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271: The Weird Existential Ninth Configuration · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Mike.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the only Dave. For once.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: 180 Studios, which is Mike's home or new relocated office,
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  Speaker 7: or how do you build it? I don't sleep here.
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  Speaker 7: Are you sure? There's no shower. There was a pillow
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  Speaker 7: over there.
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  Speaker 6: There's no shower.
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  Speaker 8: We actually opened our new offices last week, so still
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  Speaker 8: moving in. It's minorly shifted.
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  Speaker 7: You've got Wi-Fi. That's important.
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  Speaker 6: We have Wi-Fi. We have the The new desktop's ordered, so.
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  Speaker 9: You're halfway there.
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  Speaker 3: We're halfway.
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  Speaker 10: And it's beautiful, I should add, since there's no visual
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  Speaker 10: component here.
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  Speaker 7: It's a great space.
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  Speaker 6: And it smells fantastic.
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  Speaker 11: It does.
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  Speaker 10: It smells like new things and possibilities.
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  Speaker 7: It's like magical.
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  Speaker 6: It smells like unicorns.
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  Speaker 3: I want new things and possibilities and new yucky candles.
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  Speaker 3: Combine them with one of those inspirational stores. That's great.
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  Speaker 7: With those framed pictures that you bought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I need that.
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  Speaker 3: It used to be one of those at the mall
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  Speaker 3: where we were at a few years ago.
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  Speaker 7: And I would just walk by it every day and go,
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  Speaker 7: how does this stay in place?
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  Speaker 9: Are there really that.
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  Speaker 7: Many people that get like a check from the office
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  Speaker 7: to like, here, go buy something and hang it on
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  Speaker 7: your wall? Because why would you spend your own money
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  Speaker 7: on that?
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  Speaker 8: Every telemarketing outfit on the planet.
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  Speaker 3: They got it, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Teamwork.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that was like.
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  Speaker 7: Positivity.
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  Speaker 3: I just have this mental image of the owner just like, God,
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  Speaker 3: this was a stupid, stupid idea.
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  Speaker 12: And he just looks up and across me sees Blee
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  Speaker 12: with like the flying eagle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it will.
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  Speaker 7: It'll take off.
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  Speaker 3: It just needs some time. Around 94, 95, and then
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  Speaker 3: the internet came and proved all that stuff wrong. The
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  Speaker 3: internet ruined everything.
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  Speaker 7: There's no positivity. There's no teamwork.
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  Speaker 3: There's just the internet. It might be true, but.
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  Speaker 7: All right, well, as for our.
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  Speaker 3: There is no positivity.
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  Speaker 7: No positivity.
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  Speaker 3: Along with the show.
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  Speaker 7: Let's move on to this week. Our geek activities this
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  Speaker 7: week are planning future geek activities. So, Wonderfest is coming up,
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  Speaker 7: and we will soon be in the middle of it,
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  Speaker 7: I'm assuming, as we usually are, with recording awesome episodes
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  Speaker 7: like we do. So you should plan to head over
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  Speaker 7: there now just for that reason alone. But, you know,
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  Speaker 7: because we have both Dave and Beau here this week,
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  Speaker 7: who have spent many, many years of their life working
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  Speaker 7: in conjunction with Wonderfest. I thought we would let you
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  Speaker 7: guys tell people what you have in store for us
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  Speaker 7: this year.
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  Speaker 3: What do we have in store, Bo? I like you're
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  Speaker 3: going to pass it off to me. Well, you can start.
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  Speaker 12: I was going to say, in the way of guests,
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  Speaker 12: the one that I'm fanboyish.
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  Speaker 3: About is going to be Doug Drexler.
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  Speaker 12: I was going to say, there's a lot of actually
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  Speaker 12: tech guys this year that are coming for our 25th,
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  Speaker 12: just because... 25th is going to be kind of like
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  Speaker 12: a family show in the sense that we at Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 3: Are a family. Kind of a homecoming for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people from way back.
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  Speaker 12: We've got Carol Baumann. We haven't had her in six,
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  Speaker 12: seven years. It's been a while. Bringing back Rick Sternbach
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  Speaker 12: as well. And of course John Eves has become sort
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  Speaker 12: of the yearly tradition coming in.
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  Speaker 3: Just because the man stays busy. Most of these people
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  Speaker 3: are special effects people or designers or Makeup. Drexler is
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  Speaker 3: an interesting character because he started out with makeup.
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  Speaker 12: He started out with makeup and then he got into
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  Speaker 12: shipbuilding and pretty much everything. It's like he's sort of
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  Speaker 12: a renaissance man when it comes to working within the industry.
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  Speaker 12: And I guess that's almost what you have to do nowadays.
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  Speaker 12: It's just you've got to stay multi-talented. That way if
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  Speaker 12: you run out of opportunities with one aspect of your job,
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  Speaker 12: you just hop onto a different one.
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  Speaker 3: Ken Palco is coming back. who is a major prop
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  Speaker 3: builder these days for big movies. He just did Godzilla,
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  Speaker 3: which will be out in a couple weeks. He did
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  Speaker 3: three or four other major pictures this year. I was
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  Speaker 3: just talking to him the other day, and like I said,
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  Speaker 3: one of the most interesting things about what he does
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  Speaker 3: is that it's one of the only facets that's not
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  Speaker 3: threatened by CG these days. An actor still has to
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  Speaker 3: have something to hold, and he's a very good craftsman,
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  Speaker 3: so he makes props that are high-functioning. He did, like,
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  Speaker 3: the phasers for the last Trek movies. They do that
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  Speaker 3: little switch-around deal, and that's real. It really does that.
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  Speaker 3: He does, like, a gas canister type thing, which I
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  Speaker 3: think he did the Oxygen Destroyer for the new Godzilla.
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  Speaker 3: It actually does emit some kind of crazy gas. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have to go in and post all this stuff,
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  Speaker 3: so he's got job security being created like that.
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  Speaker 9: Real physical things?
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  Speaker 7: What is this world?
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  Speaker 3: It's so commonplace, but not anymore. Wonderfest, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: technically a hobby show, a modeling show, but A lot
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  Speaker 3: of our guests in the 25 years we've been in
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  Speaker 3: operation have seen their careers change. Some have ended and
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  Speaker 3: some have been modified drastically by CG and film. So
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  Speaker 3: we're going to kind of talk about a lot of
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  Speaker 3: that at the show as well. But we brought back
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the old school folks. We don't have
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  Speaker 3: any celeb guests this year. We decided to kind of
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  Speaker 3: forego that because everybody and their brother does that.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot out there.
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  Speaker 12: There's enough autograph shows out there where it's like there's
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  Speaker 12: no sense.
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  Speaker 3: In trying to even compete with that.
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  Speaker 12: The meat markets where it's like stand in a line
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  Speaker 12: for this Doctor Who.
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  Speaker 3: And they've got a whole generation of people who are
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  Speaker 3: fans who don't know what it's like to go to
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  Speaker 3: a real show. They just know that they can go
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  Speaker 3: and stand in line for eight hours to meet Stan Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Or pay $ 300 to maybe talk to him for ten minutes.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what we've.
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  Speaker 5: Ever been to.
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  Speaker 12: And then you leave with a piece of paper with
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  Speaker 12: his signature but it's like What else did you do?
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  Speaker 7: You stood in line all day. I know.
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  Speaker 9: I'm at more of these than I need to now.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I just don't have patience for it. I support them
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  Speaker 7: because it's still fandom, and it's definitely shifted, but I
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  Speaker 7: feel like they're still kind of in the same group,
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  Speaker 7: but now it's just such a different, weird business way.
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  Speaker 3: To do it.
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  Speaker 12: The whole idea of standing in line to buy all
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  Speaker 12: these autographs, fandom's become a convenience. So many things in
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  Speaker 12: our culture have just become... centered around convenience what is
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  Speaker 12: easiest it's like i don't have to really you know
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  Speaker 12: interact a lot of people there i can just keep
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  Speaker 12: my head down go in pay my money get this
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  Speaker 12: and go.
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  Speaker 3: Out you're actually buying your experience instead of experiencing your
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  Speaker 3: experience you know you're actually going purchasing it which is
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  Speaker 3: what the society is all about but it literally always
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  Speaker 3: been about you know creativity and and most of our
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  Speaker 3: attendees are modelers or sculptors or artists and they get
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  Speaker 3: to meet people that do that work for film and
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  Speaker 3: comics and other things so.
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  Speaker 12: I don't feel like there are many other conventions to
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  Speaker 12: where it is like a large family reunion for the
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  Speaker 12: modelers and come in, enter the contest every single year
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  Speaker 12: for the crew that gets together along with the guests.
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  Speaker 3: Like, everyone interacts with one another.
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  Speaker 12: There's no, like, you know, idea of, you know, well,
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  Speaker 12: just because I'm a guest, I'm more superior than you
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  Speaker 12: or anything like that. It's just everybody seems to just
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  Speaker 12: get along as one big unit.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody has common, you know, childhood experience when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to this stuff. So we grew up with the same
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  Speaker 3: movies and building the same model. Playing with the same toys.
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  Speaker 3: And some people took it further and became designers. And
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  Speaker 3: it affects people. And some people just maintained a pretty
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  Speaker 3: aggressive hobby. A lot of these guys spent a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money on the show.
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  Speaker 4: A lot.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of money. I see him walking around with
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  Speaker 7: some of those. And those models are not cheap. They're amazing,
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  Speaker 7: but they're not cheap models.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, there are a few, but... Most of the
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  Speaker 9: good ones are high-end stuff.
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  Speaker 12: You see folks loading vans with boxes afterwards, and you
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  Speaker 12: assume it's a dealer. It's like, no, no person just
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  Speaker 12: came here just to buy, just to stock up on
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  Speaker 12: models and split.
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  Speaker 7: Stocked up for the year until the next time.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, like a lot of other things, what
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  Speaker 3: used to be a childhood preoccupation has kind of vanished.
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  Speaker 3: Kids build Lego models now. They're very expensive.
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  Speaker 6: Trust me, I have the Death Star and.
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  Speaker 3: The Millennium Bomb.
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  Speaker 7: They're really cool, but you're done and you're done.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want kids painting with ply and amyl and
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  Speaker 3: using good old model glue anymore. There's been a bounce
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  Speaker 3: back with the styrene industry, so there are companies that
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  Speaker 3: are making cool styrene kits again. They're a little more expensive,
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  Speaker 3: but still kids can come. We always have a make
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  Speaker 3: and take for kids, so kids come and get free models.
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  Speaker 12: And also with the advent now of 3D printing becoming
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  Speaker 12: the next big thing, you might see that cause a
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  Speaker 12: boom to the.
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  Speaker 3: Model industry in and of itself. Designers are getting a
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  Speaker 3: free hand in manufacturing now through 3D printing. There's some
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  Speaker 3: amazing stuff being done. And some of it's still rather expensive,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not going to be up there for long.
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  Speaker 7: So they think at some point that's going to encroach
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  Speaker 7: on there you'll be able to do it at home
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  Speaker 7: in five or eight years three you.
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  Speaker 3: Know startup programs with you know tabletop 3d printers guys.
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  Speaker 12: And they're like three thousand dollars for these tabletop printers
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  Speaker 12: it's pretty amazing what you can buy now it's weird
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  Speaker 12: i mean they've gotten to the point to where they
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  Speaker 12: actually they there's some that print you know food as
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  Speaker 12: well like it's a soy based product or something.
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  Speaker 8: Human organs yeah there'll be a lot of lonely guys
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  Speaker 8: who aren't so lonely That's right.
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  Speaker 7: So I should start saving $ 300, 000 now. Yeah, because they.
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  Speaker 3: Haven't made it to where they can start printing just cells,
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  Speaker 3: live cells.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: They've been battling it for a while.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it was, I guess, about two months ago
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  Speaker 12: that they did the 3D printing of the heart valve
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  Speaker 12: that they put in here in town.
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  Speaker 7: So replicators are real.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I can actually go and order it out of a
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  Speaker 7: box on the wall.
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  Speaker 3: You know, right?
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  Speaker 12: Because again going back to the convenience thing now you
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  Speaker 12: don't even have to go out to the fast food
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  Speaker 12: restaurant to the drive-thru you don't have to interact with
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  Speaker 12: anyone you.
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  Speaker 3: Just just wait 50 minutes and you'll get your printed fry.
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  Speaker 7: All right i'm gonna have to interact with people yes.
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  Speaker 3: We've got the whole the whole modeling aspect of the
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  Speaker 3: technical aspect and then we've got the whole monster kid
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  Speaker 3: thing kids who grew up watching monster movies and horror
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  Speaker 3: films and I've got a lot of that going on
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  Speaker 3: this year with a couple of films we're going to
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  Speaker 3: be running. Corlin Hall always does docs, and he's got
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  Speaker 3: a nice one for this year's Friday show.
