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Issue 414: A New Hope for 2026 · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'm going to regret this.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the NED party.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, this is Nick and Astas, you story editor on
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars, The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch,
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  Speaker 3: and you are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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  Speaker 4: Here you are back with Aggressive Negotiations, and here we
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  Speaker 4: are to bring you another episode of it. I am
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  Speaker 4: one of your humble hosts, Jedi Master John Mills. With
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  Speaker 4: me as always embarking on this beautiful journey is my
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  Speaker 4: dear friend, Jedi Master Matthew Rushing.
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  Speaker 1: Matt.
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  Speaker 4: We are here to discuss a variety of topics. Tonight
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  Speaker 4: there will be one in particular, but also a nice
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  Speaker 4: little surprise for the fans. Are you buckled up as
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  Speaker 4: your hyperspace acceleration chair?
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  Speaker 2: All set, John, I'm so excited that people have chosen
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  Speaker 2: to join us here on Aggressive Negotiations Variety hours, and
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  Speaker 2: I am just one of the hosts, and I'm so
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  Speaker 2: glad to be here. Of course, this is my variety,
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  Speaker 2: our accent, and we're so glad that you have chosen
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  Speaker 2: to join us.
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  Speaker 4: I would have personally gone with something a little more
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  Speaker 4: Bob Barker, but you do you. That's fine, that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I can only imagine what a Jedi in
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  Speaker 4: disguise after Order sixty six doing game shows to win
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  Speaker 4: the money.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a series. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: Lucasfilm another pitch for.
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  Speaker 2: Forst to like win money on like wheel of Fortune.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right.
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  Speaker 4: Every time he spends it lands on the five thousand
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  Speaker 4: dollars thing, and it's like, ohh, I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just really lucky tonight at all. Yeah, And like you know,
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  Speaker 4: and then like he's all going to guess the letter
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  Speaker 4: and then like he's reaching out with his mind to
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  Speaker 4: pull it out of the producer's head and he's like,
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  Speaker 4: give me three rs if you would. How did you
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  Speaker 4: know it would be three just the lucky guess, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: something like that. You know it could be done, and
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  Speaker 4: you know it would be a great sitcom, maybe a
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  Speaker 4: one season, but a really funny one. And then of
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  Speaker 4: course at the end, as he's discovered, Vader kills him
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  Speaker 4: and takes the prizes and.
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  Speaker 1: Uses that to build his castle. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: Now we've gone into the drama. And speaking of drama,
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  Speaker 4: it's dramatic for me, it's dramatic for Matt.
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  Speaker 1: When we get.
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  Speaker 4: rating and review, please please, But we also have a
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  Speaker 4: special thrill this week, Matt. We got feedback directly from
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  Speaker 4: a listener. This listener is in the wilds of an
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  Speaker 4: upstate that experiences weather changes that I don't, and he
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  Speaker 4: goes by the code named Old Joe, and he listened
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  Speaker 4: to our discussion recently about the World between Worlds and
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  Speaker 4: that galaxy even farther away in Ahsoka season one. His question,
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  Speaker 4: and he posed it to both of us, but I'll
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  Speaker 4: pose it to you, was do you think it's possible
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  Speaker 4: that the two galaxies were actually closer together than they
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  Speaker 4: are now at some point in the past, and it's
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  Speaker 4: not as distant past as we think, and that is
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  Speaker 4: the origin of the Night Sisters and the Mortis gods,
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  Speaker 4: and the World between Worlds was the way that they found,
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  Speaker 4: or even the pergol were the way that they found
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  Speaker 4: to get back to this other galaxy that they were
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  Speaker 4: used to going to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's an interesting question because as you were
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  Speaker 2: saying that, I was thinking to myself. We know that
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  Speaker 2: the Clone Wars were actually going to touch the Yujon
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  Speaker 2: Vong if they had continued, and those characters were always
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  Speaker 2: ones that came from outside the universe we know, and
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  Speaker 2: so that's a question that also made me wonder about
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  Speaker 2: had they left that universe that we see in Ahsoka
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  Speaker 2: and they didn't have light speed and they just were
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  Speaker 2: traveling on these very slow ships relatively speaking, at like
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  Speaker 2: these big world ships, you know, and so that's a
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  Speaker 2: whole other question. But so yeah, I mean the idea
