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What does the Israel-Lebanon accord mean? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: and Hillsdale. Welcome to the Hugh Hughitt Sean. This Monday,
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  Speaker 1: it's the beginning of two weeks at I Thanks celebration
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  Speaker 1: across the United States of our two undred and fiftieth birthday.
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  Speaker 1: I want to kick it off with a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of politics. Congresswoman Ashley Hinson joins me. She represents Iowa
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  Speaker 1: and she's going to be there next United States Senator Congresswoman, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: How do you get to spend your Fourth of July
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  Speaker 1: weekend next weekend, given that you're running for Senate?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, the trek through Iowa means a
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  Speaker 2: lot of parades. It's the Fourth of July season, so
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  Speaker 2: I'll be out there handing out some candy, shaking some hands,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully get to see my family a little bit
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  Speaker 2: on the fourth as well. But I am so excited
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  Speaker 2: to be helping celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday
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  Speaker 2: in the greatest country in the world.
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  Speaker 3: We are the best, hands down.
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  Speaker 1: I agree absolutely. Let's do our work, though, Let's make
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  Speaker 1: a make sure that you are introduced to my audience.
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  Speaker 1: The i's on the Salem News Channel, the Salem Radio Network.
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  Speaker 1: You've been my guests before, but not as a Senate.
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  Speaker 1: Can they walk us through how this wonderful person from
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  Speaker 1: Iowa gets misled to go out to LA and go
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  Speaker 1: to usse become a TV anchor in LA and then
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  Speaker 1: get back to Iowa. Because I always gig my USC friends,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: That that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just say fight on because that is my general
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  Speaker 2: attitude in life, Hugh. And I think that is the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that I learned really, really well in Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles as a conservative fighting back against the crazy woke
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  Speaker 2: liberals in LA and even on USC's campus. I was
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  Speaker 2: willing to do that then and I'm willing to do
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  Speaker 2: it now. So I think the most important thing is
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Iowa, born and raised in Iowa. I'm back
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  Speaker 2: representing Iowans in Northeast Iowa right now in Congress, and
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  Speaker 2: I always fight like I'm ten points down in every
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  Speaker 2: race that I've run, because I understand how important it
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  Speaker 2: is to go out and earn every single vote. But
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  Speaker 2: Iowan's expect to you to deliver results, and so what
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  Speaker 2: I am led by every single day is that that deliverable.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure that we are protecting taxpayers,
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  Speaker 2: that places like rural America continue to have a voice
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  Speaker 2: at a seat at the table, and most importantly, as
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  Speaker 2: I put my mom hat on here, making sure we
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  Speaker 2: have a safe and secure country for our children and
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  Speaker 2: the next generation to grow up in. So those will
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  Speaker 2: continue to be my priorities, and I think I have
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  Speaker 2: a record of delivering on those. This is going to
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  Speaker 2: be one of the most competitive races in the country
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  Speaker 2: because you look at Iowa and way that Chuck Schumer
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  Speaker 2: can take.
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  Speaker 3: Back the Senate without flipping Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to be investing hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars in our state to lie about me. So I
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  Speaker 2: look at this as a great opportunity to get out
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  Speaker 2: there tell the truth about them and how their radical
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  Speaker 2: policies are wrong for Iowa and wrong for our country.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's start right there with your campaign website, because
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  Speaker 1: you're going to need a lot of small donors. Small
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  Speaker 1: donors or the backbone of every campaign, so we can't
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  Speaker 1: say your website often enough. How do people find out
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  Speaker 1: how to help you out, Ashley Inson.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty easy Ashley Hinton dot com.
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  Speaker 2: We would appreciate your support to join our team and
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  Speaker 2: our mission because I think this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: one of the most expensive races in the country. I
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  Speaker 2: wish these races weren't dying expensive.
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  Speaker 3: But they are.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that the Liberals are just funneling money
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  Speaker 2: into Josh Turek, who is the person I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be running against. He's a far left liberal state representative
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  Speaker 2: in Iowa, and he's following the Democrat playbook right now,
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  Speaker 2: which is to masquerade as a moderate and he's going
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  Speaker 2: to govern like a liberal. And the interesting thing is
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  Speaker 2: that while he's out telling those stories, his record is
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  Speaker 2: one of far left policies.
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  Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer acolyte is what I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer spent ten million dollars, the most of any
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  Speaker 2: candidate in the country to get this gentleman through the primary,
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  Speaker 2: so we know that he's going to align with the
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  Speaker 2: values of Chuck Schumer and AOC and not only does
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  Speaker 2: he align with those far left values, but he frankly
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  Speaker 2: embraces them. So protecting illegal immigrants, making sure that law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement can't actually work with ice and cooperate on that,
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  Speaker 2: continuing to support radical gender ideology, allowing kids to change
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  Speaker 2: their gender at school and not tell the parents about it.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the policies that he supported at the state
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  Speaker 2: capitol when he chose to show up. Might I add
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  Speaker 2: he missed seventy percent of votes at the state Capitol
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  Speaker 2: this year, So to me, that doesn't signal someone who's
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  Speaker 2: willing to stand up for Iowa values, and I certainly am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm showing up every single day to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: Iowa's values, in Iowa's stories are told here in.
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  Speaker 3: Washington, DC, and that's what I always expect.
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  Speaker 4: Us to do.
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  Speaker 1: So, Congresswoman Hinson, I want to go back to where
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  Speaker 1: you grew up in Iowa and where you went to
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  Speaker 1: high school, just to root you in your state, which
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty ruby red state but occasionally throws up
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  Speaker 1: at Tom Harkin or somebody like that, where's your origin story?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a des Moines kid or are you from
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  Speaker 1: the rural part of the state.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nope, I'm a des Moines area native. I grew
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  Speaker 2: up in West Moines. I went to Valley High School.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a Valley Tiger class of two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting. We just had our twenty fifth high school
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  Speaker 2: REGI I chose to spend it trying to earn votes
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  Speaker 2: for the primary instead of going to all their reunion stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's important to get out across the state.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Gridley has a great model for how you earn
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  Speaker 2: those votes and tell voters what you're about. The ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine county tour. So I've done the full Grassley. I've
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  Speaker 2: been to obviously the biggest city in our state where
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  Speaker 2: I'm from, Des Moin area, and then the smallest community
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  Speaker 2: in our state, population of eleven in Decatur County, Iowa, Leroy, Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: So my pledge to people is that no matter what
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  Speaker 2: your zip code is, no matter what your background is,
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  Speaker 2: is that I'm going to be your advocate and continue
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  Speaker 2: to tell your stories. I've worked across the aisle when
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  Speaker 2: I need to. I think it's important to get things
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  Speaker 2: done and govern and deliver for Iowans. I came into
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  Speaker 2: Congress I'm in my third term now.
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  Speaker 3: I came in.
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  Speaker 2: Under Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Joe Biden, which I
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  Speaker 2: don't recommend. I hope we don't return to that kind
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  Speaker 2: of a Democrat trifecta, but I knew it was still
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  Speaker 2: upon me to get things done for Iowans. I'll work
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  Speaker 2: with anyone who cares about Iowa's priorities, stand up to
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  Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't want to help me deliver on those
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  Speaker 2: or priorities that are wrong for our state.
