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BONUS: Time and Change - The Most Impactful Transfers In Ohio State History · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Time and Change Will Surely Show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tony Gerderman here with Juck Mileti when we take
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  Speaker 1: one Ohio State topic and discuss the past, present, and
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  Speaker 1: future of that topic. And Juck, today, right before the
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  Speaker 1: season gets going, I want to talk about transfers and
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  Speaker 1: the impact that transfers have had over the years, the
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  Speaker 1: most recent years being the bigger impact. But Um, when I,
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  Speaker 1: when we decided to do this show and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I would put my top 10 list together so that
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  Speaker 1: you would not have to do this. You would not
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  Speaker 1: be subject to this. Was there at least a little
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  Speaker 1: relief or did you want to put together your top
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  Speaker 1: 10 list of, as I'm calling it, most impactful transfers
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  Speaker 1: of all time?
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  Speaker 2: Um, this one, I mean, there would have been more
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  Speaker 2: relief with the wide receiver one, but there, there was
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  Speaker 2: a little relief here. I do like looking at yours
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  Speaker 2: and then being able to critique it rather than doing
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  Speaker 2: my own. That's usually more fun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Always better to critique. And, um, the, the, the unfunny
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  Speaker 1: thing about the last show we did on the wide receivers, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing this via video. Right. And so, um, I
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  Speaker 1: put the, uh, the graphic of the top 20 receivers
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  Speaker 1: of all time, but I didn't read it out. So
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  Speaker 1: then I had to go back for the audio side
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  Speaker 1: and like splice in the reading of the list. So
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  Speaker 1: I've learned my lesson there. But I do kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to start off by going ahead and going with
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  Speaker 1: my list of the 10 most impactful transfers in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State history. And I was telling Tom about this. We
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  Speaker 1: did a live Buckeye Weekly on Thursday about the difficulties
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  Speaker 1: that I was having with this. So, so much in
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  Speaker 1: fact that I've changed my top two, but I'll start
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  Speaker 1: with 10. And that is Will Kazmarek. He transferred from Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: It was a Buckeye for two years. Ryan Day still
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  Speaker 1: calls him the best blocking tight end in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: And they'll stand by that. The next number nine, Josh Simmons,
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  Speaker 1: number eight, Seth McLaughlin and number seven, Jonah Jackson. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to stop there. because I think people forget
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  Speaker 1: about Jonah Jackson. And it was awesome. I think he
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  Speaker 1: was an all American, but the reason I have him
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  Speaker 1: ahead of McLaughlin and Simmons is because he played the
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  Speaker 1: entire season. But I think if either one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys plays the entire season in 2024, they would be
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  Speaker 1: ahead of Jonah Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: That was exactly my thought process when I was going
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  Speaker 2: through there. I'm like, well, man, I don't know. Seth McLaughlin. He,
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  Speaker 2: he was really something that year. And then I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: He didn't play the full season. Well, Simmons didn't either.
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  Speaker 1: So I had the.
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  Speaker 2: Same thought process in that order. You know, those guys
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  Speaker 2: obviously kicked off the national championship season. McLaughlin lasted longer
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  Speaker 2: in the season. But either way, they didn't finish the season.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody else popped in and was able to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, when we talk about these transfer rankings,
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  Speaker 2: because there are some of them that are part of
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  Speaker 2: that national championship team. it really plays in and it
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  Speaker 2: factors into me where I'm talking kind of like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: wins over replacement. What if this guy wasn't on the
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  Speaker 2: team and it was somebody else, would they have still
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  Speaker 2: won the national championship? And we'll talk a little more
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  Speaker 2: about that as we move forward, but pulling back up here,
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  Speaker 2: our graphic. All right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm with you because the, the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: won the national championship without those two guys was That
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  Speaker 1: lessens the impact here. Now, I know the 2019 Buckeyes
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  Speaker 1: did not win at all, but Jonah Jackson ahead of him.
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  Speaker 1: Julian Sane at six for me. I originally had him
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  Speaker 1: at four, but I decided to move him back basically
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  Speaker 1: because he has not won a national championship yet. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about what that could mean if he were
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  Speaker 1: to do that. And then at five, David Snigbenosin, four,
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  Speaker 1: Quinshawn Judkins. Do you have any issue with these three?
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any issue, you know, looking at IGB
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  Speaker 2: with three seasons of work, I think is what really
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  Speaker 2: sticks out to me, putting him into that top five.
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  Speaker 2: You know, originally, I mean, I think maybe somebody, if
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  Speaker 2: we're talking just one season, would look at that and say,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he belongs right there. But he
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  Speaker 2: had three full seasons. It really felt like he was
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  Speaker 2: a Buckeye from the start of his career by the
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  Speaker 2: time he left. So, no, no issue with any of that.
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  Speaker 1: I know some people have an issue with calling Julian
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  Speaker 1: saying a transfer, which is, you know, he did transfer.
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  Speaker 1: He was in the portal. So that's, he is a transfer.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course my top three bottom top three
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  Speaker 1: of number three, Justin Fields, number two, Will Howard and
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  Speaker 1: number one, Caleb Downs. And I'm telling you that I
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  Speaker 1: had Will Howard number one, because of the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: They were both impactful in winning the national championship, but
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  Speaker 1: quarterback is more impactful than safety. However, I flipped it
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  Speaker 1: back again, Juck, because I'm penalizing Will Howard because I'm thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: if Will Howard could do it, other quarterbacks could have
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  Speaker 1: done it as well. But it's like, well, he's the
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  Speaker 1: one that did it. So I'm not even sure if
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  Speaker 1: I agree with myself. Now, I just know I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to get less blowback for having Caleb Downs here because
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  Speaker 1: it's also the correct answer. But I think Will Howard
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  Speaker 1: is the correct answer as well.
