Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Gabby Petito Boyfriend Brian Laundrie on the Run! FBI Swarms home.

Transcript

Gabby Petito Boyfriend Brian Laundrie on the Run! FBI Swarms home. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

0:06
Speaker 1: Yesterday, thousands shaken as we discover the body of twenty
0:13
Speaker 1: two year old Gabby Petito is found. While authorities are
0:19
Speaker 1: not positively identifying it, they're coming out and saying it's her.
0:24
Speaker 1: The autopsy set to go down tomorrow Tuesday at the
0:28
Speaker 1: Teatime County Coroner's Office. But right now breaking news the
0:34
Speaker 1: search for boyfriend Brian Laundry and the Carlton Reserve swamp
0:39
Speaker 1: and forest twenty five thousand acres of it has been
0:42
Speaker 1: called off. The search for Brian Laundry has been called
0:54
Speaker 1: off at the Carlton Reserve and right now as we
0:58
Speaker 1: go to air, the ads are at the home of
1:01
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. The parents have been taken out and put
1:04
Speaker 1: in a vehicle in the driveway and the fans are
1:09
Speaker 1: searching the home. The police are declaring it a quote
1:13
Speaker 1: crime scene as the FBI enters Brian Laundry's Florida home.
1:18
Speaker 1: It's all happening right now. This is what happened in
1:23
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours. Take a listen to our
1:26
Speaker 1: friends at the FBI as you are aware. FBI personnel
1:31
Speaker 1: in coordination with our partners at National Park Service, the
1:34
Speaker 1: Forest Service, Teton County Sheriff's Office and Jackson Police Department
1:39
Speaker 1: have been conducted on an investigative activity in the vicinity
1:42
Speaker 1: of the Spread Creek Dispersed camping area. Earlier today, human
1:48
Speaker 1: remains were discovered consistent with the description of Gabrielle Gabby Petito.
1:55
Speaker 1: Full forensic and invitation has not been completed to confirm
1:59
Speaker 1: one that we found Gaddy, but her family has been
2:03
Speaker 1: notified of this discovery. The cause of death has not
2:06
Speaker 1: been determined at this time. You were just hearing our
2:09
Speaker 1: friends at the FBI. Let me bring in an all
2:11
Speaker 1: star panel. Dill Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out
2:15
Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. Former FBI doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining
2:20
Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Angela Arnold, MD dot com,
2:24
Speaker 1: Founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute. Cheryl McCullum, Death Investigator,
2:29
Speaker 1: forensics Professor, Jacksonville State Joseph Scott Morgan special guests joining
2:34
Speaker 1: us from ks LTV out in Utah. Garna, Mahea Garna,
2:40
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. And John
2:43
Speaker 1: Ellwood search and Rescue technician, instructor, survivalist expert. I'm gonna
2:50
Speaker 1: go straight out to Cheryl McCollum. Cheryl McCollum, right now,
2:54
Speaker 1: the FBI loudly announced search warrant twice before moving Chris
2:59
Speaker 1: and berta laundry from their home in Northport, Florida. It's
3:04
Speaker 1: happening right now. They've taken the two of them out
3:08
Speaker 1: and have them sitting in a vehicle attempted window vehicle.
3:13
Speaker 1: What's happening, Cheryl McCallum. They are in that house looking
3:17
Speaker 1: for any evidence associated with Gabby, what occurred to Gabby
3:23
Speaker 1: in the Mohave desert, and what they can possibly connect
3:26
Speaker 1: Brian too, because obviously it's in that home. I think
3:30
Speaker 1: that's taken on a whole another sense of urgency to
3:33
Speaker 1: Garna Mahea joining us KSLTV because Garna, as soon as
3:40
Speaker 1: her body was found, and depending on the conditions under
3:43
Speaker 1: which it was found, this has gone from a potential
3:46
Speaker 1: missing person's case to a potential homicide case. I'm telling you, Garna,
3:51
Speaker 1: if she was buried Sana Shela grave, he did it, Bam,
3:58
Speaker 1: I said it. That's what I would law toally conclude.
4:01
Speaker 1: What do you know, Garna, As you're saying there's a
4:03
Speaker 1: lot coming at its at once, we now know you
4:05
Speaker 1: know the FBI is there at the laundry home and
4:08
Speaker 1: they're saying that they're they're in connection to Gabby, not
4:11
Speaker 1: in connection to their search for Brian. And so I
4:14
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be gathered from the evidence
4:18
Speaker 1: that they gathered yesterday around the area where they found
4:21
Speaker 1: Gabby's body. Our chopper was actually flying over that area
4:25
Speaker 1: as we spotted all of this activity, going from a
4:30
Speaker 1: very large search area where they had multiple teams to
4:33
Speaker 1: really just starting to focus in and zero in on
4:36
Speaker 1: one place. We had those images with us at noon yesterday.
4:40
Speaker 1: Knew what was happening, and we're waiting for that confirmation.
4:44
Speaker 1: We're waiting to allow authorities to reach out to family members.
4:49
Speaker 1: There's just a lot there that I think they were
4:51
Speaker 1: able to gather to be able to get into that
4:53
Speaker 1: home today and do that search. One Garna, I got
4:56
Speaker 1: a question for you. You said, yeah, chopper's everhead. Yes,
5:00
Speaker 1: there any time that they spotted remains, you know, clothes
5:06
Speaker 1: but she would have been wearing. Did the searchers immediately
5:12
Speaker 1: put up a tent and what do you believe was
5:16
Speaker 1: under the tent? What I'm getting at Garna Mahea Kiss
5:19
Speaker 1: LTV is was she buried, Natty, that's a great question.
