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Growing Beyond Conflict: The Power of Polarity Thinking for Healing, Thriving, and Becoming Wiser (Part 3) · Deep Transformation

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  In
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  part
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  three
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  of
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  our
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  exploration
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  of
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  polarity
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  management
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  with
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  the
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  world
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  experts
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  Beena
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  Sharma
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  and
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  Barry
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  Johnson,
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  we
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  dive
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  deeper
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  into
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  the
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  implications
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  and
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  applications
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  for
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  contemporary
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  global
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  issues
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  and
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  for
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  understanding
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  and
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  mastering
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  our
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  own
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  lives.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  Paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  Maybe
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  Beena,
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  this
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  would
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  be
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  a
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  way
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  back
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  into
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  allowing
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  you
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  to
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  add
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  to
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  your
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  what
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  you
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  told
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  us
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  about
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  development
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  because
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  I
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  think
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  you
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  pointed
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  to
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  the
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  fact
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  that
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  development
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  emphasizes
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  both.
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  There
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  are
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  shifts
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  in
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  both
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  content
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  and
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  process
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  and
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  you
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  came
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  to
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  the
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  process
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  but
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  you
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  didn't
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  talk
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  about
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  the
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  content
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  of
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  what
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  polarities
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  emerge
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  at
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  different
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  stages.
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  I
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  had
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  started
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  doing
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  that.
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  So
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  when
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  at
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  the
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  very
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  first
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  stage
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  there
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  is
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  this
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  self
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  interest.
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  So
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  that's
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  the
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  focus
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  and
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  you
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  know,
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  there's
• 1:08
  no
• 1:08
  capacity
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  to
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  really
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  include
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  the
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  other
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  and
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  there's
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  just
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  intention
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  and
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  want
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  and
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  immediacy
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  and
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  there's
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  no
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  capacity
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  to
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  see
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  the
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  impact
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  or
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  to
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  defer
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  gratification
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  or
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  to
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  even
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  think
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  ahead
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  in
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  time.
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  Everything
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  is
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  like
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  now
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  and
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  immediate.
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  So
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  that's
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  like
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  contents
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  at
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  the
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  first
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  stage.
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  At
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  the
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  next
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  stage
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  then
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  there
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  is
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  more
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  emphasis
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  on
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  belonging
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  and
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  gaining
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  approval
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  and
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  not
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  enough
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  of
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  a
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  sense
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  of
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  my
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  own
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  what
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  do
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  I
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  want?
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  I'm
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  more
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  interested
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  in
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  what
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  you
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  want
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  of
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  me.
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  I'm
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  more
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  interested
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  in
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  what
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  do
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  you
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  expect
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  of
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  me.
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  And
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  be
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  who
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  you
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  want
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  me
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  to
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  be.
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  But
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  I
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  don't
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  haven't
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  really
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  found,
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  I
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  haven't
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  separated
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  myself.
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  So
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  there's
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  wisdom
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  in
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  separation.
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  Just
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  a
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  symbiotic
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  dependence
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  is
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  not
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  interdependence
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  before
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  you
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  get
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  from
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  that
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  symbiotic
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  oneness.
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  Rather,
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  if
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  that's
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  the
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  beginning,
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  then
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  you
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  separate,
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  you
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  see
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  the
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  dependence,
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  then
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  you
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  become
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  independent,
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  then
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  you
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  become
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  interdependent
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  and
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  then
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  the
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  oneness
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  that
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  comes
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  after
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  that
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  is
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  a
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  more
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  mature
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  oneness.
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  So
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  anyhow,
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  so
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  there
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  is
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  this
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  symbiotic
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  dependence.
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  The
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  other
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  thing
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  that's
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  also
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  at
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  this
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  stage
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  of
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  socialization
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  is
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  the
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  interest
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  in
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  harmonizing.
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  In
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  harmonizing
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  and
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  not
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  establishing,
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  you
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  know,
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  a
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  difference
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  of
• 2:26
  opinion.
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  So
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  I
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  really
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  don't
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  have
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  a
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  different
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  opinion
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  and
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  I
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  haven't
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  found
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  my
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  voice.
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  As
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  I
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  said,
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  at
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  the
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  next
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  stage
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  I
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  separate
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  and
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  I
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  have
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  now
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  my
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  own
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  sense
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  of
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  identity.
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  And
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  there
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  the
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  automatic
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  preferencing
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  is
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  of
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  what
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  I
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  know
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  and
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  what
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  I
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  think
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  should
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  be
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  done.
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  And
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  I
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  am
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  right
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  and
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  you
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  are
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  wrong
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  and
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  way
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  This
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  is
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  the
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  right
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  way
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  And
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  the
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  other
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  piece
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  that
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  comes
• 2:51
  also
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  as
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  A
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  privileging
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  is
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  I
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  am
• 2:54
  more
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  important
• 2:55
  than
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  us
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  in
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  a
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  different
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  way.
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  So
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  I'm.
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  It's
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  hard
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  for
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  me
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  to
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  collaborate.
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  Then
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  at
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  the
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  next
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  level,
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  I'm
• 3:02
  now
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  able
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  to
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  open,
• 3:03
  you
• 3:04
  know,
• 3:04
  think
• 3:04
  about
• 3:05
  other
• 3:05
  people's,
• 3:06
  you
• 3:06
  know,
• 3:07
  different
• 3:07
  perspectives.
• 3:09
  And
• 3:09
  at
• 3:10
  this
• 3:10
  stage,
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  in
• 3:11
  terms
• 3:11
  of
• 3:11
  content,
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  I'm
• 3:12
  more
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  interested
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  in
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  achieving,
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  having
• 3:14
  goals
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  and
• 3:15
  changing
• 3:15
  and
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  measuring
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  and
• 3:17
  improving
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  things
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  and
• 3:19
  making
• 3:19
  things
• 3:20
  happen.
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  And
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  what
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  gets
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  underprivileged
• 3:22
  or
• 3:23
  sometimes
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  can't
• 3:24
  even
• 3:24
  see
• 3:24
  it
• 3:24
  is
• 3:25
  being
• 3:26
  open
• 3:26
  to
• 3:26
  what
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  is
• 3:27
  actually
• 3:27
  emerging,
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  not
• 3:28
  just
• 3:28
  what
• 3:28
  I'm
• 3:29
  trying
• 3:29
  to
• 3:29
  do
• 3:29
  to
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  the
• 3:29
  world,
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  but
• 3:30
  what's
• 3:30
  actually
• 3:31
  naturally
• 3:32
  emerging.
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  Pausing,
• 3:34
  learning
• 3:34
  from
• 3:35
  my
• 3:35
  mistakes,
• 3:36
  receiving
• 3:36
  feedback
• 3:37
  from
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  environment.
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  And
• 3:39
  also,
• 3:41
  this
• 3:42
  is
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  milestone
• 3:43
  of
• 3:43
  return
• 3:44
  where
• 3:44
  it's
• 3:45
  not
• 3:45
  all
• 3:45
  out
• 3:45
  there.
• 3:46
  Everything
• 3:46
  is
• 3:47
  not
• 3:47
  objective.
• 3:47
  There
• 3:47
  is
• 3:47
  an
• 3:48
  interiority.
• 3:48
  So
• 3:49
  it's
• 3:49
  not
• 3:49
  about
• 3:49
  me
• 3:50
  changing
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  the
• 3:51
  world
• 3:52
  as
• 3:52
  much
• 3:52
  as
• 3:52
  I
• 3:53
  am
• 3:53
  being
• 3:53
  changed.
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  That's
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  other
• 3:55
  poll
• 3:56
  that
• 3:57
  comes
• 3:57
  online.
• 3:58
  And
• 3:58
  an
• 3:58
  openness
• 3:59
  to
• 3:59
  being
• 3:59
  influenced
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  and
• 4:00
  openness
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  being
• 4:01
  changed.
• 4:02
  Sometimes
• 4:03
  there's
• 4:03
  a
• 4:03
  fear
• 4:04
  that
• 4:04
  if
• 4:04
  I
• 4:05
  don't
• 4:05
  control
• 4:05
  everything,
• 4:05
  if
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  don't
• 4:06
  make
• 4:06
  everything
• 4:07
  happen
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  way
• 4:07
  it
• 4:08
  should
• 4:08
  happen,
• 4:08
  then
• 4:09
  we're
• 4:09
  all
• 4:10
  in
• 4:10
  trouble.
• 4:10
  It
• 4:11
  seems
• 4:11
  like
• 4:11
  there's
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  cycle
• 4:12
  going
• 4:12
  here.
• 4:12
  You
• 4:12
  have
• 4:13
  states
• 4:13
  and
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  have
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  polarity.
• 4:15
  Then
• 4:15
  it
• 4:15
  comes
• 4:15
  together
• 4:16
  and
• 4:16
  you
• 4:16
  have
• 4:16
  a
• 4:16
  new
• 4:16
  unity.
• 4:17
  Then
• 4:17
  you
• 4:17
  have
• 4:17
  a
• 4:18
  new
• 4:18
  polarity
• 4:18
  all
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  way
• 4:19
  up,
• 4:19
  you
• 4:19
  know,
• 4:20
  and
• 4:20
  all
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  way
• 4:20
  down.
• 4:21
  Beautiful.
• 4:21
  It's
• 4:22
  very,
• 4:22
  very
• 4:22
  beautiful.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  wanted
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  say
• 4:24
  something
• 4:24
  about
• 4:24
  what
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  said,
• 4:25
  Barry,
• 4:25
  about
• 4:25
  Richard
• 4:26
  Rohr.
• 4:26
  One
• 4:27
  time
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  was
• 4:27
  going
• 4:27
  through
• 4:27
  a
• 4:28
  very
• 4:28
  powerful
• 4:29
  transformational
• 4:30
  time,
• 4:30
  and
• 4:30
  somehow
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  got
• 4:31
  the
• 4:32
  book
• 4:32
  Everything
• 4:32
  Belongs.
• 4:33
  And
• 4:34
  it
• 4:34
  was
• 4:34
  just
• 4:34
  like,
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  know,
• 4:36
  it
• 4:36
  was
• 4:36
  just
• 4:36
  amazing.
• 4:36
  It
• 4:37
  was
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  godsend.
• 4:38
  And
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  think
• 4:38
  that's
• 4:39
  probably
• 4:39
  at
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  core
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  what
• 4:40
  we're
• 4:40
  talking
• 4:40
  about
• 4:41
  here,
• 4:41
  is
• 4:41
  everything
• 4:42
  belongs.
• 4:42
  And
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  process
• 4:43
  is
• 4:43
  to
• 4:44
  figure
• 4:44
  out
• 4:45
  how
• 4:45
  it
• 4:45
  belongs,
• 4:45
  how
• 4:46
  it
• 4:46
  fits
• 4:46
  together,
• 4:47
  how
• 4:47
  do
• 4:47
  these
• 4:47
  polarities
• 4:48
  come
• 4:48
  together
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  create
• 4:49
  something
• 4:49
  new?
• 4:50
  And
• 4:50
  it's
• 4:50
  very
• 4:50
  Hegelian.
• 4:52
  Hegel,
• 4:52
  with
• 4:53
  his.
• 4:53
  The
• 4:53
  way
• 4:54
  that
• 4:54
  he
• 4:54
  looked
• 4:54
  at
• 4:54
  things
• 4:54
  as
• 4:55
  having
• 4:55
  a
• 4:55
  thesis,
• 4:56
  antithesis,
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  synthesis,
• 4:58
  seems
• 4:58
  very
• 4:58
  similar
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  that.
• 5:00
  And
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  will
• 5:01
  leave
• 5:02
  it
• 5:02
  with
• 5:02
  that.
• 5:03
  Yeah.
• 5:03
  Beena,
• 5:04
  did
• 5:04
  you
• 5:05
  complete
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  developmental
• 5:06
  process?
• 5:06
  Yeah.
• 5:07
  No.
• 5:07
  So
• 5:07
  there
• 5:07
  are
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  couple
• 5:08
  more.
• 5:09
  Sorry.
• 5:09
  No,
• 5:10
  not
• 5:10
  at
• 5:10
  all.
