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The Tide Is Turning — Andrew Bridgen · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon Andrew Bridgen. It's brilliant to to welcome you
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here to UK column and I know you've been really busy lately.
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You've been to Germany to visit Rhino Fulnick and we've got
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quite a few topics to cover today, but let's kick off with
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that one. And how is Rhino doing?
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Well, he's surprisingly full of full of fight and resistance.
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He's building a new legal team or an improved legal team.
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He's got an appeal in lodged against his detention for fraud
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and embezzlement and he's got a complaint going in shortly about
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his treatment for 18 months in Rostov prison.
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The previous one he was previously in where there will
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be allegations that he was deliberately isolated and
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tortured. In my view, the allegations and
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the charges against Reiniformik are spurious.
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I think his human rights have been terribly, terribly treated
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in prison and also the method of his apprehension and detention
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from abducted from Mexico, separated from his wife and put
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on a plane back to Germany. I It's clear that the the the
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German states see Reiner as a very big threat.
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He's a very eloquent and erudite speaker on issues which he takes
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up as a lawyer and clearly the well, who would ever think that
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someone will be cancelled, isolated and ostracised for
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asking questions about the pandemic response and the safety
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and efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines?
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How could that ever happen anywhere?
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Exactly. Well, they're definitely trying
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to silence him, that's for sure. And you know, he's he's he's
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he's been so vocal on it and they're just really trying to
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pit. I mean, how, how, how are these
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these allegations sticking of fraud?
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How how is that happening? How did they have they, have
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they just invented this or is there any basis?
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To it, it's related to measures that that Reiner had agreed with
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his team to mitigate the opportunity for the authorities
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to freeze the banking out and stop the campaign.
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And it amounts to AI think it's a €700,000 loan.
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But he put his house up as security and his house has been
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sold for considerably more money than that.
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And most of the proceeds of that have gone to the people who made
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the allegations against him. So it's it's very difficult to
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see how he should be held. Bear in mind he's already been
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incarcerated for over 2 years now and I don't think the
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authorities have any plans of releasing him anytime soon.
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Really. So he's he's there indefinitely
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now. He's certainly going to be there
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for if he does nothing at all, probably for possibly another
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two years. Gosh.
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And what's I think it's important we don't forget about
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people like like Rhina. Absolutely.
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I mean we have a saying, you know the the old name for a a
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dungeon in a castle was an ubliette and isn't ublier to
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forget. Oh yes, it is actually.
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So they put you in the in the, in the gaol and, and get people
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to forget you. I'm encouraging as many people
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as possible to travel over to see Rhina.
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It's, it's amazing and it's quite a trip to get to, to, to
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Hamburg, a flight to Hamburg and then on a train to Brahmaverde
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with several changes. And we did all that and they
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only allowed one hour of visiting.
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Really. And he's, he's going to be,
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they're going to continue to allow people to see him, aren't
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they? Hopefully.
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They are hopefully, but it's it's only one hour of visiting a
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week. Outrageous, isn't it?
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And and so I can put this in the show note in the not the show
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notes, but in the in the interview notes that you can
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contact him, you can write in letters.
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You know, it would be so nice for him to know that people.
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Will give you a a link so you can know sign up for that people
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can sign up their support. I think we've got over 11,000
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supporters of, of Rhino Formic in the UK now and obviously the
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more we can raise the profile of his case, the, the, the sooner I
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think he'll be able to, to get justice.
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Yeah, we can't, we can't forget him, even though they'd probably
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quite like that, wouldn't they? They'd like to forget that he's
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there because he's, he's obviously talking about things
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they don't want, you know, anyone to know about.
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So that's, that's, that's really good work that you're doing
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there. And I, I think that it, you
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know, if anybody's listening, well, I'm sure they will be, you
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know, we'll put, we'll put all the details in in the interview
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notes. So that kind of brings us on
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because obviously he's, he was, he was talking about the, the
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COVID stuff brings us on really to the, you know, the Dimmock
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inquiry and, and, and what, what's going on there?
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Because we've got, we've got James Bogle, that wonderful
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Kings Council guy who's also talking about assisted dying,
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which is all linked actually, isn't it?
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And you know what, what happened to Derek Dimmock, who, who
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actually died of what they call COVID in 2020, didn't he in
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April at the Royal Trinity Hospice in London and how all of
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that was covered up and, and his family are now really going for
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it. They're they're, they're trying
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to get justice for for Derek. And you know, a lot of has come
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out of this enquiry. So just fill us in on that,
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because when I. I first became aware of the
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Dimmock, Derek Dimmock case in 2023 when I was an MP.
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I was approached by his son Paul Dimmick.
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We had a meeting in Parliament. He explained the situation this
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his father had gone in for respite care with gout and he
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was also suffering with, he'd been suffering with dementia for
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quite a while. And he went in on a Friday
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evening and he was dead by Monday morning.
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And he'd been put on midazolam and morphine as soon as he
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arrived in the in the building. And I've no doubt that they're
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trying to cover it up, but I've no doubt that he was actually
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put on a, on a COVID protocol. And if if there hadn't been the
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level of interest from his family, I have no doubt
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whatsoever in my own mind that COVID-19 would have been put on
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on his death certificate. Yeah, yeah, of course.
