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Ep. 1013: Foundations - The Sad Sound of Disappearing Deer Opportunities · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. Today I'm
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Speaker 2: going to talk about hunting buddies, lost opportunities, and the
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Speaker 2: reality that if you ever want to travel to hunt anything,
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Speaker 2: time is not on your side. Look, this is just
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Speaker 2: kind of your yearly reminder, but I hope you listen.
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Speaker 2: Our hunting opportunities are disappearing faster than most of us
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Speaker 2: probably realize, and that trend is only going to accelerate
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Speaker 2: because the opportunities that are left are seeing increasing demand.
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Speaker 2: If you've ever dreamed about drawing that Iowa white tailte
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Speaker 2: or maybe taking a trip out west to el hunt
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Speaker 2: with your buddies, the times now it's right now.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know you think that I'm being a little crazy here,
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Speaker 2: and if you keep listening, you're going to see what
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Speaker 2: The state of Missouri holds a special place in my heart.
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Speaker 2: It really does. Missouri was the first state that I
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Speaker 2: ever traveled to in order to hunt anything. And let
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Speaker 2: me tell you something that was a big deal. When
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Speaker 2: I was growing up, I only knew one guy who
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Speaker 2: traveled to hunt. He spent part of his fall in
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Speaker 2: Montana for elk each year, and to me, that was incredible,
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Speaker 2: like truly incredible. Then Field and Stream magazine ran a
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Speaker 2: story on destination hunts and they highlighted northern Missouri as
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Speaker 2: one of the places to go for turkeys.
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Speaker 3: And you know who went, My dad. That's who.
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Speaker 2: I was outraged, offended, and quite honestly totally shocked. My
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Speaker 2: dad's history with turkeys is one of being a very
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Speaker 2: very bad turkey hunter. Well he didn't kill a turkey
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Speaker 2: on that first miss trip, but the following year, when
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Speaker 2: I was fifteen, he, my buddy Nolan, and I all
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Speaker 2: drove five and a half hours to Kirksville to chase
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Speaker 2: some public land birds. I'm not being facetious when I
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Speaker 2: say that that trip changed my life. At that time,
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota, we had to draw a turkey tag for
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Speaker 2: one five day season. If you wanted to hunt in
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Speaker 2: the early part of the turkey season, you were not
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Speaker 2: going to draw every year. The last two seasons that
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Speaker 2: were offered up late May seasons were pretty much a
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Speaker 2: gimme because no one wanted to hunt them. The opportunity
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Speaker 2: to buy a tag in a different state and hunt
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Speaker 2: for two turkeys on unfamiliar ground was unbelievable to me.
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Speaker 2: It was so different from my home state of Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: We drove down there several times and it was always
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Speaker 2: worth the cost of admission.
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Speaker 3: So fast forward to today.
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Speaker 2: After seeing Nebraska sell out of their tags in record
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Speaker 2: time and then checking Iowa for non existent leftover tags,
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Speaker 2: I looked at Missouri to see if a buddy and
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Speaker 2: I should head down there for a camping trip centered
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Speaker 2: around god on public land and maybe a little bit
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Speaker 2: of fishing in the afternoon. Well, this year, a non
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Speaker 2: resident license is only good for one turkey, while the
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Speaker 2: resident tag is good for two. A resident pays nineteen
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Speaker 2: dollars and fifty cents for that, while a non resident
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Speaker 2: will shell out three hundred and four dollars and fifty
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Speaker 2: cents to top it off. The state, which has long
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Speaker 2: been known to shut down turkey hunting at one o'clock
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Speaker 2: each day, now allows anyone on private land to hunt
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Speaker 2: all day public land hunters still have to quit halfway through. Now,
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Speaker 2: your mileage may vary, but I'm pretty open to spending
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Speaker 2: a lot on tags, but at a certain point, I'm
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Speaker 2: just not And Missouri kind of hit that point for
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Speaker 2: me this year, to think that my license cost would
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Speaker 2: cover the bill for fifteen residents, but is good for
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Speaker 2: one turkey, while those fifteen could theoretically shoot thirty, all
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Speaker 2: while having to spend half the day not turkey hunting
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Speaker 2: because I hunt public land.
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Speaker 3: That's just a bridge. It's too far.
