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Tensions mount in Tampa as killer lurks; Texas co-ed murder mystery; What's next for Charles Manson? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. Tampa police on the hunt for a
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Speaker 1: killer after the shooting gats of three people in ten days.
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Speaker 1: We will hunt this son of a down until we
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Speaker 1: find the three victims gunned down less than half a
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Speaker 1: mile apart. Tampa's mayor doing what he can to reassure
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Speaker 1: the public so that they've added a thousand street lights
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Speaker 1: to the Seminal Heights neighborhood and that they won't stop
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Speaker 1: until that killer is caught. Nobody comes into our house
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Speaker 1: and does this not now, Not ever. Authorities poring over,
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Speaker 1: bringing surveillance video for clues, looking at this person of
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Speaker 1: interest walking alone, wearing a hood on the night of
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Speaker 1: the first killing. I need that Seminar Heights community to
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Speaker 1: stand up and I need them to point out who
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Speaker 1: that man is. You guys, go hunt him down and
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Speaker 1: bring his head to me. After the Tampa Cereal killer
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Speaker 1: claims another victim. Now, police actually going through this street
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Speaker 1: eats on mounted patrol, trying to protect the innocent and
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Speaker 1: stop the serial killer who has been stalking the city,
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Speaker 1: paralyzing the city. Why why can't this guy be caught?
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Speaker 1: He doesn't murder for so far, shoots the person dead
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Speaker 1: in public and walks away. He doesn't even run. Why
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Speaker 1: can't he be caught? I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Meridison Soulo on the scene in Tampa. W f L A,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Torez, Chuck Radar Online investigative reporter Cheryl McCullum, director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Institute, and Dr Tiffany Sanders, renowned psychologists,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Chicago. First to Meridison Sulo with
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Speaker 1: w f l A in Tampa. Meredith police are now
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Speaker 1: walking the streets seven un mounted horse explained, that's right.
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Speaker 1: This is the latest development in terms of police saturation
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Speaker 1: of the area. Mounted patrols added to the streets over
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Speaker 1: the weekend. They will be visible for the next several weeks.
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Speaker 1: We now have the cruisers from Florida Highway Patrol supplementing
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Speaker 1: along with all of the other agencies, both national and local,
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Speaker 1: that have been canvassing the area searching for this serial killer.
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Speaker 1: Just over the weekend, the fourth victim, Ronald Felton, sixty
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Speaker 1: years old, was laid to rest. He was murdered on November,
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Speaker 1: the fourth victim these murders stretching back to October ninth,
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Speaker 1: and right now there is a one hundred thousand dollar
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Speaker 1: reward for information that can lead to the capture of
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Speaker 1: this killer. Tampa Police telling me more than eleven hundred
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Speaker 1: tips have come in so far, but right now they're
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Speaker 1: just working off of that one witness description that they have,
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Speaker 1: as well as surveillance camera video from the night of
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Speaker 1: the first and fourth murders. That fourth murder of Ronald
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Speaker 1: Felton showing what appears to be a hall slender African
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Speaker 1: American or light skinned African American um person scene at
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Speaker 1: the scene, scene running from the scene. We do know
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Speaker 1: that all four victims were killed with gunshots, most likely
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Speaker 1: from behind. This person is sneaking up on their victims.
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Speaker 1: It is believed that the killer is from the Seminal
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Speaker 1: Heights area because of the ease in which this person
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Speaker 1: has been able to escape the crime scenes and hide out,
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Speaker 1: and again this area is completely saturated. The night of
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Speaker 1: the fourth murder, there were law enforcement officers just seconds away,
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Speaker 1: and that's what is leading investigators to believe that this
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Speaker 1: person is right under our noses. But no one is
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Speaker 1: coming forward with information, so this reward keeps going up,
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Speaker 1: hoping that someone will crack and someone will provide tips.
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Speaker 1: But right now, I think this community just feels like
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Speaker 1: it's a waiting game for the next murder. There was
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Speaker 1: about a one month gap in between the third and
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Speaker 1: for the murders, and people sort of seemed to relax
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But but now it's when is this
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Speaker 1: person going to strike? When is this going to happen again?
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Speaker 1: And it's very likely because we still don't have anyone
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Speaker 1: being questioned and held as a suspect in these murders.
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Speaker 1: You know, this last victim, as Meredith, Sincelo was telling us,
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Speaker 1: has been laid to rest in the last hours. He
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Speaker 1: is remembered as a quote superman of service. He was
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Speaker 1: gunned down by the Tampa serial killer, targeting that same
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Speaker 1: Seminole Heights neighborhood, and he was just remembered in the
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Speaker 1: last hours by family and friends gathered around his casket
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Speaker 1: draped with white flowers and violent ribbons attached a blanket
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Speaker 1: of flowers, and he was hailed as caring, caring for
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Speaker 1: other people. The supervi so at a food bank was
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Speaker 1: there and he said, I was a supervisor, but he
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Speaker 1: was the one in charge. Everybody came to him, everybody
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Speaker 1: looked up to him. Felton has a twin brother, Reggie,
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Speaker 1: who says, if you have a heart, please turn yourself in.