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  Speaker 4: Larry, a.k.a. Dr.
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  Speaker 12: Gangrene, is coming back to do a show on Saturday night, too,
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  Speaker 12: which is a horror host show.
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  Speaker 3: It's been, I guess, about three years since he did one.
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  Speaker 3: Two or three years since Larry did one, and we're
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  Speaker 3: doing a Godzilla theme. It's Godzilla's 60th anniversary as well,
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  Speaker 3: so we're going to show a really bad Godzilla movie.
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  Speaker 3: There are no bad ones. No, not really.
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  Speaker 6: I love them all.
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  Speaker 3: Take exception to that. I love them all, but there
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  Speaker 3: is Megalon.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because that focuses more on... It's bad, and I love it.
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  Speaker 3: What is the robot's name? I can't remember. Jet Jaguar.
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  Speaker 3: Jet Jaguar. It's not even an appealing robot. He's a very...
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  Speaker 3: He's smiling too widely. He's like, Jack Nicholson is a robot.
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  Speaker 7: Just a bastard.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to try to have the world's largest interactive
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  Speaker 3: Jet Jaguar song. Sing along. That'd be fun. It is
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: a really fun picture. Good Lord, I've gone black. Robert Tunnell,
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  Speaker 3: who's a filmmaker who's done a lot of work, he's
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  Speaker 3: done a really cool documentary about the whole social phenomenon
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  Speaker 3: of the monster kid generation starting in the late 50s
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  Speaker 3: through the 70s and how it was all fueled by
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  Speaker 3: famous monsters and monster models. It's a good piece. He's
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  Speaker 3: been working on it for three or four years.
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  Speaker 12: He was one of the people involved in doing the
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  Speaker 12: monster kid home memories assemblage a.
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  Speaker 3: Few years ago.
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  Speaker 4: That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: So he's going to have that finished up. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of neat stuff. So we're covering a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: everything this year. It's part of our big anniversary. That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing that the show lasted that long, this kind
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  Speaker 3: of a show.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, in a way, it.
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  Speaker 7: In Louisville. Well, that's part of the issue, too. No,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it is interesting going to that one versus
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  Speaker 7: other ones because it really does have the family feel.
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  Speaker 7: But number one, you have that where there are people
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  Speaker 7: bringing their kids now that they've been going here so long.
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  Speaker 7: But just in general, like you said, I mean, I've
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  Speaker 7: been going to it as long as I can remember now.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know, most of my life.
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  Speaker 7: And it is like it is the same feeling you
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  Speaker 7: get every time. And it's the same vendors, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you saw last year. But it does have that, like,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know, you do get kind of nostalgic once
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  Speaker 7: you get in there.
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  Speaker 9: You're like, oh, yeah, I remember that guy.
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  Speaker 7: And it does take you back to those years.
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  Speaker 3: And not switching venues every single year I think helps
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  Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, we've been at, well, the Crowne Plaza now.
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  Speaker 3: We've been there since 96.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a long run. Got along well with those folks.
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  Speaker 3: It's like going home. It's a very second home feeling.
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  Speaker 3: If I had to keep moving around, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if I would have stuck with it this long.
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  Speaker 7: It's hard to start over.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice.
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  Speaker 7: Figure things out every time, I would assume. I don't
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  Speaker 7: want to do that. So more power to you guys
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  Speaker 7: for continuing to keep it going.
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  Speaker 3: Because we're facing a lot of, it's not direct competition,
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  Speaker 3: but it's becoming a show world where everybody and their
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  Speaker 3: brother is getting into this business. And Comic-Con gets tossed
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  Speaker 3: around constantly. We just had the Wizard show. And then
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: what I call the Derby City Comic-Con, which I actually
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  Speaker 3: appreciate because it's local guys.
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  Speaker 9: And it's been going on for years.
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  Speaker 7: It's been going on for a while.
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  Speaker 3: And they're coming up, what are they, in July, I think?
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  Speaker 7: I think so. I've seen the posters.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fun little show. Going to two days this year.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to see more of that.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, but that's the whole thing, especially now that it's
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  Speaker 12: shifted towards those other types of conventions, when people hear,
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  Speaker 12: you know, we're throwing one together, that's what they start
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  Speaker 12: to ask about.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, what autograph guest? Which Doctor Who are you
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  Speaker 3: going to get?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 12: What cast members from The Walking Dead Season 1 only
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  Speaker 12: are you going to get?
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  Speaker 5: No offense.
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  Speaker 7: You can afford Axel.
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  Speaker 9: Come on, anybody can afford Axel.
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  Speaker 3: And who? Who's the one guy.
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  Speaker 7: Take your pick. Michael Worker's everywhere. Norman Reedus will bring
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  Speaker 7: in Droves.
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  Speaker 3: Norman, how many times a year do you have to
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: meet Norman Reedus?
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  Speaker 7: Depends.
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  Speaker 3: He's everywhere.
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  Speaker 9: Are you a girl that doesn't get out of the
• 15:29
  Speaker 9: house much?
• 15:30
  Speaker 14: Maybe.
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: If you buy yourself a 3D printer, then you won't
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: need that.
• 15:35
  Speaker 12: This is the type of show where you'll have people
• 15:37
  Speaker 12: like John Eves or Eric Chu and these guys who
• 15:40
  Speaker 12: design major things where once they start listing their credits
• 15:43
  Speaker 12: and what they've designed for the shows that they work for,
• 15:45
  Speaker 12: it's amazing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: And then after they're done talking.
• 15:48
  Speaker 12: They'll stick around for, you know, one, two hours and
• 15:50
  Speaker 12: be like, come on down to my table or join
• 15:52
  Speaker 12: me for, you know, a drink or something. This is
• 15:54
  Speaker 12: how I got into it. I was a guy like
• 15:56
  Speaker 12: you 10 years ago just sitting there, and this is
• 15:58
  Speaker 12: how I did it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: You can do it too. I mean, they're very just,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: you know, interactive.
• 16:02
  Speaker 12: I mean, there's no table barriers and a lot of
• 16:05
  Speaker 12: people separating you from getting.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: To know them. What's been the biggest.
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: Obstacle or the biggest headache when bringing in celebrity guests?
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Why have you chosen not to do it this year?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Obstacle of, I mean, just there's so much competition now.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Now it's competition. Now, because we have the mega shows,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: they are used to, I think, a certain level of compensation.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: And it's always been, ever since people started charging for autographs, which,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: you know, grew out of the sports industry, we understood
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: that was going to be a.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Part of it.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Now, our biggest guests were never guests that charged. Like,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: our biggest guests in the past were Ray Harryhausen, He
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: had lines for hours. And George Romero. I got George
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Romero right on the cusp of the zombie thing coming back.
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: That was well before any of the other shows.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I got George for gas money. George and his assistant
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: drove down with his son. He wanted to come to
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: the model show. And now if you want to get George, well,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: you're looking at an initial $ 10, 000 outlay if that's going
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to work or not. And they've come to expect that.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And there's an industry minimum now of around $ 7, 500 a year.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: guarantee on autographs. And I can't guarantee that a lot
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: of the time because people come to my show to
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: buy model kits and show off their artwork. There's contests
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and all this. They'd love to meet the celebs and
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: they don't mind paying $ 10, $ 20 for a nice autograph.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: But this whole mega show world where, you know, people
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: are getting $ 100 or $ 150 to sign an autograph. That's
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: not something that's going to fly at Wonderfest. Because the
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: people are bringing their money to buy the bottles.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: And the bump happened recently. It went from $ 20 to
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: $ 60 on a lot of people that I'm like, really?
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: That's because of the influx of what I call the neofan.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: There are all the kids and 20-somethings who are into
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Doctor Who and Walking Dead and everything else. Hey, it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: great that they're into it, but it's like they just
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: suddenly discovered this is out there and it's got a
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: long history. And I get bitter. I feel like an
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: old soldier. I'm a geek from way back and I
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: feel like, well, I fought hard and was punched around
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: the playground. And now you all benefit from this, but
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't get much out of it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: Back in my day.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Culture has shifted. I mean, what used to be fringe
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: culture is now the culture.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: It's become a big part of it. I'm still like
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the only big Dick Tracy fan in Louisville.
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: It's all you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: I would agree with that.
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: I think you're selling yourself short. I think you could
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: expand that geographic.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: He's tried. I think you're the only one maybe in
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: the world. If I go up to Chicago, last.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Year was my first year at Wonderfest.
• 18:51
  Speaker 15: Never.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: And I've always been a fan. But never either, either.
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: Missed it, been busy doing other things, and then finally
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: heard about it a week later. A week after it was.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Again, that's an issue with our town more than anything.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: It's just trying to get the word out to people.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: We've been around a long time. We hit all the media,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: but it's just there's a lot vying for people's attention.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: A lot of people think it's a pigeonhole sort of
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: just model kit thing. And it's a little bit of everything.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I still have people all the time. You
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: do what? When is this?
• 19:19
  Speaker 12: It's the same when I do stuff at the theater, too.
• 19:21
  Speaker 12: It's like, you know, just change it to where it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: like Louisville, the city of best-kept secrets.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Basically. That's all it is.
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: Anytime somebody does, like, some sort of, you know, art
• 19:29
  Speaker 12: show or anything, it's like you find.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: Out about it the week after.
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: And if you're in, as most of us have grown
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: up and many of us have families now, if you're
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: trying to wedge it in between soccer games and baseball
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: games and.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: You know, traveling here and doing, you know, we are
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: just never have time.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, the majority of our attendees. I insisted last
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: year that we would. system.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Most of our folks are out-of-towners because it's a holdover
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: from the late 80s, early 90s when the whole garage
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: kit industry kind of kicked off. Came out of Japan
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and came over here. And there were more shows back then.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: There was actually a West Coast show. Chiller, which is
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: still a big show in New York, But they've shifted
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: mostly over into being a celebrity con. So there were
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: a few more, but it was kind of a big
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: hobby for a while, a big adult hobby. And Wonderfest
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: just kind of clicked because of our location. It's pretty
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: central to a lot of places. And most of the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: guys just happen to live here who got into it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: Well, what most people don't know is, you know, I
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: took my two children and my wife.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: The three of them are not.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: Huge fans, but they had a ball.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: It's really neat stuff. Even if you're not a model builder,
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: or even if you're not a.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: Geek who got beat.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Up on the playground like we all did, there's still
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: something for everyone.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: It's just a lot of fun. It's a nice family event.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: It is, and that's kind of rare. We've got folks.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: We've got cosplayers. God, I hate that word. We've got
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: folks walking around in costumes. We've got... guys doing demonstrations.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They're all free with admission. Make and take workshops. Make
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and take for kids. I've got two arenas of programming
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: going on upstairs all day, both days. We've got after
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: hours events with movies and stuff like that. A little
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: bit of fun for everybody. We get a little covered
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: up sometimes, a little worn out before the show hits,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: but then that weekend hits and the energy starts to
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: buck up. Suddenly it's like, I'm home.
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: I'm dragging through my school days on four hours sleep,
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: and then on Winterfest weekend, it's like, I don't need sleep.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: No, no sleep. So it's been a long road, but
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: it's nice to still be here. It's nice to have
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: as many really cool guests to draw from as we do.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: So it was actually kind of hard this year. We've
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: got a lot of folks coming in, so it's like, okay,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: how many can we bring in?
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: That's actually gotten to the point to where we have
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: guests we've had in previous years saying, I'd like to
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: come back.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I think that says a lot when you get that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I noticed Eric is back on the list. Eric's
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: lying himself down.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I can't get rid of Eric.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Which Eric.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: He just wants to come hang out with me.
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: He'll deny it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: No, he loves you.
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: And last year, he had an entire box of art
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: prints that got shipped to him late and sort of
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: arrived like Sunday night or something.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I think it was Monday morning.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: When he was getting ready to check out the hotel.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: That's handy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: And he's like, well, I don't feel like dragging these back. Just, here,
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: you can have them. If I ever come back, you
• 22:27
  Speaker 12: can coat my... hotel room with him for all I care.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay. So they're still in my garage.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: You're like duly noted.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Noted and waiting.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm sure we will attempt to rope him
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: into something. It's in the works.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: This is Eric Chu, who's of course one of the
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: primary designers for Battlestar Galactica. The reimagining from a few
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: years ago.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: And regular on MovieMill. I think we're just going to
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: induct him as an honorary cast member as of this year.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: But I guess if they haven't been sold yet, where
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: would they go on the old internets there to find
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: out more about it?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Thunderfest.com.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: There you go.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: What weekend?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It will be May 31st and the 1st. Thank you. Technically,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: we have stuff going on that Friday before. The show
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: proper doesn't start, but I've got events going on Friday night,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: and then we have second-party guys who do really intensive
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: events demos that are paid demos where you can go
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: in and you can get a free really cool monster
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: bust and get the use of an airbrush and they'll
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: teach you all day how to do painting and building
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and sculpting and those are all independently run as part
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: of the show and those are all there's information about
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: all of those on the website as well that's.