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  Speaker 2: I think your logic is exactly right. I want to
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  Speaker 2: hit on the Julian saying transfer thing first. It irks
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  Speaker 2: the hell out of me that he is a transfer.
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  Speaker 2: It really does because, you know, but by all rights,
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  Speaker 2: this is an Ohio State player from the start of
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  Speaker 2: his career till he leaves Ohio State. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: you missed out on him in recruiting. He's a transfer.
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  Speaker 2: He signed somewhere else. He went somewhere else. He put
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  Speaker 2: on their uniform. He has to be considered a transfer. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the number one, number two thing. I struggled with this
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  Speaker 2: for sure. And I also agree with you that absolutely
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  Speaker 2: in the eyes of most, this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: an automatic Caleb Downs between the two of them. And
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  Speaker 2: I do think that there are several quarterbacks in that
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  Speaker 2: year of 2024 that who may have been able to
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  Speaker 2: come in and do what Will Howard did. But I
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  Speaker 2: also think that that defense was so good that there
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  Speaker 2: were other safeties you could have gotten in the portal
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  Speaker 2: and still won the national championship as well. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: just trying to sit here and weigh that between. In
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  Speaker 2: addition to that, Caleb's got two years of excellent service
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  Speaker 2: to Will's one, but the way we'll perform down the
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  Speaker 2: stretch of that season is, the leadership it just feels
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  Speaker 2: to me like that was the tougher, the tougher one
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  Speaker 2: to replace is the, is the way that came together
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  Speaker 2: was kind of magical in that run. And while I
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  Speaker 2: do think there's a lot of quarterbacks who could have
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  Speaker 2: had the same season and the regular season, like that
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  Speaker 2: end was a little bit of magic and he was
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  Speaker 2: the guy, man. And all that year, that entire year, I,
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  Speaker 2: I felt the way, like what I'm saying, like, I
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  Speaker 2: think he's doing great. I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks who could be doing this in college football right
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  Speaker 2: now with this squad, but towards the end, after watching
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  Speaker 2: that run, I started feeling a bit different that this
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  Speaker 2: is just a little bit special here, right time, right place,
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  Speaker 2: right guy. And for that reason, I'm going to put
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback of the national championship team at 2024 at
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  Speaker 2: number one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Hey, it's kind of like the, the Kobe and
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  Speaker 1: Shaq thing where, uh, Caleb Downs hasn't won a national
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  Speaker 1: championship without Will Howard. Kobe didn't win one without Shaq.
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  Speaker 1: And so you take Will Howard off of the 2025 team, boom,
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  Speaker 1: no national championship. So you've got that going as well.
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  Speaker 1: But the 2024 season with Will Howard, by the end
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  Speaker 1: of the season, it was like, who else would you
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  Speaker 1: rather have? It's like when people would complain about Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Day and wanting him fired, it's like, who else would
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  Speaker 1: you rather have? And the fit is the the perfect
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  Speaker 1: fit for the time and the place. And Will Howard
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  Speaker 1: set records for games with 80% completion percentage. He was
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  Speaker 1: safe with the ball. He had just enough adversity to
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  Speaker 1: really let it fuel him. He had just enough, more
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  Speaker 1: than just enough personality to have the fans rally around
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  Speaker 1: him with the, the Cignetti stuff and things like that,
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  Speaker 1: where he would get after people. And really in his
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  Speaker 1: one year, endeared himself to Ohio state fans. So I'm,
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, this is a.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not punting on it because I think both answers
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  Speaker 1: are correct. But I will just say, I had to
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  Speaker 1: revisit and begrudgingly put Caleb Downs here because initially, as
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  Speaker 1: my first thought is, quarterback is more important. And Tom
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  Speaker 1: and I were talking, he's like, well, if you take
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  Speaker 1: Craig Krenzel off the 2002 team, they're not winning it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you take so many people off that team,
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  Speaker 1: they're not winning it. And really, I think that's That's
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  Speaker 1: going to be the same thing you say more and
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  Speaker 1: more about any team that wins it. If this guy
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there, if Stetson Bennett wasn't at Georgia, Gunnar Stockton's
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  Speaker 1: not winning it for them. So you remove Will Howard,
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  Speaker 1: and we saw what happened. We'll see. Hey, if they
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  Speaker 1: win it this year without Caleb Downs, I'm moving Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Downs down the list.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, that's too– yeah. What about Justin Fields at number three?
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  Speaker 2: You got him at number three. um obviously again you
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  Speaker 2: got a multi multi years of service uh a guy
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  Speaker 2: who obviously played great and um maybe the he was
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  Speaker 2: the first big time big time transfer wasn't he yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah well and like I think he is overall just
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  Speaker 1: like the most complete quarterback that Ohio State has ever had.
