Latest / Petty and Unbothered / #26 - Labor Pain
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- Robin Axline: kind of like open. yes. Tita Lors: Hold on. Wait, I gotta play the intro. Robin Axline: pshh. Tita Lors: Yeah, here we go. Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: Avatar last night and you know how the mom's like. gosh, what's that she makes like this yipping sound like a my gosh, I'm gonna get it wrong. What Yeah. So that's like Robin Axline: my gosh. Tita Lors: she makes that sound to or something similar to that so that the kids know or the family knows they know where they are. and like it kind of without having to say, so they could be super stealth still. but like they know where they are and they that they're not alone or whatever. and so the kids started trying to make the sounds. Like Yeah. Or even like the you know the celebr the celebratory or whatever, like I can't do it now. But like my little trying to do it is the funniest thing. Yeah, 'cause they can't do it. It's super dope. I was like, why am I not recording these things? but yeah, super cute. Alright. Robin Axline: That's amazing. I'm just waiting for like all nine to come out before I start watching Avatar, so Tita Lors: All nine no sorry, not Avatar the original like anime cartoon, but Avatar the blue people. What? There's gonna be nine? Robin Axline: Yeah, that's I'm talking about. I think there's gonna be like nine, seven or nine is what James Cameron said. I've never watched a single drop of any of it, so I was like, Well, I'll just watch it when I'm a hundred. Tita Lors: When I'm a hundred. Okay, hold on, let's see. Avatar franchise. Okay, no, this is Airbender. Okay, okay, okay. So so far they only have it until Avatar five, and the expected date that that's gonna come out is in 2031. Robin Axline: Okay, well yeah, I'm gonna Tita Lors: You're gonna wait until then. Robin Axline: wait. I'm gonna wait until that time to watch all of them in in a row. I won't leave the house for days. Tita Lors: my Leenta. That's insane. For real, because they're all like three hours long. Robin Axline: Uh-huh, yeah. It's gonna be like clockwork orange. I'm gonna have my eyeballs like this. Tita Lors: That's so funny. Well, there's only technically there's really only so three of are out already, then there's only two more left 'cause it looks like it's only gonna go to s to five. Not nine. Yeah, hold on. future Cameron said this is Wikipedia. He would consider making sixth and seventh films if there was demand for them. However, he said that due to his age he would have to train a successor to direct them, which makes sense. So he would have to have somebody else. Yeah. But it just wouldn't be the same without him, I think. Robin Axline: No, yeah. And he'd have to like make some kind of contract that he would get that kind of budget for all of too. Uh-huh, yeah. We might not even be alive by the time they all come out in that case. Tita Lors: That's insane. We'll be alive. That would be insane Robin Axline: I don't know. Tita Lors: if we weren't alive. I think we'd be like old er. How old are Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: we gonna be in 2031? Is that what I said? I wanna do the bath. Robin Axline: I don't even want think about that. I don't even it doesn't even sound like a time that I would be alive though. It just Tita Lors: You are, that is not that long from now. Crazy? Robin Axline: That sounds crazy. Tita Lors: It does seem crazy, but you will definitely be alive. twenty thirty one. Unless there's some kind of freak accident. Robin Axline: I might eat too many Hershey's chocolate bars in one sitting. Tita Lors: my gosh. We will still be very, very young. Neither of us will be 50 yet. Yeah, exactly. We'll be fine. Yes. And if they make another one. Yeah. And if they make two more and it's around the same time frame, then it'll be it'll definitely come out both will probably come out before we're fifty five. Definitely before we're sixty. It'll be fine. Robin Axline: Okay, well I guess I just have to wait that long then. Tita Lors: my gosh, watch them now. You can watch them on Disney. Robin Axline: Ha ha ha. Tita Lors: the way of wait, no, Fire and Ash comes out on Disney actually, June twenty fourth. We thought we could watch it. This so the reason why we ended up watching it was because we wanted they have where it's like yeah, it's on Disney Plus, but actually it was like no, it will be on Disney Plus on June twenty fourth or whatever. And so it's like, You buttholes, you tricked us So I was already in an avatar mood, so I like, Alright, well let's just watch Way of Water Robin Axline: It well, you know, maybe it's like more fresh in your mind too, 'cause I like to Yeah, I like to do that when there's it's been a minute and then sometimes it helps you catch like s references to like older ones that you might not be as keen on. So it's probably not a bad idea. Which one is that? A hundred? Tita Lors: A hundred. Remember when they were just like, it's the final one, so sad, no more toy story, or it like ten years later, so it was just like very nostalgic and people were crying. It's like I don't think it's that crazy. Toy Story five. Robin Axline: I think it was