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Scott Acquavella (Cryptodira) on New EP Genesis of Error · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  After our last tour in Europe and kind of went, we got to go
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  back to the drawing board, you know, like these we're we're
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  lucky to be out of these kinds of bands.
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  But you know, we watch our own set and by playing, of course,
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  and then watching their set and we go like, there's we're here
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  and they're there. It's time for us to figure out
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  how to get here. What's up everybody, It's Kefi
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  at ghostcultman.com and I'm super stoked to be joined by
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  Scott for the first time ever. Scott of Cryptodigra, how are
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  you doing? I'm good, man, I'm good.
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  How are you? I'm really good.
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  Happy summer. You know, as I say every time
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  and every week, the world's on fire.
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  But at least we have music to talk about and no shortage of
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  good art and music and film and things to take a look at to
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  distract, distract, distract. Don't look over here at what's
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  on fire, just distract yourself. You have to look at everything
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  too much anyway. It's nice to look away.
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  Yeah, the doom scrolling will kill you.
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  So, you know, new EP coming out soon on one of our favorite
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  labels, Silent Pendulum, Shadow to the Homies and Seven Sons and
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  many other bands on that label that we're fans of.
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  They always do a really great job actually.
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  You know, they kind of fly under the radar a little bit.
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  They're not one of the big metal majors, but I feel like they
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  command that respect for themselves and all their bands
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  globally. Yeah, I mean for that, for us,
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  it was our our, our contract expired with with good fight
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  music and and it was all amicable there, but it was time
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  for us to go elsewhere. And, you know, we we took a kick
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  at some of the some of the larger labels and whatnot.
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  And and for this particular release, something short it, it
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  felt really good to go, you know, with friends, you know,
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  the owner of Asylum Pendulum, Michael Katner.
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  We had tour with him when he was in the number 12 books like you
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  many years ago and obviously remain friends.
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  So it it was always, you know, tag team say what's up in the
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  show, Hey, hey, let's do a release one day.
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  And then finally it seems like the stars in line and it was
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  time to do it. So it was.
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  It's been great. Right on.
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  I need to get a hold of Mike for an interview one of these days.
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  I plan to make my way through all the labels and, and label
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  people and, and have a chat at some point about the business
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  because I do feel like we're in a a weirdly transformative time.
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  And, you know, props to you. And I like that vibe of going
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  with friends and who you know and who you trust.
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  It's so important these days and they're so it's so hard.
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  You know, I was I was just at the record store and I have a
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  podcast about vinyl. We do nerdy deep dives on things
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  and we were talking about Melvin's reissues that came out
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  on Boner Records, which was like they were original little label
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  that they had. I've been a part of for their
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  earliest releases before they signed to the major and then
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  went back to Indy. So it's like kind of interesting
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  to look at their career and put it up against everybody else.
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  Like very few bands get to control their destiny.
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  So that's super cool that you got to, at least for this EP.
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  By the way, Genesis of Era coming out soon.
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  Yes, make sure I get that out there.
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  Yeah, no, it was, it was important, man.
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  And we, we did the big contract thing for a little bit.
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  So it's, you know, we'll probably get back to that world.
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  I, I like to think we will. But it was just, you know, we
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  got, we got 3 songs here. Why, why, why go for something
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  so big? Why get locked in something so
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  long? You know, why not just call
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  buddy and be like, hey man, you go put this thing out or what?
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  And it's it's it's been awesome, you know, you know, working.
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  And if you want to interview Mike, I mean, you might want to
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  get a poison dart and try to try to pin him down because he's in
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  like 38 bands and runs the label.
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  And good luck. That's all I have to say about
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  that. Yeah, fun fact, my super secret
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  spy favorite weapon is a blow dart gun.
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  Like, you know, like it. That shit is, you know, silent
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  but deadly from good range if you practice hard enough.
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  I had the swag of the blow dart. It's pretty awesome there.
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  It is. Nobody knows that I'm actually a
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  spy when I'm not doing music journalism or marketing.
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  My 2 careers, maybe I have 1/3 as a secret ninja.
