Latest / The Sheppertonian (for Shepperton village) / 🏠 Maureen Attewell and Sinéad Mooney: your West Surrey councillors
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- 0:44You realise behind every kind of budget lined case file there is a group of young people or a person sitting behind that who is affected and impacted by the decisions those local authorities make.
- 0:57We will be the contact point and the voice for residents in Laleham and Shepperton, and we're really looking forward to that role.
- 1:07Hello and welcome to the Sheppertonian.
- 1:09I'm Gareth and this is the local podcast bringing you stories and voices from in and around Shepperton.
- 1:14Before we begin, a thank you to the local businesses in the business Club, the Ferry Coffee Shop at Shepperton Lock, Meon Media and Island Motors.
- 1:23Their backing is what keeps these stories being told.
- 1:26And drumroll please.
- 1:28Some big news.
- 1:29Guardian Angel Carers, the home care team on Shepperton High street are now the sponsor of the Sheppertonian Weekly, the newsletter that lands in your inbox every Thursday.
- 1:39Louise and her team are about as community minded as a business gets and I'm really pleased to have them with us.
- 1:45Thank you, thank you, thank you.
- 1:47Now, on the 1st of April next year, the councils that have run Shepperton for as long as most of us can remember will stop existing.
- 1:55Spelthorne Borough Council and Surrey County Council hand over to one new authority.
- 2:01West Surrey Council following me so far.
- 2:04Six borough councils and the western half of Surrey County Council become one, stretching from the Thames here in Shepperton to Farnham and Haslemere.
- 2:14So I sat down with two of the people elected to represent Laleham and Shepperton on the new authority.
- 2:21Maureen Attewell has been a Shepperton councillor since 2015 and for now sits on all three councils at once.
- 2:28SineéadMooney is deputy leader of Surrey County Council and chairs the committee that scrutinises the new one.
- 2:35So I wanted to know what the job actually is, why anyone does it and what happens next.
- 2:41Three councils, one ward and an inbox that doesn't care which is which.
- 2:45When I was first a borough councillor, it took some getting used to because I'd moved from Ealing where there was one council and residents are still confused today.
- 2:55They still write to you.
- 2:56They know for me, my borough email is clearer for everybody.
- 3:00They write to me about and I just transfer that email over.
- 3:04If it's correspondence that email over and I write to them and explain from there, that's fine, just move this over to here.
- 3:11But it's a question that doesn't come up quite so much now.
- 3:16I think people are more informed generally than they used to be, but we just manage that and we Take that inquiry over to the other council and very clear to us, of course, and we try and help them
- 3:30with whatever that query is.
- 3:32Surrey is the statutory, at the moment, all the statutory services, including highways, which is majority of our inquiries.
- 3:41Unfortunately,.
- 3:42Sineéad'sweek runs across two councils, one on its way out and one on its way in.
- 3:48Really busy and really varied.
- 3:50And I actually think that's what I really love about being a councillor.
- 3:54I used to say no day is the same, now it's no hour is the same, really, because you can be in a strategic investment board at Surrey County Council for a meeting and then you can be dealing with
- 4:07a resident's concern about a pothole or a social care concern.
- 4:11And then there's the inbox.
- 4:13It can be about the roads.
- 4:15If somebody comes out of their house in the morning and they find that there's roadworks cropped up, emergency works, and they can't get to where they need to get, often they pick up the phone straight away and you
- 4:24get.
- 4:25You can get a very angry call, which obviously you look into to find out what's happening.
- 4:30Or it can be something very different.
- 4:33It can be from somebody that's needing some help with some care for their.
- 4:37For their loved ones or, you know, families.
- 4:40So it is very varied, but very rewarding being able to actually achieve and sort out issues for people that are really important ones.
- 4:52We hear a lot about planning.
- 4:55That is a big concern for residents, particularly, I would say, in Shepperton.
- 4:59That's what we heard a lot about when we were out speaking to people.