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  Speaker 1: And if you had one drive to get 85 yards,
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  Speaker 1: he's probably the quarterback I'm taking. But yet, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Will Howard can do a lot of things in terms
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  Speaker 1: of just picking up that third down, however, in any
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  Speaker 1: manner that it takes. But that's why I think Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Downs and Will Howard are– the top two because Justin
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  Speaker 1: Fields should be number one, but it's like, well, those
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  Speaker 1: two guys are just a tick higher. And, and, but
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  Speaker 1: if Justin Fields had won, if Ohio state wins a
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  Speaker 1: title in 2019 and through no fault of his own,
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  Speaker 1: did they lose? Then he's good luck matching that in
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  Speaker 1: 2019 and 2020, what he did. It's interesting because the,
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  Speaker 1: the number of transfers, like, I wanted to make sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I went back and I looked and the first
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  Speaker 1: major transfer that I ever remember was Kent Graham coming
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  Speaker 1: over from Notre Dame. And I didn't remember the transfer.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember them talking about Kent Graham as the
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame transfer. And that was like 1991, 92. And
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  Speaker 1: then you have to go into like Anthony Schlegel in
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  Speaker 1: 2005 until there's another like non Juco, like right. Big
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  Speaker 1: tech transfer. And then to like Justin Boren. And then
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  Speaker 1: stuff starts to, to trickle in more, but, Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: none of those guys, some other guys that I was
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  Speaker 1: considering in that list, uh, Trey sermon, I think he
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  Speaker 1: had a few good games. Philip Daniels, I think is
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  Speaker 1: still out there. Um, Max Claire, Lorenzo styles, I think
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  Speaker 1: maybe the most underrated guy on this list based on
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  Speaker 1: his season last year.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely low styles is a guy. I mean, he's in
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  Speaker 2: the top 20. I don't know. Did you see, like,
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  Speaker 2: you got a feel of how many at this point
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  Speaker 2: there've been over the last couple of five years?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there were, there were plenty that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even bother putting on the list, you know? Um, but like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even put enough to together to get a
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  Speaker 1: top 20. I've got like on my list of guys
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  Speaker 1: that I would consider in the top 10.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's 16. Okay. And, and so like if you're outside
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  Speaker 1: of that and those would be, you know, those are
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  Speaker 1: the guys every year that, you know, maybe played a
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  Speaker 1: little bit like Logan George and, you know, things that
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  Speaker 1: just clearly didn't pan out. And, um, But I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: does it require a national championship? I guess it does
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  Speaker 1: for Julian San to move up to number one on
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  Speaker 1: this list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think by the criteria that I put Will
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  Speaker 2: Howard over Caleb Downs, it would have to require Julian
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  Speaker 2: San wins a national championship to bump him over that
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  Speaker 2: as well. I think he's got a shot, man. And
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  Speaker 2: if he does, he's absolutely number one. after the season
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  Speaker 2: he had last year with an undefeated regular season, beating
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  Speaker 2: Michigan and getting invited to New York, comes back and
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  Speaker 2: wins it all. That is the best ever. And then
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  Speaker 2: we'll have the real argument over, can you really call
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  Speaker 2: him a transfer?
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  Speaker 1: No, it would be really bad if he wins the
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  Speaker 1: Heisman and he does the Joe Burrow thing where I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to thank Alabama and I'm going to thank Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, no. You can only thank
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  Speaker 1: one of those. But Yeah, like winning it all at
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  Speaker 1: this point. Because if he just has another season like
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  Speaker 1: he did last year, then he's probably at four where
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  Speaker 1: I had him to begin with. And it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be hard to move past Justin Fields without a national
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  Speaker 1: championship for a quarterback for me. But that's my thought.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you. We had the same, what, top five
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks in order, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. So I think this is probably
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  Speaker 2: our most cut and dry in agreement one of these
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  Speaker 2: that we've done yet. Um, but we did have the
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  Speaker 2: same top four quarterbacks. So yeah, good list tone. You
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  Speaker 2: did well. And there was no, uh, there was no
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  Speaker 2: mathematical criteria. It was just you putting on your thinking cap,
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  Speaker 2: which says Buckeye insiders, by the way, I still don't
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  Speaker 2: have one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I'll send, I'll get you taken care of.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get you taken care of now. Um, so that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's the past and a little bit of the present,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to move to the present and talk
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  Speaker 1: about this year's transfers, because there are a number of
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  Speaker 1: them and the impact that we will see here. I
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  Speaker 1: guess my first question to you, and we're talking Kyle Parker,
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  Speaker 1: Devin McEwen, Earl Little, Dominic Kelly, Jacoby Jackson, Terry Moore,
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  Speaker 1: Connor Hawkins, Quay Russo, James Smith, John Walker, Mason Williams,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Allegro, the main ones. Of those guys, who do
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  Speaker 1: you think has the best shot this year of moving
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  Speaker 1: into the top 10, and what would that take?
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  Speaker 2: Moving into the top 10.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I was thinking first round and I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: about this last week and I guess that would kind
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  Speaker 2: of correlate there. Yeah. But I think that James Smith
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  Speaker 2: has the best opportunity to potentially be a guy that,
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  Speaker 2: that comes out and he's always been fast and twitchy.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's, the amount of power that he has. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just back from the spring, the amount of
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  Speaker 2: power that I saw coming out of him, just a
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  Speaker 2: different level than even a guy like Edrick, who's bigger
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  Speaker 2: than him. And then when you already want, you know,
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  Speaker 2: watch his film at Alabama, he beats his man often.
