Latest / You're Overqualified Podcast - Career and Leadership Strategies for Women / 120. How to Build a 100k Business Without Quitting Your 9-to-5
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- 0:01Hello, so today we're going to talk about how to build 100K
- 0:04business without quitting your 9 to 5 SA.
- 0:07Lot of the advice that we will get when it comes to building
- 0:10something for ourselves will be OK.
- 0:13You know, let's go ahead and just go all in and give up our
- 0:17current job. We want to build that business
- 0:20and a lot of the times we don't necessarily need to do that.
- 0:22We don't have to go ahead and and let it all go in order to
- 0:26build something for ourselves. And so today that's something
- 0:28that I want to talk about with how we make that happen.
- 0:32And I myself, which I'll break into a little bit more, have,
- 0:36you know, spent time within my Purple career also building my
- 0:39business at the same exact time. So there is a way to do to do
- 0:41both. And so with that, let's go ahead
- 0:44and talk about it. So in case we haven't met yet,
- 0:46I'm Danny Tan. I am the founder of She Belongs
- 0:49Here, an organization that helps women when it comes to
- 0:51leadership as well as organizations themselves when it
- 0:54comes to being better about helping women in leadership,
- 0:57supporting them, and, you know, being able to uplift them.
- 1:01And so if you're here, it's because you want to learn
- 1:03something about whether it's like building up leadership for
- 1:06yourself, getting some kind of promotion or building something
- 1:08for yourself. Let's say it is something that
- 1:10is either fractional work, person work, or going full time
- 1:12into your business to build something for yourself.
- 1:15And so I myself have pivoted careers five times.
- 1:17So I've been NPR sales, merchandising, e-commerce, you
- 1:20name it, all achieving 11 promotions in 11 years.
- 1:22So I went from being a sample coordinator to AVP to multi
- 1:25billion dollar company to wanting to do this full time
- 1:27because my passion and love has always been people development
- 1:30helping, especially women for second Gen. women of color with
- 1:33their careers. And so that's how I've kind of
- 1:35went into all of this. I used to volunteer.
- 1:38I, well, you know, I still do at times with a nonprofit called
- 1:41America Needs You, which helps 1st and college students with
- 1:44their careers and figuring out internships, all that good
- 1:46stuff. And so I love doing that so
- 1:48much. And that's how I built my
- 1:49business. So that's what I do now.
- 1:51So going in today's topic of how to build 100K business without
- 1:54putting your nine to five, I would say the basis of all this
- 1:57that I want to like really drive home is if you are someone who
- 2:03needs security, right? Needs security in the sense of
- 2:06this stability that maybe you grew up in financial scarcity.
- 2:10Maybe you grew up in an environment where you were told
- 2:12having a drop in a nine to five, having benefits, having a
- 2:16paycheck was really important for you to feel stable.
- 2:18A lot of the internal systems within US will require us to
- 2:23have that to feel safe. And so it could feel super nerve
- 2:27wracking to decide to go all into a business and give up her
- 2:32corporate experience or our jobs.
- 2:34Whether whatever job it is could be profit, nonprofit, it doesn't
- 2:36matter, but it could be really scary to let go of what that
- 2:39stability feels like. And so with that, we end up kind
- 2:44of being like, OK, I don't know if I could ever go after that
- 2:47big business idea or that or that idea that I've been
- 2:49noodling. Could I do it?
- 2:50And So what I want you to know is that there is a way to build
- 2:54a business that is sustainable and comforting and take care of
- 2:59you and being aligned with what it is that you want to do.
- 3:02So I'm going to go ahead and break that down.
- 3:04And the thing that I want to reiterate is for me, just some
- 3:07fun facts. I was definitely always raised
- 3:10in the in the values of having a paycheck is really important
- 3:15because it's steady. Having benefits is important
- 3:17because it's steady. I grew up where there was
- 3:20financial inconsistencies. And so I knew how important it
- 3:23was going to be for me as an adult, like, Nope, I don't have
- 3:25to worry about like if this bill was paid or if I want to buy
- 3:29something, do I have to compare the prices?
- 3:31I just want to be able to go do it.
- 3:32And so for me, a lot of the times of the promotions of 11
- 3:36promotions of 11 years was really about, you know, success
- 3:39for survival. That's the big thing that I say
- 3:41about myself was if I was going to be successful and that would
- 3:44lead to survival because I would be getting a higher paycheck.
