wheels turning
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  Speaker 2: in a major way. You know that same kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing can happen to you right now, and you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to drive five hundred miles and live out of
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  Speaker 2: a tent for six days to do it. So listen
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  Speaker 2: up because I'm going to tell you how right now.
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  Speaker 2: But before that, let me ask you find folks a
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  Speaker 2: favor so I can tell my boss I did my
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  Speaker 2: part and he can leave me alone. We've launched a
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  Speaker 2: new wire to hunt Instagram feed and we need you
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  Speaker 2: to follow it. That's it, nothing more. If you go
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  Speaker 2: there and you follow us, then I can stop asking
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  Speaker 2: you to do that and we can all move on
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  Speaker 2: with our lives. But you'll also get some reminders on
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  Speaker 2: that feed, not only what I'm doing with this podcast
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  Speaker 2: and you know some of my hunting videos, but also
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  Speaker 2: what Mark and Jake are up to. And just so
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  Speaker 2: you know, I hate asking this of you, but because
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  Speaker 2: of that, I want to thank all of you in
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  Speaker 2: advance if you go and do this, and if not,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay. I almost didn't go turkey hunting in Nebraska
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  Speaker 2: last week. I had just gotten off two weeks on
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  Speaker 2: the road and wasn't feeling a quick turn trip to
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  Speaker 2: the Cornhusker state. But my schedule later this turkey season
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  Speaker 2: isn't great for a drive down there either, so I
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  Speaker 2: just decided to go to an old standby spot with
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  Speaker 2: good camping options and usually some decent bird numbers. So
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  Speaker 2: I got my ass up at four am, pointed my
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  Speaker 2: truck down into the left, and for seven hours kept
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  Speaker 2: driving and kept my eyes peeled for strutters. And boy
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  Speaker 2: did I see plenty of them, which is always a
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  Speaker 2: confidence booster when you're heading out on a public land
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  Speaker 2: turkey bowhunt. Now, when I got to camp, it looked
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  Speaker 2: like I was the only person there, which was an
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  Speaker 2: even bigger confidence booster. The nearby property I planned to
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  Speaker 2: hunt is one that I have a long history with.
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  Speaker 2: I killed my first spring bird with a bow on
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  Speaker 2: that property a long time ago during a hunt with
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  Speaker 2: a buddy where he somehow unstrung his bow on a
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  Speaker 2: seater when we packed in, which meant he couldn't shoot,
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  Speaker 2: but I could, and the loaner Jake I called into
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  Speaker 2: the spread twenty minutes after we set up, was plenty
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  Speaker 2: of turkey for me. He launched me on a course
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  Speaker 2: toward bow hunting a lot more turkeys, and I'm forever
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  Speaker 2: grateful for him. But even before that, that same buddy
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  Speaker 2: and I had hunted turkeys and deer on that ground
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  Speaker 2: I arrowed one of my first public land bucks there,
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  Speaker 2: a deer that also came into a decoy, which was
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  Speaker 2: just really cool. My biggest bucks, a pall made a
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  Speaker 2: ten pointer that went just shy at one sixty died
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  Speaker 2: on that property during a rut hunt that may have
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  Speaker 2: been one of the coolest hunts I've ever experienced. Another time,
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  Speaker 2: I hunted there during the rut when it was bonkers hot,
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  Speaker 2: and managed to hang and bang my way into a
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  Speaker 2: non typical ten pointer who showed up one afternoon a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes after I settled into a new spot,
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  Speaker 2: and I could tell you I was pretty happy to
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  Speaker 2: see him walking down the trail, and even happier to
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  Speaker 2: find him piled up one hundred yards away. The last
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  Speaker 2: time I hunted that property, my buddy and I slipped
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  Speaker 2: in between two storm systems, one of which was set
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  Speaker 2: to show up forty eight hours after we got there
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  Speaker 2: and forecasted to shut down roads by dumping a whole
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  Speaker 2: lot of April snow on the area. We weren't in
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  Speaker 2: a position to get trapped in camp for days, so
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  Speaker 2: we knew the clock was ticking, and I managed to
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  Speaker 2: call in a tom after sitting from sunrise until six
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  Speaker 2: in the evening without so much as a sighting or
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  Speaker 2: a gobble within a half a mile. And while he
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  Speaker 2: didn't die right away without a fight, he did end
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  Speaker 2: up in my game bag, and better yet, the following morning,
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  Speaker 2: I arrowed his twin, which was a public land and
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  Speaker 2: double in the span of a day and a half
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  Speaker 2: and more than I needed to be really happy. It
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  Speaker 2: only got better when I was butchering my birds in
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  Speaker 2: camp and I looked up to see my buddy with
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  Speaker 2: two jakes slung over his shoulders, which represented his first
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  Speaker 2: and second ever bow hills on turkeys. It also meant
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  Speaker 2: we were fully tagged out and good to get out
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  Speaker 2: of camp before the storm came in, which ended up
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  Speaker 2: delivering on all the promises it was supposed to. It
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  Speaker 2: was a gnarly one, so I have an affinity for
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  Speaker 2: that spot, like a lot of spots strung out across
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  Speaker 2: the Midwest, but I don't go back there very often
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  Speaker 2: because I also have just a slightly bigger affinity toward
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  Speaker 2: figuring out new spots. Just learning the whole thing and
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  Speaker 2: figuring the whole thing out is what I like most
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  Speaker 2: about hunting, and once I sort of feel like I
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  Speaker 2: have things dialed, my wanderlust kicks in, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: time to move on. The kicker there is that having
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  Speaker 2: things dialed on a piece of public land is a
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  Speaker 2: fleeting deal. It can be far more consistent on private land.