5:25
Speaker 1: From what we were able to gather, she would not.
5:29
Speaker 1: Of course, we were not there at the moment that
5:32
Speaker 1: they had discovered the body. We were there what we
5:35
Speaker 1: believe was shortly asked her, hold on just one mom
5:38
Speaker 1: at Garna, Mahea, I'm getting news in right now that
5:41
Speaker 1: the parents have been arrested. Those are reports, have got
5:45
Speaker 1: to confirm them. But I'm telling you that is a
5:49
Speaker 1: that's the current wire right now straight out to Dela
5:53
Speaker 1: Carson and high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville
5:57
Speaker 1: and former FBI deal Carson. That's what you don't want
6:02
Speaker 1: to see as you look out your indoor window and
6:05
Speaker 1: there are three big FBI guys and they come in
6:09
Speaker 1: yelling search warrant, search warrant, and they pour into your
6:12
Speaker 1: home and then put you out in a car. The
6:15
Speaker 1: fact that they're you're not only a former FBI, you're
6:18
Speaker 1: also a high profile defense lawyer. The fact that they
6:21
Speaker 1: put them in a car that is considered a detainment
6:26
Speaker 1: under the law. It's like you going into the back
6:28
Speaker 1: of a police car. You're under arrest. You're detained. Arrest
6:32
Speaker 1: under the law starts at the moment of detention when
6:35
Speaker 1: you're not free to go. So when I heard they're
6:37
Speaker 1: in the backseat of a car, that would lead me
6:40
Speaker 1: to believe they're under arrest. And now we're hearing they
6:42
Speaker 1: have been arrested. What's happening, Dell Carson. Well, we get
6:46
Speaker 1: the technology that's involved in all of this. They've probably
6:49
Speaker 1: been listening to the phones or the text messages of
6:52
Speaker 1: these individuals for a number of days, and they've developed
6:55
Speaker 1: an amount of information that would indicate that they were
6:58
Speaker 1: involved directly or indirecting in the case. So of course
7:02
Speaker 1: now they're arrested, and they'll search their phones and all
7:06
Speaker 1: of their computers, and I'm sure they're looking for other
7:09
Speaker 1: items that were removed from the actual Crown scene in Wyoming,
7:14
Speaker 1: brought back in the truck and secreted in the house.
7:17
Speaker 1: Oh good thinking. Can I just throw something at you,
7:21
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, ma'am you've been on a lot of
7:23
Speaker 1: crime scenes, you me, Cheryl? How do I know he
7:28
Speaker 1: was ever even there after September one? Think about it.
7:33
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let the sister talk to him, they wouldn't
7:36
Speaker 1: let the cops talk to him. Nobody has seen him,
7:39
Speaker 1: And how in the Hay does he leave when the
7:43
Speaker 1: house has a ring of press around it, there's somebody
7:46
Speaker 1: even scoping out in their backyard? How does he get
7:48
Speaker 1: out and drive to the Carlton Reserve to go on
7:52
Speaker 1: a hike? Are you kidding me? I don't understand why
7:55
Speaker 1: the police were not sitting on the house constantly. I mean,
7:58
Speaker 1: the press was out there, you know, in Northport itself,
8:01
Speaker 1: and I know it's it's it's not a huge jurisdiction,
8:04
Speaker 1: all right, they don't have they don't have the resources
8:06
Speaker 1: to do this, But the reality is this, this is
8:09
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest things to happen there and sometime,
8:12
Speaker 1: how can you not have eyes in that scene? So
8:14
Speaker 1: that leads us to this other point, where has he
8:18
Speaker 1: been for this protracted period of time? And one of
8:21
Speaker 1: the things that really bothers me about this, Nancy, is
8:23
Speaker 1: how did the parents know to go to that specific
8:26
Speaker 1: location to retrieve his Mustang and bring it back? And
8:30
Speaker 1: oh when they go to talk to him, hey, by
8:32
Speaker 1: the way, when he's seen him, says Tuesday. So how
8:34
Speaker 1: does all of this stuff mesh together? Those are the
8:37
Speaker 1: big questions. And I can guarantee you this when they
8:39
Speaker 1: drag them into headquarters and they begin to talk to them,
8:42
Speaker 1: those questions shall be asked. We'll just see if they'll answer. Well,
8:45
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, I just said it earlier.
8:47
Speaker 1: They'll have to pull their fingernails off, and they still
8:51
Speaker 1: are not going to say where Brian Laundry is Clime
9:02
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, I just don't
9:07
Speaker 1: see anyway that the story is true that Brian Laundry
9:11
Speaker 1: leaves on Tuesday to go for a hike and the
9:13
Speaker 1: press weren't five inches up his tailpipe of his car.
9:17
Speaker 1: That didn't agree. I don't believe it, but okay, jump in,
9:20
Speaker 1: I agree. But let's talk about mama. You're telling me
9:23
Speaker 1: you've already got a daughter in law. If he's your
9:25
Speaker 1: daughter in law missing now, your son does not come
9:28
Speaker 1: back home Tuesday night, you don't call nobody, You don't
9:32
Speaker 1: ask for no help. Wednesday morning, nothing, Wednesday night, nothing,
9:36
Speaker 1: same thing. Thursday. You don't call a soul, you don't
9:39
Speaker 1: call a priest, you don't call the police, you don't
9:41
Speaker 1: call friends, you don't call family, You don't want no help.