like Home Alone 4 or something that I was like, this is unwatchable. Like I really can't with this. I Tita Lors: Think I've only watched I've only watched The Original Home Alone and The Home Alone in New York. There might have been like one more Home Alone where it wasn't even Nicole Colkin anymore. Yeah. Robin Axline: Wasn't him, yeah, it was like another kid. And it had Scar Joe. Tita Lors: You all no that's not home alone seven Robin Axline: Wait a minute, Home Alone Seven. Tita Lors: no no sorry, Home Alone seven lessons Kevin McElicher taught us. Okay, okay. I know. I was like, how Robin Axline: my god. I was like, I'm so behind. Phew. Tita Lors: many did they make? Holy guacamole. We are so off topic of what we're supposed to be talking about. I don't even know what we're supposed be talking about. I know, seriously. Robin Axline: What a relief. I know this is sequel talk. Tita Lors: Home alone sequels. Let's see how many were there. Okay. Home alone and then Home Alone Two is lost in New York. And then Home Alone Three. I know that one was super great. and then Unrelated installment focusing on a young boy named Alex, a completely different person. And then Home Alone Four. Robin Axline: Yeah, that's the Scarlet Johansson. No, that's Homeland Three. Tita Lors: Hello on three had Scarlet Johansson in it? Obviously, I never watched it. Robin Axline: Yeah. I don't recall it being that great. But I think it's four Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: or five where I really had to turn it off. Tita Lors: Yeah, four that one was made for T V. Robin Axline: Yeah, see that's where I was going with this. Tita Lors: Yeah. And then there's the holiday heist in twenty twelve. and then home sweet home alone in twenty twenty-one. Just stop already. Robin Axline: I think maybe it was the twenty twenty one one I tried to watch and it was just like so awful. Yeah, like I was like I really trying. Yeah, so folks, that is yes, Tita Lors: Exiting this. Robin Axline: good segue to this episode I was deciding on if I wanted to do a Labor Day episode, and since in traditional petty and bothered fashion I decided to go with it since we're all about holidays. And so I mainly because Labor Day has always kind of fascinated me because it's technically about workers, but then it culturally is ki Yeah, I'm just like, Tita Lors: But they don't get to take the time off. Robin Axline: okay, it's time like time off barbecue season again. And then like Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Again. And don't even get her started. Robin Axline: Don't even if you listen to the Fourth of July episode. Yeah, yeah. The another Tita Lors: And you better not wear white. Robin Axline: statistic I read that Labor Day is another one of those ones where you could eat hot dogs or like the hot dog consumption could like go around the world so many times or whatever. And then yeah. Tita Lors: What the heck? I guess 'cause like outdoor barbecue time, yeah. Robin Axline: And then it drops after Labor Day, the companies have Tita Lors: That's so funny. Robin Axline: Which I could see, 'cause it's not as ideal weather for barbecueing. Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Ga stool it stool. my god, brain, please work. School has just started usually or t actually before. Schools didn't start until like a just after maybe Labor Day or like right before. And now school's starting like a month before. Yeah. Robin Axline: That is so wild. Yeah. I remember last year my brother was like, yeah, the girl girls are back to school and I'm like, already? Interesting. Yeah. here in New York, like a snow day used to be a snow day, no school, but now because of distance learning, but Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: last Mayor Cuomo act or I think maybe Kathy Hogel also, but made it so there's no snow days basically anymore. which is really messed up. But the cool thing is Madami, who's doing a great job by the way, in my opinion, he the last like big blizzardy thing, he's like, Everybody just have a snow day. Just don't no school and I was like, Hell yeah, all right, I like this guy. Tita Lors: yay. Yeah, 'cause I mean like yeah. F and for a lot of people I think like the whole point of a snow day is that like it's so terribly bad outside that like the worry is, you know, for some people especially in some communities, you might not have enough electricity to keep you warm. So like you're worried about survival, not going to school. And like Robin Axline: Yeah. That's true. I didn't even think about that. And then, you know, during the Panini there was the thing that everybody doesn't have internet or computers at home. And then how are they gonna do that? Apparently that's like fixed I don't know. Question mark. Yeah. I don't get it. I get it that a lot of people I mean there is a lot of holidays now, more than there used to be, but still. Yeah. Anywho, so four we get sidetracked Tita Lors: Before we get sidetracked again. Robin Axline: again, which, you know, honestly, I think that's just our s brand. So Yeah. But so anyway, despite Labor Day being like a day off for most people, I feel like people in like certain jobs are still working also. Like hospitals Yeah. Yeah, like