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  Speaker 2: He is like win rate, whatever that, you know, that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they do that. I'm gonna have to go
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  Speaker 2: look at that. But like the amount of times he
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  Speaker 2: beats his man, but then doesn't make a play, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have his eyes in the backfield, overruns it, gets four
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  Speaker 2: yards into the backfield. Kind of like, if we can
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  Speaker 2: get this all together up here, this guy can be
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  Speaker 2: so good. Then he comes to Ohio State. His body's better.
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  Speaker 2: He's stronger. Certainly seems like he's in a great head space,
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  Speaker 2: which not always maybe wasn't there. I don't know. It
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  Speaker 2: just didn't seem like things were jiving, tons of penalties, fighting,
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  Speaker 2: scrapping on the field stuff like, He's got a chip
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  Speaker 2: on his shoulder. But if everything comes together at Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State Finishing School for transfers, I think that he has
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  Speaker 2: the talent to play himself into the first round. He's
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  Speaker 2: obviously going to have the opportunity here. And I also
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  Speaker 2: think that, like, he's, you know, with the other guys here,
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  Speaker 2: he's not officially named the starter. I think he's going
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  Speaker 2: to get a ton of snaps. You know, they've got
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  Speaker 2: this four-man crew where we're not sure who's going to earn.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to earn those snaps as they go. Like,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to be the top dog there? But to me,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's got the best chance at squeaking into
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  Speaker 2: the first round, which may not also be the same
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  Speaker 2: as on this list, right? Because there's a couple others
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  Speaker 2: at a few different positions where they could potentially end
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  Speaker 2: up on this list by really balling out at Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: but not first round because of where they play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also just the overall, like, physical– perhaps limitations
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  Speaker 1: or not being the right metric can hold them back
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Like a Caden Curry, for instance, could definitely be on
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  Speaker 2: this list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. We did a Buckeye Weekly recently, Tom
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  Speaker 1: and I did, sitting there in Buckeye Grove, talking about
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  Speaker 1: the defensive tackles the last couple of years, they've had stars,
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  Speaker 1: and do you need an absolute defensive tackle star, or
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  Speaker 1: can you just win it all with very good players?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm interested in your thoughts on that, because it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like your thought is that James Smith could absolutely
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  Speaker 1: be that star. And if he's, if he is great,
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  Speaker 1: but if they're all just, you know, like better than
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Taiwan Malone last year, better than Edric Houston last year,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: but Edric Houston should be better this year, but like
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a notch below tight, Tyleek Williams and Ty Hamilton, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: certainly a notch below Caden McDonald, Can you, is committee
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: good enough? And Matt Patricia says they're going to go by,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: go by committee early on, but the committee can be really,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: really good. But do you need somebody to become a,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: does somebody here need to be a star?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's a great thought exercise. And when we talk about
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: these guys, you know, is it a situation where you've
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: got four starters or you got four guys who aren't
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: quite starters? You know what I mean? And we're not
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: going to know until we see it, but, I think
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you can win a national championship without having that one
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: super alpha dominant guy in the middle. But I think
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: you would also need two real game wreckers on the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: outside if that's the case. Because to me, when we
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: talk about national championships, I think the thing most national
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: champions have in common is either a great defensive line
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: or a defensive line that's playing great down the stretch.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And To me, when you get into those really tough games,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and I was just doing a show earlier talking about
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Phil Daniels and his wife. I mean, well, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that was against Ruben Bain. And it's like, well, that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy you got to be in those games.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That's what's most important. And it's just like that, that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: always seems to be the difference. And we look back,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: even the ones Ohio state's lost those big time game,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: national championship games. Like it's always about the D line.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: You can point right to it. So can you win
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it without a dominant guy on the interior with a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: committee of four solid guys staying fresh and some really
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: great linebackers? Yeah. Does this team have that up the middle?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Not sure. But you definitely need some studs on the outside.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Ryan Day seems pretty confident regarding his defensive tackles.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And I also think you can disguise some of that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you can add in a defensive end. You know, we've
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: seen Kenyatta Jackson play inside. We'll see what Matt Patricia does.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: We also saw Indiana do pretty well with some undersized
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and not blue chip defensive linemen, defensive tackles. I mean,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: they were losing defensive linemen like every other, every other
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: week for a while there. And they were still able
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to disguise that with good technique, solid play fundamentals and scheme.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And I think certainly Ohio state has been focused on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that for them. Um, I'm the way that Jeremiah Smith
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: talked about Earl little in the spring or didn't talk
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: about him after starting to talk about him and then
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like held himself back is like, you know, you'll just
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: have to wait and see. I'm wondering if he's going
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to be able to be able to make this list. However,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: what I thought he was going to be in the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: spring is certainly not what he is now. When I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was thinking in the spring, he was going to be, um,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Keontae Scott from Miami, a kind of the chaos merchant
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: at nickel, uh, Now he's the strong safety who is
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: basically Caleb Downs-ish in terms of what they're going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: be asking him to do some of, while Jalen McClain
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: is the free safety and Jay Timmons is the freshman nickel.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that there's enough there for Earl
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Little to get there this year. But if they are
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: aggressive with him and they're moving him into the backfield
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and things like that where you make plays, you get
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: people to notice you, You have some exciting moments. I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: think that is something that could happen. But if I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: look at this list and I'm thinking exciting moments, I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: looking at Devin McEwen. And the way that Ryan Day
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: has talked about him, the way that I asked Devin
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Sanchez about him on Wednesday, like when Ryan Day says
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: he's as good as we've had here, that to me
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: is like, that's calm down, slow down. I don't know
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that you should be saying something like that, but They
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: all really seem to believe in Devin McKeown. So I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: think he might be somebody that endears himself pretty quickly