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  Speaker 2: that you know, this is a long long time ago
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  Speaker 2: in a galaxy far far away. We know that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Star Wars universe, we're talking existence of thousands of years,
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  Speaker 2: ten thousands of years. You know, it's been around for
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  Speaker 2: a long period of time. And so the idea that
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  Speaker 2: there could have been a universal drift from one universe
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  Speaker 2: to the next, I think makes complete sense. And it
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  Speaker 2: would have been really interesting in the sense that you
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  Speaker 2: could have maybe gotten there because they were closer, much
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  Speaker 2: easier previous, and then as the drift has happened, it
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  Speaker 2: got more and more difficult, which is you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why the Death Mary Witches end up
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  Speaker 2: there in the first place, and maybe they just got stranded,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because they didn't maybe know about Pergol or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. There's just all of these really incredible
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  Speaker 2: stories that I think that could go into explaining all
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  Speaker 2: of these different facets about these two universes and how
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  Speaker 2: they are connected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing is, as you're brainstorming there, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 4: of different things where the Eugen Vong are from that
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  Speaker 4: galaxy and they were on the way they're on the
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  Speaker 4: way over here or over to the Skywalker galaxy, and
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  Speaker 4: their ships to your idea of being worldships, their sleeperships.
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  Speaker 4: They know it's going to take a long time, so
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  Speaker 4: they go to sleep and so it's almost like that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's Joe Haldeman wrote the book The Forever War,
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  Speaker 4: where by the time you get to where you're going,
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  Speaker 4: the war's already over or the enemy has changed sort
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  Speaker 4: of things. So that could even be a very interesting thing.
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  Speaker 4: And it's the type of thing where it's like I
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  Speaker 4: could see this sort of thing being pitched and developed
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  Speaker 4: in a Lucasfilm story room. But that leads into sort
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  Speaker 4: of the core question for this episode. As you know,
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  Speaker 4: look twenty twenty five is starting to wind down. We
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  Speaker 4: know we have a project that's coming out in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty six. We know that there's one in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars is coming back to theaters. We know that
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get a fiftieth anniversary re release in Imax.
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  Speaker 4: No less, I mean that movie is gonna make money
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  Speaker 4: handover fist especially. Some of the other rumors are true,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll leave that to the side. And we have
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  Speaker 4: AHSOCA season two, so it seems like there are some
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  Speaker 4: things that are in development. And we got mal shadow
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  Speaker 4: Lord on the way too.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the Starfighter, which they're filming right now,
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  Speaker 2: so they're actually filming it, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the thing is, like we have all of
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  Speaker 4: these great, neat, innovative, mind expansive projects that are coming
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  Speaker 4: out there, but everybody still has this perception of Star
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  Speaker 4: Wars as a franchise struggling right now, Look, let's just
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  Speaker 4: embrace why. It's because of this story that broke about
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  Speaker 4: the hunt for Ben Solo. So basically, as we go
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  Speaker 4: into twenty twenty six, is it possible that we're looking
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  Speaker 4: at Lucasfilm taking another shot at redefining itself as at innovative,
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  Speaker 4: story focused studio for its core franchise that it's known
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  Speaker 4: for continuing to work against.
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  Speaker 1: What I would call corporate structure.
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  Speaker 4: That only sees things in terms of sequential storytelling, merchandising rights,
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  Speaker 4: streaming capabilities and those sorts of things, the stuff that
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  Speaker 4: sort of strips away the heart of what made us
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  Speaker 4: fall in love with it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is just a really interesting question because
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a recently just came out in the
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  Speaker 2: theaters was tron Ares And one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: and the research I did to talk about that film
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  Speaker 2: on the six or two Club was came across some
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  Speaker 2: information that the reason that the Joseph Kazinski sequel to
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  Speaker 2: that never happened that was supposed to happen that he
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  Speaker 2: was working on, was because Disney had the returns for
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow Land and decided, no, we're not doing another one
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  Speaker 2: of these films because of what they got back for
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow Land. And I think that ever since the debacle
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  Speaker 2: that was Solow And when I say that, it's not
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sliding.