• 5:11
  So
• 5:11
  once
• 5:11
  I
• 5:12
  become
• 5:12
  more
• 5:12
  open
• 5:12
  to
• 5:13
  different
• 5:13
  perspectives,
• 5:13
  then
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  start
• 5:14
  privileging
• 5:15
  that
• 5:15
  multiple
• 5:16
  perspectives.
• 5:16
  I
• 5:17
  need
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  understand
• 5:17
  everybody's
• 5:18
  story.
• 5:18
  And
• 5:19
  then
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  realize
• 5:20
  that,
• 5:21
  well,
• 5:21
  there
• 5:21
  are
• 5:21
  all
• 5:22
  these
• 5:22
  truths.
• 5:22
  There
• 5:22
  is
• 5:23
  no
• 5:23
  one
• 5:23
  truth,
• 5:23
  and
• 5:24
  it's
• 5:24
  not
• 5:24
  my
• 5:24
  truth.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  then
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  privilege
• 5:26
  multiple
• 5:26
  perspectives
• 5:27
  and
• 5:27
  you
• 5:27
  can
• 5:27
  take
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  stand
• 5:29
  because
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  know
• 5:30
  how
• 5:30
  do
• 5:30
  you
• 5:30
  say
• 5:30
  that
• 5:31
  this
• 5:31
  is
• 5:31
  right
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  that's
• 5:32
  not
• 5:32
  right?
• 5:32
  Everything
• 5:33
  is
• 5:33
  right.
• 5:34
  So
• 5:34
  you
• 5:34
  privilege
• 5:35
  multiple
• 5:35
  perspectives
• 5:36
  over
• 5:37
  actually
• 5:37
  having
• 5:38
  some
• 5:38
  absolutes.
• 5:39
  And
• 5:39
  you
• 5:39
  also
• 5:40
  privilege
• 5:41
  inquiring
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  opening
• 5:43
  up
• 5:43
  to
• 5:44
  integrate
• 5:44
  different
• 5:44
  perspectives
• 5:46
  until
• 5:47
  you
• 5:47
  feel
• 5:47
  the
• 5:48
  limits
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  that.
• 5:48
  And
• 5:49
  then
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  next
• 5:49
  stage,
• 5:50
  then
• 5:50
  you
• 5:50
  synthesize.
• 5:51
  Then
• 5:51
  you
• 5:51
  synthesize
• 5:52
  and
• 5:52
  you
• 5:53
  integrate
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  you're
• 5:54
  more
• 5:54
  systemic.
• 5:55
  But
• 5:55
  then
• 5:55
  you
• 5:55
  can
• 5:55
  privilege
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  system
• 5:57
  over
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  individual.
• 5:59
  You're
• 5:59
  now
• 6:00
  more
• 6:00
  thinking
• 6:00
  about
• 6:00
  the
• 6:01
  overall
• 6:01
  system
• 6:01
  and
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  system
• 6:02
  within
• 6:02
  system.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:03
  sometimes
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  can
• 6:05
  miss
• 6:05
  paying
• 6:05
  attention
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  part
• 6:07
  because
• 6:07
  you.
• 6:08
  You've
• 6:08
  learned
• 6:08
  that
• 6:09
  it
• 6:09
  creates
• 6:09
  problems.
• 6:10
  It
• 6:10
  creates
• 6:11
  problems.
• 6:11
  And
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  have
• 6:12
  to
• 6:12
  be
• 6:12
  able
• 6:12
  to
• 6:13
  also
• 6:13
  pay
• 6:13
  attention
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  part,
• 6:15
  not
• 6:15
  just
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  whole.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:17
  because
• 6:17
  there's
• 6:17
  so
• 6:17
  much
• 6:18
  capacity
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  mastery
• 6:21
  at
• 6:21
  this
• 6:21
  stage,
• 6:22
  then
• 6:23
  mystery
• 6:23
  is
• 6:24
  not
• 6:24
  seen.
• 6:24
  In
• 6:25
  a
• 6:25
  way,
• 6:25
  it's
• 6:25
  like
• 6:26
  everything
• 6:26
  can
• 6:26
  be.
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  can
• 6:27
  do
• 6:27
  so
• 6:27
  much,
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  all
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  this
• 6:29
  needs
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  be
• 6:29
  included.
• 6:30
  But
• 6:30
  there's
• 6:30
  also
• 6:31
  something
• 6:31
  that's
• 6:31
  mysterious
• 6:32
  and
• 6:32
  invisible
• 6:33
  that
• 6:34
  is
• 6:34
  not
• 6:34
  seen.
• 6:35
  And
• 6:35
  then
• 6:36
  at
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  next
• 6:37
  stage,
• 6:37
  there
• 6:37
  is
• 6:38
  a
• 6:38
  recognition
• 6:38
  that
• 6:39
  all
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  this
• 6:39
  is
• 6:40
  meaning
• 6:40
  making.
• 6:40
  Everything
• 6:41
  that
• 6:41
  I'm
• 6:41
  thinking,
• 6:41
  like,
• 6:42
  even
• 6:42
  these
• 6:42
  absolutes
• 6:43
  that
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  thought,
• 6:44
  okay,
• 6:45
  everything
• 6:45
  is
• 6:45
  relative,
• 6:45
  but
• 6:46
  there
• 6:46
  are
• 6:46
  some
• 6:46
  absolutes.
• 6:47
  But
• 6:47
  these
• 6:47
  absolutes,
• 6:48
  they're
• 6:48
  also
• 6:49
  ideas,
• 6:49
  they're
• 6:50
  constructs,
• 6:50
  they're.
• 6:50
  And
• 6:51
  they're
• 6:51
  all
• 6:51
  stories
• 6:51
  that
• 6:52
  we
• 6:52
  tell.
• 6:52
  So
• 6:53
  then
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  polarity
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  stories
• 6:55
  constructing
• 6:56
  realities
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  then
• 6:58
  actually
• 6:58
  living
• 6:58
  it.
• 6:59
  So
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  map
• 6:59
  is
• 7:00
  not
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  territory.
• 7:01
  So
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  map
• 7:01
  and
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  territory
• 7:03
  then
• 7:03
  are
• 7:03
  seen
• 7:04
  sort
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  come
• 7:05
  together
• 7:05
  at
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  stage,
• 7:06
  living
• 7:07
  into
• 7:07
  it.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  then
• 7:09
  the
• 7:10
  last
• 7:10
  stage,
• 7:11
  which
• 7:11
  is
• 7:11
  a
• 7:11
  unit
• 7:11
  of
• 7:12
  stages
• 7:12
  full
• 7:12
  of
• 7:13
  polarities
• 7:13
  and
• 7:14
  paradoxes,
• 7:14
  and
• 7:15
  all
• 7:16
  ambivalences
• 7:17
  are
• 7:17
  acknowledged
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  integrated
• 7:19
  and
• 7:19
  owned
• 7:20
  and
• 7:20
  seen
• 7:21
  as
• 7:21
  separate
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  seen
• 7:22
  together.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:23
  that's
• 7:23
  when
• 7:23
  non,
• 7:24
  dual,
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  dual
• 7:25
  also
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  seen
• 7:26
  as
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  dualism.
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  mean,
• 7:28
  because
• 7:28
  that's
• 7:29
  what
• 7:29
  language
• 7:29
  is
• 7:30
  making,
• 7:30
  that
• 7:30
  difference
• 7:31
  between
• 7:31
  dual
• 7:31
  and
• 7:32
  non,
• 7:32
  dual.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:34
  they
• 7:34
  go
• 7:34
  all
• 7:34
  the
• 7:35
  way
• 7:35
  up
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  so
• 7:36
  many
• 7:36
  more
• 7:36
  ways
• 7:36
  than
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  can
• 7:37
  explain
• 7:37
  in
• 7:38
  two
• 7:38
  or
• 7:38
  three
• 7:38
  minutes.
• 7:38
  But
• 7:39
  at
• 7:39
  least
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  have
• 7:40
  some,
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  couple
• 7:40
  of
• 7:41
  key
• 7:41
  ones
• 7:42
  at
• 7:42
  each
• 7:42
  stage.
• 7:42
  But
• 7:43
  when
• 7:43
  we
• 7:43
  look
• 7:44
  at
• 7:44
  each
• 7:44
  stage
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  development,
• 7:45
  we
• 7:45
  identify,
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  know,
• 7:46
  some
• 7:47
  eight
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  20
• 7:48
  polarities
• 7:49
  at
• 7:49
  each
• 7:49
  stage
• 7:50
  that
• 7:50
  not
• 7:51
  everybody
• 7:51
  will
• 7:52
  inhabit
• 7:52
  because
• 7:53
  they
• 7:53
  are
• 7:53
  abstractions,
• 7:54
  but
• 7:54
  they
• 7:54
  give
• 7:54
  us
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  window
• 7:55
  into
• 7:56
  that
• 7:57
  meaning
• 7:57
  making.
• 7:59
  That's
• 7:59
  so
• 7:59
  beautiful.
• 8:00
  Veena,
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  just
• 8:00
  gave
• 8:01
  us
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  tour
• 8:02
  of
• 8:03
  human
• 8:03
  possibilities.
• 8:04
  That's
• 8:05
  just
• 8:05
  wonderful.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:07
  I'm
• 8:07
  so
• 8:07
  grateful
• 8:07
  to
• 8:08
  Barry,
• 8:08
  so
• 8:09
  grateful
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  for
• 8:10
  teaching
• 8:10
  me
• 8:10
  this
• 8:11
  lens.
• 8:11
  For
• 8:11
  me
• 8:12
  then
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  be
• 8:13
  able
• 8:13
  to
• 8:13
  use
• 8:13
  this
• 8:14
  lens
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  parse
• 8:15
  maturity,
• 8:16
  that's
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  gift
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  both
• 8:17
  the
• 8:18
  fields
• 8:18
  And
• 8:19
  I'm
• 8:19
  just
• 8:19
  very,
• 8:20
  very
• 8:20
  grateful.
• 8:21
  Wonderful.
• 8:23
  Yeah.
• 8:23
  One
• 8:23
  of
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  things
• 8:23
  I
• 8:24
  was
• 8:24
  tracking
• 8:24
  Veena
• 8:25
  as
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  were
• 8:25
  doing
• 8:26
  that.
• 8:26
  Wonderful.
• 8:26
  Description
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  description
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  process
• 8:30
  is
• 8:31
  something
• 8:31
  that
• 8:32
  is
• 8:32
  true
• 8:33
  throughout
• 8:34
  this
• 8:35
  process
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  moving
• 8:36
  through.
• 8:36
  This
• 8:36
  is
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  reality
• 8:38
  that
• 8:38
  each
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  us
• 8:39
  is
• 8:40
  born
• 8:40
  unique
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  we
• 8:43
  become
• 8:43
  more
• 8:43
  unique
• 8:44
  through
• 8:44
  our
• 8:45
  life.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  other
• 8:46
  is
• 8:47
  that
• 8:47
  we're
• 8:47
  born
• 8:48
  connected,
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  our
• 8:49
  awareness
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  being
• 8:50
  connected
• 8:51
  increases
• 8:52
  through
• 8:52
  our
• 8:53
  life.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:54
  our
• 8:54
  life
• 8:55
  is
• 8:55
  not
• 8:55
  about
• 8:56
  trying
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  become
• 8:58
  unique,
• 8:58
  because
• 8:59
  we
• 8:59
  already
• 8:59
  are.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  so
• 9:01
  pursuit
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  wanting
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  be
• 9:02
  sort
• 9:02
  of
• 9:03
  more
• 9:03
  unique
• 9:03
  or
• 9:03
  whatever
• 9:04
  is.
• 9:04
  It's
• 9:05
  not
• 9:05
  necessary.
• 9:06
  We
• 9:06
  can
• 9:06
  let
• 9:07
  go
• 9:07
  of
• 9:07
  that.
• 9:07
  We
• 9:07
  don't
• 9:08
  have
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  try
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  be
• 9:08
  more
• 9:09
  unique,
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  we
• 9:10
  don't
• 9:10
  have
• 9:10
  to
• 9:11
  try
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  be
• 9:12
  connected.
• 9:13
  We
• 9:13
  are
• 9:13
  already
• 9:14
  connected.
• 9:15
  So
• 9:15
  there's
• 9:15
  no
• 9:15
  energy
• 9:16
  required
• 9:16
  for
• 9:16
  us
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  be
• 9:17
  both
• 9:17
  unique
• 9:18
  and
• 9:18
  connected.