9:45
Speaker 1: You do not tell anybody that your son is now
9:49
Speaker 1: missing until Friday night and you suddenly, oh, here's you know,
9:55
Speaker 1: he's missing. Y'all need to go help look for him,
9:58
Speaker 1: and you give them jone five thousand acre swamp land
10:03
Speaker 1: and go a very badific area. Right. The whole story
10:07
Speaker 1: of him going over there in the car and then
10:11
Speaker 1: the cops leaving a note like one of those little
10:13
Speaker 1: yellow notes. You got to move your car, the cops
10:15
Speaker 1: leaving a note on it, they go back, they still
10:18
Speaker 1: don't move it, and then they go back and get
10:21
Speaker 1: it and bring it home. How is he supposed to
10:22
Speaker 1: get home? Fly right? It's completely bogus. Not only do
10:25
Speaker 1: you take his own transportation away, you again, do not
10:29
Speaker 1: tell anybody wait a minute, something's wrong. He should have
10:32
Speaker 1: been home Tuesday night. We hadn't seen him. She doesn't
10:35
Speaker 1: do that at all. There's no alarm, there's no concern
10:38
Speaker 1: for her whatsoever. Guaranteed he's got her, you know, prepaid
10:42
Speaker 1: cell phone. They've been in contact. The FBI knows it.
10:46
Speaker 1: The only way they could pull this off, as with
10:48
Speaker 1: burner phones. Who's jumping in If they do this, you know,
10:51
Speaker 1: it's almost as if they plan to send all of
10:54
Speaker 1: law enforcefront to a specific area in a while, getting
10:56
Speaker 1: chase valuable time looking for him when he's going the
11:02
Speaker 1: other direction. He's had a four day at least head
11:05
Speaker 1: start on this red hairry longer. I mean, doctor Angie Arnold.
11:09
Speaker 1: Of course we know there is no parent son, mother's son,
11:12
Speaker 1: father's son privilege. But I think they'll have to burn
11:17
Speaker 1: them at the stake before they ever tell where their
11:20
Speaker 1: son is or what he told them when he got
11:24
Speaker 1: home from Wyoming. I don't think they're ever going to tell.
11:27
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. You know it's a mother's love
11:31
Speaker 1: for a son. I mean, who can calculate that? And
11:34
Speaker 1: what's a mother woman to do in order to protect
11:37
Speaker 1: her son? Well, you're right, Angie, Nancy, I think that
11:42
Speaker 1: this is this goes way beyond the mother's love for
11:46
Speaker 1: a son. Something has been brewing in this house. Why
11:51
Speaker 1: why why was he her fiance and then she was
11:55
Speaker 1: just then he was just the boyfriend. I'm telling you, Nancy,
11:59
Speaker 1: We're going to find out so much stuff. They're going
12:02
Speaker 1: to dig up so much stuff about what was going
12:04
Speaker 1: on inside of that home. This is a lot more
12:06
Speaker 1: than a mother's love. This man is a sociopath and
12:11
Speaker 1: what that means is he has no conscience. It does
12:15
Speaker 1: not mean that he doesn't know the difference between right
12:18
Speaker 1: and wrong. What it does mean is when he does
12:22
Speaker 1: act on his bad behavior, he doesn't have any feelings
12:25
Speaker 1: about it like you and I do. Okay, So he
12:28
Speaker 1: is a sociopath all day long. And I think what
12:32
Speaker 1: the whole world needs to start doing is we cannot
12:35
Speaker 1: believe anything that these people say. I'm gonna go to
12:39
Speaker 1: John Ellwood, search and Rescue technician, instructor and evaluator, National
12:43
Speaker 1: Association Search and Rescue, and firmer, Sara Sota County Search
12:47
Speaker 1: and Rescue, which is so important, Sara Sota County. I mean,
12:52
Speaker 1: I guess you've been in those mangrove tunnels, because when
12:55
Speaker 1: you kayak through those things, it's like you're literally in
12:58
Speaker 1: a tunnel, a small tunnel of dark trees. You've got
13:03
Speaker 1: to be a seasoned nature enthusiasts to get through the
13:07
Speaker 1: sericide of mangrives. I know that much. But the I mean,
13:11
Speaker 1: did it ever strike you odd, John Elwood that he
13:14
Speaker 1: goes out to the Carlton Reserve, which is thereby the
13:16
Speaker 1: Mayacache's a huge other area. Did that ever strike you
13:21
Speaker 1: odd that he went in and never came out? Yes, Nancy,
13:25
Speaker 1: if he if Brian was allegedly an avid hiker of
13:28
Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve, then he would know this time of
13:31
Speaker 1: the year in Florida's the rainy season and over nine
13:35
Speaker 1: of that twenty five thousand acres is under water. The
13:42
Speaker 1: conditions and the wildlife. As you know, certain wildlife thrives
13:47
Speaker 1: in water, and a fair majority of it doesn't like it.
13:49
Speaker 1: So when you talk about all the predator animals, including
13:53
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and water moccasins are going to migrate out of
13:57
Speaker 1: that water to dry area, you would not want to
14:00
Speaker 1: be walking around in that land mass. Absolutely not in
14:05
Speaker 1: john Ellwood. Here's the other thing. If if the parents
14:11
Speaker 1: sent the cops out to that snake infested and there
14:15
Speaker 1: are gators area and the son, brian laundry was never there.