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: The other thing too is just so you have the
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: autograph shows people just go and they split and that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: it but at wonderfest it's like find a hotel room.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: There's something going on. I don't mean like that either.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, sure, everyone's in the office. Mostly the geek
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: stuff would win out with that crowd. They're just like, yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: that stuff, whatever. But I'd rather go see them make
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: this model kit over here.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Go up to this room and get buzzed on airbrush fumes.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: It's that kind of party.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty unique. And like most shows, they're 9-to-5s now.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Creation cons, things like that. get in line at 9,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: get out in line at 5. It doesn't happen with us.
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: It's just hang around from Friday night until Sunday night,
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: and there's stuff going on everywhere.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. As far as getting back to why we
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: don't have celebs this year, I mean, we attempted to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: talk to a couple people because we wanted somebody different,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: people who aren't on the circuit. So we were talking
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: to Jessica Harper for a while, and she was interested.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: It's just like she's got so many things going on
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: in her family right now. It was an anniversary for
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Phantom of the Paradise. Oh, perfect. And they're releasing that
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Blu-ray later this summer, too.
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And I'll still try to get her if I can,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: because she's somebody I've always wanted to have at the show.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Done a lot of cool work, both genre and out
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: of genre.
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: She writes children's books and cookbooks, and she'd fit right
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: into the family environment.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: They just try to go for someone who's not out
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: there already in the meat market.
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: And try to convince them. It's like, yeah, it's not
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: just a sit there and look bored and sign autograph show, because...
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: That's the thing, too, is you go to some of
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: these shows, like I went to Mad Monster Party, not
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: last year, but the year before, and you had everyone
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: lining up for, like, you know, Kane Hodder and all
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: these guys who, you know, Tyler Maine, stuff like that,
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: where they're always just in masks.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: The latest guy in the mask. I know it is.
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: It's the latest guy in the mask. Everybody's lined up
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: with him. It's like they're at every single convention. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: then I look over, and the main person that I
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: went there just to see was Mary Warrenoff, who's just
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: sitting there looking at her watch like, is anyone going
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: to come to my table? So I just sat and
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: talked to her for like 30 minutes.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the same thing that kind of happened with
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Corman when he was in Lowell a few years ago.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I think we were sitting there for like two or
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: three hours. I got to spend two days with Roger Corman.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Because not that many people were lining up to see him.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: That's right. I was in the line with like five
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: other people.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: They're out the door to see this guy who's a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: nice enough guy. But this is Roger Carman.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: That's shocking.
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: It is.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I give Ken credit for trying. But,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: because Roger's not a cheap guest. Otherwise, I'd have him.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: But it was great to see him. That's where Roger's smart,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: because Roger's always been smart.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And it was a great privilege to spend all that
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: time with him. But, you know, every time somebody would
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: come up, he'd break off and try to do his
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: best to make that money back for Kelly. But I
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: don't think he came close. But we got to talk
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: about his acid trips and why they dubbed Barbara Steele and,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you know, all kinds of fun stuff. And he got
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: to yell at all of the would-be filmmakers. You're all
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: making the same damn movie. It was great to hear
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: him say.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: That, so.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: That is fun, actually. He was pretty nice when I
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: talked to him.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good guy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: He's a good guy.
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: He's Harry Dean Stanton's age.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: They were both born in 1926.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize they were both that high up.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: It's kind of a magic year. There's a lot of
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: people that were born that year that are still doing
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: their thing. Harry Dean Stanton was.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Born that year.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: I don't think I'm familiar with him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: He was born that year.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: How do you spell that?
• 27:16
  Speaker 16: Harry.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Harry Dean.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: Harry Dean.
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: It's so funny you should actually ask that. There's a
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: festival in his honor that happens in Lexington.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Is there really?
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: When does that happen?
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's coming up, too. That's June 13th through the 15th.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Why in Lexington? Why Kentucky?
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: I'll tell you. It's funny you should ask that, though.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: He was born in West Urban and then went to
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: high school at Lafayette High School in Lexington, Kentucky, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 15: then went to the University of Kentucky and caught the
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: acting bug at the Guignol Theater before he moved out
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: to Los Angeles.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: So you could go to Wonderfest.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: You could.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: And then take a weekend break, which you probably need.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: Get some rest.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: Get some rest, and then the Harry Dean Stanley Fest
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: the following weekend. I feel like that sounds like a
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: pretty top-notch tune. So the tourism board is a proud sponsor.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: They can send that check right over. We will plug
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: all events coming up. Somebody just.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: By chance, do you all have anything programmed yet in
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: your mind?
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: Again, Beau, you're really firing on all cylinders today. We do.
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: We have three days of programming opening night since Brian
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: wasn't going to ask this.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: Yours is a different week.
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: But you can have this.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: We'll go to town. Do you want me to sit out?
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: I can sit out on this.
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: Go to town.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, please.
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: So opening night is going to be Cool Hand Luke
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: outside at the Triangle Park in beautiful downtown Lexington.
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: That is a free event. Saturday is John Carpenter Day.
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: All free events until the evening.
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: We're doing Christine at the Farish Theater in the afternoon
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: and then Escape from New York at 7 p.m.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: At the Farish Theater.
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: And then there's going to be an Escape from New
• 28:48
  Speaker 15: York after party where a band called Palisades, who have
• 28:50
  Speaker 15: sort of been the unofficial band, I guess they're.
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: Totally official at this point, the official band.
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: Of Faridine's Dance Fest, is going to do like a 70s,
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: 80s New York City sort of CBGB style tribute to
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: Escape from New York.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I know. Wow.
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: Mike, that was such an exciting face.
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: And at that point in time, while we've been going
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: to all the festivities, they've constructed a wall around Lexington.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: You actually can't get out from Lexington.
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: And then Sunday we're showing the Missouri Breaks, also free,
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: also at the Parrish Theater in the afternoon. And then
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: in the evening we're showing Dillinger, John Milius' Dillinger, starring
• 29:24
  Speaker 15: Michelle Phillips and also another Kentuckian, Warren Oates.
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: And Michelle Phillips is going to be there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: Not charging for autographs, but just hanging out and talking about.
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: Her 40-year friendship.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Your grandmother should attend.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: Is your grandma a big Michelle Phillips fan?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: No, my grandmother apparently is. to date Warren, I would say.
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: Oh, really?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. She dated some interesting people.
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: She also apparently dated Freddie Blassie, and I remember she
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: was talking.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: What?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And her exact comment, she.
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: Said, Oh, yeah, Freddie and I were together for some months.
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: And he used to like to wrestle outside of the ring, too.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, God. Grandma, Grandma, no. She's hard
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: to book.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: She's got a price tag attached from right here. Yeah, right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: We're still waiting for that funding to kick in for
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: all these things, man.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Apparently, when Warren Oates was at UofL, she was at UofL.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: And he was always kind of a wild man.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Apparently she was. She's a preacher's daughter, isn't she?
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: That's trouble.
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: Well, that's fantastic.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It's traumatizing to date. Well, it's cool that you're spreading
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it out and having the John Carpenter thing, too. It's
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: kind of neat.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah!
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: We invited Mr. Carpenter, also with Kentucky ties. He will
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: not be joining us this year, but perhaps one day.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: Does he not know we're best friends with Fred? I mean,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: he should come hang out with that Poor child that
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: he traumatized.
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: I feel that way, too. I feel like he does
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: to the family.
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: I didn't go to the front night that he was there,
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: but I heard that he was kind of soured at
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: that event.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it was one of the first of
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the shows that he decided to go to because it's
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: gotten to that point where, well, I kind of need
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to go to shows to get some income.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And I think it was a sizable price tag to
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: get John, probably $ 20, 000 or more.
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: He wasn't charging a ton, though, which I was surprised by.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he had plenty of lines.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the line was there, but I expected him to
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: actually be charging more than he was, so that was
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: kind of nice from my end.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: We tried years ago to get John to come to Wonderfest,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: and I thought I had an in because my cousin's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: wife's parents were friends of him and his parents, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: they even got to go socially in Bowling Green. I thought, boy...
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Craig will get this going.
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: You work any angle you got.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you. He was not interested in coming to a show.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Too bad, because he has a vast audience of people
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: who grew up with his movies. Good stuff.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: So with that, have we gotten the plugs out?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: I was waiting for yours to kick in.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I've been waiting.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: That was my job. I should have asked the pointed question.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: You don't have anything you're working on now, Mike, do you?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, not at all.
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: So Pleased to Meet Me is now available on iTunes.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: Just search iTunes Pleased to Meet Me. Also, just recently
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: did a podcast with Film Specific, Stacey Parks of Film
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: Specific on iTunes distribution.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: And so that's it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: If you're wondering how to get your film on iTunes
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: and wondering how to keep it on iTunes, it's a
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: good podcast to listen to. Not a conflicting podcast or anything.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: I don't trust those other podcasts, but what have you seen?
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: Film Specific is a great service. Anybody who doesn't know
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: about it should know about it. Definitely pleased to meet
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: me on iTunes.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: $ 12.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: 99 plus tax. Support Indie Film.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: This is how we make another movie. It's by selling
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: the first movie.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Most definitely.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: It's part of the system.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: That wouldn't be by none other than Archie Borders, would it?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: My partner, Archie Borders.
• 33:10
  Speaker 10: Two stars in this movie.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Well, it's funny you should ask.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Are we in Archie's office? Is he going to have
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: space down here?
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: The Incredible John Doe.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: Friend of Movie Meltdown.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: Pleased to meet you. Friend of Movie Meltdown.
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: And future guest of Harry Dean Stanton.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: That's right, that's right. Also, Amy Mann, who's a favorite
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: of just about everybody.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: Who loitered out in front of my house for a while.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: Wow. Several times.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: Amy's fantastic.
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Amy is fantastic. She's actually retweeting all of our tweets,
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: which is fantastic.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: She actually responded to me that day. I was like,
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: quit following me around, David.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: She was like, oh, sorry about that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: I was surprised.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Amy's great. She had only done Big Lebowski, and then.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Portlandia.
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: She did an episode of Portlandia. And then other than
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: some music video stuff, she had never really acted before.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: But she was a champ throughout that entire movie. She
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: just took the bull by the horns and really showed
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: people how to do it. She came prepared every single day.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: She knew her lines.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: She knew her marks.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: She was great.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Loved working with her.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: Joe Henry, another one who was just a real calming
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: presence on the set.
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: Loudon Wainwright, He was really good. Loudon is amazing.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, his scenes were really cool.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Loudon is amazing.
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: And so to watch him through the eyepiece, you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm worried about 15 other things. It's Archie's
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: job to worry about his performance. I'm worried about the
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: other stuff. And so finally getting to see all the
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: nuances of his performance in the films. It has really
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: been a lot of fun because I pick up something
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: new every time I watch it. And trust me, I've
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: seen it about 400 times. But I never get tired
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: of it. So, $ 12. 99 plus tax on iTunes.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Pleased to meet me. Buy it today.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And if folks watch carefully, they'll see Brian.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: It's true.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I might just be in there for a second. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: figured you would have cut me out just for that
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: very reason.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely.
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: We cut a lot of people out, but you were
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: not one of them. You were in there.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: I'll take it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: For now.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: For now.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: Until I get my starring role in one of the
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: upcoming features. But we'll see how that goes.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Well, we have two more of the works. All right.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: So now we've gotten our promotion out of the way.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: We can move into the.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: But wait, there's more.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: And if you act now, we'll throw in a free
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: Ginsu knife. Where are we going with these?
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Let's take a break here and come back with this
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: week's feature.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Hang on St.
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: Christopher to the smoke in the arm Buckle down the
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: rumble seat, let the radiator form Got an overhead dial
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: shift and a two dollar grill Got an 85 cabin
• 36:08
  Speaker 16: on an.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: 85 hill Hang on St.
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: Christopher on the passenger side Open it up at night,
• 36:15
  Speaker 16: the devil can ride.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Hang on St.
• 36:18
  Speaker 16: Christopher with a barrel house dog.
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: And now, before the next show starts, let's.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Enjoy an intermission.
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: You'll find our snack bar chock full of good.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Things to eat and drink.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Tasty, tempting hot.
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: Dogs, thirst-quenching soft drinks, fresh, crunchy popcorn, a complete assortment
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: of delicious candy, and a full.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Line of cigarettes.
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: You've plenty of time, so visit the snack bar now.
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: A tasty treat will double your enjoyment of the show.
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: For your convenience, we shall keep you informed of the
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: remaining intermission time.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: In 1998, six million violent incidents took place in American
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: high schools, including 29,927 teacher fatalities. The public school system
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: has been reduced to a battlefield. But the Board of
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Education has just found a solution.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Tommy!
