Latest / Barking Mad Podcast / Trends to Watch in 2025, Part 2: Alternative Proteins for Pets
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- 0:20Jordan Tyler: Welcome back to Barking Mad's Top Trends to Watch in 2025, in
- 0:24which we're sharing expert insights and opinions about the most influential
- 0:29trends happening today in the pet nutrition space, and how pet parents
- 0:33can stay informed and engaged as these trends evolve this year and beyond.
- 0:40In today's episode, we're tackling the question of alternative proteins.
- 0:44And boy, are there a lot of questions.
- 0:48As the world's population grows and our food supply chain remains finite,
- 0:52the need to identify alternative sources of key ingredients like protein
- 0:56has become increasingly apparent, both for people and for our pets.
- 1:02Insect protein offers a potential solution here, but Is it
- 1:07destined to fly or fail in the U.
- 1:09S.
- 1:09markets?
- 1:11Cultured proteins like cultivated and fermented meats are another option, but
- 1:15while great strides are being made in these areas as we speak, there is still
- 1:19work to be done in terms of scalability, pricing, and regulatory approval.
- 1:25Plant based proteins offer yet another path forward, but following the DCM
- 1:29debacle, many pet parents have a mistrust, whether misplaced or not, toward plant
- 1:34protein forward diets for their pets.
- 1:37But what about invasive species?
- 1:39These pose a severe problem for waterways in the United States
- 1:43and for biodiversity globally.
- 1:46What about incorporating proteins from those streams into pet food?
- 1:50These are just some of the questions looming over
- 1:52alternative proteins for pets.
- 1:55Over the course of today's episode, we'll go through each of these categories,
- 1:59focusing in particular on barriers for the adoption of insect protein in
- 2:03the American market, As well as the basis of cultured proteins and how a
- 2:08handful of companies are pioneering this technology for use in pet nutrition.
- 2:15Welcome to Barking Mad, a podcast by BSM Partners.
- 2:20I'm your host, Jordan Tyler.
- 2:24If you tuned into yesterday's episode on sustainable ingredient sourcing,
- 2:28you may notice alternative proteins fit quite nicely within that trend.
- 2:33As the quest for alternative proteins really stems from a need for more
- 2:37sustainable pet food ingredients.
- 2:39Along this vein, there are several approaches.
- 2:42But let's talk first about insects as a viable protein source for pets.
- 2:48When I sat down with Alison Rieser, Director of Sustainability and
- 2:52Innovation with the Pet Sustainability Coalition, She was practically
- 2:56buzzing with excitement to talk about this emerging alternative protein.
- 3:01Allison Reser: Partially because I have a cat and, like, very anecdotally,
- 3:05like, she loves to eat insects that she finds, so, like, let's make
- 3:08this a formal part of her diet.
- 3:10There are a lot of companies out there innovating insect protein.
- 3:14With sustainability in mind, so they're collecting some really good life cycle
- 3:18assessment data about it and sharing it.
- 3:21So that is a space I think is going to be really important for
- 3:23Jordan Tyler: PET.
- 3:24However, while insect protein may pose a great opportunity for
- 3:28sustainability and nutrition, the newness of the ingredient causes Dr.
- 3:32Renee Streeter, Board Certified Veterinary Nutritionist,
- 3:37to proceed a little cautiously.
- 3:43Renee Streeter: As a nutritionist, when something new like that comes
- 3:45out, you're like, well, I mean, sure, it looks okay, but what
- 3:50about all the things we don't know?
- 3:51What's going to happen when you feed it for 15 years?
- 3:54I don't know.
- 3:55But I will say, as time has gone on, these, uh, suppliers have done
- 4:01a pretty good job of researching.
- 4:03And there's, Last time I looked, quite a few insect protein studies in dogs
- 4:09and even in cats, and so my cautiousness is being diminished over time.
- 4:14The longer we use these things, the more studies we have.
- 4:17Not that I still don't have questions, I do, but from a
- 4:21nutritional standpoint, I become more excited and from a sustainability
- 4:25standpoint, I become more excited.
- 4:28And so now.
- 4:29It's just a matter of can we win over the hearts of the general
- 4:34public who, again, are maybe not as accustomed to eating bugs.
- 4:41Jordan Tyler: What Dr.
- 4:42Streeter is describing here is the ick factor, or American consumers
- 4:47cultural hesitance to feeding bug derived protein to their beloved pets.
- 4:53The ick factor is certainly another barrier standing in the way of insect
- 4:57protein taking flight in the U.
- 4:59S.
- 5:00market.
- 5:01In fact, when we asked BSM Aperture, a powerful predictive tool helping
- 5:06bridge the gap between nascent trends and their real potential in
- 5:09the market, about whether insect protein would fly or fail in the U.