- 3:47It always came back to if I feel like I was struggling, then it
- 3:50meant that what could I do to kind of like move up?
- 3:52And so once you have gotten to a point where you're like, Oh my
- 3:56gosh, I'm feeling pretty good about the work that I've been
- 4:00doing and my career, what's next, right?
- 4:03How do I build this for myself? Because once we get so good at
- 4:06what we do within our careers, then we're kind of like, wait a
- 4:10minute, I could do this for myself.
- 4:11We start to see like that, that other path that starts opening
- 4:15up for us. Like I've been doing this for
- 4:17organizations. I'm helping them, you know,
- 4:19raise funding. I'm helping them, you know, go
- 4:21ahead and increase their revenue.
- 4:22I'm helping them hire their teens.
- 4:24I'm helping them create stronger marketing campaigns.
- 4:26So if I'm so good at doing this for everybody else, why am I not
- 4:29doing it for myself? That's usually the question that
- 4:31comes up because a lot of the path of the, the women that I
- 4:35work with, they go from coming to me because they have been
- 4:38super driven and motivated and they have been working really
- 4:41hard and ambitious and they're working on getting that
- 4:43promotion going to the next level.
- 4:44Then once they've achieved that, they start to see, wait, I've
- 4:46been pouring my heart and soul into this.
- 4:48What should I build for myself that allows me to have all that
- 4:52money that I'm generating for an organization go direct to me?
- 4:54And also how I can create flexibility and freedom over my
- 4:57time, my space and my work with. And so that's usually the next
- 5:00step that comes up with the clients that I work with.
- 5:02And so I want, you know, that is 100% possible.
- 5:05It just feels really scary to take that first step.
- 5:08And a lot of the times for us it is driven by finance.
- 5:11Like it the biggest marker I always see is that it comes back
- 5:14to the financial piece of why we're not taking that step to go
- 5:17ahead and build our business. And so that's why I want you to
- 5:20know like, yes, you can, you can build $100,000 business for
- 5:24yourself while you still have your nine to five.
- 5:27And the reason why I recommend that is because it is just for
- 5:30safety for your nervous system, safety for your mind.
- 5:32You're trying to rewire a long, long, long, like many, many
- 5:36years. Because if you're working with
- 5:38me, you're probably, you know, in your 30s or your 40s or even
- 5:42your 50s. And you're trying to figure out
- 5:44like, OK, is it safe for me to go from having this career that
- 5:48I've had to building something for myself?
- 5:50And so I will break down, per usual, the steps and phases
- 5:56surrounded around that to create some safety for you because it's
- 5:59not that you can't do it, it's that you haven't done it before.
- 6:02Therefore, our brain wants to default into its safety patterns
- 6:06of, well, what is familiar and what is safe.
- 6:09And that kind of keeps us out of taking action and exploring what
- 6:12it is that we want to do. And so since I know 9 times,
- 6:16really 10 times out of 10, there's really 10 times out of
- 6:1910, it's always rooted back to money, whether it's financial
- 6:23scarcity, whether it's money mindset.
- 6:25I can tell you that the best ways to test out building a
- 6:28business for yourself and ultimately building a business
- 6:30for yourself and leaving your 9:00 to 5:00 if you choose to,
- 6:33or maintaining both. Maybe you want to have both.
- 6:34Maybe you want to have your business that's generating money
- 6:37as well as your nice five. That's OK too.
- 6:40But the best way to feel secure in doing that is having that
- 6:42financial foundation and doing that, then having your 9:00 to
- 6:475:00. So while you're building your
- 6:49business. So let's go ahead and break into
- 6:51it. So I have a client who she got
- 6:55paid like a premium hourly rate for a 15 minute consultation
- 6:59call. She didn't have a website, no
- 7:01business license. It was just her brain.
- 7:02And so I'm going to share a little bit of how she did that
- 7:05and what that bills for her belief wise.
- 7:07But I just want, you know, you don't have to choose between
- 7:10like security of a salary or freedom of building something
- 7:13for yourself. And I really want to challenge
- 7:14you today because that's like a false, it's just, it's like a
- 7:17false narrative that we can only have one thing or the other and
- 7:20we can't have both. And there's a way to make it
- 7:23work for you. And so just know that you have
- 7:25already spent years because if you listen to this, I know you
- 7:28have amazing expertise and awesome career.
