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Keith Lowenstein – Kriya Yoga For Self-Discovery · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. Korea Yoga is an ancient meditation technique that
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Speaker 1: focuses on breathing and the spine to unlock deep states
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Speaker 1: of awareness, self realization, and spiritual growth. Korea can provide
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Speaker 1: a fast path to awakening, yet its practice has been
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Speaker 1: shrouded in secrecy, passed only from master to initiate for millennia.
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Speaker 1: How may we learn more about this sacred practice and
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Speaker 1: know if it is right for us? My guest this
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Speaker 1: week on Destination Unlimited, Keith Lowenstein is a physician, holistic coach,
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Speaker 1: and yogic meditation instructor. In nineteen eighty he began his
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Speaker 1: training in Crea Yoga with Ganesh Baba. He is board
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Speaker 1: certified in integrative medicine, psychiatry and obesity medicine. He also
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Speaker 1: integrates medical acupuncture into his work. Keith has a Masters
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Speaker 1: of Divinity with an interfaith focus. Is an ordained interfaith
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Speaker 1: minister and is a yoga charia in Korea Raja Yoga lineage.
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Speaker 1: His websites are Humanholistics dot com and Koreabreath dot com
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Speaker 1: and he joins me this week to share his path
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Speaker 1: and book Crea Yoga for Self Discovery Practices for Deep
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Speaker 1: States of Meditation. Please join me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited,
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Speaker 1: Keith Lowenstein. Welcome, Keith.
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Speaker 2: It's so nice to be here, Victor. Thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for inviting me.
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Speaker 1: Keith, please share with our listeners your early path and
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Speaker 1: how it led to your interest in meditation and ultimately yoga.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, yoga really is meditation, which is something many
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Speaker 2: people don't quite understand. But yoga is a spiritual path
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Speaker 2: period here in the West, it's become something on every
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Speaker 2: street corner that people think of as more of an
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Speaker 2: exercise and fitness program, but so they're kind of one
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Speaker 2: and the same. Although I didn't really understand that either
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Speaker 2: when I first got into it, but it was really
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Speaker 2: my childhood. I got interested in meditation through through dreams
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Speaker 2: and then in hindsight, you know, kind of playing with
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Speaker 2: different techniques that I learned again later from my teacher
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Speaker 2: that reinforced what I was playing with as a child,
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Speaker 2: and then my nature just grabbed me early on. Even
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Speaker 2: though I grew up in New York City. New York
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Speaker 2: City is filled with nature all around, and I was
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Speaker 2: really lucky to live near where there were woods or
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Speaker 2: water almost all the time. And I had an early
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Speaker 2: exposure to religious Renaissance art, and that really grabbed me
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Speaker 2: in a way I didn't understand quite as a child.
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Speaker 2: But those pictures of the energy and spiritual transformations and really,
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Speaker 2: you know, just seemed like part of the natural world
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Speaker 2: to me, and so they weren't didn't seem otherworldly at all.
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Speaker 2: So I just kind of at home with all of that.
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Speaker 1: And your initial degree was in fine arts, is that correct?
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Speaker 2: Yes, My initial degree was in fine arts, absolutely, and
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Speaker 2: and that is actually kind of how I ended up
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Speaker 2: meeting my teacher, and so I enjoy the arts, the
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Speaker 2: visual arts very much.
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Speaker 1: So tell us about your introduction to Korea yoga, your teacher,
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Speaker 1: Ganesh Baba, and how this dramatically changed your life.
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Speaker 2: Well, I really didn't know what Korea yoga was, even
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Speaker 2: though the book by Parmahansa Yoga Nanda, Autobiography of Yogi
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Speaker 2: is a very popular book, probably more with people a
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Speaker 2: decade older than me or so, but it's always been
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Speaker 2: around and is on the I guess top spiritual list
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Speaker 2: of books that most people get exposed to if they're
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Speaker 2: in that pursuit. But I was introduced to ghanish Baba.
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Speaker 2: A good friend had some of my artwork is how
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Speaker 2: I understood it, and ghanish Baba saw some of it
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Speaker 2: and said that he was interested in meeting me.
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Speaker 3: And at the.
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Speaker 2: Time I was well read in Indian and Buddhist philosophy,
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Speaker 2: and rash Nishem Mukdananda were very popular in this untrue
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Speaker 2: with throngs of people headed to see them and an
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Speaker 2: invitation to go see another yogi. You know, it just
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Speaker 2: didn't really grab me. I was like, I really just
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Speaker 2: wasn't attracted to that the scene that I had seen
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Speaker 2: in kind of the popular press and stuff. So I declined,
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Speaker 2: and shortly thereafter I had a huge life transformation. I
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Speaker 2: lost a job, I got very very sick, I had
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Speaker 2: to move or relationship ended, and so after all of that,
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Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, okay, now which way
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Speaker 2: to turn? I got called again. He was in upstate
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Speaker 2: New York at the time, and I went up to
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Speaker 2: meet him, and yeah, we kind of tested each other
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Speaker 2: out a little bit, I think, and it was a
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Speaker 2: very small situation, you know, just a couple people around,
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Speaker 2: and he had a small group of you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: ten fifteen twenty max people around who kind of helped
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Speaker 2: take care of him and knew him. I was twenty
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Speaker 2: two at the time, he was eighty seven, and over
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Speaker 2: a three four months period of some kind of reproachment
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Speaker 2: going back and forth, I ended up really kind of
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Speaker 2: dedicating myself to studying with him. What he taught me
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Speaker 2: just really really worked. It was just like, Wow, this
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Speaker 2: is really something, and that's how we started to work together.
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Speaker 1: In retrospect, do you see that initial call by him
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Speaker 1: because of your art as a synchronicity, Oh?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, well, you know, synchronicity, I think is
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Speaker 2: I think this was a little more.
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Speaker 3: Somehow.
