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Episode 330- Of Sashes and Slaves- Part 6 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Seth Kusharma.
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I'm the acting United States Attorney here in
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the Eastern District of New York. Thank you for
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coming today. You know, this case involving Naxiam
0:22
and Keith Raniere has really been about many
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tragedies and a few triumphs, and what happened
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in the courtroom today really felt like a triumph.
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for these victims. It's my privilege to represent
0:35
the United States with you today. The prosecution
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team is standing behind me, and it's really through
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their hard work that justice was delivered in
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the courtroom today. It was a compelling proceeding.
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I'm sure you would feel the same if you heard
0:50
the victims address the court. To be clear, just
0:55
a few minutes ago, Keith Ranieri was sentenced
0:57
to 120 years in federal prison. In our previous
1:01
episode, we followed the long, deliberate unraveling
1:04
of Nexium's leadership. From the moment Keith
1:06
Renieri was arrested in Mexico, to the courtroom
1:09
confessions of Allison Mack, Lauren Saltzman,
1:11
and others, the secret empire collapsed in front
1:14
of the world. With guilty pleas entered and a
1:17
trial date set, the truth was no longer hidden.
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It was now evidence. This time, we return to
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the courtroom, not for testimony, but for judgment.
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You'll hear the final sentences. You'll witness
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the government's last words to the accused, and
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you'll begin to see how survivors and prosecutors
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alike tried to define what it meant to bring
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justice to a system that never called itself
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criminal until it was forced to. I'm Rick Welch,
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and this is Of Sashes and Slaves. It all began
1:55
in a courtroom, and it ended in a cage. On October
2:03
27th, 2020, Keith Ranieri, once revered as Vanguard,
2:07
entered the courtroom one last time. He was 60
2:10
years old, his hair grayed. His prison jumpsuit
2:14
hung loose on his brain, but his posture was
2:16
upright, his tone unchanged. He still believed
2:21
he had done nothing wrong. He still believed
2:23
he was the teacher, not the criminal. But this
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wasn't a forum, and this wasn't a seminar. This
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was Sentencing Day. Presiding Judge Nicholas
2:36
Gourafis listened first to Keith's attorneys.
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They argued, again, that the women in Doss had
2:41
chosen their roles, that there had been no coercion,
2:44
that Keith was being persecuted for radical ideas.
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Then came the victims, fifteen in all, one after
2:52
another. India Oxenberg stepped forward. She
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spoke about losing her voice, and then about
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reclaiming it. Sarah Edmondson described the
3:01
psychological residue of years under NXIVM. Others
3:05
testified through trembling voices and heavy
3:07
silences. One woman still scarred said quote.
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He taught us to celebrate pain, but it wasn't
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growth It was control and we were never free
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in quote when it was his turn Keith Ranieri stood
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to speak He didn't weep and he didn't waver He
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said quote. I'm not remorseful because I did
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not commit the crimes in quote There were no
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gasps in the courtroom. Just a stillness like
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the last second before a final note drops Judge
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Garalfas responded with calm authority, quote,
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you have shown no empathy, no regret. You used
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your influence to cause extraordinary harm, end
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quote. And with that, he issued the sentence.
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120 years in federal prison, life and then some.
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He didn't blink. He was led away in silence.
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The others followed. Allison Mack stood before
4:11
the court on June 30th, 2021. Unlike Keith, she
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wept. She had submitted documents, confessions,
4:19
personal apologies. The judge acknowledged her
4:23
cooperation, but said clearly, quote, You leveraged
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your fame and compassion to prey on others, end
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quote. She received three years in prison, plus
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three years of supervised release. Her final
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words were, quote, It is now of paramount importance
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for me to say, from the bottom of my heart, I
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am so sorry." Lauren Saltzman, who had testified
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for the prosecution, was sentenced to time served.
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The court described her assistance as extraordinary.
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Still, it recognized the harm she'd caused, especially
5:00
the woman she confined to her room for nearly
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two years. She was released, but never the same.
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co -founder of NXIVM and mother of Lauren, received
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three and a half years. She had helped erase
5:14
evidence, coached members under investigation,
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and built the language that justified it all.
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She said, quote, I trusted the wrong man, and
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I'll regret that for the rest of my life, end
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quote. Claire Bronfman, the billionaire heiress
5:32
turned enabler, received 81 months, just under
5:35
seven years in prison. She did not apologize.