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  Speaker 1: You have been a very solid, i would say, center
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  Speaker 1: right congresswoman, supporting both Kevin McCarthy and Mike Johnson. You
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  Speaker 1: have very traditional center right positions that are just very
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  Speaker 1: mainstream America. Have you watched in a bit of amazement
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  Speaker 1: at how far left the Democrats have gone this year
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  Speaker 1: because mister Turrek is just another mom Donnie in my view,
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  Speaker 1: He's just another grand Platner, just another lsied. Does that
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  Speaker 1: fly in Iowa? Or are they recoiling like the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the country from the hard left turn the Democrats
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  Speaker 1: have taken.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well again.
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  Speaker 2: The reason that Chuck Schumer spent so much money to
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  Speaker 2: get Josh Turek across the finish line is because he
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  Speaker 2: was masquerading as a moderate and so when you look
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  Speaker 2: at the values that they're actually embracing as a party,
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  Speaker 2: this is who the Democrats are. We should take them
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  Speaker 2: at their word. Josh Trurik has been talking about a
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent corporate tax rate and a ninety one percent
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  Speaker 2: marginal tax rate. That's aligned even, I would say, even
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  Speaker 2: more extreme than what AOC.
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  Speaker 3: Has talked about.
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  Speaker 2: So you look at the candidates who are coming out
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  Speaker 2: of New York City right now. It's coming out now
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  Speaker 2: that they've deleted posts about communism and Marxism and really
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  Speaker 2: really far left ideology. That is what these people are
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  Speaker 2: embracing now. And I think that's wrong for Iowa. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's wrong for our country. I think what Iowans
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  Speaker 2: want is a common sense leader who again gets things done.
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  Speaker 2: I run as a minivan driving mom because that's my
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  Speaker 2: life back home, and so when I think about decisions
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  Speaker 2: that need to happen in Washington, that's the hat I wear.
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  Speaker 3: I think about how much gas costs, right, I want
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  Speaker 3: to get those prices down.
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  Speaker 2: Because it affects everyone and turns out, Iowa farmers use
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  Speaker 2: a lot of energy.
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  Speaker 3: Those input costs.
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  Speaker 2: We need to get those down so that our farmers
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  Speaker 2: can actually make a living while they're trying to feed
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  Speaker 2: and fuel the world. Also, but being a teenage boy mom,
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  Speaker 2: I think really prepares you well for serving in Congress
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  Speaker 2: because you're constantly negotiating with unreasonable people, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that set me up well to work here in Washington, DC.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the left wing Democrats that are coming forward are
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  Speaker 1: demanding a lot of free stuff, and they're suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: grocery prices can be manipulated by the federal government. They're
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  Speaker 1: suggesting that gas prices can be mean. I'm a free
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  Speaker 1: market guy. I'm pretty sure islands are especially farmers. You're
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  Speaker 1: following in the footsteps of the great Jony Ernst. I
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  Speaker 1: have to guess that farm matters matter a lot to
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  Speaker 1: you as well as to Jony and Chuck Grassley. Am
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  Speaker 1: I right about that?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Iowa agriculture is the backbone of our state.
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  Speaker 2: These are small business owners, family operations in most cases,
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  Speaker 2: and we need to do more to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: number one, that they can be successful because a strong
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  Speaker 2: ag economy means a strong national security.
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  Speaker 3: Also, food security.
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  Speaker 2: Is national security, so we need to do more to
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  Speaker 2: protect our agg supply chain and make sure farmers have markets.
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  Speaker 3: So a couple of the priorities that.
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  Speaker 2: We have really pushed in the House, the fifteen A mandate. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we would love if people could be able to access that.
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  Speaker 3: Fuel year round.
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  Speaker 2: It's a win for Iowa farmers and for Iowa agriculture,
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  Speaker 2: and it would be a win for consumers. And then
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  Speaker 2: we would also argue it's a conservative policy because it's
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of a regulation, so we need more of that,
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  Speaker 2: and farmers want markets, not checks, right, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that's where you start to again respect taxpayers in the process,
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  Speaker 2: but still make things better for our ag community.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, these.
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  Speaker 2: Issues are front and center as I travel through the state.
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  Speaker 2: Fertilizer prices are really high. We need to focus more
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  Speaker 2: on domestic production and also transparency.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm a former journalist, so.
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  Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time asking people tough questions.
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  Speaker 2: I find a little sunlight often is the best disinfectant,
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  Speaker 2: So more transparency around fertilizer costs, and then looking at
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  Speaker 2: our supply chain for egg how can we make sure
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  Speaker 2: we're less reliant on China for those inputs. I think
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  Speaker 2: that will help us to be more secure and to
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  Speaker 2: drive prices down. So those are all issues that I
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  Speaker 2: have been working on these past couple of years and
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  Speaker 2: look forward to continue our work in the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got thirty seconds. I love talking to a
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  Speaker 1: former TV person because I know what that means. Ashleyhinton
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  Speaker 1: dot com. How much do you have to raise? And
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've got to do it in tens and
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  Speaker 1: twenty five and fifties and one hundred Ashleyhinton dot com.
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  Speaker 1: But how much do you think you have to put
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  Speaker 1: in the bank?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Hugh, I want to put a target
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  Speaker 2: on it because I every time I do that, they
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  Speaker 2: tell me it has to go hire.
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  Speaker 3: So I will say, is this.
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  Speaker 2: I would appreciate anybody's support for our campaign. Jony's race
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty was a two hundred million dollars Senate race.
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  Speaker 3: We're anticipating that.
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  Speaker 2: Will be well above this already eighty million dollars in
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  Speaker 2: outside spending. So if you're able to chip in a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, twenty five dollars would help us a long way.
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  Speaker 2: At Ashley Hinton dot com, let's go out and win
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  Speaker 2: in November.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley, good to see you, congresswomen. We'll talk to you
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  Speaker 1: frequently as we get closer in November Ashleythinson dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Ashleythinson dot com, stay tuned America. Welcome back to America
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  Speaker 1: on huge and I hope you are getting ready for a
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  Speaker 1: great Fourth of July weekend. Great time to catch up
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  Speaker 1: with my friend Rogers and Cam director of the Reagan
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  Speaker 1: Institute in Washington, DC. Roger, it is time for the
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  Speaker 1: annual Reagan Institute Summer Survey. Why don't you give people
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  Speaker 1: the background on what you do annually and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into the specifics of this year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, great to be with you, Thanks for the opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: The Summer Survey is one of two surveys we do
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  Speaker 4: annually that looks at the foreign policy, national security, and
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  Speaker 4: defense views of the American people. Now, your show and
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  Speaker 4: you are oriented towards this issue set. But as you know,
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  Speaker 4: there is actually a very limited amount of public policy
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  Speaker 4: polling on these sets of questions, and so the Reagan
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  Speaker 4: Institute for a number of years now, going back to
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  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, has dived into these questions, and so we
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  Speaker 4: im modestly think we do the deepest dive and have
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  Speaker 4: the most information on how the American people view this
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  Speaker 4: very important set of issues.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think that if more
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  Speaker 1: legacy media people spent more time paying attention, there would
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  Speaker 1: be more interest because I think it's actually it's the
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  Speaker 1: prime mover of American security is what do American people
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  Speaker 1: think about American security? So I'm glad that I'm one
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  Speaker 1: of the shows that they spend time on it. How
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  Speaker 1: do you want to set the stage, Roger, because you
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  Speaker 1: can do a monologue if you want. I just want
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  Speaker 1: you to download what you've found and then spend some
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  Speaker 1: time on NATO with me, which is the most alarming
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  Speaker 1: stat and this year's report.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well we'll take you to that.
