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Raising Kids With AI: Assistant, Substitute, or Intruder? | Ep. 8 · Mathis Family Talks

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  Speaker 1: But it has affected my adult son, a mere so
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: much so. He and I took a picture with Hillary
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Clinton together and next thing, I know, that same picture
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: where we were just standing there posing. He has her
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: turn her face to me and looks up and we
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: talk kiss. You was making it appear to this if
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: if as if she was looking up and kissing me,
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: and we met lips, we kissed, and you.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: Thought that you actually did it.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, you said, when did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly my mom wouldn't talk to him no more,
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: Bill said. Bill sent the strike squad to the house.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: It was terrible. I'm just Greg Matthews.
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  Speaker 3: I am Lynda Man.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Matthew's Family Talks.
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  Speaker 4: Are all right, Welcome back to Mathi's Family Talks. Today
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  Speaker 4: we are talking about artificial intelligence and the growing role
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  Speaker 4: its plan and our families and our children's lives. Because
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  Speaker 4: AI can be a great two for everything from schoolwork
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  Speaker 4: to schedules and stories and advice and even emotional support.
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  Speaker 4: But there what does that help come at the cost
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  Speaker 4: of I think it's a great transition to what we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about today about when we're thinking in the context
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  Speaker 4: of history, what are we teaching our children? What are
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  Speaker 4: children learning through these platforms and through artificial intelligence? I
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  Speaker 4: think Amir has our first question that we were going
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  Speaker 4: to talk about. You know, there was a big hitline
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  Speaker 4: about the open ai CEO and what he's doing.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 6: Last week there was a thing with Sam Autman, who
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  Speaker 6: is the CEO of open AI, and basically he was
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  Speaker 6: promoting the uses of AI raising children.
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  Speaker 2: And with family.
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  Speaker 6: And what he did was he promoted the idea of
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  Speaker 6: linking family calendars and children's interests to chat GPT and
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  Speaker 6: suggests it that parents could create a custom podcast where
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  Speaker 6: the kids could listen to their schedules and what they
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  Speaker 6: have to do on the drive to school. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: while that might sound entertaining, a lot of people fought
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  Speaker 6: back and they were like, you know, when I drive
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  Speaker 6: my kids to school, I like to speak to them.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the only time if you're working nine to five,
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  Speaker 6: that's the only chance you get with their children. And
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  Speaker 6: so it's kind of people thought that he was a
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  Speaker 6: little bit kind of disassociated with reality in terms of,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the human connection that people need and whether
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  Speaker 6: AI is something is it? Is it something to help
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  Speaker 6: us or replace us?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me before we get there. I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I did with you guys. I know we
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  Speaker 1: don't have AI anymore, but I turned the music up
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  Speaker 1: as loud as I could.
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  Speaker 2: Talk. So I think that our car rides with Mama
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: MOS definitely, you know.
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  Speaker 7: I just really think that as a parent, you gotta
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  Speaker 7: take every opportunity you can to be able to interact
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  Speaker 7: with your kids and talk to them. And it's sad
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  Speaker 7: that somebody suggests that AI should be doing this and
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  Speaker 7: taking our place.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we know it's taking a lot of jobs.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to take my place, right.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw something where AI has there's an AI
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  Speaker 1: program that platform that allows you or it reads the
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  Speaker 1: Bible to your child at night to put them to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I might be alright with it if I'm laying there
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  Speaker 1: with the child or sitting there with the child, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm showing the same amount of interest and I'm perhaps
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  Speaker 1: having discussions with that child about it. Might even stop
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  Speaker 1: it and say what you think that was about, or
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  Speaker 1: make prompt discussions because we too stupid to know what
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  Speaker 1: the Bible.
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  Speaker 7: You need AI for that because you have a type
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  Speaker 7: of live Bibles that you know, read to the child.
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  Speaker 3: But it's about the questions they can be asked.
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  Speaker 7: Is that AI gonna give the correct answers as a
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  Speaker 7: parent that you want your child to hear.
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  Speaker 6: Well, let's go back to this certain topic. Would you
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  Speaker 6: all this day and age play a podcast for your
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  Speaker 6: grandchildren Nora in Zara taking them.
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  Speaker 2: Or picking them up from school?
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  Speaker 6: What type of podcasts about their schedule and their itinerary,
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  Speaker 6: what they're gonna be doing. You know, let's say your
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  Speaker 6: schedule and you pick them up from school, what do
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  Speaker 6: you do? You're take them the ice cream? You uh,
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  Speaker 6: they come over here, You make sure they have to
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  Speaker 6: do their homework, they have they know what dinner time
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  Speaker 6: is and all these things. They get into the car.
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  Speaker 6: The podcast goes, hi, Nora Zara, this is your itinerary
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  Speaker 6: for tonight. You're gonna go to get some ice cube
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  Speaker 6: and grandma and granddad, you're gonna go home.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna do three hours of homework there and.
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  Speaker 6: Study half dinner, and then your mom's gonna come pick
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  Speaker 6: you up at eight pm.
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  Speaker 2: Day.
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  Speaker 1: What they're gonna do first, they gonna look at each
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  Speaker 1: other and say, yeah, right, Well, listen yoh yeah, dad,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, grab oh yeah, all right, but no, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think I'm not there yet at all. You know,
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  Speaker 7: I don't agree with that. I think again the communication.
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  Speaker 7: I think children need communication with their parents. And I
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  Speaker 7: don't think at this point in time that I would
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  Speaker 7: want to replace me in to my kids in or
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  Speaker 7: grand kids.