- 5:13S.
- 5:13market, it had some reservations about whether or not this
- 5:18trend would actually succeed.
- 5:19In part, due to bugs being gross in the eyes of American pet parents.
- 5:27However, according to Dr.
- 5:29Blaire Aldridge, Vice President of Nutrition Services at BSM Partners,
- 5:33this doesn't mean we shouldn't still move forward with research.
- 5:37Blaire Aldridge: You hear bug and you're all like, bleh, initially.
- 5:41But then you start looking at the research coming in over time,
- 5:44and that will itself fly or fail.
- 5:47Like it will tell us.
- 5:48Good or bad.
- 5:49And I will say this, there might be a time where it is necessary to pivot
- 5:56because maybe disease comes through and knocks out the United States's poultry
- 6:00population or whatever it might, the soy, it doesn't matter, but we should already
- 6:04have Plans in place for alternative protein sources and have to research
- 6:08there to know if it's okay or not.
- 6:10Whether we love it or hate it, we should be studying it.
- 6:14Jordan Tyler: So time will tell whether insect protein will truly fly
- 6:18or fail in the pet nutrition space.
- 6:20And while we're approaching this trend with a fair amount of skepticism, it's
- 6:25still going to be one to watch in 2025.
- 6:28Let's move now to an exciting trend making waves in the alternative protein space.
- 6:33Cultured proteins, which are created through two types of technology.
- 6:38There's cultivation and then there's precision fermentation.
- 6:42Before we get too in the weeds though, let's go inside the mind of Dr.
- 6:47Bradley Quest, Principal of Veterinary Services at BSM Partners, to understand
- 6:52why exactly these high tech ingredients could change the game for pet nutrition.
- 6:57Bradley Quest: These are primary protein ingredients to use in pet
- 7:00food that really are products of using, in one case, bacteria, in other
- 7:06cases, yeasts, in some cases, using actual animal cell cultures to then
- 7:13propagate and grow, if you will, natural proteins from these organic sources.
- 7:20Now, the methodologies can be different, and in a lot of cases they are.
- 7:24But the really cool thing about it is it meets a lot of what we're
- 7:28looking for in the pet food industry.
- 7:29We're looking for sustainable, and I know that word is used a lot, but most
- 7:34of these really are sustainable in that we're not utilizing a lot of resources, be
- 7:40it natural resources, organic resources.
- 7:43Um, energy resources, in a lot of cases that we use for other protein sources,
- 7:49being animal or plant sources, that takes a lot of agricultural input.
- 7:53Not that those are definitely going away because they're not.
- 7:56They're always going to be front and center, but what this does is it helps
- 7:59take some of the pressure, I think, off of that and makes for really good
- 8:04alternative sources for pet food use.
- 8:07Jordan Tyler: So, let's get into this topic, starting with cultivated meats.
- 8:11Joshua Ehret, founder and chief executive officer of Friends and Family Pet Food,
- 8:16has been playing in this space for several years, and he's on a mission to change pet
- 8:20nutrition for the better, using technology that could revolutionize our food system.
- 8:26Cultivation, also referred to as lab grown meat.
- 8:31Joshua Errett: Historically, it was used to study cancer, how a
- 8:35cancer cell might grow or other cells in the human body might grow.
- 8:40It was only in the 2010s, or the aughts, I guess they call them, that
- 8:46they looked at this and it was like, if you can grow mammalian cells.
- 8:50without a sentient body, then could you do this for the food system?
- 8:55So that's for the genesis of it.
- 8:58And then in, I believe it was 2009, they grew the first hamburger.
- 9:03And then 2013, 14, I think the first patents were issued to
- 9:08Memphis Meats, who are now upside.
- 9:10foods in the space.
- 9:12So from there, it became this idea that we could almost recreate the
- 9:18entire food system on a cellular level, call it cellular agriculture.
- 9:23And, you know, when you talk about cellular agriculture,
- 9:25you're recreating meat.
- 9:27So it's the entire tissue of the animal.
- 9:29So that's fat.
- 9:30muscle, connective tissue, the whole thing, which includes
- 9:33proteins, everything that comes in meat, fatty acids, et cetera.
- 9:37You're cultivating everything in the cell and creating the tissue.
- 9:41And there are types of tissue you can create, just fat or just muscle, but
- 9:45generally when you put it together, You have something akin to meat that most
- 9:50people eat today, including our pets.
- 9:53And as I always say, there's so much more to meat than protein.
- 9:56And if you look at a cat biology and physiology and how it eats and digests.
- 10:02That's perfect evidence of why cats need more than just protein.
- 10:07Jordan Tyler: Okay, so a quick lesson on cultivated protein.
- 10:11Cultivated meat involves extracting muscle cells from a live animal, taken
- 10:16humanely, and then pairing those muscle cells with a quote unquote culture medium.