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She did not denounce Keith. She simply said,
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quote, I still believe in his mission. End quote.
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The judge replied, quote, you funded exploitation.
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You used money as a weapon and you did it without
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remorse. End quote. By the time the final sentence
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was read, NXIVM had disappeared from public life.
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No more training centers, no more weekend intensives,
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no more colored sashes. The curriculum that once
6:07
promised empowerment now read like a blueprint
6:09
for psychological subjugation, and for the world
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that had watched it rise and fall, one image
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lingered, a ceremony of sashes at the start,
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a secret order of slaves at the end. It was the
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contradiction that defined the whole tragedy,
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the arc of NXIVM's legacy, of sashes and slaves.
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The trials were over, and the leaders were gone,
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and the doors had closed. But for the women who
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had lived inside NXIVM, and especially inside
6:41
DOS, the aftermath was not relief, not at first.
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It was confusion. It was grief. It was relearning
6:48
how to breathe. For some, it meant starting from
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scratch. A new city, a new name, a new phone
6:56
number. Just to begin feeling like a human being
6:58
again. For others, it meant going public, and
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carrying the story with them, whether they wanted
7:04
to or not. Sarah Edmondson was one of the first
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to speak out, even before Keith was arrested.
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She had given the FBI her evidence. She had shown
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the world her brand. Now she was navigating the
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complex legacy of being both a survivor and one
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of Nexium's highest ranking coaches. She published
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a memoir, Scarred. She co -hosted a podcast called
7:28
A Little Bit Culty with her husband, Nippy Ames,
7:31
another defector from Nexium. Together they interviewed
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survivors. not just from NXIVM, but from other
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coercive groups. They talked about gaslighting,
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trauma bonds, shame, and how easily smart people
7:44
get pulled in. Sarah wasn't trying to erase the
7:48
past, she was trying to reclaim it. Quote, we
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thought we were changing the world, but we were
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being changed, and it's taken years to understand
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how deep it went. End quote. India Oxenberg once
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branded under Alison Mack's command, stayed quiet
8:06
for a long time. She didn't speak publicly until
8:09
after Keith's conviction. And when she did, she
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told it all. Her story became a documentary,
8:16
seduced, on stars. It showed her path, from idealistic
8:20
young woman to DOS recruit to trauma survivor.
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She revealed that her master wasn't just Allison.
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It was also her own inner voice, the one NXIVM
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had slowly reprogrammed. Quote, they made me
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question my instincts. My emotions. My family.
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Everything." India reconciled with her mother,
8:42
Catherine Oxenberg, who had spent years in public
8:44
trying to save her. Their bond, once nearly broken,
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became a symbol of what rescue could look like.
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Catherine told the press, quote, They branded
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my daughter and called it love. I knew that if
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I didn't fight for her, no one else would." Not
9:02
all survivors went public. Most didn't. They
9:05
changed their names, deleted old accounts, started
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over in cities where NXIVM had never held seminars.
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They lived with anxiety, with guilt, with the
9:15
lingering question, how did I not see it? Therapists
9:20
who specialize in cult recovery say the trauma
9:22
is unique. It's not just what happened, it's
9:25
the rebuilding of trust in yourself. One anonymous
9:29
survivor said, quote, I didn't even know how
9:32
to choose clothes anymore. For years, I had to
9:35
ask permission to eat. You don't just unlearn
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that overnight." Another said, I felt like a
9:43
shell of a person. Everything had been filtered
9:45
through the vocabulary, their worldview. I had
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to relearn how to think. As the criminal cases
9:53
concluded, the civil cases began. Survivors filed
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lawsuits against NXIVM leadership for emotional
10:01
distress, sexual assault, fraud, coerced labor,
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and retaliation. And many of these suits named
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Keith Ranieri, Allison Mack, Claire Brompton,
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Lauren and Nancy Saltzman, and other high -ranking
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coaches who had facilitated abuse. The survivors
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weren't just asking for money. They were asking
10:20
for acknowledgement, for records, for accountability,
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for something they'd never gotten inside an exium.
