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He Didn't Start the Fire | Robert Hubert · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: This is season seven, episode 10.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: Summer is upon us here in Arizona.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're reaching those days that are gonna be just solid over a hundred.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: I saw it starting on the on the weather.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: We're at 103 this week.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: We had a tiny break.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like this weekend was in the 80s, and I think that's the last we'll see of the 80s until November.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry we're like literally talking about the weather.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: But like it's when you live in Arizona, that's all there is.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's our life.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're just sad because it's it's done.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're not allowed to do anything anymore.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's why we usually stop this show around this time, and here we are with bonus episodes slash regular season episodes going late into the summer.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's okay.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: And normally we die at this time, and then we have to be resurrected back in the fall.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: October brings us back.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: I will say it is my goal to be a snowbird.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where where are you snowbirding off to?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I wish I could do something exotic.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think our initial plan, because I want it to be in the next few years, is just like northern Arizona.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, like two hours up.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, I'm going to England.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, I know.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's obviously the goal.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: The goal.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: The most attainable near goal is.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: I t I'll take that.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: A couple hours out of time.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: So snowbirds is, I don't know if that that's kind of a term known for Arizona.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I think Florida.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Florida.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: I guess the people who are the snowbirds.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: But if you're not from around here, being a snowbird is when you only stay here when it's nice, and then you leave when it's god-awful terrible, and everyone wants to go hide under a rock.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like a bird.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: So it's truly like a ghost town here in the summer, especially in like my neighborhood and Scottsdale.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: We live near a lot of snowbirds.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: So like you'll notice your neighbors are just gone.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: It just everyone disappears.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_03: Everything gets quiet.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Everything is empty and everything's low prices because like all day happy hours at restaurants and movie tickets are really cheap.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: And like if you're a golfer, they're really cheap.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like no one wants to be on the golf course at 120 degree heat.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: So you can golf for super cheap.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or like resorts will offer staycation packages to residents.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: So like if you're an Arizona resident, you could stay at a really nice hotel for like dirt, dirt cheap.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like pool packages, just like a pool day at a nice resort.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: My husband golfs in the summer.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how he does it.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Does they go at like five in the morning?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like you go really early in what is typically like$200 for one round of golf in the winter.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be like a$200 season pass for the whole summer.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: So that's what he does.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, we're we're here.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: You're still gonna get us for uh until we get through season seven.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we had to do this.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: Is our second take because I said season 10, and she's like, I don't think that's right.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh what?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know where we are, what's happening anymore.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: Our brains also fry in the summertime.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, I I agree, like going up to Flagstaff or something.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think a good goal for mine, if I'm staying domestically, it would be Maine, probably.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, yeah.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's still very far from it.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's still very far.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: And then the goal is England.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, okay, goal one is maybe just outskirts of Arizona where it's not 120 degrees.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: Goal two, because I'm from Colorado, would probably be Colorado.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: For you, maybe East Coasty.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Goal three, Europe.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just go to the UK.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's my agenda, absolutely.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: I've been watching a lot of UK driving instructor videos.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, what?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: How fried is your brain right now?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know who I am anymore.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, what what turned you onto this?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: How'd you get to the happy arrive here?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because I decided when I do live in England, because that will happen, and I'm gonna manifest it and speak positively about that.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: I need to learn how to drive there.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: By watching videos?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I've been watching a lot of videos to understand driving in England.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like driver Z for Americans.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_03: But it's more, it's funnier than that because it's point of view driving, but it there's this one instructor I like to follow who has just like the worst driving student ever.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm just, if this girl can do it, I can do it.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: She is like she almost hits pedestrians.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: He constantly has to take over the wheel.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_03: She stops in a roundabout and reverses.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, and he's so calm, the instructor.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: He's just like, I have never seen anyone do that before.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, no, no, you're not allowed to do that.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's just, it's really entertaining, but it's getting me in the mood of like, I can drive in England at this point.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: I can do it.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: Of just learning the we'll get you like a little plastic wheel that you can use with that video in conjunction.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: So you're like practice.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it also that reminds me of the movie The Holiday, where Cameron Diaz is in her tiny car.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and I tried that when I was in England.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: And that was my reaction.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: I was screaming the whole time.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: And like the roads are so tiny, and she's like, I'm on the wrong side of the car, on the wrong side of the road.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: This is fine.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is fine.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's exact.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: I only drove a short distance.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: Jake did most of the driving.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I can do this.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: I could go to the Aldi.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: I drove to Aldi and back, and it was the most terrifying experience I've ever gone through.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just like being 16 again in the US when you're so cautious and you're like adhering to every traffic law because you're so nervous.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was so weird.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: I and we were in such a compact car too, but this was in the Cotswold.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: So the roads were especially narrow.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I was so paranoid of the other car just sideswiping me because it felt weird being on the other side.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: But I was like going off the road the other way.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, that's what I've been doing.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: I've been watching a bad UK driver instructor video.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: What have you been doing, Elizabeth?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I too am.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't as entertaining as yours, but I've been very interested in another element of British culture.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I haven't read a Jane Austen novel probably since high school.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I I own like all of her books.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's only seven, so it's not like that impressive.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: But um all Harry Potter books.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm rereading all the Harry Potters.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm rereading all the Jane Austens, and I haven't, let's be clear, I haven't read them all to begin with.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm reading all of them, and I had to start with like the smallest one, which is persuasion, just to like get back into to persuade you and to reading all the Jane Austens.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: And to just like remember the language because it's not like it's not hard to understand.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like Shakespeare, but they use a lot of outdated terms.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: So you always have to kind of flip to the back of the book where it explains, oh, this word means a two-person carriage or something.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it is a lot of like active reading.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're not just like, oh, beachy read, where I just fly through the pages.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like each page is a labor of love where I'm like, okay, I read this.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let me think about what that means.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go to the back of the book to fully understand their conversation.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I finished Persuasion, that's number one.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, I think it's gonna be Northanger Abbey, which is the second like shortest one.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like how you're going in in order of length, thickness of the book, uh yeah, to get me warmed up.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then I decided after each book, I'm going to like watch whatever movie rendition there is out there.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I just watched all three persuasions.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's only three, at least that I know of.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_04: Are you persuaded yet?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very persuaded.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's persuaded.