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Now I went after the meeting in 2023 with Paul Dimmick.
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I wrote a letter. Paul had already approached his
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own MP who wouldn't get involved over in in Southwark.
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Well his father's former MP. And so I wrote a letter to the
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coroner of Southwark at the time.
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I think it was a man gentleman by the name of Andrew Teague.
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And I also CCD in the chief coroner for England at the time,
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who's no longer in his position and explained that my concern
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was that that one of the major jobs of colonist courts is to do
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a expedite an investigation into a death, especially where
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there's a concern that ongoing procedural problems may be
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contributing to future deaths, current deaths.
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So that's that's the reason why, because I think the the coroner
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had said to the Dimock family that there probably would be an
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inquest, but it might take several years.
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And I was pointing out that obviously a primary duty is to
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prevent ongoing deaths. That needs to be expedited.
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Well, interestingly as a result of the, the letter I wrote to
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that coroner, Mr Teague at the time in Southwark, he authorised
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the the Derek Dimmick inquest and then mysteriously retired
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the day after. And he was, that was unpalatable
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to the establishment. I'd also so I'd CCD in the chief
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Coroner for England out of politeness and I got a letter
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back from him saying that he was reporting me to Parliamentary
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standards for seeking to influence the judge and he tried
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to get me disciplined when all I was doing was reminding the
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coroner of his official duties to the.
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Public yeah, I mean so much will come out of this because, you
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know, even James Vogel has said that, you know, died with COVID
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was a code for unlawful killing and that is absolutely true.
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And, and, and the fact that most of the, you know, the COVID that
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what they call COVID deaths were not, you know, the, the spike in
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the, in the death rate in 2020 was not due to vaccines because
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they hadn't been rolled out and it certainly wasn't due to
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COVID. So what was it due to?
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I'm. Actually clear, yeah, the data
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now the, the, the, the excess deaths in 2020 only were the
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same as the deaths in 2008. And I think they were completely
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accounted for by the the protocols that were used to
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treat COVID-19. So basically, if you were
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suspected of having COVID-19, there were two protocols.
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If you went to hospital, if you if you were strong enough,
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they'd put you on a ventilator. Well, we know that 85% of those
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people died. And were.
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Considered strong enough for ventilation and you were put on
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nice Guideline 163, which was passed by Matt Hancock on the
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4th of April 2020. And that was basically
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palliative care, end of life drugs which no one survived, not
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one person survived. And they're, they're a, they're
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a respiratory inhibitor. Midazolam's a respiratory
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inhibitor. In fact, it's the first drug
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they give on death row as part of the cocktail to chemically
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kill somebody, execute somebody. And when it's mixed with with
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morphine, it's, it's even more respiratory inhibiting.
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I mean, why would you give someone you suspected of having
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a respiratory illness and difficulty breathing a
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respiratory inhibitor? But of course, the symptoms of
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death would be absolutely aligned with putting COVID-19
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down on the death certificate. So that's, that's a bit of a
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shocker. And of course, midazolam was
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taken out of the successor to NG163, which is Ng 191.
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Nice guideline 191, I think it was in November of 2023 and no
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explanation for that. And what I can tell you is that
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every NICE guideline, even the historic ones are all available
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to be viewed on, I think it's the NHS websites and there's one
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missing from there. There's one that you can't find
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where all trace of it has disappeared and that's Ng 163.
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Gosh. Well, it's definitely a A A.
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Bad. It's as if the NHS are ashamed
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of Ng 163 and I, I think they should be.
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And if you take those, you know, 3540 thousand deaths which were
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all put down as, as COVID-19. That makes the excess deaths in
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2020 look rather different, because of course the real
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excess deaths didn't start until the vaccine roll out in 2021,
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and they haven't stopped now. And that's when the real the
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real spike in deaths went up. Yeah.
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Well, it's interesting because in Australia they actually had
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the vaccine before they had much COVID because it was summer down
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there and you do not have a lot of respiratory illness in the
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summer, certainly not in Australia.
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And people are spending a lot more time outdoors.
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And as soon as as soon as the vaccines were rolled out in the
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UK, we saw a 20% increase in emergency calls for ambulances,
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which has never gone back to baseline.
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And they had exactly the same in Australia where where as soon as
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the vaccines were rolled out, the number of emergency calls
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for ambulances rose. And again, it hasn't returned
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back to the baseline level. I know it's, it's, it's
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unbelievable. And again, actually I'm I'm a
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conspiracy theorist, you see. We all are.
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We're all terrible people. It's.
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Crazy. I mean, what, what, what really
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could be the, the biggest take away of all this is that it's
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being exposed. And I think James Vogel's doing
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an amazing job because he he did not.
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Seeing is that the NHS runs on protocols Exactly.
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Yes, it's become a very dictatorial top down system
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where the staff go along with what they're told from above,
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regardless of what's actually they're seeing with their own
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eyes and the patient experience and and it makes the NHS staff
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look extremely compliant. But I think it's very telling,
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Sandy, that the, the one thing they can't make the NHS staff
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compliant with is keep taking the jabs themselves.
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And we're now in a situation where in some hospitals, 90% of
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the doctors and nurses now won't take either the COVID booster
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shot, which I think you'll be on #11 or the, or this year's flu
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jab. Because of course, it's been
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proven now from the Cleveland, OH hospital, which is the, the,
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I think the biggest hospital, most staff in America.
