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The Late Debate | 25 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately German.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate. Well, thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 2: on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling it again
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  Speaker 3: for Caleb Bond, who's hosting The Bolt Report this week.
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  Speaker 2: Is the awesome Joe Who'll.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously I'll be filling in for Andrew Bolt next week.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure everyone will be totally cool with.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the show.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot we've got to talk about the circuses
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  Speaker 3: coming to Sydney, but the Greens want to shut it down,
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  Speaker 3: which is a surprise to all of us because I
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  Speaker 3: thought the Greens loved clowns. Plus, when we look at
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  Speaker 3: what's making news in tomorrow's papers, taxes to rise in
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  Speaker 3: order to pay for sewage in one of Australia's major
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  Speaker 3: cities and a Northern Territory town with the most confusing
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  Speaker 3: alcohol laws you've ever heard.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about all of that a little later, but first.
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  Speaker 3: It's not often that you see One Nation and the
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  Speaker 3: Greens on a unity ticket, but we live in strange time.
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  Speaker 3: South Australian One Nation MP Sarah Game has received support
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  Speaker 3: from the Greens for her proposal to light up Adelaide
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  Speaker 3: monuments for Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I can understand the Greens calling.
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  Speaker 3: For monuments to be lit up to support Palestine, but
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  Speaker 3: what on earth is a one nation politician thinking calling
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  Speaker 3: for this? Sarah Game wrote to the South Australian Premiere
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  Speaker 3: and in the letter she said, I would like to
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  Speaker 3: see the government light up the city landmarks of Adelaide
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  Speaker 3: to show respect, empathy and solidarity with the South Australian
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian community, which begs the question, of course, lives what
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  Speaker 3: about the South Australian Jewish community.
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  Speaker 2: She goes on to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, by lighting up the city landmarks of Adelaide, you're
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  Speaker 3: not only brightening the physical landscape that's wonderful, but also
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  Speaker 3: illuminating the path toward understanding and cooperation, which of course
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  Speaker 3: begs the question does it not? How do you illuminate
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  Speaker 3: the path to cooperation by lighting up the city on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of only one of the participants in this conflict?
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  Speaker 3: Tell you what has been illuminated, and that's Sarah games
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  Speaker 3: inability to read the room. Sarah Game has been very
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  Speaker 3: good on so many issues.
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  Speaker 2: What on earth has happened to her?
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  Speaker 1: Liz?
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  Speaker 5: I think as the war wears on the war war
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  Speaker 5: war on. People are beginning to not turn in their
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  Speaker 5: opinion on this, but the reality of one side being
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  Speaker 5: more powerful than the other, the reality of the death
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  Speaker 5: count on either side, the reality that there are no
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  Speaker 5: KPIs for this mission to eradicate her mass, and the
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  Speaker 5: realization that in fact, for every killed killed in Palestine,
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  Speaker 5: you've just created ten more Jihadis who will probably hate
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  Speaker 5: Israel till they're dying death because of what has happened
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  Speaker 5: in Gaza since the seventh of October. So I would
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  Speaker 5: love to know her personal reasons, but I certainly know
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  Speaker 5: just amongst the people that I've been talking to, it's
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  Speaker 5: not that sentiment is shifting, or that people's ally ship
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  Speaker 5: and their loyalty to Israel is changing, but certainly a
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  Speaker 5: deeper awareness of what's going on in the ground in Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: Whereas for so long we've been able to just be like, well,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to eradicate her mass, but we've got to
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  Speaker 5: get these hostages back, etc. And so on. I think
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  Speaker 5: people nine months on are just going, well, hang on
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  Speaker 5: a minute, are we ever going to be able to
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  Speaker 5: eradicate her mass? Hang on a minute, do we even
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  Speaker 5: know that the remaining hostages are still alive. Is this
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  Speaker 5: just going to go on forever? And I think it's
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  Speaker 5: genuinely a growing awareness.
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  Speaker 3: Is a growing awareness or is an incredible naivety that
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  Speaker 3: oh gee, war is messy and people get killed and
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  Speaker 3: it tends to go on for a long period of time.
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  Speaker 3: I should point out that the South Australian Premiere and
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Opposition have rejected Sarah Game's suggestion. Right Pauline
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  Speaker 3: Hanson was asked to comment on her MP suggestion and
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  Speaker 3: she declined to do so. I dare say, knowing Flen Hansen,
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  Speaker 3: there's a couple of discussions happening behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: She's previously said that Palestine and Hamas are one and
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  Speaker 4: the same, so I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty sure she's not going to be.
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  Speaker 4: Backing lighting up the city of Adelaide in support of
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  Speaker 4: her mass if she thinks of the same thing. I
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  Speaker 4: thought that was excellent analysis, Liz, but I think this
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  Speaker 4: actually gives.
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  Speaker 1: Far too much credit to Sarah Gabe.
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  Speaker 4: What we are seeing here is a classic example of
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  Speaker 4: the far right and the far left bending around and
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  Speaker 4: ending up thinking and saying and supporting the same things.
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  Speaker 4: This is not the first time that this has happened.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I was talking to a four source of
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  Speaker 4: minor former Green who reminded me during the bidds the boycott,
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  Speaker 4: divestment and sanctions campaign against Israel many many years ago,
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  Speaker 4: about a decade ago, some of the crazies that this
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  Speaker 4: attracted to the Greens campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this was a Greens campaign.
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  Speaker 4: It was led primarily by the mayor of Marrickville or
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  Speaker 4: mayor of Leichhart, sorry I think it was who ran
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  Speaker 4: for the state seat of Merrickfield who was a Greensman.
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  Speaker 4: They took it over and so we had a local
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  Speaker 4: council doing foreign policy on the run calling for a
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  Speaker 4: boycott of Israel. And the funny thing is ten years
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  Speaker 4: ago when you start to go after absolutely the Greens
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  Speaker 4: have been going after Israel for years and years, and
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  Speaker 4: he has nothing to do with his current invasion or
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  Speaker 4: attack or ground war against Gaza or whatever they want
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  Speaker 4: to call it.