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  SPEAKER_02: Highly suggestible here.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um Do you have sense and sensibility yet?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, not yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: You just have the pride and the prejudice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Which ones I read, you mean?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: No, your attributes.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you are my traits?
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you sensible?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to think, I'd like to think I'm proud, but sensible and a little bit of prejudice.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: Sense and sensibility is probably my favorite.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, the movie with Kate Winslett and Emma.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: Really, and Emma Thompson and Alan Rickman.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: Ugh.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's cry.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not I'm not like a romantic.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not into romantic stories that much.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that one makes me cry every time.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: What's funny, and I told Megan this too when I was like, oh, I'm on this big Jane Austen kick.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's like when you watch these old films, and they're not that old, like the persuasion ones I've seen.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: I watched one from 1995, 2007.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: So old.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: So old.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Antique.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Antique from the 1900s.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the new like Dakota Johnson one, I think her name is, from like 2022.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: She's American.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: She's the 50 Shades of Gray Girl.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's American.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: She lives in America, I'm pretty sure.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she she has an American accent.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: I saw her house and architectural digest.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that one's kind of like that one's a fun, modern take.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that makes sense.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: It reminds me of like a Bridgerton rendition where it's like, okay, obviously this isn't accurate, but it's fun and it keeps the same spirit of the story.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I really like the 2007 one, which I wish I could remember the main actress's name.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing a bad job of describing that one.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: But great film.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: I what I love about that film is like uh Ann Elliott, the main character, she frequently like looks at the camera and gives you almost like this sense of like you know what she's thinking.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: The third wall kind of.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like whenever someone says something kind of insulting to her.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not, it's not even in like a humorous way.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like a I don't know, kind of a sad way.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was thinking about it.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: She'll look at you like really Oh, I was thinking of it like Jim in the office or Flea Bag is another really good show that breaks that wall when it's like you it, you know, looks at the audience.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: But that's funny.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: I should look into that.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't seen it.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then the 2000, or sorry, the 1995 one just cracked me up because that's just a who's who of like British actors.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like Anne Petunia from Harry Potter's in it.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the main like love interest.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: He is like the bad guy in Laura Croft Tomb Raider.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just like it's so funny.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny watching it because like all of these versions, because I'm just so surprised by the actor choices.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh my god, you.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I love about British shows and British movies.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like all of those actors are pretty much interchangeable in totally you just you see them all in a Modge Podge of different roles, and there's nothing that I love more when you can count out off how many Harry Potter characters are.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's when it's a really British show.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if you're a British actor and you're not in a Harry Potter or a Jane Austen novel, any type of like movie, like all the Brit Fox stuff.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, then like each of the same actors.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Are you even a British actor if you're not in any of those either of these?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that sounds like a really good summer plan.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I like it when you always create a goal for yourself.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know me, my like checkboxes.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: A theme of sorts.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get out of a theme.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: I love a good theme.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: We love a good theme.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like we need a Jane Austen birthday for you.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're so right.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: My birthday did the light bulb just go off in this moment?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: My birthday's in pretty much exactly a month.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, let's let's think about that.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: We okay.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: We uh we love a good themed party.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna table that conversation and we're gonna come back to it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: We can just make the whole episode planning out your Jane Austen birthday party.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'd love this episode to be about my birthday.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Vote yes.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: If you would no, this is where it turns into the choose your own adventure.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, turn to this part of the podcast if you would like to hear about your Jane Austen birthday.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: I like that.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Fast forward to this part if you want to hear about execution.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Turn off if you're done completely.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Turn off and be like, what the fuck is wrong with these girls?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're not invited to my birthday party if you don't like this conversation.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, hear me out.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: What if we did a virtual birthday party with listeners and everyone shows up in a Jane costume playing Fitzsi with you under the table in costume of either your favorite Jane Austen character or your favorite executed person?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot going on there.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think we can combine the theme.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a big undertaking.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Don't listeners, don't listen to her.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm really good at having ideas and not following through, but this is one we might we might pick apart a little.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: We'll think about that.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I like the Jane Austen idea.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need to get everyone involved.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: But I appreciate your opinion.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're excited.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Thank God we can make it through summer.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, speaking of heat, oh, made that transition.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Good for you.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: That was improvised.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's well done.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we have a very hot episode for tonight.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: We do.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: We've just been living in sweat and heat, and we're like, let's talk about fire.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love fire.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: You'll notice the candle here in front of us.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: We never have a live candle.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, if you're on YouTube.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Fire hazard, some say.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: But we have a person of the evening who his story takes place during the Great Fire of London in 1666.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: And he's a little bit of an obscure person himself.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we're gonna be talking about Robert Hubert or Hubert, if you want to say it the English way.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let's first set the scene.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: The year is 1666 in London.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: I also love that the year is 666.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's just very dark.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: A few YouTube videos we watched on this subject liked to call that out.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, clearly, Satan was up to something.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: I I mean, I'm sure in the time too, right?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: And there was so much superstition.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, people strongly believed.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder when 666 became a thing.