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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: "Your (Eagles) Pass Game Has To Become Much More Than What It Is" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Inside the Tape with Adam Kaplan
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Speaker 1: and the great grayco Self of NFL Films and NFL
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Speaker 1: Matchup Show. By the way, you better watch it on.
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Speaker 2: The ESPN over the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Right, good to.
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Speaker 2: See it, Adam, what's happening? All right?
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Speaker 1: Well, since it's an inside the Tape on the Eagles,
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a little different. We did this
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Speaker 1: over the holidays, over the Christmas holiday, So because it's
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Speaker 1: their last game, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: an extended look, but more discussion.
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Speaker 2: There's not gonna be any tape this.
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Speaker 1: Time, but we're gonna go over what you saw, but
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get this gives us more time to go
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Speaker 1: more in depth about not only what you saw in
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Speaker 1: this game, obviously, but just a microcosm of the seed
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Speaker 1: season positive or negative. We want to get into that
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Speaker 1: and may even get into a word if we have time,
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Speaker 1: about this weekend's divisional games. But Greg, I know you
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Speaker 1: watch the game at home, then you're watch an twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Was it what you thought when you got in your
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Speaker 1: office Monday morning?
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Speaker 2: You know it's always different when you watch the all
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Speaker 2: twenty two because TV doesn't really give you a true
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Speaker 2: sense of everything that's going on, you know. I thought
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Speaker 2: it was interesting the way the Eagles started the game,
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Speaker 2: which was not a surprise to me. Eight of their
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Speaker 2: first twelve plays through their first two possessions were Barkley runs,
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Speaker 2: and that did not surprise me at all. That's who
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Speaker 2: they are as a team. They're not really a passing team.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about that, you know, and I keep reminding
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Speaker 2: people that that was the case one year ago as
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Speaker 2: well when they won the Super Bowl, that they were
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Speaker 2: not really a passing team either. But because they won
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, people just assumed they were great in
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Speaker 2: every area. So I was not surprised at all by
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Speaker 2: the way they they came out and played and chose
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Speaker 2: to play in terms of approach, you know. Again, and
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Speaker 2: they ran reasonably well in the first half of the game.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Barkley, I think at fifteen for seventy one
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Speaker 2: in the first half, and Bigsby had a couple of
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Speaker 2: runs as well, so they you know, it almost looked
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Speaker 2: like the Eagles. But their O line is just not
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Speaker 2: good enough. It's just ultimately not good enough to be
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Speaker 2: able to play that way as a foundation of their
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Speaker 2: offense and what really stood out to me, And I
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Speaker 2: hated to see it because you hate to just pinpoint
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Speaker 2: one guy. But I thought Jurgens really played poorly. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's injured and he's you know,
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Speaker 2: playing but it doesn't matter, or if ultimately he's not
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Speaker 2: as good as they thought and they signed him and
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Speaker 2: he's their guy, but he certainly did not have a
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Speaker 2: good season.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get started with that right now. We'll get
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Speaker 1: in the run blocking and pass blocking. But you've told
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Speaker 1: us for many weeks at Jurgen's struggle. Now, I remember
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Speaker 1: he's had the back problems, he's had surgery, he had
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Speaker 1: injury problems lower body, were told going back to Nebraska,
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Speaker 1: But as you said, the Signetra extension, he's also had
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Speaker 1: some really good tape prior to the season.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Hope here is.
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Speaker 1: Greg, he gets a all season, no surgeries, just re
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Speaker 1: just feel good about your seat without having your backwork
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Speaker 1: done or anything else. But other than that, the other
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Speaker 1: guy is Lennon Dickerson. Greg, how did he look in
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Speaker 1: this game? If you noticed them?
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Speaker 2: I didn't notice him in a negative way in this game.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to you know, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: sit here and say I noticed him in a positive
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Speaker 2: way where he was just mauling people, but I certainly
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Speaker 2: didn't notice anything negative about him. Jurgens really stood out.
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Speaker 2: But you know, the Eagles run game in the first half,
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Speaker 2: it was diverse, it was multiple as far as concepts.
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Speaker 2: You know, it looked pretty good. You know. The problem
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Speaker 2: with that, of course, as you know, and certainly Barkley
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Speaker 2: had the twenty nine yard run, I think on the
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Speaker 2: second play of the game. But the run game, unless
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Speaker 2: you're getting explosive runs, which of course seemed to be
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Speaker 2: weekly a year ago, unless you're getting explosive of runs,
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Speaker 2: as you well know, the run game doesn't necessarily produce
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Speaker 2: explosive plays. It can produce the staining plays and maybe
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Speaker 2: once in a while on explosive play, but it doesn't
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Speaker 2: produce explosive plays in the same way in which a
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Speaker 2: pass game does.