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So I think 52,000 staff. This is very, very good for
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doing trials on, on their staff and they'd be more healthy than
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the normal population because they're all of working age.
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And, and what they found is that last winter's flu vaccine, last
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winter's flu vaccine had a 27% negative efficacy, meaning that
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for everyone, everyone who took the the last winter's flu jab
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were 27% more likely to get flu or, or another respiratory
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illness. I mean, do you think, you know,
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the, the, the people really ultimately responsible for this?
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And as you know, you know, Matt Hancock, you know, Chris Whitty,
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Luke Evans, you know, all these, all these people, even Sir
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Andrew Dillard, all these people that are actually behind the
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push of all this. Will they ever, ever come to,
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to, to justice? Will we ever see them take
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responsibility for the devastation and the death that
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they have brought about? Well, we could do, but that's
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why the work, the excellent work of Doctor Claire Craig and the
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Heart Group, which I've been helping them with when I was in
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Parliament and supporting them now where they've been asking
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for the the record level data held by the government of doses,
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dates and deaths, anonymized data that's already been given
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and shared with Big Pharma. So all the vaccine manufacturers
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have had this data. Doctor Claire Craig's been
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fighting since 2023 to get this anonymized data released.
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It can be in in 10 year cohorts. And so no way of tracing it back
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to individual people who died of allegedly COVID or something
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else. And of course, it was a court
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case last week where the judge decided to side with the
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Information Commissioner and refused the release of the
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anonymized data on the grounds that it could affect the mental
16:26
health of those who are implicated.
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That makes it sound to me as if it's as devastating as we think
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it is. And of course, we've had a third
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of the of the record level data from New Zealand was released by
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the whistleblower Barry Young. He's still facing criminal
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prosecution and a potential seven years in prison for
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releasing that data. And we have seen a form of the
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data from the Czech Republic. I think that was 11,000,011
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million vaccine records anonymized for the Czech
17:05
Republic. And of course, if they were, if
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all the vaccines were safe and effective, they'd all, there
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wouldn't be any difference between the unvaccinated and the
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vaccinated. We're seeing a lot of of studies
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coming out now, especially that the 18,000,000 person vaccine
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trial, well, data from Japan where there's a huge spike in
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mortality in the vaccinated, but not the vaccinated over the
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three months following, following taking the vaccine.
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I mean, in any real world, the data that we've had against the
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vaccines, the COVID-19 vaccines would have had them withdrawn
17:50
years ago. I'm afraid the people in power
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are so committed to this, they, they just can't get out of it
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because stop them now would be and admission and then the data
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would have to come out and people will get held to account.
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And I'll go back to what I was told before I was expelled from
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the Conservative Party for life for my views on the COVID-19
18:14
vaccines. I was told that the government
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or the establishment wanted to cover the vaccine harms and
18:21
excess deaths up for 20 years, long enough for everyone to get
18:25
away and everyone to have moved on.
18:29
And I thought I said that was unacceptable, especially when
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they were seeking to vaccinate small children at the time,
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which I managed to stop the government doing through my
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speeches in the Chamber of the House of Commons.
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And I would remind your viewers that I've got all the evidence
18:47
that historically the the thalidomide scandal that was
18:52
covered up for 11 years, it was removed from the market with
18:55
safety concerns in 1961. It was 1972 before the word
18:59
thalidomide was allowed to be spoken about in the Chamber of
19:03
the House of Commons. So they've done it before.
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And if we don't stop them now, undoubtedly it's going to be
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done again. And that's unacceptable.
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Absolutely. And and looking back, I mean, I
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wonder, I sometimes I wonder how the COVID era will be seen in
19:19
history. Or will they just wipe it, try
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and wipe it as though it never happened?
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Because actually as soon as the Ukraine war started, suddenly
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COVID went away, didn't it? I mean, it just literally
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disappeared. Emergency was was ended at
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midnight on the the 21st of Was it 20?
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Well, it's it was midnight and at six the next morning, the
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Ukraine war had started. Exactly.
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There was no respite from the public, from some sort of level
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of fear and emergency. Yeah, it's it's also very, very
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convenient. It it certainly is.
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And that that kind of brings us on as well to assisted dying as
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well, because it's all linked, because actually I think James
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Bogle, the King's council, who's been.
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Uh, in the, uh, the Dimmick, um, inquiry, he's also, um, looking
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at, at, at, at the assisted dying and he's got a lot to say
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about that as well. Um, now do you see, because
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obviously this at the moment, assisted dying is in at the
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committee stage, I believe in, in the UK Parliament and it's,
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it's ping ponging around now. It's at that sort of stage where
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they ping pong ideas around and there's people that are against
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it. People are, they're looking,
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yeah, they're looking at it. And, and then it will, you know,
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they're, they're hoping to get it to royal assent.
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Now, if it, I mean, actually, he Bogle says it's, it's, it's a
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flawed, completely flawed system, which it is.
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And they've, they've, they've, they've somehow managed to get
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this Henry the Eighth powers, which is really government by
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dictat. And So what we've what we're
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seeing is that they're really trying to force this through.
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And what I'm worried about is what's happening in Canada.
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Could the Ledbetter initiative be going the same way as Canada?
