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Credlin | 25 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. Parliament back Labor well and truly still
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Speaker 2: on the back foot, anger mounting across the country over
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Speaker 2: its tax grabs. A fiery question time. I'll get to
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Speaker 2: that shortly and assign the opposition's finally going to step
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Speaker 2: up and fight.
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Speaker 3: For women and women's spaces.
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Speaker 2: Today are Private Members bill table to reinstate biological sex
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Speaker 2: in the Sex Discrimination Act.
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Speaker 3: The MP who's leading the charge, I'll speak to her shortly. Class.
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Speaker 2: It could have huge ramifications for the trial of Ben
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Speaker 2: Roberts Smith after revelations at Labor lowered the threshold as
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Speaker 2: to what amounts to a war crime very quietly two
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Speaker 2: years ago. I'll get the views of Tony Abbott on
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Speaker 2: that and also his return to the political fight as
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Speaker 2: the new federal President of the Liberal Party and those
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Speaker 2: that ecccenes question time firay, but so towards this contretemp
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Speaker 2: involving Liberal MP or l and PMP Phil Thompson suspended
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Speaker 2: from the House refusing to back down and his fight
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Speaker 2: for veterans. Phil Thompson joins me. Tonight, i'd the.
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Speaker 4: Matter is resolved in the affirmative, the member shall remove
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Speaker 4: himself from the services of the House for twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: That's a big deal, first time in five years. Will
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Speaker 2: talk to Phil in a moment, the first, as I
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Speaker 2: said they would. Labor will be forced into an embarrassing
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Speaker 2: back down on some aspects of the changes to the
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax. I think as well it will happen
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Speaker 2: with the death taxes too, as well as other senseless
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Speaker 2: cuts in the budget involving veterans and other groups that
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Speaker 2: they claim to support when they want the pr win,
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Speaker 2: but abandon when they think they can get away with
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Speaker 2: it anyway you cut it. This budget's a dog and
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Speaker 2: that's being unkind to dogs. Gallery veteran Simon Benson said
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Speaker 2: as much in The Australian Today, and he said that
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Speaker 2: while Labour's hoping voters will forget their lies, or at
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Speaker 2: least forgive them in time, Benson says that won't happen.
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Speaker 2: Will voters remember this broken promise?
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Speaker 3: He writes, Will you bet?
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Speaker 2: And I'd argue that the reason is this in part
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Speaker 2: because these days voters have very little tolerance for political lies,
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Speaker 2: given how often the Albanezer government has said one thing
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Speaker 2: and done another, but mainly because the people being hit
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Speaker 2: the hardest by this budget is almost every single one
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Speaker 2: of us. The pain is across the board, across almost
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Speaker 2: every demographic, including the aspirational young that Labour thought they
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Speaker 2: had locked up as voters forever.
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Speaker 3: Not anymore.
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Speaker 2: It's why the PM's office clearly came down as hard
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Speaker 2: as it did on the Speaker Milton Dick after he
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Speaker 2: allowed the use of the word lie in the chamber
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Speaker 2: the other day and then was forced to ban it
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Speaker 2: the next day.
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Speaker 4: Was directed, now I've done further research because that you
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Speaker 4: raised it with me, I don't want that term used.
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Speaker 4: And following on from the research that I've done regarding
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Speaker 4: referring to political parties, I'm just going to ask for
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Speaker 4: that to be tempered.
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Speaker 3: Now. Back then, it was two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Labor hard heads knew that branding the Prime Minister as
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Speaker 2: a liar would hurt them and that's why they fought
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Speaker 2: so hard back then and again today to shut it down.
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Speaker 3: And today it was interesting.
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Speaker 2: It was a question from Queensland Coalition MP he'll be
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Speaker 2: on the show in the moment. The former soldier Phil Thompson.
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Speaker 5: I seek leave to table the recommendation from the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 5: Veterans deserve better than this alban easy labor lies.
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Speaker 6: These are lies that you are peddling.
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Speaker 4: It is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Well, well there you go, Phil and Q. Now the
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Speaker 2: outrage from the government.
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Speaker 4: It is ridiculous. We'll get the before we go any further.
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Speaker 4: We'll just get the leader to pause a moment and
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Speaker 4: we're going to get the Member Herbert to withdraw that last.
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Speaker 5: But not withdrawing, Speaker. All the people die because of
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Speaker 5: this legislation.
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Speaker 4: Is it is Destoyeder's going to ask the member for
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Speaker 4: Herbert to withdraw, to follow the forms of the House.
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Speaker 3: I'm not withdrawing.
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Speaker 2: He was firm, a former soldier standing up for other
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Speaker 2: soldiers of course veterans as well, and the risk of
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Speaker 2: death from mental health concerns and other things. He held
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Speaker 2: his line, and then this intervention from the speaker.
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Speaker 4: We need to be consistent as all speakers have done
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Speaker 4: regarding that word. And there's countless examples that I can
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Speaker 4: talk about individuals or people, but we're not going down
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Speaker 4: that path with me as speaker. We're simply not going
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Speaker 4: to travel that path. So I'll give the Member for
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Speaker 4: Herbert one more chance to assist the House and withdrawal.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I found those comments there from the
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Speaker 2: Speaker Milton Dick to be extraordinary. We're not going down
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Speaker 2: this path, he says, not from me as speaker.
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Speaker 3: Well look at this.
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Speaker 2: Here is Anthony Albanezi as Prime Minister just two years
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Speaker 2: ago in the House of Representatives.
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Speaker 7: The Leader of the Opposition went on too TV last
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Speaker 7: week order.
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Speaker 3: And just asserted this to be a fact. It is
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Speaker 3: a lie. It was a lie from the leader of
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Speaker 3: the opposition.
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Speaker 6: Lie, lie, lie.
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Speaker 2: And my inference the leader of the oppositions is the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is a liar. And have a look at
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Speaker 2: who was in the chair the last time that word
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Speaker 2: lie was thrown around. Well, none other than the current Speaker,
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Speaker 2: Milton Dick. So the word liees okay if it comes
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Speaker 2: at the mouth of a labor politician, but it's banned
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Speaker 2: if anyone else is it. And where's the consistency now,
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Speaker 2: where's the fair play? It's nonexistent And it just makes
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Speaker 2: this once respected Milton deaca peir is nothing more than
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Speaker 2: a patsy for the Prime Minister as he runs some
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Speaker 2: sort of protection racket to protect Almenes's glass jaw over
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Speaker 2: the lie he well and truly offered up some fifty times,
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Speaker 2: as he himself admits.
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Speaker 8: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 8: capital gains tasts? How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
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Speaker 2: So the lie out of his own mouth? So where
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Speaker 2: did it land with Phil Thompson? Then, given the fact
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Speaker 2: that Labour's got the numbers in the House, emotion passed
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Speaker 2: comfortably to suspend him from the Parliament for a twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour period. But punting Thompson for a day won't
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Speaker 2: make that lie tag go away. Indeed, if I was
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Speaker 2: running coalition tactics, I'd force a member out every single
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Speaker 2: day and underscore just how big this lie is and
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Speaker 2: the fact that the Prime Minister now won't even own.