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's in the Bible, right?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, then I guess they knew about it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it's like the devil's number.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: I guess okay.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: They were afraid of embark on this year.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a pop culture thing, it's a biblical thing.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a thing.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's been a thing since the Bible was around, is my is my thing.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: My explanation.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: It goes back to Old Testament style.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, London.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's the third largest city in the world.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: London is popping.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: There's about 300 to 400,000 people living in London.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: There's the city proper, so there's a city wall, which is the original like Roman walls.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: As well as the river makes up the like proper city of London.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: But even outside of that, there's more neighborhoods, I guess you can call it, that makes up London.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a huge population.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: Too many people, in fact.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: London was not known for being a clean, open-aired, beautiful, tranquil place to live.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that a lot this is kind of probably common knowledge, but really I just want to describe where we're living right now.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: It is dirty, it is over overpopulated, overcrowded, sick.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: There is like, you know, just absolute filth and feces and everything running in the streets.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in the year before, in 1665, that that's when their big plague year was, too.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: So the city's just getting over the Black Death.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: Big plague year for them.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: And the the actual construction of the city is just chaotic in like the best way possible to say it.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's very much a medieval layout that they just kept building off of.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a scramble.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: The roads are really, really narrow, and this becomes important.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: So we want to talk about the very narrow, more like alleyways, honestly.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Where even on a normal day, it would get very congested and build up of traffic, and it would be hard to get carts through.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I could just imagine people shouting and dumping their you know, waste off on over the window.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: And really quick about roads, if you think about it, um, you know, I mean, modern times we have such wide roads because obviously the evolution of transportation and cars.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, look at America, we have huge roads.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, like especially in America, you have one person per car.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you're accommodating for one person per car and all this space, and you're expanding like highways to be five lanes wide.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: And when you think about, you know, 1600s London, there's obviously there's not even really horse and buggies going around.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: No, there's no buggies.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's like a cart and there's horses.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's walking.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: So you don't need wide streets.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: You just need a tiny corridor to get to from point A to point B.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're not worried about how much how many people you're gonna accommodate.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, yep, this gets you through.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: But as there's more and more people growing in the city, it just gets crowded in these little alleyways.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Their housing is sporadic, but also they just kind of keep building to accommodate for this overcrowding.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: And they were called jetties, where they would actually grow, they would build up, which we do now with skyscrapers, with skyscrapers and buildings, but of course they didn't have the infrastructure for skyscrapers and in these tall buildings.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: So they they called them jetties because they would just increase the number of stories.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just thinking we have a lot of Harry Potter references tonight, but I just keep thinking of the borough, how it's kind of topsy turvy.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like wonky.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's wonky and it's really tall.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um the most of the houses were made of wood.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: They had thatched roofs, which were becoming prohibited because they were so unsafe, but people were using them because they were very cheap to build off of.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: And it's just it's everyone's living on top of each other.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: The the way that these jetties worked is that they had these overhangings of windows that would just kind of protrude out and hover over the little narrow streets.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: So you could be in some of these streets in the middle of the day, but it would be dark and shadowy because the buildings just blocked the sun.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: These overhangings.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, as far as the political climate of 1666, King Charles II is on the throne.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: We can recall his father, Charles I, was the first king of England who was executed.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: He was beheaded.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: There was a huge civil war that took place.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: People were not happy with him.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: People are kind of coming off of this civil war.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the current like people in parliament and leadership, they very much remember the civil war.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it wasn't that long ago.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and there's a lot of tense, there's a lot of like tense moments, I guess, between the people and especially the call the Republicans that were living there in the city against the crown.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: They were still kind of burned by by his father, Charles I.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: So it was just kind of like a crappy time to be in London, I would say.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: There's crap on the streets, there's crap in the politics.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: It smells, it's gross, it's overpopulated.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like stuffy and suffocating.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds uh disgusting.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: And Charles II was very much aware of this, and he was actually a huge advocate for wanting to make his city, his, his country and his city, a clean and likable place to be.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: He worried a lot about the risk of fire, and he was very vocal about this.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: In 1661, um, Charles II set a proclamation prohibiting those jetties and those overhanging windows I just discussed.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Completely ignored.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: People kind of laughed at it.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, okay, Chuck, like, yeah, we're not sure.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: We'll do that, wink wink.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and how are you gonna enforce that too?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, are you gonna have a special, you know, force, task force that goes out and tells you, hey, you gotta better take that, you know, jetty off, or like, you know, make sure that overhanging is cut back.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna be like, okay, with what resources am I gonna do that?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: Which in 1665, again, warning of the potential of fire.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: He wanted to demo a lot of these dangerous structures.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: So he tried to do this.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: He tried to set some standards and mark the ones that are going to be a problem and completely destroy them and demo them.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, again, we're like, okay, yeah, let me just burn down my house or blow up my house.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's put a big on it, like Fern Gully.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so nothing's really happening, but um the risk of fire is looming.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when our main character uh enters.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: So Robert Hubert, uh, he was born in 1640.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: So this is uh officially 26 years before the fire breaks out.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: But um, because he's obviously lowborn, we don't know a ton of who he was as a boy, but we know that he is young.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, he's only in his 20s when the uh fire breaks out.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: He's a watchmaker and he is from Rowan, France.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, by all accounts, everyone who knew him, uh, they basically said he was a highly vulnerable individual, highly suggestible.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: And the way they know that is because he had a lot of um physical and mental kind of uh evident flaws.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: So he was paralyzed on one side of his body completely.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: So he had this uh, I guess, um way about him where people knew he could he had very uh limited physical abilities.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um they also knew that he was probably suffering from sort of some sort of mental illness.