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Mayday Brewery: Ozzy Nelson & the History of Craft Beer in Murfreesboro, TN | Episode 112 · The Brewery Underground Podcast | Craft Beer Interviews, Reviews and Beer Travel

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Well, you know guys, often what happens is that.
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The. Brewery underground podcast and
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the foamy heads come together as a collab.
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Hello everybody. We become the foamy underground
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podcast and we've done this many times.
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Steve and Scott, Mitch and Rich, we love you.
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We're. All very.
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Comfortable. Yeah, very.
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Familiar. Very familiar.
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We've done this a few times and we're at Middle Ground Brewing
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in Murfreesboro, TN and guys, we are in the presence of crap
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royalty. This guy next to me, As you can
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see, this is Ozzy. Ozzy Nelson.
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Ozzy has been. Around for a long time in terms
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of. Beer Community.
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Ozzy. Relatively speaking, yes.
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Ozzy for. Murfreesboro.
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Yeah, COSI was known for a number of years owning Mayday
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Brewery, one of the stalwarts not only in just the national
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area, but in Middle Tennessee. And we are so glad to have you
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on this podcast. Thanks for jumping, I appreciate
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it very much. 1000 for having me, absolutely.
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We all have our. Really nice, nice peep at the
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beginning. We are there.
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You. Go It's probably the beer as
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well. People get nicer the more they.
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Drink. Yeah.
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Yeah, almost. Exactly.
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We all have our, I mean, we all have our, our moments with, with
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Mayday and and Ozzy a synonymous with that.
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And I, I, we all appreciate, I, I can speak for everybody here
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at this table when I say that we all appreciate that we're
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getting, we're getting real Aussie today because real Aussie
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is, is synonymous with Mayday. I mean, every time I've walked
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into Mayday, Ozzy was always the same person as he is outside of.
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And on our 100th episode collab show a few months ago.
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Yes. Episode 100.
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Doing that, one of the cool things was they were talking
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about the legacy and the legend of Ozzy and paving the way for
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them. And so, you know, Ozzy, we have,
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we had to bring you on, man. We have to be like, we got to
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find out more about this guy, who he is, what he's done.
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He's drawing tonight. He's got a lot going on here.
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Drawing for sure it's This is going to suck.
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That's that's one of the things is, is present and future Ozzy
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is some of the topics on discussion tonight as well,
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because Ozzy is I wanna get into a little bit about that and kind
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of kind of talk about the first introduced cuz most of the
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people listening, my microphones moving everywhere.
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The Yeah, you're listening. Your stand got bent, so we got
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to loosen it, push it back on so it's secure.
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They're making me work. Scott's holding up his
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microphone. Get it?
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Be careful, Scott. We keep talking rich, but it
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might poke it. So Ozzy, give us, I guess before
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we jump into like, you know, present day and future
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everything, give us a little bit about yourself.
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Tell us most of the people that listen to the shows already know
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who you are. But sometimes people outside of
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Murfreesboro or Nashville, if they're in like northern part of
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United States or out West may not.
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So kind of give us a little bit of background about who Ozzy is
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as an individual. OK, I I was born in Daytona
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Beach, FL. My mother moved me to Middle
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Eastern, Middle Tennessee, Cumberland Plateau when I was 12
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years old. That's kind of a culture shock.
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Daytona Beach to Livingston Alpine area.
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Yeah. Graduated from Smyrna High
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school 1983. I've worked for corporate
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America most of my life. Started working at HCA in 1986.
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It's giant hospital company I've.
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Never heard of them still. There started in 86 and I still
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worked there through the brewery.
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I'd never quit my job. I kept my job through the
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brewery, just worked all the time.
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I, I like people and I like to. That's why I started the
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brewery. I started the brewery to to have
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a legacy, to have something to be remembered by and I wanted to
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be the coolest guy in town. That was my goal, to be the
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coolest guy. Accomplished.
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Yeah. 100% I worked really hard on that and then sometimes I
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failed for sure. And that's what beer will do to
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you every now and then. But yeah, we had the brewery for
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12 years. Both my daughters work for me.
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Ashley did the books and Kelsey did the brewing at at Mayday for
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for 10 years. And we closed down in 2024.
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Our landlord wanted our space more than they wanted our money.
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So had a had a a lease until 2037.
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So they gave me money to leave and I sold all my equipment and
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quit. You locked in a lease until
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2037. It was yes, it was pure.
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It was, it was my I had three-year options up until
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2037. I had a 10 year lease and then I
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had three-year options for 15 more years.
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Wow. And that that if I wanted to
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keep stay there, there's nothing that they could kick me out.
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There was no way they could kick me out.
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They had to give me money to get.
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Bought you out. Yeah.
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So you, if you said no, you still could be there if you
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wanted to be correct, right. OK.
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All right. Yeah, they wouldn't have made it
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pleasant, right? I can't imagine.
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Whoa. Oh, sorry.
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You can hang on. They I just wanted to position
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it. There you go.
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They yeah, they could definitely make it make it difficult for
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me. So that was not a thing that I
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wanted to do. If your landlord doesn't want
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you there, you really don't want to be there.
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But it cost them some money. I mean, they got lots of money.
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They there. That's a drop, Sir.
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Well, real quick, we want to raise our glasses to Ozzy.
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Yeah, absolutely. What is it?
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We're all. We're glad you're here in.
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Middle ground. We've got middle ground.
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We've got the Liv Laugh logger, Hellas Logger, All right, a
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middle ground brewing. We were talking about this.
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We actually had Brandon Bingman on earlier today.
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And we were. Talking so we were running the
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gamut for for beers down the chain, and the Liv Laugh Logger
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was one of them. And we brought up the fact that
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hell, all those loggers are very unique style of beer in a sense
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that they're they can be the hey, I drink, you know, big beer
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companies give me something that tastes like that, but maybe has
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a little bit more flavor. All those loggers fit that
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category very well. They're typically, you know, on
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the 5 to 6% side of things, but they also tailor to craft beer
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nerds as well because people like everybody sitting at the
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table make their way all the way up to the high ABV stuff.
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The, you know, the very hoppy beers, the the high Ibus.