• 9:19
  We
• 9:19
  just
• 9:20
  sort
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  appreciate
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  truth
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  that
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  different
• 9:23
  ways,
• 9:23
  you
• 9:24
  know,
• 9:24
  as
• 9:24
  we
• 9:24
  move
• 9:24
  through
• 9:25
  our
• 9:25
  own
• 9:25
  development.
• 9:27
  Beautiful.
• 9:28
  Beautiful.
• 9:29
  I
• 9:29
  don't
• 9:29
  want
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  finish
• 9:30
  our
• 9:30
  conversation
• 9:31
  before
• 9:32
  we
• 9:33
  look
• 9:33
  at
• 9:33
  applications
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  some
• 9:34
  of
• 9:34
  the
• 9:35
  great
• 9:35
  issues
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  our
• 9:36
  time,
• 9:37
  which
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  do
• 9:37
  in
• 9:38
  your
• 9:38
  book.
• 9:38
  And,
• 9:38
  Barry,
• 9:39
  maybe
• 9:40
  we
• 9:40
  could
• 9:40
  look
• 9:40
  at
• 9:41
  one
• 9:41
  thing
• 9:41
  which
• 9:41
  is
• 9:41
  very
• 9:42
  current
• 9:42
  now.
• 9:42
  You
• 9:43
  do
• 9:43
  a
• 9:43
  nice
• 9:44
  analysis
• 9:45
  of
• 9:45
  Trump
• 9:46
  supporters
• 9:47
  and
• 9:47
  Trump
• 9:47
  opposition,
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  that
• 9:49
  is
• 9:50
  such
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  divisive
• 9:51
  issue
• 9:51
  in
• 9:51
  our
• 9:52
  culture
• 9:52
  at
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  moment.
• 9:53
  You
• 9:53
  have
• 9:53
  to
• 9:54
  point
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  way
• 9:55
  that
• 9:56
  at
• 9:56
  least
• 9:56
  ideally
• 9:57
  could
• 9:57
  point
• 9:57
  us
• 9:58
  beyond
• 9:58
  this
• 9:59
  staring
• 9:59
  at
• 9:59
  each
• 10:00
  other.
• 10:00
  So
• 10:01
  could
• 10:01
  you
• 10:01
  maybe
• 10:01
  speak
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  that?
• 10:03
  Yeah.
• 10:03
  Well,
• 10:03
  I
• 10:04
  think
• 10:04
  that
• 10:05
  having
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  polarity
• 10:06
  lens,
• 10:06
  when
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  find
• 10:07
  yourself
• 10:08
  in
• 10:08
  conflict
• 10:08
  with
• 10:09
  somebody,
• 10:09
  if
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  have
• 10:10
  some
• 10:11
  appreciation
• 10:11
  for
• 10:12
  polarities,
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  first
• 10:14
  question
• 10:14
  is,
• 10:14
  wait,
• 10:14
  we're
• 10:14
  in
• 10:15
  tension
• 10:15
  here.
• 10:16
  Might
• 10:16
  this
• 10:16
  tension
• 10:17
  be
• 10:17
  around
• 10:17
  a
• 10:18
  polarity
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  one
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  more
• 10:20
  key
• 10:20
  polarities?
• 10:21
  And
• 10:22
  if
• 10:22
  that
• 10:22
  is
• 10:23
  true,
• 10:23
  as
• 10:23
  Beena
• 10:23
  mentioned
• 10:24
  earlier,
• 10:24
  we
• 10:25
  might
• 10:25
  have
• 10:25
  two
• 10:25
  points
• 10:25
  of
• 10:26
  view
• 10:27
  where
• 10:27
  I'm
• 10:27
  seeing
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  upside
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  my
• 10:29
  value,
• 10:30
  and
• 10:31
  it's
• 10:31
  triggering
• 10:31
  my
• 10:32
  fear
• 10:33
  of
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  downside
• 10:34
  of
• 10:34
  this
• 10:34
  other's
• 10:34
  value.
• 10:35
  So,
• 10:35
  for
• 10:35
  example,
• 10:36
  if
• 10:36
  we're
• 10:37
  looking
• 10:37
  at
• 10:37
  immigration
• 10:39
  and
• 10:40
  I'm
• 10:40
  valuing
• 10:41
  the
• 10:42
  Statue
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  Liberty,
• 10:43
  send
• 10:43
  me
• 10:43
  your,
• 10:44
  you
• 10:44
  know,
• 10:44
  being
• 10:44
  welcoming.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  some
• 10:46
  people
• 10:47
  are
• 10:47
  saying,
• 10:47
  well,
• 10:47
  that
• 10:48
  can
• 10:48
  be,
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  know,
• 10:49
  your
• 10:49
  notion
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  being
• 10:50
  welcoming,
• 10:51
  which
• 10:51
  you're
• 10:52
  so
• 10:52
  excited
• 10:52
  about,
• 10:53
  makes
• 10:53
  me
• 10:53
  anxious,
• 10:54
  because
• 10:54
  if
• 10:55
  we're
• 10:55
  welcoming
• 10:56
  without
• 10:57
  protecting
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  people
• 10:58
  who
• 10:59
  are
• 10:59
  already
• 10:59
  here,
• 11:00
  we're
• 11:00
  just
• 11:01
  welcoming
• 11:01
  people
• 11:01
  from
• 11:02
  outside
• 11:02
  of
• 11:03
  our
• 11:03
  group,
• 11:03
  if
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  will,
• 11:04
  welcoming
• 11:05
  them
• 11:05
  in
• 11:06
  without
• 11:06
  paying
• 11:06
  attention
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  its
• 11:07
  impact
• 11:07
  on
• 11:08
  those
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  us
• 11:08
  who
• 11:08
  are
• 11:09
  already
• 11:09
  here.
• 11:10
  That
• 11:10
  makes
• 11:10
  me
• 11:10
  frightened.
• 11:11
  And
• 11:11
  so
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  more
• 11:12
  welcoming
• 11:12
  you
• 11:13
  are,
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  more
• 11:13
  anxious
• 11:13
  I
• 11:13
  am
• 11:14
  about
• 11:14
  your
• 11:14
  being
• 11:15
  welcoming.
• 11:16
  On
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  other
• 11:16
  hand,
• 11:17
  if
• 11:17
  somebody
• 11:17
  is
• 11:18
  being
• 11:18
  protective
• 11:20
  and
• 11:20
  saying,
• 11:20
  well,
• 11:20
  I
• 11:21
  need
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  protect
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  people
• 11:22
  who
• 11:22
  are
• 11:22
  here,
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  more
• 11:24
  they
• 11:24
  talk
• 11:24
  about
• 11:24
  being
• 11:24
  protective
• 11:25
  and
• 11:26
  shipping
• 11:26
  people
• 11:26
  off
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  El
• 11:27
  Salvador's
• 11:28
  prison
• 11:28
  because
• 11:29
  they're
• 11:29
  supposedly
• 11:29
  involved
• 11:30
  in
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  gang.
• 11:31
  The
• 11:31
  more
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  are
• 11:33
  being
• 11:33
  defensive
• 11:34
  and
• 11:34
  protective,
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  more
• 11:36
  I'm
• 11:37
  concerned
• 11:37
  about
• 11:37
  your
• 11:38
  inability
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  see
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  humanity
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  people
• 11:41
  who
• 11:41
  are
• 11:42
  wanting
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  come.
• 11:43
  Both
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  us
• 11:43
  have
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  point
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  view
• 11:45
  of
• 11:45
  value
• 11:45
  that
• 11:46
  they're
• 11:46
  holding
• 11:46
  on.
• 11:46
  One
• 11:46
  is
• 11:47
  protecting
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  other
• 11:47
  was
• 11:48
  welcoming.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  question
• 11:49
  becomes
• 11:50
  from
• 11:50
  a
• 11:50
  polarity
• 11:50
  perspective,
• 11:51
  how
• 11:51
  can
• 11:52
  we
• 11:52
  be
• 11:52
  both
• 11:53
  welcoming
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  protecting?
• 11:54
  What
• 11:54
  does
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  look
• 11:55
  like?
• 11:56
  It's
• 11:56
  a
• 11:56
  different
• 11:56
  question
• 11:57
  than
• 11:58
  can
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  get
• 11:58
  more
• 11:59
  votes
• 11:59
  in
• 11:59
  order
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  make
• 12:00
  sure
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  we
• 12:00
  do
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  protecting
• 12:02
  for
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  people
• 12:03
  who
• 12:03
  are
• 12:03
  on
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  protection
• 12:04
  side
• 12:04
  anyway?
• 12:05
  That's
• 12:05
  one
• 12:06
  example
• 12:06
  of
• 12:06
  how
• 12:07
  that
• 12:07
  shows
• 12:07
  up.
• 12:08
  Another
• 12:08
  way
• 12:09
  that
• 12:09
  it
• 12:09
  shows
• 12:09
  up
• 12:09
  is
• 12:10
  I'm
• 12:10
  talking
• 12:11
  now.
• 12:12
  This
• 12:12
  has
• 12:12
  occurred
• 12:13
  recently
• 12:13
  since
• 12:13
  I've
• 12:14
  been
• 12:14
  working
• 12:14
  within
• 12:14
  this.
• 12:14
  I
• 12:15
  live
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  retirement
• 12:15
  community,
• 12:16
  been
• 12:16
  here
• 12:16
  for
• 12:16
  eight
• 12:16
  years
• 12:17
  and
• 12:17
  there
• 12:17
  have
• 12:17
  been
• 12:17
  some
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  us
• 12:18
  who
• 12:18
  were
• 12:18
  part
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  protesting,
• 12:19
  part
• 12:20
  of
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  hands
• 12:20
  off
• 12:20
  demonstration
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  other
• 12:22
  residents
• 12:23
  who
• 12:24
  were
• 12:24
  opposed
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  us
• 12:26
  demonstrating
• 12:27
  out
• 12:27
  in
• 12:27
  front
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  our
• 12:27
  retirement
• 12:28
  community.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  so
• 12:29
  there
• 12:29
  was
• 12:29
  this.
• 12:30
  How
• 12:30
  do
• 12:30
  we
• 12:30
  deal
• 12:30
  with
• 12:31
  this?
• 12:31
  You
• 12:31
  know,
• 12:31
  the
• 12:32
  tension
• 12:32
  within
• 12:32
  our
• 12:33
  own
• 12:33
  community
• 12:34
  here
• 12:35
  and
• 12:36
  the
• 12:37
  language
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  I'm
• 12:38
  using
• 12:38
  in
• 12:38
  this
• 12:38
  ongoing
• 12:39
  discussion,
• 12:39
  it's
• 12:40
  really
• 12:40
  quite
• 12:40
  current
• 12:40
  here,
• 12:41
  is
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  language
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  compassionate
• 12:44
  action.
• 12:45
  The
• 12:45
  combining
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  the
• 12:47
  freedom,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  know,
• 12:48
  the
• 12:48
  freedom
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  speak,
• 12:48
  the
• 12:49
  freedom
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  demonstrate
• 12:50
  on
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  one
• 12:50
  hand
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  take
• 12:51
  action
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  to
• 12:53
  have
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  be
• 12:54
  modulated
• 12:55
  by,
• 12:55
  have
• 12:56
  it
• 12:56
  be
• 12:56
  impacted
• 12:57
  by
• 12:57
  compassion.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:59
  so
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  notion
• 13:00
  is
• 13:00
  that
• 13:00
  compassion
• 13:01
  is
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  source
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  the
• 13:02
  action
• 13:02
  in
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  first
• 13:03
  place.
• 13:03
  It's
• 13:03
  the
• 13:04
  why,
• 13:04
  why
• 13:04
  are
• 13:04
  we
• 13:04
  acting?
• 13:05
  Because
• 13:05
  we're
• 13:05
  concerned
• 13:06
  about
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  impact
• 13:07
  of
• 13:08
  various
• 13:08
  actions
• 13:09
  on
• 13:09
  people's
• 13:10
  retirement,
• 13:11
  on
• 13:11
  our
• 13:11
  grandchildren,
• 13:12
  in
• 13:12
  terms
• 13:12
  of
• 13:13
  climate
• 13:13
  change.