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  Speaker 4: I think overall, the headline is this, the American people
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  Speaker 4: overwhelmingly want to see the US engage in the world.
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  Speaker 4: So this notion that, particularly on the Republican side, that
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  Speaker 4: we have turned isolationists inward looking is incorrect, and we've
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  Speaker 4: been showing that since twenty twenty three, and it continues
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  Speaker 4: to be the case today. Supermajorities over sixty percent of
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  Speaker 4: Americans take this point of view. One of the really
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  Speaker 4: cool elements that's kind of a subheading of that headline
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  Speaker 4: is that if you look at what drives the American
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  Speaker 4: people in terms of seeking to engage in the world.
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  Speaker 4: They are in agreement between Republicans and Democrats on three principles,
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  Speaker 4: and they're very Reaganesque. Number one, eight out of ten
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  Speaker 4: want our foreign policy to be driven by peace through strength.
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  Speaker 4: Two they want our foreign policy eight out of ten
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  Speaker 4: again want to see it led with human rights and
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  Speaker 4: advancing freedom in the world democracy. And the third ones
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  Speaker 4: they want to see us trading and engaged in the world.
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  Speaker 4: So those three stools really of Reaganism are very much
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  Speaker 4: what Americans want. And it's like eight out of ten
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  Speaker 4: Republicans as well as Democrats the last peace. On that,
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  Speaker 4: some might think that MAGA Republicans would sort of be
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  Speaker 4: pulling down the numbers here somehow that are not reflective
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  Speaker 4: of this pro engagement view of the world.
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  Speaker 5: It's just the opposite of you.
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  Speaker 4: MAGA Republicans are overwhelmingly supportive of being engaged in the world.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing we did in this survey that we
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  Speaker 4: haven't done before is that we double down and looking
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  Speaker 4: at the eighteen to twenty nine demographic amongst mag and we.
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  Speaker 5: Thought, okay, do they depart because some people were.
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  Speaker 4: Questioning us, oh, well, you don't know where the eighteen
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  Speaker 4: twenty nine year olds are they're going a different direction.
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  Speaker 5: That is not correct.
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  Speaker 4: They are reflective of MAGA trends overall. They want to
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  Speaker 4: see the US leading in the world as well, so
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  Speaker 4: through and through the Republican Party in particular is very
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  Speaker 4: much pro engagement with the world.
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  Speaker 1: Rogers the camp. Did you pick up the anti Israel,
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  Speaker 1: anti frankly Semitic trend on the left? Did that show
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  Speaker 1: up in your number? Is what's fueling mandami? The three
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  Speaker 1: socialist slash communists who won the Democratic primaries last week,
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  Speaker 1: else I Ed Flanagan, Graham Platner, a self described community.
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  Speaker 1: Did your data pick up that on the Democratic side
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  Speaker 1: there is a splintering among the young lefties.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the answer is yes, we picked up on it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not nearly as bad as the popular narrative
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  Speaker 4: would suggest. So yes, we're certainly seeing the Democrats pulling
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  Speaker 4: down these numbers MAGA Republicans, Republicans overall.
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  Speaker 5: Are pulling it up to the tune of eight out
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  Speaker 5: of ten.
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  Speaker 4: There's a story there on its own right, we can
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  Speaker 4: go into Democrats are pulling it down. They're down sixteen
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  Speaker 4: points when they were year over year in terms.
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  Speaker 5: Of survey But here's the kicker. Still, even with.
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  Speaker 4: That kind of trend on the democratic extremes that we're
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  Speaker 4: seeing from democratic socialists, still fifty seven percent of Democrats
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  Speaker 4: in this survey see that US security is tied to
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  Speaker 4: israel security. That means they believe US prosperity and peace
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  Speaker 4: is tied to Israel's security. So they still have a
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  Speaker 4: majority in terms of where the pro Israel point of
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  Speaker 4: view is on the democratic side, it's just going down
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  Speaker 4: and being pulled by all this craziness we're seeing.
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  Speaker 5: From the Mamdani's in the world.
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  Speaker 1: So, Roger, what do you put down? The narrative to
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  Speaker 1: all we get fed every day is that young people
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: in America are turning against Israel, turning against America and
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the world, becoming isolationists. We've got the podros on the left,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: We've got a variety of podcasts on the right that
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: are isolationis leaning. Where does the narrative come from when
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the data doesn't support it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's the people who make the most noise. I mean,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: you're just hitting on it.
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  Speaker 4: The podcasters on the far right. They're the ones who
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: are kind of commanding the headlines. And then we see
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: these pockets in the Democratic Party right with you know
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: that are deeply blue sort of districts. That's what played
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: out in New York last week. And it's true they
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: are deeply anti Semitic. They are the Democratic Social America
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: are running on an anti Israel, anti Semitic platform, so
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: naturally that's where the NARRA is going to be.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: What we're able to do with this survey, right is.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: To demonstrate where the American people are overall, where the
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Democratic voters are overall, and a Democrat in Nebraska, a
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Democrat in Arizona is not reflective of the Democrat in Brooklyn, and.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: That's what this shows. So there's listen.
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  Speaker 4: It's a big change, as you know, from where democratic
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: support was for Israel from a decade plus ago when
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: I start down on Capitol Hill. I mean I remember
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: feeling this that the most pro Israel parliament in the
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: world wasn't the Knesset in Jerusalem, it was the Congress
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. We are far away from that today,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: but the story isn't all bad. And I think what
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I'm encouraging in my opportunities to engage with elected officials
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: and with people like you, is to say the Democratic
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: party still has a base support in terms of the
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: relationship with Israel, being supportive of Israel. They need to
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: use that and engage and counter the Democratic Socialists, not
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: that we're seeing from Democratic leadership since what took place
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: last week, where they're basically embracing these people and not contesting,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: not confronting them, because if they're not careful, that number
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: that we saw in our survey fifty seven percent will
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: go down.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So Roger, I want to get to the two hot
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: points we've got. I know Reagan and Suitt's non partisan,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: so I want to make sure people know that. In Maine,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: for example, obscision Collins moderate hawk defense spendings, our chair
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of appropriations on the Intel Committee. But she he's a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: centrist running against a self proclaimed communist, Graham Platner. What
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: do these numbers mean for that race? And then what
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: then the numbers about NATO. I noted that Republican support
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: for NATO has dropped to it's all time low in
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the Reagan Institute survey.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think for Susan Collins, she should feel
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: kind of buttressed by these numbers, that Platner is really
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: a marginal player, certainly as in our polling where Democrats
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: are across the country.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: And so she should feel that her record.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: In the Congress, which again is reflective of the sort
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: of values, those foundational principles. I was talking about the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: outset or something that are supported not just by Republicans view,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: but by eight out of ten Democrats.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: That's what's remarkable about this. It's eight out of.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Ten Democrats show this point of view. So I think
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: it's a good news story for her. On NATO, we're
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: seeing the numbers go down a little bit on the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Republican side, but again context it's still six out of ten,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: you know, across the board and sort of support for NATO,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: and that includes here's an interesting one, the eighteen to
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: twenty nine demographic of MAGA voters I was talking about earlier.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: We did a kind of overextended the sample size there.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: They believe that being part of NATO, the US being
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: part of NATO is vital to US peace and security.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It's a tune of seven out of ten. So again
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: another counter narrative. Now, President Yeah, President Trump's been hard
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: on NATO. We've got a lot for it, right, So
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I think it's a very positive outcome and one that
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: we ought to build on Roger.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Where do they go to get the full report?