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Speaker 2: I think there was more of a connection, and I
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Speaker 2: guess you could look at it as synchronicity, but I'm
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Speaker 2: not so sure that it was. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 2: there's an a causal connection, which is kind of what
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Speaker 2: synchronicity talks about. But synchronicity is certainly something that you
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Speaker 2: know runs through my life. I have a good friend
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Speaker 2: who says he's never known anybody else with so much
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Speaker 2: ongoing synchronicity in their life. And a friend of mine
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Speaker 2: recently wrote something. Actually, another woman who studied very closely
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Speaker 2: with the Ganesh Baba, my teacher during those years, and
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Speaker 2: she she had a blog post the other day, I'm
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Speaker 2: prone to synchronicity, it said, and I thought, Wow, that's
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Speaker 2: really just great. I just I just loved that phrase.
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Speaker 2: Eve Newhouse is her name.
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Speaker 1: Now, ganesh Baba was the one who recommended that you
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Speaker 1: pursue the study of medicine. How did this manifest for you?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was, I mean I started teaching
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Speaker 2: very early on. You know, he had me teaching Korea
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Speaker 2: with him within you know, months of meeting him. And
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Speaker 2: I remember within six months I signed up for anatomy
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Speaker 2: and physiology class at the local community college to help
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Speaker 2: me teach career better because it's a very physiologically based
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Speaker 2: meditation technique. And and at the end of that year,
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Speaker 2: and I think I at the end of that year,
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Speaker 2: he kind of you know, turned to me and was like, well,
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Speaker 2: now it's and I was thinking about different graduate programs
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Speaker 2: or different types of integrative health to pursue, but he said, no,
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Speaker 2: you now you have to go to medical school, allopathic
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Speaker 2: medical school. You have to get an MD, and and so,
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Speaker 2: you know, so I did. Initially I would say that,
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Speaker 2: you know, it was I didn't always listen to everything
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Speaker 2: he said, for sure, but over time it was like, hmm, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I probably should have listened to that one or this
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Speaker 2: one and so so.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I looked around and you know, on how
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Speaker 2: to do it because my degree was in art and
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Speaker 2: I needed a you know, some prerequisites for medical school
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Speaker 2: and take the MCATs and this and that, and Columbia
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Speaker 2: and New York had had a program if you had
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Speaker 2: a bachelor's degree, you could join it, and it was
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Speaker 2: they kind of had a little structured and.
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Speaker 3: To go through it, and so I did. I joined that.
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Speaker 2: I moved to New York and started that and I
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Speaker 2: remember him saying to me, you know, you know you
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Speaker 2: can't go, Yeah, you're not ready, and I was like, well,
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Speaker 2: classes are starting. I mean so I felt like I was, well,
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Speaker 2: you said to do this, and classes are starting. And
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Speaker 2: so anyway, he ended up coming with me and then
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Speaker 2: we lived and taught together in New York City for
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Speaker 2: three years. After spending about a year and a half
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Speaker 2: up in the up in the up in a rural
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Speaker 2: area in the Finger Lakes region.
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Speaker 1: What is integrative medicine and how did this become part
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Speaker 1: of your practice?
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Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in the sixties and early seventies,
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Speaker 2: was my you know, childhood and adolescence, and I was
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Speaker 2: exposed to alternative medicine it was called then. I was
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Speaker 2: very nutrition conscious, I was very environmentally aware. In fact,
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Speaker 2: some of the artwork onish Baba Saw was about the
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Speaker 2: destruction that seemed like was happening to the planet with
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Speaker 2: a disregard of natural resources and pollution, and so that
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Speaker 2: was really just all always an interest of mine. I
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Speaker 2: had read about acupuncture, nutrition hands on work, and I
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Speaker 2: just always incorporated that from when I was young. Really,
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Speaker 2: I think even my grandparents had some My grandfather, my
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Speaker 2: maternal grandfather, was sick and so there were some alternative
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Speaker 2: therapies they were trying back then in the sixties, and
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Speaker 2: I was kind of comfortable with that, and I intended
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Speaker 2: to become an integrative a medicine primary care doctor when
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Speaker 2: I first went to medical school. Although I ended up
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Speaker 2: in a integrative I ended up in psychiatry for a
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Speaker 2: variety of reasons. Was influenced there actually a little bit
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Speaker 2: by Herbert Benson, who wrote the Relaxation Response, and when
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Speaker 2: I was studying with him a little bit during medical school,
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Speaker 2: he he kind of encouraged me to do a little
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Speaker 2: bit more of a traditional route than I was intending,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it was absolutely correct and the right
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Speaker 2: thing to do. And I've actually had a fascinating career
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Speaker 2: in psychiatry. I incorporate always incorporated nutrition. Everyone comes in
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Speaker 2: first as a they come in with a week's diary
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Speaker 2: of what they eat, and I incorporate acupuncture into what
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Speaker 2: I do, and exercise and meditation and different types of psychotherapy.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's how I got interested. So I
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Speaker 2: guess integrated medicine is really taking the best of everything
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Speaker 2: and really trying to put it together from a scientific standpoint,
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Speaker 2: not seeing different things as markedly different, and techniques that
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Speaker 2: don't necessarily complement one another, which can be often very effective.
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Speaker 1: What inspired your book Crea Yoga for Self Discovery?
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Speaker 2: Well, you could say, in a sense it was a
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Speaker 2: homework assignment. You know. Part of the way he taught
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Speaker 2: was having.
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Speaker 3: Us rewrite things, and.
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Speaker 2: He was hoping for, you know, a book about spiritual practice,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I certainly had hoped to do it
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Speaker 2: decades earlier, but it was it was the moment to
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Speaker 2: do it, and it was a very synchronistic affair. I
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Speaker 2: realized as I was getting older that I had to.