14:22
Speaker 1: Can you believe that they would send the cops out
14:24
Speaker 1: there to search day after day for their son, knowing
14:28
Speaker 1: full well he's not there in those conditions, taking K
14:31
Speaker 1: nine dogs out there, a lot of the cops thought
14:34
Speaker 1: he might have killed, may have killed himself, and they're
14:36
Speaker 1: out there trying to save his life. Is it true
14:39
Speaker 1: that the parents the whole time we're getting a big
14:41
Speaker 1: laugh knowing the cops were out there risking their own
14:44
Speaker 1: life and their son wasn't there. Well, several of your
14:50
Speaker 1: members of your panel that you've convened today have brought
14:53
Speaker 1: up a lot of the reasons for this, possibly being misdirections,
14:59
Speaker 1: as you all have stated. The thing that as a rescuer,
15:03
Speaker 1: as a first responder, as you had mentioned, I had
15:07
Speaker 1: done thirty five years with the Sarasta County Fire Department,
15:10
Speaker 1: so I've been very well experienced in that parcel of
15:13
Speaker 1: the land, especially for wildfire, that you would not as
15:18
Speaker 1: a first responder, take kindly to being thrust into that
15:23
Speaker 1: environment on a fool's errand because any time that you
15:27
Speaker 1: go out to perform a mission, there is always the
15:30
Speaker 1: chance of you becoming injured or even worse, possibly losing
15:35
Speaker 1: your life. And just imagining the two of them, Cheryl
15:38
Speaker 1: McCollum sitting at the kitchen table like we all do
15:41
Speaker 1: all the time, and talking and talking and talking about
15:45
Speaker 1: how the cops are out there looking for laundry and
15:47
Speaker 1: he's not really there, and I'm telling you I've been there.
15:51
Speaker 1: It is. It's like a jungle out of a movie
15:55
Speaker 1: when you're in those mangroves and it's as you're hearing
15:59
Speaker 1: John Ellen would say it's already swamp. But then ninety
16:02
Speaker 1: percent of the twenty five thousand acres are under water,
16:06
Speaker 1: and you're gonna send cops out there. So tell me
16:08
Speaker 1: about this note that was reportedly left on the car.
16:12
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I believe the parents about.
16:15
Speaker 1: I think that the car was left there and gave
16:17
Speaker 1: the appearance that laundry was in the Carlton Reserve. The
16:21
Speaker 1: cops saw it and left a note, move your car.
16:24
Speaker 1: What do you make of what's happening? Cheryl McCollum. These
16:27
Speaker 1: two reportedly are under arrest. Nancy if the car was
16:31
Speaker 1: dropped off there for him to be able to get
16:34
Speaker 1: in the car and come back home, and he didn't
16:37
Speaker 1: get back to the car and he left it there overnight.
16:39
Speaker 1: Law enforce wool will sometimes leave a notification on the
16:42
Speaker 1: car that says, hey, this has to be removed or
16:44
Speaker 1: we're going to tow it. Apparently they ran the tag
16:48
Speaker 1: and they called the family and said come get the car.
16:50
Speaker 1: When they got there, they see this note, so they
16:53
Speaker 1: allegedly drive the car back home. Number one. I don't
16:56
Speaker 1: know that the note isn't bogus. I don't know that
16:59
Speaker 1: this whole thing was not a red herring, because again,
17:01
Speaker 1: they leave the car there, law enforcement doesn't do anything.
17:05
Speaker 1: So now the family has to say, hey, there was
17:08
Speaker 1: a note there, the car was left, We've moved it.
17:10
Speaker 1: They have to contact law enforcement about the car and
17:13
Speaker 1: then report him missing. So they do all of these
17:17
Speaker 1: things prior, and so they have to wait these four
17:21
Speaker 1: days when law enforcement is still not looking for him
17:24
Speaker 1: in that reserve. I mean, Cheryl d thank you, was
17:26
Speaker 1: ever there after September one? No, ma'am, I do know.
17:30
Speaker 1: That's why the sister couldn't see him, That's why cops
17:32
Speaker 1: didn't see him. And nature press had been camped out
17:35
Speaker 1: on the front yard. It looked was home at all.
17:39
Speaker 1: What who's that Joe Scott jump in one of the
17:41
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking about, kind of dovetailing what
17:44
Speaker 1: Mac was saying. I worked a lot of cases where
17:46
Speaker 1: we've had people that have been alleged to have been
17:49
Speaker 1: involved in a homicide and they become suicidal. Families reach
17:53
Speaker 1: out to us. They you know, they reach out to
17:55
Speaker 1: the police and of course the corner as well. And
17:58
Speaker 1: one of the things that they do is family shows
17:59
Speaker 1: up their hair on fire. My son is depressed. We
18:03
Speaker 1: know that this kid's not on medication, and he should be.