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Speaker 2: I add that part in to show that it's not
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Speaker 2: likely a response to over Harvard when you consider the
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Speaker 2: bulk of licenses are sold to residents and they are
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Speaker 2: still allowed to kill two birds and can even have
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Speaker 2: extra time to do it if they're not on public land. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not picking on Missouri because they aren't alone in this.
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Speaker 2: This is a thing that a lot of states do
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Speaker 2: and a lot more will do in the near future. Look,
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Speaker 2: we watch the West tighten up everything for non residents,
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Speaker 2: partially in response to managing the resource and partially in
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Speaker 2: response to Hunter's lobbying to kick us out.
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Speaker 3: They have a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Reasons for this, but the truth is almost universally because
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Speaker 2: they perceive those extra hunters as making it harder for them.
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Speaker 2: And if hunters are interested in anything, generally, it's easier hunting. Now,
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Speaker 2: if I am coming off a little salty, I don't
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Speaker 2: mean to. I really don't. It's just that I've been
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Speaker 2: nostalgic lately. Maybe it's just the gray in my beard,
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Speaker 2: or the reality that when you and all your hunting
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Speaker 2: buddies have kids and your jobs get serious, the trips
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Speaker 2: too haunt together just become harder to come by. And
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Speaker 2: now that our kids are somewhat self sufficient and we
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Speaker 2: aren't broke post college students, we started looking for a
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Speaker 2: few ways to go spend five days in tents somewhere
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Speaker 2: hunting something together. We don't really care what, because our
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Speaker 2: trips have never been about trophy hunting. That's just not
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Speaker 2: our jam. And while we have killed some great deer
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Speaker 2: and western critters along the way, we've also killed a
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Speaker 2: lot of critters that meant more to the grill than
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Speaker 2: they would being put on display in the man cave.
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Speaker 2: But those trips weren't just about killing something. I can
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Speaker 2: look at Chad Antler's on my basement shelves and pictures
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Speaker 2: of our trips on my walls and think back on
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Speaker 2: what I missed the most. And it's not that we
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Speaker 2: don't get to go shoot an antelope in North Dakota.
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Speaker 3: Ever.
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Speaker 2: Again, it was always about getting to do something really cool,
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Speaker 2: which is why it felt reasonable to pay what was
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Speaker 2: to us a lot of money to go do it.
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Speaker 2: I've recently had conversations with two people who have enough
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Speaker 2: Eyewa points to drop pretty much anywhere in the state,
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Speaker 2: and they are both dragging their feet. The thought of
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Speaker 2: not feeling an expensive rare to get tag is scary
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Speaker 2: for a lot of us.
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of Wyoming points for a couple
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Speaker 2: of critters that I'm scared to cash in because of that,
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Speaker 2: but also because I know that they are my only
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Speaker 2: shot at one of those hunts where you can hold
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Speaker 2: out for a good one, and more importantly, are well
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Speaker 2: within reason to block off a couple of weeks to
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Speaker 2: go deep in the back country and live like we
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Speaker 2: all secretly want to.
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Speaker 3: But those Iowa tags.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to get cheaper, and they aren't going
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Speaker 2: to get more plentiful anymore than the fine folks in
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Speaker 2: Wyoming aren't real likely to decide that those of us
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Speaker 2: who live in Michigan or Ohio or Texas or wherever
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Speaker 2: should have more access to meal deer tags at a
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Speaker 2: reasonable cost.
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Speaker 3: This train only moves one way down the tracks.
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Speaker 2: My friends and a whole bunch of hunters are sitting
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Speaker 2: there shoveling coal in the fire to get it to
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Speaker 2: move faster. That bums me out in some ways and
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Speaker 2: scares me in others. It bums me out for reasons
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Speaker 2: I've already stated, but also for the fact that the
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Speaker 2: things that I was lucky enough to do are gone
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Speaker 2: for my kids. But guess what, they're gone for yours too,
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Speaker 2: or they mostly will be in not too much time.