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  Speaker 1: They have been after forever.
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  Speaker 4: And who do they get showing up to one of
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  Speaker 4: their little fundraisers to support their campaign against Israel But
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  Speaker 4: a certain Holocaust denier who obviously denying the Holocaust, has
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  Speaker 4: pretty extreme far right views and pretty extreme far right
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  Speaker 4: links and this guy rocks up to their fundraiser and
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  Speaker 4: he's all for it, and they're all on the same side.
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  Speaker 4: So the far right and the far left end up
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  Speaker 4: on the same side.
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  Speaker 3: I pick you up on that, though, aside from I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure Pauline Hanson would like to be characterized as
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  Speaker 3: far right, but in.
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  Speaker 5: A shame category as a Holocaust tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Game is not representing one nation policy she's going against.
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  Speaker 1: So you end up.
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  Speaker 4: Again, this is what happens when you drift too far
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  Speaker 4: from the center of the mainstream of politics. This is
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  Speaker 4: what happens. You end up going so far to the
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  Speaker 4: edge that it loops around again and again. An example,
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  Speaker 4: another example where they're on a unity ticket. The Greens
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  Speaker 4: and people on the hard right are now fully supporting
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  Speaker 4: Julian Assange, while people in the middle of are like,
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  Speaker 4: hang on a minute, there's something about but if you
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  Speaker 4: about this guy, they've got you know, you know, for
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  Speaker 4: better or worse. But you've got Bernie Sanders supporters and
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump supporters who are all in on Julian Nossange,
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  Speaker 4: which I know we're going to talk about later. So
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  Speaker 4: this is a phenomenon politics. It comes up again and again.
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  Speaker 5: And again I don't think we can describe it as
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  Speaker 5: a phenomenon and gospel truth when you've just brought up
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  Speaker 5: not even a handful of examples, all involving one person.
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  Speaker 5: So one Holocaust denier attended this thing in Marritckville ten
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  Speaker 5: years ago, and Sarah game, who's.
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  Speaker 1: The great on the greens and helments? No, no.
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  Speaker 4: Them an empire, that's Ottoman Empire joined Kaiser Wilhelm the
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  Speaker 4: Second's World War right because of the Kais of Wilhelm's side,
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  Speaker 4: a little gus, Come on, guys, you know we've got
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  Speaker 4: so much in common. You know, we both I don't
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  Speaker 4: know nothing the Jews. We both got to sing against
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  Speaker 4: the Jews. And that was one of the little sweetness
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  Speaker 4: that was part of the propaganda that the Kais Wilhem
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  Speaker 4: put out there. And again, this is when Jews were
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  Speaker 4: actually fighting for the Germans. So that was an even
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  Speaker 4: more horrendous betrayal. But I can absolutely promise you there
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  Speaker 4: is if you think there is no link, I mean
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  Speaker 4: there are far right groups everywhere who are pro Palestine
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  Speaker 4: because they think it will sort out the Jews.
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  Speaker 5: For the current lump the far right in there these days,
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  Speaker 5: anyone with a critical thought in their head is called
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  Speaker 5: far right.
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  Speaker 4: I think, look, I understand why people vote for one
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  Speaker 4: nation are attracted to it, but some of the stuff
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  Speaker 4: they say, I think you could pretty much pretty easily
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  Speaker 4: characterize if one nation have got again, although again it
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  Speaker 4: also mixed up as well. It also joins far left
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  Speaker 4: because a lot of these hard ride are far right
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want to call parties, are also really anti capitalism,
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  Speaker 4: anti liberal economics. So again you see this thing where
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  Speaker 4: they join up with people, you know, socialist parties. That's
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  Speaker 4: certainly nationalized interest, that's certainly not one nation.
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  Speaker 3: But whatever problems one nation might have with Sarah Game,
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  Speaker 3: they are nothing compared to the problems that Anthony Albernizi
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  Speaker 3: has got with his West Australian Labor senator who's crossed
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  Speaker 3: the floor to vote in favor of Palestinian statehood despite
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  Speaker 3: the fact it's still governed by a terrorist organization. And
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  Speaker 3: of course news tonight many people watching would have heard
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  Speaker 3: it already that the Labour Party have said there will
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  Speaker 3: be no discipline of her whatsoever.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, not because we know that Albo cannot discipline
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  Speaker 5: such a member.
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  Speaker 3: We know that he owned we can't discipline anybody, Andrew Giles.
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  Speaker 5: But this is supposed to be in the Federal Labor Party.
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  Speaker 5: This is an expulsionable, absolutely dept ground free period. That
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  Speaker 5: is it. That is supposed to be game over. If
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  Speaker 5: you're a Labor member and you cross the floor on
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  Speaker 5: your party, you are saying goodbye. But of course in
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  Speaker 5: this context the rules just don't apply, do they, Because
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  Speaker 5: if you're on Elbow's side on this, he knows and
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  Speaker 5: he can't lay the SmackDown because we've all seen the
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  Speaker 5: footage of him at his pro Palestinian We've all we've
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  Speaker 5: all had not on her side.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that she end well, this is the first
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  Speaker 1: not on his side.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not the first time she's defied him.
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  Speaker 5: Mean Anthony, he says, she's not truly defying him. She
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  Speaker 5: is defying the party line.
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  Speaker 1: Most the party line.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, he said, from the River to the
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  Speaker 3: Sea has no place in Australia. But she repeated that phrase.
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  Speaker 3: Now she's gone against Labor Party policy. The big problem
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  Speaker 3: for Anthey Alberanezi is she's a young woman and she's
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  Speaker 3: the first Muslim in Parliament to.