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so, again, by all accounts, everyone said that you can basically tell him to do anything and he would do it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of sad.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's very sad, a very easy person to take advantage of.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and some people use the term crippled, some stayed paralyzed, but in general, he didn't have full functioning uh of one side of his body.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: So September 2nd, 1666 is when the official fire breaks out, devastates the city.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: 80% of the city is destroyed because of the fire that they should have known was coming.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: In the matter of three days, this fire lasted.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it starts off at a bakery owned by Thomas Fariner's.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for that dramatic pause while I was making sure I had his name right.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he was I love this.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: The it was a bakery on pudding lane.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's so cool.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: So appropriate.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: I I think though this is very common where the street names were named after the types of shops that were on there, were there.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: And those street names still exist to this day.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like you can go to Pudding Lane in London.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: So Pudding obviously is dessert in British speak.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_04: British speak.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: We had pie in celebration of this tonight.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: We had a great, I mean, you know, we had a classic cherry American pie.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was fantastic.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Very British.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: A little pile of mode.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it starts in this bakery, and what historians can presume at this point happened is, you know, lights are out, everyone is going to sleep.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's about midnight.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: The the kilns in the the ovens are downstairs and everyone is sleeping upstairs.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's the baker, his wife, his daughter, and then his apprentices are up in the attic and a maid.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: And what they figured probably happened is even though the fires weren't in full blow and they were still dying down, probably an ember popped out, and that's all it took.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: And ember, I mean, these are wood houses.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: There's straw on the ground.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's very flammable.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: And they noticed the fire coming up and into the rooms.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not like it's winter.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like you have enough like cold or damp or rain to really like extinguish this.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like, yeah, if it's uh, you know, decent, dry, like early fall weather, this is what you get.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: The family, for the most part, managed to escape by jumping out the window on the second floor.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Except for the maid.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the maid didn't make it.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: She was afraid to jump, so she'd rather stay in a burning building, evidently.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Idiot.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: She was the first victim.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just remember, kids, better to have broken legs than die a terrible death in a fire.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Your legs will heal.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: She was afraid to jump.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: So the fire starts building up, and now it's starting to make its way just beyond.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's more than just this one house now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's starting to become a thing.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Which fires happened.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the everyone had candles and lanterns, and fires were common, but it was about controlling the fire.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: They did have it's not like they had firefighters necessarily.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: It was mostly based on just civilians coming and helping and grabbing leather buckets of water and trying to put it out.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the Lord Mayor, who is Sir Thomas Bloodworth, is notified.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like, dude, there's a fire happening.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: I love that his name is Bloodworth.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: His sense of urgency is very low.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, he says poof.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: He says, poof, have the women piss on it were his words.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like as if it's not a big deal.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: I guess is what that means.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Have the women piss on it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Or have a woman piss on it.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know the exact quote in front of me.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: It was something along those lines.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh silly.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: And people did.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: People did pee on the fire.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we were watching this documentary with Dan Jones and Susanna Lipscomb.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Dan Jones was saying that, you know, people obviously were trying to use water, but they were using milk.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: They were peeing on the fire, anything to get it extinguished.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Milk.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's probably a milkman and some sort of there's milk around.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't know.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's milk.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, sure.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, not the ale.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's not sure they have barrels of wine ale.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Dan Jones didn't mention alcohol.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: But okay.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: I guess alcohol would be well liquor.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Liquor is very flammable.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: But is beer flammable?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Ale was watered down.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say their their mead and their ale were watered down at the time.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like what we would know today.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Don't throw liquor at it, but maybe a watered-down beer could be helpful.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Resources were slim.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: We haven't done that experiment.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And they did have this one firefighting strategy back then called fire breaking or fire breaks.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And what the strategy was is because again, these houses are all pretty much connected and all these buildings are connected and so tight together, and the fire is running along them in a path.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: So the concept was demo, break down one of the buildings so that the fire would stop and like stop the path of the fire.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like it would just die down instead of spreading.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: Instead of going to the next the next building.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the there's a few reasons they were not very quick to do this.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: And this is where the Lord Mayor got involved.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so his first idea was like, okay, well, this one house is on fire, so let's demo the two houses surrounding it.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: And the owners of those houses were like, hell no, like just because their house is on fire, like don't take down mine with it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: So there was some disputes of were they willing to do this or not.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then as it started growing, they're like, okay, we gotta, we really gotta start demoing these houses.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: But a lot of the houses were um rented out.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like the owner wasn't living in the house.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: The tenants were living in the house.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: So the mayor is like, Well, I don't have their permission to tear their house down.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Evidently, he was a very like um agreeable man.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: And he was just a yes man, is how people describe Lord Bloodsworth.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And he's probably pro uh owner, you know, pro whoever the um uh uh landlord is of the house.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Why why would he care about tenants?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he won he was more worried about the value of the homes, even though they were gonna go up in flames anyways.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: And then there was this whole political stance.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: He is still pretty much burned on Charles II and really didn't want to have to get any of the royal soldiers involved.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Yeah, we got this, we got this.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: So he was pretty much being offered help.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we've got a bunch of men who are willing to come in and help with this, but he didn't want to create this alliance, I suppose, or like feel like he needed this support from the royals.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was not calling for aid.