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Validation. One lawyer representing a group of
10:29
former DOS members said, quote, justice doesn't
10:32
stop at a prison sentence. It includes truth
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telling. It includes financial restitution. It
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includes the right to say, what happened to me
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was real." Nexium wasn't the first cult to fall
10:47
in modern America, but it struck a nerve because
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it looked so normal. It was suburban. It was
10:53
clean -cut. It used corporate fonts and leadership
10:56
language. It pitched personal growth and ethical
10:59
living. And that, in the eyes of many, made it
11:02
more dangerous. In the wake of the convictions,
11:05
universities, media outlets, and psychologists
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began holding forums and publishing papers on
11:10
how high -control groups evolved in plain sight.
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They studied NXIVM's use of euphemistic language,
11:17
group rituals, guilt -based obedience, sleeper
11:20
systems of control. What started as one group's
11:24
implosion became a cultural case study, a warning,
11:28
a mirror. After the courtrooms emptied and the
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verdicts were read, Nexium didn't fade from view,
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it now exploded across television screens. The
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story wasn't just being reported anymore, it
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was being produced, cast, directed, serialized,
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and consumed. In the years that followed, Nexium
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would become one of the most widely covered cult
11:50
cases in modern history, not just through news
11:53
reports, but through docu -series, dramatizations,
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and interviews that blurred the line between
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journalism and entertainment. For the public,
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it was fascinating. For the survivors, it was
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complicated. On August 23rd, 2020, The Vow premiered
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on HBO. It was the first in -depth documentary
12:13
to tell the NXIVM story, using the voices of
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former members, including Sarah Edmondson, Mark
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Vicente, Bonnie PS, and others. The series had
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been in production since 2018, filmed in real
12:26
time as the arrests unfolded. It included never
12:29
-before -seen footage of next -game intensives,
12:32
conversations with the Vectors, and audio recordings
12:34
of Keith Raniere himself. It showed Keith walking
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barefoot across volleyball courts, teaching about
12:40
ethics and integrity, asking his followers to
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question reality, while secretly branding women
12:45
behind closed doors. Viewers were stunned, but
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for those who had lived it, watching was like
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staring back into a mirror they'd tried to shatter.
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Sarah said in a post -premier interview, We didn't
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know how this story would land, we just knew
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we had to tell it ourselves, before someone else
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told it wrong. Just weeks later a second documentary
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aired, this time from Stars. It was the one called
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Seduced, inside the Nixxiom cult, and it focused
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on the journey of India Oxenberg. It was raw,
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personal. Focused less on the organization and
13:20
more on the psychological captivity of one woman,
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who had once believed she was changing the world.
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India had remained silent through the trial.
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but now she opened up, all about the branding,
13:31
the isolation, and the moment she realized she
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wasn't a student, she was a prisoner. She said,
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quote, it's not just what they did to us, it's
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how they made us feel like it was our idea, end
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quote. Her story hit differently, not as a broad
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expose, but as a first -person account of recovery
13:49
still in progress. Hollywood followed suit. In
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2020, Actress Annie Murphy was cast in a dramatized
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series based on Sarah Edmondson's memoir. Other
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studios often writes to podcasts, books, and
14:03
even internal NXIVM materials. One major streaming
14:06
platform proposed a limited series told from
14:09
Alice and Max's point of view. Another sought
14:11
to dramatize the rise and fall of Claire Bronfman.
14:14
Suddenly, everyone wanted to own a piece of the
14:16
story, but some survivors pushed back. They warned,
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this wasn't fiction. This wasn't entertainment.
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This was trauma. One former member said, quote,
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watching yourself portrayed by an actor is so
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surreal, but watching your abuser portrayed is
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mysterious or sympathetic. That's unbearable.
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End quote. The projects kept moving forward.
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Some were made with care, others weren't. And
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for many survivors, the constant spotlight made
14:46
healing harder. Every time a trailer drops, I
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lose a week of sleep, said one former member.
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Media attention gave survivors power, a voice,
14:58
an audience. But it also brought trolls, conspiracy
15:01
theorists, doubters, and those who claimed NXIVM
15:05
was unfairly destroyed by the woke mob. Some
15:08
even tried to rebrand Keith as a misunderstood
15:10
innovator. Tiny podcasts, shadowy websites, posts
15:14
from burner accounts. They would say things like,
15:18
quote, he just wanted people to think critically,
15:20
or DOS was just intensive feminism. Or, they
15:24
knew what they signed up for. End quote. But
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the survivors had evidence, scars, emails, recordings,
15:32
and court transcripts. The truth wasn't debatable,
15:35
but on the internet, everything gets debated.