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And then eventually they get enough of that and then they
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kind of go right back down to what they would consider to be
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the sweet spot For me. That's a Hellas Logger.
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Yeah. So Hellas Logger serves multiple
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purposes. It it, it serves multiple styles
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of beer drinkers. And so it's honestly not that
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surprising to see us all land on that tonight because we've all
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got very diverse tastes in beer. But if you look at the colors of
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our beers on this table right now, that's exactly what you're.
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Talking about, yeah, that's. Exactly what you're talking
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about. They're all different.
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Makes good beer for sure. Great beer.
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Yeah. We had a we had a hellus at the
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brewery once, a seasonal. We called it Heaven and Hellus.
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That was good stuff. It's a good name.
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Ozzy, were you, let me ask, quit and this is this is my ignorant
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speaking, but were you involved in a lot of the brewing process
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itself or were you kind of more operational?
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Great. So I mean, you're a character in
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and of itself, like you were the face of Mayday.
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But in terms of brewing, where did where did your
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responsibility start and end? I didn't brew per SE.
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I would have. I would have input on the
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recipes and what we were going to brew, but Kelsey brewed all
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the beer. The day-to-day was hers.
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I would do some small batches occasionally because we had a
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lot of small batches. We had at least one or two small
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batches, sometimes three small batches every week.
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So new beers all the time. We were.
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We had brewed 1000 beers, 1000 different beers by the end of
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Mayday. You mentioned Kelsey.
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That's your daughter, right? Kelsey is my daughter.
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Yeah. And she's now she's now brewing
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at another Nashville institute. She is she's she's brewing at at
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Living Waters. They have two locations.
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Is she at the? Side and one of the West side.
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OK, Which one is she at? The one she's on the location I
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just opened up, right. Living Water, that's.
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Where the that's where the production brewing is done.
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All of my understanding. OK, well, that other place on
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the east side, it's really cramped brewery space.
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They got that other space and wanted to stretch their legs a
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little bit. Suited them for the time being,
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but yeah, they've definitely grown a lot more.
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And and go ahead, Scott, were you?
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Going to say, where did the idea of starting a brewery come from
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where you were a home Brewer? I was a home Brewer, but I
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didn't want to be, you know, at for me, there's a lot of things
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are about what how you're going to be remembered.
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I don't know why, but I think about how you're going to be
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remembered a lot. And I don't want to be
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remembered for a person that worked in internal audit for
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corporate America. It's not.
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I mean, if you want to be remembered for that, that's
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cool. It's just not for me.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And so I have always wanted to do something more, something
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different, something, something that, you know, is going to is
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going to let outlive me maybe. Or at least their memories will
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outlive me. Glad the place didn't outlive.
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Me. Oh yeah.
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Nobody would have liked. That but but the cool thing is
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in the sense that we get is that you really in in the
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Murfreesboro started a trend for the brewery scene there crap
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brewery scene. Yeah, I mean, I I always tried
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to make it fun. Well, having something, get
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something fresh, get a party, have something dress up.
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We had lots of dress up parties. People love dress up parties and
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the and the last when we were closing, one of our last parties
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was all holiday parties. So whatever holiday you wanted
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to dress up as, dress up like that.
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And. What we're going to do is put
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all of the the decorations that we have out so it's decorated
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like everything. And if you like a decoration,
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take it home with you, please. I don't fucking want it in my.
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Way to get rid of inventory, right?
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Yeah. I want all that stuff going,
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Yeah, yeah. For people were nice enough to
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take. Heck yeah, you had some hot.
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Was it hot chicken and George? Hot chicken and George, that's
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what it. Was.
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Yeah, talk about that a little bit.
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And George was August holiday. We would have live music and it
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was a big, big redneck party. We'd crown king and queen of the
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trailer park every year and that was a coveted, coveted trophy.
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We'd have small batches. We had axe throwing.
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We've had during the that's a good thing.
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Beer drinking and axe throwing that goes together go.
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Very well together. And so we had that.
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We did a lot of different things, but yeah, Chicken and
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George was my favorite holiday for sure.
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It was a good time. And it was what day every year,
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it was it. Was in August like the second or
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third week in August I. Remember making my?
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When it's good and hot, you know you got it's got to be you got
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to be cut them sleeves off, show some mid drift.
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Yeah, for. Sure, no shortage of that mayday
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during that festival. You know, it's, it's very
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interesting. You were talking before we
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started recording, you know, Scott and I've been doing the
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podcast now we're almost going out third year.
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You guys have been doing it. A little over. 5:00 So we
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started right before the countdowns.
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What a lot of people don't realize is that in the craft
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beer industry, there's a lot of people when you own the brewery
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Ozzy that you don't have the job as you just mentioned.
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I mean, it's not just you're not just working at a brewery,
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you're also doing another job. I mean, talk about that because
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that had to been a lot of hours and.
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Actually, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of work for
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sure, because I wanted everything to be clean all the
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time. There's certain ways to to that.
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I want to things to look. So you know it was to get off
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from your job, go to the brewery holidays.
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I'm at the brewery. I'm painting or doing something
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that that if we're closed like Christmas or Thanksgiving, I'm
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there patching floors or painting walls or whatever that
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you have to do when people aren't there.
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I loved the people and having the brewery and the great times.
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But the the work is very work is very like work.
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I mean, getting there every Saturday and mopping the floor
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for yoga is no fun. And clean the bathrooms
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everyday. No fun.
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But hey, you know, it's what you signed up for, man.
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That's what you're going to do and you love the people, so you
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got to make it clean. You spend money nights there.
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You don't want pieces of pallet on the back of somebody's yoga
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mat. Right.
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And there's pallets freaking every.
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They don't like the pallets everywhere, so you've got to
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sweep out a mat floor. Yeah.
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Gosh. It's it's a little sliver in
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your butt, you. Don't want that woodchip.
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Woodchip IPA? No, no.
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The last thing I wanted was somebody to you see this piece
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of wood in my in my. Driver.
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It's in my your name. Pallet driver.
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I can I so it was, it was a lot of work.
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And so now I'm, I'm, I'm feeling whenever I think things aren't
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going well. Hey, did you have to, did you
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have to mop 3000 square feet of floor today?
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I don't know if it's 3000, but it was a lot of square feet.