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to Ohio State fans. And then the question becomes, can
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: they keep him for next year?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You know, that comment was so kind of just nonchalantly
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: tossed in there, Tony. When he says, you know, if
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you ask people around here, you know, a lot of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: them will say he's as good as we've had. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: we were talking about an Ohio statewide receiver saying as
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: good as we've had to me says that's a first
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: round talent. That's what that says to me. Um, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like something he would say if he
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: didn't mean it. We've obviously seen a couple of first
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: down like plays. Um, we saw a first round type
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: plays in preseason. Didn't see it in spring. Um, the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: film at UTSA doesn't scream first rounder to me, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he'd be saying that if they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: weren't seeing something really exciting behind the scenes here. And like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: we've seen a couple of flashes, but still, I never
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: thought this was that kind of guy, even though I thought, man,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: he's going to have a good season. Likely the number
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: two guy in receptions and yards for this team. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: now we know he can also make some good downfield
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: plays as well, which we've talked about. but never did
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I think like first round type of guy. If that's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the case, absolutely. He could fly up this list. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: if you can get two out of them, well, hell,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he plays like a first rounder, yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that's probably that's, that's not happening. So, but yeah, definitely.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And with Earl, I don't know if we've had a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: transfer come in before where our perception throughout the off
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: season has changed so much from the time he signed on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to the time and we still haven't played a game yet, which,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, when he signed on, it was like, well,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: this can't be the, the big time safety they're bringing in.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: This is just a guy, right. Gotta be another, Oh,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they got Terry Moore. All right. Now I really liked
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the Earl little signing right now. The pressure isn't there
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: for him to be that guy. And as we head
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: into the season, you know, you just, none of these
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: guys have really been able to hide the enthusiasm and the,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and the fact that, I mean, they just talk about
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: him like, kind of like they talk about Kenyatta. Like
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he's just a dude's dude, man. Don't, don't mess with
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that guy, you know? And that's so exciting. I think
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: those type of guys, when we talk about lists like
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: these really endear themselves to the fans real quick, playing
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: some hard, a hard brand of football, and that could
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: certainly bump him up on a list like this. But
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I was thinking the other day and a guy I've
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: not been incredibly high on because of, The way I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: thought originally they were going to play him was Quay
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Rousaw just playing him like another one of the defensive ends.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that worked out well. And it seems
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to me like we're going to get a little more
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of a specialized version of the Quay Rousaw role, which
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I always thought, all right, that is the ticket. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: now I think there's the potential. And when we talk
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: about sacks this year, I think it's going to go
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Kenyatta Jackson and then potentially Allegro, maybe Rousaw right in
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: there with him. And if he could get up, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to eight sacks or something, it'd be kind of like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the sack master. Yeah. That would really stand out as well. Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's, he said it like, I'm going to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: be a specialized pass rusher. That was the role that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they explained to him. And he was, he was fine
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: with it. And then also in the, the Okie front,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like a five, two outside linebacker, which is on the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage to do some things there, but mostly
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just a pass rusher. And, you know, if that's, if
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that's all, not all you're doing, but you know, I'm
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in a, in there to generally they're going to be
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: passing when I'm in there, you can just get after it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And so it'll be interesting to see what his, his
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: success rate is there real quick back with McEwen. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I think you and I did a reaction show after
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: practice number two, where it was like, Oh, this guy
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: looks like a first rounder. Like what he did out
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: there looked like a first rounder. Cause we've seen them
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: at Ohio state and he did everything that those guys
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: were doing. And he was high point in the ball
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and all of this. And then, talking with Devin Sanchez
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: like about it yesterday he's like he can high point
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it if it's just an intermediate route and it's too
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: high he can go get it he can catch stuff
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in traffic and that's everything that we've been seeing I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: like the fact that Sanchez says like I like going
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: against him because it's completely different than Jeremiah two very
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: different receivers and that's what defenses are going to face
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: as well just two very different guys who are as
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he said the same speed and he said I know
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: everybody thinks JJ's fast but I think Devin is just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: as fast so Just somebody to think about there. You
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: mentioned the opinions changing from the time of the signing
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: until now. Terry Moore is certainly one of them because
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: now it looks like Ryan Day said he'll roll in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: there somewhere. It's like, okay, we'll see. Kyle Parker just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: finally getting back into the camp situation. Probably not going
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to be playing this week. Who knows what is going
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: next week. Boy, if they could get John Walker to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: be make it into the top 20 of this list.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I think that would be huge. I think James Smith
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: will make that. But overall, they need some of these guys.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned Christian Allegro. I know early on, you,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: from watching his Wisconsin stuff, you're a little concerned. Where
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: are you at now with him?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I feel pretty doggone good about Allegro. I don't think
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I'm as high as, I mean, I've heard some people
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: talk about him like, you know, he could potentially be
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: a first rounder. I don't think, Arvel Allegro.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't personally see that kind of athleticism that could
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: put him into the first round, but there's a whole
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that he does really, really well. And
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Patricia is so good at putting guys where they do
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: things really, really well. You know, like for instance, talking
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: about him in the Arvel role, like put him in
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that role against Washington spying on the quarterback. He's going
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to get absolutely smoked. Like that isn't happening. There's a