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Therapists who work with cult survivors say the
15:41
wave of media attention can re -traumatize those
15:44
in recovery. Even positive coverage, they say,
15:47
can reopen wounds. There's a name for it. Secondary
15:51
Trauma Exposure. When revisiting the past causes
15:54
a resurgence of symptoms like anxiety, panic,
15:57
depression, or disassociation. For India Oxenberg,
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the documentary process helped her reclaim her
16:03
narrative. For others, it was a constant reactivation
16:06
of powerlessness. One woman explained this, quote,
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As the headlines rolled out, Sex cult exposed.
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Actress sentenced. Raniere gets life. One phrase
16:27
kept resurfacing. It was first spoken in the
16:31
courtroom, then picked up by journalists, and
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now it was being printed on books and in podcast
16:38
episodes. And this is why I titled this series
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of Sashes and Slaves. It had started as a contrast.
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Now it had become a brand. A cultural marker
16:51
of how easy it was to sell submission as self
16:54
-empowerment. One news anchor put it like this,
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quote, By the time Keith Ranieri stood trial,
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the evidence was overwhelming. So overwhelming,
17:16
in fact, that people started asking a new kind
17:18
of question. Not about the cult, but about the
17:21
culture around it. Not how could this happen,
17:24
but rather, why wasn't it stopped sooner? Because
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Nexium didn't rise in secret, it built itself
17:30
in broad daylight. It rented commercial buildings,
17:34
it held classes in hotel conference rooms, it
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ran ads, hired PR firms, and taught Fortune 500
17:41
employees. They weren't hiding at all, the world
17:44
just wasn't looking closely enough. One of the
17:48
clearest reasons nexium escaped scrutiny for
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so long was simple money and lots of it Thanks
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to Claire Bronfman and her sister Sarah nexium
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had access to hundreds of millions of dollars
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That money was used not just for operations,
18:03
but for legal defense private investigators and
18:05
intimidation campaigns Whistleblowers found themselves
18:09
buried in lawsuits families who tried to pull
18:11
out loved ones face cease and desist letters
18:14
former members were followed photographed and
18:16
surveilled Even some journalists admitted they
18:19
avoided publishing deep dives on NXIVM because
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they couldn't afford the legal fight. One editor
18:25
off -record told a reporter, quote, they weren't
18:28
just going to sue us, they were going to bankrupt
18:30
us, end quote. And so, the stories went untold.
18:35
In retrospect, the legal warning signs were everywhere.
18:39
Civil lawsuits as early as 2003, reports of mental
18:43
distress, financial coercion, and most chilling,
18:47
Kristen Snyder's disappearance in 2003 after
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attending a Nexium intensive. Her body was never
18:53
found. Her note, discovered in her abandoned
18:55
vehicle in Alaska, read, I was brainwashed. I
18:58
didn't know I was already dead. Yet, Nexium faced
19:01
no criminal investigation. Why? Because law enforcement
19:06
didn't have a framework to understand course
19:07
of control that wasn't overtly violent. DOS used
19:11
starvation, blackmail, and emotional manipulation,
19:14
not handcuffs or dungeons. To many police departments,
19:18
it looked like eccentric behavior, not a crime.
19:22
There were also jurisdictional challenges. NXIVM
19:24
operated across state and national borders. Victims
19:27
were often unwilling to speak, especially those
19:30
still trapped in belief. And for a long time,
19:33
there was no single agency assigned to investigate
19:35
the group as a whole. Until the FBI. Until Michael
19:39
Lever. Until the Eastern District of New York
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decided to treat NXIVM like a criminal enterprise.
19:44
not just a self -help group gone wrong. Some
19:48
of Nexium's credibility came from its associations
19:51
with scientists, scholars, and professionals
19:53
who gave the group a veneer of legitimacy. There
19:56
were symposiums, panels, and brain studies. The
20:00
organization had ties, through its offshoot called
20:02
ESP, to several researchers interested in studying
20:05
human potential. Some of these researchers had
20:08
no idea what DOS was. Others saw red flags, but
20:12
just dismissed them. The question academia had
20:15
to ask itself after the trial was chilling. Were
20:18
we fooled by credentials? And the answer, often,
20:22
was yes. Keith branded himself as a polymath.