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: You go, put in Reagan Institute Summer.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Survey in your browser and you'll get it on our website.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Rogers and Kim always good to say you. Thank you. Roger.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Stay tune, Welcome
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: back to America. I'm Joe Hewittt. I'm always pleased to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: partner with Americans for Prosperity, but especially today. Kirk Couchman
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: is their senior fellow for physcal Policy, and he's here
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to tell us about a bill that is near and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: dear to my heart that would stop government shut down.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I wrote a calm Kurt for tomorrow's Fox News that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Democrats are planning to shut the government down in October
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and calling on Republicans to use reconciliation to keep the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: national defense funded. But it should not happen. Tell people
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: about the Prevent Government Shutdowns Act.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for writing that piece, and thanks for having
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: me on today. The Prevent Government Shutdowns Act would do
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: two things. One, it would keep members of Congress and
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: their staff stuck in DC focused on the appropriations bills
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: until they get them done if they get past the
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: start of the new fiscal year on October first, And
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: the other thing it would do is prevent any disruptions
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  Speaker 6: to the services that American taxpayers pay for and expect
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: from their federal government.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: All of the pain would go on the politicians that
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: are causing the mess rather than the American people who
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: aren't able to sort things out.
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  Speaker 1: Kurt, I hate continuing resolutely, but I really hate shutdowns.
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  Speaker 1: I know if Senator Schumer has been pretty upfront about this,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he intends to have one in October as a campaign stunt.
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  Speaker 1: Can your bill path in time to prevent that.
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  Speaker 7: We certainly hope.
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  Speaker 6: So, I mean, there's been a lot of speculation that
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Senator Schumer is planning on doing exactly what you described.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: A number of Senators have pointed it out. I've expressed
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: a concern that that might be a possibility. And right
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: now there is broad bipartisan support in both the House
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: and the Senate, so you have bipartisan legislation in both bodies.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: There are six Democrats and I believe fifteen Republicans on
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: the Senate version, and we just need two or three
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: more Senate Democrats to get on board. So we're making
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: the case that this is something that will help Congress succeed.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: It will take shutdowns off the table, It will provide
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: more value for the American people from their government. It
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: will actually create a more bottom up legislative process in
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Congress so that more ideas can get in the mix
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: and we can, you know, challenge things that don't make
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: a whole lot of sense and just get better results.
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  Speaker 1: Who are the Democrats who are on the bill PGSA
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: with us the prevent government shutdown? At who's with us already?
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  Speaker 6: Maggie Hassen from New Hampshire, John Fetterman from Pennsylvania, Mark
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Kelly from Arizona, Alissa Slotkin from Michigan, And there's a
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  Speaker 6: few others.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's fifty seven, then you only need three. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: assume every Republican is for this. Am I right about that?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Rand Paul has sometimes voted against it because he wants
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: to have a one percent cut and then another one
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: percent cut and so on. But the really the objective
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: is to get Congress to pass the appropriations bills in
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: July when it's supposed to happen, because that way the
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: agencies will have some time to plan and members can
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: take back money that isn't going to be spent well
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: in the current fiscal year and move it to somewhere else,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: or maybe not spend.
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  Speaker 1: It at all.
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  Speaker 6: Get it done in July, and then you don't have
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  Speaker 6: to worry about these automatic continuing appropriations going into effect
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  Speaker 6: in October when the legislation should have been done once
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  Speaker 6: and months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of things wrong with government shutdowns.
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  Speaker 1: Most people don't want their monuments shut down, their national park,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: but it's really terrible for national security. It's very hard
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to get a demand signal out there to contractors when
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they're living on c art What else do people not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: know about? Shutdown? Sort of they hidden damage it does
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: below the waterline. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that people take for granted is
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: the idea that shutdowns are just an inherent part of
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: federal budgeting. And the truth is that shutdowns have only
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: been a possibility a little bit longer than I've been alive.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Jimmy Carter's administration created them in nineteen eighty. They didn't exist,
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: they weren't possible before that. So that's one thing people
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: should know. And the other thing is that it changes
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: the game when you have shutdowns, because it makes it
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: so that the best course for congressional leadership is to
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: stick everybody with a big old omnibus bill right before
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: a holiday break and say vote for this. It's up
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: or down. If you don't vote for it, it's your
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: fault that there's going to be a shutdown.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: That's not a good game.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: It's bad incentives all around, and it cuts out a
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: lot of democracy within Congress when you take shutdowns off
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  Speaker 6: the table with automatic continuing appropriations, Now the votes have
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: to be earned for the new legislation. You can't force
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: people to vote for it. So the legislation has to
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: include more people, include more ideas, and that makes it
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: a better legislative product. So every year the new legislation
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: is going to be better than what it is replacing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: And that's good. That's how we get better results over
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: and over again from Congress.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Last question, Kurt, Jim Langford's been on James Blankford been
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on the program a lot, and he is a big
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: spokesperson for the Who else is your champion on the hill?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Because Americans for Prosperity need help to get this over
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the goal line?
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  Speaker 6: Of course, Yeah, Senator has in Democrat from New Hampshire
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: is an incredible champion of this. Also in the House,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Senator James Langford, Republican from Texas, and Jimmy Panetta, a
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: Democrat from Californi are doing yeomen's work over there. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: probably our greatest ally, and this is the American people.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Eighty one percent of Americans support this legislation, eighty percent
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: want members of Congress to vote for it, vote up
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: or down on it, and sixty six percent of Americans
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: are more likely to support a politician who votes for
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: this legislation.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Hopefully this year, not next year. This year. Kurt Kutschman,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Senior Fellow and Fiscal Policy and Americans for Prosperity, thank you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: That's called the Stop Government Shutdown Act. Get behind it,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Call your senator and congress people and tell them get
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: behind it as well, and stay tuned to the US
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: bogam back America. The Une. The chief fire holds today
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in the strait of horm moves, but that is tended tenuous.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm joined now by doctor Michael Urn. He is, of course,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: former Ambassador of Israel of the United States. In the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: meantime when the shooting was going on, Israel Lebanon sat
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: down and they signed an accord, the consequences of which
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: are opaque. It best to me doctor and tell us
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: what it means.
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: It's quite, I think, a very positive development.
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: You it's not the first time that Israel and Lebanon
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: have signed a peace treaty. We signed up an armisis
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: agreement back in nineteen forty nine. Nineteen eighty two, we
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: had an agreement with the then Maronite president for sure,
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: Jamiele who was then assassinated. We had a peace treaty
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: in nineteen eighty three that was broken by the Lebanese.
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: But having said all that, it's been well forty five
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: years almost, and.
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  Speaker 5: It's very good.
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: But what is excellent about.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: It is, first of all, the United States stands behind it. Secondly,
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: it recognizes Israel's need to stay militarily within the southern
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: part of the country to prevent his Bula from coming
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: back to the border area and threatening our border communities.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: And it also allows Israel to respond to threats.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: From his Bulah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: And not just you know, sit there and take it
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: on a daily basis.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: So all that is very.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: Good, and that for that reason, his Bulah is very
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: viciously fariently protesting.
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: Against this agreement tonight.