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Speaker 1: That's all we want. I can tell you right now,
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Speaker 1: this guy is not going to turn himself in. I
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Speaker 1: know that for a fact. You know what's interesting to
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Speaker 1: alexis Terrescho joining me along with Meredistin Sulo and Dr
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Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders and Sheryl McCollum Alexa's Many people have argued
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Speaker 1: or hypothesized that because there was a delay before the
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Speaker 1: last killing, that there is no pattern, But I disagree
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Speaker 1: with that. I think that many serial killers have weeks
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Speaker 1: or even longer delays between murders. You're absolutely right, they do.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is that this guy, he only waited
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Speaker 1: a month and I chose, and they the police have
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Speaker 1: actually said that the second murder and this this latest one,
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Speaker 1: the fourth one, are connected. So the of three weeks
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Speaker 1: between at the month, that's that's not a big gap.
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Speaker 1: This guy is still out for blood, and I think
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Speaker 1: that it's very scary that it's happening right in the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood at the bus stop, and it's it's a deliberate
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Speaker 1: target that he's picking. You know that. That gives me
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Speaker 1: a question. Meredith in Ceulo joining us on the s
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Speaker 1: w f l A in Tampa. Meredith, this last victim
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Speaker 1: that was gunned down, was he getting off a bus
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Speaker 1: or did he drive and park? We know he did
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Speaker 1: not drive. Um. He was known to um use a
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Speaker 1: bike in that area when he would go to and
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Speaker 1: from the food bank. His bike was actually located at
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Speaker 1: the food bank there chained up UM. But he may
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Speaker 1: have been going to meet someone at the bus stop.
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Speaker 1: From a witness account, he was walking across the road
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Speaker 1: back towards the food bank when he was shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: We also know that he had been on the phone
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Speaker 1: with a brother of his who was coming to meet
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Speaker 1: him at the food bank, and that brother was writing
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Speaker 1: a bus to get there, So there is certainly a
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Speaker 1: bus stop connection. There are multiple bus stops along this
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Speaker 1: stretch of roadway as far as we know, though he
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Speaker 1: was walking in the middle of the road, either to
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Speaker 1: or from the other side of the road, perhaps a
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Speaker 1: bus stop, but it sounds like he was going to
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Speaker 1: meet someone rather than take that actual bus himself because
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Speaker 1: his bike was found at the FEAT. You know, Dr
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Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders, psychologist joining us out of Chicago. It's so
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Speaker 1: hard to take in that one moment your life is fine,
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Speaker 1: and literally the next moment it's changed forever. And I've
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Speaker 1: talked about this many times with Alexis and Cheryl Tiffany
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Speaker 1: I Will. I'm thinking of it right now. The day
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Speaker 1: that I walked into a statistics exam and I came
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Speaker 1: out of the exam in an de grad and the
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Speaker 1: sky was blue and the sun was shining, and I
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Speaker 1: was happy and it was beautiful. I remember that. And
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Speaker 1: I was walking across campus and paused at the student
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Speaker 1: union to call the library where I worked, to tell
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Speaker 1: them my exam and run thirty minutes twenty minutes long,
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Speaker 1: and I was en route and they told me to
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Speaker 1: call my fiance sister. And I knew right then that
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Speaker 1: Keith was dead. I just knew, and he was. He
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Speaker 1: had been murdered, and that changed the course of events
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Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And I don't like
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Speaker 1: to think back on it. And and just recently, and
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Speaker 1: I've talked a lot to Alexis Cinsure all about this,
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Speaker 1: um everything was fine at what where everybody's getting ready
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Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving, and my dad had some congestion in his
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Speaker 1: lungs and they want him to go in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: And I'm the one that encouraged him to go in
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Speaker 1: the hospital. And I don't know why they did this.
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Speaker 1: A flooded his body with fluids to make his kidney
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Speaker 1: work better, and he essentially drowned in the congestion in
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Speaker 1: his lungs. And one day everything was fine, and the
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Speaker 1: next day my dad was gone. And I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: these victims families. We now have four dead people. It's
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Speaker 1: so much worse, Dr Tiffany, when it's violent crime. I
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Speaker 1: can't really explain it. It's not only do you have
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Speaker 1: to deal with the loss of the one you love
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Speaker 1: the most your world, but then you have to deal
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Speaker 1: with the fact that someone intentionally did this thing for
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Speaker 1: no reason random. It's just it's almost too much to
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Speaker 1: take in. Dr Tiffany Sanders. Yeah, Nancy, it's it's so
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Speaker 1: heartbreaking to hear your story about your your fiance and
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Speaker 1: your dad, and and just to think about anyone who
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Speaker 1: is a victim of violent crime and one where you
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Speaker 1: lose your loved when the grief is overwhelming, the anger,
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Speaker 1: the stration, uh, you know, wishing that you could go
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Speaker 1: back in time and and redo that chain of events
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Speaker 1: that may have led up to that killing. Um, maybe
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Speaker 1: tell your brother, hey, don't go that way, or go
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Speaker 1: this way, or don't take that bus route. And if
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Speaker 1: these should have would have could have played up playing
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Speaker 1: your head all day long, and it it causes more anxiety,
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Speaker 1: it can lead to depression. And you can't stop because
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Speaker 1: someone insisted on taking another person's life and they had
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Speaker 1: no right to do that. Their lack of empathy, their
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Speaker 1: lack of remorse because even after the first or second killing,
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Speaker 1: they know the pain that the loved ones are going through,
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Speaker 1: yet they still decide to commit this level of crime,
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Speaker 1: this violent act. And so you have to wonder what
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Speaker 1: type of person will do that in broad daylight or
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Speaker 1: come up from behind an innocent person who cannot defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's egregious, it's heartbreaking. Um, it's horrific to know.
