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Overcoming All Obstacles With MATT KANE From MERTAS · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Good, how's your day going?
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  Speaker 2: I'm really good, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm Matt, nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Matt Alley, how are you, Matt?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet as, how are you going?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. So Matt from Mertes, you guys
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  Speaker 2: are all the way from the NT.
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  Speaker 1: We are, yeah, we're a punk band from North East
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  Speaker 1: Arnhem Land.
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  Speaker 3: That is so bizarre. I actually am quite familiar with
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  Speaker 3: Arnhem Land. I have family that lived many, many years
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  Speaker 3: in Owen Pelly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're on the northeast side of that.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice one. Have you been there before?
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  Speaker 2: I have.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: It's been so many years, but I am very familiar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a special part of the country, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a culture shock if you haven't been there before.
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  Speaker 3: It's maybe not what people expect, but lovely, lovely place,
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  Speaker 3: lovely people. But, yeah, so what's the weather like?
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  Speaker 2: Wet and hot?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got one time of the year it
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  Speaker 1: rains and one time it's really hot, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's all that hot. It's nice and sunny outside
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  Speaker 1: at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Nice, nice, because you're in your dry season at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: are you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are. So this is like our winter, which
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  Speaker 1: is as cold as it gets. It's around 26 degrees,
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  Speaker 1: but that's pretty cold.
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  Speaker 2: I live on the Northern Rivers. It's about the same temperature.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cold.
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  Speaker 2: I was fucking cold, I'm telling you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you fly in and out through Jabiru
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  Speaker 3: when it's– otherwise you get stuck in there and it's
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  Speaker 3: not much fun. But, yeah, so a punk band from
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  Speaker 3: NT and of all places, the far north. Tell me
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  Speaker 3: how that come about. Tell the listeners about where Murder
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  Speaker 3: started and what your inspiration has been and all the rest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just grew up going to the skate park
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  Speaker 1: all the time and I used to really like hip-hop
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  Speaker 1: sort of music and then one of my skater mates–
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  Speaker 1: showed me a bunch of, like, punk stuff and Tool
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I was like, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is cool. I could get around this. And then I
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  Speaker 1: was doing a lot of vocals in a sort of
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  Speaker 1: Rage Against the Machine-y kind of outfit, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know how to play guitar. And then I got bored.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, nice.
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  Speaker 3: I think we've got a bit of a lag happening
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  Speaker 3: at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it might be my internet
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: It was telling me there was low bandwidth despite the
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  Speaker 3: fact I pay for fast internet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's yourself, though. Sorry. Sorry, go on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you started with hip-hop and a background being
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  Speaker 3: inspired by and moved into the more doing a bit
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  Speaker 3: more heavier stuff and led you to.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say you don't play guitar? You just sing?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I do play guitar. Yeah, so that's how
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  Speaker 1: the band started. I started learning how to play guitar
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  Speaker 1: and then hit up a couple of mates and was like,
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  Speaker 1: you want to jam out? Then we started recording stuff
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  Speaker 1: and then that's about it. Just, yeah. From listening to
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  Speaker 1: my mate showing me punk at the skate park and
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  Speaker 1: then having a crack.
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  Speaker 2: Punk at the skate park. I like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: It's where all good bands start in Australia, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Somewhere in the skate park and wagging is cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So you guys are a fairly young outfit.
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  Speaker 3: So what are the age ranges for you guys?
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  Speaker 1: We're not super young.
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  Speaker 2: I'm 28. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then Drummer is, yeah, he's around that. A little
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  Speaker 1: bit younger. One of our guitar players, he's.
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  Speaker 2: A baby, though.
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  Speaker 1: He's like 20 years old.
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  Speaker 2: But my baby's 20. That's adorable. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Is that a King Giza shirt that you're wearing?
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  Speaker 2: King Stingray.
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  Speaker 1: King Stingray.
