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Daniel Davis Deep Dive · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Fifty five KARC the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Ay twenty nine to fifty five krsite Talk station. Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: means it is time for the alliterative podcast, Daniel Davis
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  Speaker 2: Deep Dive. I'll encourage my listeners to check that out
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  Speaker 2: wherever they get their podcasts and always tune in at
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  Speaker 2: this time and Tuesdays on the fifty five KARSE Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis Deep Dive boy,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got a lot to talk about today. Good
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  Speaker 2: to see you again. I get to see it.
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  Speaker 1: Good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. Well, the whole world was on full
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  Speaker 2: display yesterday. I had representatives from I think every country
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  Speaker 2: or every continent rather except Australia showing up for the
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  Speaker 2: Well the initial signing of what looks like, dare I
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  Speaker 2: even say the words out loud, peace in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: at least between Israel and Hamas. What an amazing development
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  Speaker 2: your reaction on this. The stars clearly aligned for a
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  Speaker 2: variety of different reasons which allowed this to come together.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the idea that you've got what I
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  Speaker 2: will characterize as the world the leaders from the world
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  Speaker 2: on one side, and you've got Hamas obviously isolated from
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  Speaker 2: a global perception they were backed into a corner.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they were in your right that there were many,
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  Speaker 1: many reasons why this came together. I would say at
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  Speaker 1: the outset that I would not go as far as
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  Speaker 1: to say peace. I would say that the end of
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  Speaker 1: the hostilities have happened and there is a shot at peace.
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  Speaker 1: But even within the terms that are set out here,
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  Speaker 1: there is a two phased operation. Phase one was basically
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  Speaker 1: a ceasefire and a return of the hostages from both sides,
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  Speaker 1: which has taken place. But Phase two hasn't even been
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  Speaker 1: negotiated yet. There's still a lot of problems to go
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  Speaker 1: with that. So I don't want to get too optimistic,
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  Speaker 1: but I am incredibly grateful and happy that the cessation
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  Speaker 1: of hostilities has happened, because I've always said, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to get the killing of the innocent people stopped first
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  Speaker 1: to even have a shot at an enduring peace. And
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be really hard. But listen, we got
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  Speaker 1: to give props to a President Trump because he put it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just that Hamas was isolated, they've been oscillated.
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  Speaker 1: It's also that President Trump was willing to put pressure
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  Speaker 1: in both directions, on Hamas and on the Israeli side,
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  Speaker 1: because this you'd certainly know, there's many on the Israeli
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  Speaker 1: side that did not want a ceasefire. They only wanted
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  Speaker 1: a military victory. So everybody had to give a little
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  Speaker 1: something to get here, and President Trump put the pressure
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  Speaker 1: wherever it needed, and then he got the support from
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  Speaker 1: all those countries across the world, like you mentioned, So
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  Speaker 1: he gets full props for that and our great hope
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  Speaker 1: that this does translate into an enduring peace.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one is more hesitant to declare peace
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East than me, Sir. I've been down
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  Speaker 2: this before, the road before, only to be met with disappointment.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, as I've repeatedly said on the show, here,
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  Speaker 2: devil's in the details. One of those devils though, talk about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting the players to negotiate getting the border
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  Speaker 2: with Egypt open to allow the back and forth flow
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  Speaker 2: of humanity and humanitarian relief, and that was a big
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  Speaker 2: step as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. And then in fact this I think
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  Speaker 1: that they're getting nearly all the old and all the
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  Speaker 1: entrances opened up so that you can get up to
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  Speaker 1: four hundred trucks per day for now ramping up to
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  Speaker 1: six hundred, that's the plan. Anyway, we'll see if that happens,
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  Speaker 1: but that is a massive increase over what it has been.
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  Speaker 1: And also there were only four feeding spots for the
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  Speaker 1: entire Gosze strip. Almost all of the three of the
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  Speaker 1: four were in the far south. Now then they're going
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  Speaker 1: to spread that back out. See I guess the initial
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  Speaker 1: withdrawal line, the so called yellow line perhaps you heard
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  Speaker 1: about that was that will still leave Israel in control
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  Speaker 1: of about fifty eight percent of the strip. So in
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  Speaker 1: that remaining forty two percent, now more vehicles with food
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  Speaker 1: is going in to start alleviating and ending the suffering
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  Speaker 1: that was going on with the food shortages. So that's
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  Speaker 1: another good a good start on there. But like I say,
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  Speaker 1: there's still a lot of challenges to face even in
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  Speaker 1: the near term.