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  Speaker 4: I got concerns just about the like when you think
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  Speaker 4: about the data that these companies are using to dictate
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  Speaker 4: what is happening in your children's lives, Like if I
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  Speaker 4: had kids, I don't know. I mean, I know this
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  Speaker 4: is the way the whole world is going, but like,
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know that I want to give companies
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  Speaker 4: that much access to my children.
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  Speaker 2: As they change, that's the rest of their lives.
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  Speaker 4: They're doing predictive and nowogy I mean, Aaron, I'm interested
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  Speaker 4: to hear your take because you know how this stuff
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  Speaker 4: works behind the scenes more than I do. But from
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  Speaker 4: what I understand, you know, I used to work in
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  Speaker 4: the US centered on healthcare policy, and we get a
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  Speaker 4: lot of work on just these models and making sure
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  Speaker 4: that they were equitable because they're just like your work,
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  Speaker 4: their algorithms. At the end of the day, So if
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  Speaker 4: we don't have the right people creating these algorith rhythms,
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  Speaker 4: what does that mean for our kids?
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  Speaker 5: Outsourcing you know, those private moments and those interactions. It
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  Speaker 5: it definitely has its pros and its cons. Like sometimes
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  Speaker 5: as a parent, that might be the only like quiet,
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  Speaker 5: organized moment that you have with your children. I know
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  Speaker 5: that for me my son, when I'm getting him ready
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  Speaker 5: for school, he's running around, he's got a goldfish in
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  Speaker 5: his hair, but by the time within the park at
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  Speaker 5: least he's got his bottle and his backpack, and it's like,
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  Speaker 5: that is a moment for me to breathe. So maybe
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  Speaker 5: turning on a podcast or something like that, maybe it
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  Speaker 5: could be like, Okay, he has some expectation for the day,
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  Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean that those things will actually happen
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  Speaker 5: unless you have somebody else who can facilitate those things.
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  Speaker 5: For sure, we could be late to Zacher practice, I
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  Speaker 5: might change my mind for dinner plans, Grandma might stop by.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think it's healthy necessarily to have something
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  Speaker 5: that says this is what's gonna go on for sure
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  Speaker 5: and have kids so used to that type of expectation.
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  Speaker 5: I could see some parents needed a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: moment after the rush of the morning. Sure, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And on the other side of it, I do think
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  Speaker 5: it's better to just have a conversation. My son's singing
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  Speaker 5: Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star and looking at the trees, So
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  Speaker 5: it's like I wouldn't want to miss out on that,
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  Speaker 5: just for AI to have some reflection.
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  Speaker 4: Should we be concerned about the robots all up in
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  Speaker 4: our kids business?
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  Speaker 5: They're already in your kids business. There's nothing up and
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  Speaker 5: don't already have. So I just operate, honestly as like
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  Speaker 5: there's no such thing as privacy anymore. That's kind of
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  Speaker 5: how I operate. I do the best I can, but
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  Speaker 5: I try to be very realistic.
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  Speaker 4: See, and that's difficult for me because I'm two steps
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  Speaker 4: short of a tenfoil hat, you know, man conspiracy theorist.
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  Speaker 4: I just we're past the point of no return in
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  Speaker 4: terms of our right to privacy and you know, being
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  Speaker 4: able to protect ourselves from this amount of data collection.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, yeah, they're too bad.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny though experience.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we talk about the riding the car, what
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  Speaker 7: we experiens we do give iPads out, Yeah, we turn
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  Speaker 7: on kiddie music, for them to sing when they have
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  Speaker 7: young children. So we do have other opportunities to have
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  Speaker 7: breaks from if we don't have the conversation going on,
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  Speaker 7: but to be to replace a parent with right, at
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  Speaker 7: this point in my life, I couldn't see a being
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  Speaker 7: replaced with AI telling you exactly what's gonna happen today
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  Speaker 7: when that parent is there to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when we go to school to pick up
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  Speaker 1: the grand babies, I notice you always give them a limit.
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  Speaker 1: The ride might be thirty minutes, forty minutes, Mama say,
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  Speaker 1: y'all have ten minutes. Then you have to get off timers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that that's a good strategy. See, let me ask what
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  Speaker 1: do you think of young people? And this is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned with, is already happening. I'm sure I don't
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  Speaker 1: know enough of watch enough, but I've been a victim
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  Speaker 1: of AI presenting my image and likeness in a distorted
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  Speaker 1: way or in an illegal way.
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  Speaker 3: Twice a wide way you did one time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're right, but I'm saying what was really me?
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  Speaker 1: It was actually it was the actual me. And so
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  Speaker 1: in this case, one was the young people, but in
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  Speaker 1: the other case was my son A Meir now, I
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  Speaker 1: know we're talking about teenagers, but and the effect on them,
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  Speaker 1: but it has affected my adult son a mere so
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  Speaker 1: much so. He and I took a picture with Hillary
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  Speaker 1: Clinton together and the picture was fine, he myself and
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  Speaker 1: Hillary in the middle like people take pictures. The next thing,
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  Speaker 1: I know, that same picture where we were just standing
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  Speaker 1: there posing. He has her turn her face to me
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  Speaker 1: and looks up and we talk kiss.
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  Speaker 8: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say, let's say on the cheek, Let's say.
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  Speaker 1: You was making it appear to this if if as
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  Speaker 1: if she was looking up and kissing me and we
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  Speaker 1: met lips, we kissed.
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  Speaker 2: And you thought that you actually did it. No, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: you said, when did that happen?