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  Sanson. And.
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  But yeah, Silent Pendulum, if you could catch, if you could
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  stop them. You're right.
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  Could you stop them? And yeah, what a killer record.
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  And again, we followed the band for a long time.
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  Long Island, Strong Island guys. Right.
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  And we, you know, we're partly based in New York City still and
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  I live out West, but you guys have done some major tours and
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  supported some huge bands, in my opinion, like really crucial,
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  important bands. We were talking about your palm
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  reader shirt off camera there for a second.
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  I love them. And so you know it as you see
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  this EP, you've had, you know, a bunch, a bunch of other
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  releases. Where do you see the band?
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  Is this sort of a step toward the next thing?
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  Is this just one more rung on the ladder of progress you're
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  making? Is there a grander vision beyond
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  this EP? I know it's not out yet, but as
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  we talk but I'm just so captivated by the music on this.
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  Yeah, yeah, I would call this this EP in a lot of ways a
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  rebirth of the band, believe it or not.
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  It's I would describe it much less as a stepping stone and
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  more as a new beginning because we changed out a member in the
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  band. We completely started, you know,
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  re looking at the way we wrote music prior and just sort of
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  like, you know, between some of the larger tours like that you
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  mentioned, we we picked up so much from those bands and, and
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  we kind of came back, you know, what our after our last tour in
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  Europe and kind of went, we got to go back to the drawing board,
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  You know, like these. We're we're lucky to be out of
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  these kinds of bands, But you know, we watch our own set and
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  by playing, of course, and then watching their set and we go
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  like there's we're here and they're there.
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  It's time for us to figure out how to get here, you know, and
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  so when we got back from Europe in 2023, we kind of almost
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  scrapped a lot of the songs that we had maybe pulled a couple of
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  parts out of them, mostly scrapped them all and started
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  rewriting music. And then the first few songs
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  that essentially came with that were the genesis of air songs.
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  So between, you know, doing that and recording them and then
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  changing on a long time member amicably and and kind of taking
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  on a what I described as an All Star from for another band.
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  We had Vin Romanelli from Moon Tooth joined our band.
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  And anytime somebody from Moon Tooth joins your band, it's
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  like, you know, like I said, it's like drafting an All Star.
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  So that's been just like a shot in the arm for the band.
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  So yeah, Genesis felt like almost like us poking back
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  through daylights. We hadn't put out a full record
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  since 2020 and going like, hey, man, we're back.
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  Here's what it's got. Here's what to expect from the
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  band going forward. And this is literally just a
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  taste because we're about halfway through writing a record
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  already. The idea was to do an EP and
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  then pretty quickly followed up on a record.
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  So no more long gaps. For us, I like everything about
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  that. Thanks for unpacking all that.
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  And it, you know, the music business is hard to do music,
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  you know, it's it's a passion. You have to want to be, or I say
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  this all the time about death metal and it's the same thing.
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  Wherever you see yourself under the umbrella of metal, you have
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  to want to be here. Nobody is here casually.
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  You fans want to be at the shows.
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  They want to find new music to listen to.
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  We want to make music music makers.
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  We want to play shows. I imagine most of the time we
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  want to put new stuff out. So I like that, you know, sort
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  of you're sort of, you know, vision boarding your success
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  with this EP and the track, the title track is epic.
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  It's massive, but and it feels like you guys, but it does feel
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  like a leveling up of sorts. But I also love the new single
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  that just came out. It kind of reminded me of
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  Dillinger or Car Bomb the same river twice, right?
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  That's such a banger and it's so fast and and short.
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  I like that it has no fat. On it, yeah, there's there's a
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  really funny story about that song.
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  We come into the studio with three songs, of course, and
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  that's what it became. And the second track on the
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  album, Same River Twice, was about almost 5 minutes long when
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  it was first brought in to the producers we worked with who
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  were in this case were Greg Thomas and Chris Teddy over at
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  Silver Bullet Studios, who are just fucking legends.
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  I mean, the record came out amazing.
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  I can't say enough about the production, but you know, those
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  two guys took a real interest in not just recording the songs,
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  but but making them the best they could.