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Speaker 3: Up to it. The one thing that has cut.
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Speaker 2: Through about this budget is the lie at the heart
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Speaker 2: of it. As a respected polster said to me today,
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Speaker 2: as far as voters are concerned, this federal budget is
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Speaker 2: one of the worst on record, A blatant tax grab
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Speaker 2: to fund out of control spending, with legislation about to
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Speaker 2: be rammed through as quickly as possible in the hope
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Speaker 2: that the government can make it all go away. But
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Speaker 2: that's Labour's big mistake, thinking that people will forget this.
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Speaker 3: Lie, and thinking that the class of people hurt here
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Speaker 3: is relatively small. It is not.
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Speaker 2: What they miscalculated was how far and why the hit
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Speaker 2: on aspiration has now ricocheted. And as I watched Labor
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Speaker 2: minister after minister stumble over the detail or the changes
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Speaker 2: that the bulk of them, honestly, they simply do not understand.
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Speaker 2: This much is clear in sheer intellectual terms, few and
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Speaker 2: Labor can explain this budget, and not one of them
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Speaker 2: can justify it. This is a monumental own goal from
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Speaker 2: charmers in Albanzi.
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Speaker 3: Their colleagues know it, and so too the.
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Speaker 2: Voters now look this nonsense out of where else Victoria? Today,
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Speaker 2: prison officers banned from displaying the Australian flag on their uniforms.
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Speaker 3: Not so a rainbow flag or an Aboriginal flag they're.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but not the Australian flag. Here's Liberal State MP
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Speaker 2: Richard Reid and taking up the issue in a parliamentary hearing.
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Speaker 7: Will you stand up and say no that under my
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Speaker 7: watch we are not banning the Australian flag.
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Speaker 9: Well, I'd like to understand from the corrections a commissioner
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Speaker 9: first on about what this policy actually is, the operational policy,
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Speaker 9: and give will allow her to.
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Speaker 3: Go and get a quick on it.
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Speaker 10: Can you take a flag off your uniform because we
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Speaker 10: don't support the flag?
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Speaker 2: That's excuse me, excuse me, I mean goodness, be another
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Speaker 2: bumbling minister who can't explain or justify yet more dumb
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Speaker 2: labor decisions. And those teals will surprise, surprise the party
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Speaker 2: that for years to hie they're a party, are about
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Speaker 2: to formally into negotiations to become a party. We can
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Speaker 2: be talking about the teals here, can't we.
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Speaker 11: I think there's some different options need to be on
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Speaker 11: the table, whether it's an evolution, whether it's a party,
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Speaker 11: whether it's just working together differently.
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Speaker 2: There has to be an alternative choice from the major
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Speaker 2: parties and one nation. It wasn't that long ago that
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Speaker 2: the big financial backer Climate zeal at Simon Holmes, the
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Speaker 2: court said he had zero interest in forming a Teal party.
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Speaker 12: I have zero interest in being involved in any party structure.
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Speaker 12: I can't see how it would actually benefit Climate two
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Speaker 12: hundred and certainly I'm not sure that any of the
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Speaker 12: independents would want anything to do with it.
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Speaker 2: Well, clearly not so anymore. And no surprises that alongside
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Speaker 2: the cashed up homes are court is mister Harveside mansioned himself,
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, yet again desperate for relevance, quite possibly on
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Speaker 2: a revenge folck against the party that dumped him after
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Speaker 2: you turn out to be one of the most hopeless
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Speaker 2: prime ministers in history. Well certainly hopeless, that is until
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Speaker 2: the arrival of Anthony Albaneasy.
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Speaker 8: There is absolutely an opportunity there. I mean, people feel
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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party has moved away from the center. That
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Speaker 8: is why the Teals were elected. And the more the
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Speaker 8: Liberal Party tries to chase and emulate and copy one nation,
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Speaker 8: the more it builds up the vote for one nation.
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Speaker 3: I mean the center, Malcolm Turble, the center. You've been
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Speaker 3: the left.
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Speaker 2: You took the Liberal Party to the left and you
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Speaker 2: lost fourteen seats as a result. But I like the
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Speaker 2: former Liberal leader. Not all the Teals want to be
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Speaker 2: added as a Teal. Some say they want to keep
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Speaker 2: their fig leaf as so called community independence.
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Speaker 4: Well, I stood for Parliament as an independent because I
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Speaker 4: thought the parties were the problem and the people that.
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Speaker 3: I joined with in in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 6: Were frustrated with the Liberal Party and it's failure to
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Speaker 6: represent our community on the things that we felt were important.
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Speaker 1: You know, I might quote from my good friend Bob Catter,
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Speaker 1: I mean, let a thousand blossoms bloom.
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Speaker 3: It's not something for me.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 2: We learned today too that some Liberal moderates have been
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Speaker 2: approached to defect. Thus far none are jumping ship, but
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Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see when all the paperwork's done. However,
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Speaker 2: if reports are true the Malcolm turn is the so
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Speaker 2: called brains behind the formalization of this teal party, then
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Speaker 2: I can only applaud his departure finally from the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party because trouble for the Liberal start of the day.
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Speaker 2: The Turn will turned up in the Parliament and we
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Speaker 2: can only hope that when he leaves the turnaround will
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Speaker 2: begin in earnest Now on that score, and please to
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Speaker 2: confirm that next week on the weekend, I mean Tony
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Speaker 2: Abbott will be elected unopposed as the new federal President
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Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party and his job is to spearhead,
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Speaker 2: he says, the organizational rebuild of the party of mensies.
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Speaker 2: He'll draw me later in the show plus will also
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Speaker 2: reveal a bit of an interaction he's had with the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and whether he's been successful in writing a
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Speaker 2: major wrong.
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Speaker 3: That vote.
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Speaker 2: The Federal Party conference, the councilor I think they call it,
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Speaker 2: is on the weekend here in Melbourne, but we'll get
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Speaker 2: to that Tony Abbott in a moment. Here's the headlines now,
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Speaker 2: a skin is political report at Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister is facing growing pressure to reconsider his
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Speaker 14: tax reform package. Eighteen billboards were switched on to greet
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Speaker 14: MP's arriving in Canberra for the parliamentary sitting week.
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Speaker 8: Where consulting, tech companies, startups as well as the groups
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Speaker 8: that it expect us to.
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Speaker 14: The government will start the legislative process on Thursday. A
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Speaker 14: second round of legislation will deal with the details, including
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Speaker 14: POTENTIALZGT carveouts.
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Speaker 4: These toxic taxes of labors don't need a carve out,
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Speaker 4: they need an axe.
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Speaker 14: The Coalition is vowing to fight it. Independent MPs are
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Speaker 14: divided over a plan to unite by forming a new
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Speaker 14: political party. It's an attempt to attract voters who've lost
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Speaker 14: faith in the major parties.