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: The perfect solution. You're next, Mr.
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: Cope.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: For the class of 1999. Where are you? The class
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: of 1999.
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: These androids were supposed to educate the students.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Battle droids, Miles. Battle droids. To graduate is to survive.
• 37:44
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• 37:50
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• 37:53
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• 37:56
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• 37:59
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• 38:03
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• 38:07
  Speaker 11: Doo-Wop Shop. We're serious about music.
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: So as I said, we've been to the Chicago Wizard
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: World before, so they've got quite a few. They've got
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: a lot.
• 38:31
  Speaker 15: They're all over the country.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: That's what I was going to say. Since they're inviting
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: us to hang around here, I thought we would go
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: ahead and give the rundown. That's the difference with this
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: one is it's not just in one city. It's something
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: they've done kind of everywhere now. They've sort of taken over.
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: So you can go to WizardWorld.com and find out where
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: they are in the near future. The rundown of the
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: upcoming ones, Minneapolis in May. The end of May into
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: June is Atlanta. You've got Philadelphia after that, San Antonio,
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: back to Chicago, Richmond. So it's like anywhere in this
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: general part of the country, you know, the United States.
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: Are you stopping at Richmond because we've got more to go?
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Oh, there's plenty.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: Nashville, Austin, Ohio. I kind of just, Ohio is just generalized.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: You know that state. But anyway, yes, you can go
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: to wizardworld.com and find out where the next show will.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Be near you.
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: You should definitely go.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: Come hang out. That's what we're doing.
• 39:24
  Speaker 17: Definitely check out wizardworld.com for all of your wizard world
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: type needs.
• 39:29
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• 40:11
  Speaker 13: Hi, this is Tom Adkins, or Detective Ray Cameron. You're
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: listening to Movie Meltdown. Thrill me, baby.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: It's part of your.
• 40:26
  Speaker 17: Problem, you know.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Are answered in the movies.
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: And now, on with the show.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm ready for my inklight test now. It absolutely
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: flips me. Now, while you're fresh with all those roses
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: in your cheeks. It's a psychiatrist!
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: My God, Rick!
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Help me!
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Casablanca. All right, Katshaw, please sit down. What do you see?
• 41:06
  Speaker 18: An old woman in funny clothes blowing poison darts at
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: a buffalo.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Bison.
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: My whole life rushing past me in an instant.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: This one?
• 41:23
  Speaker 18: Kafka talking to a bedbug.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: You're full of shit, you know that?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I thought it was Kafka. You wouldn't know Kafka from
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Betty Davis.
• 41:32
  Speaker 18: And you, you're a mental case.
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: Yes, maybe I am.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Ingratiating bastard.
• 41:38
  Speaker 18: Do you always play kiss-ass with the loonies?
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: No.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: I like you, Cain.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: You're regular.
• 41:44
  Speaker 19: San Antonio, it's really good to see you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 20: It's been a while, but you've been on my mind.
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: I've seen your rolling hills and winding rivers. So clear
• 42:06
  Speaker 19: that I could almost make them mine. I can almost
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: see the old Bandera Highway Stretching out of Puerto Mexico
• 42:26
  Speaker 19: And the times we used to walk down by.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: The river.
• 42:33
  Speaker 19: Now it seems like such a long, long time ago
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: but you've been on my mind.
• 42:55
  Speaker 20: I've been a lot of places, but I think I've
• 43:00
  Speaker 20: always known one day I'd come back to San Antonio.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: All right, welcome back to Moving Out Down Sofa Theater.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: This week's Sofa Theater feature is The Ninth Configuration. The
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: year is 1980. Director William Peter Blatty. The plot, according
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: to IMDb, it's as good as it always is on there.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: A new commanding officer arrives at a remote castle serving
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: as an insane asylum for crazy and AWOL U.S. Army soldiers,
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: which already that's kind of wrong, where he attempts to
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: rehabilitate them by allowing them to live out their crazy
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: fantasies while combating his own long-suppressed insanity.
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: Spoiler alert.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. So, yeah, we'll throw out the spoiler alert now.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: We probably are going to ruin the whole thing. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: this is an often overlooked and sometimes completely forgotten movie.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: So you probably should.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Go watch it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: I'd say it's worth watching, especially if you like anybody
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: involved in it. It's definitely worth seeing. So you've been warned.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Spoiler alert. Go watch it right now. But before we
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: get into our thoughts on the movie, we actually have
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: not one but two trips to the old vaults. Yes,
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: in preparation for this episode, I've talked to two different
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: actors from this film. The first of which is arguably
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: the lead in the film, but we can get to
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: that later. First up, we talked to, just a few
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: weeks ago in fact, Scott Wilson. And I will warn
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: you now, it's a very quick discussion on the ninth configuration.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: And basically, we kept getting distracted. And it's sometimes by
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: weird fans. Speaking of bad convention fans, as that woman
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: jumped on him and made him pick her up in
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: the air. He's not a young guy. Don't make him
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: lift you up.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: This was a grown woman.
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: For God's sakes. Yeah, weird fans. So they were bugging
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: him half the time. And so it got a little
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: segmented anyway, dealing with them. So it's not as focused
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: or as long as I would have liked it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: But again, he'd been there all day.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: He was worn out.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: So.
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Let's see what he at least had to say on
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: his take with 9th Configuration. What your memories were on
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: making that one.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, they were incredible.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: 17 weeks we were in Budapest and surrounding, like in
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Germany and Vienna and Austria. So that was, you know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that was another great experience.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: And then William Peter Blatty, I guess, what was he
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: like as a director and a writer?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I loved working with him. He's a great writer, director,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and I love him as a person.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: Was there any, like, again, that being a weird situation,
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: any specific stories you remember of stuff going on on
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: the set during that one?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: You know, there's so many I couldn't get into. If
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I was told one, it would open up a whole
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: door for.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: For a way too long interview.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Definitely. Right.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But let's just say that the cast of The Night
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Configuration was wonderful. I really enjoyed working with them.
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: So other than that, he seemed to have a good
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: experience with it, but yeah, we didn't quite get to
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: some of those other stories, which wasn't really his fault.
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: It wasn't the best of circumstances. So maybe somewhere down
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: the line we'll sit down with him and get more
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: of that. But I also, in fact, quite a while back,
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: When I first started planning this episode, that's the sad part,
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: is I've been planning this one for years now. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: talked with Tom Adkins, who did have some stories, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: it's pretty damn entertaining. So let's see what Tom has
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: to say.
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: It was an impressive cast. It was a hell of
• 46:46
  Speaker 13: a script, too. It was a wonderful script. Unfortunately, I
• 46:49
  Speaker 13: don't think William Peter Pilati got the movie he wrote
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: on the screen. And It was crazy. It was one
• 46:57
  Speaker 13: of the most insane jobs I've ever had in my life.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: And here's why.
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: Ordinarily, my part would have worked two weeks in the States,
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: but he wanted a big ensemble effort in the acting thing.
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: He took all these guys, 22 guys, to Budapest, Hungary,
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: For two and a half months, we ended up in
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: that half month in Austria, shooting the end of it. Well,
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: the final scene, I don't know if it was the
• 47:29
  Speaker 13: actual end of the movie, but two months in Hungary
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: and a half a month in Austria. He had a
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: bunch of crazed men after a while. It was insanity.
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: I always thought a movie about the making of that
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: movie would have been a better movie than the movie
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: we ended up making.
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: Sometimes they end up like that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wonderful cast, though. Great guys.
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: Joe Spinell and Jason Miller and Moses Gunn, Neville Brand,
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: Bob Loja, George DiCenzo. Oh, it was a swell bunch
• 48:12
  Speaker 13: of fellas. And Stacy Keach, Scott Wilson.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: Good hell of a group you know stacy keach was
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: not the original guy though nicole williamson was the original
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: guy but he only he lasted a week and a
• 48:27
  Speaker 13: half in budapest and then threw everything out of the
• 48:31
  Speaker 13: hotel window and got kicked out of the country we
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: had to start over again that's the truth what prompted
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: it There weren't any cell phones in those days. 78,
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: you had to talk, you know, and you depended on
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: their phone system. We were behind the Iron Curtain at
• 48:49
  Speaker 13: the time. We were not friends with Russia at the time.
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: But Russia controlled Hungary. And everybody was paranoid because you
• 48:59
  Speaker 13: would have these KGB guys following you down the street,
• 49:02
  Speaker 13: going into the bar, sitting next to you, asking you
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: stupid questions.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: And.
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: And the worst was you'd be in the middle of
• 49:14
  Speaker 13: a phone conversation with your wife in California and it
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: would end.
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: It would just be over.
• 49:20
  Speaker 20: You're done.
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: And for no reason. And I guess Nicole was having
• 49:24
  Speaker 13: some troubles in England. Family, I don't know if he
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: was going through a divorce or what, but one phone
• 49:34
  Speaker 13: call too many ended in the middle of a desperate conversation,
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: I guess. And he threw everything in his hotel room
• 49:42
  Speaker 13: out the front window. Everything that would fit went out
• 49:46
  Speaker 13: the window. And that was the end. That was it
• 49:49
  Speaker 13: for him.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: I would think that would do it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Something like that happened all the way to me.
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Not the rock stars, though, was it?
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: It was a grip.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Completely out of control.
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: Bunch of weirdos.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: He told him, get a grip. I never heard any
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: really detailed account. It was a difficult production, but I
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: never heard any stories.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: That's what I've heard.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever heard about Nicole Williamson, which
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: is very interesting since she showed up in Exorcist 3.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing. I think Vladdy really loved him
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: as an actor. He had a big thing with him
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: on stage. He loved his stage work.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: And then.
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: He lost it there, but I think he had always
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: wanted to get it, which I think he had said
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: he actually had Keech in mind first, but he just
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: had such a love for his acting that he tried
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: to bring Nicole in, and that didn't work out. So, yeah,
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: I guess that's how Exorcist 3 came back around for him.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: But I guess thank you to both of them for
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: sharing their stories, and Tom definitely had some entertaining stories.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: As we get into it, I thought I was the
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: only one that loved bringing visual gags to an audio show.
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: I also have this. Dave, I think you have something, too.
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: But this ties to you, and this is the reason
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: this has been yours in the making. The reason I
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: knew about this movie was from you.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: And it was odd.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: We'd already set this up. I'd already scheduled it out
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: with you guys. And earlier this week, in a box,
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: I ran across this VHS tape that I bought because
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: you recommended.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It to me. It's a really cheap one.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: Very cheap.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: From Suncoast. It's an EP. It feels pretty heavy.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: I think it was a better quality for this restaurant.
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: They made quality stuff.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's SP.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: It is, yeah. I remember days where you could tell EP. Oh, yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: This is an SP. I remember this hitting the bargain wall.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: It was a lot of Anchor Bay stuff.
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: Which used to be junk. It's funny how much later
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: they started becoming pretty good at putting out stuff.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I remember getting excited when that came in because I
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: had only seen rental copies before. And I was like, oh, yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: you've got to watch this. It's a really cool movie.
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: You can get it on DVD for about $ 17 now, though.
• 52:00
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: You don't necessarily have to watch this VHS tape of mine.
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: We're going to pass it around the Internet.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: But I did not see it when it came out.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I remember Louisville, I think we talked about it on
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: other shows, Louisville used to be a major test market
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: for film. They considered us to be, you know, middle America.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: And a lot of studios would have.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Preview screenings here, test screenings. And they would quiz the audiences.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: You'd fill out forms and do interviews sometimes. And I
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: remember Ninth Configuration getting a big push here at Showcase.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: It was like a special advanced preview. And of course,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: they were doing their best to try to make it
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: look creepy and scary. because it's from The Exorcist Guide.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: William Peter Blatty. Just like they tried to do the
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: same thing with Sorcerer, with William Friedkin's movie.
• 52:47
  Speaker 9: Which did not work.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: But I remember seeing the artwork and seeing the really
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: weird TV commercials for 9th Configuration where they were keeping
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: it about as obscure as possible and being intrigued, but
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I didn't see it until, I
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: think I saw it on cable. And then we had
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: a festival at the Vogue where it was the greatest
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: movies no one has ever seen.
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: Which, it's amazing how much I still run across those.
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: As much as we've.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Talked about stuff. You know, I'm trying to remember what
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: the other ones were. We had some good stuff. I'll
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: have to actually go through the calendar and see. But
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: it was a month-long thing. A different movie every month.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: And I honestly can't remember. But the one I was
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: really pushing for was Ninth Configuration. When it came time
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: to try to find a print, we could not find
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: a print. So we got William Peter Blatty's print. No kidding.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Got his personal print. Got in touch with him through
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: the booker. And he's like, yeah, whatever standard rental is,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: just take care of it. And it was his print,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: which is the sort of slightly alternate cut, which is
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: the one that's on DVD now. And we watched that
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: after hours a couple times, and then with the screening,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: I think we ran it two or three times. And
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: that's the first time I saw it.