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  Speaker 2: But even then, having things dialed is sort of like
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  Speaker 2: being happy is truly a moving target. I thought about
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  Speaker 2: that as I I hiked into a few spots and
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  Speaker 2: walked past trees I've arrowed deer from in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and I looked at fence cross things I've watched deer
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  Speaker 2: jump and all that jazz. But it was one flock
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  Speaker 2: of turkeys that I played whack a mole with unsuccessfully
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  Speaker 2: that it brought me to a spot I had forgotten
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  Speaker 2: about on the property. As I listened to what sounded
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  Speaker 2: like about six or eight gobblers and a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of hens fly down and then feet away. One morning,
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  Speaker 2: I pulled up my ONEX to try to figure out
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  Speaker 2: not only where exactly they had all roosted, but where
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  Speaker 2: exactly they were all headed. The thirty thousand foot view
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  Speaker 2: of the land via satellite imagery showed me a long,
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  Speaker 2: skinny meadow that hugged the base of a bluff and
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  Speaker 2: kind of framed up a woodlot I hadn't set foot
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  Speaker 2: in in a long time, maybe over a decade. So
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  Speaker 2: at noon one day I decided to pack up my
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  Speaker 2: blinds and my decoys crossed a smallish river on a
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  Speaker 2: downed cottonwood that was pretty sketchy in the daylight, but
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  Speaker 2: really sketchy in the dark when I came back the
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  Speaker 2: next couple days and I went in there to try
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  Speaker 2: to find a spot to be in closer proximity to
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  Speaker 2: that flock. But the meadow I found while e scouting
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a meta. It was a cattail sleugh, which is
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  Speaker 2: about as out of place on a property like that
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  Speaker 2: as you could get. I mean, you have to consider
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  Speaker 2: that I could walk up the hill from that cattail
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  Speaker 2: slough and be in cactus pretty quickly. Once I saw
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  Speaker 2: those cattails, my dull memory turned over, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: that not only was there a slew there, but it
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  Speaker 2: had always struck me as kind of a big buck
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  Speaker 2: spot that I had never hunted. And as I walked
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  Speaker 2: the edge and I looked at the trails crossing the
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  Speaker 2: water to get to the wood lot, I realized that
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  Speaker 2: it was a big buck spot because well, duh. Most
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  Speaker 2: folks aren't going to wade to get to deer, let
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  Speaker 2: alone hike to the back corner of a property when
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  Speaker 2: there are good looking spots much closer to the parking area.
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  Speaker 2: The trails were clear as day, and they all got
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  Speaker 2: swallowed up by the cedars that book ended the woodlot.