- 5:03We also get a lot of contact from people who need support and we often have to provide information to them on accessing food banks, for example, because people are really struggling, I think, with the cost of living crisis
- 5:17especially.
- 5:18Big challenge for everybody.
- 5:20So you have to have in your armoury quite a broad depth of knowledge and where you don't have that knowledge, there's a really good officer team both at borough and county.
- 5:32Roads planning, food banks.
- 5:34The part of the job most of us never see is the call that comes in before nine from someone whose day has already gone wrong.
- 5:42Most people never think about standing for election.
- 5:45I wanted to know what made that decision for Sineéadand Maureen.
- 5:48For.
- 5:48For me, it's very much a natural progression from working with people.
- 5:54As a housing officer for London Borough, I kind of learnt an awful lot doing those roles over quite a number of years.
- 6:03So for me it was very much about kind of progressing into this role, because I think I've always worked with Supporting and assisting vulnerable people, people facing various challenges, antisocial behavior, for example, domestic abuse, support families, households through
- 6:22those difficult times.
- 6:24So becoming a councillor very much felt a natural progression.
- 6:28I think being a councillor, being an advocate for people and representing them, perhaps where they don't have the voices or even the confidence sometimes, or the knowledge of how local government and bureaucracy could often work.
- 6:43I kind of enjoy that.
- 6:45Very similar to Sinead.
- 6:46I'd worked for ealing council for 26 years.
- 6:5018 years of that was in housing.
- 6:52I started as a housing officer, knocking on people's doors, large estates in Ealing, knocking when there were issues that needed to talk to them about sometimes their children, how they were behaving locally, and then progressed up the line
- 7:05and was ending up managing that service into housing.
- 7:10And I progressed then into children's social care, dealing with complaints, and had a lot of family contacts there.
- 7:17With families facing intervention from social services at the time and the difficulties that brought them.
- 7:25I've worked to policy set for those councils at a local level and I thought, maybe I can contribute.
- 7:33I'd already moved to Shepperton 10 years before.
- 7:35Loved the community spirit, but very aware there's different pockets, you know, across Shepperton, Sheppaerton Green.
- 7:44People living in social housing and facing all of the difficulties I was used to dealing with.
- 7:49Ealing to Shepperton, a London borough, to a riverside village.
- 7:54Moving to Shepperton was a big thing for me.
- 7:56Very different council, very different living in a London borough.
- 8:00We stopped going away at weekends because all week you were driving out of the area to work back in Ealing and the weekends we were just getting taken by all that was going on around locally and I thought
- 8:12I could make some difference from a point of view I had something to offer that could make a difference.
- 8:18And I took early retirement from Ealing on the December and started campaigning in the January because I really wanted to do it.
- 8:28The best thing I ever did, the best thing I ever did.
- 8:32Sometimes the push comes from somewhere you don't expect.
- 8:35I was the chairman of a charity that supported young children and the borough council.
- 8:43There was some engagement there that wasn't going quite the right way.
- 8:47The committee members felt, the organisation felt.
- 8:51So I really advocated on behalf of these group of young people and that there was some progress as a result of that.
- 8:59I think it was there that you realise behind every kind of budget lined case file there is a group of young people or a person sitting behind that who is affected and impacted by the decisions those local authorities
- 9:15make.
- 9:16Another reason was over a planning issue close to where I lived.
- 9:20And I was, again, a member of a residents association, was asked to speak against that application at a planning committee.
- 9:27And those really are the two instances that drove me.
- 9:31Because you can make changes, you can have a powerful voice.
- 9:36If you understand what's in front of you in terms of planning policies or different bureaucracy or constitutions or all types of things, you can have a loud voice and you can make a powerful impact for the better.
- 9:52Neither of them describes politics as a career change, more like the next step in a job they were already doing.
- 9:59Some of the most important work in a village never makes it onto a council agenda.
- 10:03One of the first things that cropped up within that first year or so was the Alzheimer's Alliance.