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  Speaker 9: That's exactly what my mom wouldn't talk to him no more,
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  Speaker 9: Bill said.
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  Speaker 2: Bill sent the strike squad to the house. It was terrible.
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  Speaker 1: And I say that to intro into the topic of
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  Speaker 1: how dangerous is it social media and in particular and
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  Speaker 1: AI of course, and for teenagers creating things to bully
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  Speaker 1: other teenagers or adults doing it to bully each other,
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  Speaker 1: to fame each other.
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  Speaker 4: Just distorting reality to completely distorting reality.
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  Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on that and how parents can my
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  Speaker 1: to that because a lot of this comes down to
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  Speaker 1: parent monitoring and we want to know what we should do.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's it's very much a disturbing thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Even back when I was young, unfortunately, I myself was exploited.
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  Speaker 5: There has been photoshop forever, so it doesn't even have
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  Speaker 5: to be AI. It's just enabling people to be bad
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  Speaker 5: actors at an even faster rate. And honestly, as a parent,
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  Speaker 5: having that open communication with your children and teaching them, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: if somebody says that you have to do something, talk
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  Speaker 5: to me, come to me, because there's nothing somebody should
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  Speaker 5: have you do that I don't know about. That isn't
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  Speaker 5: your teacher or somebody in your family that you trust,
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  Speaker 5: and that is an immediate circle that you teach them
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  Speaker 5: who to trust. It doesn't even take AI for the
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  Speaker 5: Internet to be dangerous, but AI makes it way more dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: I would say. One of the most recent things that
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  Speaker 5: I personally encountered was my unfortunately, my nanny. She is
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: a beautiful, gorgeous black woman in her seventies, and she
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: asked me, you know how I was doing with my
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: relationships and I said, hey, you know, I'm seeing someone.
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  Speaker 5: She said, me too. I said, oh, well, who are
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  Speaker 5: you seeing? And she showed me a picture of a
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  Speaker 5: very young white man and I'm like, oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 5: Have you chatted with him? Yeah? But it was grainy
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  Speaker 5: and you know I couldn't really see him because he's
• 12:26
  Speaker 5: on the oil rig.
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  Speaker 10: We've been talking for years and I'm like three years, wow,
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  Speaker 10: So tell me all about turns out this guy was
• 12:37
  Speaker 10: using AI to deep fake himself, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, oil on his face and everything. And he was
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: using AI conversation to generate responses to her that would
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  Speaker 5: feed into anything she said or what she was going through.
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  Speaker 5: And this person was attempting to exploit her with bitcoin
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  Speaker 5: ATMs And I'm like, what, I didn't even know we
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: howd ATMs for bitcoin? And it's just terrible the way
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  Speaker 5: that AI has supercharged dangers on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: Now that example, how did he go from just conversating
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  Speaker 1: with her and she doing the same to actually defrauding
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  Speaker 1: her by way of bitcoin?
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  Speaker 2: What type of fraud? What happened?
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: Oh? I want to come see you, but I can't
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  Speaker 5: afford it.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: God, lawyer, you know got it?
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  Speaker 5: He cost so much money, And like, but if you
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  Speaker 5: send it by bitcoin, then you know, I don't have
• 13:30
  Speaker 5: to worry about the lawyers trying to take it because
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: I owe them that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: We had a family member that was defrauded, or there
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  Speaker 1: was an attempt to defraud a family member alleging that
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: one of them had been kidnapped. The mother got all
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: the way to the bank before she was able to
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: be convinced that it was fraud. And so what could
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  Speaker 1: you tell families and parents we have a cold, We
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: have a family cold that if someone calls with some
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: emergency that involves money, then we say, what's the code?
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  Speaker 1: So ww can you instruct families and others to avoid
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  Speaker 1: being defrauded?
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a great idea right there. I think
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  Speaker 5: that is the number one thing that you can do. Now,
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  Speaker 5: keep in mind, like I said, they are watching, somebody
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: could find out that code, crack it, but really not
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: keep it fresh, you know, like maybe change it every
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: three months and have like a family meeting like this
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  Speaker 5: is our new phrase, this is our new code, or
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: you know, ask me about a certain topic and then
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: I will know if it's really you. So I think
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 4: The first thing I want to hear about I don't
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  Speaker 4: know about you all I want to hear just more
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: about this Chat black GPT. Yes, because that's fascinating to
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: me that you know, a young black woman as yourself
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  Speaker 4: has created this platform, and I'm just curious to hear
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: more about it.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Yes. So essentially, I saw after doing a
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: lot of research when I had time in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: three getting laid off from Meta, like so many thousands
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: of people, I had a lot of time on my hands,
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  Speaker 5: and I said, I'm going to continue to study tech
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  Speaker 5: and I'm going to dive into AI. So as I
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: was doing my research, I realized there was two narratives.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: There was one for mainstream, which was it's the best
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: thing since sliced bread, It's so amazing, and then there
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: was one for black folks. It's bias, it's racist, it's
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: erasing history. And I thought, how awful that I can't
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: have the same experience, and I thought maybe I could
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  Speaker 5: do something about it, and so I created Chat black GPT.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that you describe for us some of the features
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: and you know how we kind of get to it,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: give us a look, insight to it. How do our
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: viewers get turn out?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So when I started prototyping in the beginning, I
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: decided to go against what everybody said I could do
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: or couldn't do. So I thought about CHATGPT. Everyone's heard
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: of it, they have the mind share in the AI market,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: so I was like, what is going on with it?