• 13:13
  So
• 13:14
  it's
• 13:14
  like
• 13:14
  it's
• 13:15
  coming
• 13:15
  out
• 13:15
  of
• 13:15
  a
• 13:16
  compassion
• 13:16
  for.
• 13:17
  We
• 13:17
  see
• 13:17
  harm
• 13:18
  being
• 13:18
  done.
• 13:19
  So
• 13:19
  it
• 13:19
  comes
• 13:20
  from
• 13:20
  compassion.
• 13:21
  And
• 13:21
  so
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  how
• 13:23
  is
• 13:23
  also
• 13:23
  informed
• 13:24
  by
• 13:24
  compassion.
• 13:25
  So
• 13:26
  how
• 13:26
  is
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  do
• 13:26
  we
• 13:27
  take
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  action?
• 13:27
  Why
• 13:27
  we
• 13:28
  take
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  action
• 13:28
  because
• 13:28
  we're
• 13:29
  concerned
• 13:29
  about
• 13:29
  things
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  are
• 13:30
  going
• 13:30
  on
• 13:30
  that
• 13:31
  people
• 13:31
  are
• 13:31
  being
• 13:31
  harmed,
• 13:32
  how
• 13:33
  we
• 13:33
  take
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  action.
• 13:35
  We
• 13:35
  need
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  be
• 13:35
  compassionate
• 13:37
  about
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  people
• 13:39
  who
• 13:39
  we
• 13:39
  are
• 13:40
  impacting
• 13:41
  with
• 13:41
  our
• 13:41
  action,
• 13:42
  including
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  people
• 13:43
  who
• 13:43
  would
• 13:44
  prefer
• 13:44
  we
• 13:44
  not
• 13:45
  take
• 13:45
  that
• 13:45
  action,
• 13:46
  including
• 13:46
  the
• 13:47
  people
• 13:47
  whose
• 13:47
  action
• 13:48
  we're
• 13:48
  even
• 13:48
  opposed
• 13:49
  to.
• 13:50
  So
• 13:50
  compassion
• 13:52
  needs
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  be
• 13:53
  a
• 13:54
  why
• 13:54
  and
• 13:54
  a
• 13:54
  how
• 13:55
  in
• 13:56
  order
• 13:56
  to
• 13:56
  keep
• 13:57
  us
• 13:57
  from
• 13:57
  being
• 13:58
  just
• 13:59
  self
• 13:59
  righteously
• 14:00
  cruel.
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  would
• 14:01
  say
• 14:02
  what
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  were,
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  were
• 14:03
  saying
• 14:03
  about
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  immigration,
• 14:04
  which
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  huge
• 14:04
  issue
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  it's
• 14:06
  affecting
• 14:06
  democracies
• 14:07
  all
• 14:07
  over
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  world.
• 14:08
  It's
• 14:08
  not
• 14:08
  just
• 14:08
  Our
• 14:08
  country.
• 14:09
  Right.
• 14:10
  And.
• 14:10
  And
• 14:10
  I,
• 14:11
  interestingly
• 14:11
  enough,
• 14:11
  have
• 14:12
  strong
• 14:12
  feelings
• 14:12
  on
• 14:12
  both
• 14:13
  sides.
• 14:13
  You
• 14:14
  know,
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  think
• 14:14
  people
• 14:14
  have
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  right
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  their
• 14:16
  culture
• 14:16
  and,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:17
  know,
• 14:17
  protect
• 14:17
  it.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:18
  I
• 14:18
  feel
• 14:18
  that's.
• 14:19
  That's
• 14:19
  okay,
• 14:19
  that's
• 14:19
  not
• 14:19
  sick.
• 14:20
  There's
• 14:20
  something
• 14:20
  good
• 14:21
  here.
• 14:21
  And
• 14:21
  then,
• 14:21
  of
• 14:22
  course,
• 14:22
  I
• 14:22
  lived
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  large
• 14:23
  part
• 14:23
  of
• 14:23
  my
• 14:23
  life
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  Latin
• 14:24
  America
• 14:24
  and
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  was,
• 14:25
  you
• 14:25
  know,
• 14:25
  dealing
• 14:25
  with
• 14:26
  middle
• 14:26
  class,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:27
  poor
• 14:27
  Indians,
• 14:28
  high,
• 14:28
  you
• 14:29
  know,
• 14:29
  I
• 14:29
  met
• 14:30
  them
• 14:30
  all
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  loved
• 14:30
  them
• 14:30
  all.
• 14:31
  So
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  don't
• 14:32
  know
• 14:32
  what
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  solution
• 14:33
  is,
• 14:34
  but
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  really
• 14:35
  recognize
• 14:35
  that
• 14:35
  polarity
• 14:36
  within
• 14:36
  myself,
• 14:37
  and
• 14:37
  I'm
• 14:37
  struggling
• 14:38
  with
• 14:38
  it
• 14:38
  because
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  don't
• 14:38
  think
• 14:38
  it's,
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  know,
• 14:39
  just,
• 14:41
  you
• 14:41
  know,
• 14:41
  seal
• 14:41
  our
• 14:42
  country
• 14:42
  and
• 14:42
  blah,
• 14:42
  blah,
• 14:43
  blah,
• 14:43
  or.
• 14:44
  Yeah,
• 14:44
  it's
• 14:45
  like,
• 14:45
  how
• 14:45
  do
• 14:45
  you
• 14:46
  respect
• 14:47
  what's
• 14:47
  good
• 14:48
  yet
• 14:48
  fix
• 14:49
  what's
• 14:49
  broken?
• 14:49
  And
• 14:49
  how
• 14:50
  does
• 14:50
  that
• 14:50
  come
• 14:50
  together?
• 14:51
  Yeah.
• 14:52
  A
• 14:52
  good
• 14:52
  friend
• 14:52
  of
• 14:53
  mine,
• 14:53
  Michael
• 14:53
  Buchman
• 14:54
  from
• 14:54
  Germany,
• 14:55
  talked
• 14:55
  about
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  initial
• 14:56
  response
• 14:57
  to
• 14:58
  immigrants
• 14:59
  coming
• 14:59
  into
• 14:59
  Germany
• 15:00
  was
• 15:01
  extremely
• 15:02
  welcoming.
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  mean,
• 15:03
  it
• 15:03
  was
• 15:04
  extremely
• 15:04
  welcoming.
• 15:05
  And
• 15:05
  because
• 15:05
  they
• 15:06
  were
• 15:06
  so
• 15:06
  welcoming,
• 15:07
  people
• 15:08
  started
• 15:08
  going
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  Germany
• 15:09
  because
• 15:09
  that
• 15:09
  was
• 15:09
  a
• 15:10
  place
• 15:10
  where
• 15:10
  people
• 15:10
  were
• 15:10
  welcome.
• 15:11
  And
• 15:11
  so
• 15:12
  rather
• 15:12
  than
• 15:12
  other
• 15:12
  places
• 15:13
  where
• 15:13
  it
• 15:13
  would
• 15:13
  be
• 15:13
  harder,
• 15:14
  more
• 15:14
  difficult,
• 15:15
  they
• 15:15
  were
• 15:15
  housed.
• 15:16
  People
• 15:16
  were
• 15:16
  opening
• 15:16
  their
• 15:16
  houses
• 15:17
  for
• 15:17
  temporary
• 15:17
  housing
• 15:18
  for
• 15:18
  people.
• 15:18
  They
• 15:18
  were
• 15:19
  meeting
• 15:19
  them
• 15:19
  at
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  train
• 15:20
  station
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  designating
• 15:22
  which
• 15:22
  houses
• 15:22
  they
• 15:22
  could
• 15:23
  go
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  stay
• 15:23
  temporarily.
• 15:25
  And
• 15:25
  that
• 15:25
  led
• 15:25
  to
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  flood,
• 15:26
  that
• 15:27
  led
• 15:27
  to
• 15:27
  a
• 15:27
  reaction
• 15:28
  where
• 15:28
  people
• 15:28
  saying,
• 15:29
  wait
• 15:29
  a
• 15:29
  minute,
• 15:29
  we
• 15:30
  are
• 15:30
  beyond
• 15:30
  capacity
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  this
• 15:32
  welcoming
• 15:32
  thing.
• 15:33
  And
• 15:33
  it
• 15:33
  fed
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  more
• 15:35
  that
• 15:35
  conservative,
• 15:36
  more
• 15:36
  right
• 15:36
  wing,
• 15:37
  Wait
• 15:37
  a
• 15:37
  minute,
• 15:37
  we're
• 15:37
  not
• 15:37
  protecting,
• 15:38
  you
• 15:39
  know,
• 15:39
  we're
• 15:40
  making
• 15:40
  ourselves
• 15:40
  vulnerable
• 15:41
  by
• 15:41
  how
• 15:41
  we're
• 15:41
  doing
• 15:42
  this.
• 15:42
  Matter
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  fact,
• 15:43
  we
• 15:43
  did
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  presentation
• 15:44
  a
• 15:45
  number
• 15:45
  of
• 15:45
  years
• 15:45
  ago
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  just
• 15:46
  about
• 15:47
  that
• 15:47
  whole
• 15:47
  issue
• 15:48
  in
• 15:48
  Germany
• 15:49
  where
• 15:49
  they
• 15:50
  had
• 15:50
  done
• 15:51
  something
• 15:51
  that
• 15:51
  was
• 15:52
  very
• 15:52
  much
• 15:52
  like
• 15:52
  our
• 15:53
  Statue
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  Liberty,
• 15:53
  you
• 15:54
  know,
• 15:54
  give
• 15:54
  me
• 15:54
  your
• 15:54
  poor,
• 15:55
  you're
• 15:55
  tired,
• 15:55
  your
• 15:55
  huddled
• 15:56
  masses
• 15:56
  yearning
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  be
• 15:57
  free.
• 15:58
  But
• 15:58
  it's
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  good
• 15:59
  example,
• 15:59
  like
• 15:59
  you
• 16:00
  said,
• 16:00
  of
• 16:00
  we
• 16:00
  experience
• 16:01
  it
• 16:01
  inside.
• 16:02
  Barry,
• 16:03
  maybe
• 16:03
  follow
• 16:04
  on
• 16:04
  with
• 16:04
  that.
• 16:05
  Maybe
• 16:05
  do
• 16:05
  want
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  get
• 16:06
  in?
• 16:06
  Perhaps
• 16:06
  our
• 16:07
  final
• 16:07
  example,
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  biggest
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  all
• 16:10
  challenges,
• 16:11
  something
• 16:11
  that
• 16:12
  you've
• 16:12
  been
• 16:12
  working
• 16:12
  on
• 16:13
  Veena,
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  thinking
• 16:13
  about
• 16:14
  deeply,
• 16:14
  is
• 16:15
  the
• 16:15
  so
• 16:15
  called
• 16:15
  meta
• 16:16
  crisis.
• 16:16
  The
• 16:16
  recognition
• 16:17
  that
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  many
• 16:17
  challenges
• 16:18
  we're
• 16:18
  facing,
• 16:19
  whether
• 16:19
  it
• 16:19
  be
• 16:20
  environmental,
• 16:21
  ecological,
• 16:22
  weapons,
• 16:23
  war,
• 16:24
  degradation,
• 16:25
  pollution,
• 16:26
  all
• 16:27
  these
• 16:27
  are
• 16:28
  reflections
• 16:28
  of
• 16:29
  both
• 16:30
  our
• 16:30
  individual
• 16:30
  and
• 16:31
  collective
• 16:31
  psyches
• 16:32
  and
• 16:32
  our
• 16:33
  culture,
• 16:33
  and
• 16:34
  that
• 16:34
  they
• 16:34
  feed
• 16:35
  into
• 16:35
  one
• 16:35
  another
• 16:36
  in
• 16:36
  an
• 16:36
  extraordinarily
• 16:37
  complex,
• 16:38
  actually
• 16:38
  incomprehensibly
• 16:40
  complex
• 16:40
  big
• 16:41
  system.
• 16:42
  And
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  wonder
• 16:43
  what.
• 16:44
  This
• 16:45
  is
• 16:45
  one
• 16:45
  of
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  great
• 16:46
  challenges
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  our
• 16:46
  time,
• 16:47
  perhaps,
• 16:47
  you
• 16:47
  know,
• 16:48
  the
• 16:48
  challenge
• 16:48
  which
• 16:49
  will
• 16:49
  decide
• 16:49
  the
• 16:49
  future
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  civilization.