- 7:30It doesn't matter if it is five years, six years, seven years,
- 7:3310 years. I know that you have spent years
- 7:35already solving high level problems for companies, for
- 7:39organizations, for your team, for your boss, for your family,
- 7:43for your friends. And so the fact that you've
- 7:45already been able to calm, like solve complex problems, right,
- 7:48and help people on so many different levels, that'll
- 7:51already something that is your expertise that you have no idea
- 7:55is something that other people would pay a premium for.
- 7:58And so the only thing is missing is for you to, one, believe it
- 8:02and two, for us to translate those skills so you can kind of
- 8:04see it and be able to package it so people will purchase it.
- 8:08And so I want you to know this episode is dedicated to the
- 8:11person who has the expertise and has been wondering how to turn
- 8:14it into a business without completely burning everything
- 8:17down and giving up their job. This is we're going to breakdown
- 8:19for you. So Part 1 is the safety
- 8:22illusion. So the reason why you haven't
- 8:25started building your own business and going and pulling
- 8:27that out, it's not because you're too busy one more time.
- 8:31It's not because you're too busy.
- 8:32It's because you were told that safety only comes from, let's
- 8:35say, a paycheck, right? And since I already said this
- 8:37belief runs so deep, especially for women, women of color,
- 8:41first, second Gen. we feel like we must over function at our
- 8:45work to prove that we belong, right?
- 8:47Because we've been told if you work super hard, if you're super
- 8:50dedicated, you'll get to the next level.
- 8:52The next level, you'll be recognized, you'll be
- 8:54acknowledged. And that's The thing is, and
- 8:55then we start over functioning at our jobs, at our 9 to fives
- 8:59and we're leaving nothing for ourselves and for our own vision
- 9:04outside of work. So if you were giving everything
- 9:06to your job and you're leaving nothing left for yourself and
- 9:10your own vision outside of your job, you're going to be pretty
- 9:12tired, right? Of course, you're going to be
- 9:14too busy to build something for yourself because you are
- 9:16typically going above and beyond the work that you're doing at
- 9:19work. And so the thing that I want you
- 9:21to know is I want you to kind of reframe for yourself, like where
- 9:23am I giving free hours to my job?
- 9:27Where am I over indexing and giving free hours and energy to
- 9:30my job that could actually be utilized for my own vision for
- 9:34myself, for my business, right? And so I want you to think about
- 9:38that piece and I want you to reframe it.
- 9:40Is that like by over indexing at this job and overdoing at my
- 9:45current job, that is not proving that I belong because I'm
- 9:49already here, right? It's not proving that I belong
- 9:53and that I don't have to over index to showcase that I my
- 9:56worse, I do not have to over index to show my worth or to
- 10:01prove that I belong. And that safety is solely not
- 10:04from a paycheck, but also understanding your own
- 10:09expertise, your own strengths and how you can utilize that on
- 10:14your terms and on your timeline. If you want to turn that into a
- 10:17business, you have all that magic, all that, all the
- 10:20schooling, all the courses, all the training, all the education,
- 10:23all the podcasts, all the, you know, books that you're reading,
- 10:25all the things that you're consuming.
- 10:26You have all this expertise and why would you only bottle that
- 10:29up for one person to profit off of?
- 10:33So if you say you don't have enough time, I challenge that.
- 10:36It's so hard. And what I want you to think
- 10:39about is if you're to think about your time and the time
- 10:40that you give to your work first, the time that you give to
- 10:42yourself, are you happy with that?
- 10:45Does that feel good? Are there ways that you can
- 10:47actually kind of be a little bit more tight or regimented with
- 10:51the hours that you give your work and then you can set up
- 10:54start to buy back some hours for yourself, which ultimately will
- 10:57help your future self of what is that you want to believe and
- 11:00build? Because a lot of the times when
- 11:01we do say, I don't have time, my report always is, well, we make
- 11:06time for the things that are most important to us.
- 11:08We make time for the things we want to prioritize.
- 11:10And whenever we do have goals that we want to achieve, we have
- 11:15to build out our calendar to support those goals and take
- 11:19action during those time slots to go after those goals.