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  Speaker 5: Why is it giving me answers? When I ask it
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  Speaker 5: for a short essay on black history that doesn't include Obama,
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  Speaker 5: that doesn't mention any massacres, that refuses to surface any
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  Speaker 5: information about the KKK that's all part of black history.
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  Speaker 5: They told me it's a black box. The data isn't there,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm like, black people have been on the Internet.
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  Speaker 5: There's no way that there's not enough information. So they
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: came out with customizables, and that is the point where
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  Speaker 5: I said, Okay, if you won't do it, I'll do
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  Speaker 5: it for you. And I designed an algorithm on their
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  Speaker 5: platform that surfaces and prioritizes black authored information, voices and
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  Speaker 5: doesn't suppress any of the narratives that it's actually designed
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  Speaker 5: to suppress for the mainstream, and twenty five thousand people
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  Speaker 5: are still using that prototype today. So I built out
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  Speaker 5: a platform on my own with my own engineering team
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  Speaker 5: as well. Because you never want to build your castle
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  Speaker 5: on someone else's beach and with that platform, it's in
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  Speaker 5: research and development. And what we're doing is benchmarking for
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  Speaker 5: common knowledge and social values of the black culture in America,
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  Speaker 5: because what is that? And how do we have a
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: standard instead of just giving a tool, like, let's set
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  Speaker 5: the standard for everyone else. So that's how I made it.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, you can access it anytime.
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  Speaker 2: It's free, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not a parent yet, the three of you, Mom, Dad,
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  Speaker 4: air in our parents, I think about life stages, the
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: stages of parenting, the joy that they bring, and just
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: the shift to technology and how that will impact traditions
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  Speaker 4: within families.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you would hold sacred?
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I guess that you definitely would not give up to
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: artificial intelligence.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I mean we talked a little.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Bit about like bedtime reading and how that's going to
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: become a capability. I mean, we have self driving cars
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that could take your kids. You have, but not even
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: a privacy question, a connection question, like what are some
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of the things you wouldn't be like, I'm not letting
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: ay a I do that with my kid.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: I think it depends on age most definitely. I think
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: it also depends on most definitely teaching a child to
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: use AI in a way that's helpful. I mean you
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: have privacy issues most definitely, and so what you insert
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: and what you tell AI is going to be what they.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Remember whatever source you're using.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: And so you do have to be cautious on what
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: you're putting inputting into the system. I mean, for whether
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: it be a child school to me schedule is really dangerous, that's.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: What I think. AI. Oh yeah, if.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: You're concerned about your child's projection.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: You know, because then it's like I think about does
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: it come to Okay, So now you know my kids schedules,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: their tendencies, their habits. So are you now using artificial
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: intelligence and data to market things to them, to try
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: and you know, sell things to them.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: That's conclusion. Yeah, yes, But it's like how do you fince?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Can you fince your kids off? And I guess the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: answer is.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: No, very very is getting very difficult too.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Who do you think should be most responsible? Is it
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the village as I think village meaning both doll three parents,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: government and AI companies, or is it one party or
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: another should be held accountable?
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Well, I think there was a famous phrase that machines
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: cannot be held accountable, so they should not make management decisions.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I think that that should apply to our lives, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: like they can't be held accountable, so they shouldn't be
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: in any type of situation where it is making a
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: decision or it is coming to a point where you're like, hey,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: should I do this or that with my child? I
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: think you should depend on your own like you know, family,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: like culture, like your people and your village to help
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: raise your children. And I don't think it should be
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: that pervasive where it's decision making. So I think that's
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: a point where we have to kind of like take
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: a step back.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: So, you know, let's talk about ordinary moments that we
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: had that kind of shaped our childhood and things that
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: could possibly be you know, taking away with AI, like
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: riding long trips.
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: And that has changed in cars, you know, not so
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: much with AI, but we've seen it transition from kids
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: looking out the window playing games with it came to
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: things around them, and it was replaced with again the
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: iPad with movies.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Now we're moving on to AI.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, we're talking about them talking to our kids
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: right now instead of us talking to them. So no,
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't want to replace those things. You know, we
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: laugh and talk with the kids right now.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: What was that game? Our grandkids in the car?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Drop top?
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they have a game. They didn't want us to
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: play with them. They said, we're not allowed to play convertible.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: You pick out the convertible drop top?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, genifying cards around them.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: They had three cars, a drop top or was it
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: a clog? Uh huh, So they would identify these things.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: It was cute because they're being stimulated with what's around
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: them instead of looking down at a device to play
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: with you all.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and am in cute little
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: games or what do you see?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: And try and describe something other person.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: And I just feel like that's a lot more engaging too.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: It's like you're you know, it's connecting, You're engaging. Like
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: that was fun. We used to sing songs about what
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: we were gonna eat for dinner and come and like
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: use our creativity, our own creativity to come up with
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: songs and play games. And it's like, Okay, if you're
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: lying on AI for all of that, do you lose
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: that part of your humanity?