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That's. No, I did.
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So hey, I'm winning. Life is good, Life is good.
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You, you, you save money. You mentioned earlier you were
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like, hey, I could be if I had the brewery, I'd be probably be
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there right now doing this other thing right now to you, you're
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sitting at a brewery talking amongst some friends and you're
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not doing. That you're on the other side of
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the brewery. You're.
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Feeling good about it, yeah. And he's drawing something.
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In front of. Him, I don't know if I regret
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sitting in front of him or not because it just it kind of
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happened. There's going to be a big
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revealing. We were, we were here earlier.
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Good. Well, I saw the glasses
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immediately. I was like.
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Mitch's. My.
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Glasses. So maybe it's Mitch, but then he
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keeps looking up at me. Oh, you're a direct?
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You're going back to our conversation from earlier where
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it was like, I'm sitting across from him.
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So it's like. Heck yeah.
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When he opened his notebook and he hadn't started right, but he
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kept he's looking at your face like he was getting oh.
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Yeah, I'm always. Looking somebody's face.
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You know, I know it's you, rich, because you got eyebrows.
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Yeah, you can't see them behind the glasses and it's a lot.
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Different. My glasses have to be my
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eyebrows, they are very faint. I've never heard anybody say
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that before. Eyebrows.
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Yeah. I see where there's some nights
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you literally just slept at the birth, especially in the
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beginning. It got I I came to my senses at
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some point said dude, man, we might want to chill out if you
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want to make any money, you idiot.
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Yeah, I said. As opposed to drinking up all
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the profits. Yes, drinking.
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And you make mistakes. You, you screw shit up.
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You don't do that. Don't do that.
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Don't do that. Only human.
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Only human. That's quality control though,
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right? A lot of it's quality control.
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It would be for me too. I'd have a problem.
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I can't. Imagine Ozzy is is is beer like
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a is it a sin margin game? Like is there a lot of money to
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be made in running a brewery or did you find yourself God, I
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don't want to use, I don't want to use the term because it's
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it's such a bad day. You don't want to use the term
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cut corners. But like, are there were there
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ways you were trying to find to make sure that you were
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profitable? Or does breweries lend
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themselves to kind of more of a higher profit margin game where
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it gives you the affordability to make it?
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Honestly is the first time asking the question because a
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lot of a lot of times when when we're talking craft beers, like
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we're drinking the beers in front of them and if we're kind
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of more interested in the science and stuff.
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Like that? But like, you know, don't talk
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to somebody that's got the history.
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Oh, yeah, I can't. I'm what?
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The margin when you sell, when you distribute, when you go
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through a distributor, the margin is very thin.
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I have asked that question before because you have to give
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away points. Yeah, you the, the, the
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distributor has to pay the taxes and the, and the distributor has
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to make money and so does the retailer.
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So everybody's, it's like a farmer, you know, the farmers
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don't make anything for what they grow.
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They have to grow a lot. And So what, what my strategy
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was is the tasting room. You, you build the tasting room
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and that's where your margin is and you get people to come in
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the tasting room. That's why we had the small
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batches. That's why we had the events.
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That's why we did something. It's all about the margins in
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the tasting room. You bring people in there, you
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make it clean, you make it a great environment.
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You make the, the bartenders are, are personable and happy
18:02
and loving and, and they take care of you.
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And so my, my thought was, OK, you drink the beer here, you're
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going to go out and drink it too.
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And you're going to ask for it because you're going to love
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this concept. And I think that that, you know,
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that worked well. But selling beer, if you're if
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you're just distribution only or you're very Lim limited with
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your tasting room, there's a lot of money that you're not making
18:26
because the you got to have the tasting room is the margin right
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there. That was my opinion.
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I mean, other others do it different ways.
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I guess that's my thought, yeah. I guess it makes sense.
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I mean, some of the, some of the best breweries I've ever been to
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are those ones where you can only get certain beers at the
18:43
brewery And, and Living Waters is a great example of that.
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Like they do some distribution, but you're not going to find,
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you're not going to find that really high ABV bourbon barrel
18:55
aged stout, right? Out in the wild somewhere adding
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adding that personability to your bar too, man yeah, being
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able to come back to friendly folk it's.
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Yeah, you want a cool place to be where people know who you
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are. And that's a big deal for me
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that the whole time I was at the brewery and what I preached to
19:15
my people or what the example that I wanted to set was, I
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know, I know your name, Mitch. Yep.
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Yeah, I and I want to. And I wanted my people to
19:25
remember people's names because people care about that.
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Because people would come in, they come in one time and I'd
19:31
meet them, I get their name, and then they hey, man, what's my
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name? I met you 3 weeks ago, man.
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It's not fair, but it's cool still that you expect me to know
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it. But yeah, yeah, I'm not that
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cool. I'm not that cool, but I'm
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trying. But because I try, I at least
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show you that that I'm doing something.
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So that's, that's why we did the tours.
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That's what that was the whole thing about getting people to
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the brewery. You get people in, you get them
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to like the beer and then they then they go out and they drink
20:00
it in other places. Tours were great at Mayday, by
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the way, I mean just being able to back I'm going to I'm showing
20:08
my age here, but 10 bucks got you a beer glass and you know,
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some pores. And then you got a chance to
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tour and an experience cuz he Ozzy walks you around and tells
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you about, you know, this is where this is brewing.
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The rest recipes were right on the tanks, you know, and it's
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just like, I'm not trying to hide anything.
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This is how you brew beer. Go out and brew yourself if you
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want to. Take the recipe.
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Yeah, go open your own brewery. See how that works out for you.
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Back of your head, you're like. You drunk SOB.
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We should start a brewery. Yeah, we could do this too.
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You got a big pile of money. That's what I say.
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That's right. I want to start a brewery.
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Well, how big is a pile of money?
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Yeah, because you need one now. Not as big a pile because you
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could buy all the equipment. Our our equipment went for not
20:58
much money, right? But the, the the landlord gave
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me money. It's true.
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I was like, I thought to myself, OK, what's the worst thing that
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can happen? I'm a stoic.
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So I'm thinking, OK, think about what's the worst thing that can
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happen. The worst thing that can happen
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is we don't sell any of this shit.