I'm sure that Amazon is still going. Dunkin' Donuts. I don't know. Back to Donuts. Yeah, that's actually what I was getting to. So in my opinion, it's probably one of the pettiest holidays. And in my research, the origin of Labor Day is pretty fascinating and petty. And in nineteen or eighteen ninety-four, there was a massive railway strike called the Pullman Strike, and workers were protesting for their wages and conditions were terrible. And the Pullman Company did a pay cut but kept rents high in company housing. So that spurred on the strike and things got really intense, the strike disrupted rail traffic across the entire country, and federal troops got involved, there were violent clashes and people died. It was yeah, it was pretty crazy. And then essentially it just became a national crisis. And the president at the time was Grover Cleveland and because people were putting a lot of tension and pressure on him to like do something about it, there was all these labor excuse me, labor tensions were just exploding all over the country and Congress moved in to make Labor Day a federal holiday. to kind of like quell this crisis. And here's I here's what I thought was interesting is they specifically placed it in September because May 1st was already associated. It was it so it should have been on May 1st, but it was already associated with internationally like labor movements and workers' rights activism and apparently socialism. Yeah. May Day. And so basically the US government wanted a labor holiday, but not that kind of labor holiday. So I I don't know. So Tita Lors: like exactly what the whole thing is about but not Robin Axline: Yeah. Exactly. So they're like, we support workers, calm down everybody, and over time it just drifted away from like labor activism and became more cult culturally associated with what we're talking about, like barbecues and mattress sales. There's always like these big discounts, a hundred percent. End of summer energy, emotional damage at your big box stores, I don't know. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Emotional damage. Uh-huh. Robin Axline: I mean t T V H it feels pretty on brand for our country, unfortunately. that's so interesting. True. This is kismet. Yeah. Railroads. Yeah, that's true. Whoa, trippy. Yeah, so this all was the riots and everything were calmed down because of this holiday that the president was like, yeah, I support unions, all this, let's have a day. Mm. Hundo P. Ha That's a perfect example. man, yeah. Yeah, that stuff still goes on in different forms, I would say. But I just wanted to say to our listeners that I'm happy that you're here listening. Maybe on Labor Day weekend, maybe not. And I hope you are enjoying your Labor Day weekend, or at least pretending to. Tita Lors: you got all three days off. Unless you work in retail, then I'm sorry. Or any of like the Yeah. You probably didn't get this time off, but how's that holiday pay? Huh? Huh? Robin Axline: Yeah, if if you're lucky or whatever, but yes. so I feel like Labor Day is technically a holiday for some, but it's also kinda like become the season finale of summer. Like summer isn't actually over, but It's 'cause it's technically still summer after Labor Day. But I feel like everyone in their head they're like, Well, that's over. We gotta get back to the grind soon. And that's kind of a bummer. Hm, yeah, I actually read that. Tita Lors: and then also I think like if you're Filipino, I think September f is it September first? There's like I forget which one of the holidays were like immediately okay, it's it's like right after my god, it's either September first or November first, like right after Halloween. Like that is when Filipinos start putting up their Christmas decorations. Yeah. Hold on. Robin Axline: Hmm. A bird once. you mean like cold? Tita Lors: Yeah. September, October, November, December. Robin Axline: my god. My mind is like exploding all over the screen, listeners, if you can't see me. Blood and guts everywhere. did not know that, the more you know. Totally. Wow, that's wild. I mean, I would thought that people like putting up Christmas decorations on Thanksgiving Day was kind of nutty, but not really. man, that's crazy. I love that meme that Mariah Carey does where it's like her on Halloween or something and then like the next day it turns to like her on Christmas. Tita Lors: Yeah. Which is most people do that 'cause everybody just skips over Thanksgiving. Robin Axline: Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't know, that one just tickles me, even though I'm very sick of that song. But maybe we'll talk about that another day. but yeah, I was just gonna mention though, like summer technically ends September twenty second. It's the autumnal ecinox. So, but For a lot of people they're like, summer is done. It's been cooked. The kids are back at school already and now they get this little break and then back to school. So that you know, the parents have to kind of make adjustments in their lives. I'm sure maybe even people that work more seasonally feel it too. but I feel like from personal experience in New York, you can really feel it. Like the beaches are technically open and guarded until September. the energy and