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  And when they they started to unpack the demos on day one and
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  kind of look at each one, they were like, look, that second
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  song the same river twice is is cool, but there's a Ripper in
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  the middle of it. And it was a more classic Kurt
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  Tedira song beforehand, which had clean sections and clean
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  vocals and, you know, these Epsom flows and they kind of
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  said, you know, track one, no Monuments does all that better
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  than track 2. So crazy idea.
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  What if you got rid of the beginning, you got rid of the
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  end, you took that awesome part in the middle and you just
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  flushed it out. And we kind of wrote a new song
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  there. And I was like, I like, it was
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  shocking. We had seven days to record the
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  ZP. And I said, you want us to
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  rewrite one of the songs? So Mike and I are other guitar
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  player. We got straight to work and just
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  he went to the rift dungeon and we said we have to write a, a an
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  ass beater and and and they and they basically challenged us to
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  do exactly that. They said, why can't, why can't
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  your band have a 2 minute song? Why not?
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  I mean, there you have a lot of nine minute songs.
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  What a 8 minute song? Why can't you have a 2 minute
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  song? I said, there's no reason why
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  Why not? I mean, we love converge, we
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  love Dillinger, we love all these bands that have dabbled in
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  the short song world. So why can't we try it?
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  So, you know, we rearranged it with Greg and and wrote a bunch
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  of new riffs and came out and it's one of my favorite songs in
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  the world to play. It's a minute and 47 seconds and
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  it is just pure fun. Yeah, you definitely hit it
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  right when you said ass beater. That's gonna be a song that's
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  gonna need to get some work live because people are gonna want to
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  mosh. I'm sure a lot of your fans are
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  just like the slow bearded head nodding dude.
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  And you know, like, oh, I love this part is my atmospheric
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  part. I love this.
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  But then you like, surprise them with the with the fast, fast
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  Ripper and oh, like, you know, it's gonna like the, it's gonna
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  be like the, the, the China Ting.
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  What? Yeah.
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  Squirrel. Right, I'm in danger.
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  Yeah. Oh, I'm in danger.
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  That's exactly right. Yeah.
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  Nice one, you know, And of course, no monuments.
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  The opener is also, like you said, super strong.
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  And I love the video for it too. I know you had kind of of a hand
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  in that, right? Yes, yeah, I did.
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  We all did. Really.
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  So funny about No Monuments is we shot it and and edited the
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  video within two weeks and we had all of it coming out.
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  I mean, we had legitimately no time, just a whole world, one of
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  some circumstances I won't bore you with.
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  But ultimately we had to go back to the drawing board from our
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  original video concept very, very, very late in the game.
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  And so our guitar player Mike took over a directorial, you
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  know, role and then help storyboard it with Vin, our bass
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  player, and Matt, our drummer. The two of them came up with the
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  concept. Mike came up with all the
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  directorial stuff of 1,000,000, you know, shot list type of
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  things with inspirations from movies and all this kind of
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  thing. And then my job was essentially
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  building the production. So everything you see all like
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  the curtain pipe and drape and all that kind of stuff.
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  I started building with two by fours and PVC pipes as quickly
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  as I possibly could, which was not all that easy.
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  We shot the video until 2:30 in the morning and there we were,
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  you know, disassembling all kinds of posts and everything in
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  a warehouse and but very happy about the way it came out.
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  I mean, it was inspired by by movies, which is what the band
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  loves. We're we're all movie guys,
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  especially Mike or guitar players, just like the biggest
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  movie geek in the world. So he went and said, like, you
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  know what, I kind of hate music videos in the sense that like,
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  you know, what music really normally looks like, especially
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  your friend. Metal bands, like why can't we
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  make them more cinematic? Why can't we draw from Hitchcock
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  and David Lynch and all these people?
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  Why do we have to draw from just like other metal videos, you
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  know, So it's a little kooky. It's a little, you know, a
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  little quirky is probably how I would describe it, but it's,
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  it's just fun. At least when I look at it back,
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  there's things I would do differently, especially with
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  more time. But I I really like that when I
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  get to look at it, I go, you know what doesn't look like a
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  lot of metal videos? It's a little, it's a little
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  out. There, you know what, I still
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  think there's a place for music videos.