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Speaker 11: We're seeing evolve is a growth of one nation and
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Speaker 11: people frustrated with the major parties.
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Speaker 14: Not all tlmps agree it's the best way forward. The
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Speaker 14: Royal Commission today heard how quickly the Bondisca unfolded. Eleven
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Speaker 14: people were shot within the first thirty seconds of the attack,
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Speaker 14: ten of them fatally. It also heard the Jewish Community
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Speaker 14: Services Group had requested a continuous New South Wales police
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Speaker 14: presence for the Harneker event. Only mobile tasking was provided.
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Speaker 14: Also making news, National Anti Corruption Commissioner Paul Brereton has
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Speaker 14: resigned after months of scrutiny over alleged conflicts of interest.
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Speaker 2: All right, it is a busy day in camera has been.
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Speaker 2: It'll stay busy all week. The fight on about these
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Speaker 2: tax changes. The Prime Minister determined to ram them through
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Speaker 2: their house and send them off to the Senate. We'll
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Speaker 2: bring in our sky Neese political contributor here for his comments,
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Speaker 2: Chris Yehlman.
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Speaker 3: A lot of our cry.
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Speaker 2: Chris, I said, it hits almost every demographic. I think
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Speaker 2: labor underestimated the anger about these changes and how many
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Speaker 2: people might be impacted. We saw, of course, those billboards
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Speaker 2: it called an ambitious tax. These billboards were funded by
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Speaker 2: a young man a young morel gage broker Joseph Dowd.
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Speaker 3: He's angry at the government. He's not the only one.
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Speaker 2: I mean online we're flooded with young, ambitious Australians pretty
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Speaker 2: cranky with labor. I think clearly they're spooked.
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Speaker 7: Peter, it would appear to be the case. You're seeing
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Speaker 7: the backtracking begin already. It's just a question of how
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Speaker 7: far that might go. And that's because this capital gains
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Speaker 7: tax is levied on every single asset.
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Speaker 3: It was interesting to see.
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Speaker 7: Peter Costello and the paper today talking about what happened
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Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety eight as they headed towards the GST.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Well, the point about that was that then after that
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Speaker 7: election they had what was called the Ralph Review of Taxes.
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Speaker 7: They had three hundred public seminars before they got to
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Speaker 7: the position on the capital gains tax that we now
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Speaker 7: have and has now been replaced. So that was in
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Speaker 7: great consultation with the community and with business to deliver
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Speaker 7: a level taxation which was equivalent to other countries like Australia,
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Speaker 7: and if you go to somewhere like Singapore and New Zealand,
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Speaker 7: there is no capital gains tax. So yes, this is
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Speaker 7: extremely damaging to the Labor Party, and it will be
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Speaker 7: extremely interesting to see where it all lands.
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Speaker 2: I think it's particularly damaging to the Treasury, if I'm honest,
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Speaker 2: because this is clearly rushed through. I made the point
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Speaker 2: last week. It's got a sense to me that they
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Speaker 2: went for broke at the start of the year. They
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Speaker 2: couldn't believe their luck, that the Liberal Party was imploding,
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Speaker 2: that they were changing their leader yet again, that one
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Speaker 2: nation was on the march in successive polls, not just
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Speaker 2: a couple of protest blips, but are real shifting on
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Speaker 2: the center right. And I honestly think Chris they went
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Speaker 2: to the bottom drawer. They pulled out all their hard
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Speaker 2: left tax nasties and they rammed them through.
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Speaker 3: But it's not thought through.
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Speaker 2: And other than Andrew Charlton, who's about the sharpest tool
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Speaker 2: in the shed, at least on the labor side, they
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Speaker 2: haven't got anyone that can hit the media airwaves and
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Speaker 2: help explain half of this. That the problem is they
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Speaker 2: are called out on the detail and every single day
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Speaker 2: there's another sort of reach of groups that are impacted
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Speaker 2: or angry, and on the death taxes, it's not rich
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Speaker 2: people with these testamentary trusts. So I've got case after
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Speaker 2: case of mums and dads with a disabled child, for example,
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Speaker 2: or someone in the family who's a chronic gambler that
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Speaker 2: use these devices with very modest amounts in their estate.
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Speaker 2: And I think this is where Charmers, who wants to
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Speaker 2: be Prime Minister one day, has really shot himself in
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Speaker 2: the foot.
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Speaker 7: The policy is bad, but the politics is much worse.
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Speaker 3: And I think the Labor.
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Speaker 7: Party forgets the fact that although it has a thumping majority,
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Speaker 7: it was done done on a very low primary vote
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Speaker 7: and a rote in the low thirties. And we've seen
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Speaker 7: the loss of the primary vote on both sides of politics,
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Speaker 7: most catastrophically obviously for the Coalition, but it's there also
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Speaker 7: for the Labor Party. And what does that tell you?
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Speaker 7: There is a feeling out there of a pox on
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Speaker 7: both your houses. And this is where one nation comes from.
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Speaker 7: So if you're going to underscore the point that you
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Speaker 7: simply can't be trusted when you go into an election
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Speaker 7: saying you said fifty times something and you come out
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Speaker 7: the other side doing the exact opposite, the institutional damage
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Speaker 7: that that does, which opens up a party of protests
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Speaker 7: like one nation has an enormous opportunity.
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Speaker 2: Well, finally the Tills that have been a party will
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Speaker 2: officially become a party of Zali Stegel and Allegra Spender
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Speaker 2: have their way, and so we're told.
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Speaker 3: Certainly that's the reports.
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Speaker 2: Malcolm turnbulls up to his eyeballs and it as well.
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Speaker 2: Of course, he is still, as we go to air tonight,
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Speaker 2: a member of the New South Wales Liberal Party. I
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Speaker 2: think he is hoping someone might punt him so he
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Speaker 2: can be a martyr. I'd say, don't give him, don't
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Speaker 2: give him his wish, let.
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Speaker 3: Him resign in disgrace.
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Speaker 2: But finally, I guess if they are a party, Chris,
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Speaker 2: they'll get the scrutiny they deserve from the Electoral Commission.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I went through the Electoral Commissioner returns today and discovered
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Speaker 7: which something we all knew. But they are the most
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Speaker 7: cashed up Independence, the most cash up politicians in Parliament
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Speaker 7: when it comes to look at how much they spend
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Speaker 7: at election time. So of eleven of them that I counted,
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Speaker 7: there was twenty million dollars worth of funds that they
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Speaker 7: raised the last federal election. They represent the richest people
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Speaker 7: in Australia and I think we should actually have a
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Speaker 7: competition for those if they do start a party. What
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Speaker 7: should we call this party? Should we call it the
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Speaker 7: Cannopey Coalition? Should we call it the Balcony Party? Should
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Speaker 7: we call it the bunyap Aristocracy. I think that perhaps
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Speaker 7: among your viewers you should put this out and think
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Speaker 7: what would be the best name for a party like
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Speaker 7: this which represents the very very upper end of town.