the streets here like in Brooklyn, Manhattan have that kind of like local summer vibe where the tourists aren't coming as much. It gets a little bit calmer, a little bit quieter until like say Thanksgiving, Christmas when the tourists kind of start waving in again. But Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: yeah, it definitely feels like quiet. That is so funny. I was just talking to somebody at pickleball about that, about how the gym needs to open the pool earlier because it closes so early. Like our pool isn't open yet right now, but it will be soon. Tita Lors: Splas pads, for kids, they just opened recently. in like the past couple of weeks. I think last week or the week before was like when the splash pads opened, in our area. And that's only gonna go until Labor Day. I'm like, but it's still it was still hot in October. So Robin Axline: Yeah. The yeah, it was. Yeah. No, no, feel free. yeah, so basically I kind of equate this time of year t for like the whole of US of A to having like the Sunday scaries a little bit. Tita Lors: No. Robin Axline: Because It's like after the Monday, Tuesday, you have to start returning emails, you like maybe you're getting a bunch of slack messages or you have to pretend to care about work again, like it's just something like an existential thing about realizing that summer is ending. It kind of gives me the blues sometimes a little bit. and Tita Lors: Uhhuh. yeah. I guess I I guess I've never thought about it coming from like California. It's just it's all the same. It's not all the same. It's a little different, but I never thought about it until I came out to the east coast and it was like, this is an adjustment. And also, like the summers are so rainy out here. Robin Axline: Yeah. yeah, there's that. yeah, 'cause in the summertime especially I feel like June is glu June gloom is real. And April shower. I don't it just seems like it's been raining. Yeah. Yeah. It yeah, it's like Tita Lors: Yeah, April showers bring Mayflowers. It this whole time, yeah. It has not stopped. We just had yeah, like this past week we had a th like a major thunderstorm. It was so sunny during like midday. It was gloomy in the morning, sunny midday, and then crazy thunderstorm. during bedtime. Like it was sh s it shook something in the house. I don't even know what it was, but like Robin Axline: yeah, sh what do you even what does that even mean? So weird. Put on your tinfoil hats, everybody. Tita Lors: I know. Although like climate change isn't real, but like when I was a kid, I remember in California, I iconically, summers would have a lot of like thunderstorms and I remember rain a lot and then somewhere between like middle school and high school that kind of stopped happening as often. Like I don't remember experiencing that many thunderstorms or being out there for them as often. and then I came back out here and then that's what I remembered. yeah, like that used to happen. It just stopped happening. Like it got more desert climate, Robin Axline: Yeah, not at all. that's crazy. Yeah, there are weather patterns like in my memory too that have definitely altered over time. But yeah, it's it is so funny. And then speaking of switching to like the next holiday like this I feel like the minute Labor Day's over, people are switching out displays like when I go to CBS, for example, they're already putting up like Halloween decorations and s like and speaking of which, the PSL of it all in Coffee culture, or actually every nook and cranny now. Tita Lors: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Everything now. Yeah, everywhere. It's PSL everything. I don't even like pumpkins. Robin Axline: Yeah, like comes out earlier and earlier. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. man. Cause I almost feel like every year now at Starbucks and Duncan, I'm just naming those 'cause those are like the main ones that everyone can get worldwide. almost have like a battle of like who's gonna come out first with PSL. It's I don't wanna say August, but I almost feel like one time it was like August or something and was like Okay, yeah, maybe it was September, Tita Lors: It was definitely September one time. Yeah. Robin Axline: but it just felt out of season 'cause it wasn't cold or it was still sunny and Tita Lors: Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have PSLs in September. Like you Robin Axline: No. You guys can wait just a minute. Tita Lors: seriously, or if you're gonna do that, you might as well just do it year round. Like, come on. Robin Axline: Fair, fair. That's true. But yeah, I just feel like Autumn is like, why are you threatening me? Autumn, like Tita Lors: Why are you threatening me? Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: Like make sure you've got all the presents, make sure that you're ready Robin Axline: That sprint. Tita Lors: for like this, that, or whatever. What's all the things that you didn't accomplish for your New Year's resolution? those like thirty pounds that you said you were gonna lose for the end of the year. like getting into it and then like all the holiday stuff that everyone has to do to prepare for like whatever holiday that they're celebrating. There's just so many things crammed into those last like two three three months of the year for people and like that space from September first to October thirty first is just the big breath to prepare for all of that. And it's it is it's pretty that like I always say my holiday season starts in September, but that's because a lot of my birthdays in my life are in September. Robin Axline: Crazy. Huh. Yeah, I only have like one immediate family member that whose birthday typically lands on Thanksgiving, my brother. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And he was also like that age where he could have either been held back a year in school or pushed forward a year. So my I remember my mom had him go forward. So he was like one of the youngest people in his class because of that. Tita Lors: Yeah. And but I also I don't know. I think part of me is like Montessori, if it wasn't so expensive, is good is a good way of doing school period where you have like all sorts of different age groups and levels of learning and people can learn where it works best for them and be encouraged. But it's so expensive it's crazy. Retro, do you hear that knocking? Robin Axline: I am a Montessori kid, so speaking of Yeah, I I went from shimmy Tita Lors: Are you? I'm not surprised. Yeah. That's why you're so smart. Robin Axline: a break. No, I went from like three or four to almost middle school age, one thing that made me think of when you were saying people get to Christmas and New Year's and they're like, I didn't do this, this was on my bucket list or my bingo card or whatever it is. No, I didn't get to it, but I also feel like with this end of summer, new fall, some people are like, new me, kind of like fall is my season or whatever. So there's like this fantasy kind of like self-improvement going on this time period too, I think. 'cause we're pretending like you're gonna be a new person in the next month or so. Logically. Like it's giving new no Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: new notebook energy or something. Like I'm gonna journal every day and Tita Lors: Yeah. The one that you like use for a quarter. Yeah. Robin Axline: Yes, exactly. And then you're like then you're like, hmm, maybe I should get another one. Tita Lors: Yeah. Actually I don't like this one. I'm gonna get a new one. Robin Axline: Yeah, like I need to be motivated so I'm gonna get a different one. maybe I'm gonna get healthier, maybe I'm gonna wake up earlier, maybe my personality changes, I suddenly go to I like cinnamon everything. Like we were talking about p PSL Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: stuff. And I think it's just like life in general how humans like to put emotional meaning to random dates. And that happens for a lot of different reasons. Your birthday, for example, it's like a symbolic transition of time. And this one isn't not one of them. So and then the other thing I just kind of wanted to mention is that I personally have always been obsessed with that phrase, no white after Labor Day. It just feels like ominous in a way. Like nobody r like really understands it, but everyone somehow like knows that phrase. and Tita Lors: Mm. Robin Axline: in looking it up, it's really tied to old money etiquette and class signaling. because wealthy people used to wear white during summer vacations and then they had the money to switch wardrobes when they returned to city life. So humanity kind of turned that into a fake social law. Even night nineteen fifties fashion magazines Tita Lors: Ha Robin Axline: carried these rules into like they're into print basically and influence middle middle class to conform Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: because everybody likes to be exclusive and that sort of thing. But I'm pretty sure if all humanity ended tomorrow, nobody would care. Except there would still be that one person that's like critiquing your shoes. But I think I don't know. I think that's why this like saying is still surviving somehow. Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. that's true. It definitely goes along with that class business too, because if you can afford it, then we're white by all means, but I don't know. I just feel like it switched to peop like in a class system way, like people care about brands that they're wearing, like what they can afford, even if it's like quiet wealth, clothing, quiet privilege or whatever it is. people love like those kind of invisible status things. It's like quiet privilege or quiet wealth. It's you know like I'm sure half the people know what I'm talking about and half the people don't, but Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: a lot of people subscribe to it, especially in my neighborhood, where they're wearing like a thousand dollar sweatsuit and you wouldn't even know but they know. And the other people know. And some of the clothes just look really basic too, but it's like the principle of it. Because you can. Tita Lors: Why? If I'm spending a thousand dollars on something, I wanna be like, this is a thousand dollars worth of money, you guys. Not like I'm not gonna go out in the street and look like a bum. Like the trend that I don't understand is like buying clothes that looked like they've been thrown in the trash. Like it's one thing Robin Axline: Mm. Tita Lors: to thrift clothes and then turn it into something and it looks amazing and that's so awesome. I love that. But when I go to like a store or whatever and I see something that looks like somebody has worn it for ten years and then threw it in the trash and it's now worth a thousand dollars, I'm like Why would I want that? Why am I gonna spend thousands of dollars to look poor? Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Tita Lors: I could just be poor. Just I mean I already Robin Axline: But it's art, Laura. It's art. Tita Lors: am. It's not art, it's stupid. my gosh, I'm never going to understand this trend. I mean, not like Robin Axline: But yeah, there's a lot of people that do that quiet luxury stuff. Tita Lors: that's so crazy. Robin Axline: And it's like yeah. I I know some of it though does have to do with kind of like a premium fabric or like a certain texture. But a lot of it is just kind of like muted colors. Like there's no brand name on it. There's no no logos. But maybe it's some premium like wool or but it's usually like navy or And some of the clothes are like maybe tailored to look out on you, but if you weren't if you weren't even thinking about it, you'd just be like, Why are like they're just wearing pants in a sweater or something. Tita Lors: Yeah. You probably spent a thousand dollars on that. Stupid Robin Axline: But yes, the quiet luxury of it all, I think, still echoes these old social status things that happened when the White After Labor Day happened, in my opinion. And people just love invisible rules, which I was saying. But I've also think beyond fashion it's turned to weird rules about like text messaging rules. Say like, don't respond too quickly, or don't send two text messages at once until the other person writes you back, or I don't know, I'm just thinking about that kind of stuff. Or like, I know, on social media when people want to hard launch their relationship, but people are like, no, it's too early, you can't do that. Or don't respond too quickly because you look desperate. That's what I was getting at. and people spend half their lives at this point pretending to be normal. Whatever normal is. They're just trying to look at it. And it's kind of a I don't Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: know what to say about that except we're all victim to it in a way. And with the Tita Lors: I know. Unless you're me and you just you live that like grandma energy of just I don't give a fuck genuinely. Cause as you know, a double, triple, ten thousand times will text you in a row whether you have like responded to me or not. Yeah. Robin Axline: No, it's refreshing. Tita Lors: Like I'll just keep texting. You don't even have to respond. I'll have a whole ass conversation by myself in a text set. full conversations and then like people will have to come back to it and be like, hold on, let me catch up. If you were on a whole tangent just by yourself. Robin Axline: Okay, so your first message, I'm gonna respond to this one, then this one, then no, just kidding. It's never like that. I think you're exaggerating. yeah. Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No, I haven't done it to you yet. but I have I've definitely done it. But I do I've double texted you. Triple texted even. I'm pretty sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. None at all. Robin Axline: Yeah, I think I've done that to you as well, so no judges here. yes, so Me too, me too. Storytime is always good. but with the no white after labor day thing, I checked with Emily Post to see what their official or her well, her daughter's official stance was now, who's carried on the tradition. You know who Emily Post is, right? Or no. Tita Lors: What? Wait, what? No? Who's Emily Post? wait, do I know who Emily Post is? Why does that sound so familiar? Is that like the etiquette Robin Axline: I think you probably do. It's yes, Tita Lors: lady? Robin Axline: yes. Tita Lors: I'm looking it up. okay. Robin Axline: Like gr growing up, my dad had an Emily Post book in the kitchen and he would be like, Now what does Emily Post say about this? And then we'd have to do that. Yeah, about like all kinds of things. He'd be like, Well I'm going post says this. Alright, so this is how we'll do this. Then Tita Lors: Okay. my gosh. There's like again. So there's this reel there's like an etiquette teacher who it's telling you how to eat rice. And you're supposed to eat rice with like the back of your fork or like whatever the hell. And it's a Philipp it's like an in a stitch with like a Filipino person and they're just like, huh? Robin Axline: That is crazy. I mean, rice is hard enough to eat sometimes. Tita Lors: I know and to eat it with a fork of all things. Yeah. Do you? How it Okay, chopsticks Robin Axline: I think I do eat it with a butt or chopsticks. Yeah. Tita Lors: is one thing, but like a fork it it's like it's it's a spoon. Yeah. Robin Axline: I do. I kinda like smash it sometimes and then Yeah. That's Yeah. Always wash your hands. Yeah. But yeah, I I grew up in kind of like that stuff where well, like my mom always tells me that when she was growing up she was put in like elocution classes and she had to