20:27
He claimed to have one of the highest IQs ever
20:29
recorded. He quoted physics and Plato in the
20:33
same sentence. But much of his science was either
20:36
pseudoscience or just stolen. As one ethics professor
20:40
later wrote, quote, he weaponized the language
20:43
of scholarship. to create a fortress around abuse,"
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end quote. And no one called him out until it
20:50
was too late. It wasn't that NXIVM went unnoticed.
20:55
It was that the full scope of what it was doing
20:57
didn't fit the media narrative. For years, journalists
21:00
heard whispers, this group makes women starve,
21:04
or they ask for blackmail material, or they make
21:08
them take lifetime vows. But editors often responded,
21:13
sounds like drama. Where's the crime? It's not
21:16
illegal to be weird. It took physical scars,
21:20
actual branding for the story to break through.
21:23
And even then, it was thanks to brave defectors
21:25
like Sarah Edmondson and journalists like Frank
21:28
Parlato who are willing to risk legal retaliation
21:31
just to tell the truth. Once the New York Times
21:35
published its 2017 exposé, the dam broke. But
21:40
it could have broken much earlier. And the last
21:43
reason Nexium thrived so long? its own members.
21:48
People stayed silent. People obeyed. People turned
21:51
away when things felt off, because they had been
21:54
trained to equate discomfort with growth. Many
21:57
of them weren't evil. They were conditioned.
22:00
They thought their doubts meant they were off
22:02
their path. They believed pain was purification.
22:06
They thought Keith was helping them fight their
22:08
inner limitations. So they ignored the cries,
22:11
dismissed the hunger, justified the commands.
22:15
and by the time they realized what it really
22:17
was, it was already too late. In the years since
22:21
NXIVM's fall, legislative efforts have begun
22:23
to address the gaps. New York State introduced
22:26
Bill's targeting course of control, expanding
22:29
the legal definition of abuse beyond physical
22:31
violence. Academics have started collaborating
22:34
with cult experts and trauma therapists to train
22:36
first responders on identifying high -control
22:38
environments. Nonprofits like the Open Minds
22:42
Foundation and the Refocus Project now offer
22:45
public education on how cults recruit, isolate,
22:48
and manipulate people. It's a start, but it's
22:52
also a reckoning. Because NXIVM didn't just exploit
22:55
individuals, it exploited every blind spot in
22:58
our systems, legal, academic, media, and psychological.
23:02
And it succeeded for two decades. Until someone
23:06
said, no. NXIVM collapsed under the weight of
23:11
its own secrets, but exposure alone wasn't enough.
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not for the survivors and not for the culture,
23:18
and not for the systems that followed it to thrive
23:20
for over 20 years. What comes after the courtroom
23:23
is where the real work begins. Because for a
23:26
crime built on belief, the undoing of damage
23:29
has to be as intentional as the harm was. In
23:32
the aftermath of the NXIVM trials, state and
23:34
federal lawmakers began examining how course
23:37
of control could be better identified, legislated,
23:39
and prosecuted. In New York, the same state where
23:42
NXIVM held its headquarters, legislators introduced
23:45
bills that would expand the legal definitions
23:47
of domestic abuse and psychological coercion.
23:50
The goal? To give prosecutors tools to act before
23:54
physical violence occurs, to recognize that emotional
23:57
captivity is often just as destructive. One lawmaker
24:01
said, quote, the Nexium case taught us that the
24:04
absence of bruises doesn't mean the absence of
24:06
abuse, end quote. Some proposals aim to strengthen
24:11
victims rights, more time to file civil suits.
24:14
protections from retaliation, broader definitions
24:17
of forced labor and manipulation under racketeering
24:20
statutes. Other states followed suit. In California,
24:25
a pilot program launched to train district attorneys
24:27
on recognizing cult -like dynamics in otherwise
24:30
nonviolent cases. In Massachusetts, reforms were
24:33
proposed around psychological abuse in relationships
24:36
and organizations, inspired in part by NXIVM.