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to play terribly well in
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Speaker 7: the outer suburbs of Sydney, Brisbane or Perth or any
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Speaker 7: other of the major capitive cities.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, It'll give a whole new name
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Speaker 2: to the Chardonnay socialist tag that was around a few
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Speaker 2: years ago.
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Speaker 3: There'll be something like that, you know. Yeah, I'll think
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Speaker 3: I'll come up show terribly terribly important. Absolutely, those ladies
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Speaker 3: will be all over it. I tell you what.
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Speaker 2: I did see someone do a bit of a meme
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Speaker 2: about the Karens, the Teal Karens. You know, do as
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Speaker 2: I say, not do as I do. I think that's
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Speaker 2: pretty rough and poor old Karen the Karen's out there.
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Speaker 3: Let's leave that one.
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Speaker 2: Redbridge pollings polling diabolical.
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Speaker 3: I have to say for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: If the polling is to be believed, just twelve seats
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Speaker 2: would remain for the Coalition. After the next election, one
20:34
Speaker 2: nation could win up to fifty three seats. It would
20:37
Speaker 2: make them absolutely very much the formal opposition.
20:43
Speaker 3: I'll play a.
20:43
Speaker 2: Comment from a Cos Samaris because there's a whole lot
20:46
Speaker 2: of Liberals who still don't get it.
20:48
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
20:51
Speaker 6: There's a huge amount of grievance in the Australian community
20:54
Speaker 6: and I think we have not done a good job
20:57
Speaker 6: in the last ten years on economic policy.
20:58
Speaker 15: That's my main take way.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I thought Andrew Bragg would be more pertinent. He's
21:04
Speaker 2: saying there that the big issue is economic policy. Now
21:08
Speaker 2: I have to say it's not economic policy, Chris, that
21:11
Speaker 2: supporters are running off to one nation to see. It's immigration,
21:15
Speaker 2: it's energy, it's the lack of ticket to support Australian
21:19
Speaker 2: values and people like Brag, like Turnbull, these moderates, they
21:23
Speaker 2: have been a big part of the problem.
21:27
Speaker 7: Well, the division of the Liberal Party certainly doesn't help,
21:29
Speaker 7: but I think it's just a complete lack of faith
21:32
Speaker 7: that we're seeing expressed by those people in one nation.
21:35
Speaker 7: And you'll get a good say that. It's true on
21:36
Speaker 7: the left hand side of politics too, with both major parties,
21:39
Speaker 7: they are sick of business as usual. And you could
21:43
Speaker 7: frame a really good campaign for one Nation which is essentially,
21:46
Speaker 7: we're not going to camera to fix it. We're going
21:48
Speaker 7: to camera to burn it down. I keep thinking of
21:50
Speaker 7: Peter Finch and that movie network. We're mad as hell
21:53
Speaker 7: and we're not going to take it anymore. That's what
21:56
Speaker 7: One Nation is harnessing at the moment, and that is
21:58
Speaker 7: a very powerful thing. And you know what, Anthony Alberanezi
22:02
Speaker 7: with this budget and Jim Chalmers have just helped to
22:04
Speaker 7: underline that on both sides of politics. And look, I'll
22:07
Speaker 7: give you one poll of my own. I was at
22:08
Speaker 7: the Australian Energy Producers Conference last week. I interviewed Angus
22:13
Speaker 7: Taylor in the morning and Pauline Hanson in the afternoon.
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Speaker 7: On the last day of that conference. I would say
22:17
Speaker 7: that the audience, and so this is energy producers, oil producers,
22:20
Speaker 7: gas producers, say the hall held about five hundred people.
22:25
Speaker 7: I would suggest that Angus Taylor drew a little over half,
22:28
Speaker 7: maybe two thirds of that hall at the last session
22:32
Speaker 7: on the last day. And you know what, that's like
22:34
Speaker 7: at any conference Pauline Hanson spoke, it was a packed
22:37
Speaker 7: house and they listened attentively. So right across the board
22:41
Speaker 7: in Australia, Pauline Hanson has the interest of all levels
22:46
Speaker 7: of people for different reasons. Now can she hang on
22:49
Speaker 7: to that? Can she last two years without the party
22:52
Speaker 7: falling apart? Well, that will be the question.
22:56
Speaker 3: We will watch with interest. Chris, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Let's return to those dramatic scenes in question Time today.
23:03
Speaker 2: Phil Thompson, the Queensland LMP member who became the first
23:07
Speaker 2: MP and nearly five years, as I said, to be
23:09
Speaker 2: named by the Speaker. Now, what naming by the Speaker
23:13
Speaker 2: amounts to is then a formal suspension from the House
23:17
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen and the.
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Speaker 4: Matter has resolved in the affirmative. The member shall remove
23:22
Speaker 4: himself from the services of the House for twenty four hours.
23:30
Speaker 2: And it was all because he refused to withdraw a
23:32
Speaker 2: comment he made call him the Alman easy Government, not
23:35
Speaker 2: a specific individual, mind you, but the government liars joining
23:40
Speaker 2: me Now, Phil Thompson, Phil, I had to get you
23:43
Speaker 2: on the show. I think it's extraordinary courage to hold.
23:48
Speaker 3: Your line like that.
23:49
Speaker 2: I know that the sort of the party discipline is
23:52
Speaker 2: that you withdraw, but you were not for turning today.
23:56
Speaker 3: Tell us why you were so angry.
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Speaker 5: Well, Peter, this bit of legislation that caps veterans Allied
24:06
Speaker 5: Health at five thousand dollars, I think is going to
24:11
Speaker 5: create so much issue within the veteran community. So if
24:16
Speaker 5: you look at myself, for example, just me, not anyone else.
24:21
Speaker 5: I have postmatic stress disorder, so I can see a psychologist.
24:26
Speaker 5: Let's say I see a psychologists because things have gone
24:28
Speaker 5: bad once a week because I need I need help.
24:32
Speaker 5: And then my shoulders saw because I'm an infantry soldier
24:35
Speaker 5: and I've been back marching. My back saw lumbus bondylosis.
24:38
Speaker 5: My knees saw, and I've got ankle issues. This five
24:41
Speaker 5: thousand dollars is going to be all but done in
24:45
Speaker 5: month two or three. Now, what happens Then I'm supposed
24:49
Speaker 5: to somehow find out who to call in DVA and
24:52
Speaker 5: asked for extension or ask for more support. Well, what
24:57
Speaker 5: happens If I'm not in the mind frame to do that,
24:59
Speaker 5: I'll self medicate. I'll go through these real tough times.
25:02
Speaker 5: This is real life. This is what I've been through
25:05
Speaker 5: before and to stand there today and tell the Prime
25:08
Speaker 5: Minister that they're hiding behind the Royal Commission and they
25:11
Speaker 5: are lying. I know what happens next because they go
25:16
Speaker 5: to bed at night and I will take phone calls,
25:18
Speaker 5: and other veterans around the country will take phone calls
25:21
Speaker 5: of those that aren't doing too well, and worst case scenario,
25:24
Speaker 5: we're carrying coffins. I cannot stand by and allow this
25:29
Speaker 5: to happen. I didn't ask for permission, I didn't go
25:32
Speaker 5: talk to anyone about what I was going to do.