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  Speaker 1: He needs the numbers in the Senate as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the pro for the Labour Party with diversity
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  Speaker 3: picks because she's very young to have been on the
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  Speaker 3: Senate ticket, but the obviously loved the fact she was
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  Speaker 3: a Muslim.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was young, and.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is a problem when you when you're
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  Speaker 4: not even sort of diversity piece. But yeah, this sort
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  Speaker 4: of ticker box thing where we think, all right, this
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  Speaker 4: will look great for our cred. You know, we've got
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  Speaker 4: someone in a hijab. You know, this will get them
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  Speaker 4: voted in on a diversity So yeah, I think I
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  Speaker 4: think that is a problem. And I think there is
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  Speaker 4: a problem also with the Labor Party not really knowing
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  Speaker 4: what it stands for, where it stands on this issue
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  Speaker 4: and what it actually stands for, not having a clearly.
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  Speaker 1: Thought out policy.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was caught blindsided by October seven in
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  Speaker 4: much the same way Israel itself was, and it hadn't
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  Speaker 4: actually worked out.
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  Speaker 5: We just discussed last night. They went all that blind side.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, that's right, the tops were. But yeah, clearly clearly
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  Speaker 4: Labor like I mean, if you looked at the hawk
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  Speaker 4: Keating days and even you know, even Bob Carr when
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  Speaker 4: he was actually in government.
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  Speaker 1: Before he sort of switched sides after.
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  Speaker 4: In retirement, Labor was very very clearly pro Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Labor was very very earlier friend of his eye.
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  Speaker 4: There's no equivocation about you's absolute right to exist and
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  Speaker 4: defend itself. And since then the character of you know,
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  Speaker 4: when labor's in opposition for a long time, it tends
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  Speaker 4: to drift off to the left, it tends to become
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  Speaker 4: a party of protests in to the party of practice.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you always do this. You're like, there's two labor parties.
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  Speaker 5: When the fight's in charge, they get everything right and
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  Speaker 5: they're amazing. It's only when the left's in charge then.
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  Speaker 4: It all looks that's why it's all gone to rubbish. Now,
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  Speaker 4: look a look at how Chris Mins has responded compared
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  Speaker 4: to Albo's response. Look how Peter Malnowskus has responded compared
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  Speaker 4: to the federal government's response. It's right there in front
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  Speaker 4: of you for everyone to see. This is not just
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  Speaker 4: me saying it. This is happening in real life. This
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  Speaker 4: is happening right now, like you've got people around it.
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  Speaker 4: Your colleagues are saying it. On the right of saying
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  Speaker 4: a praising Chris Mins for his strong stands.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, well, certainly not.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm on the right, So how about that and
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  Speaker 5: his strong stands? What has he done except for a
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  Speaker 5: pile of empty The.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community would say that he's been very good and.
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  Speaker 5: He has not named me one thing that he's done,
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  Speaker 5: namely one thing that he's done. He's said all the
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  Speaker 5: right things, but he's done absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community members I've spoken to are very appreciative of
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  Speaker 3: Chris minsro Well.
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  Speaker 5: I'm happy for them to be glad of it, but
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  Speaker 5: I don't see his support. I'm sorry. Everyone else is
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  Speaker 5: nothing but lip service to Queensland. Now where a petition
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  Speaker 5: of over three thousand, six hundred people requesting, hey, you
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  Speaker 5: know all that health advice that you use to lock
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  Speaker 5: us down, treat us like animals, mandate jabs, so end businesses,
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  Speaker 5: lockdown schools, et cetera, and so on, can we please
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  Speaker 5: see some of that has been given a flat no
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  Speaker 5: by the Queensland government. Oh quote Health Minister Shannon Fentaman,
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  Speaker 5: famously the woman who doesn't know what a woman is,
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  Speaker 5: she says, Queensland's Chief Health officer issued to public health
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  Speaker 5: directions to manage the spread of COVID nineteen throughout the community,
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  Speaker 5: including requirements for COVID nineteen vaccination. You can already tell
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  Speaker 5: this is just going to be an empty word, salad,
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  Speaker 5: But I digress. In making these public health directions, the
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  Speaker 5: Chief Health Officer relied on advice from a variety of sources. Specifically,
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  Speaker 5: the Chief Health Officer met daily with doctors, epidemiologists, infectious
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  Speaker 5: diseases specialists, and public health experts about COVID nineteen and
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  Speaker 5: the extraordinary and emergency measures necessary to protect public health.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for the extensive words, salad lady. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: what she's really saying is, how about we give you
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  Speaker 5: nothing and you shut up and take it. We know
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  Speaker 5: that we'd shut you down for months on end. We
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  Speaker 5: know that businesses hit the walls. We know that kids
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: didn't get to school, people didn't get to say goodbye
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  Speaker 5: to their dying relatives, and we forced you, unless you
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  Speaker 5: wanted to lose your job, to get a job. Still
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  Speaker 5: in trial phases, the list goes on, the social distancing,
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  Speaker 5: the mandate tree masking. But no, no, where. We don't
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  Speaker 5: know you anything. It's not like we work for you.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like we live on the taxpayer dime. It's
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  Speaker 5: not like we were elected to represent you, and almost
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  Speaker 5: four thousand of you have just told us, Hey, we'd
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: really like to see some answers. How about an email chain?
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  Speaker 5: How about what.
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  Speaker 4: I think this confirms what we've sort of already know
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  Speaker 4: and what Faucci basically said, which is that they were
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  Speaker 4: sort of making it up as they went along.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, zero, a little.
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  Speaker 4: Huddle and say all right, what new measure we're going
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  Speaker 4: to introduce now? And some of this you can understand.
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  Speaker 4: And again I can understand if something new. You are
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: making decisions on the fly, you don't necessarily always.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can still.
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: Show people that the problem made Joe, how were those interesting?
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  Speaker 4: They showed all the email trawels of the hotel quarantine,
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  Speaker 4: and again it was just such a missmash of all
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: these people ducking responsible.