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I want to get some honest I want to get
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: some honest assessment of what y'all thought of me, because
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I know all I love to hear myself talk. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: guess that's what people would say when you like to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: talk a lot. So we used to do those thirty
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hours with one night over at the hotel, trips to Florida.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: From Detroit to Florida, drive twelve hours, sleep, drive another
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: twelve we're in Florida. Well, I'm not sure how much
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I talked then, but that was one of the times
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in which we spent so much time in a car
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that we had nothing to do but sing and talk
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to each other and communicate. So then I talked to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: when when you had no thirty hours? No, you actually
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: said exactly what you did.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You would turn the music up and we would singing, okay,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: and you were singing and the music would be blasting.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: From what I remember, with everybody who watched the Mass Singer,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they know I can sing. I went to the semi finals,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: so it makes sense that I sing in the car,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and that's what prepared me to be on national television singing.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you go to the finals?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I was glassed that same push.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: They don't remember the bad song.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: They supplied the songs, and they gave me a bad song.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But hadn't they gave given me the type of song
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that we used to hurst together on those thirty hour
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: trips to Florida. No doubt I'd been the one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: We weren't rehearsing. We had that we were in the
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: audience of a show. I was gonna say, you asked
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: why he didn't win?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: You know of those car rides?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but oh yeah, no, that's one of the things
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: we did that I always remember.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: That was chairsh I always cheer ride.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: All right, you all, let's go to Now we're gonna
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: play game. And basically this is a game called assistant
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: substitute or intruder. I don't know if Dad's gonna remember
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: those three words, so you can just say, okay, it
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: helps or it's bad if you forget that. But it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: assistant substitute or intruder.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, So first one AI organizes the family calendar, chores,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: meals and grocery lists. Is that helpful support or is
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: that too much control? Remember that assistant substitute or intruder.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: I think it's helpful because that's a parent more than
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: likely who is in putting that information as opposed to
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: a child.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: MM, I want to.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Know why you would say three words three words? Why
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: y'all don't believe.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Because you always because you always say your memory is terrible.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: You don't remember anything, So that's part of anything.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Were right ahead.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Now. The question is I would view it as an
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: assistant Okay, for sure, I agree.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: I would love to have that grocery list, yes for me,
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: But how do you do that? You would input the
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: recipes or what you want to cook that week and
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: it would tell you what you need.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I want to know. Though, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: can have an assistant sign of NDA. Can you have
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: chat GPT sign You.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Can have your information secured for an extra cost.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're going Yeah, I.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Was subpoenat a bowl. It is. There's no You're not
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: going to be able to hide if you needed. You
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: can't even erase it if you needed to.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that. You can get like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: chat GBT business.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can apply just like you know, GOV cloud,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: secure cloud. But yeah, it's not gonna keep your secrets
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: I don't think so, and I think people they don't
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: realize no one ever reads you know the terms of use.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: But it says because.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: One time, look the judge doesn't even read all of it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Backfires on me. I've met so much stuff. I drink
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: too I eat, I take too much matters because I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: didn't even read that direction, let alone taking something and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: putting it together and taking it apart. I got at
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: least three electron to gives upstairs you all have given
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: me over the years, and it's too intimidating for me
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to put together because everything I had to read, all
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: those disclaimers and directions forget about it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I started using let's say, for example, photoshop on Chat GBT,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: and I read the terms of the agreement. But what
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I did was instead of reading, I just copied and
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: pasted it and put it into Chat. I said, you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: what is this? Explain explain this to me, it said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: I said, can they share my data? And it said
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: that if you agree to this, basically you allowed them
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: to use everything that like your photos that you're using
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: photoshop with with AI and all these things you're allowed
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: to use, they're allowed to use it your data to
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: build a profile of you and share that profile intact
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: to learn and there's no other way I could use it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: and so I just agreed to it because there was
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: no opt out. And I think that, like you said, Aaron,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: you just have to accept that your information is being Let.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Me ask you if you asked chat GPT to engage
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in some freakiness and they give you direction on how
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to engage in this freakingness you're interested asking about, Yes,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you're interested in you're interested in?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Explain freakiness. What do you consider a freakiness? Its got GPT.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: When they up to the person this doesn't even say,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't stay on your chat GPT where they told you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: things and somebody has viewed what it is you like
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: on the.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Chat GPT asked yes, and also there's in cock you
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: don't know where it says.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So I saw a documentary. Yes, you gotta be glad.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Let's just wait crazy list te leaks start happening in fifteen.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: I saw crazy I watched the documentary on the Idaho murders,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: you know, and they had this one part where they
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: said that the you, the guy went an incognito mode
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: on his phone to prevent people from seeing what he
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: was looking at. But they said, what people don't know
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: is that it's still leading behind a trail, so it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: none of everything is out there nothing and think about it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: I watched Edward Snowden the movie the other day just
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: to get a refresh.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: They know everything, they're inside everything.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: He already told us everything. And they claim they repealed
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: those programs. Okay, they repealed, they repealed, they repealed the rules,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: which they just changed the rules where they're allowed to
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: use the same things.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Because there's no way that if they don't want to
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: hear learn change anything, they wouldn't do.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: So next one your child comes home upset after racially
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: charged common at school and the parent asked chat GPT
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: how to formulate a culturally informed response to their child.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Is that AI an assistant, a substitute.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Or an intruder in your opinion?
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: In yeah, I think as a parent you should be
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: able to formulate your own.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Advice for your child because it needs to be personalized.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: It needs to be personalized for your child, needs to
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: encompass things that you have in your household or talk about.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: People would say AI can personalize. I don't agree with them.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Not why because I say, look, when you have a
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: child and something happens, what do they recommend like you,
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: you want to read a book about it, You want
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: to learn about what they're how.
