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175 | ACL Graft Types - Why You Might Not Have a Choice For Surgery · The ACL Athlete Podcast

• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome everyone to the ACL Athlete Podcast.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: This is the podcast where we talk about everything related to the ACL, whether that's the injury itself, the rehab process, return to sport, and more.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Dr.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Ravi Patel, performance physical therapist and coach.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Between myself and fellow guests and experts, you'll learn through the lens of the patient, the healthcare professional, and the coach.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: The goal of this podcast is to equip you, the athlete, with the education to make the best informed decision about your care and your ACL journey.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's dive into today's episode.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: What is up, team, and welcome back to another episode on the ACL Athlete Podcast.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Today we are diving into this topic: ACL graft types, why you might not have a choice for surgery.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: Before we dive into this episode, I want to provide a very quick overview if you're new to the world of ACLs and graph types.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: So an ACL graft is essentially the new ligament, or really it's a tendon when it goes into the knee, but it is what's going to become your new ACL ligament.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it goes in as a tendon and it is harvested either from yourself, which is an autograph, or it is an allograph, which is from a cadaver.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so the cadaver itself can be uh a variety of options, including the big three, which is the patellar tendon, the quad tendon, or the hamstring tendon.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: That is usually your three choices for autograft and for allograft, it can be those three from a cadaver or it could be an Achilles tendon.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen some other options out there, but usually because of the research and especially with the consistency of the thickness of the graft that we want, usually it's pulling from those different areas in terms of becoming your new ACL graft.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: So now that we have those basics out of the way, the thing is, is when you have your ACL injury and you are a candidate for ACL reconstructive surgery, which is where most people go and the direction that they're going in, then you are going to be thinking about the graph that you're going to get, right?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I have had the opportunity to consult with over hundreds of ACLers over the years here locally in Atlanta, as well as all over the world, Europe, Australia, Asia, South America, Africa, countries I didn't know even existed, literally all over y'all.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the way that it's handled is very different from the healthcare systems to the medical training and on.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of factors that play into this whole process.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: And what I want to do today is share something that I've noticed more in this space, given this unique experience that I have, being able to essentially pull from different regions of the world, talking with different athletes, you know, knowing how different surgical procedures go in different parts of the world.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's something that I don't really think is really mentioned.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: We talk a lot about, you know, making your choice and exploring the graph types and different surgeons and whatnot.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that there's something that doesn't really get mentioned often whenever athletes are going to make this decision and consulting with surgeons.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to dive into today specifically.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: So what happens is you're often not given a choice with ACL graphs.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now, let me explain what I mean by this.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that this will shed some light, and I think hopefully it'll create a little bit of a light bulb moment for you guys as you're listening.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, in general, if you asked a surgeon, if you asked a PT, if you asked athletes, you ACLers who have had this surgery and are listening, you get such differing opinions and answers based on experience as well as geographically where people live.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: These are all things that play into it, aka that will also play into the surgeon that they go with, which will ultimately also factor into the graft that they get.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, while surgeons aren't often on Reddit threads or Facebook groups, if you go into these places, don't do it, but if you do, then this is something where you will often see the question, what is the best ACL graft?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's such a broad question, but everyone and their mother is going to add their opinion.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: I had the hamstring graph because uh, you know, my surgeon recommended it, and you know, I had the best results with it, and then someone else is gonna come in and say the hamstring graph is the worst, um, it has a higher re-injury rate, all this stuff, right?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's all anecdote.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, they might pull a study reference here or there, but everyone has their own perspective because it's an N equals one perspective, especially if you're someone who is not working with the majority of these types of athletes, right?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not a PT seeing a high volume of these athletes, if you're not a surgeon who is working a lot with these athletes, right?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: If you are, especially the ACLer, you're gonna have your own perspective.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have my own perspective about hamstring graphs because I have had two myself.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: But it's very unique because I've actually worked the least with hamstring graphs, I've actually worked the most with quad graphs as a coach and as a clinician working with ACLers, but I've worked with quite a number of hamstrings, quads, patellar tendons, allographs, combo, multi-ligament reconstructions.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: So these are all perspectives that we are going to speak from in terms of when we are making opinions or suggestions or recommendations.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that is really tough, right?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: ACL graph choice.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: And my goal today isn't to talk about all these and say which one's the best, because in all honesty, it is a very difficult choice and it is so specific to each person and the context that they are in.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: So this is something that you have to take within your specific case.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I want today's focus to be on this topic of why your choice might not exist.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna break this down even a little bit further, so then that way we can understand what it is that we're trying to gain from this episode today.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: As I had mentioned, I don't think that there is a lot of discussion around your options or much less given a choice, even if you ask your surgeon.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: And here's why.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Surgeons are the ones who are guiding this process because they're the ones who are going to be doing the surgery, right?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, it sounds like I'm calling out surgeons, but it's not calling them out, it's just really just explaining this process from my perspective.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, the surgeons are who we are focused on because they are doing the surgery.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is where they are doing that process.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: So then, therefore, the conversation is with them typically.