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, which is kind of interesting.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: So, all of uh all of this said, it really delayed some of the practices they could have put in place sooner to try to prevent the fire from getting bigger.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't, they waited way too long.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't until very late into the night, like early Monday morning, that finally Charles II is getting wind of what's happening and he sends in his troops and he gets the garrison of the Tower of London involved of like, okay, we need all hands on deck right now to get this fire under control.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: And in terms of citizens, it I think people didn't realize how quickly it would spread or how big of a deal it was.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like some people were kind of seeing it in the distance, like, oh yeah, that'll go out on its own.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna make it over here, continued their shopping in the market.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and even those that were trying to flee or go elsewhere, it's like I think you were you were saying that in the the city walls, there were very narrow exits.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: So it was there was no really easy way to get out of the city, even if you wanted to.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And by the time you made up your mind to go, it was probably already very crowded.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: The walls were really tall.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: They couldn't just, they were the original Roman walls, they couldn't just hop over the walls.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: And again, like because the city is enclosed.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: So now we're into Tuesday and the whole city is up in flames.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: St.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's is gone.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: The old St.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's because of this, it the St.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's that we know now is not what it looked like before the fire.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: That is gone.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: It threatens Whitehall Palace.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's just the city is completely being demolished.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: People are panicking, like Elizabeth was saying, the streets are crowded, people are realizing they need to flee.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: They have the river.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: They have the river Thames.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: People are trying to use the river to escape rather than using the river to perhaps put the fire out.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: So they're just like loading up tiny boats with their all their worldworldly possessions and just like sinking because it's like there, you're taking too much crap and maybe use some of this water to put out the fire.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: But we were saying it would be funny if they did have a little line of people like bucket to bucket, like taking the water up from the Thames.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like little rascals when by the time it gets to the end of the line, there's like an inch of water that they throw on the fire.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: It feels like trying to put this fire out.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, also, what did not work in their favor is very conveniently along the river, there were a lot of shops that just so happen to have a lot of combustible items.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: Everything was flammable in this area.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: Everything they had was flammable.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so there were all of these paper buildings, old paper shops that are storing tar, pitch, hemp, flex.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: They had barrels and barrels of black um black powder, of gunpowder.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: The Tower of London itself had five to six hundred tons of powder in the Tower of London.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: And for whatever reason, all of these old timers who were from the Civil War just had barrels of gunpowder in their houses.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Just in case.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: So everything's blowing up left and right.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Between like liquor, gunpowder, like you said, like parchment, ink, like all of those are highly flammable.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: People slept in straw beds, so the straw is just going up.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like almost everything you touched in your home was highly flammable.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's just not working in their favor.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then I think of Tower Bridge, which we've talked about on the show.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I asked Megan.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, this must have been what got rid of the Tower Bridge homes.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like Tower Bridge or London Bridge?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm getting confused now.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sorry, London Bridge.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: London Bridge.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: I said Tower Bridge.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: London Bridge.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: So we didn't mention this on the show, but there used to be homes and shops and even like a water wheel constructed on London Bridge.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like its own little tiny city entirely sitting on the bridge.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: And like Megan said, because they were building up and out, it got just so big and it was a huge hazard.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I said to Megan, I was like, there's no way this thing survived the fire.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's probably why it's gone, is because of the fire.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then we looked it up.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Actually helped prevent the fire from spreading.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: It blocked the fire because there's like a gap in between homes, like they were trying to accomplish with the water breaks.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: And it so it actually prevented the fire from spreading, and those homes were left standing on the breadwall.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Incredible.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: And they were torn down shortly after because they were deemed a hazard.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, yo, you mean the rest of the city was a hazard?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: These actually made it.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: It actually helped prevent the fire from moving more north than it than it needed to.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: So that's great.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so the only thing that eventually really stopped the fire, it wasn't from the efforts of all the city people who put it out together.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: They just got lucky where the east wind stopped and it stopped blowing the fire around and it eventually settled down because everything burned up to a crisp.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: There was nothing left to burn.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, geez.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: And so that was on Wednesday.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: It finally stopped.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: And in the end, 13,000 buildings were gone, 87 parishes, 44 company halls, some really big important buildings like St.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's Cathedral.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: Nine to 10 million pounds worth of damage back then.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Which is what now?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: 2.03 billion pounds, or about 2.5 billion dollars US dollars.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's a lot of money.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: 150,000 pounds worth of books.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that that makes me the most sad.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Is when you know, like again, there's no digital backup files, right, in this era.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: If you have so much knowledge and histories like put in these books, and maybe there's only a single copy or a couple copies, like this is the time of history where you're extinguishing so much knowledge.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows what stories we didn't learn or unpublished, like Shakespearean works.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, who knows?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there could have been so much that um that perished in that fire, and most likely, like, we'll never recover most of those things.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so so much.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um Do you think there's more An Boleyn portraits in that fire?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: They were all probably burned up.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: So shockingly, supposedly, six deaths, including the maid from the original house.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: That can't be.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't there's been a lot of dispute about that.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe like notable deaths, but no way.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: It destroyed 80% of the city and only six people died.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: There's no way.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I have nothing to stand on to try to make an argument here.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: But I do think that sounds very low.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and at this point, Londoners, even though the fire is officially gone, again, 80% of the city is gone.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: So Londoners start to get very desperate about looking for someone to blame.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: Pissed.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Pissed.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like they have nothing.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: They have apparently I would say no one, but no, everyone's alive.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: No one died.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: So besides the maid who wouldn't jump out the window.