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: What's so funny is that when you mentioned this film,
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: I thought, oh, when am I going to have time
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: to squeeze in a film that I haven't seen yet?
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: And I must have blocked it from memory because.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: As a kid, I had seen this film on cable,
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: swear note, less than 20 times.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I loved this movie. It was kind of a staple
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: for cable.
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: I ran around as a kid saying, I am a
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: Buddhist in case of an accident, please call the llama.
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: That was my signature line to everybody. And somehow, I
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: guess through, you know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Drug use or whatever.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: I had blocked out the fact that I had seen
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: this movie so many times, but as soon as I
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: called it up on screen, it was just like Nostalgia City.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: I remembered almost every line.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 54:45
  Speaker 9: And there's a lot of keepers in there.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of stuff that gets fired out. In
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: another movie, that would be like the line, but I'm like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: there's like 20 of them he just threw out in
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: this one scene.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: What's wild?
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: Twos, threes, fours, fives, sevens, eights, nines, and jacks.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: There's so many.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: Everything Scott Wilson says after a while, I'm just like,
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: slow down. I can't keep up with these hilarious lines.
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: The one thing that I never understood about this movie
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: was the opening musical montage with Hello San Antonio.
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: It was just this awful song. It was so bad.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: Which I think that was one of the things he
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: was toying with, not having in some cuts. Because I
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: think he even said there were like 17 different cuts
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: over the years.
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: And like, I thought at one point that wasn't.
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: He had it opened on Scott Wilson being dragged out
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: of the capsule. And that's just this gut-wrenching, you know,
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: because Scott was just so, he just, he pulled.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: That off so well.
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: There's just this screaming, terrified astronaut and just. completely sucks
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: you into the movie at that point, but you waste
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: the first three minutes on this song.
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: This dreamy opening.
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: I kind of liked it.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I kind of liked the song, too, as a
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: mood piece.
• 56:03
  Speaker 15: Well, but I also thought, because I was watching it,
• 56:05
  Speaker 15: I was like, oh, my God, this is going to
• 56:06
  Speaker 15: be so 70s.
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: This is so, like, what this movie is going to be.
• 56:09
  Speaker 15: And then even there's, like, that lyric about, like, gazing
• 56:12
  Speaker 15: out the window, and he's been gazing out the window,
• 56:14
  Speaker 15: and it's like, oh, God, what have I signed myself
• 56:16
  Speaker 15: up for?
• 56:16
  Speaker 10: But then you see that it's on a cassette, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 10: he rewinds it to listen to it again, and you're like, oh,
• 56:21
  Speaker 10: this is his point of view.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: And then it goes immediately to the moment rising and
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: all that really surreal imagery, and I think that's Blatty
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: pulling a fast one on the audience.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Right, right. Because.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: We're talking about adaptations, and Blatty's a good adapter of
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: his own work.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: Especially of his own work.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: He's an exceptionally good director. Just doesn't get a chance
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: to do it very often.
• 56:41
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: But it really throws you when it goes from that moment.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: For.
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: People who only know him through The Exorcist, this is such.
• 56:53
  Speaker 15: A.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: It's a real right turn.
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: He goes in a completely different direction, but he's still.
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: He still explores all those forbidden borders.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: This is Blatty's theology. I got very into Blatty because
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: of a late friend of ours, Ed Mather, whose favorite
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: film was The Exorcist and his second favorite film was
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: The Ninth Configuration. These films made him a Catholic. I
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: kind of laughed about it at the time, but then
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: he got into the roots of what Blatty wrote about
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: are based on Teilhard de Chardin's activity and his beliefs,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: who was a very progressive Catholic teacher and archaeologist, who
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: was basically Merritt and the exorcist is the real Teilhard.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: And he had the whole philosophy that is expressed by
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Scott Wilson's character, that perhaps God can't change what he started,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and we need to be examples, and that everyone's working
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: towards evolution individually. And that's all in Ninth Configuration. It's
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: kind of in The Exorcist, too.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's weird little ties that go through.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: So he's got this very powerful Catholic philosophy that's pretty progressive,
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: and it's neat to see it in his films. And
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: he carried it out pretty strongly in Ninth Configuration, where
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: it's got a very odd, happy ending. Yes. A very
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: spiritual ending to a very strange film.
• 58:25
  Speaker 15: I haven't seen There Is a Heaven, but I feel
• 58:28
  Speaker 15: like that's how There Is a Heaven ended as well.
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: Is that the name of that movie?
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: I think, yeah, the one that just came out.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Or Heaven's Real.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Heaven's Real.
• 58:37
  Speaker 10: I feel like that's probably what the ending of that was,
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: where there's just a shot of a beaming face, and
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: then it freezes on that. He's like, wait, there really.
• 58:45
  Speaker 7: Is an afterlife.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Ding!
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: Complete with the ding.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Ding! Ding!
• 58:52
  Speaker 10: There was a ding at the end, wasn't there?
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Did I just imagine the ding? Just reflecting off the petals.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: Right, right, right.
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: Which, I don't know, do we want to start getting
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: into that kind of specific stuff, or do we want
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: to get the overall? Yeah, no, I don't know.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: It's pretty esoteric there at the end.
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: Well, one of the things I really, from a technical standpoint,
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: that I'd like to hear about is everybody's opinion on
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: the side conversations that you hear happening in full, you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: they're not background.
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're fully present.
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: It was weird audio mixing.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Strange audio mixing for any other film.
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: But the way that I interpreted that was that these
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: are all the voices that are supposed to be going
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: on in your head as a viewer when you're watching this.
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: He's planting these audio images in your head to confuse
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: you while you're watching it and intrigue you.
• 59:51
  Speaker 12: Well, it gets you kind of the feel as to
• 59:53
  Speaker 12: what it would be like to be in that environment
• 59:54
  Speaker 12: as well. Just, you know, the constant distraction thing, it's like,
• 59:57
  Speaker 12: is it that these people cannot focus as a result
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 12: of their own personal, like, demons or what have you,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 12: or is it the environment that they've been put in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 12: that only exacerbates the problem more?
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes you and puts you way off balance,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: just like everybody is supposed to be in that place.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: And there come, you know, eventually the question arises, because
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys, oh, they're just faking. These
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: guys are just faking. And maybe some of them are.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: And maybe some of them aren't. But when the crisis
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: actually erupts, everybody kind of straightens out for a while.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: And it shows that, you know, you can cut through that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: It's very theatrical. That's what I always felt watching the movie.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: It's almost like watching a play.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: I think he started adapting a play is what he said, yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: But originally it was based on a novel.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Actually a novel he wrote twice. And then adapted very
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: differently for the film, so.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he started working on it once and then
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: they pulled that out from under it because it was
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: supposed to be more of a just like crazy guys,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: you know, in that kind of scenario. And like he
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: was taking a long time writing it or whatever. And
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: the studio was like, what are you doing? He's like, well,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out the theology.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: And they went, all right, we're done.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: Like immediately, like they're just like, I don't think this
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: is going to work. And it really was like years.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: I think it was before The Exorcist when he was
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: doing all that. And it wasn't until afterwards when he
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: had a little clout that he got a chance to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: come back and make it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Twinkle, Twinkle, Killer Kane was the first novel. And the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: film was actually titled that variously at times as well.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: They were trying to market it. Let's go with this
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: for a while. That never worked out. But then he
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: rewrote it as Ninth Configuration, which is pretty interesting.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: Well, it's one of those you get.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not until you get about two-thirds of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: the way in before you really figure out what the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: movie is that you're watching, because that middle portion, you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: get into, like, you're just watching Dr. Tarr and Professor Finn.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: It's just like you hit this scenario of, like, what's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: the weirdest group of people we can throw together and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: watch them just wander around and be crazy? And, like,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: there's so many moments when you're just like, that's insane. Oh, wait, no,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: that's insane. The dogs.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: Is possibly one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: And that was, it is one of those things like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: you don't expect that from him, but then you find
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: out he was like.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: More or less a comedy writer before he started.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: And he meant it to be like, the first two
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: thirds of this is basically a comedy and it's how
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: he wrote it until it gets super dark and heavy.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: We were talking earlier too.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 12: I said, it's almost kind of reminds me of an
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 12: Altman film in the sense that it's just got a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 12: huge ensemble.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Cast and a lot of like decent names.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 12: At the time and so it's just he's working all
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 12: these giant parts of like this Rube Goldberg device to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 12: kind of get to the end until you realize a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 12: lot of them are just sort of ancillary to.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Him and because of the talent they pull it off
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: because if you had lesser people doing these kinds of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: crazy roles.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: Like Robert Lozier.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: And then when you get to the big twists where
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: he's my brother that's hard to sell That's just like, oh,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, wait a minute, but that guy pulls
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: it off. The doctor pulls that off so well. You
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: buy it, it's like, wow, this is preposterous.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: And it's funny how much, again, Blatty being so close
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: to it and how many years he worked on it,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: when you, like, from his take, you go back and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: he's planted all these little seeds throughout it. It's like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: this statue over here is two brothers, and it's like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: he's supposedly setting you up that there's some sort of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: subconscious thing that's picking up on these So by the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: time you get to that convenient reveal, you're like, okay, well,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, so it's not so like, again, it's,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: it's like a weird thing that he thinks is working
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: on your brain that you're picking up along the way,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: which I don't know that everybody is, but it's funny
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: that he puts that much effort into the, the overall
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: story that it, it is just that last third more
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: or less, but he's worked it in that there's those
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: creepy moments in the.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: Beginning here and there.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: And there's those little hints that what's going to happen
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: later that, He definitely had it all planned out ahead
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: of time.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: Don't you feel as though that the crazy people were
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: cliched crazy people, though? Some of them? Wearing the bathrobe
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: and wearing the Mad Hatter's hat.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 15: Sure.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Dressing up as a superhero.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's all very conscious. Wearing flippers.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. This is also post-Cuckoo's Nest. Everything kind of has
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: to feel like it's that.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were all sort of crazy tropes. All these
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: guys were playing those kind of roles, but then they
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: were injecting some pretty hilarious dialogue into it.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: Definitely some hilarious dialogue and definitely some convincing performances, but
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: the exterior of these actors I thought was clichéd, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: whether that was intentional or not, I thought it was
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: a detractor.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I felt as though it was a detractor.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: And looking back on the film in a modern.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: Age, you know, looking back 37 years now, it's, yeah,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: it took me out of the.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: Moment for a while.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 12: But then you also kind of got to look at it, too,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 12: to where it's like, you know, was that Laddie making
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: it to make them like stereotypical inmates, or was it
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: more their influence, like they thought, okay, if I was an.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Inmate in this asylum, what would I look to?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 12: I might look to things like one flew over the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: cuckoo's nest, and so it's like, If I'm going to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 12: imitate an inmate, or if I'm going to imitate somebody
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 12: who's crazy, that is what I'm going to imitate. Since
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: a lot of them, it is very ambiguous as to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: whether it's legitimate problems.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: They all are faking. It's a very adversarial situation with
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: the inmates and the people watching over them. So I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: think they're doing their best to try to drive them
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: crazy as well. Pulling the props and all the wackiness.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: It might be just them acting the part that they
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: think they're supposed to act.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 10: They're so sane they don't even know how to act.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: That's ridiculously sane.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: I got a very Clinger vibe midway through, too.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: I'm just like, I'm going to be weird, but I'm
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: still kind of going to continue doing what I normally do.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I feel like that probably should have
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: been the philosophy.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: I'm just going to do it in a nurse's outfit.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: You guys can do whatever weird thing you want to do,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: but keep doing your work, right? That was the Clinger
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: philosophy there, right?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I think he's sneaking things in under the guise of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Like I said, that's why it hits
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: you pretty hard when it gets serious. It's like, whoa,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: this really took a strange turn.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: It kind of does, that last third. But again, I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: think that's the one that makes it work for me.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: I think that's what brings it all together.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: The first two thirds is entertaining, but if it just
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: continued that way, I don't know that I would think
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: it was a great movie. It would just be kind
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: of fun. But it ties it together in a really
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: interesting way with that last third.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 7: You're the psychiatrist, aren't you, Kane? Yeah, I thought so.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: I'm firm on the medical officer. Sure as hell glad