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  Speaker 2: Can we go back to show us that, go.
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  Speaker 5: Back to show us that, show us how much of
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  Speaker 5: a crap show it was that you arrived at these things?
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  Speaker 5: Go millions of people.
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  Speaker 2: Go back to what you very accurately just rib as
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  Speaker 2: a word seller.
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  Speaker 3: But in the salad there is a little morsel of
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  Speaker 3: information there.
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  Speaker 2: She says.
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  Speaker 3: They relied on quote advice from a variety of sources. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I think when we had these daily press conferences where
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: they said, you know, only ten people will be able
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  Speaker 3: to attend a graveside funeral because the health advice is
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: when they said that, you know, it's better to drink
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  Speaker 3: and be a standing up than sitting down with a
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  Speaker 3: health advice.
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  Speaker 5: Health advice.
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  Speaker 2: We all listen to that and we assume, well, there.
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  Speaker 3: Must be a piece of paper somewhere where someone studiously,
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  Speaker 3: but now you here it is advice from a variety
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  Speaker 3: of sources, which actually means the decisions were made by everybody,
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  Speaker 3: which means nobody can hold anybody responsible.
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  Speaker 2: That's essentially what they're But the least that you.
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  Speaker 5: Owe people is just being like, okay, So in terms
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: of shutting down the schools, here's the people who are
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: involved in that decision.
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  Speaker 2: With so many people they can't nominate who. It was
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  Speaker 2: a general vibe.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 4: was involved in the shutting down schools. And again I
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: remember it like it was yesterday. Anastagia Palichet held a
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  Speaker 4: press commons do a great credit and said schools in
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  Speaker 4: Queensland will remain open. The Queensland Teachers Union then had
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  Speaker 4: to stop work meeting the next day and the day
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  Speaker 4: after and Stagia Palasa say, actually, schools are.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be closed. That was the medical advice.
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  Speaker 4: It was a teacher's stop work meeting, so that teachers
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  Speaker 4: union stop work meeting.
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  Speaker 5: We'll speaking around so close did she say on medical advice.
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  Speaker 4: This is hot? It was just I'm not sure if
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: she even had a coach to read it. But I'd written
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: this and said it time and time and time again.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: And this is why there was such little faith in
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: so many public health matters, because it was clearly being
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: dictated for political purposes, and it was clearly being done
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: on the fly.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: And again let's combine those two things, the unions and
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: on the fly. Have a look at this vision from
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: September twenty twenty where unions paid for are planing to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: fly across Brisbane showing a sign that says we are
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: safe because she is strong talk about doing things on
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: the fly. That was literal, and it was what did
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: clear What the strategy was, wasn't it? It was to
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: listen to all the advice that was maccaron and that
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: by rendso the fear they would win the next lection, which.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable to me, that a this many people just went
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: along with the narrative, props to the people who were
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: just like, I don't believe you, and now allow them
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: to duck accountability. You don't get to do that. This
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: reminds me of the UK inquiry into all this. In January,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: it was revealed that the chief health officer in Scotland
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: got him and his entire team, including Nicolas Sturgeon, the
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: first Minister of Scotland at the time, to daily delete
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: their WhatsApps. What does that tell you the disdain with
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: which these elites treated their people during that period and
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: continue to by being like, aha, deleted it all. Zero accountability.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Can't even read you what we said to each other
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: or how we arrived at these conclusions that literally destroyed
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: the human rights of millions of people in our country.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Oh well, just too bad. We don't have, as Fentimen says,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: or we don't have a truncated version of the advice.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: For any We don't have one.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Don't there is there.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: It's because when they said they were following health advice,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: we assumed they were consulting medical doctors. They actually meant
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: spin doctors.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Well, they in Victoria, they actually were in Victoria.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: They did research to find out how the messaging was
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: being received and.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Was all based on it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: It was staggering and it was and there was just
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: a complete lack of reasonableness as well, and you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: and I think in some cases that provoked equally unreasonable responses.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: But you know, the idea that you know, and again
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: I can understand people saying, look, we don't know about
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: this sort of thing, but it's probably best if you
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: stay more than spitting distance away from someone. But the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: idea then that you would have this absolute, hard and
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: fast enforcement of these kind of vague guidelines that you
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: think might work but you're not entirely sure, and they're
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: not basedly but anyone who breaches them would then be
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: met with the full force of the law or publicly
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: shamed into being a granny killer. That I think is
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: the real problem. And I think that says almost as
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: much about this really nasty mob mentality that can so
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: easily be unleashed in people by a strong sort of
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: popping deliberately, Joe, they reorganize the.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Peer and we saw people turn against good people. That
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: was more frightening than almost anything else. But to a
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: story now that you will literally not be able to
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: believe and potentially may not be able to keep your
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: dinner down due to your level of utter fury. This
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: one comes out of Germany, where a woman is now
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: being sent to jail for criticizing sending mean texts to
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: a rapist. In Germany back in twenty twenty, a young
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: fourteen year old German girl was gang by a group
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: of over eleven men. Nine of them well, their DNA
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: was all over her, so it was pretty easy to
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: identify them. They'd also been whatsapping each other, calling each
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: other saying, hey, there's this girl in the park, come
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: join us, and so you can only imagine the ensuing scenes.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Some of them filmed it on their phones. Not a
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: hard case to convict, you'd think, And yet let's read
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: it straight from the publica. Despite DNA and WhatsApp evidence,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: eight of the nine men convicted walked free with probation
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: and spent no time in prison at all. The ninth
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: was sentenced to two years and nine months in prison
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: without parole. Angered by the news of the case, a
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: twenty year old woman from Hamburg messaged the number through WhatsApp.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: The targeted rapist then reported the woman to the police
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and she was charged with sending him insulting messages. The
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: woman has now been convicted and sentenced to a weekend
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: in prison for her remarks, meaning that she will have
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: spent more time in jail than eight of the nine rapists.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: What do you think these techs said? Like they literally