18:06
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that is not
18:08
Speaker 1: happening here is an urgency on the part of the
18:10
Speaker 1: parents if they believe that he could do self harm
18:13
Speaker 1: in any shape, form or fashion. Man, that is a
18:16
Speaker 1: really good point Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh good,
18:30
Speaker 1: I'm hearing Garna'm here in my ear she is joining
18:33
Speaker 1: us KSLTV joining us from there. This all got kicked
18:39
Speaker 1: off after Gabby's body was found. What was found? I mean,
18:44
Speaker 1: if it didn't looked like she fell down a ravine,
18:47
Speaker 1: it looked like a natural cause of death, I think
18:52
Speaker 1: the jury would have been out. But something about the
18:54
Speaker 1: discovery of her body changed everything. Garna, I mean, yeah,
18:58
Speaker 1: that's really when we saw all of this activity change
19:01
Speaker 1: and kick up in Florida. Can I can only speak
19:05
Speaker 1: to what we've really seen here in Wyoming, you know,
19:07
Speaker 1: And and that was the moments that they got out
19:10
Speaker 1: the tent and walked across this creek it you know,
19:15
Speaker 1: not very deep, it maybe goes up to your calves,
19:18
Speaker 1: and went over to the site that started setting up.
19:22
Speaker 1: And then we started seeing them point the camera and
19:24
Speaker 1: start shooting pictures for their investigation about twenty yards away,
19:29
Speaker 1: and that is where we saw what we believed to
19:31
Speaker 1: be Gabby Potito's body. It was in a grove of
19:35
Speaker 1: trees and it was not buried, in a grove of
19:39
Speaker 1: trees and not buried and you can see that from
19:45
Speaker 1: the aerial tread footage. Yes, that is what we believe
19:50
Speaker 1: we saw, Garna. Do you mind telling me that one
19:54
Speaker 1: more time everything that you just said. Yeah, So we
19:56
Speaker 1: saw our chopper was flying. It was about eleven thirty five,
20:01
Speaker 1: between eleven thirty five and noon yesterday, and we started
20:04
Speaker 1: to see you know, we've seen this search areas. It's
20:07
Speaker 1: really big, and you see pockets of search teams in
20:10
Speaker 1: different parts of that area. We know where Gabby's van
20:14
Speaker 1: was last part in that Spread Creek camping area, and
20:18
Speaker 1: so we started to see all of a sudden, all
20:21
Speaker 1: of these search and rescue teams just kind of starting
20:23
Speaker 1: to walk back to their staging area, to their command post.
20:28
Speaker 1: And then we saw a smaller group of people and
20:31
Speaker 1: they were kind of crossing the waters near the area
20:34
Speaker 1: where the van was last part, but they had a
20:36
Speaker 1: cross to the north side of the stream. The van
20:39
Speaker 1: was We believe it was last parked on the south
20:42
Speaker 1: side of the streams, and we started to see them
20:45
Speaker 1: make their way. We saw some of them on horseback
20:48
Speaker 1: crossing the waters. We saw them start to open up
20:51
Speaker 1: this canopy, this tent, and we see val the law
20:55
Speaker 1: in these types of scenes when they're wanting to preserve
20:58
Speaker 1: the scene and they're making their way over to start
21:01
Speaker 1: that process of documenting and photographs that discovery, and so
21:07
Speaker 1: that is what we saw them do, open up this canopy,
21:10
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we see one of
21:12
Speaker 1: the investigative the forensic photographers start pointing the camera in
21:17
Speaker 1: a different direction, and so we followed that. We followed
21:21
Speaker 1: the smaller group walking and very very cautiously approaching this area.
21:26
Speaker 1: And that is where we believe that what we saw,
21:30
Speaker 1: what our images captured were was a body was likely
21:34
Speaker 1: Gabby Potato's body, not buried, not buried. She closed. You know,
21:40
Speaker 1: I really can't speak to that part. I think there's
21:43
Speaker 1: the sense of wanting to respect the family's grieving process.
21:47
Speaker 1: But what we can say is that it was, you know,
21:51
Speaker 1: in the direction of a grove of trees. It was
21:55
Speaker 1: very near those trees, under those trees, and that is
22:01
Speaker 1: the area that became the focus for them. And then
22:04
Speaker 1: let me understand to see them kind of move that
22:06
Speaker 1: canopy in that direction, and what is my guest, you know,
22:10
Speaker 1: start that process of documenting that scene. Okay, straight back
22:15
Speaker 1: out to Cheryl McCullum. We were talking about what's happening
22:19
Speaker 1: right now at this moment, and that is that the parents,
22:23
Speaker 1: Chris and ROBERTA. Laundry, have been arrested and there are
22:28
Speaker 1: now about fifteen FBI agents in the home. They're in
22:33
Speaker 1: the home searching this development one day after the body
22:36
Speaker 1: of Diabby Petito has been found. There's a huge contingent
22:41
Speaker 1: of law enforcement at the home. Hey, you know what, Cheryl,
22:44
Speaker 1: let me throw this at you two. Everybody's screaming about
22:46
Speaker 1: the cops. Wow, how'd you let them slip through your fingers?
22:48
Speaker 1: And they're right, I mean, you have to admit. Why
22:51
Speaker 1: wasn't he questioned? But wait a minute, did they ever
22:55
Speaker 1: even see him that slip through their fingers? Or was
23:00
Speaker 1: he ever there? Remember he got there September one. The
23:04
Speaker 1: parents Gabby's parents didn't know she was missing till September eleven.
23:07
Speaker 1: Sometime during that ten days did he leave? Has anybody
23:13
Speaker 1: even seen him. Why are they in the home right now?
23:16
Speaker 1: What's happening, Cheryl McCallum. What we know is the van
23:19
Speaker 1: was there. We don't know if he was ever there.