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Speaker 1: And I hope that the police do get this person
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Speaker 1: because he's he's causing domestic terrorism in the minds of people.
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Speaker 1: He is paralyzing the community. And also Dr Tiffany and
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Speaker 1: I'll say this to you, Meredith, Meredith Sinculo joining us
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Speaker 1: from w f L A Tampa TV. Meredith, the thing
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Speaker 1: is that now I'm afraid people are going to, just
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Speaker 1: as they did before, get lulled into a sense of complacency.
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Speaker 1: Because this whole thing started October nine when a young guy,
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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Benjamin Mitchell shot dead. Two days
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Speaker 1: later saying it was a serial killer, yet thirty two
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Speaker 1: year old Monica Hoffa shot dead. She was the one
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Speaker 1: that was the apple of her parents. I her mom's
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Speaker 1: death and she would interpret for her mother. October nineteen
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Speaker 1: to see time pass, Just a little bit of time passes,
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Speaker 1: there not much. Anthony Neboa, twenty years old, killed after
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Speaker 1: he took the wrong bus home from his new job.
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Speaker 1: He just happened to be in the Seminal Heights area.
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Speaker 1: Now a month passes and Ronald Felton is gunned down,
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Speaker 1: and in those few weeks, people were lulled into a
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Speaker 1: sense of complacency. I don't want that to happen again, Meredith. Right,
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Speaker 1: you know what's what's interesting and sad. At the same
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Speaker 1: time as in that three and a half weeks um
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Speaker 1: people did start to go on as if Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is done. They actually painted a giant mural in honor
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Speaker 1: of the first three victims, thinking this is it, you know,
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Speaker 1: let's remember these people. And that mural was not finished
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Speaker 1: more than a day or two when this fourth murder happened. Um,
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Speaker 1: and that's that's that's really sad. I don't know what's
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Speaker 1: the killer seeing this and and thought, hey, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm still here, you know, Or was there some
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Speaker 1: reason why he couldn't get back out on the streets
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Speaker 1: and and and commit another crime. And in that three
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Speaker 1: and a half weeks, we just don't know. Well I
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Speaker 1: know this, I guarantee you he is sitting back watching
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Speaker 1: all of the coverage, probably listening to this on Serious
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Speaker 1: X two. Take a listen to what the police chief
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Speaker 1: has to say. If you recall, this was the video,
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Speaker 1: noticed the the hoodie or rain jacket, noticed the gate,
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Speaker 1: and how they're walking, the phone flip, and how they're
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Speaker 1: nonchalantly just walking. Appears to be looking at his phone.
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Speaker 1: It appears to be a light color jacket. I think
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Speaker 1: that's very misleading. You see it here. It now looks
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a color, darker colored jacket. Same individual.
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Speaker 1: We originally called him someone we wanted to talk to.
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Speaker 1: It went to a person of interest. Today, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: call the same individual a suspect, and you're gonna see why.
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Speaker 1: In just a moment yesterday morning, November, moments before the homicide,
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Speaker 1: same gate, same walk, Maybe not the same jacket, definitely
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Speaker 1: a hoodie. I repeat, we're now calling this person a suspect,
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Speaker 1: and we need to know who this person is. We
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Speaker 1: need someone who is thoughtful, cares and has the heart
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Speaker 1: and the fortitude and the bravery to step forward and
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Speaker 1: tell us who this person is and give us the identity.
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Speaker 1: I don't need speculation, we don't need profiles, we need names.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. All you have to do is called
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Speaker 1: We know this, we know the reward for information on
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Speaker 1: these four deadly shootings has now skyrocketed to a hundred
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Speaker 1: as well as the two videos. I still don't understand
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Speaker 1: why police are not connecting all four when it's clearly
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Speaker 1: What do we know? To you, Alexis to res Chuck,
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Speaker 1: what do we know about this area, Corinth It's about
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Speaker 1: thirty miles north of Dallas. It is it's a small town,
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Speaker 1: seventeen thousand people really, just tiny little town north of Dallas.
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Speaker 1: And she was well known, she had lots of family.
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Speaker 1: Her brother said that, you know, it said Saturday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: she'd been out with her friends, and then they didn't
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Speaker 1: hear from her at all until the police on her
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Speaker 1: body at six o'clock in the morning on Sunday. Now
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Speaker 1: you're telling me the time of death was the afternoon, Alexis.
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Speaker 1: You said Saturday afternoon, the last time that they heard
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Speaker 1: from her. Her brother said she'd been out with her
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Speaker 1: friends on a Saturday afternoon, because that's when you talked
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Speaker 1: to her. You know, it's just a warm Sunday in
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Speaker 1: Texas on a Saturday. Well, this town, to John Limley
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing reporter, is kind of like a sleeper,
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Speaker 1: a bedroom community. It's um as Alexis to rest Chuck
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Speaker 1: was just telling us, just a few miles north of Dallas.
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Speaker 1: It's about seventeen twenty one thousand people, a very low
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Speaker 1: crime rate. She had just posted on Twitter follow my
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Speaker 1: they find her, you go ahead tell me what you know. Well,
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Speaker 1: as as you were saying, Amanda Claremont, twenty one year
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Speaker 1: old student, she fit in perfectly in this little town,
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Speaker 1: a college student who people say was nice to everyone.