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Speaker 2: Although I always taught for forty five years, I've been
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Speaker 2: teaching this, you know, not so much publicly. But I
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Speaker 2: realized ten fifteen years ago, probably not fifteen years ago,
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Speaker 2: that you know, it was time to begin to make
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Speaker 2: myself a little more available in a public way, and
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Speaker 2: the book was part of that.
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Speaker 1: So in essence, the book was part of it, and
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Speaker 1: you were sharing your experiences in this practice.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I was hoping that the book
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Speaker 2: would The other real I guess inspiration for the book
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Speaker 2: is there were a number of books written on crea
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Speaker 2: yoga out there, and I thought that they were unnecessarily
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Speaker 2: complex and really didn't give the essence of the practice
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Speaker 2: and certainly didn't pull it together in a more holistic
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Speaker 2: and integrative way as I was taught it and how
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Speaker 2: I teach it, you know, after medical training, which you know,
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Speaker 2: in hindsight, I think that was probably the project that
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Speaker 2: was probably my mas and overall, you know, practice this
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Speaker 2: deeply because I was with him for a better part
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Speaker 2: of five years pretty much just sitting next to him
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Speaker 2: and doing meditation and so taking that going into medicine, practicing,
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Speaker 2: and then pulling it all together for the West. In fact,
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Speaker 2: he wanted everything in English. So even some of some
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Speaker 2: some Sanskrit words he still used when I wrote the book,
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Speaker 2: I was, you know, I moved them into English. And
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Speaker 2: so that was his goal to have it all in English.
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Speaker 2: And so there was no kind of getting lost and
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Speaker 2: what does this word mean or that word mean? You
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Speaker 2: could really just go forward with the practice.
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Speaker 1: Please tell us about your co author, Andrew J.
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Speaker 3: Lett.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, Andrea, So I was, I was trying to
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Speaker 2: find the time to write. And I had a few
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Speaker 2: physician friends who were authors who wrote a number of books,
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Speaker 2: and you know, they would they're like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: get help. You know, we don't write our own book.
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Speaker 2: You know, here's here's here's some names. And so over
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Speaker 2: about seven years, actually I interviewed seven different kind of
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Speaker 2: co writers and then, you know, none of it really clicked.
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Speaker 2: And so here's a synchronicity story for you. So one
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Speaker 2: day I got on Indeed, and I was like, wow,
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Speaker 2: do people who write advertise on here? And yeah, and
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Speaker 2: there were a couple people and they were local. I
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Speaker 2: wanted to do something local, not long distance. And I
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Speaker 2: thought okay, And so I wasn't quite ready. Six months
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Speaker 2: later I got a postcard in the mail from Indeed.
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Speaker 2: I thought it must be time to look, and boom,
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Speaker 2: I looked and there was Andrea, you know, a little
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Speaker 2: advertisement in her picture and her CV and I didn't
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Speaker 2: have to really deeply sign into it into that program
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Speaker 2: because I could see her email like it was showing.
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Speaker 2: So I emailed her and we met for coffee and
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Speaker 2: really that was it, you know, I think we met
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Speaker 2: for coffee and three hours later she was like, wow,
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Speaker 2: I better go, you know, check on my daughter. So
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Speaker 2: it was a good meeting to begin with. And we
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Speaker 2: worked together for and so she she had a degree
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Speaker 2: in neuroscience and studied nutrition and she taught yoga for
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Speaker 2: twenty years, Hata yoga. So it was a very good combination.
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Speaker 2: And she had some writing awards. So I worked with
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Speaker 2: her trying to teach her creat you know, for a
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Speaker 2: number of months, and then you know, she would write
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Speaker 2: the book and then one day, she just said to me,
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Speaker 2: you know, Keith, I'm not going to be able to
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Speaker 2: write this book. You know, You're going to have to
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Speaker 2: write it. And so I was like, okay. So then
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Speaker 2: I spent like about you know, two weekends, two three
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Speaker 2: day weekends, and wrote three hundred pages just boom, and
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Speaker 2: all kind of came right out. And then I gave
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Speaker 2: her that and said, well, can you kind of organize
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Speaker 2: this a little bit? And you know, she worked on
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Speaker 2: it for a number of months and it back to
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Speaker 2: me and that turned out to be probably the first
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Speaker 2: fifty to sixty percent of the book, and and it
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Speaker 2: went like that. So she was very instrumental in that.
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Speaker 2: And and we even taught together a couple of times,
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Speaker 2: and she had great energy and it was very easy
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Speaker 2: to work with her. When we taught together, we complemented
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Speaker 2: each other well. So so she also teaches sometimes And yeah,
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Speaker 2: so that's that's that's a little bit about about about
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Speaker 2: Andrea wonderful.
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Speaker 1: As in all yoga practices, there's a lineage of master teachers.
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Speaker 1: What is the lineage of Korea yoga.
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Speaker 2: Crea Yoga is really basic Indian meditation. You could think
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Speaker 2: of it as the art and science of yoga meditation,
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Speaker 2: and and there's many lineages and they all have slightly
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Speaker 2: different names. But there's there's something called Patanjoli's Yoga Sutras
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Speaker 2: pulled together about two thousand years ago, fifteen hundred years ago,
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Speaker 2: somewhere in there. Dating it's a little challenging, but it
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Speaker 2: was the first kind of written compilation of the practices
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Speaker 2: that were being handed down with oral tradition for many years.