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: Her fault.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no, but so they're there's all these people looking around and they're trying to figure out what to do next.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And because everything's destroyed, obviously they're out of work for a while.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: They're trying to figure out how to rebuild, but they're looking around and they're like, this just can't be an act of God.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, someone is sabotaging our city.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like the devil.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's the 666 year.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: 666, yeah, it's the devil.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's going on?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: And at the time, England was actually uh at war with France and the Netherlands.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: So uh fear what of foreigners was getting increasingly common.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: So unfortunately, people immediately start spreading rumors and they're saying this is not accidental.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: This started from a malicious plot.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably orchestrated by foreign Catholics specifically.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, but the Catholics.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: They're not English and they're definitely not Protestant.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: They're definitely foreign and they're for sure Catholic.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: So all of a sudden, people start circulating these rumors and they're looking for a scapegoat.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: So here's good old Robert Hubert.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: And he, at the same time, of like people starting to look around and point fingers, he is fleeing London and he's on a Swedish ship.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: And somehow they catch him.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure exactly why they found him specifically.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't everyone fleeing?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: That was that's what I'm always away from though.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just curious by this story because he's in the North Sea on the Swedish ship, and he's detained under suspicion that he's a foreign agent.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know how they got wind of him from like on in the first place.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why him?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: Why that ship?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: How'd you get to him?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of questions.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like I think they just found a guy that they could probably work into a story.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: Most likely what's happening.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: And good old Robert doesn't disappoint because when they do finally catch him, sweet Robert.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sweet Robert, sweet dear Robert, he starts making these wild and very contradictory claims.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: So he starts telling his story about how he did, in fact, start the fire.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: He was the one.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, oh, are you looking for someone to blame?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Let me tell you the full story.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: And of course, his story is constantly changing.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: So they know pretty early on that this isn't even an accurate account of what happened.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: If half of it's true, it's it's just nowhere near the truth.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's insane.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: So this is how it starts.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: He says, Yes, I started this fire.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: I started it in Westminster.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: And they say, that's interesting.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it hasn't even reached Westminster, right?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Out of 80% of the city, that's the like 120% it didn't hit.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: So he's like, just throws a random city, and they're like, actually, no, sir.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, sir, who's confessing to your crime?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: That didn't happen.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he says, Oh, you're right.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: It that didn't happen.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: What happened was I was walking down the street and I was in Pudding Lane, and I threw a crude fireball.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like a grenade thing.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: I threw this fireball through a window into the bakery, into Thomas Farner's bakery.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where it began.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: They go, sir, there's no windows in his bakery.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: Why did they say they try to jump out the window then?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: I just realized that.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: There's a plot hole.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: I think upper windows.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, upper windows.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like two stories.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, because the fire started at the bottom.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: So he claimed, like, oh, I threw this firebom through the like window in their shop, like in the basement or not the basement, but the ground level.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, I'm finding like here I am like dissecting it and like still finding plot holes.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: Keep up that energy.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so putty lane is where it began.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: We uh the documentary we watched with Dan Jones, he claims that it wasn't actually in the bakery itself, that an ember flew outside of the bakery, and it started more so on where Monument Lane is, I think, is what it's called today.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's a more accurate description of where the fire actually started based on what they've learned recently.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: But regardless, that's his story now.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I threw this, you know, fireball through the window, and they're like, sir, no windows.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: No windows, try it again.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: No windows, keep working on it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're so close.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're so close.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: We really want you to be the guy.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: You just gotta confess correctly.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: They're like coaching this poor kid to try to get him to say they're like, all you have to do is say this.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's bad.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: So then he says, okay, okay.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: I did have accomplices that helped me, and they made sure to stop the watercocks.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what a watercock is.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really want to look up to see what a watercock is.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't Google watercock.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he said that those accomplices accomplices were essentially in place to make sure that the fire spread and nothing was stopping the fire.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he's like, Yeah, I'm also a French spy and I work for the Pope.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, got a lot of big power on my side.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then he changes his story quickly to say, actually, I acted alone.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't have help.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty impressive to do all that on your own.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: And what's interesting is there's never any confirmed account of torture.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like a lot of historians speculate, like, there's no way he would say all of this stuff if he wasn't tortured.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what person knowing execution's a very real thing that they can face would just come forward and say, Yeah, I just I was the one that caused the biggest fire of all time.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what else do you want to know?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then have this ever-changing story.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like the sense of pride over what he supposedly did.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: So there is like his some historians that just say, definitely tortured, no way he would just say all this stuff.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of historians do do say that he uh it's it's like a certain psychological thing called the confessing Sam.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: And perhaps that was something that he was going through.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I looked up Confessing Sam, uh, and sorry if I kind of botched this, but what it is in essence is it's when you want to attach yourself to like an iconic, well-known tragedy.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, using a terrible example like the Oklahoma City bombing or like Abraham Lincoln's assassination.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like Abraham's good one.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Not a let's not use a modern reference, but yeah, like a big historical thing, like the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you either want to elevate yourself from obscurity and say, no, I had a major part to play.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like this almost just need to insert yourself in a narrative, or it's just simply that you're too, I guess, I don't know, naive about the consequences of doing that.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, oh yeah, I was there.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: I did that.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost like if somebody wants to take the claim for fame, but they don't care what the press is on them, that they're okay with it being negative, a negative reputation.