24:39
It's slow, it's uneven, but it's starting. For
24:44
survivors, legal justice is only one piece. Healing
24:48
requires rewiring. Therapists who work with former
24:51
cult members say recovery isn't about forgetting,
24:53
it's about reclaiming personal agency, rebuilding
24:56
identity, trusting intuition again. One clinical
25:00
psychologist described the process like this,
25:03
quote, it's not about snapping out of it, it's
25:06
about slowly waking up and realizing your inner
25:10
compass was tampered with, end quote. Survivors
25:14
often experience cognitive dissonance, panic
25:16
attacks, nightmares, identity confusion, and
25:20
difficulty making simple decisions. Some enter
25:22
intensive trauma therapy, others join support
25:25
groups for cult recovery, and still others work
25:28
with coaches who understand coercive systems
25:30
because they lived through one too. Organizations
25:34
like the Open Minds Foundation, the International
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Cultic Studies Association, and Refocus have
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grown rapidly in the wake of NXIVM. They hold
25:43
conferences, publish research, and train mental
25:46
health professionals, law enforcement, educators,
25:49
and families. They teach how to spot red flags
25:52
early, like language manipulation, love bombing,
25:55
isolation tactics, obedience disguised as personal
25:58
development, or the erosion of critical thinking.
26:02
They also offer resources for people who suspect
26:05
a loved one is caught up in a high -control group.
26:08
Because the question every parent of a Nexium
26:10
member asks is, Why didn't I see it? And the
26:14
answer is rarely neglect. It's that high control
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groups train people to hide their captivity,
26:20
to call it growth, to call it freedom, or to
26:23
call it love. Some of the strongest reform advocates
26:27
are the survivors themselves. Sarah Edmondson,
26:30
India Oxenberg, Mark Vicente, Ambani PS, and
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others have taken what they endured and turned
26:36
it into activism. They speak at universities.
26:39
They consult with investigators. They testify
26:42
before legislative committees. They meet with
26:44
families of those caught in new cults, because
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Nexium was not the last. Sarah Edmondson said,
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quote, If I don't tell the story, someone else
26:53
will, and they might get it wrong. Again. End
26:57
quote. India works with survivors of other abuse
27:01
-based organizations. She has quietly helped
27:03
women who were branded in DOS find medical and
27:06
emotional support, not just as a public figure,
27:09
but as someone who's still healing too. One unexpected
27:13
result of NXIVM's fall was a growing interest
27:15
in toxic organizational behavior, even outside
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of cults. Corporate consultants began studying
27:21
NXIVM's recruitment and retention methods, not
27:24
as spiritual abuse, but as extreme human resource
27:27
models. Because the truth is, some of NXIVM's
27:30
tactics, performance tiers, colored sashes, public
27:34
demerits, personal growth through feedback, they
27:36
all mirror high -performance business culture.
27:39
The difference? Consent. transparency, ethical
27:43
oversight, things Nexium deliberately abandon.
27:46
Now trainers and human resource teams are asking
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questions like, are we demanding loyalty or cultivating
27:52
trust? Are we building leaders or followers?
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Are we growing people or just controlling them?
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In one way or another, Nexium forced the professional
28:02
world to ask deeper questions. Recovery isn't
28:05
about erasing Nexium. It's about understanding
28:08
what made it possible and not letting it happen
28:10
again. For many survivors, that means creating
28:13
boundaries, saying no to interviews, taking time
28:16
away from advocacy. One woman said, quote, you
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can't be a full -time survivor. At some point,
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you just want to be a person again, end quote.
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Others stay active, but with limits, because
28:28
telling the story is powerful, but reliving it
28:31
every day, that's a cost. And so the movement
28:34
continues, not in courtrooms, nor on TV. But
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in therapy rooms, policy meetings, and quiet
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moments when someone dares to ask, am I really
28:43
free? Justice is loud. It has gavels and sentences.
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It has headlines, camera crews, and applause.