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: you're with us. I can use all the help I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: can possibly get.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 14: Gotcha.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: Up yours.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: Just answer, President.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: They are really far gone.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: Perhaps. Perhaps.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 11: What are you, a union?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Freudian?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: Some crazy new school of psychiatry?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: These guys are nuttier than a wagon load of pralines.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: You get Keech arriving on the scene, who's pretty stoic
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and pretty controlled. You're not quite sure what to make
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: of him until you gradually learn the truth about him.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: And on a side note with him, I don't think
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: I'd ever paid attention, or maybe he's just, and I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: think very consciously.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: He always had the mustache. In this, all of a
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: sudden I went, did he.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: Have a cleft palate when he was born? And he did.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: Which I don't think I'd ever noticed.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very noticeable.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 15: Fat City was the first time I ever saw him
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 15: without a mustache. And I actually think he's amazingly sexy
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 15: with those eyes.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: So do I.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: I was just, I know someone who was born that way.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: I'm like, that looks exactly like a cleft palate scar.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 10: Is that Joaquin Phoenix?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: No, personally. Although maybe I can hang out with Joaquin.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: We'll see how that pans out. But I mean. But no,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: I think that was just kind of an interesting real-world
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: thing that he's so much had that mustache over the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: years that it was just odd seeing it without it.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: And maybe that's why, now that it was probably a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: very conscious thing in his acting career.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 10: Don't hide it, Stacey.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: He's still out there. You can still find him.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 10: I know this. I've tried and failed to stalk Stacey Keach.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: It didn't work.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 15: He was on Broadway when we were in New York,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 15: and I was always trying to find excuses to pass.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 10: By the theater when they weren't showing up. My friend
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: was like, we just came down this street. I'm pretty
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 10: sure he was like, no, no, no, no, we're just
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: going to go.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: Back over here.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: I'm going to invite him to Harry Dean Stanton Fest.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 10: What were they in together? I would in a heartbeat.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 10: It doesn't matter.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: It doesn't matter.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Just show up.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: Just show up.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: Remember that night you and Harry were at Dan Dana's?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: That's right.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: You like Harry Dean Stanton movies, right? Good enough.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Come on over.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: Come on down.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Why do you want me to?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: Shh?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: I don't see really where it has any shh.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: It's okay.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: It's okay. It'll be sure and shave before we get here.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: Don't talk.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: I really like. Anyway.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know. You get to that midway
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: point in this and it's like you get the crazy, like,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: I don't know, especially once it gets to the point
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: where he starts getting funding for them. And when they
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: get funding for the Nazi outfits and for them to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: start digging a hole and reenact the Great Escape, it's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: a very special level of crazy at that point.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: And pretty satirical about what the government would actually do.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: And they probably would fund this. They probably would have.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Arkham has changed my entire perception of what the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 15: government is and.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: Is not willing to do.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: If that were a fictional film, you'd be like, what? Seriously?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: This is the stupidest premise ever.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: But no, not so much.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: I do like that they break that down at the beginning,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: and they're like, and this was the last one, and
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: it was pretty experimental. Like, yeah, you think? Hamlet for dogs.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Just amazing little performances. I can't remember the actor who's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: the nun. I'm Sister Eve Black. I love that guy.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, he's the same guy. He's the same guy
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: with the discussion with the hammer.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: Which is one of my favorite.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to pass through this wall.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: And when Stacy pulls out, the problem may not be
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: with the wall, but it may be the properties of
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: the hammer. And I'm going, that is so brilliant.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: All of those little interactions they had.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: I immediately took all the hammers out of my hand.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: There's a few more that like Stacy just launches into
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: that stuff and you're like, that's. Pretty well written. You've
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: got to give him points for the dialogue alone on this.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: It's just very well structured.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: You can tell how much he thought out each little
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: speech and interaction.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: That they had.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 8: Well, it's one of the things, as a writer-director, that
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: you've got to have those little things that keep you
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: guessing what this guy's story.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Is all about.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: So, you know, there's a 30,000-foot.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: View of this intentional.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: yet overused ploy that keeps people guessing about what a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: character's real purpose is in the film. And that was
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: one of those moments.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: For me that was just so brilliant. Not by the book.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Which explains why. People didn't see it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 11: People didn't respond.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: People didn't like it. They had to think, as they
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: often have to do and don't like.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 9: As that tie-in, you've brought the book.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming you've read that?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: I have read Only Ninth Configuration because I used to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: have the paperback of that. I have not read Twinkle, Twinkle,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Killer Kane. This is a paperback of Twinkle, Twinkle, Killer
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Kane not that long ago. This is one that Centipede
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: put out. The guy who runs this press is a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: huge fan of Blatty. He did a special edition of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: The Exorcist and he did a nice one of the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: combined novels here. He's got all the covers in here,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: the various versions, where they're trying to sell it in
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: different ways. This is the one I had. The Exorcist.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: That's what you think the title is. Oh, here's the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: title down here.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: Definitely a different vibe than you would get from that story.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: Just lots of different attempts by the companies to sell it.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: There's the one with the rocket ship and the asteroid.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: It looks like science fiction. Definitely. This is the one
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: that I've got.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: Does it vary much as far as just overall story?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Just looking at it, yes. He injected a lot more
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: into Ninth Configuration. the philosophical aspect.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Um, and it's, it's far more centered on the two characters,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: you know, Keech and the astronaut and, uh, less of
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: an ensemble type thing. But, uh, yeah, I got, I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: got this a couple of years ago. Uh, like I said,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: a close friend of ours passed away, uh, Ed Mather. And, uh,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: these were books that he cherished and, uh, movies that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: he cherished. And I kind of got this, uh, in
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: remembrance of him. And, uh, It's one of the strangest
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: things in a lifetime of odd things, is I've never
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: seen a person's real life mirror the fictions that he
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: loved as much as Ed Mather's life mirrored The Exorcist
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: and Ninth Configuration, down to his death. It's very interesting
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: to see how it shaped his philosophy, and your philosophy
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: shapes your life. And whether he meant to do it
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: or not, he ended up dying in a very sacrificial way.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: He was murdered. And it actually did some good as
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: a result. So it's very odd to see that happen.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: And it gives his life more meaning.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 12: And you get into all the odd personal experiences, too,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 12: and linked to the exorcist.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All of which I generally believe happened to him.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: He had some very odd experiences. You would call it
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: supernatural events in his life. But he was obsessed with
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Teilhard de Chardin and his philosophies. And he ended up
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: kind of living it out. It's very weird. But I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: think I first saw A Ninth Configuration with him, like
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I said, at the Vogue, of course, when they ran it.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: And you never saw a more divided personality struggling with
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: good and evil in his life daily.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: Well, that's kind of what becomes the whole thing with
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: William Peter Blatty.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: It's like, is anybody familiar with Legion?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: Because supposedly this is like the trilogy and it's like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: the third piece.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 9: Of it was Legion.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Legion's a really good book.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: The movie, Exorcist 3. It's a troubling movie because it's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: got a lot of really good stuff in it. And
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: it's another film that Blatty directed.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I remember liking a lot of stuff.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: It's got some very potent scares. I mean, some really
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: jarring stuff. But it's got an exorcism in it which
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't belong. There's no exorcism in Legion. But the studio
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: was like, well, yes, the exorcist.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: Exorcist 3 is how we're building this.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: They just sort of threw it in there out of nowhere. Oh,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 10: No, go ahead.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: Well, the only problem with Exorcist 3 is that you
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: had to have Exorcist 2.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: True.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: We don't talk about that.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: The heretic's a fine film.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I haven't seen Exorcist 3 since it came out,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 15: but it was actually.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 10: The first movie I ever saw, the first horror film
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 10: I ever saw in a theater.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 15: And I was 14, and I remember it just terrified me.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: I mean, like, got under my skin for years. I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 10: was always looking up at the ceiling as.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: I watched it. That seems disturbing.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 15: And so I remember parts of it vividly in a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 15: way that I don't remember movies from that long ago.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 10: But I don't remember the exorcism scene at all.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Right, because it's kind of a non-effect. It's just so funny.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about his relationship with Nicole Williamson. But
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: when they started to force this situation on Blatty, He
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: obviously thought, well, if I've got to have a priest,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: let's get Nicole in on this. And then you start
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: watching the movie and you realize he never interacts with
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: anybody else in the film. He never interacts with Kinderman.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think they ever meet. They never interact. He
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: just shows up, the door slides open, and he's there
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: to perform the exorcism.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: I'm here to fulfill my obligations.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: The movie gets derailed for a while. I think there
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: is a cut. I think Blatty may have it where
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: that's not in there. I'd like to see it.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: But the book Legion... He might load it to you. Probably.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: I'll try to find him again. The book was quite good.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: And the book's a very philosophical novel about.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: There is good. There is good out there.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 9: And that's what all of these... That's the thing.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: He bills it as the Exorcist is basically just this
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: acknowledgement of evil in the universe. And that's pretty much
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: all it is. And it leaves you with this there
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: is no answer kind of take on it. And that's
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: kind of what you get from it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: It's just like, here's evil.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: And yeah, this is, this is how the universe is.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: And then the middle section is the ninth configuration. And
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: that's the one that he's, he's kind of like, then
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: he brings the whole God's existence thing into it. And
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 7: you get into like the mystery of goodness, which by
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: the end of it gets to be a very heavy
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: thing that they do. And it's just, they, they, that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: thing that he points out that is like, why, if
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: all we are these, you know, base creatures that worry
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: about ourselves, that why do we do selfless things? And
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: why do we love anybody? And why do we, you know,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: you know, sacrifice yourself kind of a thing.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 12: Both having those acts of altruism and like the final
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 12: act too.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: Which I, and that's, it's funny.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: We mentioned that, that dreamy opening shot, the way that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: he originally wanted to open it. It's exactly tied into
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: the thing he's got. It's a shot of them in
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: Vietnam and he's, uh, it's just like American soldiers. And,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: one of them they're, they're moving through and there's this
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: like Vietnamese woman that, that's hobbled or something and she
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: can't walk. And this American soldier picks her up on
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: his back and for miles carries her and they get
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: to this village and he sits her down and like
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: turns around to talk to the other guys. And she
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: under her dress pulls out a live grenade and throws
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: it down. And that, that was the opening he originally wanted.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: And the studio kind of screwed him over and they
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: told him there were going to be, Oh yeah, we
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: can get you lots of Vietnamese extras. And like, they
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: showed up and they got one kid that was in
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: school there. And he was just like, I guess I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: need to rewrite the opening now. So it's interesting knowing that, again,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: that's how he wanted to structure it originally and how
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: much that like selfless act thing tied in from the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: very beginning that it was this, that's the whole key
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: to this part of the little trilogy is just this
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: mystery of goodness thing that he has. And then Legion
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: is kind of the big finale in his trilogy in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: his head anyway, of how they like deal with, like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: that we I think he built it as we have
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: we as human beings have chosen the suffering and like
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: that's that again he just adds like a new layer
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: to this weird theology every time he like adds more
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: stuff to it I don't know I didn't know what
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: everybody's take on this whole like grand scheme of of
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: thinking and how deep he gets with all of this stuff.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: Too heavy.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: Too heavy for everyone.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, what I'd like to know is, is
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: if you had a choice to end the ninth configuration
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: in another way, how would you.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Have ended it?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: Not with the metal.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: Which is another odd story that I can get to. Um,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, the metal is just sort of a tacked