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: all she wrote was a dishonorable rapist pig, two disgusting miscarriage.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Don't really get that one, but three. Aren't you ashamed
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: when you look in the mirror. She has gone to
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: jail for speaking to someone who, by the way, all
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: of them weren't German. Hence the outrage amongst the Germans
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: that this fourteen year old had been beset upon these
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: guys and got zero justice. But I don't even have
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: words for this case that we are now in a situation.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: By the way, this woman who's just gone to jail
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: is one of one hundred and forty people being investigated
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: for making harmful comments toward the rapists. What a great
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: use of police time.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Well, people were so outraged by this result that someone
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: got one of the phone numbers to one of these
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: rapists and broadcaster online. Hence there were one hundred and
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: forty people plus this woman who all saw the phone
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: number and thought, well, I'm going to have my say.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: But a psychiatrist gave evidence at the rape trial to
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: say that perhaps in gang raping this fourteen year old
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: girl that they were venting their frustrations, felt as migrants
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and as people who were experiencing homelessness, and therefore the
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: court should show them leniency, which the court appears to
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: have listened to.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Those is just.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: But if the German elites are looking to rouse the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: population and cause.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Some kind of riot, they're going about it the right thing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And we've talked on this show about what you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: seriously bad dudes the alternative for deutsch Land are But
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: if you want to know why people are voting for
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: a party that even Marine la Pen's National Front.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Refuses to deal with because it's too extremely people, this
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is why.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: And people see this they become absolutely furious and they think, well,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: if the government is not actually prepared to do anything
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: about something that is so clearly not just injust, but unjust,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: but gritesque like that is the very opposite, this disgraceful
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: sort of inversion of justice. People see this and they go, right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I'm going to vote if this is the system, I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: will vote for anyone who is vowing to tear the
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: system down. And you know, again, I find it staggering
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: that governments and courts are making decisions like these from
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: their ivory towers and then wondering why there are all
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: these sort of pitchforks and torches at the base. It's staggering.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Sends the message that it sends to these guys and
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: others like them is go ahead, yeah, well got away
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: with a slap on the wrist, not on a bit
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: of a probationary period.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But another thing at all's.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Actually the racism of low expectations. It's a classic example
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: of this where because your migrants, you don't understand, right,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: it's actually such do you think rape's okay?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Such internalistic view that is actually again a disgustingly grotesque
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: statement to make about you know, margans with a homeless
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: But basically, if you're a migrant, or if you're a homeless,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: you're more likely to be an evil gang rapist. But
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: that's okay, we understand, and that of course is absolute
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: rubbish as well. So these people, in their efforts to
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: tie themselves into not to be you know, anti racist,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: or to be pro you know, pro homeless are actually
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: showing themselves.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: There is another side to this, of course, too, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: that is that europe have allowed mass migration of people
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: who don't necessarily share European values, especially when it regards
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: women and the way that women ought to be treated,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and that's something that no one wants to about.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: That's a big part of.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: The stats that they do. We really, really western countries,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: we don't do this. But I noticed in the election
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: in the Netherlands, which saw another tremendous victory for.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: The far right, which isn't far at all. Obviously they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: just reflecting what is now mainstream values in dutch Land,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: but they will actually publish crimes committed according to the
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: races that committed them in their countries, like they are
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: unashamedly just going. The Dutch do not commit the vast
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: majority of crime in our country, and of course that
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: is very instrumental in pushing up the vote amongst the Dutch,
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: who are just like the Netherlands. For the Dutch, we
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: are sick of being a overrun by immigrants, these people
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: who do not share our culture, they do not share
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: our values, and they prove that by coming here and
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: committing these crimes on our territory and against our people.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I think the problem is said, why there was.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: That wipeout in the European Parliament.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Both to the point, I'm not sure you have to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: look at the data. I'm not sure how it goes,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: but often you have, you know, with the first influx
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of migrants, particularly there from war zones or whatever, there
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: is a sort of generation where you know, it requires
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: them settling in, and then it does in the second
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: generation and whatever. But and I'm all for I'm all
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: for that. But the problem is we've said, like, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: there was you know, everyone I remember, you know, coming
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: to Sydney and everyone was worried about.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: The Asian gang crime.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Asian gang crime was everywhere, and I interviewed a couple
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: of them myself actually. But again, a generation later, no
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: one is talking about that, No one is worried about
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Asian gang crime.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's moved.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: You know, there's a Middle East gang crime squad. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: that does happen. But the problem is, again it goes
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: back to this. If a government in seeking to be
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: touchy feely and work or whatever, is saying, if you
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: are from this cultural background, we will actually give you
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: leeway to commit these crimes, we will not punish you
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: as heavily for committing these crimes. Then you're actually you
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: are playing right into that kind of as you said,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: the Dutch thing, where you're now categorizing crimes according to race,
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: which I think is pretty hargous and weird and creepy.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: But you are encouraging that if if you are not
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: if the governments, this is what I'm saying, is that
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: if the governments are not going to treat all criminals equally,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: regardless of their background, then you are going to see
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: again far right parties or populist parties, whatever you want
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to call them, say, well, all right, well, if you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: going to treat people differently because of race, we'll start
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: treating people differently because of race as well. You started it,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: and again that is the problem of the left time making.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Just before we move on from that, you mentioned the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: far right. I've got to mention Caleb Bond is not
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: here tonight because he hosted the Bolt Report, but he