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But what comes after? That's quiet. After Keith
28:58
Ranieri was sentenced to 120 years, after the
29:01
sashes were packed away and the building shuttered,
29:04
after the last apology and the last appeal, There
29:07
was a silence no one had trained for. Some families
29:10
were reunited, but others weren't. Some parents
29:14
wept for daughters who came home, but others
29:17
were still waiting. And they are still waiting
29:19
now. Because not everyone walked away. Some NXIVM
29:24
members stayed loyal, even after all of those
29:26
convictions. They believed the justice system
29:29
got it all wrong. They believed the branding
29:32
was misunderstood. They believed that the mission
29:35
was pure. In cult dynamics, there's a term for
29:38
this. Residual belief. It's what lingers even
29:42
after the structure is gone. It's the idea that
29:45
maybe, just maybe, the outside world is still
29:48
lying. One father whose daughter refused to testify
29:51
said, quote, she told me Keith was a martyr,
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that he was crucified for being too good. I didn't
29:58
know what to say. I just told her that I loved
30:01
her, and I'm still waiting. End quote. Not everyone
30:07
who left NXIVM went public. Most didn't. They
30:10
changed their names, they cut ties, and they
30:12
disappeared into the noise. One woman who left
30:16
DOS in 2015 declined every interview request,
30:20
but in a letter to a support group she wrote,
30:23
quote, I have nothing left to say. I just want
30:25
to be normal again, and maybe I never will be.
30:29
End quote. Others returned to their hometowns
30:32
only to find they no longer fit. They had missed
30:35
years of birthdays, funerals, and marriages.
30:37
They came back fluent in a language that no one
30:39
else spoke. One former member said, quote, I'd
30:44
talk about growth, and people thought I meant
30:46
therapy. I meant assignments, readiness, and
30:49
penance. It took me a long time to realize the
30:52
whole world hadn't changed. Just me. End quote.
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One of the more hidden aspects of NXIVM's legacy
30:58
lies in its youngest members, children who were
31:01
born inside. Children who were raised around
31:04
teachings of obedience and ranking, and the children
31:06
who witnessed things that they didn't yet understand.
31:10
Some were used in videos, later recovered as
31:12
evidence. Others were raised by women who'd given
31:15
everything to the group. One mother said in court,
31:18
quote, I let my daughter watch me get branded,
31:21
and I told her it was beautiful. That's what
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I have to live with, end quote. The ripple effects
31:27
aren't over. They may last a generation. NXIVM
31:31
didn't claim to be a church, but it behaved like
31:33
one. It offered salvation, promised transformation,
31:37
demanded confession, sacrifice, and unwavering
31:40
faith. And like many religious trauma survivors,
31:43
former NXIVM members struggled with shame, guilt,
31:46
a loss of community, and a fear of new authority
31:48
structures. One survivor said, quote, it wasn't
31:52
just that Keith betrayed us, it's that I betrayed
31:54
myself for him. How do you come back from that?
31:58
End quote. What most people don't realize is
32:01
that leaving a cult involves grief, not just
32:03
over what happened, but over who you were before
32:06
it did. You grieve the person who believed, the
32:10
one who wanted help, the one who wanted to help,
32:13
the one who saw potential in others. One woman
32:17
said, quote, I used to love poetry, but for 10
32:20
years I only read Keith's writing. I still don't
32:24
know what I like anymore, end quote. It's not
32:28
just recovery, It's reconstruction, brick by
32:31
brick, word by word, meal by meal, until your
32:35
body belongs to you again. Justice offers a verdict,
32:40
but life doesn't. For many, there will never
32:43
be a perfect sense of closure, only chapters,
32:46
some messy, some healing, some still unwritten.
32:50
And maybe that's okay, because survival isn't
32:53
a conclusion, it's a constant act of defiance.
32:58
In the years since NXIVM fell, its name has faded
33:01
from most headlines. The courts are all empty.
33:05
The documentaries have all been released. And
33:08
for most people, the story is over. But for the
33:11
people who lived it, over is just a myth. There's
33:15
no need ending. Just a series of awakenings.
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Some delayed for years and others still unfolding.
33:24
This is the real question of Sashes and Slaves
33:27
was already leading toward. Not just what happened
33:30
in Nexium, but how it happened. But most of all,
33:34
could it happen to anyone? Could it happen to
33:37
you? In our final episode, we'll dismantle the
33:42
engine that powered Nexium's rise, and explain
33:46
step by step how it operated. We'll learn this
33:50
by using the Byte model, developed by cult recovery
33:53
expert Stephen Hassan, which breaks down the
33:56
four pillars of control, behavior, information,
33:59
thought, and emotion. We'll apply it directly
34:02
to NXIVM, and especially to Alice and Max's journey
34:06
in particular. We'll show you how charisma becomes
34:09
coercion, how ideology becomes imprisonment,
34:13
and how even the most empowered can become enslaved
34:15
by belief itself. I'm Rick Welch, and this is
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of Sashes and Slaves.