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  Speaker 1: We both love the film exactly. We both love the
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  Speaker 1: film not about that.
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  Speaker 2: This is about the botched behind the scenes travesty that
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  Speaker 2: happened from beginning to end on that film. Uh and
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  Speaker 2: continued of course with the you know, terrible promotion of
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  Speaker 2: that film that the the just I mean everything about
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  Speaker 2: how they handled that whole thing was awful. The fact
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  Speaker 2: that that movie turns out to be fantastic is just
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  Speaker 2: a you know, it's thank the first Howard. Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: Apparently the Howards should just be making more Star Wars things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because Actions does just as good as Father.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm what I'm trying to get at though.
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  Speaker 3: Is.
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  Speaker 2: There seems to be a culture of fear that's happening
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  Speaker 2: in the Disney corporation. It's not even Lucasfilm itself, it's
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  Speaker 2: the Disney corporate structure, right, and they seem to be
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  Speaker 2: terrified at point to make anything that's not going to
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  Speaker 2: make tons of money, right, And so the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that they seem to care about these days is remaking terror,
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  Speaker 2: remaking perfect animated features into less perfect other animated features,
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  Speaker 2: because they feel like they can make bukoos of money
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  Speaker 2: on that unless it's snow white and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, that's a whole story lot it self.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But the point is is that we have gone
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  Speaker 2: from being a studio that is trying to be inventive
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  Speaker 2: in any way to be a studio that's driven by
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  Speaker 2: fear of not making enough dollars back. And when you
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  Speaker 2: when you're not willing to take any kind of creative risk,
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  Speaker 2: or you're not just willing to realize, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: to spend three hundred million dollars on every single movie.
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  Speaker 2: If I have the right person behind the film and
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  Speaker 2: they have one hundred million dollars, they could make an
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  Speaker 2: incredible film and we could make back what we put
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  Speaker 2: into it and more, you know. And so yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: just feels like this will be weird. Analogy watching the
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  Speaker 2: as if we're recording this. The Blue Jays and the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers are in the World Series, and the other night
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  Speaker 2: the game went into the eighteenth inning, right, and it
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  Speaker 2: didn't end before the end of the eighteenth inning when
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  Speaker 2: we got to walk off home run from Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 2: for the Dodgers. Why does that happen? Because once you
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  Speaker 2: get into the extra innings in a World Series game,
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  Speaker 2: guys stop playing and swinging the way they had been
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  Speaker 2: swinging the rest of the game. Now you're only swinging
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  Speaker 2: for the fences, and that changes the game because you
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  Speaker 2: just get a lot of pop ups. That's what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: I think with Disney as a creative force, they're always
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  Speaker 2: swinging for the fences in the sense, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: spend five hundred million dollars making this movie, but now
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  Speaker 2: we need to make a billion and a half dollars
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  Speaker 2: for it to be successful, and you're you're just creating
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  Speaker 2: your own monster that you can never overcome or be.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's like the question, can God make a rock
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  Speaker 2: so big that he can't pick it up? Well, Disney
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  Speaker 2: has made a problem so big it can't fix it
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  Speaker 2: with more money. And so I think that's really one
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  Speaker 2: of the places that we might be coming down to
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  Speaker 2: in the structure.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, well I got a couple of things here.