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Because there is a massive sort of, I, well, I think it's a, a,
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you know, euthanasia programme going on in, in Canada where
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it's, it's all down to cost. And they will save so many
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trillions if they encourage people to, to go for what they
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call assisted dying. It's not assisted suicide.
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Why they call it assisted dying and I don't know, but it is
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assisted suicide. Well, through the Lord's
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amendments and the debates around there and barely getting
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through one amendment today, I don't think it's possible for
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this bill to get to a position of royal assent if it gets the
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votes before May. So we have a bit of time left,
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but that doesn't mean we can ease back.
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And what we're learning is, I mean, I think people's view, and
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there are many on the sort of freedom side who will say, yes,
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I, I want the right to take my own life if I'm terminally ill
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and I'm in pain. That isn't where this bill's
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going to end. What's actually going to happen
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is that when an elderly vulnerable person or vulnerable
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person arrives in hospital, they'll be assessed.
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And if the if the state judges that you're no longer worth
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treating or your treatment's too expensive and try and define
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that, then you'll be given a navigator who will navigate you
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through assisted dying. Well, that's not voluntary
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euthanasia. If the state is cutting off your
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medical support and pushing you onto a pathway, that that is is
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not assisted dying, that's coercive dying.
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It's coercive dying, exactly. And and what, and we're always
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worried that what started out as, as a choice will become an
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obligation. Well, I mean, if, if you're
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being refused treatment, what choice have you have you got and
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and what criteria will the state decide whether your life is is
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worth any further treatment or not?
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What will the criteria be? Well, the The thing is that
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they're making playing God and life's getting both ends of the
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spectrum on the way in and on the way out.
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I mean, life is getting very cheap in this country.
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It's being, it's so. Mean and and you're you're
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absolutely right on the way in. We've got all these, you know,
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abortions right up to to turn. I've got an interesting I've got
23:35
an interesting story for you. I'm forgive me, I do have a
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friend who's a Labour MP, a a personal friend.
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How dare you I. Know, but I mean, on a personal
23:45
level, not, not, not politically, obviously he, he's
23:48
a socialist and obviously he's, he's completely misguided, but
23:51
he, he does have a heart. And, and I pulled on those
23:54
strings and, and for, for 15 years I've known him and for
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fourteen of those years, he obviously they were on the
24:02
opposition benches and he always wanted to be on the, on the
24:05
government benches. Well, he's had that for over a
24:07
year and he would be in what he'd Class A very safe Labour
24:11
seat. He's a five term Labour MP.
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And, and I asked him, you know, what's it been like?
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And he said, we're finished. He said the whole Labor Party
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finished. He said, he said he'll
24:21
definitely lose his seat at the next election.
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He said there's a few of the New Labour MPs who think that that
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they can pull it around, he said, but they're deluded, it's
24:33
over. And I said, well look at what
24:35
you've done. You know, you promised you're
24:37
going to cut energy, any bills for the average household by
24:40
£300. You took the winter fuel
24:42
allowance off the old age pensioners, the majority of
24:45
them. And then you put energy bills up
24:46
by 9% last October and they'll go up again.
24:49
And I said, you've taken benefits from the severely
24:52
disabled as if that's going to make them able to work.
24:55
And I said, and of course, don't tell me you voted for that
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appalling piece of legislation to decriminalise abortion up to
25:02
birth, which is murder. That's not beat around the Bush,
25:06
which I don't think 2 or 3% of the population in the UK
25:10
generally would support that. But it flew through Parliament.
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And he actually, worryingly, he said to me, I don't know Andrew.
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I said, what do you mean you don't know?
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He said it's that bad that that I sit in the tea room and when
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the bell rings, the division bell rings, I just go into the
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voting lobby, see where the whips are and go through where
25:29
the government want me to go through the Labour government.
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And he said I don't look at the order paper of what I'm voting
25:35
for because I find that way I can get to sleep rather better.
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Well, that that's the complete abdication of your
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responsibilities of the member of Parliament.
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We're not talking about a new member of Parliament.
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We're talking about the very experienced member of Parliament
25:48
who's served, serving the fifth term.
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Now that's what I'll tell you is that the answer to these
25:55
problems is not going to come from the House of Commons.
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It's not, is it? I mean, I know you're not a
26:00
great fan of the House of Lords, but what I've been comforted by
26:04
a little bit this in the last couple of weeks is there's a lot
26:06
of the Lords against all of this and they are standing up and,
26:11
and, and, and. Do you think that's vested
26:13
interest? I think they may be nearer to it
26:14
than than some of us. What do you think?
26:18
But even in the abortion side as well, there, there, there, there
26:21
are some that are really, really against it so well.
26:23
It's the the assisted dying is a private member, but it's not in
26:26
the Labour manifesto. The Lords can oppose it if they
26:29
were minded to. Yeah, yeah, If they were minded
26:32
to, they it can't be forced through under the Parliament Act
26:35
because it's it's not. So do you think it's because
26:38
they they're, they're, they're so near their maker, they don't
26:40
really want this to go through that?
26:42
Well, I mean, I would, I would hope that they have.
26:44
They've got more skin in the game than most of us.
26:47
Well, they are, yeah. Some of them are quite getting
26:49
on a bit, aren't they? But yes, I mean, it's, it is.