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Speaker 1: She was dead in a parking lot in this tiny
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Speaker 1: Texas town. And this is the first murder there in
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Speaker 1: nearly two decades. Uh. Con my stars, I didn't know that,
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Speaker 1: John Limley. Absolutely, it had been quite some time. Corinth
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Speaker 1: Police say that she was found shot inside her car,
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Speaker 1: and this was a vacant parking lot off of an interstate.
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Speaker 1: They found her Sunday morning. As has been mentioned, she
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Speaker 1: was pronounced dead at the scene. Um, back to the town,
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Speaker 1: the didn't This town is in Denton County. Uh, and
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Speaker 1: it's really close to the University of North Texas where
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Speaker 1: Claremont was a senior and she was majoring in religious studies.
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Speaker 1: She's just a beautiful young girl, and apparently beautiful on
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Speaker 1: the inside and the outside. Now what is interesting to me,
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Speaker 1: John Limley. Her car headlights were still on and the
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Speaker 1: passenger side door was still open. Passenger side door open.
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Speaker 1: The fact that her lights were on. Tell me that
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Speaker 1: she either drove her car there or her car was
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Speaker 1: driven there, car jacked, whatever, when it was still dark.
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Speaker 1: Now the brother her brother last heard from her in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. We think the late afternoon. Now you have
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Speaker 1: to take into account, as Jackie's pointing out right here,
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Speaker 1: it hadn't been long because the battery had not run
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Speaker 1: down yet and the lights were still on. And I
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Speaker 1: think about this all the time, Alexis terres shut. You've
21:33
Speaker 1: got your little boy, the twins. I don't know why
21:36
Speaker 1: they do it. I'm driving them around in a minivan,
21:39
Speaker 1: even in daylight. They'll be playing in the back of
21:41
Speaker 1: the minivan and they'll turn on the side lights, and
21:44
Speaker 1: you know, I'll bring them in and I happen to
21:46
Speaker 1: go out to get the dog or to do this
21:49
Speaker 1: or that. It will be, you know, eleven o'clock at night.
21:52
Speaker 1: I see the lights on in the back of the van.
21:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dear Lord in Heaven, I've got to
21:56
Speaker 1: get jumped off. But no, the lights are still on,
21:58
Speaker 1: so I guess the car is okay. Then lights were
22:00
Speaker 1: still on, Alexis, and the passenger side door was open,
22:06
Speaker 1: not the driver's side. The passenger side. And another question
22:10
Speaker 1: I have, and I know you don't know the answer
22:11
Speaker 1: to this one because it hasn't been released yet. It
22:13
Speaker 1: says a vacant parking lot. Now does that mean we're
22:17
Speaker 1: at a Walmart but nobody's there, or is it just
22:20
Speaker 1: one of those like dirt lots where people park. Uh,
22:25
Speaker 1: why was it vacant? And was it near a mall
22:27
Speaker 1: or a store or just kind of out in the
22:29
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. That's going to reflect that's gonna give
22:33
Speaker 1: me clues, Alexis as to who the killer is. And
22:36
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's so scary. When they say a
22:38
Speaker 1: vacant parking lot, it might mean that there are no
22:40
Speaker 1: cameras around to capture it, but it is it's the
22:43
Speaker 1: middle of the you know, the night, the sun is
22:46
Speaker 1: just coming up, and she's found shot multiple times. The
22:49
Speaker 1: in fact, when when she was first found, police wouldn't
22:51
Speaker 1: even release how many times that she had been shot.
22:54
Speaker 1: And so she was just there in the driver's seat,
22:57
Speaker 1: passenger door wide open, abandoned with our lights on. Just
23:01
Speaker 1: that's just a scary thought that this this girl who
23:03
Speaker 1: was just out with her friends hours earlier, could be
23:05
Speaker 1: found abandoned in a parking lot. Nobody cared enough to
23:08
Speaker 1: do anything to help her, you know. Uh, John Limley,
23:11
Speaker 1: Crime Stories contributing reporter, I've dug a little bit on her,
23:16
Speaker 1: and I learned that, as you told me, she was
23:18
Speaker 1: a senior at University of North Texas. But I also
23:21
Speaker 1: learned that she was raised in Sandwich, Illinois, and moved
23:25
Speaker 1: to Texas about ten years ago after her mother passed
23:29
Speaker 1: away with cancer. So she is what twenty four now?
23:34
Speaker 1: Her mom passed away when she was just ten years old.
23:39
Speaker 1: She attended high school in Frisco, and that she she
23:43
Speaker 1: was extremely popular and was known for her hair and makeup,
23:48
Speaker 1: always looking beautiful. That was her thing. Right now, Lucy's
23:52
Speaker 1: thing is guinea pigs and gymnastics. Okay, now I can't
23:57
Speaker 1: even I don't even know where to go with that. Said,
24:00
Speaker 1: I can tell you I'm the one cleaning their pin out,
24:01
Speaker 1: all right, So we'll just go with that. Alexas, see
24:04
Speaker 1: what you got to look forward to. So I'm trying
24:06
Speaker 1: to get an idea about this girl. John Linley with me,
24:09
Speaker 1: Alexis torres Chuck with me. Dr Tiffany Sanders with me,
24:12
Speaker 1: Hey hold on, John, Dr Tiffany. I always think about Okay,
24:17
Speaker 1: don't laugh. I think about Madonna because you know, Madonna's
24:21
Speaker 1: mother passed away when she I think was about ten
24:24
Speaker 1: years old, and from that point on she didn't get
24:27
Speaker 1: along with her dad. They're all sorts of issues, and
24:30
Speaker 1: it it gave her a lot of pain. Two, lose
24:37
Speaker 1: your parents, your mother at tan What does that do
24:39
Speaker 1: to someone? Dr Tiffany, Well, you know your your mom.