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, you might get other opinions like from your physical therapist, like we help athletes navigate this process if they are pre-surgery and make some recommendations based on their goals and also, you know, surgeon and all these different factors that play into it.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, it's the conversation for you as the athlete and the surgeon in terms of what it is that you're going to use as your graft, right?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where I want to bring up our bias and our lenses.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: So every human looks through certain biases, through different lenses based on experiences and whatnot.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I do that as a physical therapist, as a coach, uh, as a husband, as a father, you know, brother, all these things, right?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: All these life experiences.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: But especially if we are talking about professionally, like I look through certain lenses as a physical therapist and performance coach.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so, with that said, a surgeon also has their own lenses and biases that they're gonna look through, right?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that we want to make sure that we think about, okay, well, where is this coming from?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of it is their education and training, mostly residency and fellowship and afterwards.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Who did they train under and what were their opinions about, you know, particular graph types?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: What was the graph type that they did the most of during residency and fellowship?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: This strongly influences the surgeons' practice and the graph that they potentially use when they go off to you know join a sports medicine team or go off and do their own practice.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm not speaking absolutes here.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is not all surgeons, right?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not all healthcare providers.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is, of course, just speaking in general, that this is a very common route to go because of your training, right?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to kind of bias through this lens because that's the experience that you've gained because it's been passed down from someone else or a group, and it's something that you're comfortable with, right?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is going to influence the surgeon's practice and the graphs that they potentially use.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that you know, the surgeons that they will stick with it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then there are some of those who might change due to experience, change in technology, or maybe it's research that comes up and it's updating their practice, right?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that I want us to dig a little bit deeper on.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: So let's take the surgeon that was trained on the patellar tendon graft, right?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's their go-to graft.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you're someone seeking a quad tendon as an ACLer, do you think this surgeon is going to recommend it even if you ask for it?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's possible, and maybe they're trained on each one, right?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they know how to do both of those.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And there are surgeons that exist that do uh a variety of them.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, a lot of times surgeons have their go-to graphs.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: They do quads, they do the patellar tendon or the hamstrings, or they're big on cadavers.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: They are that person.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Rarely are they seeing a high volume of each one.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: They all have their preferences.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: And when I talk to surgeons, a lot of times they do have their own preferences.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Even here in Atlanta, quad tendon is a very big one that has really taken over.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think, even in the general surgeon community uh here in the states, that I think this is something, and again, like not saying that's the best one.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there are a lot of factors that could play into it.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's of the newer of the big three, but it's something, you know, even someone had mentioned the thought of, oh, well, it's actually the easiest to harvest as well.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna make any comments on this.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest thing to consider here is that everyone's kind of got their own perspectives and their biases that they lean towards, right?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they're rarely gonna see a high volume of all of these just because they're all different techniques.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, usually when you're in the world of ACL and doing a decent amount of volume, you're not going to be amazing at all of those different techniques.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: You might be able to do them, but you might have a bias towards a certain type.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: And this could be also based on how you see athletes report, your surgical technique, you know, how people are progressing along the way.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: All this stuff embeds into their experience, which embeds into um what they are recommending for athletes they're seeing, right?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: And there might be certain categories of athletes where, okay, if they're a young youth athlete, they might have a go-to tendon for that.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: If they are an uh, you know, a recreational athlete, they might have a go-to tendon for that.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: If they're 45 or an older, a lot of times surgeons will recommend allographs.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's just like a blanket across the board.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Although I think that there should still be caution and I think there should be conversation around it and age not being just the only factor, but also goals and the context of the athlete, right?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: So this is something that you want to make sure you factor in.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: So when you're having the conversation around graft options, this should first and formerly be coming back to a place of your goals, history, age, gender, etc.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: All factors that play into this decision.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, what options are on the table with the surgeon, right?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Usually they have one graph that they recommend.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably the one they do a lot of and are known for.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: So even if you're hoping for a patellar tendon, for example, they might have said hamstring.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think what's not mentioned here is that this bias influences their opinion and nudging you in that direction.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: I heard it from ACL so many times where you know they talk to their surgeon and they say this graft is best because of X, right?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: They give some sort of reasoning behind why that graph choice is better for you.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And while it may be true, it might not be true.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also the one they like.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they're of course going to try and recommend it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: There oftentimes isn't another option on the table.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's where this title comes into play, is that they might just say, like, really, this is the graph choice you need to get, right?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: And there's not really a discussion around the other options that exist.