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: Because they'd rather have a negative reputation than no reputation at all.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Almost like, I would rather go in the history books of being known for something terrible, even if I didn't do it.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Because now people know my name.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: And look at how I mean.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: We're doing an episode on him.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_03: He lived on.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I feel like there's people in prison now who brag about things that they've done because they're like, ha, I'm in the news and I have documentaries about me on Netflix now and right now.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: And some yeah, and again, some people use it for because they want to be seen as a villain or malicious.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: And some people just really only care about the fame or the closeness to such a grand grand event, whether it be a good or bad event.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so a lot of a lot of theories as to why he would confess all of this.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: And clearly the confession had a lot of holes in it because it changed constantly.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: But eventually he was tried at Old Bailey.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the authorities were pretty skeptical right away.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: They even had the baker himself, like Thomas, come in and question uh Robert himself to kind of see, okay, how much does he know about the bakery?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Could he have done this?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: And even Thomas, who his own family was facing a lot of pressure at this time because they wanted to maybe pin it on him or his family.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because they're like, well, maybe you didn't properly extinguish your ovens that night.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: Now all of London is gone.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good job, you and your family.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, Thomas knowing that, like, oh, it's my either my family or this guy, he would probably be really inclined to blame Robert.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: But even Thomas was like, no.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: So, so the Chief Justice John Kelling, uh, he thinks he can solve this problem in a very stupid, simple way.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: But he says, you know what?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I have an idea.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna escort you to Pudding Lane, Robert.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: And if you can point out where exactly this bakery was located, it's proof that you did this.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh yeah, rock and rock, hard, solid proof.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: So so they do.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: They they take him out to Pudding Lane, they escort him there, and he is able to locate the bakery.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Where again, remember, at this time there's no bakery.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say it's ruins.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: All of it just burnt to the ground anyway.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: So they probably don't even know where.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: But that's why they thought that was the smoking gun.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was the proof because he was able, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: This destroyed pudding lane to point out where the bakery was.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: So the chief j justice decided that because he was able to identify where it was and that he had a confession that legally he was guilty, even if a lot of people, you know, didn't believe it, like people that saw him interrogated him, some of the jurors.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the jury also wanted to convict him because they were they were also looking for a scapegoat.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: They were looking for someone to satisfy the public because the public was pissed.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, again, definitely a Catholic, definitely foreign.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, let's figure out who, like, let's put this behind us and start to rebuild London.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: So he's officially sentenced to death.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: And all of this takes place very quickly because by October, I think it was 27th, 1666, uh, Robert Huber was taken to Tyburn and he was hanged.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: One of the many hangings at Tyburn.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Tyburn was known not necessarily for well-known or noble people being executed there.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: There weren't really um beheadings happening there.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: There may have been some drawn-in quarterings, but it was primarily just hangings, just straight up get him out of here.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, quick, quick hangings.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and after his execution, his body was given to uh the company of barber surgeons.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, like our episode we talked about, where there's like, you know, this underground network of undertakers who do these spooky science experiments and dissect bodies.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's essentially what happened to him.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: So they were like, oh, we're gonna give uh give up his body in the name of science for dissection.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: However, his body doesn't even make it to their office because while he's being raw relocated, there's like this furious mob that knows where his body is.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: They're so mad at him.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they intercept his body from the caretakers.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: They're pissed.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't do it.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so they take his corpse, it's already dead.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like he can't really harm the guy, this poor simpleton, you know, any further.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they tear his body apart in the street.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: This mob.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they're probably hungry, they have nowhere to live.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: They're probably all homeless refugees at this point, right?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they're angry.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: The house is burnt down, there's nothing else to do.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like, yeah, let's go make sure this guy, like, you know, has no remains left.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Sad.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's very sad.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's really sad just knowing his mental state.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, there's really no good reason why he lied and confessed to him something he didn't do.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I can't I can't think of anything.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like I think someone convinced him.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he was highly suggestible.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Someone convinced him, hey, come forward and say these things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he was probably like, okay.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: We saw one documentary that said he was promised five pistols if he did this confession.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_03: In the end, he was just a scapegoat because they needed to say that this is all packaged in a done deal.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's resolved.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: We figured out who did it.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's not gonna happen again.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was just because they needed someone to point the finger at.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um they're like, accidents happen.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe, you know, don't have straw and wood and thatched roofs in your entire city.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_03: Next to all your gunpowder and litter.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, don't store all your gunpowder in the kitchen.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: And then like, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: And his offici his official innocence was proven shortly after his death.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: So there were still investigators looking into everything, which I think further proves that, like, okay.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: They're shocked.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how did our justice system allow this to happen?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that like England is notorious at this time for having the most like straightforward trials, right?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but these investigators finally look up crew logs of a ship called the Maid of Stockholm.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a merchant ship that's actually carrying Robert from France to England.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: And they found out that Robert didn't even arrive in London until September 4th.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: So the fire started on September 2nd.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: So literally, he was on a ship when the fire started.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't have possibly started the fire.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's a little late.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, there was this political need for like, again, a foreign Catholic scapegoat, and that need outweighed the blatant timeline contradictions that should have saved his life.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: And they were just okay with it.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: And they were kind of fine with that.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they even erected the statue two years later in 1616 eight.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: It still stands today.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's just known as the monument, but I think the official On Monument Lane.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, on Monument Lane.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you see what we did there?