- 11:22So it really is something as simple as what do I want to
- 11:25achieve? Do I have the time dedicated to
- 11:28it and am I taking actions during that time to make it
- 11:32happen? And so that's where I challenge
- 11:34you. That's where I challenge you for
- 11:36that for sure. And so I want you to know that
- 11:39you don't have to, you don't need to do this like perfectly
- 11:42and right. You don't have to earn anything
- 11:44else like you have already earned it and it's just time of
- 11:47making it happen. So you have already solved
- 11:49problems that organizations pay probably what thousands,
- 11:52hundreds of thousands of dollars for, for them to utilize your
- 11:56expertise to fix things, to make money, to gain new clients.
- 12:00And so your expertise is already there.
- 12:02It's already been proven. You don't need to earn it.
- 12:04The right thing to do is just to know that you have earned this
- 12:07and now it's time to utilize your expertise for yourself and
- 12:11what you want to build for yourself.
- 12:13And so let's go ahead and dive into how to start this for
- 12:17yourself without having to burn everything down.
- 12:19We don't want you to become like a terrible employee while you're
- 12:22building your business. That's not the case.
- 12:24It's just being able to understand how you can actually
- 12:26simultaneously build both while you're doing that and that you
- 12:29don't have to leave your job and you can maintain that safety
- 12:32while you're going after what it is that you want.
- 12:34And so here are some steps that you can take to start working
- 12:37towards building a business for yourself while you're still
- 12:40collecting your patient from United 5 S the move.
- 12:43The first move you can do is get specific on one problem.
- 12:45So what is one problem that you can help solve?
- 12:49And I always think of it in this sense is like, what is a
- 12:51question that people always come to you for asking for advice?
- 12:54Who's always asking for advice on a certain topic?
- 12:56That's probably something that could resonate for you.
- 12:59So for example, I have one side who she was always being reached
- 13:02out to on how she is so good at doing growth for audiences, for
- 13:07apps, for myself personally, people were always coming to me,
- 13:10which I never thought about this of, Wait, how did you change
- 13:13industry so many times? Or how did you get to a
- 13:16promotion to, you know, an executive level at such a young
- 13:20age? And so when these questions
- 13:22constantly being asked of me of like, wait, you know, how do you
- 13:24do this? How do you do this?
- 13:26That tells me that's the one specific problem that people see
- 13:28me as an expert, whether you want to own that or not, that I
- 13:31know how to solve. And so I want to get really
- 13:33specific about not just I help with leadership or I just help
- 13:37with marketing. Think about what is the one
- 13:39thing that you've kind of helped transform for people?
- 13:41So is it expanding something of a market, like market expansion?
- 13:44Is it being able to like streamline operation of a
- 13:47business? Is it being able to build out
- 13:50teams? Is it being able to, you know,
- 13:53move projects through timelines on time?
- 13:55What is that thing that you do that people always come to you
- 13:58for? Because a lot of the times,
- 13:59especially for all of us who's listening to, who's listening to
- 14:02this episode, it's that you are typically the go to person at
- 14:05work all the time. So what are you the go to person
- 14:08at work for? That's one of the things I'll
- 14:10say. What do the go to person I work
- 14:11for or what are the questions are always asking you to either
- 14:13help on or what you do. And that's what I want you to be
- 14:16your specific problem that you're going to help with from
- 14:18building out your business. And you're like, Oh my gosh,
- 14:20well, I don't know if that lights me up or I don't know if
- 14:22that's the right thing or I don't know if that's why I want
- 14:25my business to be about. Listen, our businesses will go
- 14:29through many iterations and many phases.
- 14:31And so this is more a get up and to start to take action towards
- 14:34building your business. So have this be the pilot
- 14:37business for you that you're going to experiment and explore
- 14:40what it is you'll do. And the easiest way to get you
- 14:43moving from not having anything going to having something
- 14:46started is to get the specific one problem that you currently
- 14:49have or that you can solve that you're good at.
- 14:52So you can just get your butt off the couch and moving towards
- 14:55building something so you can change it later on.
- 14:57But this is a repeatable process and a format that you can
- 15:00follow. The second piece is I want you
- 15:02to explore who is that problem you're solving for?
- 15:05So for example, like are you solving this problem for
- 15:08founders of businesses? Are you solving this problem for
- 15:12career professionals? Are you solving this problem for
- 15:14insert who the person is that needs help with that problem
- 15:18that you have an expertise behind?