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  I know they're you know, I loved it.
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  Thank you for sharing all that. I love that the whole group
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  worked on it and the production and noted Mike is a big
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  cinephile. Well, remember that for the for
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  if we ever interview Mike, you know it's I do feel like there's
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  still a place for them. They do help market the band.
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  They show the personality of the band if allowed, or the
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  personality is interpreted by a good director and you know,
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  videographer. So, you know, I, I think it's
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  super cool. I do love that video.
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  It is one of the more memorable videos to come along this year,
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  in my opinion. And I don't, and we see a lot of
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  them and some of them are you're seeing a lot of AI stuff right
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  now that I'm not a huge fan of. I'm not going to put you on the
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  spot about your opinion about AI, but yeah, two thumbs down.
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  Same here. Like, I get it.
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  That's valuable and useful. And we've had machine learning
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  for decades, right? Like correct, corrected text in
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  your phone. It still doesn't know fuck from
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  duck. But like, you know, these things
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  are helpful. But I think the overhype and
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  reliance and fear mongering, if you don't use AI, you're lost
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  and behind. If you do you use AI, you're a
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  complete scrub. I don't want to see art and
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  music Co opted and stolen from human beings making it like
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  personally. Thank you so much.
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  I appreciate that thing. I'll get off my soapbox out and
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  give the interview back to you. But good job.
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  Good job guys and thank you for making a real actual person
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  visioned and created and built video.
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  Yeah, we're not doing that. We're not doing music anymore.
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  Yeah. Oh, haha, right on.
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  And you know, so this EP is coming out and like you said,
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  it's a really good step toward the next thing.
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  You're already on the way to the next record, which is cool.
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  Hopefully we'll see that in 26. Do you have any touring plans
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  for the summer? I'm sure you can do a release
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  show right? Yeah, yeah.
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  We just got back this weekend. We did like a little regional
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  northeast thing in Maine, Connecticut, Upstate and
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  Massachusetts. And then next weekend we're
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  doing sort of home and home for any sports fans with our friends
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  at East of the Wall. So we're playing New Jersey and
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  they're home on Friday. And then we're doing a full on
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  record release show at home in Long Island for that will be
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  headlining on the 26th because the EP comes down the 25th.
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  But why not wait a day and really knock it out of the park
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  on Saturday? Besides that, we've got some
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  stuff in the fall that's yet to be announced and then let's do
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  what next year brings. Right on.
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  Well, hopefully the new album will bring you over to the West
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  Coast and all over the world. And that's my my hope for y'all
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  just in general. What else do you have going on
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  this summer? What do you do personally?
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  You got any trips planned? Do you sit at home and read
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  books? Do you just, you said the rift
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  dungeon. I love that so much.
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  You just sit in the rift dungeon and and and shred and work on
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  stuff. Yeah, I mean, you know, I live
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  in a one bedroom condo, my girlfriend, but I do the best I
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  can to make this my little Rift Studio, you know.
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  And yeah, for us, it's for me personally, it's, it's just been
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  doing a lot of the, the EP prep stuff because a lot of the sun
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  in house, you know, being in a band in 2025 is not just writing
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  music anymore. It's being a graphic designer
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  and a video editor and, and all those are roles that I take in
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  the band, especially all the graphic design stuff, any kind
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  of posting graphics and this type of thing and light video
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  editing. I'm certainly in no way shape or
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  form a real videographer, but that kind of stuff, you know, it
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  keeps me busy when we're doing all this sort of roll out stuff
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  'cause I mean, it's an amazing amount that bands have to post
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  to stay on top of things, to stay irrelevant.
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  And you're like, who is making all this shit for all these
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  fans? And in in my case it's it's
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  myself and Mike usually. So there's been a lot of that
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  lately. Then it's we just actually, Mike
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  was texting me all night last night about new songs about
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  we're, we're finally getting back to that.