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  Speaker 2: Now and you're better, you're obviously more knowledgeable and skilled
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  Speaker 2: at understanding what's going on. But within Hamas, they apparently
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  Speaker 2: are fighting amongst themselves inside Gaza. What I perceive is
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  Speaker 2: something along the lines of the movie The Life of
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  Speaker 2: Brian from Monty Python. You get the Judean People's Front,
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  Speaker 2: you get the People's Front of Judea. You got the
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  Speaker 2: campaign for Free Galilee, and they're all splitter organizations, all
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  Speaker 2: of them collectively hate the Romans, and this Pea case,
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  Speaker 2: all of them collectively hate the Israelis. But they don't
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  Speaker 2: sound like they're as coordinated as I think I was
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  Speaker 2: led to believe, or maybe the world was led to
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  Speaker 2: believe under one hamas tight umbrella. That's why, at least
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  Speaker 2: I understand. This is where you are to correct me
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  Speaker 2: when I'm wrong. Why they can't identify or locate some
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  Speaker 2: of these dead hostages. They don't quite know where they
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  Speaker 2: are because they're being held by various splitter organizations or
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  Speaker 2: am I wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'll address both of those issues. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: with the issue with the hostage part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the main problem with identifying the deceased hostages
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  Speaker 1: is that many of them were buried or I guess
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  Speaker 1: just laid in some of the areas where subsequent Israeli
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  Speaker 1: airstrikes level the buildings and the whole thing got buried.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't even know where they are or can't
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  Speaker 1: reach them, and so that's going to take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time. And you've seen all those pictures of the
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  Speaker 1: whole Gaza strip basically being rubbled. So it's understandable that
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be incredibly difficult as far as that goes.
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  Speaker 1: But the second issue there, I think there's some analysis
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  Speaker 1: that there have been significant firefights between Palestinians and Hamas
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  Speaker 1: of late, because listen, many times I think on your show,
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  Speaker 1: I've had issue with the Israeli government of well things
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  Speaker 1: they do. They're the ones that are dropping bombs, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: But man, you can't go much farther without saying that
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  Speaker 1: Hamas has been the absolute most catastrophic thing to happen
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  Speaker 1: to the Palestinian people since this thing began, because whatever
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  Speaker 1: they thought they were going to accomplish on ten seven
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  Speaker 1: two twenty twenty three, the end result has been mass
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  Speaker 1: destruction of the entire place and the suffering of the
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian people. They're tired of that, they're tired of the
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  Speaker 1: as you said, they're tired of the Israeli side who's
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  Speaker 1: been putting the bombs, but they're as tired and maybe
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  Speaker 1: more so on the guys that kept this going. So
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  Speaker 1: they want them to get out. They want them to
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  Speaker 1: leave and give them a chance to actually have some
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  Speaker 1: sort of deal going forward where they can have a
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  Speaker 1: chance and a hope for a future. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that if Hamas doesn't make good on its promises to leave,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, they may find more trouble with the Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: than with the IDF.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what I'll say, local conflict like within Gaza
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  Speaker 2: and among the leadership of the Maas or lack thereof.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that sort of the general concept that the Middle
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  Speaker 2: East is now sort of embracing, beginning with the abraham
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  Speaker 2: peace of courts. If we all just agree that we're
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  Speaker 2: tired of terrorists, we're tired of fighting each other. If
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  Speaker 2: we just start trading and playing nice together, regardless of
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  Speaker 2: our differences, we're all going to benefit economically. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a powerhouse area of the world. Just put
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  Speaker 2: the damn guns down. So it's kind of a miniature
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  Speaker 2: version of the broader challenge in the Middle East, which
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  Speaker 2: seems that we are definitely making progress toward resolution these
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  Speaker 2: conflicts between the various Arab countries.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, the Gulf Corporation Council has been for more
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  Speaker 1: than a year emphatically saying a lot of those things.
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  Speaker 1: They say, we want to have improved relations with Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Of course President Trump, it's his signature thing, so he
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  Speaker 1: would love the Abraham Accords to expand. Israel has recently
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  Speaker 1: said that they want ned Yahu specifically, they want normalized
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  Speaker 1: relations with the rest of the Middle East. So that
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  Speaker 1: is on the table that all the main parties have
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  Speaker 1: an interest in doing that, but that's going to require
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  Speaker 1: some giving, especially on the Israeli side, because, like I said, internally,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them want to have a military victor
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  Speaker 1: here and then they want to get this other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But if it doesn't it results in the Palestinian people
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  Speaker 1: having some kind of future and a hope, and whether
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  Speaker 1: that's a distant possibility for a state of their own
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  Speaker 1: or some kind of autonomous freedom where they can thrive
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  Speaker 1: as a people, at least the hope of it. Then
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the GCC probably is not going to
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  Speaker 1: be willing to do that. But if they can get there,
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  Speaker 1: then I think we actually have a broader shot. There
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  Speaker 1: is a possibility, there's a path to potential piece, but
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take a lot a lot of hard work,
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  Speaker 1: but it is there. So that is good news.
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  Speaker 2: Step in the right direction and connection with the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take any step in the right direction. Daniel Davis
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  Speaker 2: really quickly. You mentioned Hamas. Obviously they've been the disrupting factor.
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  Speaker 2: They ruled that area, they were the governing force. Who
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  Speaker 2: steps in If we assume Hamas is out, what coalition
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  Speaker 2: or what group of acceptable people is going to step
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  Speaker 2: in to provide the leadership for this region.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what's going to have to That's part of
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  Speaker 1: the fly in the ointment the difficulties because Israel has
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  Speaker 1: said they have to approve whoever goes in, but the
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  Speaker 1: Palestinians say, we want to choose who is going to
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  Speaker 1: lead us, not have it given by the you know,
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  Speaker 1: our enemy that over the last two years, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: There is a guy named more Marwan Bukhari who is
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  Speaker 1: long respected among all the different Palestinian factions and they
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  Speaker 1: want him, but for some reason, Israel has not released
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  Speaker 1: him yet, even though they asked him in this prisoner
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  Speaker 1: exchange that just happened. We'll see how that works out.