- 10:22In other words, a nutrient rich substance designed to help
- 10:26those cells grow big and strong.
- 10:29Now, in this controlled environment, the cells multiply and begin forming
- 10:33muscle tissue that is cellularly identical to conventional meat.
- 10:37This, according to Josh, presents a world of opportunity, particularly for our pets.
- 10:45Joshua Errett: Cultivated meat, to me, is The brass ring, the Holy grail, whatever
- 10:49you want to say, uh, pet nutrition, because you can make truly unparalleled
- 10:55nutrition out of cultivated meat.
- 10:58You can tune the amino acid profile.
- 11:00You can tune other nutrients in there as well.
- 11:03And my big vision for cultivated meat.
- 11:05Is to create, uh, food for, uh, you know, a cat or dog that contains
- 11:12everything that the cat or dog needs.
- 11:14So, like, all the palatants, all the, uh, premix vitamins and minerals.
- 11:20can be added and cultivated instead of just thrown in in a sort of powder format
- 11:26at the end of the manufacturing process.
- 11:28Even just standardizing what comes in meat that goes into pet
- 11:32food would be a huge advantage.
- 11:34So all these things put together make me really obsessed about
- 11:38cultivated meat for pets.
- 11:40Jordan Tyler: Now, cultivated meat is one approach to cultured protein
- 11:43or cellular agriculture, whereas another is precision fermentation.
- 11:48This is a technology that's been used for decades to produce enzymes
- 11:52for cheese and yogurt production, in pharmaceutical manufacturing, and a
- 11:57whole host of other commercial uses.
- 12:00Bond Pet Foods has been developing its Precision Fermentation technology
- 12:04for several years, specifically to provide animal free protein
- 12:09ingredients to key partners across the pet food and animal feed industries,
- 12:13including Hills Pet Nutrition, And agribusiness giant Wilbur Ellis.
- 12:19We sat down with Rich Killiman, founder and chief executive officer of Bond
- 12:23Pet Foods, to learn a little bit more about what this technology offers.
- 12:28Rich Kelleman: So we are an older Colorado based company that's working
- 12:32with fermentation to make meat protein, like chicken, turkey, and fish, without
- 12:36the animal, for pet food applications.
- 12:39Our proteins are complete, allowing brands to fully replace their meat meals
- 12:45by products one to one in their recipes.
- 12:48It's lean, it's scalable, so the math makes sense from a unit economics
- 12:53standpoint to include it at high inclusion in their formulations.
- 12:58And I think, just as important, it's wholly more efficient.
- 13:02Sustainable and humane compared with meat and animal ingredients that are
- 13:08available in the pet food supply chain today, we're not creating a new way to
- 13:14make ingredients that could have value in the pet or human food supply chain.
- 13:18We're working with.
- 13:19A technology that's been around for more than half a century to make everything
- 13:23from enzymes for cheese manufacture, to good bacteria for probiotic
- 13:27supplements, to vanilla and a host of other ingredients that we're consuming
- 13:32on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.
- 13:35It's just a creative way to employ that same kind of food process to
- 13:40create a different kind of protein and ingredient that could have
- 13:43value for a different audience.
- 13:46Jordan Tyler: While operations like the one at Bond Pet Foods use sugar
- 13:50fed yeast to develop its fermented proteins, there are other ways to feed
- 13:55a microorganism and encourage it to to grow up into a full fledged protein.
- 14:02For example, Calista, a cellular agriculture company based in Silicon
- 14:06Valley, is using methane to fuel its precision fermentation process.
- 14:12Here's a quick overview from Herman Sloot, vice president of
- 14:16commercial development at Calista.
- 14:19Herman Sloot: So the very specific characteristic of these bacteria is
- 14:23that they use methane or methanol as a substrate instead of sugar.
- 14:29These bacteria are able to metabolize natural gas and use that natural gas as
- 14:36the energy source for the fermentation.
- 14:39And that is completely different than bacteria that grow on sugar.
- 14:44So one of the first things is If you want to do fermentation, you need to have a
- 14:48very good control of your biomass because that determines how the bacteria will grow
- 14:54and how these bacteria can produce then a biomass with a specific protein content.
- 15:00If you don't control your feedstock, you cannot control your fermentation.
- 15:05So you have to make sure that you have a steady supply.
- 15:09In terms of quantity, but also in terms of quality of what you get.
- 15:14So we believe that natural gases do both of that.
- 15:18Jordan Tyler: It's crazy to think that bacteria can eat methane and
- 15:22turn it into something us and our pets can benefit from nutritionally.
- 15:27I was pretty blown away by that, and I think it sort of exemplifies
- 15:31how cool this trend is and the opportunities it offers for the future.