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  Speaker 2: King Stingray.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just as cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're legends. They're from the same community as us.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: They're good fellas. They are.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys are coming to Big Sound. That must
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  Speaker 2: be exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we are. We're absolutely stoked to be coming
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  Speaker 1: to Big Sound. We're pretty keen to, A, see the
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  Speaker 1: event itself and the forum and all that, but most
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  Speaker 1: of all we're really keen to just play in Brizzy
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  Speaker 1: because we've never actually played outside of the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're pretty chuffed about it. We've done heaps
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  Speaker 1: of shows around Arnhem Land and Darwin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But we've never made the trek down to Queensland to play.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's a great opportunity, yeah. And has that
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  Speaker 3: just been timeline or...? Logistics, what's been the.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a mixture of, yeah, timeline, like getting the
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  Speaker 1: stuff together. We've been playing for a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: we've only really just sort of started to get our
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  Speaker 1: band into a bit of a functioning thing for shows
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  Speaker 1: and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And logistics as well. We live in remote northeast Arnhem Land,
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  Speaker 1: so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Super easy to get there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the flights out of here, the cheapest kind of
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  Speaker 1: way is like, nearly two grand per head so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's just one way.
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  Speaker 1: Uh return-ish yeah okay depending on the day yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's so true it's those small connecting flights that
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  Speaker 3: are the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely or you or we could drive but it's
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  Speaker 1: um 12 hours to darwin on a dirt track for
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  Speaker 1: about eight of those hours you.
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  Speaker 3: Forget how far away it's Yeah, we take for granted,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when we leave where it's very urbanised, it's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but the 12 hours to drive into Darwin,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to Tannadie shopping.
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  Speaker 2: You take a plane and a drive normally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's good though. It makes it great when you
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  Speaker 1: get out of here because we love it so much,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like really exciting when you go out to
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  Speaker 1: play a show because you're met with things like stoplights.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have stoplights. We don't have any of that
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  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. We don't have Kmart. We don't have Maccas.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have any of that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just keen to eat good food in Brisbane.
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  Speaker 2: And hang out. Oh, you'll love Brisbane. Brisbane's lovely.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like a big country town. For a city,
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  Speaker 3: it's very small and welcoming. So, yeah, I hope you
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  Speaker 3: guys do have a good experience.
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  Speaker 2: Have you been there before? Is this your first time?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I have, yeah. I've got family down there now. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just never as a band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're really lucky. I'm pretty sure everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the band has friends and family there, so we're pretty
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  Speaker 1: stoked about that element and hopefully bring them out to
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  Speaker 1: our big sound sets. Getting a bit rowdy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're about to see you guys playing in
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  Speaker 2: Big Sound again.
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  Speaker 1: We're playing at Tomcat on a Tuesday night. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: really keen on that one.
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  Speaker 2: It's a late one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're playing at 11.30, so it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: the night out.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cool little dive bar. I do enjoy Tomcat.
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  Speaker 1: We've sussed it out. We're really excited for that venue.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're playing on the Thursday at 9.15pm at Rick's.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, nice. Another great venue. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually stoked. Yeah, we're actually stoked with the
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  Speaker 1: venues and the time slots and that. So thank you,
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  Speaker 1: Big Sound. Thanks for that. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Cue music, Big Sound, all the goods.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys have lived in NT your whole life
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  Speaker 3: or have you come from other areas?
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  Speaker 2: How have you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was born here.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is the spot.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle.
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  Speaker 3: So how do you find, I guess, being what you say,
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  Speaker 3: punk band and musicians, your, I guess, traction would be
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  Speaker 3: a lot of thanks to like online and social media platforms.
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  Speaker 3: Is that how you've sort of exposed yourselves and put
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  Speaker 3: yourselves out there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I do photography and videography for a living.
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  Speaker 1: So we've really tried to make a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: all here in this bedroom. Yeah. The recording, the filming,
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  Speaker 1: the videos and trying to get it out there. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: predominantly it has been And as of the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years at Darwin, we've been going to Darwin a lot,
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  Speaker 1: which has been really lucky how we've had a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a reception there with all that crew. They're just
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of legends. They've got a really nifty punk
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  Speaker 1: scene going on there and a rock and roll live shows.
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  Speaker 1: So we've been going there. We were there a few
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  Speaker 1: months ago and we're actually heading back in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks for Darwin Festival to check that out.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, nice.