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: lot of things that Arvel can do. that he can't do. Yes.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: He's a similar size and length that change of direction.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's not there.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Um, tracking down arch last year.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Like he can handle some of the stuff like that,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: you know, like arch is a good athlete. I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he can do some of it really well. Um, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: think he can get after the passer. Obviously we've seen
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that strength when he's getting after the passer, straight line speeds,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: really good. Uh, so I think he's gonna be a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: really good, solid player for, for these Buckeyes. But, um,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: That kind of level, like first-round type, pushing into that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: type of talent or conversation, that I don't see. But
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: definitely better, I feel much better about it than I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: did right at the beginning there when he was signed.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I will say, I think Devin McEwen is going to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: be the best transfer wide receiver transfer in Ohio state history.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Selling out Kyle Parker that early tone.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking like, uh, you know, Chris Vance doesn't count.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: He was Juco. And I just, I don't know any others.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't count Bryson Rogers, although I guess he did
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: go into the portal. So if we're using that as,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: as the, uh, the definition of a transfer, but like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it's not something we've really seen. We, we have not
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: seen much of that. And so, um, We'll see if
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Kyle Parker can catch up. He is playing catch up
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at this point. So that's the present. We've caught up.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about the future in terms
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of where are they going to go into the portal
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: next year?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Wait a second, Tony. I want to talk about one more.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about Bo Atkinson because I think
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Bo Atkinson is one of the most consequential players on
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: this team this year. And when we talk about Bo Atkinson,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: this is clearly a guy that we would all agree
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: is underachieved year one as a transfer what if he
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: now comes year two and is in his you know
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: above the average right like he's uh he's a plus
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: kind of player um definitely makes the list right because
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: then i think he frees up kj to be full-on
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: kj and i don't think i don't want to maybe
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: maybe i do think i just don't know if there's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: someone behind him who has the potential the size the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: strength to be able to do what Bo could potentially do.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know if you can get full
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: KJ unless this pans out with Bo.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a very good point. I will.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I did think it was interesting. Ryan day on Wednesday
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: when he was mentioning the defensive ends and who are
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: going to be going to be player, the defensive line,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: who's going to be playing. He said, Kenyatta Jackson, certainly
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Zion Grady. That was the second guy he mentioned was
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Zion Grady. And it was like, that's, I've never heard
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that before where he's that high up on just, just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the mentioning list. It's not a pecking order per se,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but I'm with you with Bo Atkinson. If he can
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: do it, Kenyatta did last year and just being that
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: strong side and Kenyatta can go beat Caden Curry. Like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to me, that's the plan. I don't know if they're
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: going to be able to do that, but if they can,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: that's great. And if he's as productive as Kenyatta, I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if he can do that, but that's also great.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: The way they're talking about him, confidence is very high.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I will say if he has an outstanding year this year,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: watch him move up the list because he could have, left.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: He could have gone back into the transfer portal because
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: this wasn't working out for him.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I thought odds are he would have. Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Just go ahead and just disappear into the night.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Logan George did it like other players. They go ahead
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and do it. That was not his intention. He's like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm here for a reason. You know, there's a bigger
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: plan here that's going on. And so he was just
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: focused on making sure that he can be as good
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: as he can so he can play this year. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I think that to me is that's all Ohio State
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: fans should be asking for is just It may not
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: work out, but give him your all and see what
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you can do. But I think that will endear him. Now,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the lunatic fringe may never like him if he doesn't
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: turn it on. But this is a guy that could
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: have gone, could have left, and was like, no, I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: want to be here. And Ohio State wanted him here.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So I think that's another thing to keep in mind.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So what are we talking about? Six and a half sacks,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: something like that? I don't know. Just It doesn't even
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: really have to be sacks. Just hold up and allow
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: everybody else to do the work, you know, that sort
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, just be typical strong side defensive end.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It's not sexy generally. Yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm with you. That would be awesome. And that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: would be a hell of a story and, and, and very,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you know, those are the type of guys that, yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that becomes a great story when you stick through it and,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and become that guy. And he certainly sounds like a
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: great guy. I like you hear him talk, you feel
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the sincerity. Yeah. So that's great.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So moving to the future, Chuck, with a conversation that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is going to take place a lot over the next
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: several months, if we're looking at like what positions would
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: they go into the portal for if Julian saying leaves,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: are you going into the portal for quarterback?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You know, this has become so interesting to me in
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the fact that, If, for instance, you know, we don't
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: know yet who that backup quarterback is going to be.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Let's say Luke Fahey balls out week one against Ball
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: State and Tabian doesn't. Is this now like, all right,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it's going to be Luke Fahey for week two and
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: then we're going to take it week by week? Or
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: does this become Luke Fahey is the backup quarterback, in
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: which case he's going to be the guy unless he
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: really screws up taking those number two reps throughout the season.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And then you're absolutely bringing in a starting caliber transfer
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: because you're not going to feel anywhere near confident rolling
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: into that off season with those two guys, Fahey in
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: year two and Tabian who hasn't taken those second team reps.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: You haven't even seen him. Right. And you got to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: make this decision before the season's over. So if that's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the situation, number one, That for sure is a transfer quarterback.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: If Tavian is the backup, if he wins this and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he's coming in doing well in the limited action, we
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: get to see him after, you know, in a blowout
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: when Julian gets pulled. I still think you're bringing in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: at this point a starting caliber guy because you're just