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: It may actually explode into bloodshed into Lebanon. There's fears
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: of a renewed civil wars as we saw in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: nineteen seventies. We don't know, but it is a very
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: positive development. And I think we, the Lebanese leadership, particularly
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: President Awan, deserve a tremendous amount of credit.
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: It takes a lot of guts to do something like.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: That when some of your predecessors, for doing very similar
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: things were assassinated.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Now, doctor, and if memory serves, you served in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: idea in Lebanon, Am I right about that?
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: I spent the big chunk of my life fighting in Lebanon,
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: including in Beirut.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: All right, So can you describe for me and for
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the American eye and from coast to coast what that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: security zone terrain is like. It seems like it's not
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that big. But on the other hand, if it's all
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: hills and dales and valleys and rock ledges, a lot
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of Israelis got killed.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: Up there, a lot of is We're at one point,
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: we're losing about twenty five soldiers per month up there,
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: which is a tremendous amount for this country. And it
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: is an impossible train, and Lebanon is an unsteakily beautiful country.
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: I was to say, I don't know what is really
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: soldier who didn't dream about some day.
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: Coming back there and doing a picnic with his family.
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: But it is impossible, and it's terrific. Terrains the best
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: possible terrain for terrorism because terrorists can hide in thick
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: undergrowth behind these rocks. Very difficult for armored vehicles to.
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: Pass through this area.
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: So the great advantage of juitrail has an armored vehicle
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: is largely neutralized. And now we have the additional scourge
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: of drones, drones with optic cables that can hide behind trees,
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: hide behind rock ledges, and all of a sudden appear
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: as strike as as really forces. So logistically militarily it
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: is an immense, immense challenge.
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: But what is the alternative?
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: He The alternative is to have one hundred thousand heavily armed,
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: very very highly trained his ball of terrorists right along
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: our border, along with tunnels that and a force that
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: is willing to commit every bit of the atrocities that
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: were perpetrated by Hamas On October seventh along the southern
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: border of Israel to do the exact same thing to
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: our northern cities.
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: So it's you know, it's the lesser of two evils.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: Having Israel in the sudden levelon with our forces is
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: definitely the lesser of those two nightmare situations.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So has the IDF developed the technology to fight above
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the skuys with the drones and the fiber cable and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: below in the tunnels? Can they detect below and destroy
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and prevent above from intruding?
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: Right now, we've done some much better job of fighting
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: the tunnels because this is not a new technology, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: we've developed it in Gaza first.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: And then in Lebanon.
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: The big challenge in Lebanon Que is that the tunnels
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: are not dug in sand as they are in Gaza,
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: but in solid rock, and so that makes them more
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: difficult a to detect and b to blow up. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: we dressed threw up an amazing tunnel in a major
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: tunnel system today, two hundred yards of tunnel dug through
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: solid granite. And it was an explosion that was heard
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: all over northern Israel. That's how big death explosion was.
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: So yeah, it's a big challenge. The drones is a challenge,
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: not just for Israel to drones for every army in
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: the world today, how do you deal with drones?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: No, No, Doctoran For many years, and you've been patient
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: with my audience for years, you've explained Hesbal I had
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: this arsenal of very much more capable missiles than Hamasda.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It has that arsenal been sufficiently degraded so as to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: remove the imminent threat of overwhelming David sling and arrow
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and everything else you've got.
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: It has been degraded, but not to the degree that
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: anybody can rest on that Laurel well whatsoever and his
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: love that has rockets that can not just hit the
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: northern part of Israel, they can hit the southern part
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: of Israel. A couple of weeks ago they sent a
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: rocket at our southern port of Astut, about a hour
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: hour of hour south of where I'm talking to you
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: now in Tel Avivon So that threat very much exists. Still,
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: it's not what it was on October seventh, twenty twenty three.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: Is not what it was.
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: Is it destroyed hundreds and hundreds of these rockets and
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: their launchers.
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: But still we're talking about.
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: At forest that had something close to two hundred thousand projectiles,
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: and that include rockets that carried warheads of four hundred
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: or even one thousand pounds to very large mortar shells,
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: so that you don't destroy two hundred thousand projectiles overnight.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: All right, last question. I'll ask this from now until
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: October November, whenever the Israeli elections are, and I know
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you'll end by saying, never count babe, Netna. Who out
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: who's going to be your next part? Who's going to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: Never count out? Say the same thing right now.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: The lead is in.
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: The lead is former IDF Chief of Staff Gotti Eisencott.
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: You know, Israel has a soft spot for generals. They
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: seem to think that if you run an army it's
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: the exact same skill set that you need to be
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: a politician, which of course is not. You don't give
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: orders and politics you have to actually persuade people and
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: lead people. Very difficult and god, he has actually no
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: experience in politics, so it's going to be very interesting
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: if he does become prime minister.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: I think here we can take a page from the
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: United States of America.
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: You've had three presidents who were former generals, and only
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: one of them was a truly outstanding president and that
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: was the first one.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So oh, look, you don't like Suez, but I did. Okay,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: come on, you don't like such Michael, Are you going
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to be on any lists?
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: Yes, I am not. I'm not a legislator.
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: I'm not really interested in postal reform, but I will certainly.
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: Serve my country in any diplomatic capacity.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Last quick question, how all consuming is this campaigning to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: be in Israel?
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: Well, it's going to be a very interesting campaign for
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: many reasons, not only because once again it's everybody against
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: BB pretty much, and that's been the case for well
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: over twenty years. But this is a campaign, but so
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: the first time has issues that cut across left and right.
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: The service of ultra orthodox young people in the military
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: cuts across the right and left.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: It's right, it's then left is together want them to serve.
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: And also the question of a state inquiry.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: To be bends in October seventh, which NETSAM doesn't want,
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: for which people both on the right and the left
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: certainly want.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Doctor michaelaren on x R. Michaelauran, we are looking forward
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to having your expertise for the next four months because
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: it's critically important for the West that we know what's
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: going on in Israel. Thank you, Michael Lauren. I'll be
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: right back in America State too. Welcome back America. I'm
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. Pennsylvania was almost embarrassed this week because they
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: did not have a pavilion at the Great American State
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Fair until the Pennsylvania Christmas Tree Growers' Associations swung into action.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: In a story told by my guest Selena Zito, Selena,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: what did the Christmas Tree Growers do for the Keystone State?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Because it would have been very sad if they hadn't
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: gotten a booth on the mall.
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it would have been incredibly sad.
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: We are the state that began the revolution with the
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: French and Indian War in eighteen fifty four. We're also
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: the state that signed the Declaration, where the Declaration of.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Independence was signed.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: So one of the most important states in the forming
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: of our country and in the decision of our country.
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: With Gettysburg and the fact that the decision was made
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: by Governor Shapiro to not have a pavilion at the
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: All American State There was really, quite honestly, I'm going.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: To say humiliating, because that's how it felt to.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Me, Well, Steelers fans aren't very patriotic. That's what we
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: have to take away from this, that the Steelers fans
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: are patriotic.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: He's an Eagles fan, which is yeah.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So your senators got together and helped the cause though,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and John Fetterman's a Democrat, Dave McCormick is a Republican.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: They decided they did not want the state to be embarrassed.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So what's down there?