23:23
Speaker 1: And here's the deal. The FBI has had time to
23:27
Speaker 1: see the text messages, the calls, the emails, whatever contact
23:32
Speaker 1: between Brun and his parents, which has clearly resulted in
23:37
Speaker 1: the parents being arrested. So it appears they have been
23:40
Speaker 1: helping him and obstructing this case to some degree. Again,
23:46
Speaker 1: his cell phone, her cell phone, the social media post
23:52
Speaker 1: when things stopped, and the bogus text messages that he
23:55
Speaker 1: sent that I believe is bogus. All of that is
23:58
Speaker 1: going to come into play. But I'm telling you they
24:01
Speaker 1: know how he has been assisted by his parents. But
24:04
Speaker 1: if they got burner phones, Cheryl McCollum, if they had to,
24:08
Speaker 1: because you do know that one of the first things
24:11
Speaker 1: that would be under a warrant or subpoena would be
24:14
Speaker 1: the iCloud, the iPhones themselves, text messages, email accounts. But Stacy,
24:19
Speaker 1: in order for that to happen, there was communication before that.
24:23
Speaker 1: Hey go here by this phone, call me here, use
24:26
Speaker 1: this debit card. There's going to be some type of
24:30
Speaker 1: unrelessed Dale Carson. They were super smart and said, don't
24:36
Speaker 1: text me, come home, come home bright right now, and
24:41
Speaker 1: only talk in person. There's no communication then, and that's
24:45
Speaker 1: not likely. Today is fiquitous, and we use them all
24:49
Speaker 1: the time without even thinking. And we text messages which
24:53
Speaker 1: don't even require that they'd be listened to and transcribed.
24:58
Speaker 1: So the police have directed that just what's been going
25:01
Speaker 1: on there for some period of time. And in the
25:03
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams case in Atlanta back in the eighties, we
25:07
Speaker 1: followed Wayne Williams twenty four to seven when he was
25:10
Speaker 1: a suspect and we never let him out of our
25:13
Speaker 1: site until we got the warrant for his arrest. Okay,
25:16
Speaker 1: I hear Joe Scott trying to get in Joe Scott
25:18
Speaker 1: Morgan death investigator jump in, O Hey, yeah. One of
25:21
Speaker 1: the things I wanted to point out relative to I've
25:23
Speaker 1: had a lot of people trying to contact me relative
25:26
Speaker 1: to they're asking the question, why aren't they doing the
25:28
Speaker 1: autopsy today? We aren't they doing the autopsy today? You
25:31
Speaker 1: have to understand something in this isolated location where they are,
25:35
Speaker 1: this is not something that they do on a daily basis.
25:38
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what's going on right now. They're
25:41
Speaker 1: marshaling every resource that they have. They're going to bring
25:44
Speaker 1: in and these people will probably be present at the autopsy.
25:47
Speaker 1: They're going to be there's gonna be a forensic dentist,
25:49
Speaker 1: an ontologist more than likely, given how long she's got down.
25:53
Speaker 1: Oh whoa what, a forensic dentist, he said, an odentologist. Odentologist. Yeah,
25:57
Speaker 1: And there's also going to be a physical anthem apologist,
26:00
Speaker 1: a forensic anthropologists present there because I suspect that her
26:04
Speaker 1: remains are at least partially skeletonized. In addition to that,
26:07
Speaker 1: there's going to be any number of evidence gathering individuals,
26:12
Speaker 1: specifically relative to trace. They're going to be looking for
26:15
Speaker 1: anything anything that's on that clothing. Also, they're going to
26:18
Speaker 1: be doing nail scrapings, nail clippings. They're gonna go over
26:22
Speaker 1: her where the fine tooth come. Don't and don't underestimate
26:25
Speaker 1: the fact that they will probably use things like alternative lighting,
26:29
Speaker 1: infrared lighting, that sort of thing to look for any
26:31
Speaker 1: kind of stray marks that they can have on her.
26:34
Speaker 1: They might even superglue the body to try to lift
26:37
Speaker 1: any kind of prints there are on her. Well, one
26:40
Speaker 1: of the things that you want to think about. Think
26:41
Speaker 1: about if she has been asphyxiated by strangulation, if if
26:46
Speaker 1: there are any prints in tax still on her skin,
26:49
Speaker 1: those can actually be lifted as a result of fuming
26:52
Speaker 1: with superglue, you can find that. Also, they're going to wait, yep,
26:57
Speaker 1: explain how you do it? Well, the glue itself is
27:02
Speaker 1: placed into a little dish, It is moderately heated, and
27:06
Speaker 1: as the glue vaporizes, it actually comes back down and
27:10
Speaker 1: falls on the body. It adheres to the fatty lipids
27:13
Speaker 1: that are left behind by fingerprints, and you can't get
27:16
Speaker 1: rid of the fingerprint at that time. You're not gonna
27:18
Speaker 1: lose it like you would even through dusting. So that's
27:21
Speaker 1: one of the things that they're going to be doing.