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  Speaker 3: And for those who may not be aware, Darwin is
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  Speaker 3: a very, big melting pot of a lot of different
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  Speaker 3: cultures and ways of life and people and it's definitely
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  Speaker 3: not what I guess you know most people might expect
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  Speaker 3: or think it's um it's very rich in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of areas so to hear that it's got a really
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  Speaker 3: strong you know um underground scene for metal music and
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  Speaker 3: rock and that kind of then live music scene just
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  Speaker 3: in general is a really kind of it's quite a
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  Speaker 3: healthy response I.
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  Speaker 2: Guess that yeah to do the online stuff and then
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  Speaker 2: go and practice it you know real time.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah Darwin is and it's expanding ever more as
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  Speaker 1: well Darwin at the moment there's bands like Co coming
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  Speaker 1: out of there and they're like world-class heavy metal band
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  Speaker 1: that have just come out and they're all from darwin
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  Speaker 1: as well you know what's going on here.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's so funny i've seen this documentary once and
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  Speaker 3: i forget who actually had done it but it was
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  Speaker 3: about the young kids on the communities and they had
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  Speaker 3: and they all call them they're part of like groups
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  Speaker 3: but they're all based on like old school like heavy
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  Speaker 3: metal like you know guns and roses metallica and they're
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  Speaker 3: just like oh is.
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  Speaker 2: This what i hear is it Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Is this what I am?
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  Speaker 2: I think it might be. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: I come across a docker. It was bloody awesome. And
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  Speaker 2: I went, holy shit, that is so funny.
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  Speaker 3: And, yeah, these kids, these young Indigenous kids just froth
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  Speaker 3: and love that stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: And it was really cool.
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  Speaker 3: It was kind of the softer side to maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not so a darker side to the story and to
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  Speaker 3: the lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, that metal, like, softened it all. Yeah. It
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  Speaker 2: was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's great. I think it's a biased
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  Speaker 1: documentary on what I think I've seen that before. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's so cool that people are making gangs.
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  Speaker 2: Out of metal bands.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to get cancelled, but, yeah, that was
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  Speaker 3: what I was alluding to, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it is, and it was.
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  Speaker 3: Just this beautiful side of, like, that music was that
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  Speaker 3: soft side to them and, you know, heavy metal and, like,
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  Speaker 3: proper old school stuff that there's no way these kids
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  Speaker 3: should even know after these bands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to incite musicals.
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  Speaker 2: People.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's the universal language and metal. We always say the
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  Speaker 2: metal heads are the nice ones. So, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like living proof. Yeah, that was really cool.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, so coming to Big Sound in September for
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  Speaker 3: the first time as a band, which is super exciting,
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  Speaker 3: and got two gigs at Rick's and Tomcat. Who are
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  Speaker 3: you guys hoping to see while you're spending some time
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  Speaker 3: in Brisneyland?
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  Speaker 1: In Brisneyland?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to check out Indigo Blaze. I hope
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  Speaker 1: we can make it to them. Yes. I've been put
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  Speaker 1: onto them through looking at the Big Sound line-up and
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  Speaker 1: I've been sussing their music. I'm like, this is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: This is so good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm interviewing them tomorrow. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Cool. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really keen to suss
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  Speaker 1: them out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 1: This band, Blinder, that looks epic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Really keen to see... I'm assuming it's pronounced L-O-W. They're
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  Speaker 1: playing after us at Rick's Backyard, I believe, and we're
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  Speaker 1: really keen to stick around and watch them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're playing after you, say, at Rick's Backyard?
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  Speaker 1: I believe so, yeah. I might need to double-check that,
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  Speaker 1: but I was messaging them on Instagram. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to check your band out, man. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty keen to suss them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Indigo Blaze, they're from Perth. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe so, yeah. I'm very new to their
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  Speaker 1: music but I've just found them through Big Sound and
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  Speaker 1: we've been cranking them like every day. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: just epic. Their riffs are so good and the hip-hop
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  Speaker 1: element is really cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: The band around, it's cool. I think it's great music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my two favourite things are hip-hop and metal and
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  Speaker 3: when the two combined, God.