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I need to say that Beetterman
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: and McCormick made this happen in less than three hours
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: and for something that every other state has been doing
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: for the past six months, right, and they made it happen,
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: and then people just responded. There is an overwhelming amount
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: of display going on right now now. Senator McCormick lended
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: his historic flag collection is on display on the walls
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: the Pennsylvania There is number four and Christmas Tree Productions.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: There's a big Christmas tree down there, a complete, beautiful
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: replica of the Liberty Veil.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: But there's also going to.
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: Be representation from our steel and aluminum manufacturing, our dairy
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: you know, I mean.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: This country. It's hard for me to say this, but
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: without coal and oil. This country doesn't go and the coal.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: The coal comes from Pennsylvania and the oil was discovered there.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So it really is kind of central to the story
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of the country.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: If it truly is. I know that's hard for you
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: to say.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Rally forg Gettysburg. My goodness, yeah, I know.
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: This is where flight ninety three went down, right, I
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: mean this is a railroading in Scrampton and Nowtoona and
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: reading like this is the heartbeat of the country.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: There's a reason it's called the Keystone.
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: State because of its position and its abundance of riches
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: when it comes to energy but also agriculture.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: As three year Letterman would say on X and our
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: greatest President Ben Franklin, three year Letterman's one of my
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: favorite accounts on X. Tell me about what the guvernment
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was thinking? What what is that? What's that's the biggest
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: misstep he's made.
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: You know, you and I have had this conversation so
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: many times. Josha Carroll is an incredible political athlete. However,
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: there was no athleticism in this moment.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: The fact that the fact that it was elite in
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: the New Republic, which is generous to.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: Say, it's a left leaning news.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody reads it anymore. It used to be a great magazination.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It's ruined.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: I'm behind the fact that it was placed there shows purpose. Right,
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: he wanted this out. He wanted it to be political. Uh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: and you can't get around that. And in a state
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: with an abundance of riches, incredible wrong. You know, long
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: held companies US Steel, Alcoa, Hines. I mean, all these
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: companies with the snack capital of the world, and US
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: has stepped up.
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: However, Hershey's has not stepped up.
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: In fact, they are not going to be participating, which
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: is interesting for the one hundred and thirty two year
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: old company to draw three point three million people to
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: our state.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, isn't there Hershey's Amusement Park?
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, three point three million people. It's the largest independently
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: owned amusement park in the country.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: However, not want patriotic people to come? Do they expect
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: people to notice that they took a pass on the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: chudre on the great American state there. It's not about Trump,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it's not about R and D, it's not about red
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and blue.
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: Now Shapiro made it about Trump. He shouldn't have.
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: You just you know, I mean, Gavin Newsom could do
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: it in California. Yeah, why couldn't our governor, who usually
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: rises above these situations.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: God bless McCormick and Fetterman.
• 39:09
  Speaker 11: But I also have to say, God bless the farmers,
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: the volunteer firemen who are bringing a box trucks full
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: of stock that people are donating.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Godless all the volunteers that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 11: Have stepped up, many of them veterans of our military.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: And we're probably going to have a better booth that
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: we were ever going to have.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the Army were colleges in Pennsylvania, eisen Howard retired
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to Gettysburg. I can go on and on and on.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even like Pennsylvania because of the Steelers, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I do have to admit I'm just astonished that the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: place where the declaration was signed a cave to political
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: pressure from the left not to participate in something just
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: because it happens to be close to the White House.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want. Did he give a reason.
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: No, I mean the reason he gave was that Trump
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: politicizes everything, and he canvassed several Pennsylvania.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: Businesses and they said they couldn't.
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: Do it, which is interesting to me because within three
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: hours hundreds of them stepped up.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all you have to do is put a notice
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: who would like to be in our boot at the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Great American State Fair. And by the way, shout out
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to the Christmas tree people. I had no idea that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania did a big Christmas tree business, but that was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the prime mover. Is that the person who got it going?
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, it was. It was this farmer.
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: She was really amazing, Like she's packed up her truck
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: with a seven foot.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Christmas tree a kid driving down to DT as of
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: his kids.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Well, good on Pennsylvania. Everyone who's in the mall listening
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to me on my DC affiliate, head on over to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania people and say thanks to you career stepping
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: in when their government wouldn't because it's too politicize. Selena Zeto,
• 41:06
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  Speaker 1: little music from Hamilton and the author of this book Revolution,
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  Speaker 1: my old friend Eric mctexas. Eric, welcome. I open my
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: mailbox and this behemoth of a book appear, And I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: say to myself, what has Eric been doing? How many
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: people worked? How long did this take you? Because this
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: is not your ordinary two hundred page cretic core. This
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: is some serious history. Eric.
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: Thank you, Hugh, my dear friend, Yes it is. I
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: work very hard on it. But you know something, Americans,
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: you know this. Americans need to know our story.
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: And I looked around.
• 43:28
  Speaker 13: There's a million books in the Revolution, but I said,
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: there needs to be one book that tells you everything you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: Need to know. It needs to be readable.
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: If it's a history book and it's not fun to read,
• 43:39
  Speaker 13: it's a bad history book.
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: So I worked very very hard on it. I never
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: have help.
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: I kind of wish I knew how to use the
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: research teams.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: I don't.
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: I do it all myself, but what I learned, honestly,
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: it's breathtaking. This nation has a breathtaking genesis. Every single
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: American needs to know it. As you know and your
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: audience knows. This has gone out of favor in the
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: last thirty and forty years. We do not celebrate America
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: the way we should. If you put a microphone on
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: somebody's face. In nineteen sixty, mainStreet America, everybody know knew
• 44:11
  Speaker 13: every detail, all the names, all the figures, all the stories.
• 44:14
  Speaker 13: We need to recatechize ourselves.
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: Because if you don't know this stuff, if.
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: You don't really know this, you're just wide open for
• 44:22
  Speaker 13: socialist lumacy and all the other stuff that's been coming
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: down the pike. So I think the two hundred and
• 44:26
  Speaker 13: fiftieth this is our moment. This is you know, mandatory
• 44:29
  Speaker 13: beach reading the way I see it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I love that term, an American catechisis. I don't know
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: if you've used that often, but we do need that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: It used to be kind of fairly routine. Whether you
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: were in private school or a parochial school or a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: private school, you learn the basics. You learn George Washington
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. You learned about the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Boston Man. When does revolution begin and when does it end?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: The war itself is a seven year war. But to
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: begin before the revolution begins.
• 45:02
  Speaker 13: Well, that's the thing is, Like I knew I wanted
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: to write a story about the revolution, and then I
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: had to figure out, well, what does that mean? When
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: you know, when do I start Lexington and conquered. That's
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: April seventeen seventy five. But the more you look into it,
• 45:16
  Speaker 13: the more you realize, Wait.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: A minute, Wait a minute.
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: John Adams said, there's a revolution before the revolution, before
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: Lexington and Conquered, before shots are fired, there is a
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: revolution in the hearts and minds of the people in
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: the thirteen colonies who steal themselves for this conflict.
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: And so I have to tell that story.
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: And it really begins with the advent of a king,
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: George the Third, he comes to the throne in seventeen
• 45:39
  Speaker 13: sixty sixty one.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: That kind of begins things.
• 45:42
  Speaker 13: The end of the French and Indian War, the British
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: had hugely expanded their empire.
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: They win the war and they've got.
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: A huge empire, and they've got huge debt. And now
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: they say, oh, you know what, now we're big boys.