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: not going to have a big enough sample size to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: roll in. to next year's squad, and you're at Ohio State,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you've got to have that position squared away. You've got
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: to feel totally confident you've got it squared away. And now,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: because now, Tony, there are no excuses to not have
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a quality quarterback. None. You know, it doesn't matter what
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: it costs. You sacrifice wherever you have to to make
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it happen. But you can't roll into the season unless
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you're sure, I got a guy who's not going to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: stink it up. who's ready for the job. And I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: just don't know if Tabian is not able to do that. Now,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be able to have enough confidence
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to say that in just a few months is when
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: this decision needs to be made, you know, what do
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I think for one, you've got to play them
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to know whether that this is going to be a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: thing for two, you got to know Julian's decision and he's,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: He's not on all of the draft boards right now
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: because he's just a redshirt sophomore and he's not 6'5, 225.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: He's 6'1, 215, which is going to limit him until
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: people see him performing again until maybe his agent makes
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: it known like, yes, we're looking to head to the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: NFL and then more people will take him more seriously
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and as he continues to show things. But they need
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to know because the declaration date is the same time
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: as the portal being open. It's mid-January. That's when stuff
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: is still going on. How many quarterbacks are you going
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to miss out on before you're able to go and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: get somebody? Somebody like the Cal quarterback, JKS. Somebody like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that where you've got a proven starter, but I also wonder,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: do they want somebody who has more mobility and will
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: run a little bit more? It will be interesting to see.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Can you see enough from your backups this year to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: be okay with sticking with them. And it's so funny
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: because like, that's how it always used to be. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: things worked out fine. Like how much did you see
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: from CJ Stroud in 2020? You saw him carry the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: ball once and hand it off some, some more. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: then in 2021, he lit it up. So it's just a,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it's a very different world where if you don't have
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: a quarterback that has proven you're either handicapping yourself or
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you better be right. And, but if you're Ohio state
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: recruiting quarterbacks, you should be right.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And usually, historically, have been under Ryan Day.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: With the recruiting quarterbacks, though, he's done better with the transfers,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you know? That's true.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah. But been able to field one, right?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, going to make the right decision. I have
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: faith that he's going to make the right decision, right?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: That he's going to know the right thing to do.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm more just enamored with the possibility that it
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: just has felt like, I guess, so long because Tavian's
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: been– an Ohio state commit for so long that we
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: knew the kind of natural order of this for so
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: long in an era where nobody knows the order of
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: their quarterback anymore. It felt like at Ohio state, we
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: knew we got a kid who isn't transferring anywhere. We'll
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: sit on the bench and wait year two as a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: top three quarterback, which doesn't always happen. Sometimes they're looking
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to split town if they're not starting by year two.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And it just felt like we knew. And now it's like,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Do we know? I don't know. To be clear, though,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I still think his ceiling is every bit as high
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: as I always have. I just think it's going to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: take him longer to get there. But that's fine. He's
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: still got 15 years of football to play. I just
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: think he came in underdeveloped compared to his peers. And
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: when you see a guy that is coming in with
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: similar development to Julian saying like Fahey, it's it sticks
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: out when you got the two of them side by side.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of changed the narrative a little bit
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: because like six months ago it was, you know, what
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: if Julian decides to come back? Like that's going to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: create a huge issue. You're right, man.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: That was a big conversation.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Do you even want him back if you would cost
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you Tavian St. Clair? And now it's like, you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: what are they going to do if Julian doesn't go?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: He doesn't you know come back you're going to have
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to go into the portal clearly and it's like well
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: not necessarily there is you're not starting the quarterback this
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: year you're going to give him another year of development
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to hopefully get to that point but i mean it
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: would be crazy to look at this and with no
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: spring portal because you've got to decide you know our
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: We'll just see how things go with Luke Fahey and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Tavian St. Clair and Brady Edmonds. And I just, I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: don't see that happening right now. Now maybe we'll see something.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: It only takes a couple of games for somebody to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: be convinced. Like, you know, like Dwayne Haskins won the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: job in 2018 because of the 2017 Michigan game, you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. If somebody steps up in some manner,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: JT Barrett in 2014, even though he kind of lost
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the job in 2015 because of what happened in late 2014.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Something like that happens this year and maybe convinces somebody. Man,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that's going to be... As of now then, Tone, you're saying.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: You think that you're leaning more towards not a transfer,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: but a starting caliber transfer. Not a Justin Martin, a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: starting caliber transfer. That's where you're leaning right now if
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you had to decide right now what you think is
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, because of all of the money spent on the roster,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: if you're not, and I know they're spending money on Tavian,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: but like if you don't have somebody that is, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: don't want to say worthy, ready to handle that roster,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: then you've wasted all of this money. Yeah. So it's
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like you have to invest in that position so that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you're not, and they have invested, you have to also
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: spend correctly at that position so that you're not spending
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: stupidly everywhere else and trying to win in spite of
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: your quarterback. So it's, it's, it's, it may create some
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations, but you know, that's, that's what happens now
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that it's professional football. So everybody has agreed to this
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: when you sign the NIL and you get the big bucks,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you're no longer a kid and you
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: are now a full grown adult. So, you know, as,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as Urban Meyer says, that's life in a big city. So,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you know, welcome to life in a big city.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. And I do agree. I mean, that's,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I said it the other day. I think that you,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you know, at this point, we're not looking at a