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: is watching, and he texted me during the program to say,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Sarah Gain from One Nation is.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Not far right at that point.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: So there you go, Caleb, we got your comment in
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: even though you're not here, is still working brilliant speaking
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: of madness, and particularly as it relates to women. The Taliban,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: three years after they took over in Afghanistan, still negotiating
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: with the United Nations who are trying to bring them
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: in to the League of Nations. There's a meeting happening
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: next week. But get this, the United Nations are going
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: ahead with this meeting with the leaders of Afghanistan, despite
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the fact that the Taliban have said this meeting must
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: have no females from Afghanistan present, and whatever's on the agenda,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: we will not discuss female rights, despite the fact that
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: in Afghanistan, once you turn age eleven, you are not
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: allowed to continue with your education if you are female.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, you're not allowed out the front.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Door of your house of your house if you're a woman,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: except that you are covered from head to toe and
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: with a male chaperone. How can the United Nations agree
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: to meet with the Taliban when the Taliban are insisting
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: fifty percent of our nation, in fact, fifty percent of
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: our nation won't not only be represented, we won't even
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: talk about them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Look, these guys don't have a shred of credibility. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: studied the UN first up when I was doing my
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: master's in human rights, we studied the UN in depth,
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: and it's just I could.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Not believe it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I was like, these people are not good people anyway.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: But then we see them making moves like putting China
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: on their human rights counselor getting iedrun late last year
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: here to share their human rights pow wow, and you're like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Iran really interesting choice. They're not to be taken seriously
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: they I mean, and we don't even have to refer
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: to their behavior since October seven, and how appallingly they
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: have not even once like wrapped Iran on the knuckles
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: for the part that they know that they've played in this,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: or even once given the smallest word of condolences or
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: support to Israel. I mean, we're all supposed to part
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: of be part of this, you know, human family at
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: the United Nations. They're not united at all. It is
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: a battering ram that the global elites use to favor
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: some and cut the others off at the knees, even
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: when it makes absolutely no sense like this, And imagine
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: how Afghan women feel expecting the UN to be someone
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: of an arger of.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, justice, human right, that's our right.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: What happened to believe all.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Women this yep, exactly, it can't seem to see them anywhere.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's disgraceful. And again it just goes to you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: once you can die in this. And again it just
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: goes to show how pathetically shameful the US withdrawal from
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Afghanistan was, and how how appallingly just ham fisted it was.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: And oh, I don't worry the Taliban, No, they won't
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: take back over again. And again that's something that governments
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: of both persuasions of the US have done.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The Kurds were betrayed in Syria as well.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: But you know, again, if you are going to Mollycoddle,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and it does seem to be strangely directed at one
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: particular side, and these sorts of disappears. But if you're
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: going to model Coddal extremism, if you're going to model
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Coddal people who do not share human rights values, do
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: not share you know, basic human values, let alone Western values,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: then what are you going to get.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: One of the crazy things that happens is do you
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: remember when the Taliban were this outrageous terrorist organization? Oh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I now Glida came along and the Teleban weren't so bad,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and then Isis came along and it went so bad,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: and the Taliban were almost sort of school chair and
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: us that make the Teliban look.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Behind.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: September eleven, remember that, that's why we went to war.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: That's got us down because the Taliban was supposedly well
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the harbor we were told we went so supposedly harboring
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: in Laden. It turns out it wasn't chemical weapons and
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: mass destruction in Iraq. After all, it doesn't matter. We'll just,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: you know, we'll go off the draw now that you
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: in a like will agree to be same. We have
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: to get rid of those people because they're behind the
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: worst terrorist attack on American soil of all time. We
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: stay there for twenty years, do a crap ass job
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: of it, and then when we decide we just can't
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: be asking and say, oh, maybe they're not that bad
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: after all, and.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: We're even billions of dollars of weaponry and you name it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: we left it for them.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: What a beautiful a lot of highluxes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: All right, Liz, we're going to let you introduce this
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: next topic, because Julian Assange is finally looking like he
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: will return to Australia.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You've got a couple of minutes to tell us how
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: one day.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Beautiful day, ladies and gentlemen, because Juange freedom fighter, the
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: man who exposed more corruption with a few Wiki leaks
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: than the American government had ever seen before in their
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: entire military history, which is why they were so humiliated.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: The CIA even got together and said, hey, the Trump
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: administration has asked us if we've got any ideas how
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to bump off this guy. Let's give him a few options.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: No joke, look it up. The Guardian wrote at length
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: about it. Just incredible stuff, because of course, if you're
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: the CIA bumping someone off, it's just you, guys. He's
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: not the lollipop, not a traitor. This man is a hero.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: He literally is a hero. Like I keep saying to governments,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: if you don't if you don't want your corruption, which
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: is a shame, which is a great shame because everyone
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: still believes that. And I had someone say it to
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: me today. Well, he's the hacker. He's the hacker, Pete Paul.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: It was proved in Chelsea Manning's court martial trial years
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: ago before she was pardoned by the Biden administration and
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: is now living up her life being a DJ. Yes,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: that is not a joke. So you've got Julian here,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: who never did any hacking. It was proved in Chelsea
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Manning's court martial trial. Every single document, every single record
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: that she sent to wiki leaks was well within her
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: purview to have access to. So she hadn't hacked either, right,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: She simply did a data dump and gave it to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: wiki leaks. Now, if you want to prosecute him for that,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: you need to prosecute The New York Times. You need
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: to prosecute.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Julianissan is not the journalist out of media outlet.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Oh so what do you think he deserves it?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Because that's a.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Very arguable point.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think Julia side the very arguable You call
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Julian Nossandra journalist?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: What article has he ever written?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: He has done?