27:23
Speaker 1: And I would suspect that they're going to have the
27:25
Speaker 1: best forensic pathologist in the state of Wyoming. They might
27:28
Speaker 1: even bring another consulting forensic pathologist. And trust me, Nancy,
27:32
Speaker 1: they're not going to want to miss anything relative to
27:35
Speaker 1: this case. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, the body
27:51
Speaker 1: what we believe to be what we know to be
27:53
Speaker 1: Gabby Potito has been found. Take a listen to our
27:56
Speaker 1: cut one h three our friends at the FBI around
28:00
Speaker 1: Spread Creek Camp Sac will remain closed to the public
28:02
Speaker 1: until further notice. This is an active and ongoing investigation,
28:06
Speaker 1: so we asked everyone maintained distance from law enforcement personnel
28:10
Speaker 1: and equipment, vehicles, and related activity for their own safety
28:15
Speaker 1: as well as to protect the integrity of our work
28:17
Speaker 1: and respect privacy for Gaddy's family. We appreciate the tremendous
28:23
Speaker 1: support from the public. The support from the public's response
28:27
Speaker 1: to request of tips has been remarkable. We continue to
28:30
Speaker 1: seek information from anyone who utilized the Spread Creek dispersed
28:34
Speaker 1: camping area between the days of August twenty seventh and
28:36
Speaker 1: August thirtieth, anyone that may have had contact with Gaddy
28:41
Speaker 1: or her boyfriend, or who may have seen their vehicle
28:43
Speaker 1: in that area. Guys, at this hour, the Paris of
28:48
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry have just been taken out of their home
28:51
Speaker 1: in Florida Northport, Florida and arrested. They're about fifty eight
28:55
Speaker 1: fans inside the home searching it right now. Straight out
28:58
Speaker 1: to Dale Carson, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville. Former
29:02
Speaker 1: FBI Asian arrested for what obstruction of justice, obstruction of judge. Okay,
29:10
Speaker 1: name what you can think of, miss prison of felony,
29:12
Speaker 1: you found unlawful fights like to avoid prosecution. They could
29:17
Speaker 1: be chargeous principles and co conspirators if it turns out
29:21
Speaker 1: that they've been assisting and lying the law enforcement, assisting
29:25
Speaker 1: their son by lying the law enforcement. Well what about this?
29:29
Speaker 1: What about this, Sheryl McCollum, when you lie about the
29:32
Speaker 1: location of a body, sure anything that you've done to
29:35
Speaker 1: obstruct this investigation? And again by him leaving her there,
29:41
Speaker 1: driving several states back home to Florida, refusing to speak
29:46
Speaker 1: to her family, refusing to help in any way. The parents,
29:50
Speaker 1: if they have determined, which it looks like they have,
29:53
Speaker 1: that they have directly assisted him in any way with
29:58
Speaker 1: getting away with a crime, going to be on the
30:00
Speaker 1: hook for that, and clearly they've got enough probable calls
30:03
Speaker 1: to get in that house. Now the BI confirms the
30:06
Speaker 1: body of Gabbie Petito was found on Sunday, and now
30:09
Speaker 1: the parents of Brian Laundry have been arrested, put into
30:12
Speaker 1: a vehicle and taken away. We also know the search
30:15
Speaker 1: at Carlton Reserve has been called off. Okay to John Ellwood,
30:22
Speaker 1: survivalist if he were to go on the run. You're
30:25
Speaker 1: familiar with this area, Carlton Reserve. I would be looking
30:29
Speaker 1: at every waterway. Did a family friend have a boat
30:33
Speaker 1: if he was too afraid to take a plane? Although
30:38
Speaker 1: their reports he took a plane home and back in
30:40
Speaker 1: the middle of the road trip. How would he escape
30:46
Speaker 1: not with a family car, so how would he get
30:49
Speaker 1: out of town? Well, that's probably one of the great
30:52
Speaker 1: mysteries of the world, Nancy. But one of the things
30:55
Speaker 1: that you would start with is you would have to
30:57
Speaker 1: have which some people refer to as a go back
31:00
Speaker 1: in which you would have some type of essentials to you,
31:04
Speaker 1: whether you have medications, so on and so forth, passport,
31:09
Speaker 1: credit cards and so on. You have that some people
31:12
Speaker 1: use a backpack, some type of duffel bag that you
31:14
Speaker 1: would grab that and have everything essential that you would
31:16
Speaker 1: need to is what you also refer to in the
31:19
Speaker 1: military as escape and evade. If you want to go
31:21
Speaker 1: back to the actual search being performed at the Carlton Reserve.
31:25
Speaker 1: Probably one of the reasons why they call that off
31:28
Speaker 1: as if you noticed earlier the other day where they
31:32
Speaker 1: removed articles of Brian's clothing from the home that in
31:36
Speaker 1: the search industry refer to as a scent article in
31:39
Speaker 1: which you introduced that to the dogs that you had
31:42
Speaker 1: talked about earlier to have Brian sent for the search dog.