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: Now we've got this big empire. We've got to administrate
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: the empire. We've got a you know, these colin they've
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: been getting away with all kinds of stuff for a
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: long time. We need to tax them. We need to
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: you know, get them to pay their fair share. If
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: you've ever heard that phrase before, that's what starts the trouble,
• 46:11
  Speaker 13: because the Americans are crazy enough to believe, wait a minute,
• 46:14
  Speaker 13: we govern ourselves. You can't just bully us with a
• 46:17
  Speaker 13: gun and say give me the money. By what right
• 46:20
  Speaker 13: do you tax us? And the Americans had real principles.
• 46:24
  Speaker 13: And this is what's so beautiful you realize it was
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: a profoundly Christian nation, profoundly and escapably Christian. They believed
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: in these principles that our rights come from God. This
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: wasn't just you know, we don't want to pay the taxes.
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: And so it sets up this conflict that really the
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: British handled very very badly.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: It's almost funny, I say, It's kind of like, you know.
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: If the Pharaoh, if a close friend of Pharaoh goes
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: to him after the Third Plague and says, hey, listen, pal,
• 46:51
  Speaker 13: this is not going to go well for you. I think,
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: you know, maybe you need to let Moses and his
• 46:55
  Speaker 13: people go. And the Pharah says, what are you crazy?
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: I'm powerful, and I could. That's kind of what King
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: George the Third and Parliament did. They were just absolutely,
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: you know, foolish in the way they handled the whole thing.
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: And they never needed to lose the colonies. The Americans
• 47:10
  Speaker 13: didn't want to declare independence, not even until the end.
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: But obviously, as you know, we did.
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: And it's kind of a It's just it's such an
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: amazing story, and I didn't realize in many ways it's
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: a story between good and evil.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: I had not seen that before either.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Well, we come back from break. I want to ask
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you about, having spent years on revolution, who your favorite
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: American is or your least favorite Patriot is. But I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: do want people to know Eric and I have often
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: worked out of his studio in the southern part of Manhattan,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: next to which Alexander Hamilton is buried. Did you ever
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: stop in that cemetery, Eric, and visually.
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: I filmed something there at some point.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: It's amazing. The history is amazing. And that's the crazy
• 47:54
  Speaker 13: thing about writing this book. Suddenly everything comes alive and
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: I'm I'm in a plane flying and I look down.
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: I go George Washington landed there. It's exciting.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Eric mctexas in the meantime.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Go orders book from Amazon, Revolution The Birth of the
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Greatest Nation in the History of the World. I'm Hugh Hewett.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: That's Eric mctexas. We'll be right back. No one else
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: was in the else the Welcome Back America, the room
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: where it happened actually happened well after America and when
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it's independence and was in the framing years. I am
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: with Eric mctexas, who's written this magnificent new book, Revolution,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the World. Revolution is available in bookstores everywhere, at Amazon,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: at Barnes and Noble. Eric, You've worked with so many
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: towering figures in history, Bonhoffer and everyone from the Slavery
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Revolution through the current great souls, great men, great women,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: who struck you as maybe the least appreciated framer, founder
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: of revolutionary and American history.
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: That's easy.
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: Adams, John Adams should be ten times more famous than
• 49:04
  Speaker 13: Thomas Jefferson, one hundred times more famous John Adams. Honestly,
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: you know a lot of times people think that, oh,
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: Ericon Daxson's he knows all this stuff, and then he
• 49:12
  Speaker 13: decides to write a book.
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: I know nothing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: I know just enough that I want to write a book,
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: and then I do the research. As I said, I
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: do it myself and I read everything. I was honestly
• 49:22
  Speaker 13: astonished at this man, John Adams.
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: I thought he should be on Mount Rushmore. He should be.
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: I mean, he is such a hero, he sets the tone.
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: He's a Bostonian, he's humble, he's.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: A true Christian.
• 49:36
  Speaker 13: I have to say, I'm amazed at his integrity. It
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: is absolutely astonishing. And so there's a lot about him.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: In the book. It's not a book about.
• 49:44
  Speaker 13: Him, but other than George Washington, there is nobody who
• 49:47
  Speaker 13: can compare to John Adams. He's an absolute giant, very funny, acerbic,
• 49:53
  Speaker 13: and a man of just tremendous integrity and character.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: It's fun that you say that. For many, many years
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I've taught logical made all my law students watch the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: first two hours of the HBO series Adams with Paul Gmotti,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: because it does communicate from the time he represented the
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: British soldiers after the Boston massacre through his adamant man
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: that we declared independence. He is a courageous man. Now
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: everybody Wilfred McClay, great historian, a wonderful history it teaches
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: at Hillsdale. Now. I asked him he has a great
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: textbook on American history, the whole shebang, not just the Revolution.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And I asked him if if he was objective. He said,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I am objective but not neutral. I love that phrase.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Are you objective but not neutral as well?
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  Speaker 13: Eric, I have no idea that that's like one of
• 50:39
  Speaker 13: those you know, when did you stop beating your wife questions?
• 50:43
  Speaker 13: I'm not going to answer that. I'm going to plead
• 50:44
  Speaker 13: the fifth which you probably don't realize. That's part of
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: our law. I'm able to do that. Q. Honestly, there's
• 50:51
  Speaker 13: so much that I uncovered. This happens to me almost
• 50:54
  Speaker 13: every time I write a book.
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  Speaker 8: I get embarrassed. I do all this research and I think,
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: how did I not know this? How did I not
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: How have I not heard this? And I do more reasearch.
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: I think, am I'm imagining this?
• 51:04
  Speaker 13: And then I find more and more and I thought,
• 51:06
  Speaker 13: I mean every time, I just I'm crazy to tell
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  Speaker 13: the world about it, because I think every American needs
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  Speaker 13: to know this. This is not a book for history buffs.
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  Speaker 13: This is a book for Americans. Anybody who lives in
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: this country, I feel, has an obligation to know our story.
• 51:20
  Speaker 13: I tried in the most fast paced, you know, fun
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  Speaker 13: version imaginable.
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's a it's a big book.
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: But we need to know this, We need to be
• 51:31
  Speaker 13: able to talk about it. And I think that, you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: I was just casting about is there a book, a
• 51:35
  Speaker 13: one volume that tells the whole story of the revolution,
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: And I thought, Okay, then I guess I'll I'll have
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: to write it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: But it is uh.
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: I wanted it to be twelve hundred pages, but then
• 51:45
  Speaker 13: I thought, you know what, that's not fair to the reader.
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: So I boiled it down to a slim, fast paced
• 51:51
  Speaker 13: six hundred pages.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see, how did you manage to get
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: your arms around Washington's military their fabian tactics? And it's
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: not a it's not a straight line win. We don't
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: march from victory to victory like World War Two. Once
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: we go on to the offensive, it's a back and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: forth and there are some very brutal times for the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Continental Army. How'd you get your arms around the actual
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: military tactics.
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  Speaker 13: Well, you know, it's up to the reader to determine
• 52:19
  Speaker 13: whether I did. But I feel that what is interesting
• 52:23
  Speaker 13: to me is to try to imagine that they didn't.
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  Speaker 8: Know which way this was going to go.
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  Speaker 13: If you go to George Washington in seventeen seventy six
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  Speaker 13: and say, hey, how's it going, George, he would say
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: it is going extremely poorly, extremely poorly.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 8: But to be.
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: Basic about it, they had faith. He had faith that
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: this was genuinely a sacred cause. He was not some mercenary,
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: you know, fighting for money. This was a sacred cause.