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure and conceptually especially so one other thing with
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Speaker 1: on that twenty nine yard run, we had some people
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Speaker 1: ask us this was it because it looked like inside
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Speaker 1: he didn't have it, and then he broke it outside
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Speaker 1: and obviously he got down he was it block well
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Speaker 1: enough or he just he.
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Speaker 2: Well, he just saw what happened was it was an
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Speaker 2: inside run and the Niners just squeezed inside so far
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Speaker 2: on the edges that the edges it just opened up,
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Speaker 2: and Barkley saw it and just broke outside. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: meant to go there, but he just read read the
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Speaker 2: defensive flow hard inside and saw that there were space.
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Speaker 2: Although I will say one thing, and I actually mentioned
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Speaker 2: this to my matchup guys today and they agreed with me.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think Barkley looked as explosively fast when he
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Speaker 2: got out in space. And I even thought that when
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Speaker 2: I saw it live on TV.
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Speaker 1: Now, would you say, as an overview of the season,
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Speaker 1: let's leave at the numbers, just let's go by your tape,
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Speaker 1: the tape steady your two eyes. Did you feel he
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Speaker 1: looked as explosive as last season?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: And hell so, just I mean, that's just an eyeball thing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no like, that's not you know, a
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Speaker 3: mathematical equation. I can't give you a number, but I
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Speaker 3: didn't think he looked quite the same. Now, he certainly
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Speaker 3: didn't look slow. It's not as if he's slow in plotting.
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Speaker 3: But I just I just didn't feel like he looked
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Speaker 3: exactly the same as he did a year ago, when
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Speaker 3: it seemed as if when he got first to past
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Speaker 3: the first level of the defense, it just seemed like
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Speaker 3: you knew a big play was coming, and it just
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Speaker 3: didn't seem that way this year.
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Speaker 1: Past protection of this game, how did you think it
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Speaker 1: held up over time?
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Speaker 2: I think four quarters, for the most part, I didn't
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Speaker 2: think past protection was a problem at all. They faced
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Speaker 2: a team that for the most part does not rushed
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Speaker 2: the quarterback, and I didn't think pass protection was a
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Speaker 2: problem at all.
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Speaker 1: In fact, wouldn't you say over the course of the
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Speaker 1: season it was fairly solid.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, And I actually think in past protection
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Speaker 2: Fred Johnson did not do a bad job at all,
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Speaker 2: you know, because he ended up playing almost half the season,
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Speaker 2: and I didn't think he was a liability.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a pleasant surprise because you don't quite know,
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Speaker 1: and he wound up starting I think seven at left tackle,
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Speaker 1: won at right tackle. You don't know when you stick
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Speaker 1: a backup in there, how's he going to do over
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Speaker 1: the course of time. This is a saying backups could
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Speaker 1: probably help you for three to four games, but more
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Speaker 1: than that you're asking for trouble. But over so you
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Speaker 1: thought he did fairly solid job.
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Speaker 2: Over Yeah, I didn't think he was a liability. I mean,
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Speaker 2: obviously we're not going to compare anybody to Lane Johnson,
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Speaker 2: but I didn't think he was a liability by any means.
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Speaker 1: No, all right, let me get into aj Brown. And
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Speaker 1: this is strictly again your tape study. We had some
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Speaker 1: people ask us is he does he look heavy? We're
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Speaker 1: not gonna ask how much, she weays, we don't know
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Speaker 1: how muchy ways, but from a tape study, how's he
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Speaker 1: moving comparably to other sits? Does he look like the
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Speaker 1: same player?
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Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I'd say is, and again that's
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Speaker 2: always hard to know. As well, I would say that
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Speaker 2: you didn't see him, although I don't think they did
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Speaker 2: it as much this year, and I don't know the
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Speaker 2: answer for that, but you didn't see him when they
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Speaker 2: did ask him to run vertical routes outside the numbers,
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Speaker 2: he didn't get on top of corners as much as
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Speaker 2: he has in the past. Now, if that means he's
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Speaker 2: a step slower, maybe you know. But the point is
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Speaker 2: he was not getting on top of corners the way
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Speaker 2: he's done in the past. You know there were times
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Speaker 2: he did, but not quite as often.