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I believe like the official name is like the monument of the great fire of London.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they had, they used to have this phrase, it's now gone, but they had this phrase on the the the monument, it says basically that the fire had, quote unquote, begun and carried on by treachery and malice of the popish faction.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, like straight up on this monument to the Great Fire, they're like, Yep, definitely Pope sympathizers, Catholics did this.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_03: And like, way to get the city all angry over nothing.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: And that that little like sentence was removed in 1830.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: So what is that?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, gosh, over 200 years, almost 200 years later.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they only removed it.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like when we when we first learned that, they're like, oh, we did it because they learned their lesson and they're Yeah, like that makes sense.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_03: They need to be a little bit more sensitive.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like remove that from history.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you blaming foreign Catholics?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then we found out the reason they actually removed it is because there was too much, um, it's too much foot traffic.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like too many people were looking at it to see it.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, oh, they couldn't believe their eyes to what it said.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: So they're like, oh, it's too distracting for people, so we gotta get rid of this.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they didn't even have the real, I think, legitimate reason to remove it.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh, this is causing too much of a stir.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's so insane.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I have not seen this monument.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_03: Me neither.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta go back to London.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Darn.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Go live there for the summer.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to be a snowbird in London.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I guess we have to.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:59
  unknown: Dr.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: Zorg.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Don't start a fire.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um or should we?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I have a bit of a confessing Sam itch this summer as my brain fries.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, I just I love the the story of the Great, I don't like lump the fire, but I just think the whole aftermath of what happened with the political stances during the Great Fire of London and all of that was so interesting, but I didn't know that there was actually one single person who was executed for it.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a it's just a weird, it's a weird story.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: The more you know, the more you know.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so if you've ever, again, researched this topic, you probably have seen Robert Hubert's name come up.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I think very simple stories will be like, oh yeah, he's the guy that started the fire.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: But when you look more into it, you're like, nah, there's a lot of layers to this.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_03: And that's an accident.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Robert's innocence was literally proven.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: So probably just a basic household accident, an ember that flung out the window, sparked somewhere, shouldn't have, and you're living on a highly flammable piece of real estate.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I am very impressed though by how much they rebuilt the city so quickly.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: They did.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: How many buildings were burned down?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: 13,000 buildings were burned down.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: And they rebuilt pretty quickly, about 6,000 of them.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I think they said within four years they had pretty fast, almost half rebuilt, which is very impressive.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I guess again, you don't have anything else to do except for execute some folks and um, of course, like St.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's Cathedral had a whole new revamp, a whole new look.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't have that used to have this really tall spire, which was actually rebuilt several times because it kept like burning down getting caught by lightning or something.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um so then, of course, it turned into the St.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: Paul's that we know today.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's very beautiful.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: We saw actually the same guy that designed the monument to the fire, he was the one that designed, I for I forget his name.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: He also um did he was the one that was redoing the cathedral.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Which apparently he also like he had plans to redesign the cathedral before the fire even took place.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: So in a way, it kind of took care of a lot of his work for him.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_03: In concrete.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Something called stone.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, which I mean, that guy should be looked at.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: He seems like suspect number one.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, okay, before we wrap up, yeah, another weird aftermath.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of rebuilding and learning lessons.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: Insurance.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: And insurance came out of this.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, well, yeah, I don't want to wrap up quite yet because we do have a few things that did happen.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, like Megan mentioned, because of the houses that were rebuilt so quickly, a lot of these houses like doubled, tripled in price.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like everything got super more expensive.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: So sorry, you just survived this hour.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it's still very relevant.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, you just survived COVID.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: You just survived the great fire, but now everything is really fucking expensive and you can't afford to live here anymore.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: Or you thought you were gonna be able to rebuild your house here and live in it.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: You're so cute.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: Not only that, they were making the renters still pay their monthly rent for the building that burned down.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: They were like, just because your home isn't here doesn't mean you like get out of paying us.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: The mortgages still existed.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: Mortgages of houses.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Rent still existed.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is so backwards.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and then, yeah, back to the insurance thing.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's how fire insurance started.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: There was like probably the same guy that designed the cathedral.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I don't know if it was him or not that this is all working to my plan.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, look at all the work I have now.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's yeah, rubbing his hands together in a dark corner somewhere.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no, but there was a guy that came forward when he said, I'm gonna create something called fire insurance.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: So he basically told the public, like, oh, if you had fire insurance, like you would be protected and you would be reimbursed and made whole for this entire accident.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: How'd you have had it at the time?
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't exist at the time.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he used the Great Fire as his as his advertising marketing tool.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so people were then like, oh, I guess I'd better buy fire insurance.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna happen again.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because this might happen again.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just so funny.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: The whole insurance thing cracks me up.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: The way that they said that this policy would work is if there was a fire and if you have the insurance, they would mark your house as such, or vice versa.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: They would, I I forget if they marked the houses with the insurance or marked supposedly this.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: They said that this is what would happen.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if they ever actually needed to, but they marked the houses that have insurance with like a crest or a stamp or something to say, don't demo this house, save this house, and when the fire's coming, put the water out, like put the fire out in this one, like and demo the houses that are not marked.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, like you would have special protection from like a fire brigade, which was like the firemen, which was the Tower of London garrison people coming with their gunpowder to demo I think so to like, yeah, to break up the buildings.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think it was them, not like a private company sponsored by they didn't have like firefighters, yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: But either way, like you had a like an insignia on your house, and then the fire brigade would come and be like, save those houses only.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm sure that works.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure in theory that really worked.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure they absolutely would have looked at the markings and followed such orders.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's insane.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's just all of it is so so out there.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's you know, what a different time.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was gonna say screwed over in insurance, but you do.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, insurance.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: Don't get me started.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: But um, but it's like it's funny because you think modern times, like, wow, we lived through all this crazy stuff.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: And then you think of these times and you're like, these people just survived a plague, and then the great fire of London, and then their rebuilt home was worth triple and they couldn't afford it anymore.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and they're pressured to buy fire insurance.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like my goodness.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_03: I I I do find it a very convenient coincidence that it is the year 1666.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's just weird.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's just that is weird.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_02: Good thing you and I won't be alive for 2666.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_03: Or will we six six because of modern medicine?
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be a long time from now.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: We'd have to be reincarnated.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, modern medicine, they just keep, you know, swapping out your organs and like the bionic man.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: As long as there's better insurance in the future, sure.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'll take it.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: Can I snowbird forever?
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_03: Then I accept.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, did we miss anything?
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think we got it all.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Elizabeth.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: If you were to confess for crimes you did not commit.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any final words?
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_03: Burn, baby, burn.