26:54
So do you, do you really think that, that they'll have trouble
26:57
getting this through? That's that's kind of what I I
26:59
want to hear. If, if people like my friend are
27:05
not even looking at what they're voting for, Labour has such a
27:07
majority and clearly it's the intimidation of the whips and I,
27:12
I did say to him, I said look, if you know you're gone at the
27:14
next election, why don't you stand up and tell the truth?
27:17
Yeah. And he said he wasn't brave
27:19
enough. You see, they need, we need more
27:23
people like you, Andrew. That's that's the problem.
27:25
People would actually. I don't.
27:26
Think about that. But we certainly don't need
27:27
people like we've got in the House of Commons.
27:29
Yeah. I mean, what, what I was so
27:31
stabbed obviously through my career and going against it was
27:35
that, you know, you're rewarded in politics not by looking after
27:38
the interests of your constituents, but by looking
27:41
after the interests of your party.
27:43
And seldom they are aligned. And that's where it all goes
27:47
wrong. But that's where the rewards lie
27:50
in being loyal to the party, not to your the people who vote,
27:54
vote you in at elections in your area.
27:57
And time and time again, that's, that's been proven and and
28:02
that's that's a major problem. And I'm afraid, you know, having
28:06
having spent 14 and a bit years in the House of Commons, the
28:12
whole system, Sandy, is rigged against the public.
28:14
It's there to serve the people. It's there to serve.
28:17
And I can assure you it's not, it's not the people it should be
28:19
serving. And the worrying thing is that
28:22
no body in politics in the UK is suggesting radical
28:27
constitutional reform and a different form of governance.
28:30
And I don't think, you know, since the the current system of
28:34
governance has got us into the lamentable situation we are now
28:38
and all the problems the country's got, I can't see that
28:41
the current system can get us out of it.
28:43
So what's the alternative? I mean, what can we do?
28:46
Because obviously the system's rotten to the core has to go.
28:50
So what? What possibly can can You
28:54
obviously need some something there, Otherwise yes.
28:57
What I, what I would suggest is 2 radical reforms and it's no,
29:01
it's no good just reforming around the edges.
29:03
I mean, anyone who's, who's in the political game now with the
29:06
party, I mean effectively you're in the game and, and the public
29:10
can't win. With this game.
29:11
The rules are set up so the public can't win.
29:14
So we need a different game. I would immediately get rid of
29:17
the House of Lords. If I have the power.
29:19
I'd halve the number of MPs, double the pay, no no external
29:24
interest while you're an MP and limit terms.
29:28
Maybe maximum 3 terms in parliament, 3 parliamentary
29:31
terms so there wouldn't be the career politicians.
29:35
I'd make the House of Commons where the place when legislation
29:42
was initiated and then move over to a hybrid system of the Swiss
29:48
direct democracy model where we'd have to have referendums
29:51
every three months and the public would become the second
29:55
chamber and we'd only get the the laws passed that the public
30:00
voted for. But of course, to that you've
30:02
got to have an informed public and and an independent, unbiased
30:07
media to explain the issues so that we can have that public
30:11
debate. And we don't have that in this
30:12
country at the moment. So that would need to be
30:15
established as well. I mean, the fact is you can't
30:19
trust politicians. That's that's that's what I'm
30:21
telling you. Yeah, and.
30:23
The party system is very, very corruptible.
30:28
Yeah, I mean, So what, what is it about the House of Lords that
30:30
you really object to? Because I.
30:33
What I really object to is is the people who've played the
30:35
party game and been loyal to the party over their constituents,
30:40
they are rewarded ultimately by a seat in the House of Lords.
30:43
Oh yeah. So yeah, that's, that's so it.
30:48
It is the den of. So it's the ones that have
30:51
played the game. It's the last read out of
30:53
Complete Scoundrels as far as I'm.
30:55
Concerned. OK, OK, The least.
30:57
Deserving politicians because they can be banked on to do what
31:01
they're told. Oh, right.
31:03
OK. And, and they are the ones who
31:06
who've got the most freedom, they don't face election.
31:08
They've, they've got a job for life and they can speak.
31:13
I mean, you know, we're supposed to speak in the House of Commons
31:14
without fear or favour. Well, I was, you know, they
31:17
tried to bribe me in January 2020 to offer me anything I
31:21
wanted to shut up and then they threaten you.
31:23
So I mean, in the House of Commons there's a lot of fear
31:27
and a lot of favour. I can, I can assure you of that.
31:30
And obviously if you've got career politicians who've played
31:35
the party game, you, you've corrupted the House of Lords as
31:38
well. It isn't independent.
31:41
Yeah, it's clearly not. And yeah, we've we've we've got
31:45
a long way to go before. I mean, I, I just don't, I don't
31:47
know how we get out of this mess because it's chaotic.
31:51
It's this is a this is a global problem with with all, all
31:54
governments. I mean, you look at I mean, I, I
31:57
was looking at Canada this week with their assisted dying bill
32:01
and it's it isn't it isn't a full on Yeah, it's a full on.
32:06
Well, I called it genocide because and, and, and yet
32:10
there's no, there's no, there's no one monitoring it or there's
32:14
no questioning of it. Yeah, no, they're going to be
32:17
offering people who are deemed too expensive in the system.