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We have to scrap it all. Are you going to be, are you
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going to be OK if that happens? You got to say that in your own
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mind, right? Right.
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Yeah, you do. You just got to be OK with it.
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We only had to scrap a few things.
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So we got, we got, we did OK. Yeah.
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It's just, you know, it's not, it's a, it's a, it's a buyer's
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market for brewing equipment. If you have a a a brew house
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that needs a boiler, you're not going to sell it.
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No. Yeah, because everybody's
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starting smaller now because that's the that's the trend.
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I mean I just read an article the other day said 54% of
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Americans thinks alcohol is bad for you or something like that.
21:54
So it's. Immediately alphabet half of the
21:57
population you're doesn't refers to going to a brewery.
22:00
Yeah. So it's it's going up and up.
22:02
And so alcohol sales are hurting right now for sure.
22:06
You can look at the I got out at the right time.
22:09
Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird time for
22:11
craft. Beer it is, and it'll come back,
22:13
but it's not going to be next year.
22:15
It'll be. It'll be.
22:16
It takes time and it's a cycle. Everything's.
22:19
Right, always comes full circle. It's.
22:21
Going. It'll come back, but it's not.
22:22
Curious because we, we, we know that you're very well known in
22:29
the beer beer community with other Brewers who really had
22:33
helped guide you and you got your a lot of advice from in the
22:36
beginning, whether it was from the Nashville.
22:39
It's a good question. Whoever, especially when you're
22:41
the OG in that area. Yeah, Murfreesboro didn't have
22:44
anything. There were some guys you reached
22:47
out to that said hey. It's not a rare.
22:51
There was one I can't remember and we have a different
22:54
situation in Rutherford County, at least we did it mayday
22:57
because we had the volume was wastewater.
23:01
In Nashville, they don't have to think about wastewater.
23:02
I thought about wastewater every freaking day.
23:04
Whoa, OK waste. I had a device outside my
23:10
brewery that was plugged into my electricity that I rented from
23:14
the wastewater department that took a sample of my wastewater
23:17
every 15 minutes to and then they would normalize the sample
23:23
and tell me how much biological oxygen demand I had above the
23:28
above what I was supposed to. And usually it was suspended
23:32
solids and biological oxygen demand.
23:34
So they charge extra for that. And so I would have my phone
23:38
bill. I mean my phone bill, not my
23:40
phone bill. My, my, my sewer bill was a lot
23:45
sometimes because I had to control those bods.
23:48
I have to, that's, that's organic material going down the
23:52
drain. So I had, I, we had systems to
23:55
reduce the amount of bods and I, I have to talk to somebody out
23:59
of state to, to advise me on that.
24:03
And I, I did the best we could. I mean, we got better at it.
24:08
I think that's just one, one more thing that you have to
24:10
think about when you're, when you're doing something like
24:12
that. Was that something that once you
24:13
got started that came to be as in maybe something you were
24:17
unaware of? No, I, well, I was aware of it
24:20
when I talked to the city for the first time.
24:23
And then I had, I had talked to enough people to know that could
24:26
have been an issue. And we had, we, we did, we
24:31
mitigated it as best we could over the years.
24:35
It was a different strategy and we did, we tried lots of
24:38
different things, but don't want to bore you with with
24:40
wastewater, but that's something else that you have to think
24:43
about is wastewater. And there's not and there's not
24:46
a lot of when, when you're 1 of The Pioneers in the area, like I
24:50
guess when you said you struggling to come up with
24:52
somebody that you might have if you did have somebody to lean
24:55
on, you don't remember their name, there may not have been
24:58
anybody in. There like you got the money on
25:02
the line, you fit you what you stay up at night, you study, you
25:05
figure it out, you try ways to do things, different ways to do
25:07
things. You talk to a lot of people.
25:11
You had you, you know, you talk to everybody that comes in and
25:15
see what's see what they do for a living.
25:17
And if they can do something that you they do something that
25:21
you need, then you'd be friends. Yeah, that's a good move, right.
25:25
And you keep some of these. OK, maybe you can't help me
25:27
right now, but you might be some.
25:28
Yeah. You're an electrician.
25:29
You're you're somebody, a mechanical guy, you whatever
25:35
back. Of the head for later.
25:36
For sure, for sure. And then you depend on those
25:39
people. Interesting.
25:41
That's what I did. And that's.
25:43
And that saves you all kinds of money and heartache.
25:45
Yeah, sure, because you can't know everything.
25:48
There's no way to know everything.
25:49
There's so many different things to know.
25:51
Yeah. Exactly.
25:53
In those regards, people willing to help you when you kind of
25:56
reach back out 100% yeah. If you're nice to people and and
25:59
you're, you know, you give them a beer from time to time,
26:02
They're they're totally, yeah, they're going to be nice to you
26:05
back. They want to, they want to give
26:07
back your expertise. They want to keep you going.
26:09
They, they realize, dude, you're here all the fucking time, man.
26:13
Yeah, well, yeah, because it, they're a part of that at this
26:15
point too, right. If they've helped you, Oh yeah,
26:17
yeah, for sure. They're on the team 100%.
26:20
Yeah, yeah. That's, that's what they became.
26:23
They became part of the team. And kind of talking about, you
26:27
know, the whole always trying to keep going and keep learning
26:30
things. We were talking about this with
26:32
Ozzy before the mics turn on. And I, I wish kind of we had
26:35
that conversation or at least had the mics turned on, but you
26:38
know, kind of moving from from mayday Ozzy into like present
26:42
day Ozzy, right? You know, it's, he's, he's one
26:46
and he said it himself. He's not one of those guys that
26:48
likes to just sit still and do nothing.
26:51
So the mentality kind of follows him from being the person that
26:56
opened the brewery and having to figure it out and learn it
26:58
yourself to after the brewery and now no longer sitting still,
27:02
you're kind of doing the same thing in regards to instead of
27:06
it being a brewery, you're doing it in your current life right
27:09
now. So never sitting still, always
27:10
going out, learning something, and always kind of just staying
27:15
knowledgeable and not being that person that just sits home and
27:18
says I've done my stuff, I don't want to learn anymore, I'm just
27:21
going to sit and relax because that's detrimental to health for
27:23
one. But it's not interesting either.