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: To tell you their insensitive to the black experience.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: So why are you going to ask them.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: What I'm going to I'm going to go to black chat? Well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: he said Ai. The question was Ai AI black chat
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: GPT is AI.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: And so I believe that, yes, you can look up
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: options of how to speak to them because a lot
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: of parents, they didn't grow up in home households where
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: they learn how to properly have these conversations, and they
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: never learned that.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So it's an easy way, it's a resource. Zero. Did
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I know you hit it right on the head.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I had never had any conversations with my mother and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: never had a dad, So all my mother was doing
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: is control. She was controlling four boys as a single mothers.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So we didn't have those individual conversations. And I'm noticing
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that it became a generational thing in one of the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: flaws that I believe I've had. But I think the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: reason I don't agree, I think it's an assistant because
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: we are not totally informed or not, and we can
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: get information that we don't know that will be beneficial
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to that conversation. It may list some best practices that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you know. It may not say it's best practices or what,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: yet it does say the same.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: You suck it up.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Then then then I'm going to the next AI.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That's why I would only go far that you not
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: not assisting, because I would use it maybe as a reference.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But I couldn't go first.
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: And I lived in that environment because I moved from
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: one one area to an area that was one hundred
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: percent well, i'll say nine nine percent white before from
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: black Schooze Ford. I moved to area that was nine
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: nine percent black. So my parents had to talk to
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: me about race because I was called names on the
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: way home, and so that was a conversation in our house.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: We didn't have AI then, and so I as a child,
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: I enjoy hearing that from my parents because it gave
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: me some type of but you said, just getting advice
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: from them.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It's still gonna come from the parents, But it gave me.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Just you know, just my parents and talking to me
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: about it as opposed to it's comforting.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: It was comforting, But I think that where your parents
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: got it right. Another parents first reaction could be like, well,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: the world ain't fair you're gonna have to suck it
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: up things like that, just that no, no, I'm saying,
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: And so you don't want people to say that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: That happened to A user of mine came up to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: me and shared that her daughter was told don't I
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: don't want to play with you, go play with your
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: black friends. And she used my app to try to
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: help her daughter feel better, not because she didn't know
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: the answer, but because she was re traumatized in that moment,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: trying to help her child, but reliving her own experiences
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: and her own unhealed inner child. So the app also
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: gives you a little bit of reprieve. And because chap
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Black GBT is culturally designed to understand the black lived experience,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: and also it's designed to surface books that will help
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: you understand your search. So it's like giving you information
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: that brings you back to the real world, but also
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: validating your experience and giving you a variety of options.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: And so I think that it can be a really
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: good assistant.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: So we have to use the right AI tool, Yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: the right questions the tool, you know, because different models
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: have different information on it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, So let's do this one. We have two more.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: The AI voice reads the bedtime story while the parents
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: grows on the phone. Assistant, substitute or intruder, intruder, that's intruder, intruder.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: That's no connection to me. If you're on your phone, yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Because if I'm right there with you and you are.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an intruder. But then but then okay,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: so I had a question.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Then what about when you're but okay, it's intruder. So
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: then it's a television and intruder because I've been over
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: plenty of parents homes and they put on what's these shows?
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: The little YouTube little you know, the teletoviy's was my
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: was my generation, but stuff like that, and they walk
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: away and you glued to the But I.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: Would say, a bedtime story, and I guess that's the
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: imagination that I that you think about it with.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It's a personal experience.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: That you have with the child when you put them
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: to sleep, rather than when you put the TV on
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: for them. You know, you should never put a TV
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: on for a child to go to sleep. That's just
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: not good parenting. And so you can put the TV
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: on to distract them for the moment, but tucking them
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: into sleep is the same thing as taking them to
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: school in the cars.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: It's the old time tradition, you know, and parents are
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: known to read lovely bedtime stories to their children.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: And we look at it right now that ooh you
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: place it?
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: That is, But what's gonna happen five years from now
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: we might be doing something like that.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: Last one and this one, I thought it was a
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: great one. A child tells an AI chat box a
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: secret and asks to keep the secret from the parent.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Now is that assistant, substitute or intruder? That's an intruder
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: And I don't think legally that an AI chatbot should
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: even be allowed to do that. And I know even
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: with YouTube they have like the version. You know, all
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: these apps typically have a version for minors.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they have that with AI apps yet,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: but I I feel like they absolutely need to.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Of course, you know, I say intruder, But my whole
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: direction has been, like I say, experients need to parent.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: And I know it's going to move.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: AI is going to be become a very big part
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: of our lives, but I.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Think we need to take it slow and we can't
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: do experience.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And what do you think about that?
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: One?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Eron?
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, definitely intruder. I try to any even young person
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I encounter, I try to help them get in the
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: mindset that AI is math, not magic, not a real person.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: It is just math. It's just guessing what you want
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: to hear next by probability.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It is not wow, that's a good way to put it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: good way to understand. It is math that just comes
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: up with what the probabilities are to the questions you're asking.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I like that good enough. Now I know what to say.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I've been using all type of words in all type
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of definition. I'm glad you've told because a lot of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: times I talk so much and folks that he don't
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: know what he's talking about.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: So I have a question, Aaron, because we have talked
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: a little bit, I feel like, or at least me,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I focused on the negative parts of AI a little
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: bit and the harm that it could cause. I mean,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: when we look at human history, I think there's always
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: been biased, there's been racism, and we've treated each other
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: in ways that hasn't been acceptable. Do you think that
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: AI actually has the potential to be a great level
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: set where it's actually maybe less biased than humans are
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: towards each other, and it takes you know, kind of
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: the bigotries that we have towards each other away and
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: puts us on a more even playing field.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: It depends on what kind of field you're talking about.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: I heard recently about a person who was illiterate who
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: want a writing contest and got like twenty five dollars.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: See, I'm not going to see I'm not using it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: I'm not using this up right, I'm not using it right.