32:23
They're not going to be offering them palliative care or assisted
32:27
dying. All they're going to be giving
32:29
them is assisted dying. So there is there is no no
32:33
choice. Yeah, I was just.
32:35
Looking at decides that you've you've passed like a like an old
32:38
machine or a or a car. When, when, when they've decided
32:41
that you're too expensive to keep on the road.
32:45
That will be it. Yeah, I mean, I was looking at
32:47
the the this new paper that came out, I think it was last week.
32:51
And I, I did, I did, I did put a piece on the UK column news
32:55
about it. But it, it basically they've
32:58
done this sort of cost analysis and they quite openly, I
33:01
couldn't believe they were openly saying this, You know,
33:03
it, it, it actually said that, that by, by bringing this
33:08
assisted dying bill forward, the MAID system they have there,
33:11
which is the medical assisted dying, that they will, they will
33:14
save one point. I think it was 275 trillion
33:21
Australian dollars. If, if this goes through not it
33:24
wasn't through any kind of improved healthcare.
33:26
It was, it was through dying, through assisted dying.
33:30
And they were quite happy to publish that and they're
33:32
encouraging people. In Canada to people who have who
33:35
are vaccine harmed rather than compensation.
33:38
Harmed. People who are.
33:39
Depressed. Yeah, if you're wealthy enough
33:41
to be able to afford private healthcare, you can get yourself
33:44
out of this system. Yeah, exactly.
33:47
It's a very much out of it a, a, a system for the for the rich to
33:50
be able to live and the people who they feel is are a drain on
33:54
society, people who are depressed, people who've got
33:56
eating disorders, people who are genuinely or, or people who are
34:00
disabled. They're offering that this to
34:02
disabled people and to people that they feel are a drain on
34:07
society. Now where, where is the humanity
34:10
in that? There isn't any.
34:11
And they are playing God and they they should not be doing
34:14
that. I mean, it's just, I can't
34:16
believe this is happening in our lifetime.
34:18
I cannot, honestly. It is shocking.
34:21
It's, it's, it's very much Brave New World.
34:23
It is Logan's Run territory, isn't it?
34:26
Oh. Absolutely.
34:27
It's it's awful. Absolutely awful.
34:31
Now I know we wanted to speak about Ukraine as well because
34:35
you know, obviously you've, you've been dealing with a lot
34:38
of what's going on in Ukraine and, and AI, you know, the, this
34:42
is all linked up with digital ID.
34:44
What do you want to speak about first digital ID and then
34:46
Ukraine, because actually with the new global government
34:49
technology centre in Berlin, which the WEF has sort of
34:53
collaborated with Ukraine. There's, there's something going
34:56
on there with the global Gov tech board that Ukraine and
35:01
Berlin have sort of got together on or the WEF have got together
35:06
on. And they're promoting this sort
35:08
of new kind of AI, which is the agentic AI, which we might talk
35:13
about. But maybe we, we go into what's
35:15
happening in Ukraine first because we had it didn't, wasn't
35:18
there a drone attack yesterday on I think it was there was some
35:23
kind of drone attack on, on Ukraine and it was, it was all
35:28
obviously it was in the news, but we never really know what's
35:31
going on because. There's lots of these drone
35:34
attacks or, or all these dummy drones.
35:37
Exactly. Yeah, drones buzzing airports in
35:42
in Western Europe. I mean, Denmark have been
35:45
subject to it a number of times. And I think Belgium, it's very
35:50
dubious that the Russians, they haven't got the range on those
35:54
drones to, to, to control them all the way across Europe like
35:58
that. And, and, and if your viewers
36:00
think that the Ukrainians haven't shot down enough of
36:03
those drones over Ukrainian territory, held territory to
36:08
patch them up and and send them on their way.
36:11
Russia's winning this war. They're winning it hands down.
36:14
The only thing that can save Zelensky in his corrupt regime
36:18
would be the direct intervention of NATO.
36:20
So why would President Putin, on behalf of the Russian people,
36:25
want to deliberately aggravate the situation with NATO to
36:28
encourage their involvement when that's the only thing that in
36:32
whose interest would would NATO getting involved in the Ukraine
36:35
war be? It certainly wouldn't be in
36:36
Russia's interest. It would only be in the
36:39
Ukrainians interest and and I I think you that tells you where
36:43
these drone attacks are being coordinated from.
36:46
I think they're false flags. It would be insane of the
36:50
Russians to try and do any of this.
36:54
I mean, you know, if we actually look at the, the background to
36:57
the war in 1991, when when the Soviet Union collapsed finally
37:06
and the Warsaw Pact, I mean, we did a deal W did a deal with the
37:12
then Soviet Union, soon to become Russia, the Russian
37:15
Federation, that in return for releasing East Germany, for
37:22
rejoining with, with West Germany, that we wouldn't move
37:27
NATO or the European Union one inch further east.
37:29
And, and we've broken that agreement repeatedly.
37:35
We've moved NATO and the EUA 1000 miles nearer to Moscow.
37:40
We've been told by President Putin for two decades that their
37:45
red line is Ukraine. They're not going to have
37:47
Ukraine in the EU and in NATO and NATO missiles on the
37:52
Ukrainian Russian border. That can be in Moscow in 20
37:54
minutes. And if we cast our minds back,
37:58
we'll have to do it through history because we weren't
37:59
around. But I mean, the Cuban missile
38:01
crisis, America took great exception to the then Soviet
38:06
Union placing Soviet missiles in Cuba 90 miles off the Florida
38:13
coast and it nearly led to a third World War.