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  We were in full on writing mode. And then now that the EP is
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  rolling out, we've been kind of put a pause on it.
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  But getting back to that, which has been awesome.
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  And then for me personally, man, I work my ass off.
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  I mean, that's why I was late today because I got stuck at
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  work doing my super boring day job.
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  I know it's shocking. Musicians that tour the world
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  also have horrible day jobs. I was, I was screwing signs in
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  the concrete because I work for a I'm a project manager at a
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  sign company. So, you know, not exactly the
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  most exciting thing in the world, but that keeps me busy.
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  And yeah, that's pretty much it, man.
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  It's, it's riffs. I mean, my girlfriend, I'll
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  probably be taking a little vacation out East, not not not
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  far from here, maybe like an hour out of east on Long Island,
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  do a unwind for a few days and like a nice cool old House Hotel
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  thing. And besides, that's business as
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  usual. Right on, right on.
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  I love that you mentioned that. Again, it's another sharing of
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  the wealth and the responsibility.
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  That's kind of usually my prototypical advice when it
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  comes to music marketing is I know that it's tough to get your
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  hands around the marketing of your band.
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  It's equal to your you made this video.
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  You have to put the same attention to making music as you
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  make promoting the band. And I know that's hard because
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  in the old days, musicians, we didn't have that responsibility.
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  So I love that you said you guys share the wealth and who is
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  making all this content. That is right, Someone is and I
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  think you know, the ebb and flow of, you know, a little
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  compartmentalizing I think is a real good approach to like today
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  is music. Today is riffs and songwriting
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  to to Hey, buddy, today we have to barrel down and do some
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  content. Like that's what it is.
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  I know it's an ugly word content, but it's it's what I
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  teach people. Yeah, that's true.
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  It's it's, it's, it's my least favorite part about being a man.
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  I'll be dead honest. I mean, it's fun when something
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  comes out good when you do a cool, you know, video or
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  whatever. And it's, it's rewarding to
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  people really resonate with it or enjoy it.
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  But boy, oh boy, I would just like to sit around and write,
• 16:22
  man. I'm not, It's not my favorite
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  part, but I don't, the last thing I want to do is look at
• 16:26
  Spotify numbers. Somebody brings that up and
• 16:28
  like, get it. I get it out of my face.
• 16:30
  I don't even want to think about it, you know?
• 16:31
  But it's important stuff, unfortunately for now.
• 16:33
  Yeah, I always tell people Spotify is basically, if you
• 16:37
  look at it as anything more than a search engine for your band,
• 16:40
  it's a mistake. Other platforms will pay you for
• 16:43
  playing songs and selling merch and connecting with your fan
• 16:46
  bases. Not Spotify.
• 16:48
  It sucks that they, the entire music industry kind of cave to
• 16:51
  them early. You don't, you can't listen.
• 16:54
  You can't watch a whole. I can't go watch Superman on my
• 16:57
  laptop. I mean, I probably could could,
• 16:59
  but I'm not going to watch all of Superman before I go see it
• 17:03
  in a movie theater before it comes to streaming, of course.
• 17:06
  Right. But like, why is the music
• 17:07
  industry that way? Why is it that way now?
• 17:10
  Why can a record come out and you can go, Oh cool, that band
• 17:14
  that came out, right? Let me, let me, let me check
• 17:16
  that first song. I'm not feeling the 1st 30
• 17:18
  seconds and that's it. There's no time to invest in it
• 17:20
  anymore. I mean, not not to be a boomer
• 17:23
  about it, but it's like when I was when I was young and I
• 17:25
  would, my parents would get and bring me like Best Buy or FYE or
• 17:27
  record store or whatever and be like, Hey, you can buy ACD,
• 17:30
  right? So now my budget's like 15 bucks
• 17:31
  and I would go and buy ACD. If the first 30 seconds of the
• 17:35
  first song isn't your favorite thing in the world, you don't
• 17:37
  throw the CD in the garbage. You keep listening to it and
• 17:40
  then you go, oh, wow, that was just the intro.
• 17:42
  The second track kicks ass. And then if they're, oh wow,
• 17:44
  then the 7th track is my favorite.