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  Speaker 1: But the Palestinians, minus Hamas, they want to decide that
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  Speaker 1: on their own, and that's one of the next near
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  Speaker 1: term challenges.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly, I can understand their one two the right to
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  Speaker 2: self determination, pivoting over as we must Russia Ukraine. I
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  Speaker 2: read this horrific statistic, and you and I have talked
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  Speaker 2: about the fog of war. How many people are actually
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  Speaker 2: dying and being killed in the Russian Ukraine conflict. Politico
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  Speaker 2: article Russia bleeds troops from microscopic frontline gains initial sentence.
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  Speaker 2: Russia lost two hundred and eighty one five hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty soldiers in Ukraine in the first eight months of
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you, I don't believe that for a second.
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  Speaker 2: And well, I was gonna say, even if it's half
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  Speaker 2: of that, we lost what fifty four thousand Americans fighting
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  Speaker 2: the Vietnam War for more than a decade, fifteen plus years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if this number is even half of that,
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  Speaker 2: the amount of of life loss is just amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think it is even half that. And
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  Speaker 1: you've seen the Institute for the Study of War, which
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  Speaker 1: is big time pro Ukraine, revealed over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of months, especially that Russia has significantly changed its tactics
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  Speaker 1: to where they have focused on firepower to destroy the
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine armed forces and minimized the exposure to their troops
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  Speaker 1: and they are succeeding at that. And I have recently
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  Speaker 1: talked to two separate people in the US military hierarchy,
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  Speaker 1: i'll just say, with access to classified information, and they
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  Speaker 1: have not revealed the exact information, but they said that
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  Speaker 1: that is wildly out of proportion. That that's what people
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  Speaker 1: want people to believe in the West so that they
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  Speaker 1: keep supporting to think they're succeeding. But they said it
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  Speaker 1: is not true. Russia is not suffering anywhere near those
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  Speaker 1: kind of casualties, and you see that on the front
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  Speaker 1: because they continue to go forward as opposed to the
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine side, which is suffering those casualties. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: it's so hard for them to bring all these reserves
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  Speaker 1: and even shore up the line, and they're making significant
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  Speaker 1: losses in the Koupiansk and in the other areas of
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  Speaker 1: the Donetic Front that have really started to pick up
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  Speaker 1: speed here of late. So it's not I think some
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  Speaker 1: people want that to sound like it's good news for
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  Speaker 1: the Ukraine side, but it's more bad news as far
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  Speaker 1: as I can see, and even more reason why we
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  Speaker 1: need to get this war wrapped up even.
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  Speaker 2: More well, your comments are reflective of exactly why I
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  Speaker 2: brought this up because I read the statistic this morning
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  Speaker 2: with a huge measure of skepticism because where do they
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  Speaker 2: pull these figures from. I don't know, but the volume
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  Speaker 2: of casualties just seemed unimaginable. Any chance that peace might
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  Speaker 2: break out, given that we've got some steps in the
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  Speaker 2: right direction between Israel and Hamas, that it might catch
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  Speaker 2: on between Russia and Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Well, President Trump wants that and he would love to
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  Speaker 1: have it. The Russians, obviously they would like to have
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  Speaker 1: it too, on their terms. The problem is, and I
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  Speaker 1: just got to be honest, the problem is that the
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine side and the European side don't. They only want
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  Speaker 1: peace on their terms, and their pressure hard to get them.
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  Speaker 1: That's why Zelenski will be in town on Friday to
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  Speaker 1: talk to President Trump to try and really get him
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  Speaker 1: to release Tomahawk missiles, which Trump said he would consider doing.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't, and I don't think that he
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  Speaker 1: really is, because that would only exacerbate and raise higher
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of a clash with Russia, which they said.
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  Speaker 1: This is different because the Tomahawk missile can contain a
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  Speaker 1: nuclear warhead, winner the others can't, so it's a bigger
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  Speaker 1: red line. I don't want to find out if they
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  Speaker 1: mean that or not, so I'm all for getting this
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  Speaker 1: deal wrapped up quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Amen to that, Daniel Davis. And Plus you also pointed
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  Speaker 2: out in our previous conversations, if we give him Tomahawks,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to require American military personnel to operate them,
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  Speaker 2: which means we're in a fighting war with Russia and
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  Speaker 2: nobody wants that. Daniel Davis, Deep Dive. Always a distinct
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  Speaker 2: pleasure to have you on the fifty five cars Morning
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  Speaker 2: Shore every Tuesday. God bless you, sir. I'll look forward
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  Speaker 2: to next Tuesday, another discussion.
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  Speaker 1: See you next week.
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  Speaker 2: Take care of my friend. It's eight forty one right now,
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