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Speaker 1: So it hurts, you know, hurts his game. This is
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Speaker 1: an interesting game because it looking at your notes and
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Speaker 1: we all saw the same thing. He reverted back a
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Speaker 1: little bit to moving for no reason or moving breaking down,
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Speaker 1: which kills the progression.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were two in particular that really stood out
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Speaker 2: that he prevented, you know, good plays from happening.
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Speaker 1: And what when you say that, what did you notice
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Speaker 1: about because again, conceptually, we've shown this in the past.
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Speaker 1: He'll move, let's say, to the right and there's no
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Speaker 1: pressure and the bosses to go here, and then what
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Speaker 1: happens is because he's late, he runs to the far right.
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Speaker 1: He's broke it right away. Yeah, and then people blame
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Speaker 1: the coaches when it's really the quarterback.
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Speaker 2: And there were two really clean examples of that. One
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Speaker 2: was on first and tent on the first third quarter possession.
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Speaker 2: They ran a really well designed intermediate vertical route concept
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Speaker 2: that had a four strong element to it. Brown was
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Speaker 2: wide open on the crosser, wide open, and Hertz perceived
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Speaker 2: and overreacted to the backside pass rush of a Cleveland
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Speaker 2: Pharrell versus may Alatta. It was by it was not
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Speaker 2: really pressure, and he left the pocket, ran to his
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Speaker 2: right and threw it away. Then on third and thirteen,
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Speaker 2: early in the fourth quarter, it was another snapshot of
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Speaker 2: Hurts prematurely leaving the pocket. The Eagles ran a series
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Speaker 2: and I obviously know this from speaking to coaches through
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Speaker 2: the years. Everybody has it. It's called the byte series.
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Speaker 2: It's a third down concept. What you run is you
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Speaker 2: run mirrored curl routes and drag routes, and then you
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Speaker 2: run a sit route at the sticks right in front
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Speaker 2: of the quarterback. Smith's curl route into the boundary was
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Speaker 2: to throw it was there, but Hurts broke down with
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Speaker 2: no pressure. He ran to his right and and he
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Speaker 2: threw the ball away. And by the way, when he
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Speaker 2: broke down for no reason and moved to his right,
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Speaker 2: he also moved himself right into the stunt. So those
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Speaker 2: two examples were glaring and in a close game, you know,
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Speaker 2: those are plays.
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Speaker 1: That have to get made when Hurts is on the
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Speaker 1: top of his game. We're gonna leave twenty two ol,
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Speaker 1: because that's a different deal. When aj Brown first got there,
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Speaker 1: when the league didn't really know how to defend it,
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Speaker 1: what's it look like when it looks good from your
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Speaker 1: vantage point.
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Speaker 2: With Hurts, I mean, they're not, in a strict sense
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Speaker 2: a drop back pass team at him. So you know,
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Speaker 2: it's not like you watch other teams where you know,
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Speaker 2: you just see the quarterback drop back and boom the ball.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those that's not who he
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Speaker 2: is and that's not the way their past game is
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Speaker 2: primarily because that's not who he is. So what Hurts
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Speaker 2: is playing at his best, what we've seen for the
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Speaker 2: most part over the years is throws outside the numbers.
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Speaker 2: Now they're timing throws. I mean, he throws with good timing.
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Speaker 2: He can throw a beautiful fade ball, he throws a
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Speaker 2: beautiful deep ball. You know, every once in a while
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Speaker 2: you'll see him throw the ball between the numbers, but
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Speaker 2: not very often than last year. But yeah, yeah, but
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Speaker 2: that's kind of who he is, you know. And and
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Speaker 2: you know the one other thing, the one other thing
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Speaker 2: too that has certainly stood out this year. And I
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Speaker 2: know people might look at it and say that it's
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Speaker 2: on the coaches. We don't know that. I'm not in
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Speaker 2: the building, but certainly there were fewer design quarterback runs
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Speaker 2: this year than there were a year ago. Now again,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if if that's something Hurts doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to do, or if that's something the coaching staff just
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Speaker 2: didn't call. We don't know the answer to that. But
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Speaker 2: there were a meaningfully fewer number of quarterback design runs
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Speaker 2: this year than there were in years past. And as
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, look, you can go back to
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl year of twenty twenty two when that
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Speaker 2: part of the Eagles offense was a really important deal.