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: That's what you have, twenty five thousand. Now, that's what
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: these folks want to know about that. We'll do that
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: in an entire different episode. Now, have you back for
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: another episode.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: On how we can do the power some money or
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: resultant money?
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Like you wrote your ninety page play this said I'm
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: going to submit to a competition with what I got
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: from chat.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Ept time comes back saying, now, I think this is
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: our final question, and that is can you put eight
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this is AI? I've seen that before. But is that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: mandatory or can it be mandatory? Where they list on
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the video on the picture this is AI?
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: It is mandatory depending on what platform you're using. On YouTube,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: I believe it's mandatory that you mark your content AI
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: generated if a certain percentage of your content is actually
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: a generated and other platforms like LinkedIn, it's depending on
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: a lot of community like there's a new feature where
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: you can report this looks like AI slops. So there
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: is a variety of ways that it can be you know, identified,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: But it depends on the platform you're using and how
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: they enforce.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: It and correct me if you know I'm wrong on
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: this errand But from what I understand is that Europeans
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and the European Union it's a lot more aggressive on
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: policing AI and protecting their citizens' data. They actually do
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: have a law in France at least, if not in
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: the entire European Union that does require if you use
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: AI in your work and you post it publicly, you
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: have to identify that it's been altered with artificial intelligence.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: And they do a lot more to protect their information
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: from companies. There's a I think it's GDMR or something
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: like that, a long they passed in the European Union
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: where you know, you have to disclose what data you're
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: collecting every step of the way, you can only use
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: it for certain purposes.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: We don't have none of that over here.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: No, we have huge lack of AI governance here but
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: that is by design, that is not an accident.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: Aaron, as a new parent yourself, and with all the
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: input and insight you have on AI development, what do
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: you suggest parents do for their children, For young children,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: especially under five years.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Old, Yeah, actually I suggest that they read a book
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: like this that might show up backwards, but it's good. Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: oh great, Yeah, we can see it called. It's called
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Computers and Thought. And what I think parents should realize is, actually,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna have you guests. When do you think this
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: book was written. It's called Computers and Thought. It's a
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: collection of works by different people about AI. What year
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: do you think this book was written?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty nine.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: I'll go with the sci fi and say probably was
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: written in the in the fifties.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Nineteen sixty three. This book was published. AI not new,
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: our access to it new. I need people to understand
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: even when you're looking at Elmo and you're seeing the
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: cell phone. I don't know if you've watched Elm more
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: recently the new episodes have what do we do when
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: we want to learn something new? We look it up
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: and it's got this little cell phone that comes out,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: and it's like, we want to teach our kids to
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: rely on cellular devices that young I think maybe no,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Then you also have SpongeBob. Did you guys watch SpongeBob
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: when you were younger?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's one of my favorites.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think about Plankton. His wife is Ai. It's
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: an Ai bot literally, And I think about did that
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: normalize this for millennials? Is that part of like how
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: and why we're able to kind of meld it into
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: our lives a little bit less? Like are those small
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: subliminal things when we're younger making a difference in our
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: adult lives and how we navigate. So I would say,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: educate yourself, understand how it's impacting your life, and as
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: a black person, you need to know how to protect
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: yourself from it. Whether that's it in hiring and teaching
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: your kids, like, hey, maybe you need to work on
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: relationships a little bit more if they're younger kids that
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: are looking for a job, you know, teens out there,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: but even just going even younger, careful what kind of
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: TV shows you watch? What are they normalizing? What are
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: they showing you over and over again? So I think
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: it's a personal journey, but it starts with educating yourself
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: and understanding how you're impacted by the technology.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like we should talk about a few
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: rules that you using your own house with AI and kids.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: I know for me, you know again, I'm the one
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: that's a little bit more wary of all the technology.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to hear what you all would and would
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: not allow AI to do in your household, or maybe
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: like a family set of rules of like Okay, here's
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: what we would do, and here's what we would never do,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: and here's how we use AI in this household.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: I think for me it's more so because you can't
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: take away the access to it because that you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: it's very important that you know the new generation to
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: be honest, that you know, you learn it how to
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: use it in a good way. But I think that
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: you just keep mindful and you teach your children from
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: day one, and as an adult, you're mindful that you
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: don't do things that takes away your relationship with the child.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: You use it, like we said, as an assistant, how
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: to assist your life, not replace it. And I think
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: that that's the biggest thing for me, is using AI
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: as a tool and not as something to replace who
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: you are.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's very true as an assistant, and
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: I think is important for parents to just encourage a
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: kid is Okay, we have this tool right here, which
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: is AI, but there's other research tools too, and yeah,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: you might get information from AI, but also to use
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: other things to verify, to expand on and just not
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: using that one source.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's a good point because there's several sources out there
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and you get a hold of the wrong source, uh,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you got it backfire and it causes problems. But the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: best way I think families should use it is to
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: get information on the how to stuff.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Is important to me.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of my life has been built on how
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to Uh these how to books. I'm gonna tell you,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I had books and books freaky about the freaking.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: How how to do to be freaking? How to be
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: freaking book there how to be Freaking that's AI.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So uh, that's what I think is important, is the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: information they can get off of it. Family, you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and if you have a family dispute, I know it
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: sounds corny, but how do you resolve a dispute where
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: one person in the family this and the other person
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: in the family that maybe some empirical data from psychology
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: or from experts. Give me some empirical data from experts.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: They say, couples and a lot of people are using chat,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: GPT and artificial intelligence as their therapist.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: What do we take? I think I actually think it
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: could be a neutral.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: You just have to But I think that some people
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: aren't honest entirely, and so they're you know, the chat
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: GPTs or the AI's recommendation is based on a biased
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: point of view. Because if I, you know, you're not
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: telling the child, you're not telling the AI. I was
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: kind of I said this in a certain tone where
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: it could have been disrespectful. It's you know, somebody could
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: have yelled at somebody and I told them nicely, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: or I didn't even raise my voice and I told
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: them this and they responded with that. So the AI
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: doesn't have the full information. The licensed therapists can dig out, yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: and ask you questions and get the truth out of
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: you for like a the right answer.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's what we're talking about them.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: No one could you imagine running the chat GPT if
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: y'all got into it, Like, how do we resolve this?