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Speaker 2: And Raja yoga is really a a is reelly potently
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Speaker 2: yoga sutras, and so is Crea yoga. It's one of those,
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Speaker 2: one of one of the one of the lineages from
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Speaker 2: that tradition. Yoga kind of has four main traditions. There's
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Speaker 2: Raja yoga, which is as psychophysiological type of practice that
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Speaker 2: that's Korea. Crea is one of those. It's got Bacha yoga,
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Speaker 2: which is a very devotional form of yoga, much like
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Speaker 2: Christianity is practiced. It's got karma yoga. A good example
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Speaker 2: of that is Mother Teresa, who many people you know
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Speaker 2: know about. It has a Yana yoga, which is more
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Speaker 2: study of scripture, maybe a little bit more like the
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Speaker 2: Hebrews do with de Torah. But those are kind of
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Speaker 2: broad comparisons, and Hatha yoga really is part of potentially's
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Speaker 2: yoga sutras that has eight parts to it. And so
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Speaker 2: the first two parts of kind of like the Ten Commandments,
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Speaker 2: and then the third part is the Ten Commandments or
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Speaker 2: the eightfold Noble Path, and the next part is the
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Speaker 2: physical body or asanas and uh, and then it kind
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Speaker 2: of you know, goes from there the different stages, so
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Speaker 2: in that and and I think we're going to come
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Speaker 2: to that in a little bit. And so the lineage
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Speaker 2: here starts with someone named Babajee, which you know, maybe
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Speaker 2: a specific individual or may really represent and maybe a
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Speaker 2: specific individual, but really represents kind of yogi's in the Himalayas,
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Speaker 2: who this this is really what they do. You know,
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Speaker 2: they're they're they're devoted to practicing meditation all the time,
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Speaker 2: and and they've kept these practices. The hamalias have been
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Speaker 2: pretty protected over the centuries, even though there's been you know,
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Speaker 2: various changes and various wars of this and that and
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Speaker 2: conquering of different cultures. But these these techniques seem to
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Speaker 2: go back thousands of years and are ubiquitous, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: across all the major religions east and West. So it's
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Speaker 2: not that it's it's all that if you really look
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Speaker 2: deeply at physiologically what people are doing, there's there's great similarities.
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Speaker 2: So this man, Lahiri Mahasayah had a calling to go
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Speaker 2: to the Himalias and met his teacher there, Babajee, and
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Speaker 2: he came back and you know, lived a license as
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Speaker 2: a householder. It's also practice for householders. It's not meant
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Speaker 2: for well. It certainly can be used for monks, but
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Speaker 2: that's not a prerequisite, right. This is something to use
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Speaker 2: for people who you know, go to school, have a family,
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Speaker 2: have a job, but to practice and develop their spiritual
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Speaker 2: site at the same time. And so Lahiri Mahasaiah had
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Speaker 2: a variety of students, you know, some are well known,
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Speaker 2: some are not. And it's kind of continued from there.
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Speaker 2: I have actually training from four of the different lines
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Speaker 2: in various ways. And ghanish Babo's parents were followers of
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Speaker 2: Lahiri Mahasaya and so as a baby, his his as
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Speaker 2: an infant, his life was saved by Lahiri. The originator
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Speaker 2: of these techniques are the person who brought them, you know,
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Speaker 2: into the householder tradition and started to share them, and
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Speaker 2: then he worked with someone named Sanya Mahasaya, who was
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Speaker 2: one of Lahiri's a youngest and last students, but very
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Speaker 2: senior from a spiritual standpoint. And then he had other
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Speaker 2: teachers as well, and he was first became a swami
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Speaker 2: by Swami Shivnanda, who practiced very similar techniques but from
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Speaker 2: a slightly different tradition. And so from from my standpoint,
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Speaker 2: I have just absorbed a lot. I've been just very
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Speaker 2: lucky and had all these different teachers that had connections
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Speaker 2: to this lineage that I didn't really even realize initially.
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Speaker 2: There's also ghanish Baba received training from Shri Riktashwar, who
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Speaker 2: was the teacher of Yoga Nanda. So there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of cross fertilization. It's a little complicated, and that the
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Speaker 2: names are not ones that people hear frequently, but I've
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Speaker 2: written a book and it's a little clear in there.
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Speaker 2: In fact, ghanish Baba's full name is Shri Mahant swamming
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Speaker 2: ganishan On Saraswatigiri.
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Speaker 1: about you and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, thank you. Yeah, well, the book is published
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Speaker 2: by Inner Traditions and you could go to their website.
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Speaker 2: It's also available all the major booksellers you know online,
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Speaker 2: and I have a website www dot Korea k r
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Speaker 2: I y a Breath dot com, Korea Breath dot com,
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Speaker 2: and there you can see I offer I offer online
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Speaker 2: classes four times a year. In fact, the next class
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, Keith Lowenstein.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about his book Crea Yoga for Self Discovery
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Speaker 1: Practices for Deep States of Meditation. Keith, before we go
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Speaker 1: on with the book, you had also told me you
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Speaker 1: have a master website that has all of these things
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Speaker 1: on it. What's that website?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have another website. It is called human Holistics
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Speaker 2: with an S at the end, humanholistics dot com. Because
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Speaker 2: I also have a master's in Interfaith Divinity and so
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Speaker 2: I do spiritual counseling there, and I do coaching. I
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Speaker 2: work with physicians and burnout and do really a holistic
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Speaker 2: form of coaching for anybody, and can work on nutrition, lifestyle.
26:26
Speaker 2: I'm not there as a physician, but given my decades
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Speaker 2: all kinds of specialties, it really has informed that coaching
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Speaker 2: practice and really can help people get back on track.
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Speaker 2: And so those three things are there if you look,
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Speaker 2: and there's a link there to the Korea site as well.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Now, what does Korea mean and how does the
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Speaker 1: meaning sort of work into what we're talking about today.
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Speaker 2: Well, create kind of means work and y'ah can refer
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Speaker 2: to breath or spirit, and yoga is is kind of
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Speaker 2: yoking things together, like the mind, body and spirit. So
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Speaker 2: it's the integration of mind, body and spirit. So in
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Speaker 2: Korea we're really using the breath as well as other things,
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Speaker 2: but it's the work of the breath to really integrate
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Speaker 2: the mind, body and spirit and to have a more
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Speaker 2: integrated life.