- 10:09They approached Spelthorne.
- 10:11They had a special project at that time of trying to start dementia friendly boroughs.
- 10:16I'd already met some local people working with dementia and had had it in the family.
- 10:21Myself, my husband's mother had severe dementia and I thought, I think this is a great idea.
- 10:28And when we wanted to trial it, the officer said, we want to trial this in one.
- 10:33I said, well, it's got to be Shepperton.
- 10:35We've got such a community, it was such a good place to start.
- 10:39So we set it up.
- 10:40That was in 2018, at the local level, Spelthorne dementia support, known as our Purple Angels.
- 10:48They were a key part of it, but we brought in some members from the church.
- 10:52We tried somebody from the gps, you know, medical practice.
- 10:57The Burlington care home had not long been built and the manager there was very keen to be involved because they had specialist dementia assigned to the care home.
- 11:08And it was really very good and we were looking at projects.
- 11:10And then Covid came.
- 11:12Some things stall, some things find another way.
- 11:16The Purple Angels were facing their 10th year anniversary and they thought, wouldn't it be nice if we could have a little choir?
- 11:23Mandy, one of the members of the Purple Angels, already joined the wider choir in Spelthorne that Kelly Stewart had began.
- 11:34And she asked her, could you come and teach us to sing?
- 11:37And Kelly embraced that.
- 11:39Never thought it would, you know, get to where it is now, but.
- 11:43And that was how it started.
- 11:44A weekly lesson on a Friday.
- 11:46I was actually part of that learning.
- 11:49It's quite surprising.
- 11:50You find a voice you didn't think you had singing voice.
- 11:53You might have done it when you was at school and look how that's progressed and such a success.
- 11:58And Kelly has given her time free for that purpose.
- 12:02A weekly lesson given for free.
- 12:04That grew into something Nobody planned.
- 12:07Just off the high street in Glebeland Gardens, there's a building a lot of Shepperton walks past without ever going in.
- 12:13Our community centre at the heart of Shepperton, you know, our Greeno Centre and the services that are there.
- 12:19A lot of people don't realise the services can suit everybody, so some of our older people will come in and take Pilates class.
- 12:28It houses the dementia support group.
- 12:31They're based from there.
- 12:32If you're feeling a little bit Mondayish, pop into the centre, sit in for an hour on the dementia group and the clients come in, the music starts and the feet start tapping and you go out with a warmer
- 12:46heart.
- 12:47It cannot not affect you.
- 12:49You can go in and see the chiropodist, you can have your hair done, all at reasonable price, all under one roof.
- 12:56So one lady goes in and has her hair done on Friday morning before choir practice.
- 13:02Used to come with her husband.
- 13:03She was his carer.
- 13:05And what I really like about our dementia service within the Greeno Purple Angels is her husband passed away very sadly.
- 13:14She had immense support and then there is a wraparound service for her to still come along to that dementia group and receive that support and that, for me, you cannot be unaffected by hearing, you know, the great things
- 13:31that are happening in Shepperton while we're all passing by and up, up the high street and rushing to do whatever we're doing.
- 13:37This is the thriving work.
- 13:39That's the kind of thing a budget line doesn't show you.
- 13:42Places like this are paid for by councils and in five months, the councils change.
- 13:48The biggest challenge at the moment is, is keeping that centre.
- 13:52When funds begin to be looked at.
- 13:54It's not clearly known yet.
- 13:56Going to West Surrey, you know exactly how that budget is going to be.
- 14:00There's no doubt about it.
- 14:01I think it's fair to say that West Surrey and East Surrey will have really difficult financial challenges, and that's mainly due to a cut in the central government grant, quite substantial cut.
- 14:15The draft budget will be coming to overrun scrutiny at West Surrey, which I chair at the moment, in December.
- 14:22So I think more will become much clearer then about the scale of the issue and what that may indeed touch.
- 14:29Maureen's been involved in the Greenough Centre for so long and a real advocate for that centre.