27:26
No, it's not. I don't.
27:28
Yeah, I now I, I started drawing in in July of 2025 and I, I just
27:35
thought, you know, what can I do where I can go anywhere and I
27:40
can do it. And it's not any overhead.
27:44
And you may be able to make money and you make people happy
27:49
or you don't. Well, you're still meeting.
27:53
You're meeting people. Yeah.
27:54
It's another way to meet. Yeah.
27:55
It's another way to have a legacy.
27:57
It's another people know who you are or know it's that guy.
28:00
And yeah, it's a lot of fun. And you given to people.
28:03
It's given a part of you to them.
28:05
And they give you money. If hopefully, yeah.
28:09
And so, yeah, it's a lot of fun. I'm not getting any good at it
28:13
yet, but I'm working, I'm working, I work every day.
28:17
I'm looking at. I know who that is, just it's
28:19
not even finished it and I know who that is.
28:20
So I'm. Waiting for the mouth and the
28:24
facial hair to come out to see where it lies.
28:27
Little tricky. Beards and mouths, you know,
28:29
they kind of blend together you got to you got to yeah, bounce
28:32
too. Obviously, when you put your
28:34
first post out for Tell Me what on Instagram for your your
28:38
character thing, it was it was it.
28:40
Ozzy. It's Ozzy's face Odyssey.
28:43
That's it. You put your very. 1st post out
28:46
or when you first came out with it and one of these two guys
28:49
were like, we got to get Ozzy on that's how this thing started
28:52
right now. Oh wow, very first post from
28:54
that and we're like fuck yeah. Well, I was waiting to do my
28:57
first post until I was worth a damn, but I'm still not worth a
28:59
damn. So I I got in about four or five
29:03
months of drawing pretty much every day.
29:06
But drawing pic, looking at a picture, drawing the picture, or
29:10
drawing someone live that you know some unsuspecting soul?
29:16
Sitting right across from me, across the.
29:21
Are you learning as you learning techniques, other techniques to
29:24
drawing and things you're picking up or like like the
29:26
glasses or hats or I I copy other people and what I look at
29:31
other people's Instagram and and I actually went to a pair
29:35
caricature conference in in Los Angeles.
29:38
Caricature conferences. Yeah, there's a caricature
29:41
conference in LAISCA, the International Society of
29:44
Caricature Artists. Wow, They have a shout out to
29:50
those beautiful people. They had a conference in the in
29:55
in LA at the Marriott by the airport in November and I bought
30:01
my ticket in in September. I was going and I had no, I had
30:06
no idea what was going to happen.
30:08
I looked online. There's like three classes.
30:11
It's not like any any conference I've ever been to especially
30:14
starts on Sunday and ends on Friday night.
30:20
But there's a lot of drawing going on, that's for sure.
30:25
There's 170 people were there, a little over 170 from 14
30:28
different countries. And these people are beautiful,
30:30
awesome people and they helped me so much.
30:34
As far as you know, you can go to a conference and you're not
30:36
going to come out of that one skill level.
30:38
You're going to come out at about the same skill level.
30:41
However, you have a lot of tools and things you can work on to
30:44
get a lot better if you'll apply those.
30:47
And I met all these people and I go to all these people's
30:50
Instagram and I'm, and I screenshot, Oh, I got a
30:53
screenshot that's so good. And so I copy what they're
30:57
doing, copy their the whole picture and say, OK, I love the
31:00
way she did those eyes or that chin or, you know, the way they
31:04
use color and just try to get better by copying people and
31:08
then doing your own thing. Copy people doing your own
31:11
thing, copy all kinds of different people.
31:13
And that's how to be better. Keep practicing, keep working
31:17
and keep copying other people and say, dude, this is what I
31:22
got. Tell me it sucks, you know?
31:26
Or where I can improve, right? And where I can improve?
31:29
How can I be better? Tomorrow morning?
31:30
I'm actually meeting a guy at Henry Horton.
31:35
He did caricatures at the brewery.
31:38
He's about my age. He's been caricature drawing
31:40
since Opryland. Wow.
31:42
Yeah, he was drawing caricatures at Opryland when he graduated
31:46
from high school. So this guy is no joke.
31:48
He's good. And I'm going to go see him and
31:52
we're going to talk caricatures and how I can get better and.
31:55
And yeah, things like that. So, you know, developing a style
31:59
what you know, tell me the steps and so I can try and get there
32:03
quicker because I want people to like me.
32:06
Man. You're OK right now, You're OK.
32:10
When a guy like that is doing it and then you're learning from
32:13
him what's what's the eventual end goal as far as who you want
32:19
to be reaching out to you, You know, like who does this guy
32:22
have reaching out to him? We're saying we really want you
32:25
as a part of our business or you know, our caricatures or
32:30
whatever. A guy like that that's been
32:31
doing it for so long, who who become his clients.
32:35
Oh yeah, he does private parties and he does.
32:38
You know, I had him at the brewery two or three times.
32:40
Hot chicken and darts. We get a caricature artist while
32:43
you got your hot chicken darts outfit on.
32:46
That's a good caricature. Yeah, Father's Day we did.
32:49
We had him. So, you know, he does all kinds
32:52
of Christmas parties, things like that.
32:54
So lots of. Private.
32:55
Yeah. No, that's cool.
32:56
I think if I could just if I if I sat on a small town St. with
33:02
that with that was drawing. It's so easel out there would
33:07
would sit down. Yeah.
33:09
And want their picture drawn. I've done it at a cafe in
33:13
Galena, IL I'm just sitting it there outside drinking a cup of
33:16
coffee, practicing. This lady looks over my
33:19
shoulder. She sees Sean.
33:21
I'm drawing a face. Can you draw my face?
33:26
This sucks, but you can have it. Yeah.
33:30
You walk down the streets of like a New York City or Chicago,
33:32
right? And they're on every corner and
33:34
they're doing a great job and they're people are lined up.
33:37
You're just walking by. Really.
33:38
Oh, let's get our pic, honey. Let's get our picture done.
33:40
Since I work right by Centennial Park, I'm going to walk over to
33:44
Centennial Park in the spring and do some.