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Speaker 1: What is the importance of spinal alignment in Korea yoga?
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Speaker 2: Well know, many meditation techniques talk about sitting up, but
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Speaker 2: that's about all they do. And I think it's really
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Speaker 2: just kind of faded over the centuries or over the millennia, really,
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Speaker 2: But breath is so it's intricately related to the nervous system.
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Speaker 2: And the nervous system has different parts to it. Right,
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Speaker 2: we have the voluntary part, like we can move our arms,
27:58
Speaker 2: we can think, but there's a whole nother part called
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Speaker 2: the autonomic nervous system or automatic nervous system that is
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Speaker 2: digesting our food, making our urine, pumping our heart. You know,
28:10
Speaker 2: thank goodness, we don't have to remember to do all
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Speaker 2: of that stuff right, So and breathe for us. But
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Speaker 2: the breath and so this all happens in the brain
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Speaker 2: stem kind of a very old, kind of ancient part
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Speaker 2: of the brain, goes back to reptiles. But the breath,
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Speaker 2: we can reach right into that center and modulate it
28:31
Speaker 2: through the breath. So one of the things that happens
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Speaker 2: in that center is the fight or flight response can
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Speaker 2: get activated, which many people are aware of when we're
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Speaker 2: stressed or this or that. And so the breath really
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Speaker 2: helps build up the other side of that nervous system,
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Speaker 2: the more restorative and relaxing side of that nervous system.
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Speaker 2: So the sympathetic speeds things up. The pair sympathetic kind
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Speaker 2: of slows it down. And we have nothing in the culture,
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Speaker 2: our culture that helps us with the pair of sympathetic side.
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Speaker 2: Everything's go, go, go, go, go go go. So by
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Speaker 2: sitting straight, it allows us to breathe fully because if
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Speaker 2: we're hunched over, our lungs, which come all the way
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Speaker 2: up to above our clavicles, can't really fill up. So
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Speaker 2: the practice is very breath focused, and you learn these
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Speaker 2: breathing techniques to just help you just learn to deliciously
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Speaker 2: love your breath and play with it in just you know,
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Speaker 2: wonderful and creative ways. And that's just really makes a
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Speaker 2: huge change for people. And it's something that they can,
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Speaker 2: you know, grab onto fairly quickly, and it's regardless and
29:45
Speaker 2: anyone in a similar state of health will experience similar
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Speaker 2: changes from the techniques. So and it's only you know,
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Speaker 2: one of one of the techniques, but breath is just
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Speaker 2: so so so powerful and and the diaphragm is also
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Speaker 2: negatively affected by poor posture, and that's our main muscle
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Speaker 2: for breathing, and it connects actually to the lower ribs,
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Speaker 2: but also connects to our low spine. And so if
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Speaker 2: our lumbar spine isn't right and we're hunched over and
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Speaker 2: our rib cage is collapsed and our balloons, these two big,
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Speaker 2: beautiful living lungs like that want to like fill up
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Speaker 2: fully just can't. And all that leads to kind of
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Speaker 2: stress and dysfunction in the nervous system. And so by
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Speaker 2: sitting up while you're really opening things up and then
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Speaker 2: you start to practice you know, breath work and it
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Speaker 2: really opens up a whole other world.
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Speaker 1: If someone has back issues, will this practice help them?
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Speaker 2: You know, depending on their back issue, right, they'll need
30:51
Speaker 2: to work with whoever they're connected with. So you know,
30:55
Speaker 2: sometimes the physical therapist can be very helpful. Sometimes all
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Speaker 2: you need is massage. Sometimes you need more than that.
31:03
Speaker 2: You need a you know, an osteopath or or even
31:07
Speaker 2: more intensive work, depending but physical therapy is a good
31:09
Speaker 2: way to start. But you have to build up the
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Speaker 2: muscle slowly in your back. But regardless, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: as the years go on. So a healthy, uninjured twenty
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Speaker 2: year old should be able to like handle this with
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Speaker 2: a little discomfort. But you know, a sixty year old
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Speaker 2: who has some degenerative change and maybe he's had an
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Speaker 2: injury or some genetic you know, contributions, it's a little
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Speaker 2: bit harder. And you know, having some support and not
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Speaker 2: pushing things because you don't want to hurt yourself is
31:39
Speaker 2: very important. But any change that increases your ability to
31:46
Speaker 2: rest for respiration and helps your posture because also your
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Speaker 2: nervous system clearly functions better. When you're in these states
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Speaker 2: and in deep states of spiritual engagement, your posture can
31:59
Speaker 2: really significant change.
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Speaker 3: Just by itself.
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Speaker 2: But even if you're you know, someone with bad osteoporosis
32:05
Speaker 2: who's maybe eighty two, right, if they if they you know,
32:09
Speaker 2: have a little bit of support and they start to
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Speaker 2: breathe and they get just a little bit more movement, Wow,
32:14
Speaker 2: they do get a great sense of relief. Now, are
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Speaker 2: they going to be a great krea yogi? You know,
32:21
Speaker 2: we do have some physical limitations here, but crea yoga
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Speaker 2: isn't the only technique for these things. But what Korea
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Speaker 2: does is it is it really kind of takes the
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Speaker 2: natural kind of physiological changes that occur in spontaneous spiritual experiences,
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Speaker 2: and we teach ourselves how to get us how to
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Speaker 2: get ourselves into that state of receptivity through our body
32:47
Speaker 2: and mind and then and then we can experience it
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Speaker 2: that way. So and then there's all kinds of practices
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Speaker 2: and they're you know, they're all valid in their own right.