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  Speaker 4: One great analogy and I'll tackle ont of that. It's
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  Speaker 4: because they're trying to win with one big swing, because
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  Speaker 4: they're they're no longer playing to win, they're playing not
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  Speaker 4: to lose. Oh, it's a totally different point to go,
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  Speaker 4: totally different way to get yes. And I think with
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  Speaker 4: this corporatism that you're talking about as well, with it
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  Speaker 4: is the problem with the corporate strung ructure is that
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  Speaker 4: Lucasfilm is now part of a larger hole like any
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  Speaker 4: other big corporation or any other big studio. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: curb stomping Disney in particular with this comment, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 4: coming at it from the perspective that the larger corporations,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what, the people at the top upper management,
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  Speaker 4: their paycheck clears, no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas when Lucasfilm was its own independent studio, Lucas was
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  Speaker 4: literally running it, I mean almost, it was almost just
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  Speaker 4: like a nonprofit corporation, yeah, because everything that was made
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  Speaker 4: was sunk back into the company to make it larger,
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  Speaker 4: to make it grow, to make it more stable. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that what we're witnessing as Star Wars fans,
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  Speaker 4: because we have such a vested interest in it emotionally,
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  Speaker 4: is it's something that's happening everywhere, but we're only seeing
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  Speaker 4: it here because we're only looking here, right, And every
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  Speaker 4: company that gets larger, all that they can look at
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  Speaker 4: is that bottom line, that that ruthless look at it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, as we have this discussion, there are headlines
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  Speaker 4: breaking because you know, Company a's profits are down by
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  Speaker 4: one percent. They're gonna acts tens of thousands of people,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, well, wait, who actually made the bad
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  Speaker 4: decisions to cost this? Get rid of those jabbronis like that.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's the whole thing. That's the thing that I think.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's the movie studios in general now,
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  Speaker 4: because they're not studios anymore. They're corporations. They're not actually
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  Speaker 4: movie studios anymore. Disney's not a movie studio anymore. They're
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  Speaker 4: not Disney was there's a multi corporation. Yeah, right exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And so you can have I think the disheartening thing
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  Speaker 4: right now, I'll throw this to you right is you
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  Speaker 4: have the Hunt for Ben Solo come up. It gets greenlit.
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  Speaker 4: It crosses every hurdle that we've been told is necessary
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  Speaker 4: to cross. The head of story is okay. The head
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  Speaker 4: of story is more than okay with it. There's a
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  Speaker 4: final script that's been done. They're ready to order people.
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  Speaker 4: They have one of the most esteemed directors in Hollywood
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  Speaker 4: history attached to it. They have a huge star whose
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  Speaker 4: name draws people in even non star wars. Fans love
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  Speaker 4: the dude. Yep, and the head of Lucasfilm is like yep,
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  Speaker 4: this is it. Look at all of this stuff, we did,
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  Speaker 4: all of the work, We're ready to go, and then
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  Speaker 4: it's that mystical. It's like the final boss in a
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  Speaker 4: video game suddenly shows up and you're like, well, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: no no, I'm hitting ab at the same time, what's
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  Speaker 4: going on? And it's like you're doing everything right, but
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  Speaker 4: you still lose the game? Like how can fans not
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  Speaker 4: look at that and be like, man, what a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of bult Like how can that not take the wind
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  Speaker 4: out of your sales to see that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I find this to be really interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me. And the most fascinating part about this is
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  Speaker 2: is that the whole aspect of and I think, look,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to throw you know, tons of shade, right,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that this really kind of comes down
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that it's very clear what happened with
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  Speaker 2: the sequel trilogy and why I think they have struggled
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  Speaker 2: so mightily on how to follow it up is because
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  Speaker 2: of the disjointed nature of the storytelling from start to
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  Speaker 2: finish in the series. And you know, so this isn't
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  Speaker 2: about whether or not you liked certain aspects of it
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  Speaker 2: or if you liked The Last Jedi or not, or
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  Speaker 2: if you liked The Force Awakens or not. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't about that. But I don't think anybody in
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  Speaker 2: their right mind thinks to themselves, man, that was just
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  Speaker 2: one internally consistent trilogy. I mean, there's just nothing about
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  Speaker 2: that trilogy that I have a problem with or make
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  Speaker 2: doesn't not make sense, you know. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: one of the issues that we run into with it
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  Speaker 2: is that we're at a place where it is they
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to follow it up and where to
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  Speaker 2: follow it up, because there wasn't kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: clear vision in the series itself as to where it
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  Speaker 2: was going.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think it's a yes, no, I'll go
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  Speaker 4: all the way back to your your baseball analogy, right
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  Speaker 4: and the playing not to lose sort of thing. I
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  Speaker 4: honestly think, because I'm reconstructing it in my brain, the
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  Speaker 4: turn against Marvel hadn't happened yet, and I think that
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  Speaker 4: the sting of what happened with the way Solo suffered
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  Speaker 4: for the way fans really felt about The Last Jedi,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and the general public in general felt about it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest, guys, I think that it's almost like
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  Speaker 4: an emotional damage thing where the same people are at
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  Speaker 4: the head of Disney by and large, and they've never
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  Speaker 4: understood how to process it. They don't know what went
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  Speaker 4: wrong because they don't understand. They literally look at it
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  Speaker 4: as product. It's like when you know, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: basically like suddenly people don't like Oreos anymore, and the
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  Speaker 4: people making Oreos are like, well, wait, no, it's still Oreos.