- 15:37Another cool aspect of the cultured protein movement, both cultivated
- 15:41and fermented, is the ability to fine tune your inputs to get
- 15:45specific outputs, as noted by Dr.
- 15:49Renee Strader.
- 15:50Renee Streeter: Some of these cultured meats can be modified so that they're
- 15:55producing certain amino acids, more or less, or even certain types of proteins
- 16:02that are similar to our animal proteins.
- 16:04And so it becomes really customizable, which I think, is
- 16:09probably the wave of the future.
- 16:11We can utilize them maybe a little bit more efficiently
- 16:14to meet our amino acid needs.
- 16:17And also if animals have certain restrictions, we could probably
- 16:22pull back on certain amino acids that may cause issues or make
- 16:27it more likely an issue occurs.
- 16:29Jordan Tyler: So while the idea of growing proteins in a laboratory has
- 16:34a sort of Frankenstein feel to it.
- 16:36It's actually a super exciting innovation for the global food supply.
- 16:40And like Rich Kellerman noted, we've actually been using this technology
- 16:44for a really long time already.
- 16:45We're just using it now in a different way.
- 16:49I'm excited to keep up with Josh, Rich, Herman, and others in this
- 16:52space to see how it evolves.
- 16:54this year and in the future.
- 16:58Now, before we start winding down today, I want to make two quick mentions.
- 17:03As plant based proteins and invasive species are also poised to join the
- 17:08alternative protein conversation for pets.
- 17:11However, while the opportunity lies in wait, what we really need is research
- 17:16to ensure that pets can pick up Truly thrive on a plant only diet, and that
- 17:21the use of invasive species tracks with supporting our pet's nutritional needs.
- 17:27My amazing colleagues have authored quite a few articles on the merits of
- 17:31plant-based nutrition and the use of invasive species, which we will link
- 17:35to the show notes for this episode if you'd like to learn more, but.
- 17:39For now, it's safe to say the alternative protein space is growing and evolving, and
- 17:45we'll be keeping a close eye on each of these categories to keep you up to speed
- 17:49on where we sit and where we're headed.
- 17:53As we close out today's episode, let's hear from Emily Messnier, Vice
- 17:57President of European Operations at BSM Partners, a palatability expert by
- 18:02trade and sustainability guru by choice.
- 18:05When I asked Emily what she thought about alternative proteins for pets, she said
- 18:10she sees more than one avenue as key to addressing the need for more sustainable
- 18:15pet food ingredients and supply chains.
- 18:17This includes upcycling, which we discussed in yesterday's episode,
- 18:22as well as emerging options like insect protein, cultured meats, and
- 18:26Emilie Mesnier: other alternatives.
- 18:28The need for alternative proteins is undeniable, and that translates
- 18:33with significant investments pouring into everything from insect
- 18:38farms, you know, cultured meat facilities, upcycled ingredients.
- 18:43yeast based, algae based, you know, non meat based type of protein, even
- 18:48climate resistant and resilient crops.
- 18:52So this excitement stems from the potential of these proteins to
- 18:55offer a more sustainable and more ethical alternative to traditional
- 19:00intensive animal agriculture.
- 19:02Jordan Tyler: So there you have it, our deep dive into the fascinating
- 19:06world of alternative proteins.
- 19:08From insects buzzing with potential Pun intended.
- 19:12To the sci fi turned reality of cultivated meats and precision fermentation, it's
- 19:17clear that the future of pet nutrition is evolving right before our eyes.
- 19:22Whether you're excited about sustainability benefits of an insect
- 19:25protein, intrigued by the customization possibilities that cultured meat offers,
- 19:31or curious about the potential of methane eating bacteria, Alternative proteins are
- 19:37piquing our interest, and advancements in the stays will certainly be worth watching
- 19:42in 2025 and in the years to follow.
- 19:45But we're not done yet.
- 19:47Tomorrow, we'll release yet another episode exploring our third trend
- 19:51to watch in 2025, and perhaps my personal favorite, biotic ingredients.
- 19:57Be sure to tune in for a fascinating discussion about how these powerful
- 20:01microorganisms could transform pet health from the inside out.
- 20:07Until then, thank you for tuning in to Barking Mad, a podcast by BSM Partners.
- 20:13If you'd like to learn more about us, please visit our
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- 20:35from our Trends 2025 miniseries.
- 20:37As well as future episodes on pet care innovation, sustainability, and other hard
- 20:43hitting topics you won't want to miss.
- 20:46We'd like to thank our dedicated team in support of this episode.
- 20:50Edmiette Thomas, Neely Bowden, Kate Wright, and Dr.
- 20:54Katie Miller.
- 20:55A special thanks to Leanne Haggerty and Michael Johnson.
- 20:59See you next time!