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Speaker 2: What scares me about this trend is that when we
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Speaker 2: are in the thick of it, when it comes to
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Speaker 2: protecting public lands and this kind of conservation issues, and
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Speaker 2: I know people want to make this a political issue,
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Speaker 2: and that's fine, but the truth is that public land,
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Speaker 2: at least to the general population and not the politicians
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Speaker 2: who live and die by their elephant or donkey status,
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Speaker 2: is bipartisan. Our public lands are a gift and if
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Speaker 2: they go away, they will not come back, just like
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Speaker 2: our hunting opportunities this is a fight we need lots
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Speaker 2: of people to care about. But let me throw an
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Speaker 2: example out here that I think is very realistic. The
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Speaker 2: primary reason that I'm interested in public land out west
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Speaker 2: is because of the possibility to hunt or fish on it.
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Speaker 3: You know, mostly hunt.
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Speaker 2: But still, I'm just being honest here, because I'm not
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Speaker 2: driving to Colorado to hike the trails and sample the
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Speaker 2: local greenery. If you get my drift, I drive there
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Speaker 2: to hunt, and you can substitute Utah or New Mexico
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Speaker 2: or Idaho or whatever Western state you want here. In
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Speaker 2: the last ten years, we've watched most Western states tighten
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Speaker 2: their regulations to the point where fewer non residents get
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Speaker 2: to go, and when they do get to go, they
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Speaker 2: pay dearly for it. That's fine, but fast forward that
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Speaker 2: to another ten years or twenty. At some point, the
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Speaker 2: call is going to go out like it did last year,
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Speaker 2: for all of us to call an email and shout
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Speaker 2: from the rooftops that our public lands aren't for sale.
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Speaker 2: But what if only a very very small and well
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Speaker 2: healed percentage of hunters, you know, they've been allowed to
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Speaker 2: hunt in those states. You know, the kind of folks
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Speaker 2: who are far more likely to do outfitted things and
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Speaker 2: you know, bivvy hunt back on public land. What if
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Speaker 2: those are the folks left who get to hunt those states,
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Speaker 2: and at some point we might have an apathetic enough
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Speaker 2: populace that knows without question they won't ever get to
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Speaker 2: go do what you know, a few rich, lucky folks
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Speaker 2: get to do wherever, So why should they care if
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Speaker 2: the public lands get sold off to some developers or
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Speaker 2: their you know, politicians' friends who want to double the
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Speaker 2: size of their ranches. We won't care. And that's going
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Speaker 2: to be a problem. I think that's a very real possibility,
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Speaker 2: and I think it sucks. I hate to say this,
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Speaker 2: but it also might be true that the folks who
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Speaker 2: live east of the Mississippi might look at some of
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Speaker 2: those situations like a good way to stick it to
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Speaker 2: those same hunters who lobbied successfully to punish all of
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Speaker 2: us who don't live in their state. That's a narrow
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Speaker 2: view of a larger problem, because public land is good
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Speaker 2: for a lot more than hunting. But it's not that
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Speaker 2: hard to imagine that scenario playing out. I know that personally,
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Speaker 2: a state that has treated me like a piggy bank,
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Speaker 2: who should bend the knee to folks who live across
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Speaker 2: imaginary lines on a map isn't likely to get a
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Speaker 2: lot of sympathy from me in the future if their
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Speaker 2: way of life is threatened. I hate to say that,
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Speaker 2: because I hope it doesn't come to it, but we
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Speaker 2: need a unified front when it comes to the big issues.
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Speaker 2: Yet we are very comfortable dividing ourselves if it means
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Speaker 2: easier hunting for us as individuals. All of this has
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Speaker 2: my undies and a bunch, but the subtle undercurrent that
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing, specifically with public lands has me worried too.
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Speaker 2: That example I gave of Missouri, which always build their
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Speaker 2: one PM closure as a means to protect nesting hens
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Speaker 2: and keep them from getting harassed too much now seems
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Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of bullshit. After all, do the
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Speaker 2: hens on private land now not need that protection, but
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Speaker 2: the hens on public do. We've seen this lately with
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Speaker 2: trail camera bans on public land and a few other laws.