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  Speaker 1: We're still selling Oreos.
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  Speaker 4: But what they don't realize is they changed some minor
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  Speaker 4: ingredient in the double stuff or something like the cream
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  Speaker 4: in the center, and people tasted it and they were like,
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  Speaker 4: Oreos don't taste the same anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're fine, but I don't like them as much.
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  Speaker 4: But to the people up at the top of the chain,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, but it's still Oreos. It tastes the same
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  Speaker 4: to me, And it's like, ah, does that make sense
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  Speaker 4: to you? Like, and I think Marvel's going through the
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  Speaker 4: same thing. They don't understand what went wrong. They're almost
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  Speaker 4: like they're incapable of understanding what misfired, and so it's
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  Speaker 4: making them afraid to do anything bold or continue to
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  Speaker 4: take risks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's really an astute observation as
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  Speaker 2: to what the problem is. And I think it is
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me that you had a script that Dave
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  Speaker 2: Filoni liked, Kathleen Kennedy liked, everybody seemed to be on
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  Speaker 2: board with. And then it was Iiger who says no.
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  Speaker 2: And why he said no? We don't even have a
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  Speaker 2: clue as to why he would say no to this,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: And but it.
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  Speaker 1: Was you right, no?
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  Speaker 4: What wasn't one of the I swear I read an
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: article where the reasoning given was that the feedback was, well,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: he's dead, how could this happen? Like they couldn't understand
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: how you could tell a story about him, which I
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: think even shows that they struggled even with the idea
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: of I wonder if they even understood that Rogue one
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and Solo were.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Prequels like I do.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I think is it possible that they just didn't understand
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: the idea of nonsequential storytelling. It's almost like, well, look,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: we can't fix it. Obviously, you and me, nobody listening
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: can fix it. And it's it's one of those things, though,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: where I want to look at twenty twenty six with
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: hopeful eyes. I want to say, there's hope on the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: horizon that the seas will calm and things will hit
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: a regular cadence. The simple fact that we know for
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: certain two more movies are coming out in the next
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: two years, and we're going to get a season of
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: a show, and Mal's Shadow Lord the one that I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: most excited for of all four of them, in God's
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: honest truth, that's the one I am the most excited for.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: We have four solid projects we know that are cued up.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: My question to you is going to twenty twenty six,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: all of these projects, you throw them at me, I'm hopeful.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, these all actually sound pretty solid. I'm
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: actually kind of digging what they're Yeah, they're putting out there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Why how do we remove the mental hurdle for ourselves
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: as fans to go into twenty twenty six clean, to
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: drop the baggage and say, you know what, I can't
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: hold on to that. Let's move forward, just the same
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: way that George Lucas was trying to teach us with
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  Speaker 4: his six films.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think one of the ways that we do
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that is maybe we should be thankful that at least
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: one of the lessons that we learned, uh, and they
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: seem to have learned at Lucasfilm with Star Wars, stop
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: making things so quickly that you can't actually think about anything. Yes,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: stop making things so quickly that we we don't have
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to sit back and make sure do we
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: really need to make this?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Does this?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Is this important to the saga? Does it add anything
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to the storyline? Does it?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Does it?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Does it really give us what we're looking for with
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Star Wars to make it special?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And so in that, I think if we're going to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: talk about what we should be thankful for, in what
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: we should be grateful for, which we've got a big
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: episode coming up soon called Thanks Gungan.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: When we'll talk a lot about race.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I love that annual tradition. But I think you're right
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and absolutely talking about this idea. We should be grateful,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: We should be looking forward to what's coming out. We