25:34
Speaker 5: I just it's the right thing to do that this
25:37
Speaker 5: government is creating such a toll and an issue that's
25:43
Speaker 5: going to come crashing down on me my people because
25:48
Speaker 5: it used to be uncapped. Now it's got a cap,
25:50
Speaker 5: and it's going to be the money's going to run
25:52
Speaker 5: out and people aren't going to do well. I really,
25:55
Speaker 5: I feel strongly about it.
25:58
Speaker 2: You're right to feel strongly about it. And what I
26:00
Speaker 2: don't understand. It's not like it's a cash payment made
26:03
Speaker 2: to veterans that they could then sort of, you know,
26:06
Speaker 2: blow on many other things. This is money through the
26:09
Speaker 2: health system, so presumably you know a doctor is there
26:13
Speaker 2: at the other end signing off the Medicare payment, you're
26:16
Speaker 2: seeing a psychologist, you're seeing Allied Health. It's all within
26:19
Speaker 2: the scope of services that have their own sort of
26:23
Speaker 2: checks and balances. You know, it's not a blank check. Now,
26:26
Speaker 2: if we can't trust medical professioners and people who have
26:30
Speaker 2: fought for our country to use the system as they needed,
26:35
Speaker 2: as they should have that as they have been able
26:37
Speaker 2: to do, then when we see politicians standing out the
26:41
Speaker 2: front of Royal commissions holding up reports with their crocodile tears,
26:45
Speaker 2: Australian taxpayers should be angry that they're there for the
26:48
Speaker 2: pr but they're not there for the coffins.
26:53
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and my mate who's missing his leg, another friend
26:57
Speaker 5: of mine who's been shot, or the people need lifelong,
27:02
Speaker 5: ongoing Allied health support. Now, when that runs out, what
27:08
Speaker 5: happens next. Are they just supposed to blink twice and
27:12
Speaker 5: it gets topped up or do they go on a
27:13
Speaker 5: waiting list? Does it take six months? Does it take
27:16
Speaker 5: top This nation owes a great debt to its veterans,
27:21
Speaker 5: those that serve, and this government and every other government
27:26
Speaker 5: and every government going forward should be looking at our
27:29
Speaker 5: veterans and look them in the eye. And their founders
27:32
Speaker 5: and say.
27:33
Speaker 7: We stand with you.
27:35
Speaker 5: There is no cap whatever you need will provide that
27:38
Speaker 5: support because the Parliament and the Prime Minister they send
27:42
Speaker 5: them to war. They don't carry the coffin. Though they
27:46
Speaker 5: don't carry the coffin. And now I am terrified we're
27:50
Speaker 5: going to do that.
27:52
Speaker 2: I will make the point to feel the veterans Minister,
27:55
Speaker 2: and I looked at this dug it up last week
27:58
Speaker 2: January February March. This year alone, he's spent in the
28:02
Speaker 2: order of three hundred and sixty thousand dollars on travel
28:06
Speaker 2: and hotel rooms getting around Australia, and yet he is
28:10
Speaker 2: begrudging five thousand dollars for health, mental and physical health,
28:16
Speaker 2: the health needs of our veterans. Your community knows that.
28:20
Speaker 2: I know the veterans community is very well connected. That's
28:23
Speaker 2: gone off like wildfire. They'll be very angry here.
28:27
Speaker 3: Phil and they are.
28:31
Speaker 5: The veteran community is furious. I am nervous, like I'm
28:36
Speaker 5: literally nervous about what's going to happen next, because I
28:40
Speaker 5: don't want to see young veterans who are in the
28:42
Speaker 5: darkest hole they've ever been in self medicate because they've
28:46
Speaker 5: hit this five thousand dollars cap and you've got all
28:49
Speaker 5: these other ministers in flying around in business class and
28:55
Speaker 5: living the high life and going a bit early, waking
28:58
Speaker 5: up late, having the great time of their life. The
29:01
Speaker 5: veterans go through some of the most challenging, tough things
29:05
Speaker 5: in their lives, and I don't want them to be
29:08
Speaker 5: crawling out of this dark hole, not knowing where to
29:10
Speaker 5: go and then self medicate, because I've been there, and
29:14
Speaker 5: those that have been there that didn't have the networks
29:17
Speaker 5: and the people and the supports and the funding to
29:20
Speaker 5: pull them out.
29:21
Speaker 3: We carried them.
29:22
Speaker 5: We carry them in coffins, and we buried them. And
29:25
Speaker 5: I'm terrified this is going to happen now. Matt Keo
29:28
Speaker 5: and the Prime Minister can give crocodile statements today and
29:31
Speaker 5: throw the hands in the air and call me all
29:33
Speaker 5: these names. I will stand for the veterans and I'll
29:36
Speaker 5: stand for my people because they bloody well won't.
29:41
Speaker 2: Good on you, Peel You've got I think certainly my audience,
29:45
Speaker 2: but I think most Australians behind you. Keep it up,
29:48
Speaker 2: keep it up, all right. I will make a point
29:51
Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister keeps calling him a former veteran
29:53
Speaker 2: You're never a former veteran. You might be a former soldier,
29:57
Speaker 2: but once you leave the military, you are a veteran,
30:00
Speaker 2: and you are a veteran until the day you die.
30:02
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister gets this wrong all the time. Right
30:05
Speaker 2: after the break a prime minister who doesn't get this
30:07
Speaker 2: stuff wrong. Tony Abbot joins me soon to become the
30:10
Speaker 2: Federal Liberal Party president on the weekend.
30:21
Speaker 3: Welcome back the.
30:21
Speaker 2: Fight to protect women's spaces, girls' spaces. Well, it really
30:25
Speaker 2: went up a notch today in Canberra with the introduction
30:28
Speaker 2: of a private member's bill. The Coalition are supporting it
30:32
Speaker 2: this time. That's coming up. We'll speak to the mp involved.
30:35
Speaker 2: But now to the continued fallout from the worst federal
30:38
Speaker 2: budget in recent history and comments today from former Liberal
30:42
Speaker 2: Treasurer Peter Costello, who's warned the Albanezer government is imposing
30:46
Speaker 2: some of the highest taxes on investment in the developed world.
30:50
Speaker 2: Here to discuss this and a whole lot more, former
30:53
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Well Peter Costello that peace today
30:56
Speaker 2: in this train financial review he focused on a range
31:00
Speaker 2: of things, but I guess that economic damage and that
31:03
Speaker 2: breach of trust. Now he argues that modern labor has
31:08
Speaker 2: in terms of not just the economy in the budget,
31:11
Speaker 2: but that covenant and has with Australians that if you
31:13
Speaker 2: work hard in this country, you used to be able
31:16
Speaker 2: to get ahead.
31:17
Speaker 3: Peter.