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  Speaker 2: It's a perfect scenario not only for a buck to
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  Speaker 2: get to a good spot to bed that is very
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  Speaker 2: difficult to approach, but also to stage and to lay
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  Speaker 2: down some sign and of course, when the weather cools
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  Speaker 2: enough and the trigger treaters are out, the cruise around
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  Speaker 2: looking for a fight or a girlfriend. What does this
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  Speaker 2: discovery mean, or I guess rediscovery mean for my future
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  Speaker 2: to yourself, I don't really know yet. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: try to go to Nebraska to arrow a public land
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  Speaker 2: buck in Velvet this year, so maybe that spot will
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  Speaker 2: play into my plans, but I don't think so. I
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  Speaker 2: have other options with more limited water to work with
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  Speaker 2: on a hunt like that. But the discovery of those
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  Speaker 2: well worn trails leading into a little sanctuary that has
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  Speaker 2: a moat around it, like a literal moat, It's got
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  Speaker 2: my wheels turning. Maybe in two seasons I'll go down
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  Speaker 2: there for a rut hunt and try to work the
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  Speaker 2: edges of that spot before diving right in. Or maybe
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  Speaker 2: I won't, But the whole thing was a really good
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  Speaker 2: reminder that our work as white tailors has never quite finished,
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  Speaker 2: and that even if your sole focus right now is
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  Speaker 2: to shoot a gobler in the face, you can still
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  Speaker 2: pick up a thing or two deer wise. This is
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  Speaker 2: simple on a few fronts, but the most obvious is
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  Speaker 2: that if you're running and gunning for turkeys right now,
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  Speaker 2: you probably aren't all that concern with stepping foot in
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  Speaker 2: the primo betting ground on your deer lease. After all,
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  Speaker 2: who cares if you bump a buck out in April
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  Speaker 2: or May, or maybe you get on a long beard
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  Speaker 2: that likes to strut on a ridgetop. You rarely hunt
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  Speaker 2: because the wind is never quite right, or you just
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  Speaker 2: feel like you have better options. But when you go
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  Speaker 2: up there to try to secure a fresh round of
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  Speaker 2: turkey nuggets for the kiddos, you realize that there are
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  Speaker 2: several last seasons rubs along a well worn side hill trail.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the kind of trail that no one including you,
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  Speaker 2: ever hunts, because you can just sit at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the ridge or down in the valley below. The
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  Speaker 2: best year hunter's out there, the ones who can go
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  Speaker 2: anywhere and get it done regardless of hunting pressure. They're
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  Speaker 2: just students of the game. Now, that's not some cliche
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  Speaker 2: thing to say that means nothing. It means a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: They aren't as obsessive as you'd think in that sort
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  Speaker 2: of single minded focus way, even though some of them
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  Speaker 2: present that image on social media because it's good for business.
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  Speaker 2: They are students in that they are always paying attention
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  Speaker 2: some to what the deer tell them, And what the
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  Speaker 2: deer tell us this time of year is the story
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  Speaker 2: of their daily lives and the story of where they
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  Speaker 2: feel most comfortable living out there in the woods in
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  Speaker 2: which they call home. Now, that's big picture stuff that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really do you much good, though. Instead, what they
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  Speaker 2: also tell us, often just by the trails that are
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  Speaker 2: etched into the dirt from enough hoofs traveling along them,
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  Speaker 2: is where they prefer to walk, not only in April,
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  Speaker 2: but also in November. All deer trails lead to somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: and you might not find a time when the trails
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  Speaker 2: are more obvious than they are now. But the window
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  Speaker 2: is closing as the whole world greens up, And for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Southern hunters it might already be closed,
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  Speaker 2: but for a lot of us it isn't. And what's
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  Speaker 2: better than that is the fact that you might not
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  Speaker 2: have a single time of year where you're more willing
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  Speaker 2: to cover ground without a real plan than you do
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  Speaker 2: if you load up a shotgun and you know, throw
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  Speaker 2: on a turkey vest and head out for a day
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  Speaker 2: of roaming and chasing gob It's the perfect combination to
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  Speaker 2: learn something about the deer and to think about what
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  Speaker 2: the deer trails on your ground actually do represent, where
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  Speaker 2: do they lead to, and why would the deer use them.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty safe to say a well worn trail as
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  Speaker 2: a physical, real world representation of a route. Deer use
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  Speaker 2: a lot. That's obvious, But ask yourself why. Most hunters
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  Speaker 2: look at a trailer and they think about how it's
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  Speaker 2: a good spot to set up twenty yards down went from,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't ask themselves why it's there and why
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  Speaker 2: enough deer would use it to make it obvious. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's as simple as a means to go from thick
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  Speaker 2: cover of food and vice versa. Nothing wrong with that,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes in the case of the cattail trails I
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  Speaker 2: found in Nebraska, it's a clue to an area where
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  Speaker 2: the bucks have a real terrain advantage. Understanding these types
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  Speaker 2: of spots and how to use them is like ninety
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  Speaker 2: two percent of the battle if you want to be
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  Speaker 2: in the game all season long, no matter where you
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  Speaker 2: hunt or what kind of ground you have access to.
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  Speaker 2: This can be nullified some on really good private ground,
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  Speaker 2: especially with a food plutter or two. But for anyone
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  Speaker 2: who is trying to learn deer and is also dealing
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  Speaker 2: with some hunting pressure, it's a chance for you to
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  Speaker 2: peel back one of the layers and have the bucks
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  Speaker 2: show you what they like. And that's not nothing, my friends.