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: should be hopeful because that none of these things have
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: been rushed. Mal's Shadow Lord not rushed. U Soka season
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: two not rushed. In fact, we've we've if you've read
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: articles about it, they have put so much time and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: effort into that series. They they've been worked, they worked
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: on the cinematography to make it even more epic. You know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they're filming over in England, which you know, we know
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: how that turned out for and or in Rogue one.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You know, uh Grogu and Mando, they have had a
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: long time to work on the effects, right, They haven't
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: been rushing that. So much of this stuff that we
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: complained about with things in Star Wars was because things
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: were rushed, because we felt we had this inclination that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: we just had to get things out there and we
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: had to do it now because we had to strike
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: while the iron is hot, instead of making sure that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the things that we were actually giving folks was what
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: they didn't know they always wanted but and also always
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: needed in Star Wars, right, And so I think that's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the type of thing that again, I really appreciate you
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: saying that, Yeah, we should be hopeful coming forward because
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: there are some lessons I think that they had to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: learn the hard way and those aren't being repeated right now,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and that's great.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: And so I think maybe just made we're looking forward
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: to twenty twenty six being a new hope for Star Wars.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I did it. I did it, guys, I got us there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I made the reference that we were all thinking in
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: our heads, but what the rest of us are thinking
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: in our heads? Matt, to follow up on a point
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: that you were saying, was the only rushing we want
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: to hear about is Matt rushing? So where can people
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: find you online?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you saying that, but nobody thought that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: But anyway, you can find me all over social media
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: under the name Matt Raschint zero two. Of course, I'm
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: here on the network with outpost a whole podcast about
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: every single chapter of the Harry Potter series, one chapter
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: at a time. You can also find me on the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: TFM network with a bunch of shows ones called the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: six oh two Club, where we're talking about all of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the franchises that we love outside of Star Trek. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of great Star Trek talk over there,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So check all of those out. But John, you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: if people wanted to see what you're doing for Spooky Season,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: because I know, oh, you're such a huge fan of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Spooky Season, where can people find you?
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Well, so far as I'm concerned, Spooky Season goes just
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: about up to Thanksgiving, because gosh darn it, if you
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: can start selling Christmas stuff, before Halloween. I can celebrate
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Halloween all the way up until Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: that's how I do it in my house, young man.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: And you can find me online as Kessel Junkie kss
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: E l j u n Kie. I have a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: of fun over on Letterbox because gosh, I can only
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: talk about movies. There can't possibly get myself in trouble.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. And of course you can find me
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: here on the network co hosting a show regularly called
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: house Lights with Darren Moser and Tristan Radel, where we
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: look at the work of directors and we are finally, finally,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: as of the recording of this talking about one of
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: my favorite directors, Catherine Bigelow, and I'm so overjoyed about
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: it because that is a director that I've been wanting
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to talk about her work since probably the inception of
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that show that's been going on for a long time.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: So and honestly, Hey, since we're pitching so many ideas
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: out here to Lucasfilm lately, Hey, Lucasfilm, bring in Catherine
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Bigelow to direct a Star Wars feature.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I'd be so overjoyed if you did. It would be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the best in the world.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: But speaking of the best in the world, I have
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: the best wheel of cheese looking chairs back at my
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: room at the Jedi Temple. So let's go take a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: load off Master Rushing, and I think it's time to
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: close these negotiations, John, negotiations are clothes.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.