31:18
Speaker 6: This government just doesn't get it when it comes to economics, because,
31:22
Speaker 6: let's face it, none of them have ever had a
31:24
Speaker 6: real job. And on the question of trust, they had
31:29
Speaker 6: no excuse for this broken promise. There was no change
31:32
Speaker 6: of circumstance, there was no factors beyond their control. It
31:38
Speaker 6: was simply a lie. And I tell you this. They
31:43
Speaker 6: are going to go into the next election telling us
31:45
Speaker 6: that there will be no death duties. They're going to
31:47
Speaker 6: go to the next election saying that there will be
31:49
Speaker 6: no taxes on the family home. No one can ever
31:53
Speaker 6: believe them.
31:54
Speaker 2: Again, you're putting back on the political armor, if I
31:58
Speaker 2: can call it that. I was going to say, you're
32:01
Speaker 2: running to be the federal president, but nomination is closed
32:04
Speaker 2: on Friday. You will be elected unopposed this weekend at
32:07
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party Federal Council in Melbourne.
32:12
Speaker 3: I got to ask you, why would you do it?
32:15
Speaker 6: Well, no one should do these jobs for the money,
32:18
Speaker 6: because there is none, or it's volunteer power because there's
32:22
Speaker 6: not much. Essentially, you only do these jobs because you
32:25
Speaker 6: want to help the party and ultimately to help the country.
32:29
Speaker 6: And I want to help Angus Taylor to become the
32:32
Speaker 6: thirty second Prime Minister because by God, we need a
32:35
Speaker 6: change of government in this country.
32:37
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll get to the flight fight you're
32:39
Speaker 2: having on one flank with one nation. But I want
32:43
Speaker 2: to play some comments from Malcolm Turble today about the Teals.
32:47
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
32:48
Speaker 8: There is absolutely an opportunity there. I mean, people feel
32:54
Speaker 8: the Liberal Party has moved away from the center. That
32:59
Speaker 8: is why the Teals were elected. And the more the
33:03
Speaker 8: Liberal Party tries to chase and emulate and copy one nation,
33:09
Speaker 8: the more it builds up the vote for one nation.
33:14
Speaker 3: What would you say to that, Well, let's look at
33:16
Speaker 3: the record.
33:17
Speaker 6: When I was the leader of the Liberal Party, we
33:20
Speaker 6: won twenty five seats from Labor. When Malcolm was the
33:24
Speaker 6: leader of the Liberal Party, we lost fourteen seats to Labor. Now,
33:30
Speaker 6: the reason why the Liberal Party has been in trouble
33:34
Speaker 6: is because we have lacked courage and conviction. I think
33:38
Speaker 6: we are regaining courage and conviction under Angus Taylor. I
33:42
Speaker 6: think it was there for all to see in the
33:44
Speaker 6: budget reply. And as for the Teals, well, they are
33:48
Speaker 6: a political party. They should make honest people of themselves
33:52
Speaker 6: and admit it. And what they really are is the
33:54
Speaker 6: big money party, the big money party because there was
33:58
Speaker 6: some twelve million dollar dollars of climate two hundred money
34:02
Speaker 6: that went into them in twenty twenty two when they
34:04
Speaker 6: had their big success.
34:07
Speaker 3: Okay, some other issues.
34:08
Speaker 2: There's a story today in The Australian that very quietly
34:13
Speaker 2: the former Labor Attorney General Mark Dreyfus change the legal
34:17
Speaker 2: criteria around what amounts to a war crime. And this
34:22
Speaker 2: will obviously apply to the two cases of Australian soldiers,
34:27
Speaker 2: one of course we know is Ben Robert Smith that
34:30
Speaker 2: is now the subject of legal action. I'm certainly uncomfortable.
34:34
Speaker 2: I think lots of Australians will be uncomfortable with this revelation.
34:39
Speaker 6: As a general principle, you can only be judged in
34:43
Speaker 6: accordance with the law as it existed at the time.
34:47
Speaker 6: And if that's not the case, it's a question of
34:50
Speaker 6: retrospective legislation. And I think there's a fundamental problem with
34:55
Speaker 6: retrospective legislation. I also make the general point Peter I
35:00
Speaker 6: think that when it comes to our soldiers, we should
35:04
Speaker 6: always be giving them the benefit of the doubt.
35:09
Speaker 2: Well, just on that Cameron Baird, the late warrior Cameron Baird,
35:13
Speaker 2: who was posthumously awarded a VC during your time as PM.
35:16
Speaker 2: I've spoken to his dad twice. Last week he had
35:20
Speaker 2: a modest payment initiated by you, about five thousand.
35:23
Speaker 3: Dollars a year.
35:25
Speaker 2: To support veterans to travel the country to go to
35:29
Speaker 2: RSL's to talk to schools.
35:30
Speaker 3: That was canceled by Labor.
35:33
Speaker 2: I know you've spoken to Doug Baird, but I also
35:37
Speaker 2: know you've raised it with the Prime Minister.
35:40
Speaker 6: Look, the government's action looks like it is saving money
35:45
Speaker 6: at the expense of a dead hero, and that is
35:49
Speaker 6: just wrong. Now, I have been in touch with the
35:51
Speaker 6: Prime Minister. I know he is looking at this again,
35:56
Speaker 6: and good on him for doing that. But frankly, the
35:58
Speaker 6: only fair thing is to completely restore the allowance that
36:03
Speaker 6: the Beds had to honor their son and to educate
36:09
Speaker 6: the public in the ideals of duty and service.
36:12
Speaker 2: Are you hoping that Alberanesi will do what his minister
36:16
Speaker 2: won't do thus far and fully restore this payment.
36:20
Speaker 6: I suspect that the Prime Minister has had a word
36:22
Speaker 6: to his minister and the minister is trying to row
36:25
Speaker 6: this back. But the only acceptable outcome is the total
36:29
Speaker 6: restoration of the bed's ability to honor their son advance
36:37
Speaker 6: the ideals for which he died. I mean, you shouldn't
36:41
Speaker 6: save money because the hero was dead and had he lived,
36:46
Speaker 6: he would have an allowance to travel with.
36:49
Speaker 3: Much more than this, too much more than this, tony it.
36:53
Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you.
36:54
Speaker 3: Good luck for the election. We know you're going to
36:56
Speaker 3: win on the weekend.
36:57
Speaker 6: Thank you.
36:57
Speaker 2: Then the work starts quick break up of the right
37:01
Speaker 2: that the decision to put man and woman those words
37:05
Speaker 2: back into the Sex Discrimination Act, Well, that's now a
37:07
Speaker 2: decision for the Federal Parliament. Where will Labor stand on this.
37:11
Speaker 2: We'll talk to the National Party's MP, the National Party
37:14
Speaker 2: MP who wants to now fix the crime of Julia
37:17
Speaker 2: Gillard who.
37:18
Speaker 3: Ripped these words out. Welcome back.
37:25
Speaker 6: Now.