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Speaker 2: This is going to feel like I'm further sowing division
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Speaker 2: by bringing this up. But hear me out, why would
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Speaker 2: states be quick to further regulate hunters on public land
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Speaker 2: but not on private Maybe it's a reward for paying
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Speaker 2: property taxes. But it's also just back of the Napkin
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Speaker 2: math that says the folks who rely on public land
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Speaker 2: as a whole probably have less money than folks who
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Speaker 2: hunt private. Now, I know that's ignoring a hell of
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Speaker 2: a lot of nuance, but I also know that when
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Speaker 2: you're dealing with issues out west, for example, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: take too many well healed ranchers to usher the laws
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Speaker 2: in their favor. It takes a hell of a lot
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Speaker 2: more public land hunters making a hell of a big
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Speaker 2: stink to sway the folks who make the laws. You
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Speaker 2: can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but it's
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Speaker 2: kind of generally true. So if you're worried about this stuff,
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Speaker 2: you know, becoming a rich man's sport, guess what it is.
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Speaker 2: And this isn't just a non resident thing either, although
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Speaker 2: it's more of a rich man's sport right now than
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Speaker 2: resident hunting is. But give that some time. When there
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Speaker 2: are fewer opportunities to travel and spend money somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: Some of that money is going to stay in state
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Speaker 2: and be used to buy recreational land or lease it
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Speaker 2: or buy a spot at an outfitted hunt. You know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of this money is likely to flow in
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Speaker 2: that direction, and those operations are really good at tying
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Speaker 2: up land and animals that live on that land. All right,
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Speaker 2: So is this a hopeless situation for most of us? Probably?
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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I'm looking at it. I'm looking
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Speaker 2: for whatever I can do to spend some time with
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Speaker 2: my buddies in a new environment, chasing whatever. And I'm
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Speaker 2: looking for ways I can show my kids a world
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Speaker 2: that is rapidly being closed up to them. And you
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Speaker 2: might want to as well. There are a lot of
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Speaker 2: tire kickers in our ranks. But something occurred to me
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Speaker 2: the other day, and I really don't know how to
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Speaker 2: put it, but I realized something. I don't want a
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Speaker 2: hunting population. There's devoid of hunters who dream of hiking
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Speaker 2: into the high country to hunt elk, just like I
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Speaker 2: don't want a hunting population where my Western buddies have
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Speaker 2: zero chance to drive out to the Midwest and November
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Speaker 2: to experience the white tail rut. I just don't want
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Speaker 2: us to solely view this stuff as what is mine
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Speaker 2: will stay mine, and there's no good reason to share
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Speaker 2: with anyone, whether they live down the street or across
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Speaker 2: the country. I think that dreamer spirit is important to
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Speaker 2: what we do, and it's inherent in what we are.
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Speaker 2: I also think the anecdote to this, or at least
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Speaker 2: to us hating everyone and everything that doesn't fit into
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Speaker 2: our worldview, is exposure to new things. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how to describe this, but I can promise you I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have the love for white tails and the outdoors
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Speaker 2: that I have if I would have never been able
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Speaker 2: to hunt turkeys on Union Ridge down in Missouri, or
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Speaker 2: antelope in the Red Hills of Wyoming, or whatever I like.
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Speaker 2: The idea of hunter is getting to live out their
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Speaker 2: elk dreams, or a dude taking his kids to Nebraska
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Speaker 2: to try to shoot their first turkey. Just like I
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Speaker 2: don't care anymore when I see Iowa plates at the
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Speaker 2: landing on a lax lake here in Minnesota, or Illinois
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Speaker 2: plates in the parking lot of the hotel that allows
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Speaker 2: dogs where I like to peasant hunt, and I can
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Speaker 2: see a couple of crates in the back of their
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Speaker 2: vehicle and a pheasants forever stick around the window.
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Speaker 3: Good for them.
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Speaker 2: I hope those folks have fun and catch some smallies
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Speaker 2: or shoot some roosters. Because someday I'm going to Iowa
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Speaker 2: again for deer turkeys. It might even take another swing
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Speaker 2: at Pike County Deer someday, if the mood strikes me
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Speaker 2: and it's still a possible thing to do. Whatever option
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Speaker 2: are left for myself and my buddies and my daughters,
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Speaker 2: they're taking priority for me. Lately, I feel the clock
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Speaker 2: ticking and I'd rather not look back on this time
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Speaker 2: with regret over a trip I didn't make happen, but
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Speaker 2: I could, and I suggest you do the same.
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Speaker 3: And I know when I say that, a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of folks react by thinking, you know, I don't
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Speaker 2: have the money or the time or whatever.