38:16
Well, we're in the same situation with reverse.
38:19
And the Russians have warned us for 20 years that that was going
38:23
to be unacceptable. And that's the situation.
38:27
But I mean, we've, we've destabilised Ukraine.
38:30
We, you know, the the West engineered a coup in 2014,
38:35
installed a pro western government and you know, the
38:39
victimisation of Russian speaking and ethnic Russians in
38:43
the Donbass has been horrific. There's there's plenty of
38:49
material out there of the leadership we installed in
38:53
Ukraine in 2014 saying how they were going to crush their ethnic
38:56
Russians, they banned the Russian language from being
38:59
printed newspapers and they were going to really make them into
39:04
second class citizens in their own country.
39:08
Absolutely. I mean, Russia is a country.
39:12
It's the largest country in the world.
39:14
It only has a population of 145,000,000.
39:17
We keep told repeatedly that it's it's going to invade Europe
39:21
and and attack NATO. NATO has a combined population
39:26
of 975,000,000. It would be suicide for the
39:30
Russians to attack NATO. But you see, there's a lot of
39:36
corporate power in, in, in, in the NATO countries.
39:40
Your black rocks, vanguards and state streets.
39:43
Yeah, there are 7, somewhere between 75 and $90 trillion of
39:49
identified natural resources within the Russian borders.
39:53
And these companies have no access to those resources and
39:57
with only 145,000,000. So that's basically a bit more
40:01
than twice, well, about twice the UK population in the whole
40:06
of Russia. I can think of lots of reasons
40:10
why Russia wouldn't want to have a war with with us, with the
40:14
West and NATO, that they can't win.
40:16
But I can think of lots of reasons why the NATO forces
40:20
would be encouraged by vested interests to try and take over
40:25
Russia. And of course, we've had the EU
40:27
declaring that Russia's far too big and it's got to lose in
40:30
Ukraine so it can be broken up. That's is it to Maria Kaja, the
40:37
the deputy, the vice president of the European Union has said
40:41
that repeatedly. And I'm clear that she doesn't
40:44
think that the EU's got too big and needs to be broken up, just
40:47
that Russia's too big and they want to organise it and then
40:50
absorb it as they did with Yugoslavia.
40:53
We cast our mind back to that. You know, Yugoslavia was was
40:57
destabilised from outside Serbia, was bombed for 70 odd
41:01
days by NATO with no UN mandate and then the EU came in and and
41:07
gobbled up the bits of you of the former Yugoslavi it wanted
41:11
and expanded. And whereas, you know,
41:13
Yugoslavia was actually a competitor organisation to the
41:17
European Union. Exactly.
41:20
And and obviously there's a lot of incentives that that drive
41:23
that war, isn't there? Sort of if you think about the,
41:25
the, the, the arms, the arms dealers that are making Fort
41:29
Lockheed Martin, all of those big arms people are on the
41:33
stocks. The stocks are going up and up
41:34
and up and, you know, we, we, yeah.
41:37
And the, the aid that, that the, the West are giving them that
41:41
they, they're putting into all sorts of corrupt ventures.
41:43
When will that gravy train stop? Because we're financing.
41:47
Well, there's a big Hoo ha in Ukraine this week where I think
41:50
2 ministers were forced out. I think yesterday or the day
41:53
before, the justice minister and the energy minister were
41:57
hundreds of millions and, and their houses were raided and
42:00
they'd got duffel bags full of EUR and and dollars in their
42:07
houses. Well, we know that, you know,
42:10
the claims of what President Trump claims that America has
42:15
already supplied to Ukraine and the Ukrainians saying they've
42:18
actually received about half of it.
42:19
I mean, it has all the appearance of a massive money
42:23
laundering scam. So I mean, that will continue as
42:26
long as the war continues where, where we, we send money with no
42:30
accountability and, and it, and it just disappears into into
42:34
black holes. I mean, I've also we should be
42:36
aware that a lot of personal weapons have been donated in
42:41
kind. So you've got you've got, you've
42:43
got weapons and systems have been sent to Ukraine.
42:49
I'm told that half of the weapons that have been donated
42:53
sort of a personal weapons, rifles, pistols, they've been
42:57
sold for cash onto the black market, onto the illegal arms
43:00
market. They've, they've, they've
43:02
dropped the price of illegal weapons around the world by
43:04
half. That's, that's those weapons
43:08
being sold for cash on the black market.
43:10
Is that in the U KS interest that it's easier for terrorists
43:14
to get hold of illegal weapons. And I couldn't help but notice
43:19
that the Hamas attack, you know, whatever the grounds of that
43:22
attack on, on the 7th of October in Israel, those weapons were
43:29
Western weapons mostly, whereas previously they, they always had
43:32
AK-40 sevens or 70 fours. I mean, I believe those weapons
43:36
that Hamas had had come from weapons that were donated
43:39
originally to the Ukraine. Yeah, yeah.
43:43
I mean, it's it, it, I mean, it, it, it, it was a, it is a proxy
43:47
war. But is it becoming something
43:49
else now? I mean what?