37:25
Speaker 2: Last week, you know we brought the news that a
37:27
Speaker 2: private Himbers Bill was said to be tabled in the
37:29
Speaker 2: House of Representatives, which would be a huge step of
37:32
Speaker 2: the right direction in the battle to protect women's spaces.
37:36
Speaker 2: That was before the devastating decision for women in the
37:41
Speaker 2: Giggle and Tickle case.
37:43
Speaker 3: Well, today that.
37:44
Speaker 2: National Party MP Ellison Penfold made good on her promise
37:47
Speaker 2: and she was backed by her boss Matt Canavan and
37:50
Speaker 2: flanked by Cel Grover as they put the legislation into
37:55
Speaker 2: the Parliament.
37:57
Speaker 1: We don't want to take rights away from anyone, but
37:59
Speaker 1: it is now that the changes that were made to
38:02
Speaker 1: the Sex Discrimination Actor almost fifteen years ago now have
38:06
Speaker 1: taken right away from people like sal from the women
38:10
Speaker 1: of Australia, and that needs to be fixed.
38:13
Speaker 16: Woman, let myself have been yelling into the ABYSS for
38:17
Speaker 16: years in this country seeing that our rights have been
38:20
Speaker 16: completely destroyed, and for far too long we were told
38:23
Speaker 16: that it was just a culture war. We were called transfers,
38:27
Speaker 16: we were called bigots, we were called turfs, right wing,
38:29
Speaker 16: anything to try and silence us and get us to
38:32
Speaker 16: go away.
38:34
Speaker 2: The Federal Member for Line Allison Penfold joins me, Now, well,
38:38
Speaker 2: I made the point there, Ali that you were moving
38:40
Speaker 2: on this before the decision. Obviously the decision has hasten things.
38:45
Speaker 2: People want this legislation in the parliament. Given we know
38:49
Speaker 2: the numbers are with the government, what sort of hope
38:52
Speaker 2: do we have that sensible labor people know that they
38:57
Speaker 2: also need to do the right thing and protect the
39:00
Speaker 2: types of women and girls that they might come with
39:02
Speaker 2: you at least to debate this legislation, perhaps even have
39:06
Speaker 2: an inquiry to hear from ordinary Australian. So you and
39:09
Speaker 2: I know are pretty fight up about this issue.
39:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Peter.
39:14
Speaker 13: Look, the Prime Minister set himself in twenty twenty two
39:18
Speaker 13: that a woman is an adult female. Well, Prime Minister,
39:22
Speaker 13: that is not what the law says today. So if
39:25
Speaker 13: the Prime Minister stands by the comments that he made
39:29
Speaker 13: in twenty twenty two, and we know that he doesn't
39:31
Speaker 13: always stand by the comments he makes in an election,
39:34
Speaker 13: but if he does, then he needs to address the
39:36
Speaker 13: conflict that exists in the amendments made to the Sex
39:40
Speaker 13: Discrimination Act. Amendments he voted for. There's a clear conflict
39:45
Speaker 13: in the Act that when sex and gender come into
39:48
Speaker 13: play there is no balancing test.
39:51
Speaker 3: And because of other.
39:52
Speaker 13: Language in the Act, the Court, the Federal Court has
39:56
Speaker 13: found that sex is changeable, that exists on a spectrum,
40:00
Speaker 13: and hence we have the outcome that Sour Grover got.
40:02
Speaker 13: So I hope that you know, with the Prime Minister
40:06
Speaker 13: himself believing that a woman is an adult female that
40:10
Speaker 13: he himself will come into the Parliament and either support
40:14
Speaker 13: this bill and bring his caucus with him, or indeed
40:18
Speaker 13: support what I proposed as an alternative, and to help
40:22
Speaker 13: the Parliament establish a joint Select Committee into sex base
40:26
Speaker 13: rights and give Australians the choice and the opportunity to
40:30
Speaker 13: put their point across and reconcile the failings that the
40:34
Speaker 13: current Act and the impact that the current Act is
40:37
Speaker 13: having on ordinary Australians.
40:40
Speaker 2: Because we all know that sex equals biology. But there
40:45
Speaker 2: has been that decision ten days ago in the Federal
40:48
Speaker 2: Court where the judges I believe wrongly conflated sex with
40:53
Speaker 2: gender identity and they are absolutely at two very different things. Now,
40:58
Speaker 2: the legislations I can't say, really to be honest, that
41:02
Speaker 2: I think the legislation is a little bit silent on this.
41:05
Speaker 2: I think the courts on a frolic, But I think
41:07
Speaker 2: to resolve the issue that we're getting in these legal judgments,
41:11
Speaker 2: I think the Parliament has to be clear. You and
41:14
Speaker 2: I know we're all Australians stand we also know there's
41:17
Speaker 2: a lot of women on the left and I've spoken
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Speaker 2: to a number of lesbian groups that are themselves in
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Speaker 2: the court. A lot of women on the left are
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Speaker 2: angry about this is not about taking away rights from
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Speaker 2: anyone else. It's just that in advancing trans rights, women
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Speaker 2: and girls have been the big losers.
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Speaker 13: Well, Peter, the current law basically says that a woman
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Speaker 13: can no longer say no to a man that invades
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Speaker 13: their space. That's pretty harsh. That's the reality. And as
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Speaker 13: I said in my speech today, effectively the law now says,
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Speaker 13: and the government, I mean, it's been pretty silent on
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Speaker 13: this issue, but effectively at the moment what Australian women
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Speaker 13: are hearing is suck it up, princess, we don't care.
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Speaker 13: And that's why my bill does matter. Because my bill
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Speaker 13: reinserts man and woman into the Sex Discrimination Act. It
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Speaker 13: provides those protections for women's only spaces, services and activities.
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Speaker 13: But it also, unlike other bills, does not seek to
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Speaker 13: remove gender identity in total.
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Speaker 8: It.
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Speaker 13: Certainly I don't support blanket discrimination, but we do need
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Speaker 13: positive discrimination to protect women in those areas of life
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Speaker 13: where physical capabilities matter.
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Speaker 2: Allie, I've just got to go to the break bit quickly.
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Speaker 2: Is there any where people can go that are watching
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Speaker 2: the show tonight? Can they email you is there a petition?
42:39
Speaker 2: How can they show their support.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, the Australian Christian Lobby have launched a campaign
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Speaker 13: and a petition binary have as well. You can go
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Speaker 13: to my website. There's a lot of action happening at
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Speaker 13: the moment. But I would just say right to the
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister, right to your local labor MP. Tell them
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Speaker 13: you want to see this bill brought on for debate
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Speaker 13: and you want change in the law.
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Speaker 3: And they shouldn't be scared of debate.
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Speaker 2: If they think that they are doing the right thing
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Speaker 2: now by junking the rights of women, let them get
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Speaker 2: into the chamber rally and defend it.
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Speaker 3: That'll be the test. Absolutely, I leave it there. Thank
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Speaker 3: you for coming, Thank you for coming on the ship.