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Speaker 2: And the reason it's important is not just because he's
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Speaker 2: a good runner. It's because it impacts the way defenses
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Speaker 2: have to play, and defense has become more predictable, you know,
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Speaker 2: when you put together a run game. And this is
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Speaker 2: something I learned from talking to a coach, and you know,
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Speaker 2: because I always try to learn how coach you see it,
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Speaker 2: because that's really because that's what I do. I sit
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Speaker 2: and watch tape, so I think like a coach because
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Speaker 2: I'm watching tape. You know, when you put together a
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Speaker 2: run game, what you're trying to do is you're trying
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Speaker 2: to find out what the fronts are with the least
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Speaker 2: a variance. And by that, I mean, so if you
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Speaker 2: line up in base personnel on offense, you're likely to
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Speaker 2: get base personnel on defense, okay, And there's less front
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Speaker 2: diversity and multiplicity in a defense's base fronts than there
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Speaker 2: are when they're in their nickel or they're dying. So
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Speaker 2: you're trying to find where there's the least variance in
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Speaker 2: defensive fronts. And that's how you want to start how
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Speaker 2: you build your run game, because if you pretty much know,
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Speaker 2: if we line up with such and such personnel, we're
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Speaker 2: going to get one of two fronts, then you can
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Speaker 2: build your run game because you know what you can
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Speaker 2: do against those one or two fronts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Speaking of the run game, now other
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Speaker 1: questions and other issues. So we see Cam lat two
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Speaker 1: has been kind of a nice story four or forty
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Speaker 1: nine er by.
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Speaker 2: The way, like one snap this week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it surprised me. I don't know what happened there.
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Speaker 1: But Kim lat two is a guy you liked. I remember,
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Speaker 1: In fact, I remember that when we started talking about it,
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Speaker 1: you said, hey, you know what, I'm gonna get a
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Speaker 1: scout report out. I liked him to me, Greg, Greg Calcata,
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Speaker 1: we kind of know this. He's not in line. Why
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Speaker 1: tight end, I know there you have pointed out some
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Speaker 1: good blocks from him this season, but overall it's not
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Speaker 1: been great. Cam Lato to me, has been one of
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Speaker 1: these mysteries with his coaching staff that I've never quite understood.
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Speaker 2: What don't they see in him?
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Speaker 1: I know there's no way you can answer that, but
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Speaker 1: let's leave you let's let's let's put it to it
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Speaker 1: like this, when you've watched Kim Lato this season, what
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Speaker 1: have you seen from him?
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Speaker 2: Well, I would answer that this way, Adam, in the
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Speaker 2: context of their offense. Okay, that's that's what we have.
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Speaker 2: This is their offense. Yep, him lot too to me,
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Speaker 2: and again you know me well enough to know I
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Speaker 2: don't rip coaching staffs because I'm not there. I don't
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Speaker 2: know the conversations that the coaches have at nine o'clock
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Speaker 2: at night when they get together and really talk it
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Speaker 2: up and try to figure things out, you know. But
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Speaker 2: it would just seem to me that cam Lotu would
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Speaker 2: really fit what they're trying to do as their second
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Speaker 2: tight end because he's clearly the best blocking tight end,
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Speaker 2: you know, certainly obviously better than Calcatarian Grandson. So you know, again,
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Speaker 2: but they don't play him that way, you know, Goddard
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Speaker 2: got beat and by Huff, you know, in this game
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Speaker 2: on a where Huff crossed his face and tackled Barkley
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Speaker 2: for a loss. You know, So it would just seem
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Speaker 2: within the context of how they play that a Lot
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Speaker 2: two would be someone you'd want to put out there
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Speaker 2: because he is a good blocker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he's uh, it's a good fine for but he
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Speaker 1: goes And let's not forget he was a third round
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Speaker 1: pick from the Niners, you know, which is hard to
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Speaker 1: believe that they you know, they walked away from him.
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Speaker 1: He goes, brought him in. I give them credit for
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Speaker 1: keeping them on the roster. Uh, your last after last season,
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Speaker 1: and he made the roster and was a good story
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Speaker 1: and then you know he barely plays, and I'm just
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Speaker 1: puzzled there as we always. You know, there's a reason
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Speaker 1: for this. That's something that whoever is calling the plays
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Speaker 1: and designing everything this coming season, they've got to figure
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Speaker 1: out a way to get this guy on the field.
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Speaker 1: He's a good serve And by the way, to be
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Speaker 1: a third round pick, you're not drafting a blocking tent
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Speaker 1: and strict in the third round because.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I thought again, I didn't think he was
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Speaker 2: a number one tight end, but I thought he could
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Speaker 2: be a really solid number two tight end, you know.