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Speaker 3: And you might be right, but you might not be.
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Speaker 2: And all of the things that could get in the
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Speaker 2: way of a next state over trip, you know, things
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Speaker 2: that for sure are real, and I don't want to
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Speaker 2: minimize them. They won't matter at all if that opportunity
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Speaker 2: just goes away. And a hell of a lot of
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Speaker 2: this stuff is going away. It's just a death by
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Speaker 2: a thousand paper cuts type of thing. It's also true
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Speaker 2: that a lot of the critters you want to haunt
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Speaker 2: are just going to be unavailable forever. I know, I
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Speaker 2: personally won't never hunt any of the sheep, probably mountain goats,
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Speaker 2: And it's seeming less and less likely that I'll ever
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Speaker 2: get to take a stab at moose. Elk are getting
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Speaker 2: harder to come by, and the meal deer and antelope
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Speaker 2: thing isn't looking great either. You might not get to
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Speaker 2: do trips for these critters either. But I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: something that I've learned, and it's that I hear a
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Speaker 2: lot of folks say, why would I travel to kill
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Speaker 2: what I can kill at home? You know, maybe you
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Speaker 2: can't go out west, but there's still some white tails left.
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Speaker 2: But I think that's the wrong way to look at it.
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Speaker 2: Just because you can kill one hundred and twenty incheres
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Speaker 2: at home fairly easy, doesn't mean you're going to go
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Speaker 2: out of state and kill a buck that size in
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Speaker 2: an easy hunt, which is kind of the whole point.
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Speaker 2: Go where you don't know everything about the deer or
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Speaker 2: turkey's or bar or whatever, and then figure it out
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Speaker 2: in a new environment with a couple of buddies before
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Speaker 2: those opportunities are gone, or you hit a certain age
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Speaker 2: where when the phone rings at midnight, you know that
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Speaker 2: it's only bad news and that one of your hunting
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Speaker 2: buddies might be permanently out of the running to ever
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Speaker 2: draw a tag for anything. Ever, again, it comes quick.
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Speaker 2: A lot of folks talk about how the time is
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Speaker 2: just flying by since COVID, and it does feel that way,
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Speaker 2: even if that's all just mass disassociation or something else,
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Speaker 2: it's also true that time is well kind of freaking
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Speaker 2: flying by. You're not getting any younger, tags, aren't getting
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Speaker 2: any cheaper, they aren't making any more land, all of
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Speaker 2: those cliched but true statements. If you have the itch
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Speaker 2: at all to travel, I suggest you use this most
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Speaker 2: worthless month, that is March, to do some digging, find
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Speaker 2: an opportunity that really interests you that you'd be really
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Speaker 2: pissed off if you never did it and it disappeared,
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Speaker 2: and then start to figure out how.
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Speaker 3: To make it happen.
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Speaker 2: That act alone is something that fuels the fire in
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Speaker 2: the off season. But it's also the only way that
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Speaker 2: any of this stuff is actually going to happen for you.
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Speaker 2: This is exactly what happened when I listened to one
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Speaker 2: of my buddies tell me he isn't going to apply
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Speaker 2: for IOA tag this year. He has many reasons, but
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Speaker 2: underneath it all is that fear that the most expensive
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Speaker 2: deer tag in the country will go unfilled unless it's
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Speaker 2: just enough pieces fall into place before he applies. But
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Speaker 2: he's a good deer hunter, and I told him so,
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Speaker 2: and I said, the easiest way to make sure you
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Speaker 2: kill one and don't waste that tag is just by
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Speaker 2: getting the tag. Once you get the email that you've
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Speaker 2: drawn it, the rest is just going to fall into
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Speaker 2: place for most of us. So I beg you listen
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Speaker 2: to my warnings, consider running a little mental inventory on
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Speaker 2: what you want to do in the outdoors, and then
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Speaker 2: get after it before it's too late, and come back
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Speaker 2: next week because I'm going to talk about you know,
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Speaker 2: how difficult white tail hunting really is, but how we
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Speaker 2: can all work to make ourselves a little more likely
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Speaker 2: to find success. Anyway, that's it for this week. I'm
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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for listening and for all your support. I speak for
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Speaker 2: everyone here at Meat Eater when I say that we
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