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  Speaker 2: What this is really is like taking the stairs when
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  Speaker 2: you could use the elevator on any given day, that
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  Speaker 2: might burn like three or four more calories than the
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  Speaker 2: easier choice, but if you do it every day or
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  Speaker 2: five days a week, it becomes something over time. It's
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  Speaker 2: like giving up drinking soda, or doing one extra set
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  Speaker 2: at the gym during each visit, or you know, one
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  Speaker 2: time of day not doom scrolling the second boredom hits
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  Speaker 2: and instead finding a task to do that requires your hands.
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  Speaker 2: In your mind, hunters want something that just quickly and
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  Speaker 2: easily fixes the problem of not killing big Bucks. But
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  Speaker 2: that thing doesn't exist. I've talked about it a million times,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll talk about it a million more, because if
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  Speaker 2: you want to find that product or that strategy, no
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  Speaker 2: scratch that, if you believe that product or strategy exists,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to stop looking for it and throwing
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  Speaker 2: money at it. You won't find it, but that belief
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  Speaker 2: will carry you along on a current that carries most
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  Speaker 2: of the hunting population, and you'll all head straight for
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  Speaker 2: that cartoon waterfall. All right, that's too dramatic, But what
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  Speaker 2: it does is keep you from looking at hunting like
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  Speaker 2: it will get easier through the cumulative experiences of being
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  Speaker 2: in the woods year round and trying to take in
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  Speaker 2: the lessons that Bucks can teach us. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to put it any other way, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to make hunting any easier for any of
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  Speaker 2: us without that being a real component of it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the good news is that you don't have to go
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  Speaker 2: out and do any real extra work to start gleaning
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  Speaker 2: the benefits from it. You know, just like using the
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  Speaker 2: stairs when everyone else is using the elevator while going
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  Speaker 2: to work. You're going to go to work anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: why not make a small, slightly better choice. You're probably
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  Speaker 2: going to go turkey hunting this spring, if you haven't already.
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  Speaker 2: That's a time to be in the woods and learn something.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you sit in a blind for all
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  Speaker 2: your hunting, you're probably gonna see some deer, and you
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  Speaker 2: also have to walk in and you have to walk out,
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  Speaker 2: and both of those times probably won't happen in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you plan to go catch some I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: trout on a nice little stream that winds its way
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  Speaker 2: through the bluffs, and when you do, you find a
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  Speaker 2: crossing or two that teaches you something about how deer
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  Speaker 2: get from one bank to the other. I can't tell
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  Speaker 2: you how many times trout fishing has taught me something
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  Speaker 2: about bucks and has actually helped me kill bucks. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I get it. That's a regionally specific example.
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  Speaker 2: Last year I spent time in Arkansas, a far cry
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  Speaker 2: from a lot of my usual deer in turkey hunting
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  Speaker 2: and fishing haunts, and what I saw in that floodplain
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  Speaker 2: heavy region of the South was that the deer were
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  Speaker 2: using the slightest elevation they could to get from point
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  Speaker 2: A to B without getting too wet, and that they
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  Speaker 2: were definitely okay waiting from spot to spot too, probably
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  Speaker 2: because they just have to. I also saw a hell
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of trucks with john boats parked on
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  Speaker 2: random gravel roads that bordered areas with muddy backwater lay
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  Speaker 2: full of large mouth and panfish and probably catfish. Most
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  Speaker 2: of those good old boys and girls fishing in those
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  Speaker 2: areas are probably also deer hunters, and a day spent
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  Speaker 2: tossing spinner baits in the down timber. Now it might
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  Speaker 2: not look anything like a deer scouting mission, but that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean there isn't some deer scouting that can be done.
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing about this stuff, and I think
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  Speaker 2: my takeaway lesson is this we often don't look at
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  Speaker 2: the world around us with any level of real curiosity,
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  Speaker 2: and in the case of deer, that's a huge mistake.
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  Speaker 2: This is only easier to do when our focus is
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  Speaker 2: on long beards, or maybe morale mushrooms, or maybe catching
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  Speaker 2: a limit of crappies for a little fish fry. But
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  Speaker 2: we are capable of doing both. You just have to
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  Speaker 2: remind yourself that there's value in looking around when you're
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  Speaker 2: out there, and when you do see a well worn
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  Speaker 2: deer path that you've never paid attention to, ask yourself
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  Speaker 2: where it leads to, Because even if you aren't able
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  Speaker 2: to definitively answer it, merely asking the question and engaging
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  Speaker 2: your mind for an answer is a good thing. It's
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  Speaker 2: a good exercise to do. So don't forget that as
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  Speaker 2: you all get lost and all these spring activities that
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  Speaker 2: are on us, and don't forget to come back next
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  Speaker 2: week as I talk more white tails or maybe a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about turkeys or both, or who knows. That's
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  Speaker 2: it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson and this has
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  Speaker 2: been the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast, which is brought
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  Speaker 2: to you by First Light. As I always, thank you
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