• 16:51
  It's
• 16:52
  a
• 16:52
  huge
• 16:52
  topic.
• 16:52
  But
• 16:53
  do
• 16:53
  you
• 16:53
  have
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  sense
• 16:54
  of
• 16:55
  how
• 16:55
  polarity
• 16:56
  thinking
• 16:57
  can
• 16:58
  help
• 16:58
  you?
• 17:00
  Well
• 17:01
  first,
• 17:02
  even
• 17:02
  tracing
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  roots
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  the
• 17:04
  meta
• 17:04
  crisis
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  how
• 17:06
  it
• 17:06
  relates
• 17:07
  to
• 17:08
  either
• 17:08
  or
• 17:09
  thinking
• 17:09
  is
• 17:09
  important.
• 17:10
  So
• 17:11
  I'll
• 17:11
  just
• 17:11
  say
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  couple
• 17:12
  of
• 17:12
  things
• 17:12
  and
• 17:12
  then
• 17:12
  Barry,
• 17:13
  you
• 17:13
  know,
• 17:13
  I'd
• 17:13
  love
• 17:13
  to
• 17:14
  hear
• 17:14
  from
• 17:14
  you.
• 17:15
  So
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  first
• 17:15
  is
• 17:16
  I
• 17:16
  do
• 17:16
  think
• 17:16
  that
• 17:17
  unipolar
• 17:18
  thinking,
• 17:18
  or
• 17:18
  either
• 17:19
  or
• 17:19
  thinking
• 17:19
  is
• 17:20
  a
• 17:20
  generator
• 17:20
  function
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  the
• 17:21
  metacrisis.
• 17:23
  This
• 17:23
  is
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  core
• 17:25
  psychological
• 17:26
  imperative
• 17:26
  or
• 17:27
  impulse
• 17:27
  that
• 17:28
  has
• 17:28
  led
• 17:28
  to
• 17:28
  the
• 17:29
  metacrisis.
• 17:29
  And
• 17:29
  so
• 17:30
  if
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  just
• 17:30
  break
• 17:30
  it
• 17:31
  down.
• 17:31
  So
• 17:31
  earlier
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  talked
• 17:32
  about
• 17:32
  how
• 17:33
  if
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  have
• 17:33
  systematically
• 17:34
  you're
• 17:35
  privileging
• 17:35
  one
• 17:35
  pole
• 17:36
  over
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  other
• 17:36
  and
• 17:36
  there
• 17:37
  is
• 17:37
  a
• 17:37
  set
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  polarities
• 17:38
  where
• 17:38
  you're
• 17:38
  only
• 17:39
  privileging
• 17:39
  one,
• 17:40
  then
• 17:40
  they
• 17:40
  all
• 17:41
  stack
• 17:41
  and
• 17:42
  then
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  get
• 17:43
  compounding
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  more
• 17:45
  complex
• 17:45
  issues
• 17:46
  which
• 17:46
  has
• 17:46
  led
• 17:46
  to
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  meta
• 17:47
  crisis.
• 17:47
  So
• 17:47
  what
• 17:48
  are
• 17:48
  some
• 17:48
  of
• 17:48
  these?
• 17:49
  And
• 17:49
  they're
• 17:49
  quite
• 17:49
  obvious
• 17:50
  that
• 17:50
  they're
• 17:50
  not
• 17:51
  earth
• 17:51
  shakingly
• 17:51
  new
• 17:52
  framings.
• 17:53
  Focusing
• 17:53
  on
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  short
• 17:54
  term,
• 17:54
  not
• 17:55
  on
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  long
• 17:55
  term,
• 17:56
  focusing
• 17:57
  on
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  part,
• 17:58
  not
• 17:58
  on
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  whole.
• 18:00
  Focusing
• 18:00
  on
• 18:00
  linear,
• 18:02
  linear
• 18:03
  problem
• 18:03
  solving
• 18:03
  and
• 18:04
  not
• 18:04
  systemic.
• 18:06
  Focusing
• 18:06
  on
• 18:07
  external,
• 18:08
  what's
• 18:08
  external
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  not
• 18:09
  what's
• 18:09
  internal.
• 18:10
  Just
• 18:10
  you
• 18:10
  know,
• 18:10
  taking
• 18:11
  concrete
• 18:11
  external
• 18:12
  material
• 18:13
  solutions
• 18:14
  and
• 18:14
  not
• 18:14
  really
• 18:15
  thinking
• 18:15
  about
• 18:15
  culture
• 18:16
  or
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  human
• 18:17
  being,
• 18:17
  for
• 18:17
  example,
• 18:18
  focusing
• 18:19
  on
• 18:19
  the
• 18:20
  technical.
• 18:21
  So
• 18:21
  more
• 18:22
  technology,
• 18:22
  more
• 18:23
  problems,
• 18:23
  more
• 18:23
  technology.
• 18:24
  You're
• 18:24
  not
• 18:24
  focusing
• 18:25
  on
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  impact
• 18:25
  on
• 18:26
  humans.
• 18:26
  So
• 18:26
  now
• 18:26
  we
• 18:27
  have
• 18:27
  so
• 18:27
  much,
• 18:28
  you
• 18:28
  know,
• 18:29
  impact
• 18:29
  on
• 18:30
  mental
• 18:30
  illness
• 18:30
  as
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  result
• 18:31
  of
• 18:32
  over
• 18:32
  focusing
• 18:32
  on
• 18:33
  technology.
• 18:34
  Focusing
• 18:34
  on
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  individual
• 18:36
  and
• 18:36
  not
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  collective.
• 18:37
  Focusing
• 18:38
  on
• 18:38
  by
• 18:39
  part,
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  mean
• 18:40
  even
• 18:40
  some
• 18:40
  constituencies
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  their
• 18:42
  independence
• 18:44
  as
• 18:44
  opposed
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  collective
• 18:45
  and
• 18:46
  more
• 18:46
  equitable
• 18:47
  distribution.
• 18:49
  Focusing
• 18:49
  on
• 18:49
  what's
• 18:50
  traditional,
• 18:50
  like
• 18:51
  we
• 18:51
  make
• 18:52
  homes
• 18:52
  by
• 18:52
  cutting
• 18:53
  trees.
• 18:53
  What
• 18:54
  about
• 18:54
  innovative
• 18:55
  ways
• 18:55
  so
• 18:55
  that
• 18:56
  we
• 18:56
  can
• 18:56
  come
• 18:56
  up
• 18:56
  with
• 18:57
  new
• 18:57
  ways
• 18:57
  of
• 18:57
  making
• 18:58
  homes
• 18:58
  and
• 18:58
  we're
• 18:58
  not
• 18:59
  harming
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  environment.
• 19:00
  And
• 19:00
  then
• 19:00
  the
• 19:01
  last
• 19:01
  uber
• 19:02
  one
• 19:02
  would
• 19:02
  be
• 19:02
  focusing
• 19:03
  on
• 19:04
  anthropocentric
• 19:05
  human
• 19:06
  oriented
• 19:07
  as
• 19:07
  opposed
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  non
• 19:09
  human
• 19:09
  or
• 19:09
  nature.
• 19:10
  But
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  just
• 19:10
  stack
• 19:11
  all
• 19:11
  this
• 19:11
  up
• 19:11
  and
• 19:12
  you
• 19:12
  get
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  meta
• 19:12
  crisis.
• 19:13
  You
• 19:13
  stack
• 19:13
  focusing
• 19:14
  on
• 19:14
  short
• 19:14
  term,
• 19:15
  linear,
• 19:15
  simple,
• 19:16
  external,
• 19:16
  technical,
• 19:17
  individual,
• 19:19
  economic
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  humans
• 19:21
  only.
• 19:22
  And
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  neglect,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:24
  neglect
• 19:24
  the
• 19:24
  whole,
• 19:24
  the
• 19:25
  longer
• 19:25
  term,
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  systemic,
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  human,
• 19:26
  the
• 19:27
  collective
• 19:27
  nature.
• 19:28
  This
• 19:28
  is
• 19:28
  what
• 19:29
  you
• 19:29
  get.
• 19:29
  So
• 19:30
  this
• 19:30
  is
• 19:30
  just
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  very
• 19:31
  high
• 19:31
  level,
• 19:32
  quick,
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  mean
• 19:33
  quite
• 19:34
  what
• 19:34
  is
• 19:34
  obvious.
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  think
• 19:35
  I'm
• 19:36
  just
• 19:36
  naming
• 19:36
  some
• 19:36
  of
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  obvious.
• 19:38
  And
• 19:39
  Daniel
• 19:40
  Schmachtenberg
• 19:40
  has
• 19:41
  summarized
• 19:41
  this
• 19:41
  beautifully
• 19:42
  in
• 19:42
  his
• 19:42
  description
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  what
• 19:43
  is
• 19:43
  naive
• 19:44
  progress.
• 19:45
  So
• 19:45
  naive
• 19:45
  progress
• 19:46
  is
• 19:47
  when
• 19:47
  you
• 19:48
  naively,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  know,
• 19:49
  do
• 19:50
  this
• 19:50
  simplistic
• 19:51
  linear
• 19:51
  part,
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  know,
• 19:52
  part
• 19:53
  focused,
• 19:54
  short
• 19:54
  term
• 19:55
  focused,
• 19:56
  that's
• 19:56
  not
• 19:56
  mature
• 19:57
  progress.
• 19:59
  So
• 19:59
  maturity
• 20:00
  is
• 20:00
  about
• 20:01
  harmonizing
• 20:02
  the
• 20:02
  polarities.
• 20:03
  So,
• 20:03
  Barry,
• 20:04
  I'd
• 20:04
  be
• 20:04
  curious
• 20:05
  about
• 20:05
  how
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  would.
• 20:07
  Yeah,
• 20:07
  I
• 20:08
  agree
• 20:08
  with
• 20:08
  everything
• 20:09
  you're
• 20:09
  saying,
• 20:09
  Beena.
• 20:10
  It's
• 20:10
  very
• 20:11
  helpful.
• 20:11
  Another
• 20:12
  way
• 20:13
  to
• 20:13
  look
• 20:13
  at
• 20:14
  how
• 20:14
  it's
• 20:14
  helpful
• 20:15
  is
• 20:15
  that
• 20:16
  we
• 20:16
  can
• 20:16
  look
• 20:16
  at
• 20:17
  natural
• 20:17
  desires
• 20:18
  that
• 20:18
  all
• 20:18
  of
• 20:19
  us
• 20:19
  have.
• 20:20
  And
• 20:20
  if
• 20:20
  we
• 20:21
  respond
• 20:21
  to
• 20:22
  those
• 20:22
  natural
• 20:22
  desires
• 20:23
  by
• 20:23
  choosing
• 20:24
  one
• 20:24
  pole
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  polarity,
• 20:26
  we
• 20:26
  get
• 20:26
  in
• 20:26
  trouble.
• 20:27
  So
• 20:27
  the
• 20:28
  source
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  problem
• 20:29
  is
• 20:29
  having
• 20:29
  a
• 20:29
  natural
• 20:30
  desire
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  is
• 20:31
  responded
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  by
• 20:32
  choosing
• 20:33
  one
• 20:33
  pole
• 20:33
  of
• 20:33
  a
• 20:33
  polarity.
• 20:34
  So
• 20:34
  for
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  first
• 20:35
  one,
• 20:35
  for
• 20:35
  example,
• 20:36
  is
• 20:36
  we
• 20:36
  have
• 20:37
  a
• 20:37
  natural
• 20:37
  desire
• 20:37
  to
• 20:38
  be
• 20:38
  problem
• 20:38
  solvers.