- 15:20And the goal is not to pitch. You're not pitching them
- 15:22whatsoever. The goal is for you to do market
- 15:24research. It's not a job search.
- 15:26And that completely change the energy of how you approach these
- 15:29chats. And why are you doing this?
- 15:30Because you want to listen to them and ask them questions and
- 15:33you're not selling to them. You're asking them, hey, like
- 15:36I'm looking to make a move into building a business or insert
- 15:40market growth, insert, you know, designing websites, insert
- 15:45consulting on operations. I'm curious for you as either
- 15:49like a founder, a business owner, insert name, you know,
- 15:52where are you getting stuck on things like what do you feel
- 15:55like you need help with most in your business?
- 15:57I'm trying to understand this as I grow my business of helping
- 16:01you know, people similar to you. And this is just part of that
- 16:04research for me of understanding like what is the biggest problem
- 16:07out there and that I can help personally solve.
- 16:09That's all that is. So what are you doing?
- 16:12You are really getting specific on your offer also who you help,
- 16:17what they need. And then here's the last case,
- 16:19the last piece is getting paid and then you can like build the
- 16:22rest later. A lot of us, we need like a
- 16:24website, a logo, we need the LLCXY&Z in order to get started
- 16:29and that's not the case whatsoever.
- 16:31The goal is for you to start to then build the belief of your
- 16:34expertise and that you can get paid for it.
- 16:36And so how do we do that? We do that by going ahead and
- 16:40having consultation calls, something so simple, right?
- 16:44You can do that by step one, joining a community that you can
- 16:47be a part of and doing a presentation on your skills just
- 16:51so I can get out there. And at the end creating an offer
- 16:53saying like, hey, for anyone who joined this, like I'm happy to
- 16:55do like a 15 minute consultation call with you post this, Just do
- 17:00what I personally advise to you. I'll go ahead and get you some
- 17:03lead generation going, get you an idea of some ideal clients
- 17:06and also get you an idea of what the problems are and how you can
- 17:08solve them. Then you can always convert them
- 17:10into a console, a full, you know, client from there on.
- 17:13But you can always kick off through a group or a community,
- 17:17share a workshop and then give them a little entry point of how
- 17:20to work with you after. So that's one way.
- 17:22Another way is of course being able to just put their out in
- 17:26your network and your existing network, letting your either
- 17:29friends or past colleagues know what it is that you're doing and
- 17:32if they have any feedback for you on what you're working on,
- 17:35they have insights on who potentially could be working
- 17:36with you. That's a great way to go ahead
- 17:38and generate some business. And all you need to do is land
- 17:41one. Once you land one, it starts to
- 17:44build this belief for you and this evidence for you that it is
- 17:47possible for you to do this. You're like, wait a minute, I
- 17:49just got paid to do that. I just had this knowledge
- 17:51sitting in my brain. And yes, yes, you can.
- 17:54And so I have a client who, you know, she was in the middle of a
- 17:57rework for her organization. And she was like, OK, the
- 18:00business is getting reworked. She had just finished getting a
- 18:02promotion. And she was kind of like, you
- 18:04know, just to kind of future proof myself, even though I've
- 18:06just gotten a promotion, I just know that this business is going
- 18:09to take a different direction. I want to build something for
- 18:11myself. And So what we worked on was how
- 18:14could she translate what her skills are currently at her
- 18:17company? What is it that she wants to
- 18:19focus on for future forward? And what is it that, you know,
- 18:22she wants to start solving problems on overall?
- 18:24So we got really clear on what is the problem she wants to
- 18:27solve? Who is it that she wants to
- 18:29help? She did the outrage in the
- 18:30market research, many with different founders talking to
- 18:33them. And by doing that, that itself
- 18:36generated opportunities for her to do some consulting.
- 18:39Then just talking to her because she already had the existing
- 18:41expertise. She just hadn't packaged it that
- 18:43way. She hadn't packaged it for
- 18:45fractional work. She hadn't packaged it that she
- 18:46could help people. And so just by us packaging what
- 18:49it is that she does, who she can help and creating a, a, a format
- 18:53around that and her having these market research chats just to,
- 18:56just to check in. They had already converted to
- 18:58becoming clients for her and for her to take on some work, which
- 19:01is awesome, right? And it's like, who doesn't want
- 19:02that? They're just from having
- 19:03conversations. And so I want you to know that
- 19:05like every interaction that she decided to take does not have to
- 19:09be about money, but a lot of the times ends up evolving into
- 19:12something new. And so she realized that through
- 19:14that wow, I don't have to leave my job to make this happen to
- 19:17she created the evidence for herself that she can make this
- 19:20happen. And then she also realized I am
- 19:22an expert at this. And she had known that to some
- 19:25level, but she didn't believe it.