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: He'd a whole.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Lot of information on the Internet without curating it, without
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: going through and editing it, just dumped hundreds of thousands
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: of documents on wikileas. That's not it's not journalism. It's
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: not journalism, and it's not publishing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: He's publishing information online.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: He's no more a publisher than I'm a publisher.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Kids on Adam Crichton and earlier on Shark, I love
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Adam Crichton the same. No, he is not, and how
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: on earth? This is why the US couldn't get him.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: The years kept passing.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: They couldn't get him, kept void.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Time they rolled out the espionage at everyone knows it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: complete bogus. Let's read this tweet from RFK Julian Aissan
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: struck a plea deal and we'll go free. I am overjoyed.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: He's a generational hero. The brad news is that he
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: had to plead guilty to conspiracy to obtain and disclose
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: national defense info, which means the US security state succeeded
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: in criminalizing journalism and extending their jurisdiction globally to non citizens.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Julian had to take this. He has heart problems and
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: he would have died in prison, but the security state
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: has imposed a horrifying precedent and dealt a big blow
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: to freedom of.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: He's not the press yet, what do you.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Think WikiLeaks was? It's not was, Yes, it was.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: It's not not a publisher, They're not the president.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Newsletter. Are you a journalist? Are you a journalist?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You are publishing Julian, not a journal.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Publishing national security.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Again, that is what the US called the New York
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Times problem, because they too have published The New.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: York Times, reviewed everything before they published that and make
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: sure that no one would be in trouble.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: That is not the sort of stuff that WikiLeaks, which.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: If we wanted to, if we want to, if we're
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: talking about tweets. So I really enjoyed this one by
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Stephen Maine, who shed some phenomenal light on this issue,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: great local angle. He said that he'd been told that
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: it was Kevin Rudd, in fact, Kevin Rudd, using his
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: impeccable energy's impeccable sources, who managed to get Julian assigned this.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: This came from Stephen Main, obviously the founder of krikey.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I'm hearing Keaven Rudd deserves a lot of cutos regarding
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: the Assange outcome.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I wonder where he's hearing that from.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: He must get from wiki leak, because the only two
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: people you must be on the phone of Julian Massange.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Who else could have you heard it from?
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: That?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: We have got to wrap this up and go to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a break.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: in the papers tomorrow, Stay around, Welcome back to the
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: late debate. Let's look at what's making news tomorrow. Joe Hildebrand,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: you've got the Daily Telegraph.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Fine, master, it is yes, albos Gaza test much splash.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi is facing pressure to discipline Senator
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Fatima Payman after she became the first Labor MP in
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: eighteen years to cross the floor, this time in support
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: of Palestinian statehood and I think the first time since
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Labor and government. Paul Murray also mentioned this in almost
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: ge is the best part of half a century.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So it's an appalling, treacherous, terrible act.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: And I just wonder there must be some secret polling
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: out there that shows that Labor and the Albanezi government
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: is doing incredibly well because they've decided they can afford
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: to just screw everything up this week and just you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you know a point, mat Cain, you know, like let
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: this too, class of four give it two hundred thousand
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: dollars pay rise to the GJA.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Apparently there's a lot of fat I haven't seen the
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: polling myself.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: There.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Do you genuinely believe Joe that the reason why he
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: hasn't kicked it to the curb over this is because
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: he needs the Senate seat.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Question.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, also there's but I think there's a whole bunch
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: of reasons that pile up on each other. One is,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: obviously there's the cool to hard arithmetic that they are
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: far more Muslims in Australia there are Jews. I think,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: you know, even if you didn't think you were taking
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: that into consideration, anyone with the political bone in their
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: body couldn't help but subconsciously do it. I think he's
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: also probably he's also just, believe it or not a
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: nice guy and he's loyal, and he sticks with people.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: He probably thinks it's to.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Put out down.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I agree that would be against them all if I
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: was the leader. But and again the same way you've
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: seen him stand by Andrew Giles as well.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: The guy can he not be to people who are
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: doing their jobs and being awesome.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Look, the crazy thing for Anthony Albanez is just when
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you get some good news, i e. The release of
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Julius Sans, which he would be claiming credit for. This
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: is our ability to manage international diplomacy. But you look
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: at the front page of the Daily Telegraph, which I've
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: just scrawled all over, but you've got to elbows. Gaza
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: test and Julia salms the good news.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Good news is reduced to it and again the j.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Two hundred thousand dollars pay rise front page every single
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: metropolitan newspaper in the country.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Why didn't have to be?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: And the other thing now is tomorrow's news is not
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: about this vote on Palestine. It's about Anthony Alberanzi's leadership.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: And it reinforces this narrative that's been running for quite
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: some time now that he's the handsome boy.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: He's the beta. Made you say beta, I say through Tomato.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: The Northern Territory News now where the front page splash
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: reads community goes dry to be able to consume alcohol
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: just itching for a drink. A Red Center community has
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: performed legal gymnastics by becoming a dry zone just to
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: allow residents to be able to have a drink in
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: their own homes. After flip flopping between being a wet
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: and dry community, Ichiku Park became an interim alcohol protected
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: area which residents couldn't opt out of. So my understanding
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: of the reading of this is that its own. If
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: you're a dry area, as in, no one can drink
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: in the pub, in the park, in the out in public,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: but you can drink home. They've opted to become a
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: dry community. Drink.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Didn't know.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: This did my head in and I thought it must
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: be something like that as well. I did a deep
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: dive on this. Obviously, anything to do with alcohol consumption
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: is an extreme personal concern to me. So what was
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: happening was that it was oscillating between being a wet
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: area and a dry area. So you know, alcohol would
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: be banned for a while, then you know suddenly, oh no,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: it's okay. The band's been lifted, so everyone can drink,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: and all other problems that often can that can bring
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: in remote indigenous communities, and so another band would come
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: down and that made it entitable for the people who
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: just want to have a quiet beer in the comfort
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: of their own home to do it. Now the way
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: to get out of the way, to get out of
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: having a dry band imposed on you. Since I think
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the troubles I was spins. You had to have an
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Instead of an opt in system, it was an opt
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: out system, so you are un less. A majority of
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: residents decide to opt out, and they couldn't get a
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: majority of residents to decide to opt out because they
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: wanted to be dry. Because again, as we've seen, we
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: know the problems at alcoholic cause. But it turned out