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  Speaker 2: Speak, so to speak. Very much a big fan of that. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yourself, so with your music, you described like being punk,
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  Speaker 3: sort of like punk alt-rock.
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  Speaker 2: Who were your main influences as a band? Would you
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  Speaker 2: say are?
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  Speaker 3: Well, don't you think you sound like, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: listeners can clock in if they?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we're pretty silly. I reckon people that like
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  Speaker 1: Dune Rats might like us. But we also go into
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: a bit more kind of even violent Soho-y sort of
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  Speaker 1: textures with the music. So, yeah, it's a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a mixed bag because a lot of it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: borderline pub rock. and a lot of it goes into
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  Speaker 1: a bit more, yeah, old, as you said. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably Dune Rats and Soho, I reckon. Hopefully, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we aspire to be anywhere near as good as them. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully if you like their music, you like ours.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we love both of those, the Dune Rats and
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: the Violent Soho.
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  Speaker 2: They're our big fans.
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  Speaker 3: We're big fans of those at Heavy, and they've seen
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  Speaker 3: them a few times now, so.
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  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed.
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  Speaker 3: And like, we've got some gut attraction on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just say online, which is always, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see bands younger like yourselves using that to
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  Speaker 3: the full advantage. And obviously, you know, location wise for
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  Speaker 3: you guys, it's been sort of the only way that
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  Speaker 3: you can get yourselves out there and getting to then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like you say, doing that. And then the
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  Speaker 3: live shows, there's a lot of bands out there that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, most people might only ever hear on a,
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  Speaker 3: you know, streaming that don't play live. So, to be
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  Speaker 3: able to incorporate the two and take both hands and run.
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  Speaker 2: That's really awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We try, we try to do that. It's, it's a
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  Speaker 1: hilarious chicken or the egg thing. Cause you're right. So
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  Speaker 1: you have to do the social media stuff, but. we
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  Speaker 1: just want to play live like we're live you know
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  Speaker 1: so it's i'm glad it resonates that way that's cool
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  Speaker 1: yeah hopefully we can get more gigs to make it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more in the live cool social media court.
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  Speaker 2: You may need to move out of darlin though but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah but we can't i can never leave arnhem
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  Speaker 1: land oh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah leave some part of you there but i guess
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  Speaker 3: you know if you're looking at doing that sort of
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  Speaker 3: touring and practicality wise it's um Yeah, just to be
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: able to tour.
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  Speaker 2: And stuff and, you know, Australia's going to tip like this.
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  Speaker 2: We're all living on the east coast, so. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In the southeast. But, yeah, and also, too, like, there are,
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  Speaker 3: you know, bands that have been doing it for some time.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them, I mean, some embrace the new wave
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  Speaker 3: of how music's done, which is great because obviously it
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  Speaker 3: opens up their opportunities and allows for more creativeness, too, which,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I found off the back of COVID a
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: lot of really cool stuff come out of there and,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: were all locked down and didn't have that opportunity. But
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: you get some that resist it and it's kind of,
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: you know, they're still doing their thing because, you know,
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: they have been so well known over the time. But it's,
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to get to a
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: point in which, you know, some may say it almost
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: probably is that you can't have one without the other.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you really.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's completely accurate. We all the time
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: are beating ourselves up over how much we don't do
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: the social media thing because we are very, inclined to
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: be just that live band and not take a part
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: of it I don't even have Instagram on my phone
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: or anything like that it makes me I don't like
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: it but yeah I think unfortunately it would be a
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: very hard battle to try to get known without it
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: now it's just a society.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: That we're in I think yeah absolutely and you know
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: you're we're not selling you know records in your CDs
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: in a store anymore it's you know how many streams
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: that you get and you know there's Again, that side
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: of it too, that some bands don't want to know,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: don't care, and then others, like, you know, that's how
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: they track, you.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Know, their movement and what does make them success.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: And the social media stuff and the streaming, like, they
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: really do go hand in hand because a lot of
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: it's tracked through those type of platforms anyway.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Such a thing nowadays that people, if they're going to
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: check out even your live show, they go and look
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: at your Spotify stream. and they use that as a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: judge of character, which can actually be great as the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: little underdog if you don't have many views and then
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: you rock it and someone does see the show and