24:43
Speaker 1: Your parents essentially are your first teachers, they're your first caregivers.
24:46
Speaker 1: They're they're the one who who helped guide you through life. Unfortunately,
24:50
Speaker 1: to lose your mother at such a young age, it
24:53
Speaker 1: can it can throw you off track, it can devastate you.
24:56
Speaker 1: It can cause you have a lot of anger, resentment,
24:58
Speaker 1: and and for this young lady, she doesn't seem like
25:01
Speaker 1: that was the case. She was loved by everyone. The
25:03
Speaker 1: photos of her, she's beautiful, she was studying religious studies.
25:06
Speaker 1: So it makes it more heartbreaking to know that this
25:10
Speaker 1: is a young lady who was on a good path
25:12
Speaker 1: in life, who left everyone and was just snuffed out
25:15
Speaker 1: from under us for no apparent reason. It's just tragic.
25:17
Speaker 1: Dancy and another thing, um John lonely, a young girl
25:21
Speaker 1: who had already gone through so much, losing a parent, relocating,
25:27
Speaker 1: starting over. Those are hard things that for adults to
25:30
Speaker 1: go through. It's certainly is and and the friends of
25:35
Speaker 1: Amanda say that she was on the perfect career path
25:39
Speaker 1: for this young woman, that not only was she beautiful,
25:43
Speaker 1: but she could make other people beautiful with hair and makeup.
25:48
Speaker 1: Of One former classmate said that her look was very unique,
25:52
Speaker 1: that you did not mistake Amanda for anyone else um.
25:56
Speaker 1: Amanda was a senior at the University of North Texas,
26:00
Speaker 1: and the president there released a statement last week saying
26:04
Speaker 1: that their hearts are heavy and the news of the
26:07
Speaker 1: tragic loss of her life has really uh impacted the
26:11
Speaker 1: campus in a way unimaginable to many people. Claremont's brother,
26:16
Speaker 1: UH David actually turned to Twitter on the day of
26:20
Speaker 1: his sister's murder after her body was discovered, and uh
26:24
Speaker 1: let everyone know that this was an important life that
26:27
Speaker 1: had been stolen from not only the family but the
26:30
Speaker 1: friends as well, and the way to have her live
26:34
Speaker 1: on is to never stop loving those family and friends
26:38
Speaker 1: around you, and he ended saying, I love you, Amanda.
26:42
Speaker 1: I have an idea. I have an idea, Alex number one.
26:45
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit more information that Jackie managed
26:48
Speaker 1: to get through one of her sources. The car was
26:51
Speaker 1: part up against a fence with the lights on. The
26:55
Speaker 1: passenger door opened up against a fence, So that's giving
26:58
Speaker 1: me a clue about the parking lot. It was a
27:01
Speaker 1: legitimate parking lot, lots and just dirt area. Uh, it
27:04
Speaker 1: was a legitimate parking lot, but they're not. I don't
27:07
Speaker 1: get a good location. I do know this. It was
27:10
Speaker 1: off Interstate thirty five East in Denton County. I know
27:13
Speaker 1: that UM officers had stopped to check the car she
27:17
Speaker 1: was in after seeing it part in a vacant lot.
27:19
Speaker 1: It was along the block of a highway service road.
27:24
Speaker 1: That's an access road. You know what that says to me.
27:27
Speaker 1: That says to me, You know those little roads and
27:29
Speaker 1: go on the side of an interstate and there might
27:31
Speaker 1: be businesses or just open land there. Somebody had to
27:34
Speaker 1: know about that access road. You kind of have to
27:37
Speaker 1: know how to get back in there. It's just north
27:39
Speaker 1: of Corinth Parkway. And we also know that there is
27:43
Speaker 1: a tip line. I think that the way to find
27:46
Speaker 1: this person is to figure out where she was and
27:49
Speaker 1: go back through the last twenty four hours of her life.
27:52
Speaker 1: If she was out with friends the afternoon before. Who
27:55
Speaker 1: were they, where were they are there surveillance ideas, just
27:58
Speaker 1: as just say she was at a t G. I
27:59
Speaker 1: for ideas. I'm just pulling that out of the sky.