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: that you can also apply for a permit to drink
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: in your own home. So even in a dry area,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: you could apply for a permit to drink only in
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: the privacy of your own home, non in public, no pubs, whatever, whatever.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: And so it was actually easier for the people who
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: wanted to have a drink in Itchikou Park to say,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: all right, you know what, we don't forget opting out.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: We want to make it a dry area and then
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: we'll apply for a permit so we can knock over
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the VB long Neck. Thank you very much, Australia, You're welcome.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: That was brilliant. Finally a story that I a cause
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I can get behind.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I just like the name itchiqu Park, It's just a
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: wonder name.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Let's go under three thousand miles south of Humpty Doo.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Adelaide advertiser.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Mouly in the Pooh who reads the headline bill shock
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: for water sewer to estates eighty five dollar new house tax.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Here's what the story says. Average water bills will.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Rise by eighty five dollars annually to fund a one
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: point five billion dollar water and sewer infrastructure surge to
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: unlock forty thousand home allotments in four years.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: This is in the north of Adelaide, where there's land
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: waiting to be developed, but the sewage system doesn't extend
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: out there. Some people have built homes anyway and developments
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: have gone ahead. But as the article goes on to outline,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: at the moment, there are one hundred thousand liters of
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: sewage every day being trucked out of Adelaide's north because
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: the system doesn't facilitate it being drained away by the
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: sewage system. So everyone in South Australia will get an
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: eighty five dollar tax so that they don't have to
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: truck the sewage out anymore.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I think that is worth it. Who's going to complain?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think anything. I just don't want to know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: just anything involving sewage.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Just make it happen.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: That's what pipes are for. Joe, tell us about the eyes.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I will tell you about the eyes and listen.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Intersting one got off one minute guilty the next down
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: the bottom of the front page. For a few seconds,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Greg Lynn thought he might have got away with it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: He was found not guilty on the verdict was for
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: the charge of murdering Russell Hill, and yet guilty on
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: the charge of murdering Carol Clay. So it would appear
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: that he has murdered. So you've got Russell Hill and
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Carol Clay. There's a teenage sweethearts who had then got
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: back together later in life, and he's been found guilty
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: of killing her but not him. So when the vertue
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: raises the question of how did the jury think that
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: he the other guy died?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And then so they've come back and get that's right,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: So they've just been together.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: So the Jews come back and say, all right, we
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: think you killed her but not him, even though they
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: both disappeared or died together. And this, this, this paragraph
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: just jumped out of me. The families of Russell Hill
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: and Carol Clay were both relieved and devastated by the
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: jury's verdict, respectively.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Well you would be Look, I mean, you just I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: just don't how does that sure?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: And I imagine he thought he was in the clear
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: when the first sorry first, he would have thought, oh,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: hang on a second, I'm a chance. And what's most
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: interesting about this story is that the police suspected this
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: guy for months, well over twelve months. He had no idea.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: They were monitoring his home, his car, They were listening
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: to him, and they were leaking information to the press,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: just bit by bit then to see if he would
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: talk about it. And they actually recorded him talking to
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: himself in his car having listened to radio broadcasts, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: that was part of the evidence was used to convict him.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Wow. Wow, I just thought the moral of the story
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: don't talk tou not if you've done.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: The moral of the story I think is a like
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: be consistent. Like it's just at least, you know, like
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: one other. And I think the second moral of the
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: story is we can deliver the bad news first. Is
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: there there like, is there a protocol? There may be
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: a legal protocol where you have to get all the
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: not guilties out of the way before you get to
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: the guilties. But do you think they deliberately said, I know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: will let him have one last little flutter of hope.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Before we sure there's more to it than that, Let's
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: go to the towns for bulletin.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Listen very goodly before we go forty million cash injections
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: for renewable zone. We're on the front of the Townsville bulletin.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Townsville is set to receive a forty million investment in
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: a local renewable energy zone pilot project that aims to
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: help reduce residents power bills.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And that's all we have on this cycle of.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Being completely an ugly gas lip. Like another forty mil here,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: another one trill here. This is in an effort to
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: get your energy builds down people. I mean, we have
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: spent billions of dollars in this country already. We are
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: still waiting to see our energy billing.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's electricity.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break stick around when
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: we come back the circus to Sydney or except maybe
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: it's not not if the Greens can help it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: That's in a moment.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Well, we mentioned earlier that Caleb Bond, though not on
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: the program tonight, is home watching sending in his commentary
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: to correct us and make sure we're all saying the
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: right things. He's even sent in a photograph of himself
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: watching the program. Check this out, this glass of we'll
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: see the cat on the line there as well.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Good on your Caleb.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I hope you're enjoying it, and I hope the cat
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: is enjoying program. Well, the circus is coming to Eastern Sydney,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: but maybe not because the Greens are opposing it. Greens
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: from the Willara Council say that using animals for entertainment
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: is quote out of touch with modern society. I love
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: how the Greens, with ten percent of the vote understand
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: what modern society wants. Have they never heard of the
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: zoo or SeaWorld or you know Looney Tunes cartoons, or
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: don't they have pets? Council at Matthew Robertson said, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I quote, how can you say animals are enjoying themselves.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: They're subject to the flavor of their master's. Society has
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: moved on. We have to acknowledge the changing community attitude
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: and the rise in support, particularly among young people, for
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: animal welfare. It's about respecting the rights of animals and
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: this is an instance where I think as a council
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: we should be doing that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Do you want to know.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: How many animals are being used in the Stardust Circus
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: performance in Eastern Sydney? I'll tell you five dogs and
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: four goats. That's what the Greens are upset about. I'm
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: sure the five dogs and four goats will be having
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: a wonderful time at the circus.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: List Indeed, and speaking of circus, aoc who's best known
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: as America's Lydia Thorpe. Apparently we all have at least one.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: She's a Democrat and she's currently campaigning in the Bronx.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Check out this extraordinary display design to get thoats.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: If you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: Present it was system. Are you ready a.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Political cringe at its finest America. It's only when you
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: look at America you actually start feeling better about Australia.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Well that's all we've got time for, but stick around.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Coming up in just a moment, it's the Eat a
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  Speaker 2: Penahesia
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