- 14:34I've kind of joined her in that and seen the real value it brings, particularly around social isolation, which can be a big trigger for dementia at times.
- 14:43So I know that we will be probably the loudest voices in the.
- 14:47That West Surrey Chamber around protecting the Greenough, the Forbridge and Staines Community Centre.
- 14:53But obviously for our electorate, our focus is on the Greeno.
- 15:43And then there's the golf course.
- 15:45The site sits just outside their own ward in the gap between Shepperton and Upper Halliford.
- 15:51That hasn't kept it out of their inbox, though.
- 15:53This has generated an awful lot of concern locally.
- 15:58We received so much contact about it, we did actually publish an open letter that we wrote to the three ward councillors, asking them to call the item in to the planning committee.
- 16:07And they have done that and we're very pleased that they've done that.
- 16:11It's a significant proposal that's been put forward.
- 16:14507 homes with other facilities on the site and residents are really concerned about issues such as impact on local traffic.
- 16:26The scale of the development is a big concern.
- 16:29Can the existing infrastructure be withstand that?
- 16:32507 odd homes.
- 16:35You've also got flooding, which is a huge issue in Spelthorne, and the impact on that.
- 16:40And then just.
- 16:41I think the other point that's made by many residents is just the impact on the character of the local area.
- 16:48Whilst I do recognise there is a need for housing, particularly genuinely affordable housing in Spelthorne, the development must be right.
- 16:57It must absolutely be right.
- 16:59Development should improve the local communities.
- 17:02It's not simply about adding pressure to existing infrastructures.
- 17:05And when the application reaches Spelthorne's planning committee, of course we will share the date in the Sheppertonian Weekly.
- 17:12Shepperton lives with the Thames on its doorstep most days.
- 17:15That's the best thing about it.
- 17:16It's lovely actually, isn't it, to be able to live so closely to the river.
- 17:21Big parts of Spelthorne are in that great position, but.
- 17:24But with that comes challenges around flooding.
- 17:27And I do remember the 2014 floods really, really well and how catastrophic they were for residents and Spellthorne, Runnymede, et cetera.
- 17:36I hadn't lived anywhere before that could face flooding.
- 17:39And this was an immense thing.
- 17:41You know, in actual fact, it took me a while to realise, cause I wasn't a councillor then, to realise that this wasn't gonna be a regular occurrence.
- 17:48And when the police knock on your door and say you're not at the moment.
- 17:52But actually it wasn't a police officer, it was an army officer knocked on the door and said, we are recommending that people where you are pack a bag, because the very next stages we could be asking you to
- 18:05leave home.
- 18:06That is when, as an average resident not living beside the river and having perhaps experienced that before hits home.
- 18:16And so, you know, for me, that was shocking.
- 18:18That was 12 years ago.
- 18:19The water went down, the sandbags went back, and the question of how to stop it happening again has been running ever since.
- 18:26The River Thames scheme.
- 18:28Everything was running very smoothly.
- 18:29It was going through its process.
- 18:31Few challenges on the way, particularly for Shepperton at one point, and it has slowed down and we're waiting, really, for more news to come out.
- 18:40It's being led, actually, by the Environment Agency.
- 18:43The government are doing a reset on it, but they haven't issued that yet.
- 18:49And Both the Runnymede MP, Dr.
- 18:53Ben Spencer, and our very own Spelthorne MP, Lincoln Jopp, are pushing hard in Parliament to know when the timeline is going to be released for this project to go ahead.
- 19:06But so far, there's not been a commitment for that date as yet.
- 19:09But they're both pushing and we're all kind of waiting to hear that from central government.
- 19:14For anyone who was here in 2014, a timeline is not an abstract thing.
- 19:19Back up from the river to the high street.
- 19:22A problem, of course, for small businesses to take over the vacant units is that we do have landlords that own different runs of the shops, different sections of them, and a couple of small businesses I've been aware of
- 19:36since I've been a councillor that actually, you know, closed because of the increase in the rents, and then they've got the business rates and everything else on top.