28:02
Speaker 1: They asked surveillance video. Who was she with, who did
28:05
Speaker 1: she leave with? Where did they go? Did that place
28:07
Speaker 1: have a surveillance video? Unless she was carjacked at a
28:10
Speaker 1: red light? She was with somebody, Alexis, And there are
28:14
Speaker 1: clues left behind Alexis, And that's what the police need
28:18
Speaker 1: to be looking at. They need to find out who
28:19
Speaker 1: she was with. And that's what the brother said. She
28:21
Speaker 1: was out with a group of friends. Maybe these weren't
28:23
Speaker 1: exactly friends of hers. But the fact that you know,
28:26
Speaker 1: they didn't hear from her for hours and hours, and
28:28
Speaker 1: that she disappeared all night long and nobody sang they
28:31
Speaker 1: were trying to call her, They didn't sing, her cell
28:33
Speaker 1: phone wasn't working or anything like that. So maybe they
28:35
Speaker 1: weren't that worried about her because they knew who she
28:37
Speaker 1: was with. This is what I know now. The search
28:41
Speaker 1: for the killer of this beautiful girl goes on. This
28:46
Speaker 1: young girl, a man to Claremont with her life before
28:48
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32:23
Speaker 1: but nobody has claimed his body. Yet and believe it
32:26
Speaker 1: are not a go fund me drive started to raise
32:31
Speaker 1: money for an elaborate funeral for Charles Manson. I got
32:36
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Who's gonna claim that body Satan
32:39
Speaker 1: builds the bub? One of the Devil's minions. That's the
32:42
Speaker 1: only one I can think of, because all of his
32:44
Speaker 1: best friends are still behind bars. With me, Dr Tiffany
32:48
Speaker 1: Sanders psychologists joining us from Chicago, Cheryl McCollum, crime scene
32:52
Speaker 1: investigator and director of the Cold Case Institute, And also
32:57
Speaker 1: with me joining me Radar Online, it's investigative reporter Alexis
33:02
Speaker 1: Terres Chuck. First of all, Alexis well, whose bright idea
33:06
Speaker 1: was it to start a go fund me? Now? You know,
33:09
Speaker 1: just last week I was talking about a go fund
33:11
Speaker 1: me for um, a guy whose son was shot and
33:15
Speaker 1: the vet in the church shooting, the Summerville, Texas church shooting.
33:20
Speaker 1: And then, believe it or not, Alexis his house burned down.
33:23
Speaker 1: He had nothing but the shirt on his back. Um.
33:27
Speaker 1: Now there somebody started to go fund me to raise
33:31
Speaker 1: money for Charles Manson. Alexis, tell me about the go
33:35
Speaker 1: fund me please. So it's this guy who is actually
33:40
Speaker 1: remaining anonymous right now. But he claims he's been a
33:42
Speaker 1: pen pile Alexis. He claims he's been a penpile Charles
33:47
Speaker 1: Manson's for about twenty years now. And he's set up
33:50
Speaker 1: the go fund the page, and he said, you know,
33:52
Speaker 1: Charles Manson deserves a be a proper burial. I believe
33:55
Speaker 1: it was the exact thing. And and he's going to
33:57
Speaker 1: have a headstone and people can either come and grow
34:00
Speaker 1: eve or deface it, is what he said. So he
34:02
Speaker 1: wanted to actually raise money, and he did. He raised
34:04
Speaker 1: about a thousand dollars. People donated. Oh my goodness, people
34:08
Speaker 1: are actually donating money. Okay, this is about the funeral
34:13
Speaker 1: expenses notorious cult leader Charles Manson. Now we have information
34:19
Speaker 1: that that person is actually a friend of Charles Manson's grandson,
34:25
Speaker 1: Jason Freeman. That's what we've been told, um, and I
34:31
Speaker 1: have reason to believe that that is true. Already raised
34:34
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks, according to news Alas in New York
34:39
Speaker 1: to pay the legal travel and burial fees from Manson's body.
34:44
Speaker 1: Now right now, the body is being held at the
34:46
Speaker 1: current county corners. That's what we know so far. Let
34:51
Speaker 1: me ask you something to dr Tiffany Sanders. And you know, Cheryl,
34:56
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really want to hear about evidence because you
34:59
Speaker 1: know that's all I care about outside the twins. But
35:03
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, You've got to help me now, Guys,
35:06
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders are psychologists, very well known psychologists as
35:10
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, out of Chicago. Why would anyone
35:13
Speaker 1: attach themselves now to Charles Manson to try to stage
35:17
Speaker 1: some sort of elaborate funeral for him? Explained that thinking
35:22
Speaker 1: if you can dare to crawl into that nuts head, right,
35:25
Speaker 1: most of us that are of same I wouldn't even
35:28
Speaker 1: want to be connected with a serial killer at who
35:31
Speaker 1: had who committed these egregious crimes. But there are a
35:34
Speaker 1: group of people who really seek out fames, who seek
35:37
Speaker 1: out notoriety, who want to be connected with individuals like him,
35:41
Speaker 1: and so they are fueling their own self interest uh
35:45
Speaker 1: later leading to some opportunity for fame and recognition and
35:49
Speaker 1: for us who are saying, we're like, you know what,
35:51
Speaker 1: get this creep out of here, burying him not even
35:54
Speaker 1: six ft twelve feet under, or acerate his body. But
35:57
Speaker 1: there are some individuals who would just rather stay connected
36:01
Speaker 1: and keep this man uh life and and his beliefs
36:04
Speaker 1: and his his actions still live. It's ridiculous, you know,
36:07
Speaker 1: it's very interesting about this guy, um, Cheryl McCallum, I
36:11
Speaker 1: want you to hear this and get your take on it.