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Speaker 2: And you know, different practices work with different work well
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Speaker 2: for different people. Even in Korea, there's four main practices
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Speaker 2: that we focus on to begin with, and you know,
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Speaker 2: people are gonna have different resonance with different ones. They
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Speaker 2: can play a little bit more with one, and that's
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Speaker 2: the other thing, it's not a very rigid, rigid, rigid routine.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's flexibility in play. It's a it's
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Speaker 2: a creative process of integration. So it's it's like learning
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Speaker 2: a sport. You know, you learn kind of these different
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Speaker 2: practices and you practice them, you know, drills like you
33:34
Speaker 2: were gonna do if you're gonna learn baseball, you'd learn
33:37
Speaker 2: to throw and catch and run and the rules and
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Speaker 2: then you sit down and then you then then you
33:43
Speaker 2: can play the game. And boy, playing the game of
33:47
Speaker 2: meditation is really just wonderful and it just gets.
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Speaker 3: More and more and more.
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Speaker 2: Interesting as the years pass. I mean, it's just a
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Speaker 2: you just kind of open up to like the collective
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Speaker 2: unconscious and just more and more. There's just so much
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Speaker 2: and of course compassion and opening your heart and so.
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Speaker 1: What are some of the pranayama the breathing techniques employed
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Speaker 1: in Korea yoga.
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Speaker 2: So you know, they're pretty basic, basic techniques. So we
34:25
Speaker 2: teach something called full yogic breath or and we refer
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Speaker 2: to it as our four for regular relaxed rhythmic respiration.
34:33
Speaker 2: And we're kind of teaching how to take a full breath,
34:36
Speaker 2: how to fill up the whole the whole body from
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Speaker 2: the pelvis all the way up to the throat with breath,
34:42
Speaker 2: really like experiencing that, learning about how the ribs move
34:48
Speaker 2: holding it. So there's inspiration, there's retention, and then there's
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Speaker 2: slow exhalation and then so that there's retention on with
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Speaker 2: full breath, there's retention with empty breath. Retention isn't really
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Speaker 2: rest in the long run, but it is helpful to
35:03
Speaker 2: re educate the respiratory system. So that's a lot of
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Speaker 2: what we're doing here is re educating the nervous the
35:10
Speaker 2: respiratory system. So the names that they've been assigned to
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Speaker 2: keep it in English is jet breath, ocean breath, and
35:19
Speaker 2: vacuum breath. And what are those For people who have
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Speaker 2: some pranayama experience. Pranayama is the name of breathing exercises.
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Speaker 2: That's what that means, right, breathing exercises. So jet breath
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Speaker 2: is capola batti and it's a it's a rapidly it's
35:36
Speaker 2: a rapid breath, kind of like breath of fire. Shining
35:38
Speaker 2: skull breath are similar. Ujaya breath is ocean breath, and
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Speaker 2: that's when you're you know, working with kind of vibrations
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Speaker 2: in the back of your throat and your nasal cavity.
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Speaker 2: Vacuum breath is a modified Udiana banda, which is again
35:54
Speaker 2: you know, using using abdominal muscles and using using them
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Speaker 2: in a different way with some retention with empty lungs,
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Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of practice those other ones
36:05
Speaker 2: to help you get into deeper states and really for
36:07
Speaker 2: your lungs to get accustomed to being more expansive. You know,
36:11
Speaker 2: after some work with that, wow, you breathe completely different
36:16
Speaker 2: and you're in this just beautiful flow and it very
36:20
Speaker 2: quickly changes how you feel and your ability to concentrate
36:25
Speaker 2: in your presence. And really the only thing that we
36:30
Speaker 2: can control to any great degree is our attention, and
36:34
Speaker 2: this breath work really helps us, you know, learn how
36:37
Speaker 2: to do that.
36:38
Speaker 1: Or are there mantras in this practice?
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Speaker 2: You know, there are specific mantras with everything, but they're
36:45
Speaker 2: a mantra or using vibration. Vibration sound chanting is one
36:53
Speaker 2: of the pieces one of the practices. And OHM is
36:57
Speaker 2: really you know, what's what we use as as the
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Speaker 2: most basic and it's thought to be really the most universal.
37:05
Speaker 2: So you can think of ome as I mean the
37:08
Speaker 2: Bible says, in the beginning was the word? What was
37:11
Speaker 2: the word? What is the word? And so I think
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Speaker 2: of it as a vibration. In the beginning, there was
37:17
Speaker 2: an initial vibration, something happened, right, something started to vibrate,
37:22
Speaker 2: And so, so, what are we getting at here? What
37:25
Speaker 2: is God? What is God? What is you know, ultimate
37:29
Speaker 2: universal unity, as ghanash Baba liked to call it, or
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Speaker 2: the divine? What are we touching? People touch it? People
37:36
Speaker 2: experience deep love when they touch it?
37:38
Speaker 3: What is that? How is it?
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Speaker 2: You know? The way you know, from a scientific viewpoint,
37:43
Speaker 2: the way I think of it is it's when we
37:46
Speaker 2: just can get so still, as Yogananda puts it, when
37:50
Speaker 2: the when the search lights of our five external senses
37:54
Speaker 2: are turned inward, the nervous system then starts to work
37:59
Speaker 2: completely differently. All the parts start to communicate differently. We
38:03
Speaker 2: get very still, and we perceive, we get close to
38:06
Speaker 2: perceiving that stillness, that that initial vibration, that oh the word,
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Speaker 2: you know, that that kind of sense, and it's so
38:15
Speaker 2: familiar to us. It's like, oh, oh my god. You know,
38:19
Speaker 2: it's like there's such a deep recognition. It's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm home, Like this is really this is really the place,
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Speaker 2: and that's where all the love just pours in because
38:30
Speaker 2: you know they're just the unity of everything just is
38:34
Speaker 2: so clear. Oh, Ohm is a way, one way.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. How does meditation in Crea practice differ from other practices?