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Justin Martin type guy. You're bringing in a guy who's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: going to compete and likely a guy who's going to
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: come in the favorite with already some experience under his belt.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And it's just so different. And like I said, it
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what it takes money-wise. You have to do it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Even if, you know, you have to say, all right,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: we're not going to spend this money on Vargas coming in.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Like you have to do it. You have to deal
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: with what you got to deal with down the road,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: but you can't waste all that money and roll into
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: a season with a quarterback who can't win it. And
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the further we look at this, like we'll see what
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: happens this year, but if we go a third year
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: in a row and it's yet again in the national
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: championship game, two guys who started somewhere else who went
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and played at this team, And now they're in the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: national championship. I don't know if starting a first year
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: guy is going to be something I'll ever want to do.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you have to be in a certain
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: circumstance to do that at quarterback and whether that's paying
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: $ 12 million for Bryce Underwood or whatever. But yeah, like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't be a situation that you run into. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I will say like in terms of the quarterbacks that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Ohio State has signed out of high school, Under Ryan Day,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: going back to– I can't really count the 2017 class
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: because that class was pretty much done when he got here.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But Kyle McCord and C.J. Stroud are the only guys
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: that have started that he's had as high school commits, basically,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and then signed. And I've written this thing for every
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: year now. You Google Ryan Day quarterback timeline, Buckeye insiders,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you'll find– a long, like all every, every commit quarterback,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: commit every quarterback, decommit every quarterback transfer out, transfer in
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: all of this different kinds of drama with all of
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. And that's, that's not Ohio state's, you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that's not unique to Ohio state. That's, that's the position
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that everybody plays. That's the quarterback position that everybody deals with.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And so it is different than everything else. So like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I never really liked talking about transfers. Now it's, you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: talk about it wherever, but like, Quarterback was like the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: one position you could kind of just speculate on. I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: was okay speculating on it because it's different. And the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: likelihood of signing at Ohio State as a high school
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: quarterback and starting at Ohio State as a college quarterback,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: not high compared to other positions. Let me give you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a nightmare scenario or perhaps a dream scenario, and this
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: will be the last thing. Offensive line next year, do
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: they go into the portal? And I ask this. With
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the thought that they have four starters with remaining eligibility.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But they also have five guys who could leave. So, like,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you don't know where you're going to be in this.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You could lose all five of your starters. If Ian
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Moore is an outstanding left tackle as a junior, like
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: one year of starting, I get it. But there's going
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to be an enticement for him to go. Luke Montgomery
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: still has a year if he wants it. Austin Searvelt
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: still has a year if he wants it. Phillip Daniels
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: still has a year if he wants it. But at
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: some point, there's a scenario where all five of those
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: guys go. If they go, then yes, you're definitely going
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: into the portal as best you can, even though these
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: decisions are all happening at the same time in terms
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: of the NFL decision and the portal decision. But say
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: they lose three of those guys and return Philip Daniels
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and Ian Moore. So now you've got to replace that interior.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: We know they like their interior with Josh Padilla, Jake Cook,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Gabe Van Sickle.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Max Riley, I think, is probably the guy, one of
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: those three that starts in that situation. But I think
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: that's what's going to happen, Tony. I think you're going
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to lose the three interiors, if I'm guessing. And I
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: was actually just kicking this around in my head the
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: other day. Do you feel confident with a new quarterback,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a new center, two new guards, young guards, brand new starters?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: The thing is, when we look at the offensive line room,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: it's getting loaded up. But I think this might be
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the one situation where you, it's almost like kind of like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: all right, one last time we might need to dip
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: into the portal and get at least one veteran interior
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: guy here that we know can lock down one of
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: these spots. You know, bringing a guy that you're 100%
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: sure and you can spend a million dollars on Ethan
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Anyanwa type that comes in and just locks down a
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: spot for the whole year, sign it and forget it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It might be this year if that scenario happens. But
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I also, at the same time, if you were to
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: tell me, all right, you're rolling with Josh Padilla, Jake Cook,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and Max Riley, I would feel pretty good about it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I like all those guys. Just like all three at
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: once is the problem. Like any one of them might
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: feel great about it, but all three at once makes
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: me feel squeamish.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: But this is how it used to be.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: This is normal.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: It is, but at the same time, when we had
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: this turnover, we were always squeamish with this much.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they kept Josh Padilla around to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: be the starting center next year.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: So, but there you go. Thoughts on the transfers. I'm
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: going to ask you folks out there, give me your
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: top five, your top five transfers all time at Ohio State.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And I will say, I asked this on Twitter, and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: then I had Grock go ahead and tally it all up.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And it had Caleb Downs, number one, Justin Fields, number two,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: tied with Will Howard. And then, and Quinn Sean Judkins
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: actually tied there as well. And then Josh Simmons and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: then Davis and Igbenos and Julian saying tied for what
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: would I guess be seventh instead of fifth. But what
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: do you guys think? I, other than Caleb Downs, okay.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Like who's number one, other than Caleb Downs, are we
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: crazy for saying, you know what? It might just be
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Will Howard. Give us your thoughts on that. And of course,
• 47:58
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• 48:01
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• 48:03
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• 48:05
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• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So that will do it for me. Thank you all
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: for tuning in, and we will talk to you all later.