36:14
Speaker 1: This guy that allegedly has been raising money for an
36:18
Speaker 1: elaborate funeral for Charles Manson said it is his family
36:22
Speaker 1: obligation to take Manson's body. He Freeman, guy raising the money,
36:29
Speaker 1: I think his name is Jason Freeman, says that are
36:34
Speaker 1: you ready that he will not sit back and let them,
36:39
Speaker 1: I don't know who them is, throw Charles Manson away
36:42
Speaker 1: like trash. He says, it's gonna be a lot of money,
36:46
Speaker 1: but there are people that want to contribute. He also says,
36:50
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum that he has next of Ken's status, and
36:58
Speaker 1: he says, in addition to not letting them throw Manson
37:01
Speaker 1: away like trash, he says, Manson's whole life he lived
37:05
Speaker 1: with the pain of feeling the pain of feeling unclaimed,
37:08
Speaker 1: and we mus must not let this happen in death. Together,
37:13
Speaker 1: we can help Jason bring his grandfather home and prove
37:17
Speaker 1: to the world Charles Manson was loved and will be
37:21
Speaker 1: claimed Okay, now, hold on, hold on, now, this is
37:24
Speaker 1: what I'm getting out of Vibe. You know the website Vibe.
37:29
Speaker 1: Now there's more to it. Freeman is the son of
37:33
Speaker 1: Charles Manson Jr. Okay, it was Charles Manson's only known
37:37
Speaker 1: child with his wife Rosalie, who of course divorced him.
37:42
Speaker 1: Now it also says the notorious killer later had two
37:46
Speaker 1: other sons. I did not know that about Charles Manson.
37:49
Speaker 1: Now Freeman's father who was behind this fundraising activity. His
37:54
Speaker 1: father actually changed his name to try to get away
37:58
Speaker 1: from his connection to Charles Manson, but then later committed suicide.
38:04
Speaker 1: So Charles Manson's son and namesake committed suicide, and now
38:08
Speaker 1: his grandson reportedly is behind raising money for some staging
38:14
Speaker 1: some sort of a memorial or funeral for Charles Manson.
38:17
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, what about that? First and foremost, anytime I
38:20
Speaker 1: hear Charles Manson and family in the same thing, if
38:23
Speaker 1: I get a little creep out. Second of all, my
38:26
Speaker 1: concern is going to be the folks that craved this murderabilia.
38:31
Speaker 1: What are they actually gonna do? I mean, Nancy, there
38:34
Speaker 1: are people that will buy brands of hair. There were
38:37
Speaker 1: people that will buy anything connected to this man. And
38:41
Speaker 1: I'm just confirmed that now that we don't have Son
38:43
Speaker 1: of Sam laws anymore, that they may be actually trying
38:46
Speaker 1: to turn a profit. Now, how could they do that?
38:49
Speaker 1: Could they do that by if they claimed his body?
38:52
Speaker 1: And I am hypothesizing here. They haven't said this, but
38:56
Speaker 1: if they claimed his body, they could get locks of
39:00
Speaker 1: his hair, they could get everything belonging to him. And
39:05
Speaker 1: I've worked for a long time with a friend of
39:07
Speaker 1: mine named Andy Khan. Do you remember him, Cheryl mcconomy
39:12
Speaker 1: And yeah, and he is out of the Houston Mayor
39:16
Speaker 1: Victims Rights Office, and he actually inspired me. Andy Kahn
39:21
Speaker 1: did to write chapters in my first book, Objection about
39:25
Speaker 1: murder Rebellia. I titled it blood Money where people actually
39:30
Speaker 1: get a killer's Okay, I almost had to say this,
39:35
Speaker 1: but it's the truth. Toe clippings where they cut their toe, nails,
39:38
Speaker 1: their hair and whatever can be connected to them, a
39:42
Speaker 1: stamp that they licked, anything, and they think how thick
39:47
Speaker 1: this could get. For example, if they give him and
39:50
Speaker 1: he's an open casket, take ticket, take it self with Charlie. Okay, Cheryl,
39:56
Speaker 1: thank you for that thought. Okay, I'm gonna have that
39:59
Speaker 1: in my hand. Actually, I'm gonna try to picture your
40:03
Speaker 1: face and not mine. Leaned over Manson's casket getting a selfie. Okay,
40:07
Speaker 1: but you know the reality is doctor's Tiffany Sanders as bizarre.
40:12
Speaker 1: Is that sounds It's actually possible. You know the idea
40:15
Speaker 1: of people taking pictures with the body, hair, tonail clipping,
40:20
Speaker 1: you know, the need for any of this memorabilia to
40:24
Speaker 1: sit on their mantle in their home. Uh, it's just
40:26
Speaker 1: in the it's the doctor. Stop at a picture. Absolutely
40:32
Speaker 1: discuss with a selfie with Charles Manson and his casket. Oh,
40:36
Speaker 1: stop it, stop it, stop it. Bragging rights for Nancy,
40:39
Speaker 1: that is just bragging rights. These are what people want
40:40
Speaker 1: to Look what I have? Look what you? Look what
40:42
Speaker 1: I have? Come over my house again? Attention seeking the
40:45
Speaker 1: idea that this can generate attention to the thing for them,
40:48
Speaker 1: that's what they're seeking after Alexis torrestuck right online dot Com.
40:51
Speaker 1: Alexis murderabilia has happened so many times in the past.