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: it just blows your head off. I think that's really cool. But, yeah,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: it is definitely a struggle to attempt to do it
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: without it now, unfortunately. But some people might love.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: That, you know. Well, there are.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: People are consuming art now, so that's cool.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's able to be consumed and created in so
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: many different ways and that's the thing.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: There's so much opportunity.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Artists you have to be able to do their thing
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: and there's no i see you know say there's used
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: to be like one set path you know to success
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: and now there's just so many it's endless and that
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: i think is really cool you know for artists and
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: just music in general that you can do it there's
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: no you don't have to you can put out a
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: single and i'll put out an album for five years
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: if you want to you know there's no right or
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: wrong way to do it anymore everyone's doing what works
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: for them in whatever moment and i think it's awesome
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: um i was actually doing an interview um a while
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: ago now with, I forget, it was a band that
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: were in the States and were quite well known. I
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: just remember who it was because I talked to so
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: many people, I can't remember who. But coming from that
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: old school, you know, into the new and saying that,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you know, they embrace it because it just means, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: more people, tickets to sell at their show. So, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: that was a really cool way to sort of look
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: at that and say, yeah, you know, you can't knock
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it out and you can't.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Hide away from it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, definitely those who are like yourselves using it
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: to their full advantage are the ones that we see
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: without the ticket sales and the fans at their gigs
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and streams on their platform. So exciting stuff. So what
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: are the plans then after Big Sound over the rest
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: of the year? Have you guys got an album out
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: yet or you just got some?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: We've got two out. Yeah, we've got two that we've
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: independently put out.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nice.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: We're focusing on singles now. We've got two that we've
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: just finished. We're going to drop one before Big Sound.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't announced that yet, but I'm actually looking
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: at dropping that on August 14th, I think.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I heard it here first.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually getting a lot heavier. So, yeah, we're
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: just going to make heavy stuff now because all our
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: live shows have just been. So we're like, yeah, this
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: is what we like. So we're going to go with that.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Old school crowd surfing. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So we'll drop a single before Big Sound. And then
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: after Big Sound, we've got another one that we're going
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to chuck out. pretty quickly after that and then from
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: there no immediate plans for shows for like we were
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: speaking about before it is a bit of a struggle
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: to get out of Arnhem Land financially to tour and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that so yeah we we just need some more opportunities
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to come up and we'll jump right at them so
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: yeah anything yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And I guess too like having that time afterwards it
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: would be a good time for you to sit down
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: and like digress and go through you know how it
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: was and what worked and like what you'd like to
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: maybe do different you've got that space to sort of
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: really focus and plan that out but um I guess
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: you guys had to organise all your merch too. So
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: live gigs and merch, they're two ways. You can make
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: that money so you can do more. So, yeah, you're
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: taking some merch over with you when you come?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we've been stoked with the response that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: our merch has had with people. It blows us away
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: how many people will cop it and we see wearing
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: them around town or even in Darwin and that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all on our website. A little hyperlink
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: thing in our Instagram if anyone wants to.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Buy a t-shirt or a record. Yeah, that little thing, yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the little magic box. So, yeah, check them out, guys, Murtis.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: We're keen to get a hold of you and see
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: you live in action and become big sound in September.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: So go and show them some love over on their
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: socials and let them know what you think. And hopefully
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: we'll see some more of you guys after the festival
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and come back down this way soon.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: We'll put you on a really long rope and anchor
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: out of Darwin and we'll just like anchor you to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the end.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll jump on. Yeah, we'll hold on tight.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: We'll get there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a retractable lead.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you, Heavy Mag people. This is sick.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you and congratulations
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: on Big Sound and all the rest and your new
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: album and on your single, sorry, and look forward to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: catching you guys at the festival.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Thank you very much.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: No worries. You take care. See you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You too, eh?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Bye-bye.