- 19:26And so she did not need a brand. She did not need a website.
- 19:30She just needed evidence to believe in herself for that.
- 19:32And that's what this did. So I want you to know that this
- 19:36is possible for you. You do not need more credentials
- 19:39and you don't have to have some like perfect plan.
- 19:41You need to fully decide that you are going to allow yourself
- 19:44to own your value. And then you're going to make
- 19:46this happen for yourself. Because there are companies out
- 19:48there that are paying $10,000 a month for a fractional
- 19:51executive. And they're not paying for
- 19:53potential. They're paying for the fact that
- 19:54you already have this experience from your expertise, from your
- 19:57career of what it is that you do, and that is you.
- 20:00And so $100,000 business does not require you to quit your
- 20:03job. It just requires you.
- 20:04To know what you know is worth willing saying out loud and
- 20:08getting paid for and that you have been overqualified.
- 20:11Oh my gosh, you have been overqualified for this since day
- 20:14one. And so I really, really, really,
- 20:16really want you to know that this is you.
- 20:18And if you're like, oh, I'm not sure.
- 20:19I'm not sure if what I have done is enough or has enough impact.
- 20:23Like no, like straight up no, I don't believe you.
- 20:25And because we always look to undersell ourselves, we are our
- 20:29own harshest critics. And if that is something that
- 20:31you're feeling, then like come to me, we will figure it out
- 20:33together. That's why I work with women who
- 20:35are moving their way up throughout corporate, realize
- 20:37they want to build something for themselves.
- 20:39And that's what we do. We create a plan, OK, how are
- 20:42you going to feel safe and secure within your corporate
- 20:44job? And how do we build the plan for
- 20:46you to build the business outside of that, whether you
- 20:48want to do both simultaneously or eventually leave one to go to
- 20:51the other full time. And so that's the work that we
- 20:53do together. And so if you're ready to stop
- 20:56thinking and ruminating about your business and actually start
- 20:58building your business, then go to my website dannytan.com,
- 21:01that's DANIT am.com and book a discovery call.
- 21:04If you go to contact you click on that, book a discovery call
- 21:07with me and what does that look like?
- 21:08It's a 60 minute call. And for the 1st 30 minutes,
- 21:10we're talking about your goals, what it is you want to focus on,
- 21:13what kind of help you need, what challenges are coming up for
- 21:16you. And then I create a custom
- 21:17coaching plan for you so you feel supported throughout this
- 21:20process. And so with that, then you get
- 21:24to sign. Does it make sense to work
- 21:25together or doesn't it? And I always will be honest with
- 21:28you, if I feel like it's a good fit or if I feel like there's
- 21:30somebody else I can recommend. And so I highly recommend that
- 21:32you book a call just to learn. I mean, years ago, I was very
- 21:36unsure and uncertain for myself. I wanted to build something for
- 21:38myself. I didn't know what I wanted to
- 21:40build. I didn't know who I wanted to
- 21:42help. I didn't know what expertise I
- 21:43had. And I was like, should I be
- 21:46booking a call for myself? And when I did, I found out
- 21:49that, wait, I don't have to have all the solutions to go into
- 21:53coaching. I don't have to know exactly who
- 21:55I'm helping, how I'm helping them, or what my business is.
- 21:58I just needed to take the initiative to get started.
- 22:00And when I got on that call, I walked away realizing, OK, I
- 22:04know who I want to help. I want to help them and my
- 22:06expertise, OK, how do I start to believe that I can do it?
- 22:09And then how do I create the systems to make that happen?
- 22:10And that's what I do for you. And so if you are ready to make
- 22:14that happen, go ahead and do that and come tell me your story
- 22:16because I want to hear it. I know that you have amazing
- 22:18levels of expertise and I want to help you package that believe
- 22:21that and make it so. I will talk to you soon and have
- 22:25a good one.