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: on thing that, I mean, he definitely sets up. It's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: part of the grand scheme, but it would still like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: if you took that scene out and you just showed maybe,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: you know, he's doing better now and he's, he's, yeah,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: he's just doing better and getting over it. But you
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: see that his selfless act did actually do the good
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: that he intended.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: I think it still works.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: It still works. I think you could still do it
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: without the weird happy, happy ending.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: You know, that's an imposed philosophy.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: It's saying that we can make a difference. We can
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: make a difference by our choices.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: And that part's still there without that last scene.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: Throughout the film. Yeah. But it goes back to Blatty's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: basic faith, which he does have. And I think he
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: wants to just tack that on, saying there is something
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: beyond us. And by choosing these paths, by choosing these
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: selfless acts, maybe there's evidence of something further. And that's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: something that's in his writing. He wrote a book about
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: his relationship with his mom. I'll tell them I remember you.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: Which is where the metal story comes from. You heard that?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: That it's based on reality for him.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: And then there's a mechanical bird that kind of comes
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: to life and starts singing when he's trying to talk
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: to his mother beyond the grave. And it speaks to him.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, I know you don't believe me, but this happened.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So he's trying to get that little edge of the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: supernatural in there.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Because he knows we largely want it, I think.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 12: Is that what you're saying the metal story comes from?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 12: I was going to say I'm unfamiliar so I guess
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 12: expand the listening audience.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: The way that he told it is like he had
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: this really deep relationship with his mother and his mother
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: died and he was like massively depressed and didn't get
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: over it for like years but she had always worn
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: these like two they were both sort of faith based
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: little metal kind of things like necklace kind of thing
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: and when they were taking care of the body. He,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: they asked if he wanted anything and he said, yeah,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: I want one of these. And he took one of
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: them and he wore it around and he always wore it,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: but she had two and he didn't take the other one.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: So he didn't know if they kept it or they
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: buried her with it or whatever. And then at one
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: point it was like years later and he's like, he
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: was cities in the bathroom and he heard this jingling
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: and on the necklace is the other metal. And he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: has no idea how he got it. He's like, I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: didn't take it. I didn't put it on there. And
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: one day it was just there.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 11: With the other one.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: I'm like, that's, so that's almost exactly how the, you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: the metal works its way into the ninth configuration. But
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: in his real life, that's how he tells the story
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: of what happened.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: So, which is very Hollywood eyes ending.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: You know, as a viewer, I felt I was gratified,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: you know, I was paid off by the ending of
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: the film, but as a thinker, I was like, Oh,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: come on.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: Why'd you have to do that well and the line
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: was so much funnier the first time he says it
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: before it has any meaning yes because his his like
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: i'll see what i can do like it's just played
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: off so deadpan that he's just like all right whatever
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: and then later it becomes heavy and meaningful i'm like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: well that kind of robs the fun of it now
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: like i really like i did laugh at that line
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: when he said that and then later it was like
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: odd how much meaning it ended up having.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 10: But I didn't like the voiceover reminder, though.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was not subtle.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say that.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: But this is not.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: Really a subtle movie.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: The religious imagery is kind of thrust upon you quite often.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: The voiceover reminder almost made me, and not knowing too
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: much of the behind-the-scenes story about that, I thought that
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: the ending was an add-on.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: It was a studio add-on.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: It feels like it.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: So they had to throw a voiceover reminder in there
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: just to bring it back in. I'm sure it was
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: I'd like to actually see the script. I've never actually
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: looked at the script.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he'd load it to you.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: We go way back. Way back.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: But I know there is one that that selfless act
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: isn't so specific as well. He said, and this wasn't
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 7: even his doing, this was Stacy Keech at one point
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 7: asked him to shoot a take without the knife in
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: his hand.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 9: So that he.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 7: made this conscious act to just sort of let himself
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: bleed out, and that was the sacrifice, versus the actual
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: really shoving a knife into himself, very direct, I'm going
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: to kill myself to save you kind of a thing.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 15: And how about the sacrifice? I mean, in terms of purity.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 15: I mean, you know, they talk about scenarios, and it's
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 15: just like, well, that would just be suicide. I mean,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 15: it's not like he just got a new job, and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 15: his wife's like, they're having a baby, and everything's looking
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 15: great for Stacey Keach.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 10: It's not like he's giving up.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: Anything death is still death i mean but to me
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: it was sort of like a weird far-fetched thing like
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: so yeah in this weird hollywood scenario it worked out
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: but i'm like most of the time just be like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: oh well and he's crazy for the rest of his
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: life i mean it's kind of a rare thing that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: this idea of his that the shock therapy that he
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: did would actually work.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 15: Which was adorable i really liked it it was i
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 15: do yeah psychology as well.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: I do like that he sort of made up his
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: own way of dealing with it. Shock therapy. He really
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: did find a literal, real-world, non-electronic way to shock him
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: into being well again.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 9: It is interesting.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 15: Do we think that he was ever not well? Or
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 15: was it just a misplaced sacrifice as well? Where he's like, oh, God,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 15: I'm a dick. I shouldn't have put him in this position.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 15: I shouldn't have put anybody in this position.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 10: I didn't feel... Like, I felt like him... Like, listening
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 10: to the song at the beginning.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 12: I mean, you're still not fully well, even if you're
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 12: pretending not to be well, though.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: I think it could be argued.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, he definitely obviously had some existential shit
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: going down, but who doesn't?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: Were you saying, was he well before the Vietnam issues?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: No, not Stacy Keith.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: I just want a t-shirt that says that.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: I definitely got some weird existential shit going down, but
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: who doesn't?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 14: Who doesn't?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: Those will be available in a couple weeks.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just check both versions, and the metal's not in it.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Like I said, it is an add-on, and I don't
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: know if Blighty decided to adapt or if they just
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: decided to.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: Again, it is very convenient.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: One's very close.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: That he has a real-life story that fits perfectly with
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: the way to wrap this up.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 8: I would venture to guess, the way I interpret films,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 8: that no, he was not crazy to begin with. The
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: whole crazy ploy was a way to justify being.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: A gigantic wimp.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: It's the only way he could do it. It's the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: only way he could feel good at night is if
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: he convinced himself. So I think he genuinely tried to
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: convince himself that he was nuts. Sometimes you go crazy
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 8: to keep yourself from going crazy.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: But then he saw that this act had real world consequences.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: And that's what That's what yanked him out.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: That's him. I know that's him.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: You're demented.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Up yours.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: I've seen his picture in the paper.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: You don't read the papers, Stanley.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: You're an illiterate.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Then TV, you asshole.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Look at him.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: Look at his face. That's the astronaut, the one that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: lost his marbles. What would he be doing in a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: joint like this?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: How the fuck do I know? Look, they have all
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: types of those army wackos stashed up in that Biltmore dump. Well,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: he could be one of them.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: But that's him.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: I swear it.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: I'm positive.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: Well, how positive is positive, Stanley?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 17: You want a bet?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: Much?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Just a beer?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: And a shot in the mouth? Eat on it.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: And let me give a special shout-out to Steve Sandor,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: who played the biker with the eyeliner.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: Stanley's great.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 10: Tour de Force.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: Hanging out with Richard Lynch, by the way.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard Lynch.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: One of the brilliant characters.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: You can't find a scarier guy.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: That dude was amazing. You know, I went back and
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 8: IMDb'd him and just looked at all the, you know,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 8: we're talking the $ 6 million.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Man, fall guy, magnum PI.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, he was in every.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: He was the badass in every TV show during the
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 8: late 70s and early 80s.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: Well, as they first got him to that scene, I'm like,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: that's a very specific outfit he's got going there. And
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: that shirtless vest and the kerchief going on to the
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: side there. I'm like, what is he saying? Oh, okay.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of eyeliner, dude. And then the splits.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: I'm like, that was an interesting maneuver. It's just finding
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: a new weird way to make it like, odd 70s
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: things jammed in there.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: It's the one element of the film you can point
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: to that almost anybody's going to watch and go, wow.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: That bar fight, that whole sequence is just this gem
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: that just takes over and just completely... involves and horrifies
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: you as it's happening you're like it changes the tone
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: yeah completely yeah yeah you're just rooting for the worst
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: possible thing to occur and you're the last please kill.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: Everyone the only time the only time you're not in
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: that crazy house basically I mean You spend the whole
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: rest of the movie in there, in the castle.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 12: Which is then weird that the real world in the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 12: context of this film is scarier than what's inside.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Of the castle. Far more savage. These guys were innocents,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, in the manhouse, but they get out into
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: the world and it's like, we need to tear them up.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 15: I do feel like that's the scene where the one
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 15: false note that I felt that really sort of upset
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 15: me with the whole film, because I think I would
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 15: otherwise really love the film, was like when the waitress
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 15: goes to the phone and instead of calling the police,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 15: she's like, I need information for this weird, secret, hidden castle.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: That everybody seems to know about.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: Which, by the way, was Blatty's wife.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, interesting.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: I have to go with his cameo as well. He's
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: in there with crazy people.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: His son is actually the little boy.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: He was Vincent, little Vincent.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, cool.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: Right off the field. I don't know. There's a few
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: more heavy, weird stuff. And one of them I think
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: is interesting and I don't even know if it was intended,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: but I feel like it adds an extra layer to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: what's going on is the fact that it's because we've
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: talked about them adding the metal in or working in
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: this metal story. But to me, it's really interesting that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: it's a St. Christopher's metal because, and this was, after
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: the point when it was, you know, cause that's the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: thing I started going, when was this? Like, when did
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 7: they make this call of like, maybe he's not a saint.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 7: And then as I checked, it's like, the reason they
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 7: did that is because they realized he may not even
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 7: be a real person.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: He may not have existed. So we can't really call
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: him a saint.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: And that's why they sort of decanonized him or whatever.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: So now we've got this whole thing that's built on faith.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: So you're like, you're, you have faith in something or someone.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 9: That, may or may not actually exist.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: So, again, I don't know that that was planned out,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: but it's funny that that's the metal that it ended
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: up being, and it ties kind of exactly with the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: whole theology of what's going on here.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember if the metal in The Exorcist
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: is the St. Christopher's metal or not.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: They did draw that tie that it is similar to
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: the same Tausman kind of feeling.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something he consciously chose to put in
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: this film, too.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: Even as deep as this film goes, or any of
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: his other films, I would say that that... Choosing something
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 8: that didn't really... I'd say that's way too far down.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: The rabbit hole. Even for Blatty.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 7: But I think it adds a layer to it that
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: I'm like, this ties in perfectly with what you're saying already,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 7: so it's even weirder if you didn't plan it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: This is like finding hidden meanings in Die Hard.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: This is what we do.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: And there are a lot of layers to Die Hard.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: So then, okay, if we're going to go into these
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: also deep meanings.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 12: So, you know, when we were doing Satan's Little Helper,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 12: it was like everyone was extrapolating meanings, and I was
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 12: just tempted to take the table.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: Stop!
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: Stop it!
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Stop!
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 11: What about if Satan was.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: Speaking of Satan.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe the helicopter sounds.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: No! There's a flashlight!
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 7: Stop it!
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 10: Stop it! Just stop!