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times, because they probably just don't do the other graph types, or maybe they just really love one particular graph type, and that's their expertise, and that's what they've been doing for so long.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that's not necessarily a wrong thing, of course, but I think that this is something to just consider because a lot of times what we talk about is you know, you want to assess what your options are.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, is that sometimes you just don't get those options because as soon as you pick a surgeon, you're going to be essentially forced into a particular type of graph because that is their background and that is the graph that they recommend.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if you think one's best, but really it's their bias and preference for what they think is best, right?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to do your homework.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that what they're recommending is wrong.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong here.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not saying that, you know, the surgeons are wrong in the sense of like recommending their graft.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: It can almost eliminate these options and choices that can make it a little bit more simple for you.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that that is a bad thing, but I think it is bad whenever we don't do our homework or we just kind of go with the graph type and don't really do our due diligence to look at some information to assess other options.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, we have athletes who later on are like, man, I wish I had never gotten this graph if I had known this.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: And some of that could be picked up by just doing the proper research, uh, whether it's on the surgeon, whether it's on the graph type, whether it's on your sport specifically, or getting some different opinions.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that I want to really encourage with this episode because you have to understand your options as well as the surgeon who have had the reps and the credibility, right?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: That is the thing that's important.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to make sure the surgeon has had good repetitions of ACLs and you want to make sure that they have really, really solid credibility.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: If the surgeon's only done, you know, a handful of ACLs in the year, uh, question mark, right?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: But if they're doing multiple ACL reconstructions weekly, like some of these Atlanta surgeons are, I have some trust in them, right?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that also goes along with, you know, their philosophy.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: And do they do return to sport testing?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Do they do strength testing?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Do they rush athletes to surgery?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like what is communicated to these athletes as well plays a big role in the relationships and trust I have with certain surgeons, especially locally here in Atlanta.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is something that I do think is important to think about.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: And while it seems like a lot, do your due diligence.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if that's one thing you take away from this podcast in general, if you've been listening to it for a while, do your research, educate yourself.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's why this podcast exists, is to help you to kind of sift through all the noise because there's a lot of BS out there in the space.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I want you to make sure you do your check on me as well and make sure that what I'm saying is true and honest.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: And this is something that I think we always have to have a little bit of skepticism with anything we encounter, especially with medicine.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just one of those things where, you know, nowadays we have to just make sure we educate ourselves as best as possible and find reputable sources.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so, as I had mentioned, it might seem like a lot to do, but this is something that I want you to think about from a different lens.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Think about if you were going to buy your house, right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to buy a car, right?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to do the research.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to invest in something where you're going to spend a lot of money.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, when money is associated, we definitely do our research where aesthetic is also played into it, right?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Then we're going to do our research a little bit, do some reviews, you know, kind of shop around, if you will, just to make sure it is the right thing because it's a perception thing.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's also something that you're going to be, you know, maybe living in or driving around.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's important to you, right?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: And usually it is something that has a little bit more of a high cost to it.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, let's transfer this over to your health, right?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we owe it to ourselves with our health, especially to invest in it and to be able to do our due diligence like anything else, especially similar to buying a house or a car or you know, the college that we're going to go to.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Another good example.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: We do our research and we make sure that we make the best choice.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Don't just go with whatever your first option is.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: That is typically not always the best idea.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: You just want to get some information first and then make a good decision.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so make sure you ask the surgeon the questions that are important.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to know what those are, then you can check out earlier podcast episodes I've done on questions to ask your surgeon.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's a two-part series to that.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: You can check out our blog on the ACL Athlete website.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we also have a free ebook you can download that is available on our resources page on the website.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: We will also link it in the show notes for this episode in case you are someone who is looking to ask the right questions to your surgeon.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, is if you are nervous to ask your surgeon this question, just you know, politely just say, like, hey, I have some questions.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you mind if I ask them?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: It will really give me some peace of mind.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: And if they are taken aback by any of them, then I would almost question, you know, their true commitment and really like why is it that it is affecting them in a way for you to ask these questions?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I know the healthcare system makes us feel rushed, and we gotta hurry and ask our questions within the five, 10 minutes we got.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Look, you are deserving of that time.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: You are making a very important decision.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if you need to take the next 15, 20 minutes to take that surgeon's time, do it.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is very important because you can often get rushed through this process, and it is a very big decision, and you want to be fully at peace knowing you have evaluated, asked all your questions.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is something that I can say from experience in terms of being an ACL or being in the medical system so many times, dealing with my parents who are immigrants, and having to help them navigate a lot of healthcare issues, working with clients, right?