33:48
It's really cool. I'll have to check with the park
33:49
to get that. Get the permit or whatever you
33:52
need to do, but I don't want to get arrested.
33:55
You do it and they sit down for like 10 minutes, right?
33:57
You're knocking down, but they're on their way and they
33:59
got another one right behind. Them and I think what's great
34:01
about that is like eventually becomes word of mouth where you
34:04
have more clients where you're like, OK, who becomes your
34:06
client? So it's a friend of a friend,
34:09
you know, word of mouth that gets out there.
34:11
Yeah, like weddings. He does lots of different
34:14
events. And I just talked to a couple
34:15
that were getting married here at Middle Ground.
34:18
They're not getting married here, but I talked to him here
34:20
and they're gonna have a caricature artist at their
34:21
weddings. Nice reception.
34:23
So do you draw the groom? Like, really sad.
34:27
See, that would be fun. She's all happy and the groom's
34:30
like the groom's like. I haven't done that, but I'll
34:32
keep it in the back of my mind. If anything, find the right
34:35
material, right you find the right couple.
34:37
You're like, OK, this guy's going to get it.
34:39
It's not the guy, it's the girl that has that's got to get it.
34:44
I think, you know, I don't have a living will yet, but when I
34:47
write it up, I'm going to have like a caricature at my field
34:49
there you. Go.
34:52
That's a really good idea. As is, I like it, yeah.
35:02
But I like the. Mitch, is that your, is that how
35:04
you were feeling at the time? Yeah, that's exactly it.
35:06
He got it. That looks like him.
35:09
For those of you that don't know Mitch, this is what he looks
35:12
like. Is that the mood you're in?
35:15
Yeah, that's it. You keep that idea, Ozzy.
35:19
There is something different about caricature artists at
35:21
funerals, dude. It brings some levy.
35:23
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
35:25
Nobody mentioned that at the conference, but next year it's
35:29
going to be in Florida and I will I'll be there for just.
35:32
Perfect. Yeah, a lot of potential
35:36
business. Unlimited, yeah.
35:40
Well, and then and Ozzy, he brought up something.
35:43
He brought up something like when he was talking about like
35:45
just copying people, just copying people.
35:47
There's a million different ways to draw somebody.
35:50
So at the end of the day, Ozzy may figure out this is how I
35:54
like drawing someone's eyes. This is how I like drawing
35:57
somebody. You kind of make your own.
35:59
Oh yeah, your own, your day become your own person for.
36:02
Sure, because it's not copying one specific style of person.
36:05
You know, caricature drawing for everything you have your own.
36:08
Well, they had 170 people at the at the at this conference and
36:12
they had this thing called the lightness competition.
36:14
So they would show a person that no one in this in the room had
36:17
seen before a, a full face, three quarter face and then some
36:23
other face, I don't know. And everyone in the room had 10
36:26
minutes to draw that face. And then you had 170 drawings of
36:32
the same face. And it's so cool to look at all
36:36
the different variations on what the people thought of that one.
36:42
One that one dude was like 90 years old that they drew and guy
36:46
drew him as a skull. But I bet.
36:50
It was an ingenuity there, man. Yeah, that's what's coming at
36:53
your funeral. Man, bring it, I hope I could
36:57
see it. Some ways, sometimes you're
36:59
really good with Ozzy at Mitch's funeral.
37:02
What's your caricature artist sense of humor?
37:06
I I really hope Mitch is not the first person to pass.
37:10
But if? He.
37:11
Does. We have a gun.
37:13
You heard it here. Someone's got to be there, Maybe
37:15
170. We could do the conference right
37:19
there, bring them all in. Here's your thing, quarter faces
37:21
just. Go call me in.
37:24
It's like Friday to Aussie. What are you doing Tuesday?
37:26
Well, I was pretty short notice. Well, Mitch didn't give us much.
37:30
Yeah, we want to go crash. So few like trick in
37:33
Chattanooga. Fortunately, he dropped like an
37:35
album. It's really cool when you're
37:36
talking about like, you know, doing weddings and things.
37:39
If you were, if you were to say OK in five years, where would
37:42
you want to be with this like doing more weddings or what
37:45
would you like to? Do, man, when people ask you
37:47
that, I'm always the person that says where do what you want to
37:53
be in five years. If I knew where I wanted to be
37:55
in five years, then I'd probably miss out on something else.
37:58
Yeah. Yeah.
37:59
I'm, I, I, I like to take it as it comes.
38:02
So opportunities come as you as you work on things and you meet
38:06
new people and things that you never even think about come up.
38:09
If you have the right attitude and energy and it's coming to
38:12
you and it's flowing. You bring, you're putting it out
38:15
there, you're bringing it back. It's like breathing.
38:17
You know, you're given, you're you're not taking.
38:20
People are given to you. And so I don't, I, you know, I,
38:24
I have this thing about this, this small town, sitting in a
38:28
small town and just meeting the people and go to the Eagles Club
38:33
or the Elks or whatever and hanging out with the real people
38:36
there. And I don't know, that's just
38:39
kind of my thing. I like the I like the small town
38:43
venues and the people that live in small towns.
38:47
I. Think getting that human element
38:49
out of it. Yeah, for sure.
38:50
Yeah, you get the feedback, you get the yeah, you get blessed.
38:54
Yeah. Do you make sure you've got your
38:56
notebook everywhere you go? I try to, no matter what it is.
38:59
Sometimes I fail. I, I, I want to, because you
39:03
might want to be Jimi Hendrix with the guitar.
39:05
You know, I won't be Jimi Hendrix with the drawing, but
39:08
you know, I want to be like that.
39:09
But you might be somewhere, right?
39:10
And not having like, shit, I wish I had.
39:11
Oh yeah, I've done that many, many times.
39:13
So I try to take it wherever and if I don't pick it up, I don't
39:16
pick it up right? Better try to.
39:19
Have it not need it kind of thing, yeah, for sure kind of
39:21
thing. Could you do something like
39:22
that? Like even if you went to, say
39:23
the grocery store, right, you could bring that thing in
39:26
necessarily because your hands. Yeah, yeah, I have a smaller
39:30
version, but man, it's I'm, I'm learning today.