• 20:40
  If
• 20:40
  we've
• 20:40
  got
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  problem,
• 20:41
  then
• 20:41
  solving
• 20:42
  it,
• 20:42
  that,
• 20:42
  I
• 20:42
  mean,
• 20:42
  that's
• 20:43
  what
• 20:43
  we've
• 20:43
  been
• 20:43
  taught
• 20:43
  in
• 20:43
  school,
• 20:44
  is
• 20:44
  you
• 20:44
  gotta
• 20:45
  problem
• 20:45
  solve
• 20:45
  it.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:46
  so
• 20:46
  the
• 20:47
  desire
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  solve
• 20:48
  the
• 20:49
  problem
• 20:49
  tends
• 20:50
  to
• 20:51
  focus
• 20:51
  us
• 20:52
  on
• 20:52
  either
• 20:53
  or
• 20:53
  thinking
• 20:53
  and
• 20:53
  problem
• 20:54
  solving
• 20:54
  to
• 20:55
  favoring
• 20:55
  that
• 20:56
  relative
• 20:56
  to
• 20:57
  both
• 20:57
  and
• 20:57
  thinking
• 20:58
  and
• 20:58
  seeing
• 20:58
  how
• 20:58
  we
• 20:59
  might
• 20:59
  leverage
• 20:59
  polarities,
• 21:00
  leverage
• 21:01
  interdependence.
• 21:01
  You
• 21:01
  know,
• 21:01
  there's
• 21:02
  a
• 21:02
  problem
• 21:02
  here,
• 21:02
  let's
• 21:02
  solve
• 21:03
  it.
• 21:03
  So
• 21:04
  if
• 21:04
  we
• 21:04
  favor
• 21:05
  problem
• 21:06
  solving
• 21:07
  to
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  relative
• 21:07
  neglect
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  both
• 21:09
  and
• 21:09
  thinking
• 21:10
  now
• 21:10
  we
• 21:10
  bring
• 21:11
  that
• 21:11
  problem
• 21:11
  solving
• 21:12
  mindset
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  other
• 21:13
  things
• 21:14
  we
• 21:14
  want
• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
  do.
• 21:15
  So
• 21:15
  we
• 21:15
  sort
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  leave.
• 21:16
  You
• 21:16
  know,
• 21:16
  it's
• 21:16
  like
• 21:16
  we,
• 21:17
  we've
• 21:17
  chosen
• 21:17
  in
• 21:18
  that
• 21:18
  polarity,
• 21:18
  we've
• 21:18
  chosen
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  either
• 21:19
  or
• 21:19
  problem
• 21:19
  solving
• 21:20
  pole.
• 21:21
  And
• 21:21
  when
• 21:21
  we
• 21:21
  do
• 21:22
  that,
• 21:22
  and
• 21:22
  we
• 21:22
  bring
• 21:23
  that
• 21:23
  either
• 21:24
  or
• 21:24
  mindset
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  our
• 21:25
  desire
• 21:26
  to
• 21:26
  protect
• 21:27
  our
• 21:27
  loved
• 21:28
  ones,
• 21:28
  our
• 21:28
  family
• 21:29
  or
• 21:29
  our
• 21:29
  country,
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  underlying
• 21:32
  polarity
• 21:33
  that
• 21:33
  is
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  relates
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  protection
• 21:36
  is
• 21:36
  claiming
• 21:37
  power
• 21:37
  and
• 21:37
  sharing
• 21:37
  power.
• 21:39
  If
• 21:39
  we
• 21:39
  assume
• 21:40
  that,
• 21:41
  that
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  only
• 21:41
  way
• 21:41
  to
• 21:42
  protect
• 21:42
  ourselves
• 21:42
  is
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  claim
• 21:43
  power
• 21:45
  so
• 21:45
  that
• 21:45
  we
• 21:45
  can
• 21:45
  protect,
• 21:46
  you
• 21:46
  know,
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  will
• 21:46
  be
• 21:47
  so
• 21:47
  powerful
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  you
• 21:48
  will
• 21:48
  not
• 21:49
  harm
• 21:49
  those
• 21:49
  I
• 21:50
  care
• 21:50
  about,
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  will
• 21:50
  not
• 21:51
  harm
• 21:51
  my
• 21:51
  country,
• 21:51
  or
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  won't
• 21:52
  harm
• 21:52
  my
• 21:52
  family,
• 21:53
  my
• 21:53
  children,
• 21:53
  et
• 21:54
  cetera.
• 21:54
  So
• 21:55
  we
• 21:55
  end
• 21:55
  up
• 21:56
  concentrating
• 21:57
  power
• 21:57
  to
• 21:57
  protect
• 21:58
  ourself
• 21:58
  from
• 21:59
  other
• 21:59
  people
• 21:59
  abusing
• 22:00
  us
• 22:01
  by
• 22:01
  them
• 22:01
  having
• 22:02
  more
• 22:02
  power
• 22:02
  than
• 22:02
  us.
• 22:03
  So
• 22:04
  you
• 22:04
  get
• 22:04
  into
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  overfocus
• 22:06
  on
• 22:06
  claiming
• 22:06
  power
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  the
• 22:07
  neglect
• 22:07
  of
• 22:08
  sharing
• 22:08
  power,
• 22:08
  and
• 22:08
  it
• 22:09
  leads
• 22:09
  to
• 22:09
  an
• 22:09
  abuse
• 22:10
  of
• 22:10
  power
• 22:10
  and
• 22:10
  it
• 22:11
  leads
• 22:11
  to
• 22:11
  spending
• 22:11
  an
• 22:12
  inordinate
• 22:12
  amount
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  our
• 22:13
  budget
• 22:13
  on
• 22:14
  military
• 22:15
  power
• 22:15
  and
• 22:15
  protection.
• 22:16
  And
• 22:17
  so
• 22:17
  now
• 22:17
  you've
• 22:17
  combined
• 22:18
  this
• 22:18
  either
• 22:19
  or
• 22:19
  thinking,
• 22:19
  and
• 22:20
  you've
• 22:20
  got
• 22:20
  the
• 22:21
  claiming
• 22:21
  power
• 22:21
  without
• 22:22
  sharing
• 22:22
  power
• 22:22
  with
• 22:23
  this
• 22:23
  abuse
• 22:23
  of
• 22:23
  power.
• 22:24
  Another
• 22:24
  thing
• 22:25
  besides
• 22:25
  protecting
• 22:25
  is
• 22:26
  we
• 22:26
  want
• 22:26
  to
• 22:27
  provide
• 22:27
  for
• 22:27
  our
• 22:28
  family.
• 22:29
  So
• 22:29
  I
• 22:30
  want
• 22:30
  to
• 22:30
  provide
• 22:30
  for
• 22:30
  my
• 22:31
  kids,
• 22:31
  my
• 22:31
  children,
• 22:31
  I
• 22:32
  want
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  provide
• 22:32
  for
• 22:32
  them.
• 22:33
  I've
• 22:33
  already
• 22:34
  now
• 22:35
  see
• 22:35
  this
• 22:36
  as
• 22:36
  a
• 22:36
  problem
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  solve.
• 22:37
  And
• 22:37
  I
• 22:38
  have
• 22:38
  assumed
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  lot
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  power
• 22:40
  in
• 22:40
  order
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  protect,
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  use
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  power
• 22:42
  to
• 22:42
  also
• 22:42
  provide.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  the
• 22:43
  underlying
• 22:44
  polarity
• 22:45
  here
• 22:45
  in
• 22:45
  wanting
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  provide
• 22:47
  is
• 22:47
  the
• 22:47
  erroneous
• 22:48
  assumption
• 22:48
  that
• 22:49
  I
• 22:49
  can't
• 22:49
  both.
• 22:50
  We
• 22:50
  can't
• 22:51
  as
• 22:51
  a
• 22:51
  society
• 22:51
  both
• 22:52
  have
• 22:52
  abundance
• 22:53
  for
• 22:53
  some
• 22:54
  in
• 22:54
  material
• 22:54
  things
• 22:55
  like
• 22:55
  water,
• 22:55
  food,
• 22:56
  shelter,
• 22:56
  safety,
• 22:57
  education,
• 22:58
  healthcare.
• 22:59
  We
• 22:59
  can't
• 23:00
  have
• 23:00
  both
• 23:01
  abundance
• 23:01
  for
• 23:02
  some
• 23:02
  and
• 23:02
  basics
• 23:03
  for
• 23:03
  all.
• 23:04
  The
• 23:04
  assumption
• 23:05
  is
• 23:05
  if
• 23:05
  we
• 23:05
  try
• 23:05
  to
• 23:06
  give
• 23:06
  basics
• 23:06
  for
• 23:06
  all,
• 23:07
  I'm
• 23:07
  going
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  have
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  give
• 23:07
  up
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  potential
• 23:09
  for
• 23:09
  abundance.
• 23:10
  If
• 23:10
  we
• 23:10
  provide
• 23:10
  basic
• 23:11
  housing
• 23:11
  for
• 23:11
  everyone,
• 23:12
  I'm
• 23:12
  going
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  have
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  give
• 23:13
  up
• 23:13
  one
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  my
• 23:13
  three
• 23:14
  houses.
• 23:15
  The
• 23:15
  assumption
• 23:16
  that
• 23:16
  we
• 23:16
  can't
• 23:16
  have
• 23:16
  both
• 23:17
  undermines
• 23:18
  our
• 23:18
  ability
• 23:19
  as
• 23:19
  a
• 23:20
  group
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  actually
• 23:21
  look
• 23:21
  at
• 23:21
  how
• 23:21
  we
• 23:22
  might
• 23:22
  provide
• 23:22
  basic
• 23:23
  housing
• 23:23
  for
• 23:23
  everybody
• 23:23
  or
• 23:24
  basic
• 23:24
  health
• 23:24
  care
• 23:24
  for
• 23:25
  everybody.
• 23:25
  The
• 23:26
  assumption
• 23:26
  is
• 23:26
  that
• 23:26
  I'm
• 23:27
  going
• 23:27
  to
• 23:27
  lose
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  benefit
• 23:29
  of
• 23:29
  some
• 23:30
  abundance.
• 23:30
  We
• 23:30
  can't
• 23:31
  have,
• 23:31
  you
• 23:31
  know,
• 23:31
  high
• 23:31
  quality
• 23:32
  healthcare
• 23:33
  and
• 23:33
  basic
• 23:33
  healthcare
• 23:34
  for
• 23:34
  everyone.
• 23:34
  So
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  choice,
• 23:35
  notice
• 23:36
  how
• 23:36
  these
• 23:36
  are
• 23:36
  cascading
• 23:37
  and
• 23:37
  combining.
• 23:38
  And
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  final
• 23:39
  dimension
• 23:39
  that
• 23:40
  I
• 23:40
  think
• 23:40
  is
• 23:40
  in
• 23:41
  my
• 23:41
  sort
• 23:42
  of
• 23:42
  stack
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  write
• 23:42
  about
• 23:43
  here
• 23:43
  is
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  desire
• 23:44
  to
• 23:45
  belong.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:47
  when
• 23:47
  I
• 23:48
  want
• 23:48
  to
• 23:48
  belong,
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  way
• 23:50
  that
• 23:50
  we
• 23:50
  belong
• 23:51
  in
• 23:51
  any
• 23:51
  society,
• 23:52
  whether
• 23:52
  it's
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  faith
• 23:53
  community
• 23:53
  or
• 23:53
  a
• 23:54
  state
• 23:54
  community,
• 23:55
  is
• 23:55
  we
• 23:56
  belong
• 23:56
  by
• 23:57
  obeying
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  rules
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  that
• 23:59
  culture,
• 24:00
  that
• 24:00
  society.
• 24:01
  And
• 24:01
  so
• 24:02
  it's
• 24:02
  all
• 24:02
  about
• 24:03
  complying
• 24:03
  with
• 24:04
  the
• 24:04
  rules.
• 24:04
  And
• 24:05
  then
• 24:05
  we
• 24:05
  get
• 24:05
  into
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  justice
• 24:06
  and
• 24:06
  mercy
• 24:06
  polarity
• 24:07
  where
• 24:07
  we
• 24:07
  over
• 24:08
  focus
• 24:08
  on
• 24:08
  justice
• 24:08
  to
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  neglect
• 24:09
  of
• 24:09
  mercy.
• 24:10
  And
• 24:10
  so
• 24:11
  we
• 24:11
  end
• 24:11
  up
• 24:11
  not
• 24:12
  being
• 24:12
  able
• 24:12
  to
• 24:12
  own
• 24:13
  our
• 24:13
  own
• 24:13
  shortcomings.
• 24:14
  Whatever
• 24:15
  the
• 24:15
  rules
• 24:15
  are,
• 24:16
  if
• 24:16
  we
• 24:16
  break
• 24:16
  the
• 24:16
  rules,
• 24:16
  we
• 24:17
  can't
• 24:17
  own
• 24:17
  up
• 24:17
  to
• 24:18
  that.