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Speaker 2: And obviously the Niners did not think so because they
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Speaker 2: cut him, But yet they thought so when they drafted him.
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Speaker 2: Ory wouldn't have drafted him in the third round and
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Speaker 2: Deals picked him up obviously, but you know, he hasn't
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Speaker 2: played much at all.
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Speaker 1: Another guy people want to know about Number fifty six,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Steamer, former tackle Atbama playing guard. Now, like, what
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Speaker 1: was your what was your overview of him for the season.
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Speaker 2: I would say it was an uneven up and down season.
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Speaker 2: I think that if he's going to continue to be
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Speaker 2: the starter to right guard, and that's I think something
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Speaker 2: they'll have to, you know, study in detail, then he's
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Speaker 2: going to have to get stronger. I think he's going
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Speaker 2: to have to be more I hate to say more physical,
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Speaker 2: because guys can be physical but just not strong, you know.
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Speaker 2: But I think he's going to have to be stronger
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Speaker 2: in being able to block one on one on drive
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Speaker 2: blocks and base blocks. You know, obviously if you're part
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Speaker 2: of a double team or acount block, pretty much anybody
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Speaker 2: should be able to do that. But I think he's
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Speaker 2: going to have to just get stronger as far as
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Speaker 2: those individual one on one base blocks and drive blocks.
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Speaker 1: During my lot of Greg, he was not only injury
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Speaker 1: put really at all this season. But you saw him
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Speaker 1: the season I know, when we would do these shows
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Speaker 1: every now and then you go, boys, there's something wrong
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Speaker 1: with my lot. He wasn't moving well. I missed a
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Speaker 1: block overall for the entire of the season. What do
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Speaker 1: you think of sixty eight my lot and not have.
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Speaker 2: His best season by any means. I mean, obviously he's
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere, and he'll be there left tackle next year,
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Speaker 2: and he's obviously very gifted physically, size, athleticism, rare traits.
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Speaker 2: But I just don't think he had his best season.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know the reason why. I'm not an
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Speaker 2: O line coach. I can't dissect him the way just
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Speaker 2: Stallin can or an old line coach Ken. But I
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Speaker 2: didn't think that overall he had the kind of season
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they expected.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up a guy that we first
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Speaker 1: talked about in training camp. I remember calling you about
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Speaker 1: him and I said, this guy number, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what I think he's number eighty. The same is Darius
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Speaker 1: Coop from Charlton State.
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Speaker 2: Greg. So, if A. J.
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Speaker 1: Brown's traded, I'm not saying he's going to start, but
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Speaker 1: he could, he could want to sort of challenging for
17:11
Speaker 1: the number three role. What do you see from Darius
17:13
Speaker 1: Scooper and his woman playing time this season?
17:15
Speaker 2: Yeah? And again, you know, he was a guy that
17:17
Speaker 2: I did not do coming out obviously, But then when
17:19
Speaker 2: when training camp came and he had that really good
17:21
Speaker 2: preseason game with Tanner Keith throwing to him, actually went
17:24
Speaker 2: back and watched his tape at was it Charlton State.
17:27
Speaker 1: Darlton State?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and I was impressed with what I saw. Now,
17:30
Speaker 2: again it's easy to say, well, he's not playing against
17:33
Speaker 2: you know, big time players. I don't necessarily look at that.
17:36
Speaker 2: I look at what the guy's trades are, and you know,
17:39
Speaker 2: again watching his tape, I didn't come away going, Wow,
17:41
Speaker 2: this guy's going to be Jerry Rice. But I mean
17:43
Speaker 2: I thought that this guy's got some pretty good trades
17:46
Speaker 2: and I think he can play in the league. Now,
17:48
Speaker 2: we've seen receivers over the years at him as you
17:50
Speaker 2: well know, who are not high draft choices, and even
17:53
Speaker 2: free agent receivers who've come in and been quality players.
17:57
Speaker 2: Not number ones, you know, not superstars, but quality players.
18:02
Speaker 2: Could he turn out to be that guy? Clearly they
18:06
Speaker 2: see something in him because he got more snaps as
18:08
Speaker 2: the season went on, So they see something in him.
18:12
Speaker 2: Maybe with another training camp, you know, another off season,
18:15
Speaker 2: you know he can develop into a legitimate quality NFL
18:20
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I remember you would ask me.