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: So many of them believed that this was a sacred cause.
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: And they thought, well, if we're right, our job is
• 53:00
  Speaker 13: to do our job and to trust God, to trust
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  Speaker 13: Providence with the results.
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: And you can see Washington in his letters he did so.
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: Any idea that he's a deist is absolutely preposterous. That's
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: the vilest lie that you hear over and over again.
• 53:15
  Speaker 13: This is a man who knew that he wasn't the
• 53:19
  Speaker 13: greatest military tactician in history. And there were other generals,
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: Charles Lee and Horatio Gates, both of whom were kind
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: of bums in the end, but both of them were
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: better in terms of military strategy, and yet Washington was
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: the man chosen.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: Why is that?
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: Well, I think in retrospect you look at him and
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: you say, no one can compare to him.
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: In terms of character. This man was a giant.
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: He's somebody that you almost can't believe that he was real.
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: But he was real.
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: Everybody around him noted just his stature, not just physically,
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: but his character. People were overwhelmed with him, and you
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: see there are such dark periods that he managed to
• 54:00
  Speaker 13: hang in there. It was very painful, you know, for him,
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: there's no doubt about it. So, you know, you mentioned
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: the Fabian strategy. He thought, this is the way we
• 54:09
  Speaker 13: stay alive. We don't engage. We're not stupid. We're not
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: as good on the battlefield as the British. So we're
• 54:15
  Speaker 13: not going to try to take them on with our
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: militias and our ragtag bands of people that you know,
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: barely know how to use a bayonet. We're going to
• 54:24
  Speaker 13: fight in a different way. We're going to retreat and
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: retreat and retreat. We're going to try to drive them crazy.
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: We're going to force them to keep coming at us,
• 54:34
  Speaker 13: and we will simply win by not losing. And that
• 54:36
  Speaker 13: really ultimately was the you know, the Fabian strategy, which
• 54:41
  Speaker 13: he kind of figured in the fall.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: Of seventeen seventy six. This is probably the way to go.
• 54:46
  Speaker 13: It's not the way that he went in every case
• 54:48
  Speaker 13: because he had that side of him. He wanted to
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: engage the British, especially after von Steuben kind of beat
• 54:54
  Speaker 13: the troops into shape, let's take them on.
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: But basically it was the Fabian strategy.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I do want to mention per little back spending guests
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: on my program, president of Westminster Theological Seminary. He wrote
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: the book on Washington's faith, and there's no doubt about
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: it that he was a believer. I mean, it's not
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: even open for question. Although we get these revisionists who
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: try and so wrought among the wood that is the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Framer's facade, he was a great and absolute believer. When
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: we come back, I want to talk to you about
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Henry Knox because I was up in Maine last summer
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: and saw his home, and the more I read about
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Henry Knox, the more I think he is that no Canons,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: no Boston, no Knox no canons, and therefore we don't win.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So when I come back with Eric mctexas, we'll talk
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: about Henry Knox to close the program. The book is Revolution.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Revolution is available at Amazon, at Barnes and Noble, every
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: bookstore that's worth It's salt everywhere in America. It's a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: great way to celebrate the fourth Give it to your
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: friends and family. I'll be back to close the show
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: with Eric and Henry Knox. Stay too, Welcome back America.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: A couple minutes left with Eric mctexas as we get
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: ready for the fourth His brand new book is Revolution.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: It's in bookstores everywhere. It's at Amazon, It's at Barnes
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and Noble. Henry Knox, Eric, he wrote about him a
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: lot in Revolution. Did you know about him going in?
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a giant man. He's as big as
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the canons he pulled down from Saratoga.
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, he's basically three hundred pounds. He's huge.
• 56:25
  Speaker 13: But I got to say this is funny. I tell
• 56:28
  Speaker 13: this in the acknowledgments. If you read to the last
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: pages of the book. When I was in fifth grade,
• 56:33
  Speaker 13: in fifth grade at beaver Brook Elementary School here in Danbury, Connecticut,
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: where I am now, I had American.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: History and our teacher.
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: Every day after recess we go in and it was
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: mister Robert mcdebitt, and he would tell us about the
• 56:49
  Speaker 13: American Revolution.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: And he was so great at.
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: Doing that job, so faithful and so wonderful, that he
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: planted seeds that never left me. I was haunted in
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: a way, even if I wasn't. I never thought i'd
• 57:04
  Speaker 13: write a book on the Revolution que but when I
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: thought I would do it, I was kind of haunted
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: by mister mcdeon would always talk about Henry Knox putting
• 57:12
  Speaker 13: the cannon from Naroga, and he would mention this, and
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: I something in me lit up, like I gotta tell
• 57:18
  Speaker 13: the story of Henry Knox. I got to tell the
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: story of Henry Knox. It is one of the epic
• 57:23
  Speaker 13: stories in history. I said, I have to write a
• 57:25
  Speaker 13: chapter to give all the details because it's unbelievable. It's like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: you know, Hannibal crossing the Alps on elephants. You can't
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: believe this was done. It's one of the greatest things
• 57:35
  Speaker 13: ever done. And it was a twenty five year old
• 57:38
  Speaker 13: man named Henry Knox. And it's almost It really is
• 57:40
  Speaker 13: almost unbelievable that he pulled it off. I mean, this
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: is carrying one hundred and twenty thousand pounds of cannon,
• 57:46
  Speaker 13: some of them weighing five thousand pounds apiece over the
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: Berkshire Mountains in the middle of winter on.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: Trails with oxen and sleds.
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: It's just one of the craziest stories that every single
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: American knee to know, this heroic story because, as you said,
• 58:03
  Speaker 13: if he had not succeeded in this wild adventure, we
• 58:06
  Speaker 13: would have not had the canon in Boston, we would
• 58:09
  Speaker 13: have not chased the British out of Boston.
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  Speaker 8: Who knows what would have happened.
• 58:14
  Speaker 13: So what hanged You know, all of history hangs on
• 58:18
  Speaker 13: the personality and the courage, and you know, the persistence
• 58:22
  Speaker 13: and the character of a man named Henry Knox. So
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: we need to celebrate him. He's one of many, but
• 58:27
  Speaker 13: we need to know who these men were.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: And he was a bookseller in Boston when the Times
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: called on him. You must have seen that story again
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: and again. The final word Eric on revolution. Are you
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: going to continue on in American history? Going to go
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: back to theology or biography? What's the next Metaxas Project.
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: Honestly, Hugh, I have no idea.
• 58:51
  Speaker 13: I mean, I have a number of things that I've
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: always wanted to do, and I'm normally doing some of
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: them all at one time.
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: You know, I have a podcast, I've got all kinds
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: of stuff going on.
• 58:59
  Speaker 13: We're turning some of my books into streaming TV series
• 59:02
  Speaker 13: for people who don't read. But this Revolution book captured
• 59:06
  Speaker 13: me in such a way that I think, at least
• 59:09
  Speaker 13: for the next year or two, I'm going to be
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: traveling the country talking about the American Revolution. It's just
• 59:15
  Speaker 13: it is such an epic tale of tales. Every single
• 59:18
  Speaker 13: American needs to know it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: And I don't say that lately.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Oh the Bye Senel just begins on Saturday. It doesn't
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: end then. Revolution is Eric's new book, Revolution by Eric
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: with Taxas. Thank you for joining me, Eric, and thank
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: you Adam, thank you Arley, thank you general listener. We'll
• 59:35
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