39:34
I, I drew on a smaller notebook, just messing around, drawing a
39:38
bunch of faces. And I said I've draw better on
39:42
the bigger scale. But some of these guys, you
39:44
know, they, they really can draw a small face really well.
39:48
So I have, you know, I've got to work into that.
39:50
You know, it's more things to practice, practice on a smaller,
39:54
on a smaller, whatever the. Medium.
39:58
Medium. There you go On a bigger medium.
40:01
This guy gave me a giant thing to draw and I'm like, dude, I'm
40:06
not comfortable in that. I need a bigger marker.
40:08
Are you using a same utensil every time?
40:11
Was it some kind of marker? Cool.
40:12
People just have one. The Crayola.
40:14
The big Crayola if the white one.
40:17
Yeah. Yeah.
40:18
Well, some of it has a little bit of a square tip, but I
40:21
haven't gotten there yet. I practiced with that some and
40:24
the pen is the just like. I have more pens than than I
40:28
should. Pens are relatively cheap
40:30
compared to compared to a tank. I think you know six of these
40:35
today. What?
40:36
A filter or all that's cheap. Sure, you can leave them in the
40:40
car by all the different your. Inventory looks a little
40:44
different these days. Yeah, I do that with a lot of
40:46
things, like tweezers, floss sticks.
40:49
I leave them everywhere, man, just in case I need a floss
40:52
stick, man, it better fucking be someone.
40:54
Yeah, I knew it was here. Used to be when I had the beard,
40:57
man. Had beard Combs all over the
41:00
place. Yeah, beard Combs, man.
41:02
If you need a beard comb. I I drew my other car.
41:05
I would if I'd have drove them the other car.
41:07
I have one of those. It's a wooden 1.
41:10
You know it's awesome combing that beard all the time for
41:14
sure. Want to comb my beard though.
41:17
Oh yeah, you do do. It and I do.
41:19
Oh yeah, you do. I mean, look at your.
41:22
Look, look, look, look at you. Look at you.
41:24
It needs combing. You mentioned Rich, you
41:30
mentioned earlier on the mouth. Just go for it.
41:33
I want to see it. I need, I need to see it.
41:36
What? What was you about to say,
41:37
Scott? I was going to say, you
41:38
mentioned going back to Mayday, walking around and doing the
41:42
tour. I remember Oz.
41:44
I don't remember walking so much.
41:45
I remember Ozzy leading the tour and putting the girl in the
41:48
chair and running across the freaking or just running across
41:54
the thing. Could have had so much wide
41:55
space in there. And I was like, this is awesome,
41:58
like how you had that energy at the end of the day after your
42:01
regular work day and then driving back to the brewery and
42:03
doing stuff and then Saturdays I.
42:04
Think running with the cell phone in hand.
42:06
Right. Yeah, he.
42:08
Gave the cell phone to somebody else.
42:10
That's. Right there, yeah.
42:12
He was. Running from station to station.
42:16
Yeah, well, I got to keep these drunk people's interest, man.
42:19
I learned that. That's why you learn the names
42:23
and you and you, you got, if they, if this just like the same
42:26
fucking brewery tour that you had last week at some other
42:29
place, then you ain't going to Remember Me at all.
42:31
And you ain't talking about their tour either.
42:33
Right now you're talking about mine.
42:35
Because I fucking got out there and I gave it everything I had
42:38
with every tour, no matter what. I had tours where I lost my
42:42
voice and I could not talk and I typed it up and I had one of the
42:45
people in in the tour to say what I was going to say and I
42:50
just ran around and did the motions.
42:52
So just just say these words. Just say it all.
42:56
Along with. And I will do I think it just
42:59
treated how good. See, how cool is that for your
43:01
legacy? Well, there's people out there
43:03
that, you know, 10 years ago you gave them a tour and they're
43:06
still talking about it going, man, I remember this.
43:09
We had the hot hot when. Guy named Ozzy and Mayday
43:13
Murphy. Well, there's people now that
43:15
that come up to me, as you know, when I got to the hot liquor
43:18
tank, I'd, I'd kind of rub on it like this with it in my back and
43:23
say hot water. And so people come up hot water,
43:29
yeah. That's a good point.
43:32
It's we're we're 15 years after the tour that I had.
43:36
And I'm talking about Mayday's tour with Ozzy.
43:39
I'm not talking about any other tour I went to.
43:42
Or, well, you wouldn't be talking about theirs with me
43:44
here, but you know, at the same time.
43:46
I I will say I have mentioned your tour on other episodes.
43:50
I have done it. So that is a false statement
43:53
actually. Good they stand out.
43:54
Good for. Me it's, that's the point is
43:56
it's to to what Ozzy just said. You will remember Ozzy's tour
44:02
more than you'll remember other tours.
44:03
We had us here today. That was cool because Brandon
44:07
took us around in the back and gave us kind of the personal
44:09
thing. But I don't go to brewery tours
44:11
anymore because they're kind of the same.
44:14
Yeah. You know how to make beer right
44:16
now? The beer, the tour's not about
44:18
making beer. The tourism is a fucking, it's,
44:20
it's dinner and a show, man. You get cheese balls and and
44:24
animal crackers and we're going to have fun.
44:28
We're not going to. We're not going to talk boring
44:30
shit, man. And that's what it was.
44:33
And I've been a bunch of distillery tours and those are
44:34
different because some of those places of 200 years old, are
44:36
they Burberries are just kind of, it's kind of the same stuff.
44:41
So I don't do them anymore to remember Ozzy's tour.
44:46
Exactly. So and I guess kind of winding
44:49
things down just because in the name of time, it's yeah, we're
44:52
going to have two, but. I have to take over the space
44:55
and start playing some music. One final question for me, Ozzy,
44:58
is where's the next place you plan on traveling to do
45:02
something like this? Do.
45:04
Caricatures. Oh.
45:05
To do caricatures. I'm well, I'm, I'm going with my
45:09
brother to Montana. We're going to go to Big Sky and
45:12
High Week. But I have, but I don't know how
45:15
much character I'll be drawing. Then for sure.
45:17
I'll drink my spring, my stuff. But there's different places in
45:20
Montana. Montana is cool.