like walk with a book on her head and like learn how to be a hostess and speak correctly and all these like wild like social rules like the Emily Post of it all. And so even to this day I still kind of I'll look up what is Emily Post. I I actually listened to a podcast with the whoever's running it now and they kind of said what they try to do now is keep up with the times while still like honoring the original thing. So I thought that was pretty cool. It's it's a lot more modern now, which is neat. so yeah, I went to I guess it was Emily Post dot com. And I looked up the no white after labor day thing. And this is what the stance is of current day. White can be worn 365 days a year. The old rule about wearing white only between Memorial Day and Labor Day is a thing of the past. The they used to apply to white shoes, clothes, and handbags. Today's seasonal fashion guidelines are based on the weight of the fabric, not the color. So there you go. like mismanners, yes, etiquette. Mm-hmm. Yeah, totally. But yeah, so I just feel like there's still a lot of that same behavior, but it's just a different century and people are updating the norms as they go and whatever that means. But the other thing I would be remiss if I didn't mention, which I did briefly bring up on the Mother's Day episode, if you heard that, the movie Serial Mom has a iconic Labor Day sequence. And I just kinda wanted to play it. It's very short, if you don't mind. It's just like brilliant. And also, I wanted to bring up John Waters as a director. I have to talk about it because he's one of my favorites. He just had a huge birthday. He turned 80 years old. Which is crazy. And he's genuinely, yeah, one of my favorite directors. And I just love him because he understands something really specific about human behavior where That's like a perfect example where people act civilized and right up until someone breaks some social rule, then everyone becomes like psychologically unwell. And I feel like that's mirrored in a lot of his films. Where everything seems kind of normal, but then these like Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: people's psyche comes out and it just gets chaotic. And that scene. I yeah, absolutely. It's like seeing the bizarre and the mundane, I guess you could say. Because it a lot of those things do feel kind of real because humans absolutely do things like that, either outwardly or just thinking it, where they put weight to like a tiny, meaningless thing. And in my opinion I feel like social media has probably made it worse. Yeah. Internal. the keyboard warriors of it all will say the craziest Tita Lors: Yeah. And it's like internal. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. my gosh, yeah. Robin Axline: stuff. Tita Lors: Or even like I'm sure that you recognize this in your relationship too, either like with your partner or with like friends, but like, for there's a lot of things in the house for me with Brian where I'm just like And I could definitely see myself being like serial mom of like, I could just stab you. Like if it doesn't care f if it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to me, why not just do it my way? But whatever. Robin Axline: Everything will be fine. Tita Lors: No one's gonna get stabbed. my gosh, whatever. Robin Axline: Right. yeah. but yeah, I think in modern day everyone's still kind of managing everybody's perception of your the way you say something, for example, like your punctuation or your tone or Instagram behavior, all of those things. And I just felt like John Waters kind of understood all that before it was Tita Lors: Probably. You're not gonna wait ten years, ten thousand years before you watch it. Robin Axline: Yeah. Two thousand such a crick in the neck. Yeah, I wouldn't wouldn't do that for that. But yeah, and i so back to the Labor Day of it all, people inventing rules, like everyone kind of develops their own strange languages, like for example in an office, people are just saying looping back to touch base, moving forward like it's like these meaningless office terms. Like what does that even mean? Like I know, like circle back or let's table this. Mm, mm, mm, mm. W yes, yes. Yeah. It's like everybody's like pretending not to be passive aggressive. Tita Lors: I know, yeah. and and obviously it's not okay to be mean to people. like we have to there's some sense of like decorum that we have to have, but Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then there's just like these moments of terror, I think, in the office when people are like, can you jump on a quick call? And you know that call is not gonna be quick. Tita Lors: my gosh. It's not quick and you know something bad is coming. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like if my supervisor Robin Axline: Hundred percent. Yeah. It's like never that. And so there's just these bits of work like that Yeah. Supervisor. Tita Lors: Yeah, like if my supervisor were to be like, Hey, can we have like a a quick chat? And I'm like, I didn't do it. Whatever it was, it wasn't me. Or I didn't do it and I'm sorry? I should have. You're so right. I don't know. And Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: she'd be like, Sh what are you talking about? Just we're just gonna talk real fast. It's fine. You didn't do anything wrong. I was like, Are you sure? This feels like I did. Robin Axline: So then with the office culture of it all, I think people are dreading it, going back to that kind of fake world that they have to be in after the Labor Day holiday, if you will. And there's something kind of weirdly emotional about it, like from a I don't know, from different standpoints. There's kind of nostalgia attack, attached to it, but then there's the pressure of going back to work, and then there's the sadness of summer ending, and then you're excited, then you let me see. Then you're thinking about reinventing your whole persona and it's all happening at the same time. And suddenly it's just every everybody's back in back in the swing of things. And I feel like that kind of a day or three day weekend just kind of flies by in my experience. And then you're just like, that was supposed to be a holiday question mark. I mean, I feel like that just happened like in May with the Memorial Day, or just yeah. This last weekend didn't feel like anything, but I just Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah this last weekend. Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: smelled a bunch of hamburgers. So Tita Lors: I don't even know what happened this weekend. Did we even leave? Did I do anything? Did anything interesting happen this past weekend? I don't know. All I know is my kids stayed home from school and I got really confused about what day of the week it is and then Wham bam, thank you ma'am, and the week is done. And I totally didn't get an episode out, so that happened. Robin Axline: Yeah. Well Tita Lors: It matters to them and then I have to like check in and be like, you know, if you're doing anything for a long holiday, let me know, blah blah blah. But otherwise, like, my friends are always like, You told you forgot about the holiday, right? And I like, Yep, and now I've gotta work and figure out how to have these two kids at home while I do it like, Ooh, it's gonna be a rough day, but we're gonna make it happen. Robin Axline: Yeah, that's good for you. Yeah, that's not easy. Yeah, I forget about that too until I talk to people that have like nine to five things Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: where they have the weekend off and those types of things. I'm like, wow, I totally sh don't experience that, so Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah. Also people, if you're noticing that we're like lagging in how we're talking to each other, it's because one or both of our internets we're gonna fix it somehow. We d like, I have no idea what's happening. I feel like it was so good earlier and now it's just slowly getting worse and worse. Robin Axline: I God, I'm glad you said something because I was like, I feel bad because we sound like we're talking in slow-mo, but it's because I'm trying to wait for everything to catch up. yeah, that too. I'm not I swear I'm not doing it to be mean. Tita Lors: Yeah I know I'm like okay. You just gotta be patient. Stop talking. But yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. Continue, continue. Robin Axline: Same, same. yes, so thank you for bearing with us, listeners. And Basically, I just in closing I wanted to say how it's funny that and also a petty quality about this holiday is that Labor Day started as a response to labor unrest. It became a cultural marker and somehow it turned into this holiday about sales, social rules, existential dread, pumpkin candles, whether your outfit is acceptable. I guess that's just human nature, but we emotionally torture each other with these things that the holiday became about. But then we also love rituals because it feels like either it's great to spend time with family or you just feel like you have to slog through it and it's a tradition that you just have to do because everybody does it. But Tita Lors: Mm. Tradition. Robin Axline: I just wanna yes. So with that being said, if the version of you wears white after Labor Day, we support you. Yeah, same C's. And isn't it funny how we just turn everything to a rule and then act like it's always been that way? Like just gonna keep going. Tita Lors: hospitals, and like all these other places. The only people who really get to take that holiday weekend are like upper middle class and higher echelon people who can afford to take a vacation or a holiday or a three day getaway, whatever. But everybody else actually has to work during that weekend. If and depending on where they're working, they're working that much more so that everyone can Robin Axline: And we for that, if you are listening to this while you're at work, we salute you. Ha ha ha Sorry. And with that being said, Tita Lors: okay. Well, anything else? Robin Axline: Yeah, Laura's got the clap axe Yeah. Yes, here for it. man. Well continue to find us on all the places that you can get your podcasts. Like, subscribe, tell all your buddies, and tell us Labor Day stories, tell us high school stories, all of it. We can't wait to hear it. So in until next time. Stay petty. And stay unbothered unless somebody emails you per my last message. All right. Bye. Tita Lors: We both did it. Alright, stop.