• 17:46
  And then those are the records you bond with, right?
• 17:48
  Like you're reading along the lyrics and you get the little
• 17:50
  booklet in your hands and those are the records that become your
• 17:52
  favorite. I mean, it's, I don't think I'm,
• 17:54
  I'm, you know, breaking a new ground by saying most people's
• 17:57
  favorite record when you're in your 30s or 40s or whatever, if
• 18:00
  your first record, if you're the most recent record you heard, is
• 18:03
  probably not, not one of your favorites of all time.
• 18:05
  It's not that it can't happen. It's not that it doesn't happen.
• 18:08
  But how often does someone tell you like, dude, that new one
• 18:11
  from last year, It's my favorite record of all time.
• 18:13
  No, it's probably something from 25 years ago, minimum from when
• 18:17
  they were a kid. And, and because there was a
• 18:19
  different bonding experience. And I'm finding it at times
• 18:21
  difficult to sort of cut through that and, and, and give people
• 18:24
  that sort of bonding experience with your music.
• 18:26
  And instead of maybe trying to do that, it's more just living
• 18:29
  with the fact that this is what it is.
• 18:30
  And and hopefully connecting people live instead because I
• 18:33
  think that's the new, the new Ave. to connect to people more
• 18:36
  than the recorded music, unfortunately.
• 18:38
  And lucky for us, we're in a weird age where vinyl came back,
• 18:41
  and I think you're a band that has always cared about every
• 18:44
  element, like your visual aspects, your artwork.
• 18:47
  So it's super cool. I'm sure to get this on vinyl.
• 18:49
  I know it's coming out in 2 variants.
• 18:51
  We'll plug that also. Silent Pendulum again, if it
• 18:54
  happens to be putting your record out, they always do a
• 18:56
  marvelous job on the packaging. It's it's really done with love
• 18:59
  and care as a vinyl nerd that collects a lot of stuff.
• 19:02
  And so, you know, I think it's pretty cool and I appreciate the
• 19:06
  the sentiment on that. It's true.
• 19:07
  It's weird, but at the end of the day, I feel like artists,
• 19:10
  you just have to make your art and hope it connects and sticks
• 19:13
  with people. I think they're hopefully this
• 19:15
  terrible new generation of people will grow into music and
• 19:18
  art and film fans and you know, not just be disposable later
• 19:23
  like all the Tick Tock. People eventually have to get
• 19:26
  their attention spans back somewhere.
• 19:28
  Hopefully it's in like 10 more years when long form things come
• 19:31
  back and appreciate it a little bit better, but we'll see.
• 19:35
  Who knows? I love to end these with a wild
• 19:37
  card question. And so my wild card question for
• 19:39
  you is let's get back into Time Machine.
• 19:42
  What is the first song or album you ever remembered loving?
• 19:45
  It could be as a child. It doesn't have to be metal.
• 19:48
  It could be embarrassing, it could be amazing.
• 19:49
  What is that first music memory of a song that made you love?
• 19:54
  Music. Let me be a couple.
• 19:55
  First of all, I'm not embarrassed about anything
• 19:57
  because everyone's musical journey gets you where he gets
• 19:59
  you. What do I care?
• 20:01
  You know, the first song, the first song that I remember, like
• 20:04
  feeling like it was mine and not just something that was on like
• 20:07
  my parents, you know, car stereo or whatever was in the end by
• 20:10
  Linkin Park, which I'm sure is many, many, many people my age.
• 20:13
  I'm 30, about to be 32, for anyone who's wondering.
• 20:16
  And I remember being in my dad's car and the shit was on the
• 20:19
  radio like every day. And I was like, this is, this is
• 20:21
  kind of awesome, you know? And you know, he would just put
• 20:23
  on whatever, you know, pop or rock radio was on at the time
• 20:26
  for his younger kids instead of listening to what he liked.
• 20:29
  And I'm glad he did because like, that felt like mine and
• 20:31
  not, and not his or my mom's. In 2004, I bought from my that's
• 20:36
  very same. Dad brought me to Best Buy and,
• 20:40
  and I bought Green Day's American Idiot and to this day,
• 20:43
  one of my favorite albums and one of my favorite bands of all
• 20:47
  time. So it hasn't changed.