45:21
If you hadn't been to Montana, go to Montana.
45:23
You never been to Montana? Yeah, I went this year.
45:28
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I went, I, I slept on the ground
45:31
more this year than I've ever slept on the ground.
45:33
I, I stayed at a glacier for three nights, three nights at
45:37
Glacier and I'd hike all during the day and had a great time at
45:41
Glacier and stayed in Bozeman for a couple of days with during
45:44
the Sweet Pea Festival. That's good.
45:46
Great music festival there in, in Bozeman.
45:49
And then over to Missoula. Had to check out the check it
45:55
out the other side a little bit. Missoula was cool, yes.
45:59
I had a great time in Montana, so I'm going to go back there.
46:02
I don't have anything really planned for the first part of
46:05
the year. I'm kind of seeing where my
46:06
job's going to be going. A lot of changes going on in the
46:09
corporate America job, so we'll see what happens.
46:12
But I think I like this. I don't want to do anything
46:15
more. Sometimes don't want to do the
46:16
beard. When you do, oh, there's a
46:18
beard. You don't see the beard there.
46:20
Do I need to do? I need to do.
46:22
I need to spell it out a little bit more for me.
46:25
There you go. There we go.
46:26
Yeah, I think that you get to a point where if you draw one more
46:31
line, it's not as good. And so I'm I try less is more
46:39
well. Young.
46:40
He doesn't have the age line. I don't know man, I feel like.
46:45
Twin twins and a five year old will do it to you.
46:48
Oh my gosh, man. I've got way more Gray hair
46:50
these days than. 2. Years ago.
46:53
Bastard, this bastard. Boom.
46:58
I am, I am happy he's putting the the hat on.
47:00
Like you're always going to have the character to put the hat on.
47:03
Arrogant bastard. If you if you had the hat turn
47:06
around, you would have to drop the devil thing on the back,
47:08
which is actually on the front, which is that'd be kind of a
47:11
cool thing to. I've always just kind of I.
47:13
Guess yeah, millennial thing, just the Habs.
47:15
Have always been backwards. Today, yeah.
47:17
This was fun, guys. Yeah.
47:19
One more thing, Ozzy. You you do some singo, don't
47:21
you? Around town?
47:22
I do music. Bingo.
47:23
Singo. Yeah.
47:24
At Cedar Glade every week at six, Tuesday at 6:30.
47:27
It's a lot of fun if you want to come over to that.
47:30
Yeah. My mother lives with me.
47:31
So that's, that's a whole nother story, man.
47:33
Have you drawn her? I've drawn my mother several
47:36
times. My mother's not really a, she
47:39
says. She also says.
47:44
She also says you're not, you're not going to give that to them,
47:48
are you? Oh.
47:51
Yeah, it's not the mom mentality a lot of those are used to.
47:54
Your mom I thought about. It really well, you should keep
47:56
going. I started playing guitar when I
48:00
was 48. So I play guitar and my mom will
48:03
somehow sometimes come out of her room and she'll say you're
48:07
not going to play that in front of anybody.
48:09
Are you really supportive 81 year old mom?
48:13
You know, you know, it's a real mom right there, you know?
48:15
It's funny. So my mom, my mom is 91,
48:18
assisted living there. A few years ago, she said to me,
48:21
well, you know, you could grow your hair out if you want to.
48:24
Oh. Yeah.
48:27
If you want. Thanks.
48:28
Mom. Maybe not.
48:30
And you know what I said that and the and the most love
48:32
because she was great. It was great.
48:33
It was like, well, you know, mothers always love you.
48:36
You're like, I don't know if I could.
48:37
But I can try. Anyway, there's the there's the
48:40
Mayday touch right there. Angry bastard.
48:43
Angry I've got how to spell here.
48:49
Guys. Go with the say this here is to
48:52
the legacy that brought us so all so many memories it would be
48:56
Mayday brewery I've. Got a few things we could we're.
48:59
Going to go get some more. It's a lot of y'all have been a
49:02
lot of fun man. It's been, it's been appreciate
49:04
one more thing out anytime there was one more thing and it was an
49:07
experience I had with you. Do you remember Bluebird in the
49:11
Burrow? Oh, for sure, yeah.
49:12
And you may have done it many times.
49:13
I mean, we did it 3 or 4 times, maybe 5/20/18.
49:16
I was there and it was Don Schlitz was the guy.
49:19
I think he was like Kenny Rogers guy or something.
49:21
He was saying all the Kenny Riders and you were the sole
49:23
vendor, beer vendor in the thing.
49:25
Oh, OK, OK, OK. So that wasn't at the brewery.
49:28
This was, this was at another venue.
49:30
Another venue. Got it.
49:31
But you were the vendor for the place.
49:32
You were the and it was you kind of solo when you had your kiosk
49:35
set up and stuff. I talked his head off the whole
49:38
fucking time because I was like, hey, this is OK.
49:41
Like I know, I know Mayday and I stood next to you the whole
49:44
time. Enjoyed it.
49:46
We had a good time. I'm, you know, I left you alone
49:48
when people were coming up to get beer.
49:50
But I always remember that because I got to hang out with
49:52
Ozzy for that's fucking cool, man, in a place and I like the
49:55
the thing, but I was like, OK, that's there's someone for me.
49:58
I had already I'd already done it a bunch of times, so I
50:01
probably appreciated the conversation for sure.
50:04
It was it was it was a good time.
50:05
I always remember that and always will.
50:07
Cheers, guys. Well, Oh awesome.
50:09
I appreciate y'all. We've got a couple of shares for
50:12
you if you're in share if you want to stick around, yeah.
50:14
I'll stick around for a minute, do that, and then please come
50:17
back on with this time. We could go another hour easily.
50:20
Lots of lots of topics. There's a band setting up behind
50:23
us that will probably just overplay us at some point.
50:25
So yeah, yeah, we should exit soon.
50:27
We're. Right next to them.
50:28
So we have to make the hard exit.
50:30
We usually don't. Comes out.
50:33
On the underground and. Before we leave Oz and we can
50:35
get a picture together. Because we always forget that.
50:37
Absolutely. All right, Cheers, guys.
50:38
Cheers. Cheers, everybody.
50:40
Cheers.