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: And athletes, like having to help them navigate these situations, it is not easy.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: And sure, I you know, I've even been at fault for this to like kind of rush through some things at times, but that's where we audit our process and we make sure, like, hey, like we make time for our athletes and have conversations and make sure that they feel fully addressed and all questions are fully answered.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't know the answer, then we find out the answer and get back to you.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're anyone who has ever talked to me in any form or consultation, you know that every single time at the end of that call, I ask, are there any more questions?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna put a cap on that because I think that you need to make sure you feel fully educated and understand what you are getting into.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that that is also very important for consulting with your surgeon and making these decisions.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: The thing that's gonna be important with this podcast episode is that you just need to know that there might be a bias.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: That can be okay as long as you're on board with the game plan, right?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're someone who had intentions of a different graft, but a surgeon persuaded you or changed your mind otherwise, then I would look a little deeper to see if that's maybe the right thing to do, or maybe it's because they just don't do that graft, you know?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's the thing that you want to make sure you have research that.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: might be best for you in your specific situation.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the last point I'll make here is get a few opinions.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Even though they might be the go-to surgeon in the area, they're the ACL guy or girl, right?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: They are the pro team sports surgeon, etc.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: Get two to three opinions.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: See what perspectives these docs have.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: I say this with finding a PT, this goes for finding a house, right?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're not just going to go to the first house and buy it after you've torn it, right?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to make sure that you tour a few houses at the minimum, if not multiple houses, in order to make the best decision of what feels right for you, location, all these factors that you're going to play into the decision of purchasing a home.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: The same thing with a college, the same thing with a car.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Insert anything else you're going to invest time, money, energy into.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing here with your health and with your particular case.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you feel locked in with your first surgeon, just go get a second opinion anyways just to see what someone else might have to say.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then that way you know, okay, cool.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I really like my first surgeon and I think that this is the the person I'm going to go with for X, Y, and Z reasons.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I just wanted to come on to today's episode and share this perspective because I don't really think it gets discussed very much.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I know in this space you might be like okay I hear yeah go talk to my surgeon ask them these questions but a lot of times when I'm talking with ACLers, they don't really get these options.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: They're just kind of told here's your graph you might get another option if the surgeon is really forward they will say like I don't really do that one.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times you're coming into this not really knowing anyways because you're just trying to rely on the professional.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is is that the professional has a certain lens they look through.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where I just wanted to share some caution because you need to do the research and understand your context and then be able to make a decision based on multiple opinions even though they are that go-to person, right?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes you honestly just don't have a choice even though options exist out there.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that can be so tough and it comes back to the surgeon their preference and of course your consent with that as well.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: But as always you guys know advocate for yourself especially if your gut tells you it doesn't feel right or what you were expecting.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that I want to make sure we hammer home with this episode.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: And again not saying all surgeons are like this it's just more of just the nature of human beings and we all have our own lenses we look through our own training all the things right and so that's where we just need to make sure we evaluate our options make sure that we find different options and opinions and then make the best informed decision we can once we do that.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: And final thing I'm going to note here don't go off and be giving your surgeons really hard times right still respect them of course they are part of your team and of course just like hear their perspective and get that information take it in as data and then you know once you get those differing opinions you can make a well-informed decision about what route you want to go in right of course they're going to have their own preferences and that's okay.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's just not discussed.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the thing that I wanted to share today because I think a lot of times people go in thinking oh well you know I might do this graph or you know I'd like to hear my options but then they are just told hey you're going to go with this quad graph right and so this is something that just like okay yeah you're the professional let me trust you but I think that there are some people who end up getting certain graphs or going with certain surgeons because it was what was convenient.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds you know ideal based on the way that they explained it and they didn't get multiple opinions on this.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where things can go wrong in a sense because then therefore they're just looking through that one lens of what that surgeon preferred.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is where doing your research doing your your due diligence in terms of this process is so so key because it can make a huge huge difference not only in the short term but also the long term and also potentially not looking back in hindsight and being like man I should have done something different.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: You want to feel very very confident in that decision like any other big investment you're going to do.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: But this is for your health and the long term abilities of your body with athletic abilities all the things that are going to be so important to you here in the short term but also in the long term so if you have any questions team please reach out you know where to find us on all the channels.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you have not listened to recent episodes you can go into the show notes and you can ask us a question and this could be something that we will table for um for some QA's coming up as well as any other podcast topics and if this podcast has been helpful to you I ask for two things one is that if you would leave us a five star review because that helps us to reach more and more ACLers just like you and also to send us a message we do not get your phone number whatsoever but you can send us a text saying how this podcast has been helpful for you.
• 29:41
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• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: So again thank you all so much for supporting us until next time this is your host Robbie Patel signing off