- 19:45For example, you know, the florist that was.
- 19:48I know we've got a nice new florist, but they took to working from a warehouse over Penton Hook way, and it's worked very well.
- 19:56They work online only.
- 19:57But isn't that such a shame, because they got involved with the business community as it was.
- 20:03Th were very involved.
- 20:04In the early days of Big Tree Night, we started at one point to develop a business watch with the police because of the shoplifting had got to such a high level and the shops were really struggling with that.
- 20:17Sainsbury's had taken all their bottles of Spirit off the shelf and we had an evening, it was well advertised and one shopkeeper turned up.
- 20:27So, of course you're talking about shops, bigger shops, where they have managers in place.
- 20:31They don't live in Shepperton, so it's trying to bring all of that together and I think to be able to build that business community - which, of course, is something you're very much involved in yourself, Gareth - would
- 20:44be extremely good, but it is difficult for small shops to start because of the footfall, going to council meetings in the evening, you'd come through Shepperton and it's a real sleepy village.
- 20:56I've noticed it in the last couple of weeks.
- 20:59There is much more activity in the evening and that's something we need to keep an eye on, really, and see how we build on that.
- 21:06It's easy to talk about High street as if it's one thing.
- 21:09It's landlords and rents, a supermarket shelf, a window display and whoever turns up to the meeting.
- 21:16Sinead has been one of Shepperton's councillors since May.
- 21:19The local community really really value the high street, definitely.
- 21:23And the independent shops, I mean, I was picking that up really loudly and when we use social media, I'm finding it's quite interesting, really, because I put a post out, just a little Halloween type post of two shop
- 21:36fronts next door to each other and they've done these really good, like window displays and it got loads of likes.
- 21:43Whereas if you put something maybe about highways update, you know that real passionate feeling and strength of commitment may not quite be there so much.
- 21:53So the independent shops are really, really, really good.
- 21:56There's some really, really good quality independent shops there and I think people really value that as well, those smaller independent shops.
- 22:03I think the high street, keeping it looking good and clean and well maintained is a really important thing and I see us as quite pivotal in that as elected members.
- 22:15I think the library as well is really important to the high street.
- 22:18And again, going back to the conversation about the Greenough, that's something that we'll certainly look and seek and work hard to protect in the West Surrey Chamber.
- 22:27Window displays and the library, the small things that make a High street feel looked after and noticed.
- 22:33Which brings us to the 1st of April.
- 22:36Of all the days to pick,.
- 22:38We hope they notice very little actually on their festing day, as it's technically called, on the 1st of April.
- 22:44So at the moment we're kind of working hard in West Surrey to make sure that come vesting day, the 1st of April next year, what's in place is the shutter of a safe and legal council to go live
- 22:57on that day.
- 22:58So that's the kind of work that's going on in the background at the moment for this shadow year.
- 23:03Just to add though, Gareth, it's a huge undertaking to change council structures and something like this has not happened for decades and decades and decades.
- 23:13It really is huge.
- 23:14And not wanting to diminish that, but I do see our roles really as making sure, there is as little disruption as possible to residents.
- 23:24One council, one inbox, one job.
- 23:26For two people used to spinning plates, that's quite a thought.
- 23:30Every council in this story arrives with its own history and its own bills.
- 23:35Surrey County Council's own figures put the debt West Surrey inherits at around 4 billion pounds, roughly half of it from Woking.
- 23:43We have to be completely open with residents about the financial challenges and West Surrey, as we all know, is inheriting some really difficult financial debts from particularly Woking and Spelthorne.
- 23:57But there is government support.
- 23:59It is really positive that government recognition and support of those unique circumstances for West Surrey is recognised and they have committed to support West Surrey with that and that won't be at the expense of Woking.
- 24:13Or Spelthorne council taxpayers, because that was a concern that we.
- 24:18We were hearing.