• 24:18
  And
• 24:18
  if
• 24:18
  we
• 24:19
  can't
• 24:19
  own
• 24:19
  up
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  it
• 24:19
  because
• 24:20
  there's
• 24:20
  no
• 24:20
  mercy,
• 24:21
  if
• 24:21
  we've
• 24:21
  got
• 24:21
  justice
• 24:22
  without
• 24:22
  mercy,
• 24:23
  then
• 24:23
  I
• 24:23
  end
• 24:23
  up
• 24:24
  lying
• 24:24
  and
• 24:25
  projecting
• 24:25
  anything
• 24:26
  I
• 24:26
  can't
• 24:26
  own
• 24:26
  onto
• 24:27
  other
• 24:27
  people.
• 24:27
  And
• 24:28
  I
• 24:28
  find
• 24:28
  a
• 24:29
  group
• 24:29
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• 24:30
  whom
• 24:30
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• 24:30
  project
• 24:31
  what
• 24:31
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• 24:31
  can't
• 24:31
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• 24:32
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• 24:32
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• 24:32
  two
• 24:33
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• 24:33
  for
• 24:34
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• 24:34
  who
• 24:34
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• 24:35
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• 24:35
  project
• 24:36
  on
• 24:37
  is
• 24:37
  they
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
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• 24:38
  be
• 24:38
  available
• 24:39
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• 24:39
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• 24:39
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• 24:39
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• 24:40
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• 24:40
  a
• 24:40
  not
• 24:40
  me
• 24:40
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• 24:41
  not
• 24:41
  us.
• 24:42
  So
• 24:43
  if
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  think
• 24:43
  about
• 24:43
  it,
• 24:44
  if
• 24:44
  you're
• 24:44
  a
• 24:44
  white
• 24:44
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• 24:45
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• 24:45
  a
• 24:45
  lot
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  power,
• 24:46
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• 24:46
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• 24:47
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• 24:47
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• 24:47
  not
• 24:47
  me
• 24:48
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• 24:48
  whom
• 24:49
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• 24:49
  could
• 24:49
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• 24:49
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• 24:49
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• 24:50
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• 24:50
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• 24:51
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• 24:51
  would
• 24:51
  be
• 24:51
  women
• 24:51
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• 24:52
  people
• 24:52
  of
• 24:52
  color.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:54
  so
• 24:54
  racism
• 24:55
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• 24:55
  sexism
• 24:56
  just
• 24:56
  evolves
• 24:57
  right
• 24:57
  out
• 24:57
  of
• 24:58
  that
• 24:58
  stack.
• 25:00
  So
• 25:00
  if
• 25:00
  you
• 25:00
  think
• 25:01
  about
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  original
• 25:01
  thing
• 25:02
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• 25:02
  talking
• 25:02
  about
• 25:03
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• 25:03
  wanting
• 25:03
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• 25:03
  be
• 25:03
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• 25:03
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• 25:04
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• 25:04
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• 25:04
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• 25:05
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• 25:06
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• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  provide
• 25:06
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• 25:07
  wanting
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  belong.
• 25:08
  All
• 25:08
  of
• 25:09
  those
• 25:09
  are
• 25:09
  things
• 25:09
  that
• 25:09
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• 25:10
  absolutely
• 25:10
  not
• 25:11
  evil.
• 25:12
  They
• 25:12
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• 25:12
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• 25:12
  and
• 25:13
  understandable
• 25:14
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• 25:14
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• 25:15
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• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
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• 25:16
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• 25:16
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• 25:16
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• 25:17
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• 25:17
  And
• 25:18
  end
• 25:18
  up
• 25:18
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• 25:19
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• 25:19
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• 25:20
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• 25:20
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• 25:20
  neglect
• 25:20
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• 25:20
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• 25:20
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• 25:21
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• 25:22
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• 25:22
  create
• 25:23
  poverty,
• 25:23
  racism,
• 25:24
  sexism,
• 25:24
  and
• 25:25
  war.
• 25:26
  And
• 25:26
  the
• 25:27
  source
• 25:28
  are
• 25:28
  some
• 25:28
  very
• 25:29
  desirable
• 25:29
  things
• 25:30
  that
• 25:30
  all
• 25:30
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• 25:30
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• 25:30
  would
• 25:30
  claim
• 25:31
  are
• 25:31
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• 25:31
  things.
• 25:32
  Doesn't
• 25:33
  have
• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:34
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• 25:34
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• 25:34
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• 25:34
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• 25:35
  those
• 25:36
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• 25:37
  But
• 25:37
  I
• 25:37
  think
• 25:37
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• 25:37
  have
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  question
• 25:38
  before.
• 25:38
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• 25:38
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:40
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• 25:40
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• 25:40
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• 25:40
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• 25:41
  plenty.
• 25:41
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• 25:42
  ahead.
• 25:42
  So,
• 25:42
  Beena,
• 25:43
  you
• 25:43
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• 25:43
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• 25:44
  about
• 25:44
  the
• 25:45
  metacrisis.
• 25:45
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• 25:45
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• 25:49
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• 25:50
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• 25:51
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• 25:52
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• 25:52
  on
• 25:52
  this,thepodcast,andmy
• 25:55
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• 25:55
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• 25:55
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• 25:55
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• 25:55
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• 25:57
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• 25:57
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• 25:58
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• 25:58
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• 26:03
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• 26:06
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• 26:06
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• 26:07
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• 26:07
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• 26:09
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• 26:10
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• 26:10
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• 26:12
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• 26:13
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• 26:13
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• 26:14
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• 26:14
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• 26:14
  do
• 26:14
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• 26:15
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• 26:17
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• 26:18
  select?
• 26:19
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• 26:19
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• 26:19
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• 26:20
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• 26:20
  to
• 26:20
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• 26:20
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• 26:22
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• 26:22
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• 26:22
  Roger
• 26:23
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• 26:23
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• 26:24
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• 26:24
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• 26:24
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• 26:24
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• 26:24
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• 26:25
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• 26:25
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• 26:25
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• 26:25
  that.
• 26:26
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• 26:26
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• 26:26
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• 26:26
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• 26:27
  committed
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
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• 26:28
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• 26:28
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• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
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• 26:28
  very
• 26:29
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• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  Roger
• 26:30
  and
• 26:30
  our
• 26:30
  team.
• 26:30
  So
• 26:30
  that's
• 26:31
  what
• 26:31
  I
• 26:32
  did,
• 26:32
  you
• 26:32
  know.
• 26:33
  And
• 26:33
  it
• 26:33
  doesn't
• 26:33
  mean
• 26:33
  you
• 26:34
  don't
• 26:34
  care
• 26:34
  about
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  dog
• 26:35
  or
• 26:35
  you
• 26:35
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• 26:35
  care
• 26:35
  about
• 26:35
  the
• 26:36
  democracy
• 26:36
  and
• 26:36
  that
• 26:37
  you
• 26:37
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• 26:37
  up
• 26:37
  with
• 26:37
  some
• 26:38
  action
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  take
• 26:38
  care
• 26:38
  of
• 26:39
  that.
• 26:39
  And
• 26:40
  so
• 26:40
  we
• 26:40
  all
• 26:40
  find
• 26:41
  our
• 26:41
  ways
• 26:42
  to
• 26:42
  integrate,
• 26:42
  as
• 26:43
  long
• 26:43
  as
• 26:43
  you're
• 26:43
  keeping
• 26:44
  that
• 26:44
  in
• 26:44
  mind.
• 26:44
  But
• 26:44
  there
• 26:44
  are
• 26:45
  some
• 26:45
  people
• 26:45
  who
• 26:45
  wouldn't
• 26:45
  even
• 26:46
  have
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  other
• 26:46
  option,
• 26:47
  who
• 26:47
  wouldn't
• 26:48
  even
• 26:48
  think
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  a
• 26:48
  competing
• 26:49
  thing.
• 26:49
  They
• 26:49
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• 26:50
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• 26:50
  pick
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  one
• 26:51
  thing.
• 26:51
  But
• 26:52
  so
• 26:52
  how
• 26:52
  do
• 26:52
  we
• 26:53
  do
• 26:53
  it?
• 26:53
  I
• 26:53
  don't
• 26:53
  know.
• 26:53
  That's
• 26:54
  an
• 26:54
  integrating
• 26:55
  question
• 26:55
  for
• 26:56
  every
• 26:56
  person
• 26:56
  in
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  moment.
• 26:58
  And
• 26:58
  to
• 26:58
  the
• 26:58
  degree
• 26:59
  with
• 26:59
  which
• 26:59
  we
• 27:00
  have
• 27:00
  the
• 27:00
  capability
• 27:01
  and
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  capacity
• 27:02
  to
• 27:02
  see
• 27:03
  these
• 27:03
  tensions,
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  recognize
• 27:04
  that
• 27:05
  they
• 27:05
  need
• 27:05
  to
• 27:05
  be
• 27:05
  harmonized,
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
  then
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  practice
• 27:07
  what
• 27:08
  it
• 27:08
  feels
• 27:08
  like
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  do
• 27:09
  both,
• 27:09
  to
• 27:10
  be
• 27:10
  both,
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  degree
• 27:12
  with
• 27:12
  which
• 27:12
  we've
• 27:12
  built
• 27:13
  that
• 27:13
  muscle,
• 27:13
  then
• 27:14
  right
• 27:14
  action
• 27:14
  will
• 27:15
  flow
• 27:15
  through
• 27:15
  us.
• 27:17
  The
• 27:17
  more
• 27:17
  that
• 27:17
  we
• 27:17
  work
• 27:18
  with
• 27:18
  it,
• 27:18
  this
• 27:18
  process,
• 27:19
  this
• 27:19
  mechanism,
• 27:19
  the
• 27:20
  easier
• 27:20
  it
• 27:20
  comes
• 27:20
  to
• 27:21
  get
• 27:21
  through
• 27:21
  it
• 27:21
  and
• 27:21
  reach
• 27:22
  that
• 27:22
  point
• 27:22
  of
• 27:22
  everything
• 27:23
  belongs.
• 27:23
  And
• 27:23
  how
• 27:23
  do
• 27:23
  we
• 27:24
  sort
• 27:24
  that
• 27:24
  out
• 27:24
  and
• 27:24
  put
• 27:24
  it
• 27:24
  together?
• 27:25
  Yeah,
• 27:26
  it
• 27:26
  will
• 27:26
  become
• 27:27
  an
• 27:27
  unconscious
• 27:28
  competence,
• 27:28
  but
• 27:28
  we
• 27:29
  have
• 27:29
  to
• 27:29
  consciously
• 27:30
  become
• 27:30
  more
• 27:30
  competent,
• 27:31
  which
• 27:31
  is
• 27:31
  why
• 27:31
  I'm
• 27:32
  so
• 27:32
  interested
• 27:33
  in
• 27:33
  teaching
• 27:33
  this.
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  think
• 27:34
  it's
• 27:34
  something
• 27:35
  we
• 27:35
  can
• 27:35
  build,
• 27:35
  we
• 27:36
  can
• 27:36
  all
• 27:36
  learn.
• 27:36
  I'm
• 27:36
  way
• 27:37
  better
• 27:38
  at
• 27:38
  working
• 27:38
  with
• 27:39
  polarities
• 27:39
  today
• 27:39
  than
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  was
• 27:40
  10
• 27:40
  years
• 27:40
  ago.
• 27:41
  And
• 27:42
  to
• 27:42
  that
• 27:42
  extent,
• 27:43
  I
• 27:43
  might
• 27:43
  be
• 27:44
  more
• 27:44
  masterful
• 27:44
  in
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  world.
• 27:47
  So
• 27:47
  that's
• 27:48
  a
• 27:48
  very
• 27:48
  hopeful
• 27:49
  note
• 27:49
  that
• 27:49
  to
• 27:50
  some
• 27:50
  extent
• 27:50
  at
• 27:51
  least,
• 27:51
  this
• 27:52
  is
• 27:52
  a.
• 27:52
  In
• 27:52
  addition
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  being
• 27:53
  a
• 27:53
  developmental
• 27:54
  process
• 27:55
  is
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  skill
• 27:56
  that
• 27:56
  we
• 27:57
  can
• 27:57
  learn.