• 20:48
  It's been 20 years now and absolutely no part of that has
• 20:52
  changed. I remember having that
• 20:54
  experience I detailed earlier about, you know, listening to
• 20:57
  the booklet and putting my brother's big stereo in our
• 20:59
  shared bedroom and just cranking him.
• 21:01
  And by cranking it was on like, you know, 10% because he had
• 21:04
  this giant amp that this like, you know, would never turn past
• 21:07
  like 1015% because it was so loud and just being wowed by by
• 21:12
  the songwriting. My mom had Dookie and when I,
• 21:15
  when I bought American Idiot, she was like, you like that
• 21:17
  band. I have an older one of their
• 21:18
  albums and she gave me Dookie and I was like, whoa, my God,
• 21:21
  this is unbelievable. And to this day, I'm I'm wowed
• 21:24
  by the songwriting on that record.
• 21:26
  It it there was a band that I that was kind of on the
• 21:29
  downswing coming from the warning album.
• 21:30
  And things were sort of, you know, maybe maybe people are
• 21:33
  starting to lose interest in them and they, they reinvented
• 21:35
  and re and rebirthed their entire band.
• 21:37
  And there's now there's pianos, now there's third guitar and now
• 21:40
  there's I mean, all these operatic elements to operatic,
• 21:43
  but these these sort of like production elements that weren't
• 21:46
  that were there prior. And and that band I was talking
• 21:49
  to guys about in the band the other day, it had two popularity
• 21:52
  peaks. It was like your giant 90s wave
• 21:54
  thing. And then it went down and then
• 21:57
  it did it again. And I'm like, I don't know that
• 21:59
  many bands that did it twice. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure
• 22:02
  anyone listens to like, no, you idiot, this band, that band
• 22:05
  this. But like, it's, it feels like a
• 22:06
  lot of bands had their big moment and then they kind of
• 22:09
  like dip and then they maintain they were like this.
• 22:11
  And then, and I mean, they were just as relevant when I was a
• 22:14
  kid as when somebody 10 years older than me was a kid.
• 22:18
  And I think that's awesome, you know, So just even taking still
• 22:21
  to this day, that sort of rebirthing mentality is kind of
• 22:24
  what we were thinking about when you're doing Genesis of Error
• 22:26
  was like, obviously not quite the same thing or on the same
• 22:29
  scale, but it's like, what can we add to this band that people
• 22:31
  aren't expecting? And it's not that Genesis is a
• 22:33
  giant musical departure, but it's more of like a sign of
• 22:37
  where things are going. I mean, you alluded to the last
• 22:39
  track on the album, which has got much larger sounding
• 22:42
  elements to it and in a lot of ways is slower than most of our
• 22:46
  other songs. And it doesn't jump around so
• 22:48
  much and it doesn't have so much entropy in it.
• 22:52
  And it seems to sort of revolve around an idea or two, which is,
• 22:55
  which is a fun challenge. So yeah, to wrap it back around.
• 22:57
  Those are those are where I started, yeah.
• 22:59
  Nice work, always helping out the journalist.
• 23:01
  I appreciate you with the segue back and and I love Linkin Park
• 23:06
  and Green Day unashamedly. I just saw Green Day a couple of
• 23:08
  months ago and they did both American Idiot and Dookie stuff
• 23:11
  and it was weird to see them become like a huge Metallica
• 23:14
  like band as a punk band, but also like amazing, like a very
• 23:19
  amazing across my life. And I'm a little older than you.
• 23:22
  So wild shit. Absolutely great talking to you
• 23:25
  and getting to meet you formally finally.
• 23:27
  And congratulations on the new EP coming out soon and I wish
• 23:31
  you the best. Be safe on the road and we'll be
• 23:34
  following along and I'll see you soon out there.
• 23:36
  Awesome man. Thanks so much for having me.
• 23:37
  I totally appreciate. Stay in touch.