- 24:20This has to work.
- 24:21The government want it to work.
- 24:23It was their idea in the first place.
- 24:25It has to work.
- 24:26A positive for us is that we at the moment are managing three laptops.
- 24:32Sineéad,you know, as cabinet member for adult social care and myself, deputy cabinet member for children's services at Cross Sew, which is a vast role.
- 24:41We have special responsibilities that we juggle with our divisional work and we do it very well because that's our approach to working.
- 24:49But we will not have that.
- 24:51We will be, you know, councillors in the new unitary.
- 24:54Going to have a lot more time, actually.
- 24:56Really looking forward to that.
- 24:58A lot more time to spend all on local issues.
- 25:02And the most important role for us, although we also have, you know, would look at the wider Spelthorn, you know, as overall as West Surrey councillors, is we will be the contact point and the voice for residents in
- 25:18Lelham and Shepparton across the division, and we're really looking forward to that role.
- 25:25The draft budget is due in December.
- 25:27When the papers are published, we'll point you to them and to what they mean for Shepperton councils, committees, budgets, boundaries.
- 25:35It's a lot of structure for a place that mostly runs on people turning up at the end.
- 25:40I ask them both for one thing that they want Shepperton to hold onto.
- 25:44A very simple one for me is its sense of community.
- 25:49The community already has, and build on that however we can, with our contribution to that and our support.
- 25:57You'd like to think that many areas have these communities, but Shepperton is quite unique in a community it has.
- 26:05And the same goes for Laleham and Charlton Village.
- 26:08I mean, we keep talking about Shepperton, but when I say that that includes the other two areas.
- 26:13It's the whole division.
- 26:14The community spirit here is huge.
- 26:17I mean, Charlton Village, the quiz nights, Laleham as well, the Halloween parties, we go to all kinds of things.
- 26:24It's truly tremendous.
- 26:25But the only thing I would say is I think this whole local government restructure has taught us both, actually, that local government structures can change and they will change.
- 26:37Political landscapes change and constitutions, you know, the whole local government bureaucratic way of working, that can also change.
- 26:46But what doesn't change is communities like Shepperton.
- 26:50And that's the most important thing.
- 26:51The last couple of years, residents, you know, on social media and talking to you and talking about, why have some areas got poppies up in the village or in their, you know, high streets?
- 27:02Why don't we have them here?
- 27:04And we had discussions with the residents association.
- 27:06They felt that they take part in the trees.
- 27:10You know, Carl is very active on working with the businesses.
- 27:13The Big Tree Night Committee, actually, and that's getting the shops to sponsor the tree outside.
- 27:19They couldn't take on any more of that.
- 27:21So actually, two local ladies said, well, if you can help us fund these poppies that go up, we'll take the responsibility for it.
- 27:30So we did that last year, myself and borough colleague, we funded buying the poppies from our community grants, which we have, and they put them up.
- 27:39Last year I helped them put them up.
- 27:41My husband helped put them up.
- 27:42Some of them, the higher ones, it was very successful.
- 27:46And this year they said, we take responsibility for that.
- 27:50That's what we said we'd do.
- 27:51They don't live on the high street, they live in Shepperton Green.
- 27:55And they said they wanted to take the responsibility for that.
- 27:57If we could just help with a bit of funding.
- 27:59And if you've walked down the high street in the last week or so, you'll have seen them.
- 28:03That was Maureen Attewell and SineéadMooney, your councillors for Laleham and Shepperton, on the upcoming West Surrey Council.
- 28:09If you want to get in touch with them or with anyone who represents you between now and April, there's a page for exactly that on the website.
- 28:16It's called Your Local Representatives at thesheppartonian.uk and the link is in the show notes.
- 28:22And it's an interesting thought, isn't it?
- 28:24The councils change in April.
- 28:26The people who put the poppies up don't.
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- 29:35I'm Gareth.
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- 29:38Until next time.
- 29:39I'll see you around.