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Speaker 3: Bring it on. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: She's pretty fiery. She's to work with the Cattleman's Association.
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Speaker 2: I reckon between her and the Prime Minister. I know
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Speaker 2: which horside back all right, quick break? The decision by
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Speaker 2: prison officers or their bosses actually to ban them from
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Speaker 2: displaying the Australian flag on the uniform.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to that after the break. Welcome back. Look
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Speaker 3: suddenly extraordinary has.
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Speaker 2: Happened at Senate estimates now in relation to charges regarding
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Speaker 2: the Islamic State women and ben Robert Smith. I'm just
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Speaker 2: trying to get you some footage. I'll come back to
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Speaker 2: that in a moment, but let's go to that extraordinary
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Speaker 2: stuff too. Down in Victoria, with prison staff banned from
43:59
Speaker 2: displaying the Australian flag.
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Speaker 3: They wore a patch on their uniform.
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Speaker 2: They could wear the indigenous flag though that's fine, and
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Speaker 2: they could certainly wear the Rainbow flag, but not it
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Speaker 2: would seem now the Australian flag. Here to discuss this
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Speaker 2: in more liberal MP the cole Flint in One Nation
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Speaker 2: Chief of Staff James Ashby with James, come on, this
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Speaker 2: is madness.
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Speaker 16: An upsent.
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Speaker 10: But what do you expect from Victoria. We've seen the
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Speaker 10: Victorian government dismiss a state mayor for simply saying he
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Speaker 10: doesn't want to fly the trans and LGBTIQ plus flag
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Speaker 10: over the council chambers. He was suspended for six months.
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Speaker 10: That's just gone through court, a decision due any week.
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Speaker 10: So what do you think when this comes out? It's
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Speaker 10: the same old Labor Party. The wokeness has gone to
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Speaker 10: their heads, so that was the power They've got to
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Speaker 10: go at this next state election and hopefully in six
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Speaker 10: months one nation will help get rid of them.
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Speaker 3: All right, I have got that footage. Let's go there now, Nicole.
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Speaker 2: This is in exchange between the Shadow Attorney General, Mikaalia
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Speaker 2: Cash and officials from the Attorney General's Department, and she
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Speaker 2: asked them, how long did it take the Attorney General
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Speaker 2: to sign off on the decision to prosecute Islamic State
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Speaker 2: women compared to the sign off in relation to Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith.
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Speaker 15: Have a listen, just in terms of the consent to prosecute?
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Speaker 15: How long did it take the Attorney General to sign
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Speaker 15: off on the isis bride's consent to prosecute?
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Speaker 10: The CDPP wrote to the department seeking the attorney's consent
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Speaker 10: on the twentieth of November twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 15: Twentieth of November twenty twenty five, and the consent was
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Speaker 15: provided on the fifteenth of December, So approximately just over
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Speaker 15: three weeks compared to the one day with Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so three weeks for the women who went to
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Speaker 2: join his lab.
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Speaker 3: State, Nicole, and one day for.
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Speaker 2: The blowker put his life on the line to defeat
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Speaker 2: Islamic State.
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Speaker 11: This is absolutely disgusting and shocking, and once again is
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Speaker 11: a very clear indication of how wrong Labour's priorities are
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Speaker 11: at every layer of government, state and federal.
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Speaker 3: Australians are already.
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Speaker 11: Completely outraged by what Ben Robert Smith has been put
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Speaker 11: through and is being put through. Three hundred million dollars
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Speaker 11: of taxpayers money plus dedicated to pursuing one of our
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Speaker 11: most decorated war heroes who put his life on the
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Speaker 11: line for our nation, and yet we now have how
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Speaker 11: many tens of ISIS brides back in Australia with their children,
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Speaker 11: putting everyday normal azzies at risk. Some of them, yes,
46:53
Speaker 11: are being prosecuted, but it looks like Labour thought pretty
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Speaker 11: long and hard about doing so. This is just disgusting
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Speaker 11: pay that it's shocking, and it is the symptomatic of
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Speaker 11: how morally bankrupt labor governments are.
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Speaker 2: James, I'll caution that these matters are obviously both the
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Speaker 2: ISIS women and Ben Robert Smith are subject.
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Speaker 3: To legal action.
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Speaker 2: But I noticed when I was in farah unprompted Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith came up as an issue. I spoke to
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Speaker 2: polsters in the last week or so. They are saying
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Speaker 2: that unprompted his case and the return of these women
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Speaker 2: are coming up in polling conversations.
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Speaker 3: What's your experience.
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Speaker 10: Well, I just tend to find most Australians know somebody
47:41
Speaker 10: who is currently serving or has served in defense. That's
47:45
Speaker 10: why we've seen record numbers at Anzac Day events and
47:48
Speaker 10: Rememberance Days and just any event that defense want to
47:52
Speaker 10: put on. But the problem is we've got governments that
47:55
Speaker 10: don't want to stand by, as you did with Phil
47:57
Speaker 10: Thompson this morning, earlier this hour, We've got governments that
48:01
Speaker 10: don't want to stand by our current serving or those
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Speaker 10: who have formerly served. And that's what's angering this country.
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Speaker 10: Who else is going to step forward as the younger
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Speaker 10: generations come up, they don't really want to fight for
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Speaker 10: this country. We're seeing the numbers of those recruitments just drop.
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Speaker 10: And now we're bringing in people from other countries to
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Speaker 10: defend Australia. Any reason why, or you can see it.
48:25
Speaker 10: It's written all over this Labor government. They are abandoning
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Speaker 10: our defense force and one nation won't.
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Speaker 4: Be coole.
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Speaker 3: Just a quick one.
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Speaker 2: You've been at Parliamentary and you've sat there in the chamber.
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Speaker 2: It's a bit rich, isn't it for the Speaker to
48:38
Speaker 2: have allowed alb and Easy to use the term liar
48:41
Speaker 2: when it suited him against Peter Dutton, but now that
48:44
Speaker 2: he is having it thrown back at him after he admits,
48:48
Speaker 2: he admits himself he lied about these tax changes. It's
48:52
Speaker 2: a bit rich to start throwing people out of the parliament.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Peter look rank, double standards and Christy as always
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Speaker 11: from Labor. It's the one word that you just don't
49:03
Speaker 11: use in the chamber. However, Anthony Albernezi did lie. This
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Speaker 11: is a fact. He lied repeatedly about not making CGT
49:12
Speaker 11: and all the other changes they're making in the budget.
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Speaker 11: So I think they should be allowed to apply the
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Speaker 11: term to him and is in this instance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the more they throw people out of the Parliament,
49:21
Speaker 2: the more they amplify it. I mean, I would be
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Speaker 2: getting a backbencher up almost every day to call him
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Speaker 2: a liar turfy mount and make the newses every night
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Speaker 2: because it's making a point.
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Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Thank
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Speaker 3: you both. That's it for me. Will parliament tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a pretty hectic city week there
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Speaker 2: in Canberra. I'll see you tomorrow night, Here's Andrew