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Speaker 2: I think the way gennesh Baba talkt Korea is very
38:50
Speaker 2: creative and leads let let's lets you really play. So
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Speaker 2: the way I like to teach it is, you know,
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Speaker 2: a master of the basics or as best you can,
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Speaker 2: which is posture, breath, you know, third eye, concentration and
39:05
Speaker 2: playing with vibration. Master the basics and we refer to
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Speaker 2: them as the four v's verticalization, ventilation, visualization, and vibrationalization.
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Speaker 2: Master the four v's, and play with the edges, you know,
39:21
Speaker 2: and start to start to see kind of where you go.
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Speaker 2: Every practice is a little bit different in every every tradition,
39:30
Speaker 2: or not even the traditions, because every tradition has multiple lineages, right,
39:34
Speaker 2: and they all kind of focus on one little piece
39:37
Speaker 2: or another. But you know, everybody for for meditation, you know,
39:43
Speaker 2: most people sit, I mean the Sufi's dance. You know,
39:47
Speaker 2: in chigong there is movement. Chigong is like Korea in motion.
39:52
Speaker 2: It's you know, beautiful, but it's just it's a it's
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Speaker 2: a sitting practice and it's and it's yeah, I see
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Speaker 2: it as a foundational practice that no matter what you do, actually,
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Speaker 2: if you learn this and put your practice on top
40:09
Speaker 2: of it, you will really accelerate. And that's how it
40:17
Speaker 2: was first explained to me that this is kind of
40:19
Speaker 2: an accelerated process, and for me it was, I mean,
40:23
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40:29
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40:31
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40:33
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40:37
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40:40
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40:43
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40:46
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40:50
Speaker 2: to because they're not as much in the physical realm,
40:56
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Speaker 1: Practices for Deep States of Meditation. Keith, your book refers
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Speaker 1: to Korea as spirit in fa used science. Please explain.
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Speaker 2: Well, as I mentioned, Korea and Raja yoga, are use
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Speaker 2: physiological and psychological techniques to help shift your state of awareness.
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Speaker 2: So you're the state of awareness of your nervous system,
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Speaker 2: just like sleep is a different state of awareness, or
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Speaker 2: some people refer to it as a different state of consciousness.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we are still alive. There's consciousness really there,
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Speaker 2: and we have a very challenging time just defining consciousness.
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Speaker 2: But we work with the science from like I was explaining,
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Speaker 2: from the physiological standpoint, but you know, it's and we
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Speaker 2: kind of move up and so we have practices for
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Speaker 2: the physical body, for our biology, our physiology, for our mind,
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Speaker 2: and for the spiritual side, and we are learning to
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Speaker 2: kind of we're kind of it's an inner technology. It's
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Speaker 2: like a software that we just we install slowly and
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Speaker 2: well it's even just there, but we start to use
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Speaker 2: it and it shifts the way our hardware functions. So
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Speaker 2: just like if you put a new program into your computer,
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you can do things on it
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Speaker 2: that you couldn't before. So everything's still the same, all
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Speaker 2: the hardware, but the software. So we're kind of playing
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Speaker 2: with the software and science actually has plenty. You know,
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Speaker 2: there's a brand new book that came out just recently.
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Speaker 2: I Am a part of Infinity, the Spiritual Journey of
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Speaker 2: Albert Einstein, And when I teach, I love to use
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Speaker 2: this one quote of his and it's that particular quote
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Speaker 2: is the front piece of the book, and the quote
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Speaker 2: is I'm going to read it because it's just so powerful.
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Speaker 2: A human being is a part of the whole called
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Speaker 2: by us universe, a part limited in space and time.
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Speaker 2: It's like I was talking about before. You know, this
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Speaker 2: helps you experience energies that are beyond space and time.
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Speaker 2: Einstein continues, we experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as
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Speaker 2: something separate from the rest, a kind of optical delusion
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Speaker 2: of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,
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Speaker 2: restricting us to our personal desires and to the affection
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Speaker 2: for a few persons nearest to us. So it's really
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Speaker 2: he's talking about our delusion lost in just this reality,
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Speaker 2: the space time continuum. And he finally says, our task
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Speaker 2: must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening
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Speaker 2: our circle of compassion, to embrace all living creatures and
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Speaker 2: the whole of nature in its beauty, and he goes
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Speaker 2: on after that and even talks about that it's the
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Speaker 2: task is important in itself, and the striving of the
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Speaker 2: task helps with inner secure and and and liberation to
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Speaker 2: a degree because because of the devotion there. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: so scientists are not are clearly also connected to with
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Speaker 2: spirit and and and that's that's that's the goal here.
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Speaker 1: You share that Ganesh Baba found that the practice of
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Speaker 1: Korea yoga automatically brought out interpersonal restraints and observances in
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Speaker 1: the practitioner. Please share these with us and why they're
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Speaker 1: so important, so.
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Speaker 2: That that refers to the first two practices in potentially's
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Speaker 2: yoga sutras. They're called the Yamas and niyamas. But again,
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Speaker 2: like I said, they're like the Ten Commandments or the
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Speaker 2: eightfold Noble path. And but by by these practices so
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Speaker 2: many traditions have you kind of change your behaviors first,
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Speaker 2: which is quite a challenge. But but but this, these
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Speaker 2: practices kind of change you from the inside out and
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Speaker 2: you kind of don't it happens automatically. You become more compassionate,
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Speaker 2: which is really kind of the root of almost all
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Speaker 2: of it, you know, and those things really really just
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Speaker 2: melt away. He would always say, you know, no worries
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Speaker 2: about that. It will come practice, practice, practice, And it's
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Speaker 2: the compassion that you develop and touching that ultimate universal
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Speaker 2: unity that just you know, changes your nervous system. It
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Speaker 2: causes deep neuroplastic change in your nervous system. And once
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Speaker 2: you have experienced that change, it is very difficult to
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Speaker 2: go back and forget about it. You might have a
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Speaker 2: difficult time staying there, and that's where the practices come
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Speaker 2: in to help you stay there more often. But it's
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Speaker 2: not something you can forget.