• 27:57
  And
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  coin
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  phrase,
• 27:59
  there's
• 27:59
  both
• 28:00
  and
• 28:01
  there's
• 28:01
  a
• 28:02
  develop.
• 28:02
  Both
• 28:03
  development
• 28:04
  and
• 28:05
  information
• 28:06
  are
• 28:06
  important
• 28:07
  here.
• 28:07
  And
• 28:07
  Barry,
• 28:08
  you've
• 28:08
  done
• 28:09
  just
• 28:09
  a
• 28:09
  beautiful
• 28:10
  job
• 28:10
  in
• 28:10
  giving
• 28:11
  us
• 28:11
  some
• 28:11
  information,
• 28:12
  ideas,
• 28:13
  inspiration
• 28:13
  about
• 28:14
  this
• 28:14
  whole
• 28:14
  theme
• 28:15
  of
• 28:15
  polarities.
• 28:16
  And
• 28:16
  I
• 28:16
  think
• 28:17
  we
• 28:17
  all
• 28:17
  thank
• 28:17
  you
• 28:18
  very
• 28:18
  much
• 28:18
  for
• 28:18
  your
• 28:19
  lifetime's
• 28:19
  work
• 28:20
  here.
• 28:21
  Enormous
• 28:22
  contribution.
• 28:23
  And
• 28:23
  Beena,
• 28:24
  we
• 28:25
  thank
• 28:25
  you
• 28:25
  for
• 28:25
  your
• 28:26
  pioneering
• 28:27
  work
• 28:27
  in
• 28:27
  mapping
• 28:28
  out
• 28:28
  stages
• 28:29
  of
• 28:29
  adult
• 28:29
  development.
• 28:30
  This
• 28:30
  is
• 28:31
  to
• 28:31
  my
• 28:31
  mind,
• 28:31
  as
• 28:32
  I've
• 28:32
  said
• 28:32
  a
• 28:32
  number
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  times,
• 28:33
  one
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  most
• 28:33
  exciting
• 28:34
  areas
• 28:34
  of
• 28:34
  contemporary
• 28:35
  psychology.
• 28:36
  So
• 28:37
  having
• 28:37
  you
• 28:37
  both
• 28:38
  together
• 28:38
  and
• 28:39
  illuminating
• 28:40
  both
• 28:41
  aspects
• 28:43
  of
• 28:43
  our
• 28:43
  ways
• 28:43
  of
• 28:44
  thinking
• 28:44
  is
• 28:44
  just,
• 28:44
  I
• 28:45
  think
• 28:45
  this
• 28:45
  is
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  priceless
• 28:46
  gift.
• 28:46
  So
• 28:47
  deep
• 28:48
  gratitude
• 28:48
  to
• 28:48
  you
• 28:49
  both
• 28:49
  and
• 28:50
  been
• 28:50
  a
• 28:50
  light.
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  just
• 28:52
  have
• 28:52
  one
• 28:52
  thing
• 28:52
  I
• 28:52
  want
• 28:53
  to
• 28:53
  say
• 28:53
  as
• 28:53
  a
• 28:54
  part
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  ending,
• 28:54
  and
• 28:54
  that
• 28:55
  is
• 28:55
  Beena's
• 28:56
  point
• 28:56
  about
• 28:57
  learning
• 28:57
  over
• 28:57
  time.
• 28:58
  It's
• 28:58
  also
• 28:59
  true
• 29:00
  that
• 29:00
  we
• 29:01
  need
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  be
• 29:02
  loving
• 29:02
  and
• 29:02
  forgiving
• 29:03
  of
• 29:03
  ourselves
• 29:04
  when
• 29:04
  we
• 29:05
  discover
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  we
• 29:06
  have.
• 29:08
  My
• 29:08
  wife,
• 29:09
  Dana,
• 29:09
  reminds
• 29:09
  me
• 29:10
  on
• 29:10
  a
• 29:10
  regular
• 29:10
  basis
• 29:11
  of
• 29:11
  my
• 29:11
  inability
• 29:11
  to
• 29:12
  effectively
• 29:13
  leverage
• 29:13
  the
• 29:13
  polarity
• 29:14
  of
• 29:14
  work
• 29:15
  and
• 29:15
  home.
• 29:16
  And
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  get
• 29:16
  so
• 29:16
  enthralled
• 29:17
  with
• 29:17
  wanting
• 29:18
  to
• 29:18
  be
• 29:18
  on
• 29:18
  podcasts
• 29:19
  like
• 29:19
  this
• 29:19
  that
• 29:20
  I.
• 29:20
  I
• 29:20
  do
• 29:20
  not
• 29:21
  take
• 29:21
  adequate
• 29:22
  time
• 29:22
  for
• 29:23
  myself
• 29:23
  to
• 29:24
  just
• 29:24
  be
• 29:24
  and
• 29:25
  be
• 29:25
  with
• 29:25
  Dana
• 29:25
  and
• 29:26
  with
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  family.
• 29:27
  And
• 29:28
  so
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  tension
• 29:29
  is
• 29:29
  always
• 29:29
  there,
• 29:30
  you
• 29:31
  know,
• 29:31
  within
• 29:31
  any
• 29:32
  polarity.
• 29:32
  And
• 29:33
  sometimes
• 29:33
  we
• 29:33
  just
• 29:34
  find
• 29:34
  ourselves
• 29:35
  having
• 29:35
  indulged
• 29:36
  one
• 29:36
  poll
• 29:37
  more
• 29:37
  than
• 29:37
  we
• 29:37
  would
• 29:38
  have
• 29:38
  upon
• 29:38
  reflection,
• 29:39
  that
• 29:39
  we
• 29:39
  have
• 29:40
  really
• 29:40
  not
• 29:40
  done
• 29:41
  a
• 29:41
  very
• 29:41
  good
• 29:41
  job
• 29:41
  of
• 29:42
  leveraging
• 29:42
  some
• 29:42
  key
• 29:42
  polarities
• 29:43
  and
• 29:44
  to
• 29:44
  just
• 29:44
  let
• 29:44
  ourselves,
• 29:45
  let
• 29:46
  that
• 29:46
  be
• 29:46
  a
• 29:46
  part
• 29:46
  of
• 29:46
  our
• 29:47
  reality,
• 29:47
  you
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:48
  and
• 29:49
  so
• 29:49
  a
• 29:49
  little
• 29:50
  bit
• 29:50
  of
• 29:50
  forgiveness
• 29:50
  for
• 29:51
  ourselves
• 29:51
  and
• 29:51
  others
• 29:51
  can
• 29:52
  help
• 29:52
  in
• 29:53
  these
• 29:53
  times,
• 29:54
  in
• 29:55
  all
• 29:55
  times.
• 29:55
  Yes,
• 29:56
  indeed
• 29:56
  so.
• 29:57
  And
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  just
• 29:57
  want
• 29:57
  to
• 29:58
  once
• 29:58
  again
• 29:58
  mention
• 29:59
  your
• 29:59
  books,
• 30:00
  Polarity
• 30:00
  Management
• 30:01
  and
• 30:01
  your
• 30:02
  more
• 30:02
  recent
• 30:02
  one
• 30:03
  titled
• 30:03
  and
• 30:04
  Making
• 30:04
  a
• 30:05
  Difference
• 30:05
  by
• 30:05
  Leveraging
• 30:06
  Polarity,
• 30:06
  Paradox
• 30:07
  or
• 30:07
  Dilemma.
• 30:08
  So
• 30:08
  thank
• 30:09
  you
• 30:09
  very
• 30:09
  much
• 30:09
  and
• 30:09
  Beena,
• 30:10
  thank
• 30:10
  you.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:11
  Beena's
• 30:11
  work
• 30:12
  is
• 30:12
  available
• 30:12
  through
• 30:13
  veda,
• 30:13
  the
• 30:14
  Vertical
• 30:14
  Development
• 30:15
  Academy,
• 30:15
  wonderful
• 30:16
  webinars,
• 30:17
  seminars
• 30:18
  and
• 30:18
  ways
• 30:19
  of
• 30:19
  measuring
• 30:19
  our
• 30:20
  own
• 30:20
  development.
• 30:21
  So
• 30:22
  thank
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  both.
• 30:22
  It's
• 30:23
  been
• 30:23
  an
• 30:23
  extraordinary,
• 30:24
  rich
• 30:24
  dialogue
• 30:25
  and
• 30:25
  thank
• 30:26
  you
• 30:26
  both
• 30:26
  for
• 30:27
  your
• 30:27
  contributions.
• 30:28
  Thank
• 30:29
  you
• 30:29
  both
• 30:29
  for
• 30:30
  inviting.
• 30:30
  Thanks
• 30:30
  for
• 30:31
  having
• 30:31
  us.
• 30:31
  Yeah,
• 30:32
  appreciate
• 30:32
  it.
• 30:33
  Thank
• 30:33
  you
• 30:34
  very
• 30:34
  much
• 30:34
  for
• 30:34
  being
• 30:35
  a
• 30:35
  part
• 30:35
  of
• 30:35
  this
• 30:35
  conversation.
• 30:36
  We
• 30:36
  hope
• 30:37
  that
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  were
• 30:37
  moved,
• 30:38
  as
• 30:38
  we
• 30:38
  are
• 30:38
  moved,
• 30:39
  being
• 30:39
  part
• 30:39
  of
• 30:39
  it
• 30:40
  ourselves.
• 30:40
  We'd
• 30:41
  also
• 30:41
  like
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  say
• 30:42
  that
• 30:42
  this
• 30:42
  is
• 30:42
  being
• 30:43
  funded
• 30:43
  by
• 30:43
  Roger
• 30:44
  and
• 30:44
  myself.
• 30:44
  It
• 30:44
  comes
• 30:45
  out
• 30:45
  of
• 30:45
  our
• 30:45
  pockets.
• 30:45
  So
• 30:46
  if
• 30:46
  you
• 30:46
  would
• 30:46
  like
• 30:46
  to
• 30:46
  help
• 30:47
  us
• 30:47
  to
• 30:48
  mainly
• 30:48
  to
• 30:48
  get
• 30:49
  this
• 30:49
  podcast
• 30:49
  out
• 30:49
  to
• 30:50
  more
• 30:50
  people,
• 30:50
  because
• 30:50
  the
• 30:51
  bigger
• 30:51
  audience
• 30:51
  have,
• 30:51
  which
• 30:52
  is
• 30:52
  steadily
• 30:52
  growing,
• 30:52
  but
• 30:53
  the
• 30:53
  more
• 30:53
  people
• 30:53
  we
• 30:54
  can
• 30:54
  reach
• 30:54
  and
• 30:54
  the
• 30:54
  more
• 30:54
  marketing
• 30:55
  we
• 30:55
  can
• 30:55
  do,
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  more
• 30:56
  positive
• 30:57
  effect
• 30:57
  we
• 30:57
  can
• 30:57
  have
• 30:57
  on
• 30:57
  the
• 30:58
  world.
• 30:58
  So
• 30:58
  we've
• 30:59
  done
• 30:59
  a
• 30:59
  couple
• 30:59
  of
• 30:59
  ways.
• 30:59
  But
• 31:00
  we'd
• 31:00
  like
• 31:00
  you
• 31:00
  to
• 31:00
  buy
• 31:01
  us
• 31:01
  a
• 31:01
  cup
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  coffee.
• 31:02
  Very
• 31:02
  simple.
• 31:02
  And
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  do
• 31:03
  that
• 31:03
  with
• 31:03
  podcasts
• 31:04
  that
• 31:04
  I
• 31:05
  support,
• 31:05
  and
• 31:06
  I
• 31:06
  find
• 31:06
  it's
• 31:06
  very
• 31:07
  satisfying.
• 31:07
  So
• 31:08
  thank
• 31:08
  you
• 31:08
  for
• 31:08
  your
• 31:08
  help,
• 31:09
  thank
• 31:09
  you
• 31:09
  for
• 31:09
  your
• 31:09
  presence,
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  thank
• 31:10
  you
• 31:10
  for
• 31:11
  all
• 31:11
  you
• 31:11
  are
• 31:11
  and
• 31:12
  all
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  do.
• 31:12
  We
• 31:12
  love
• 31:13
  you.
• 31:27
  Sam.