18:25
Speaker 1: Because you watch this college tape, right and then you
18:28
Speaker 1: saw you saw him in trade. I guess he saw
18:30
Speaker 1: his preseason tape. You go, did he I think he said?
18:33
Speaker 1: Did he put a lot of weight off?
18:34
Speaker 2: Said?
18:34
Speaker 1: I think he's fifteen pounds up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gained weight because he was much dinner in college. Yeah,
18:39
Speaker 2: so he was old to do that by agent scouts.
18:44
Speaker 2: I'm not part of that, but you know he was.
18:47
Speaker 2: He was clearly lighter when he played in college.
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Speaker 1: Offensively, Greg, we know a lot of the same players
18:52
Speaker 1: were back from the super Bowl team, a little different
18:54
Speaker 1: on defense. He had a lot of changes when you
18:58
Speaker 1: look at it. And we'll talk more to you about
19:00
Speaker 1: this in the off season. But for them to grow offensively,
19:04
Speaker 1: we know they're a run team. That's not going to
19:05
Speaker 1: change as long as Barclay's here. Especially, what would you
19:08
Speaker 1: like to see going forward here to get Tom the
19:10
Speaker 1: next level offensively.
19:12
Speaker 2: Well, the bottom line is it's the NFL adam, So
19:14
Speaker 2: regardless of what your quarterback is or isn't or wants
19:18
Speaker 2: or doesn't want. You know, and you know you and
19:20
Speaker 2: I can't answer that because we're not sitting there in
19:23
Speaker 2: the meetings, But their past game has to become far
19:27
Speaker 2: more expansive by NFL standards. It just has to. And
19:33
Speaker 2: you know, you hate to say it, but ultimately, if
19:36
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts can't do that, then you have to get
19:38
Speaker 2: another quarterback. I mean, your past game has to become
19:43
Speaker 2: much more than it is. And you can blame anybody
19:47
Speaker 2: you want, and I'm not here to blame anybody. All
19:50
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, you know, and I joked with you
19:53
Speaker 2: before we started talking when they hired Nick Siriani. You know,
19:56
Speaker 2: they didn't say, wow, you're hired because you only know
20:00
Speaker 2: five pass game concepts. You know, obviously these coaches know
20:05
Speaker 2: all these concepts. So now you can get into things
20:08
Speaker 2: which we don't know, like play calling, sequencing of plays,
20:12
Speaker 2: all those things that you know. I know, you speak
20:14
Speaker 2: to John D. Philippa, who did all this in the league,
20:16
Speaker 2: and you know, and I know Flip as well, and
20:18
Speaker 2: he could speak to you about it with far more
20:20
Speaker 2: intelligence than I could. But the bottom line is you
20:23
Speaker 2: need a pass game that is an NFL pass game,
20:27
Speaker 2: because right this season, and to some degree even last
20:30
Speaker 2: year when they won the Super Bowl, the pass game
20:33
Speaker 2: is not really an NFL pass game. I'm talking conceptually, obviously.
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Speaker 1: When you because when you talk to prop personnel guys
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Speaker 1: and they'll you know, I ask them if you have
24:07
Speaker 1: the Eagles this year or some guys don't, some guys do,
24:09
Speaker 1: they kind of come out like you do you watch
24:12
Speaker 1: tape of this team, then you see the Eagles pass gameing,
24:14
Speaker 1: go boy, this is really simplistic comparably to other schemes.
24:19
Speaker 2: You know. And yes, and that's and that's from tape study.
24:22
Speaker 2: That's not it's just so people understand, that's not an
24:25
Speaker 2: opinion or an interpretation. That's the tape study. And you know,
24:29
Speaker 2: you validate it just by talking with other people who
24:32
Speaker 2: study tape as well. I mean, the bottom line is
24:35
Speaker 2: their past game on tape is you know. I hate
24:39
Speaker 2: to use words that make it seem like people are
24:40
Speaker 2: stupid because I don't talk like that, but by NFL standards,
24:44
Speaker 2: it's kind of elementary, you know, And so there has
24:47
Speaker 2: to be a reason for that. And I'm not going
24:50
Speaker 2: to sit here and speculate on the reason because then
24:53
Speaker 2: it comes across as blame. And you know, I don't
24:55
Speaker 2: know the interaction of everything that leads it to be
24:58
Speaker 2: that way, but it is elementary.
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Speaker 1: Sure, all right, good stuff, Greg. We appreciate your honesty
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Speaker 1: and the intelligence there in the intel. So for that man,
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Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you on the defensive tape