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Speaker 1: How may this practice open our third eye?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the practices.
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Speaker 2: So learning learning, so calming that nervous system down, getting
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Speaker 2: in a place of constant calmness, you know, working on
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Speaker 2: your autonomic nervous system, and then taking that concentration and
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Speaker 2: utilizing it in a way to focus your attention in
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Speaker 2: various areas in a deeply relaxed state that allows that
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Speaker 2: to develop over time. I mean, it's not something you
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Speaker 2: know you do in five minutes, right, it's just it's
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Speaker 2: it's another one of the practices. Right, You're no longer
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Speaker 2: your eyes are no longer busy looking all around, They're inside, right,
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Speaker 2: they're quieted down, and it's it's and that's part of
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Speaker 2: the process. But you know, knowing how to look and
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Speaker 2: where to look and all that, it just comes with
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Speaker 2: time and practice.
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Speaker 1: What would you like readers to take away from creat
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Speaker 1: yoga for self discovery.
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Speaker 2: That they need to practice? Yeah, yeah, that that It's
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Speaker 2: not the only way, you know, but it is a
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Speaker 2: a way that can be you know, an accelerated path
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Speaker 2: under other than kind of the spontaneous spiritual experiences. That
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Speaker 2: the deep connection, deep connection with the source or divinity
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Speaker 2: or you know, the infinite is there. I mean, it
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Speaker 2: is just there and and and.
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Speaker 3: It's a guide.
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Speaker 2: It will introduce you and it also teaches you a
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Speaker 2: little bit about the nervous system. And there's a variety
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Speaker 2: of different things in there, you know, a universal theory
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Speaker 2: of human experience, how it relates to the electromagnetic spectrum.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of other little tidbits in there.
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Speaker 2: But I mean the goal is to have some faith
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Speaker 2: in yourself practice and just you know, and and wherever
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Speaker 2: you are, you know, if you are really have the
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Speaker 2: intention of moving into this these other dimensions, your teacher
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Speaker 2: will show up.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We had the synchronicity talking about synchronicities of meeting
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Speaker 1: through All Faith Seminary International. What drew you to that
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Speaker 1: organization and led to your ordination as an interfaith minister
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Speaker 1: and Masters of Divinity?
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Speaker 2: You know, I think it was, Yeah, in in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty three, I was living in New York with Ginnesh
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Speaker 2: Baba and I was at Columbia and we got an
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Speaker 2: invitation on Easter Sunday to go to an interfaith service
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Speaker 2: at Christ Church on Park Avenue and to have him participate.
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, we walked in and there's you know,
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Speaker 2: Swami sach Adnanda, peer of eliak Khan, Rabbi Gelberman and
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Speaker 2: Stendal Rast and Ghanesh Baba you know, participated in the
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Speaker 2: service with them. So I spent the day with all
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Speaker 2: of them. And it was also my birthday that year,
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Speaker 2: which was you know kind of you know, a a
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Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. And so I met Rabbi Gelberman. Rabbi
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Speaker 2: Gelberman UH would have regular discussions with Swami Sachi Dinanda.
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Speaker 2: They broadcast regular meetings where they would talk about interfaith discussions,
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Speaker 2: and Rabbi Gelberman was started a number of interfaith UH
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Speaker 2: seminaries over the years, and I remember at the time thinking, wow,
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Speaker 2: I would really like to kind of pursue that interfaith studies,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, to be in New York, and you know,
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Speaker 2: during my pre med time, I didn't have time to
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Speaker 2: do that, and then I was gone from New York.
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Speaker 3: But then COVID happened.
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Speaker 2: Then it went online and I was like wow, so
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Speaker 2: I I reconnected with them and was able to pursue that.
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Speaker 2: So that's that is how that that is how that
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Speaker 2: came about.
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Speaker 1: And we have the pleasure of being trained and ordained
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Speaker 1: through that same lineage, for which I am so grateful.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, it's really just a beautiful program that
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Speaker 2: still goes on. And I'm now actively involved there and
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Speaker 2: teach there and initiated spearheaded the start of a new
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Speaker 2: program that has this also this wonderful part of it
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Speaker 2: called the Seekers Compass, a program that focuses on mysticism.
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Speaker 2: They have programs that focus on a course in miracles.
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Speaker 2: There's a rabbinical track, there's an interfaith track, and now
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Speaker 2: there's this mysticism track where you can become a minister,
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Speaker 2: pursue a master as a doctorate in all these fields
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Speaker 2: and I work there with on the on the Mysticism
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Speaker 2: program with Reverend Bud James, who's you know, wonderful and
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Speaker 2: it's a very interesting, interesting program.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it's through that organization that you and I
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Speaker 1: had the synchronicity of meeting and having this blessed connection
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Speaker 1: for which I'm so, so so grateful. My guest, Keith
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Speaker 1: Lowenstein his book Korea Yoga for Self Discovery Practices for
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Speaker 1: Deep States of Meditation. Keith, once again, please share with
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Speaker 1: listeners where they can get your book and find out
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Speaker 1: more about you and your amazing work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so Careerbreath dot com or Humanholistics dot com you
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Speaker 2: can you can look up.
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Speaker 3: Both of those.
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Speaker 2: My book is available at the publisher and Traditions or
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Speaker 2: wherever you enjoy buying books online or at your local bookstore.
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Speaker 2: And if you're interested, please don't hesitate to reach out.
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Speaker 2: You can reach me through either of those websites. And
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Speaker 2: I wish you all the best in your travels, your
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Speaker 2: and your pursuits.
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Speaker 1: Keith, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: this wonderful journey that you've taken and all of the
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Speaker 1: blessings and teachings that you've received and continue to pass
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Speaker 1: on today.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for for having me, this was
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Speaker 2: really an honor.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.