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: Couldn't even buy stock footage.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: 90% of the decisions that are made in films are
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: driven by budget.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: And even, like, there are plenty of stuff that he says.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: But it's like stock footage of a helicopter versus a flashlight.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Or just go outside.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: They had a video.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: The helicopter's going to fly by at some point.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: They couldn't even do it.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: They couldn't even do it. They had to use a flashlight.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 12: Or if you're really guerrilla filmmaking, say you've lost your
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 12: child in that general vicinity.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Call him up. We're back on that. Try to escape. See, look,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: it came back.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: Oh, it comes back.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: That's our trauma, Brian.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 7: You're welcome.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 12: That's our Vietnam flashback is Satan's little helper day.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: Well, this one, I mean, we've got so much of
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 9: people deciding... what what is.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 7: Real and what is it anyway you get to the
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: theology but then you've also got the soldiers which you
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 7: get this whole game by the end of like okay
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: were they faking their insanity were they not faking their
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: insanity you know it's all so there's to me yeah
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: there's parallels with all this stuff that then you've also
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: got the like is what's his name um cutshaw you've
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: got cutshaw which for the extra tie-in you you did
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: see he's the same character from the exorcist right that's
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 7: the astronaut that comes to the mom's party and she
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 7: comes out and says, you're going to die up there
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: in Vladdy's world. That's all interconnected, which maybe that's why
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: he freaks out and doesn't want to go in space.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: A little crazy girl just predicted his death and Peter. So,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: but then, um, then you get this whole other like
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 7: parallel with like, so you've got the, you've got him,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 7: you've got cut shell, not wanting to go in space. Um,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 7: Because of the emptiness, basically. The loneliness and emptiness of
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: being out there in space and being stranded and having
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: nothing out there. And then you've got the entire rest
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 7: of the end of this movie that is dealing with theology.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 9: Is there a God?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: You've got Cutshall. His whole argument is that there is
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: no God. He might as well just be a big foot.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: It's all made up. So it's like, okay, is this
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: some weird... It's all made up because then we don't
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 7: have to deal with the emptiness of what's not out there.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: It's very similar lines there.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: But when Cain asks him, as he's dying, why don't
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 8: you want to go to the moon? And he's saying,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 8: if there's no God. He's not saying, because there's no God,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 8: I'll be so alone. He says, if there's no God,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 8: I'll be so alone.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 7: Because he's faking everything.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: He's a liar.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: But I just, yeah, I feel like there's so much
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: of that in his performance, that, like, he's trying to
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: convince himself that he's crazy so that he doesn't have
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: to go into space, and then at the same time
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: he's trying to convince, you know, that you're dealing with
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 7: this whole culture that may or may not have created
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: a god so that they don't have to deal with
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: nothingness that is out there. It's a very similar plot line.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: I'm just nodding, you know? All nodding. Cut showers, everybody,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: I think there's, yeah.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: Someone seemingly steps in and saves him.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Or not.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: It's his theology.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: It's what he chooses to go with. But then, you know,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: you've got the little glint of hope there at the end,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: which is highly selective. Oh, you get this.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, nobody else gets it.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: You get proof. No one else. But you get it.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 9: But he asked for it.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: That's all. You just got to ask people.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Which is, you know.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: So, when you guys die... Come back and let all
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: of us know.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: Everybody listening, that's my plan.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: I'm coming back to haunt all of you.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: You need a specific task. It can't be that amorphous.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: It could just be a crazy dream. You need to
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: assign a specific task for everybody to come back and do.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: I need a thing, a physical thing to show up
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: and make a ding noise. Like a gold.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Tooth on a rack. I haven't had any of those.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: No specific tasks have occurred for me. I have lots
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: of interesting dreams about Ed Mather, whose theology was so
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: tied up with all of this. He's constantly imploring me
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: to tell his tale and not leave any of the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: ugly stuff out. And there's tremendously wonderful ugly stuff to
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: be told. I get that a lot. But, yeah, it's
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: an odd movie for me because it has been so
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: completely tied up with personalities that I know and people
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: and places that are gone that very few other films apply.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: So I've always been very forgiving of any of its excesses,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: and it has them. But I really do love night configuration.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: It was a trip in the way back machine for me. Yeah,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: it's amazing that you suppressed it.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 8: That's just so odd, because I, no lie, probably 20
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: times on cable.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: Every time it came on, I just, I was transfixed.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: As a lad.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of what was on cable for
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: me that way. It wasn't nearly as cool as Ninth Configuration.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: It was probably Porky's. Well, that was.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 8: Either Ninth Configuration or Breaking 2.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: So I had, you know.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: That's a tough call. I had to watch one or two.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: I chose that.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: For me, as always, my stepmother is an alien. I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 10: could not think of when I saw Under the Skin.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 19: I kept thinking about that movie.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: Prophetic.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: Anything else on Ninth Configuration? I just, it's all performances. Like,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: it's one of those, I didn't.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: I just want a bunch of action figures.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 7: Well, why aren't there?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: There's so many great characters.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: It's got, it's got.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: Like, G.I.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Joe action figures.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: Guys in spacesuits.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I wonder if you could.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: Find a modeler who would be willing to.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 10: There you go.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: I wonder who you could find. To go out there
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: and do nightclub. To do a series. Where would you
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: find a modeler at? Possibly at Wonderfest. Yeah.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: Wonderfest.com.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: May 31st. No, it's so far out that I don't
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: know how many people would even be interested. that well
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: informed about it but yeah there's so many cool army
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: guys yeah and that's a cool moment when when when
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: the cops come yeah and the army guys just kind
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: of push the front they're like no no i like
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: that it's a nice machismo thing they're marines by the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: way oh you're.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: Right yeah well that was the thing yeah in the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: in the little breakdown in imdb that's why i was
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: like it's kind of wrong because they specifically call out
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: they're all marines not army so yeah way to go
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 7: imdb but now like the whole scott wilson thing like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 7: i i had seen it a million years ago when
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 7: it was on vhs obviously but like when he started
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: getting big again like i didn't really even remember that
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: was him because he's so much younger then and like
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: i didn't realize how much like it's the scott wilson
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: show like stacy keach is on the cover but like
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: you watch that movie and like so much i mean
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 7: he's got good performances too but yeah scott wilson steals
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: that movie because he's just on you know every scene
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: that he's in he's just firing out lines and he's
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 7: really good and i just didn't yeah going back it's
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: it's worth watching again just to acknowledge how much he
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: delivers and, and, and was not, neither of them were
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: actually meant to be. They, he was talking about Stacey
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: not being the lead. He wasn't either. The other guy
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: like couldn't do it. And they shifted people. Scott Wilson
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: was one of the other guys and he got moved.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: That's how William Peter Blatty ended up as one of
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: the guys. It, everybody shifted and went up one and
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: then they were left with an empty spot. And he's like, well,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: I'll stand there and ad lib some stuff. And so
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: like none of his stuff was scripted, but like, yeah, it's,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: It is interesting that he just was sort of thrust
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: into that role, and then that's what.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: He does with it. He's good. It's impressive. He had
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: that nice kind of small role in Exorcist III as
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: the doctor, which that character in the book has a
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: hell of a lot more going on, and I kept
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: expecting that to take off while watching Exorcist III because
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: he develops a doppelganger problem where he keeps running into himself.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: There's a moment in Exorcist III where there's that big
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: portrait of him on his wall, Because he's a very
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: odd doctor, smoking and very paranoid. But you saw that
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: big portrait, and I kept expecting that portrait to come
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: to life. I kept staring at it during the whole movie,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: and it never happened. But in the book, that becomes
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: a major plot point, is the doctor is being worked
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: on by something and starts to see himself and ends
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: up being killed as well.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is interesting that he comes back further down
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: the line.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: In the William Peter Blatty world.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: And that's what I found with his whole career. Like,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: it's sad how, like, he just got smaller and smaller roles. And, like,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: for somebody that's as talented as he is and as
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: huge titles as he's in in the early part of
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: his career, like, it took him this long and he
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: kind of comes back around now on TV. But, like, yeah,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: it's amazing how much he just got, you know, shifted
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: down into the cast each time.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: Well, except for the longest time. It's something people constantly
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: point out is, TV, cable TV in particular, is the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: new motion picture industry when it comes to quality.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: It kind of is to some extent.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: Most theatrical stuff has gone into blockbusters. Folks who are
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: under 30 and casting hardly anyone in any other kind
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: of role. And so actors like that just go out
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: with the tide. And TV is bringing them back in.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: So I do give them credit with that. They've gone
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: back and found some really good people.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: It's a balance, you know. It's tough because the.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: The studios, they need to make those films. They really do.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: Especially now. Making those films enables them to put out
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 8: something like 12 Years a Slave. Even still arguably a
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: blockbuster because of the cast. But they have to put
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: out those big superhero movies to justify the expenditure on
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: the other ones. So I don't begrudge them for doing it.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 8: And they're also able to launch some careers that way.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, look at Megan Fox.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: Well, not a good tie-in, though. I mean, look at
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: the career of Scarlett Johansson, which I've brought up a
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: lot lately.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: She was able to choose and do this latest film.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 7: The only reason these last couple of years.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I don't begrudge big movies. I enjoy them. It's just
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: that it becomes all that gets pushed hard.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: You know, and.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 8: Well, there's 6% of the movies that are made.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: The other 94% are non-studio.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: Or fighting to get seen. Better when they cease to be.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: The fun runs out. I follow Paul Schrader on Facebook,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: and Paul mentioned, well, 105 movies coming out this summer.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to go lie down. What's the point?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 8: Well, but then you look at with the success of
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: cable TV, some of the online providers are now, I mean,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 8: for Netflix to To throw out $ 100 million without ever
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: seeing a pilot for House of Cards was amazing.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: And it was a gamble that paid off.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 9: And it shows the power of the new medium now.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: Like how much they are bringing in viewers that not
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: only are new viewers, but like a good portion of viewers, period.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: Like it's just, it's a whole new world that people
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: couldn't have predicted.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: Why can't I get Undead Survival picked up?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 7: Because people are dumb.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 8: Search Undead Survival on Vimeo.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 9: Feel free to donate and get that picked up.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 7: Get some funding all your own.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: We have the pilot on the web.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: If you run your own company out there trying to
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 7: rip off Netflix, hey. Those are coming around now. Those
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 7: are coming around now. So soon there will be competition.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: It will be network television. Only everybody will have their own,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: which it's kind of already getting to that point.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 9: And you'll be paying for it.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: You see Amazon Prime and you see, or no, the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: Hulu Plus and Amazon. Everybody's getting this upgraded version and
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: they're getting original programming. And soon you really will have
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: like five different options.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: Crowdfunding.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Very, very big, big form.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see where it goes. I don't
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: know if it'll be good, but it'll be interesting.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 8: Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's not just enough
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: to make something. As Archie always says, not just enough
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: to make something, it's got to make it good.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of people can make things.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: The internet is full of them.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: It's like buying your furniture at Big Locks.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: It's shaped like furniture.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 8: Unless that is Big Locks would like to sponsor a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: movie meltdown.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: That's different.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: I will run your ads all day long.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 10: Speaking of making things, can we have a side cast note?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 15: Which was the Jason Miller's Jason Patrick's father, which I
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 15: never knew until right this very day.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: I don't think I did either.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 10: It's a thing, according to IGP. I don't know if
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: it's a true thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think I heard that.
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  Speaker 15: But yeah, in terms of our legacies, and apparently Jackie
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  Speaker 15: Gleason is Jason Patrick's maternal grandfather.
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  Speaker 18: I know, right?
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  Speaker 7: Everybody's related in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: Hollywood dynasties.
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  Speaker 10: A mission from our dynasty episode that I'm now amending.
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  Speaker 6: Don't get me started.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to go batshit crazy on dynasties.
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  Speaker 9: You're going to rant on that new little Coppola coming along.
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  Speaker 8: Like I said, just because my dad played ball doesn't
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  Speaker 8: mean I can play ball.
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  Speaker 10: We can have a Son of the Dynasty episode.
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  Speaker 7: Just start making a list of the ones you forgot
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  Speaker 7: and we'll come back around to it.
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  Speaker 3: Like the TV show? Like Dallas?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that one. Joan Collins was hot.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 8: Anybody buy Drew Barrymore's Heart-Shaped Book yet?
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  Speaker 7: I've got a stack of them. I was going to
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  Speaker 7: give them to you guys for Christmas. That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Collins was good in Empire of the Ants, though.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just keep all these random ideas. And Tales from
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: the Crypt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Michelle Phillips was in Falcon Crest, which I didn't realize until, like,
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  Speaker 15: one of the manliest guys I know.
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  Speaker 10: I was like, Michelle Phillips is coming. He was like,
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  Speaker 10: from Falcon Crest? I was like, well, yes, among other things.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, whatever. All right, good to know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the manliest guys I know.
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  Speaker 7: Does he hang out at that bar? There's a lot
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  Speaker 7: of manly men there.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, they were very manly.
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  Speaker 7: Some of them probably like Falcon Crest.
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  Speaker 8: I wonder how the folks in the Easter block felt
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: about the construction of a biker bar.
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  Speaker 7: I wonder if that's the part where they went to Austria.
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  Speaker 7: Is that the last... you know half a month was
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  Speaker 7: in austria so he's like all right they won't let
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  Speaker 7: us build this in hungary but austria doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 7: care what we do so now that.
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  Speaker 8: Was that was a weird weird moment if you if
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 8: you remember toward the beginning of the film when you
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: see the bikers the only answer.
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  Speaker 7: The only other time the other time.
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  Speaker 8: You see the bikers when they're tearing away on that
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  Speaker 8: on that flatbed truck and they have the guy in
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  Speaker 8: the sweater.
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  Speaker 7: Vest i was gonna bring that up at some point
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  Speaker 7: chair And I forgot.
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  Speaker 8: And then in the bar, you actually see him sitting
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: on a bar stool. It's obviously the same guy, but
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  Speaker 8: he's not attempting to get away.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 6: He's there.
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  Speaker 3: He's the bitch boy.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: You want to join our gang?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: It's a conscious choice.
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  Speaker 8: So I wonder what the purpose was of having that guy.
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  Speaker 9: Again, it's all way too plotted out.
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  Speaker 7: Everything is planting the seed and coming back to.
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  Speaker 8: I haven't been able to make that, you know, to
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  Speaker 8: find some deeper meaning there. It was just an odd placement.
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  Speaker 8: It would have been enough to see those guys tearing
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: through the road and not interject this chained accountant.
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  Speaker 7: We're all God's bitch? Is that what we're supposed to
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  Speaker 7: take from this?
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  Speaker 6: Well, you said it, not me.
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  Speaker 9: On that, we should probably wrap up.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, anything else to get out there this week? I
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: think that is it.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, pleased to meet me on iTunes, $ 12. 99 plus tax.
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  Speaker 6: Order it today.
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  Speaker 7: All right, we'll leave it at that. Otherwise, that about
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: does it. We will return next week. Same geek time,
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  Speaker 7: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if I should keep my St. Christopher medal
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: You say it might go up.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 17: I wonder if I should keep my Saint Christopher medal
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 17: They say it might go up in value years from
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 17: now Maybe I could hawk it for a couple of
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 17: tickets to some Broadway show Maybe he'll be reinstated, I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 17: just don't know.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: I wonder if I should keep our St. Christopher medal.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 17: I wonder what's gonna protect me from now on.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, I read in my paper.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 17: That James Everett, he's not a saint anymore.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: I wonder if I should.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 17: Keep my Saint Christopher medal.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 17: When I'm driving home When I'm all alone Who will
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 17: be there for me.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: When I'm driving home.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 17: I stop by the church and ask the priest about
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 17: my Christopher Meadow. He told me they just decided he
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 17: didn't belong.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: I wonder how the world.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 17: Will be when there's nothing left to pipe in. I
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 17: know I'll always keep my same Christopher Meadow. Who will
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 17: be there for me when I'm driving home?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: When I'm on the road?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 17: Who will be there for me when I'm driving home?
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: You got 24 on your... I know.
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  Speaker 7: I'm working here. Cool. Come here.
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  Speaker 10: You're so cool.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 9: I will not ask you to pick me up.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 7: It's okay. It's alright.
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• 1:52:41
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  Speaker 4: Talk hard!