40:56
Speaker 1: Now this is a good thing. Now to correct me
40:58
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Alexis go funny stopped pull the plug
41:02
Speaker 1: on the fundraising side set up to help Manson and
41:05
Speaker 1: help his grandson travel and burial expenses or whoever was
41:09
Speaker 1: behind it after the thousand dollars. But now they've turned
41:14
Speaker 1: to fundraising on PayPal. Oh, Alexis helped me. You're right,
41:19
Speaker 1: they did go fund me shut it down. They actually
41:21
Speaker 1: have a pretty good gravitation for cutting out the gross
41:24
Speaker 1: stuff go fund me does, but they persisted. And the
41:27
Speaker 1: guy is now trying to raise money on PayPal asking
41:30
Speaker 1: for this, but only has ten days. He's really running
41:33
Speaker 1: up against a time limit here. He's got about I
41:35
Speaker 1: think Google want two days left. So if he doesn't
41:39
Speaker 1: get this money hopefully well, the process is the prison
41:43
Speaker 1: will cremate Manson's body, so there will not be any
41:46
Speaker 1: chances for selfies with Charles Manson. So I mean unless
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Speaker 1: it's claimed. Unless it is claimed. Now catch this what
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Speaker 1: does this mean, Alexis, and tell me this is true
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Speaker 1: or not. I understand that the grandson, Jason free and
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Speaker 1: never got the chance to meet Manson before he died
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Speaker 1: after decades behind bars, but he said he tried to
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Speaker 1: visit Manson in prison when his when Manson was having
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Speaker 1: some type of guest show intestinal problems back in January,
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Speaker 1: but Manson refused to meet his own grandson. What what's
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Speaker 1: that all about? Is that true, Alexis You're exactly right.
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Speaker 1: The grandson was never able to meet Manson, and he
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Speaker 1: did try. This year was the first, one of the
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Speaker 1: first times Manson ever left the prison. He was rushed
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Speaker 1: to the hospital in January and January six and had
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Speaker 1: some guest strow intestinal issues. We actually thought this was
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Speaker 1: the end. Ever, everybody thought this was the end of
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Speaker 1: Manson was not going to make it. He lasted, you know,
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Speaker 1: another miserable eleven months, and so the grandson has never
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Speaker 1: met him. He tried, Manson refused, and he still still
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Speaker 1: wants to get his grandfather's body and keeps talking about
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Speaker 1: how he wants to do things the right way for
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Speaker 1: this man who was the mastermind behind one of the
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Speaker 1: worst slaughters in American history. Just such a dark, evil crime.
42:59
Speaker 1: Sheryl mc callum, their grandson says, quote, if we can't
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Speaker 1: raise money with go frond me, we'll find another way.
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Speaker 1: It will definitely be a group effort. It's not just
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Speaker 1: one person. It's a lot of people holding hands. Okay,
43:12
Speaker 1: you know what. While they're holding hands and singing kumbay
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Speaker 1: yah and trying to stage elaborate funeral for Charles Manson.
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Speaker 1: Can you refresh our recollection, Cheryl McCullum, and tell me
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Speaker 1: what happened tonight That Sharon take was slaughter? Oh lord, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: those crimecing photographs of anybody has had a chance to
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Speaker 1: see them. You have this young, beautiful woman who is
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Speaker 1: eight months pregnant, and you know these killers go into
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Speaker 1: her house and literally slaughter her um. And so let
43:44
Speaker 1: me just go back a second, because I think this
43:46
Speaker 1: was what it's really bothering me about this whole go
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Speaker 1: fund me and proper burial and things they're claiming. Again,
43:54
Speaker 1: there's a reason they don't won't him cremated, They won't
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Speaker 1: that body. And I'm telling you it's for profit, it's
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Speaker 1: for gain. It has nothing to do with their belief system.
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Speaker 1: It is, i'm telling you, monetary. And you know, my
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Speaker 1: gut feeling tells me somebody's gonna come forward like a
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Speaker 1: Maryland Mainson, and they're gonna come up with the money
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna do something horrific like put that casket
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Speaker 1: and him in their movie videos. I'm just telling you
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be something sinister. Just like his life, his
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Speaker 1: death is gonna be no different. It's gonna be appalling,
44:32
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be pathetic, and it's gonna be deliberate,
44:35
Speaker 1: and once again the victims are lost here. I mean,
44:39
Speaker 1: nobody talks about Sharon Take anymore. Everybody now that's talking
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Speaker 1: about him. And you know, to me, as much as
44:46
Speaker 1: we can shut all of it down, you know what,
44:48
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what you're saying, Cheryl, And I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: want Charles Manson's remains, why don't you want them cremate?
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Speaker 1: If why don't you want them in and earn? Why
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Speaker 1: can't you claim them after a cremation Unless what you
45:05
Speaker 1: just said is true. I mean, I don't know this,
45:10
Speaker 1: but I'm wondering what he wants to do with the body, Cheryl. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's no question, I mean to me, means it's gonna
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Speaker 1: become one of those sectives if they bury this man
45:21
Speaker 1: and they put a huge team soone somewhere, it's going
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Speaker 1: to be where those types of followers, people that um
45:29
Speaker 1: the hells are skills groups that are still you know,
45:32
Speaker 1: activate and things like that. They're going there and they'll
45:35
Speaker 1: play the piece of Dad's gone, and they'll gather on
45:37
Speaker 1: his birthday, and they'll gather on the day that he died,
45:40
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be one of those cult followings that
45:42
Speaker 1: we can't stop. What needs to happen, in my opinion
45:46
Speaker 1: is he should be cremated, and you know, the family
45:50
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want with the ashes, but you
45:52
Speaker 1: know we should be scattered wearing yon where nobody has
45:57
Speaker 1: to place where they can go to and and and
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Speaker 1: give him any more publicity than he deserves. Well, Cheryl,
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