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: I've used it, I've used it in for sure, just
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: a bit helpful, yeah, absolutely, but also in terms of
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: like how do I respond to this where it doesn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: sound this way?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Things like that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: I've definitely but not saying like, you know, trying to
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: blame someone else for something is more like how can
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: I get this over to someone that won't sound this way?
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Offensive?
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: The courts are, isn't it. They have tone meters in
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: a family wizard now, so if you're replying to somebody
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: that you're co parenting with and it sounds aggressive, it
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: will tell you and then it will rewrite it for you.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Well, that is interesting. That's really interesting.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Well that happens to me when I try and make
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: comments on the social media stuff, when people say.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: The Instagram tells you you can't leave this at all
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the time. All they denied me.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: All comic sounds very aggressive.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I guess I don't leave those topic. I mean
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'll be threatening people and everything. Look, I mean like
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: give me your ancess. This is only Aaron when they
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: talk about my daughters that and that makes me very
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: confrontational post Jade or post Kamar and they're like, uh,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I'd like to such as such, Oh no, what what
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: what what what? We can't let you say that that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: is pull that is illegal.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: But no, that's one of the things I see a current.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me, the things that I would
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: definitely be okay with using AI for. It's like planning,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: maybe some tutoring, like use it for your creativity, use
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: it for your bait and baseline research is like an encyclopedia,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Robbie nervous is like if you using it to do
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: all your schoolwork, because I think it's important for you
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: to actually learn and know what you're doing and adjust
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: that information. Advice is a little wary too, especially if
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: you're giving my child advice and then just being protective.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Of the data.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I definitely would not use it for anything love related,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: So I ain't using it for my therapist. I might
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: use it just make sure I'm saying things in the
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: right way, but not to dictate how I love or
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: my values. Okay, like that emails, text messages, so I'm
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: gonna do that from the bench.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So crazy GPT exactly when.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing a case on television and they give their
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: testimony and it bothers me or annoys me, or I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: know that they're being disrespectful toward me or the liitiquans.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: So I just take a second and me or you talk.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: At that point when I'm on the bench and I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: gotta look at ai, is I gotta give a nice
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: answer and not call the person to crackhead, not talk
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: about the person badly. I'll just let you talk and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: then I'll say, how do I tell this person to
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: go to hell in a nice way?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Who leg lawyer here? Is that? Is that? How is
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the Bar Association feel about that? Well?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: The Judicial Tenure Commission to appreciate any of this over
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the talent adjudication. We are retired judges and allowed therefore
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to entertain I got you. We don't have a bide
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: by the rules of professional god, else me and Judy
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: would have been off business bar.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: The judges are above the law. Then let's close it
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: out with your thoughts.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Eron, uh yeah, about family and what my limits are like.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I would like aj my son, my one year old son,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: to use it how I use it, and that is
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: to build things, to invent things, to stretch their things
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: thinking improved critical thinking, challenge oneself, help him create more
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: than what he's used to creating, and just compound his thoughts,
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: and I would want it to expand his creativity and
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: function as a partner, you know, never as a parent,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: but as a partner. So I want him to remember
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: the original CHATGPT is Mom, what's this? What's that? Should
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: I do this? Can I do that? It's mom, it's dad.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: That's the original GPTs. So I think that would be
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: my family rules is just to remember to trust in
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: the people you know and see and feel, and you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: to use AI to help you become more of you.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you, you've done a great job and we appreciate
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: all the knowledge you've given to us and to the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: viewers and listeners and chat black.
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: Chat GPT y'all chat black Chat Chack like you talk
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: black talking, black talk black GPT GPT y'all got it altogether.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Now one two three, chack black GPG go to that platform.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Today we talked about how AI is affecting our families
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: and our children and the social media in general.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lawsuit.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: That was fouled by several attorney generals from states throughout
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the country that alleged that Meta was causing harm to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: our children. That lawsuit was granted. The judgment was granted
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: towards the Attorney General. The judge concluded that it was
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: harmful to our children metas social media platform. It'll be appealed,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: no doubt, and who knows where it we'll go from there.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: But I guess the question is who is responsible for
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the ai supervision of our children and how it affects
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: our children and our families. Is it the family? Is
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: it the government? Is it the corporation? Well, I think
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it's a mixture of all three. As we often like
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to say, it takes a village to raise a child,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: So that's the parent that is, of course the institutions
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: that regulate that. The government regulates that because it needs regulation,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: because corporations are only interested in profit making, maximizing profits,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and we have to force them in many instances to
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: be good, good corporate partners. And so we hoped they
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: are engaging in discussions that will lead to good corporate
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: citizens providing protections for the children that we need to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: make sure are not negatively and destructively influenced. And we
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: need to educate the parents more, and we need to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: press our elected officials more to protect us and our children.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And that's my verdict.