31:48
Speaker 1: So as they were probably searching the Carlton reserve, the
31:51
Speaker 1: dogs displayed to the handler what's called a quote unquote negative,
31:55
Speaker 1: meaning the dog looks back at the handler and says, hey,
31:59
Speaker 1: I'm not smelling this person, what do you want me
32:02
Speaker 1: to do? And probably because they searched several areas on
32:06
Speaker 1: the Carlton property and the canines displayed the negative, that
32:10
Speaker 1: probably got funneled in through their incident management system to
32:14
Speaker 1: the incident commander, and then they decided to confer along
32:18
Speaker 1: with all the other physical or electronic evidence that they collected,
32:21
Speaker 1: and then came to the deduction that he is not
32:24
Speaker 1: at that location. I'm just wondering if they had the
32:27
Speaker 1: dogs searched around where the car was parked, because they
32:31
Speaker 1: should have been able to pick up a scent going
32:33
Speaker 1: from the car into the reserve. If they picked up
32:36
Speaker 1: nothing there, I think what you're saying is exactly correct,
32:40
Speaker 1: John Elwood. So Sheryl McCollum, the search warrant has been
32:43
Speaker 1: affected by the FBI and the parents bundled away into
32:48
Speaker 1: a car. According to sources, quote hauled in. You were
32:53
Speaker 1: jumping in about what I was jumping in. Just remind
32:56
Speaker 1: people that when he was on the side of the
32:58
Speaker 1: road on August twelfth, talkaw enforcement, the first thing he
33:01
Speaker 1: asked is can I get my backpack? When his mama
33:04
Speaker 1: said he went for a hike, she said he took
33:07
Speaker 1: his backpack. So I was just jumping in to say
33:10
Speaker 1: that was pretty clear that he's got to go back.
33:14
Speaker 1: This also reminds me a lot of Eric Robert Rudolf Nancy,
33:17
Speaker 1: where you've got somebody that has absconded that not only
33:20
Speaker 1: knows this area better than most of the searches, they're
33:23
Speaker 1: more than capable of staying out there without bottled water
33:27
Speaker 1: Sunday and loan bug spray or even shoes. We are
33:31
Speaker 1: now hearing the update that they were quote hauled in,
33:37
Speaker 1: but Dell Carson, once you take somebody in involuntarily, that
33:43
Speaker 1: is under the law unarrest. Absolutely, they're under arrest now
33:48
Speaker 1: and they will be advised of their rights. And clearly
33:51
Speaker 1: there's some electronic information going about which indicates to their involvement.
33:57
Speaker 1: And that's why when law enforcement showed up. There are
34:00
Speaker 1: battering rams in their hands because they were looking for
34:03
Speaker 1: an adverse reaction from that family, which means that they're
34:07
Speaker 1: harboring information that the government needs in order to prove
34:11
Speaker 1: this case to accord beyond a reasonable doubt. So now
34:14
Speaker 1: the story's changing. They're saying the parents there's nothing. It's
34:18
Speaker 1: now saying they were arrested. They're now saying they were
34:21
Speaker 1: quote hauled away for questioning. Yes, yes, you're right, Nancy.
34:26
Speaker 1: We're receiving information that the family has now been allowed
34:29
Speaker 1: to re enter their home. They exited the police vehicle
34:32
Speaker 1: just a few moments ago. Now it's very important that
34:35
Speaker 1: we point out that no member of the family has
34:38
Speaker 1: been arrested. They were simply detained in the police vehicle.
34:42
Speaker 1: They are now back in their home there in Northport. Again,
34:46
Speaker 1: no arrest of any member of Brian Laundry's family. The
34:50
Speaker 1: Feds simply wanted to be able to search the home freely,
34:54
Speaker 1: and they did remove a number of bags of evidence. Guys,
34:58
Speaker 1: how is he on the run? How is he doing
35:01
Speaker 1: It's if he is on the run, he's got to
35:04
Speaker 1: have a burner phone. I guarantee he's not going to
35:07
Speaker 1: write the parents on their regular emails or text him
35:10
Speaker 1: on the regular phones. How is he doing it or
35:14
Speaker 1: is he being funded? Which way did he go? Who
35:17
Speaker 1: has an idea? Jump Uba? It's not very far and
35:21
Speaker 1: it's all by water. That was my first thought was
35:24
Speaker 1: Cuba because it's not far at all. What about it?
35:27
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, I'd have to agree with Dale. It
35:29
Speaker 1: seems as though that that's the most viable solution, since
35:32
Speaker 1: Americans can come and go out of Cuba. I think
35:34
Speaker 1: the question is is how did he get there? Do
35:38
Speaker 1: they have the ability, do they have contact with somebody
35:40
Speaker 1: that has a vessel that size that could get him there?
35:43
Speaker 1: Or did he just hop a plane and fly down there?
35:45
Speaker 1: Does somebody have a private plane? And of course all
35:47
Speaker 1: of this is going to have well the planes will
35:49
Speaker 1: at least will have some kind of registry information. If
35:52
Speaker 1: he went down by a boat, all bets are off
35:55
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, because when you get on get
35:57
Speaker 1: on even a private plane, they asked for your ID
35:59
Speaker 1: unless he a fake idea or use their brothers idea.
36:01
Speaker 1: Remember Scott Peterson was trying to use a brother's ID.
36:04
Speaker 1: If he used somebody else's idea that he could fudge,
36:08
Speaker 1: then maybe a private plan with there would be a
36:10
Speaker 1: record and manifest of that. I say by water, I
36:13
Speaker 1: mean Cheryl McCollum. When we were on a Disney cruise
36:16
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, we looked off and somebody said, that's Cuba.
36:18
Speaker 1: It's really close. Absolutely, Nancy. They have had twenty three
36:24
Speaker 1: days to get story straight, to get supplies, to get money,
36:29
Speaker 1: to get a plan together. I'm telling you, Eric, Robert Rudolph,
36:34
Speaker 1: he's not in another country. I don't think he's in
36:38
Speaker 1: another state. I think he's well hidden in a place
36:41
Speaker 1: that he knows better than anybody else. We wait as
36:45
Speaker 1: justice and false Nancy Grace Crumb's story, signing off good
36:49
Speaker 1: Bye friend,