43:50
What is happening there? Well, they've got, I think the
43:53
the globalists, the World Economic Forum, if you read
43:56
Klaus Schwab's book, he's he's claiming that world population
44:00
will be reduced by 2050 to under a billion.
44:03
Yeah. So about a 7th of what we are
44:05
now, maybe more than that. And it's through.
44:08
He claims it will be through repeated pandemics, walls and
44:14
famine. And if you look at our so called
44:17
leaders around the world, they're in lockstep on all of
44:19
those issues, signing us up to the The Who take control of our
44:25
of every aspect of our lives in the event of another pandemic.
44:29
And there's obviously now serious doubts about whether the
44:32
COVID-19 would have justified anything like a worldwide
44:35
shutdown. Farmers under attack and
44:40
production of food around the world and various so called
44:45
philanthropists are producing lamp produced meat of dubious
44:49
quality which they want to push us this on to.
44:53
And of course the walls are being propagated and encouraged
44:57
around around the world. And let's not beat around the
45:03
Bush. You know, when we send Storm
45:07
Shadow missiles to Ukraine, we didn't train them to fire them
45:11
and aim them. Those are those missiles are
45:14
being fired, managed by UK. We call them technicians.
45:21
But I there were people who would have been in our military
45:23
not long ago. So we are firing our missiles,
45:28
UK missiles, out of Ukraine, at Russian cities.
45:32
The French are doing the same with their scalps and the
45:34
Americans have been doing the same with their attack on
45:36
missiles. If the Russians had got a treaty
45:41
supporting Scotland, and they were the Russians were in
45:44
Scotland firing missiles into UK into English cities, would we be
45:50
at war with Russia? Exactly.
45:54
And would the Americans stand that if it was over the Mexican
45:57
border or the Canadian border? I don't think so, Absolutely,
46:02
yeah. I mean, I think we have to see
46:03
the situation where it is and it's it's certainly not the
46:06
situation that the BBC and our mainstream media are are
46:10
painting. And I don't know how they're
46:11
going to get themselves out of this corner because they've
46:13
they've told the British public for years that Ukraine are
46:16
winning. Exactly.
46:18
But they're going backwards very fast.
46:19
And the, the casualties, I mean, we have sacrificed, the West has
46:23
sacrificed Ukraine on the altar of our own foreign policy
46:27
decisions and trying to weaken Russia.
46:29
And I think quite honestly, what we've done is we've weakened
46:31
ourselves. We've weakened ourselves, we've
46:34
hollowed out our own militaries and we've strengthened Russia.
46:39
And we, and we've very, very few Ukrainians left.
46:42
Yeah, and so much money has poured into Ukraine and, and,
46:47
and we, we have we can't even sustain our own, you know, we've
46:51
got a cost of living crisis. And and this is, you know, we
46:54
wouldn't need to to take money away from from palliative care
46:59
if if we weren't, you know, involved in all that.
47:02
And and it's almost like problem reaction solution.
47:04
They can bring in assisted dining if it.
47:06
Does sort out many things. If it sorts out everything for
47:08
them. If they.
47:09
Get us into a big war. I mean, you've got Macron, who's
47:12
deeply unpopular in France. He doesn't want any elections.
47:16
Mertz in in Germany, Chancellor Mitch, he's actually fairly
47:20
newly elected, but his popularity has plummeted
47:22
already. So in the local elections Afd
47:26
went up 300% and his vote crashed.
47:27
He doesn't want any elections. Clearly with Starmer, he's the
47:30
most unpopular Prime Minister we've ever had and his own MPs
47:35
know that they're all going to lose their seats, so they don't
47:37
want any any elections. If they can get us into a big
47:41
war, they can enact Tony Blair's Civil Contingencies Act.
47:45
That will give the government effectively martial law powers.
47:49
People can be detained basically without trial.
47:53
They can seize property, They can cancel elections.
47:57
And of course that will then give them the perfect excuse to
48:00
ram through ID cards because we always have ID cards during
48:04
times of war. And of course, these will have
48:06
to be digital Idi mean the war is a a big war is a solution to
48:12
a lot of their problems. It will only compound the
48:15
problems of the people because ultimately wars feed the rich
48:19
and bury the poor. And we've seen it time and time
48:23
again. And of course, with the
48:25
compliant mainstream media, the propaganda is is is unending.
48:31
But I mean, how do they explain that?
48:32
They've been telling us for years that all we need to do is
48:34
send more weapons and Ukraine are winning and and now they're
48:39
losing badly. Badly.
48:41
Well, hopefully, you know, the, the BBC are in trouble at the
48:44
moment, aren't they, with, with misinformation.
48:49
So hopefully, I mean, I, yeah, I am seeing this, this whole
48:52
decline in mainstream media because, you know, people, that
48:55
people are done with them. You know, they, they, they are
48:58
pushing out so much, so much propaganda in lies and people
49:02
are waking up. And their best propaganda is
49:04
always for themselves, Sandy. I'll notice that.
49:06
Yeah. I mean, they'll they're very
49:07
good at propaganda, but their best propaganda is always for
49:10
for defending themselves. And when they're coming out
49:13
saying, well, the BBC, but they're they're the most
49:16
respected and most loved of the mainstream media around the
49:19
world. I mean that bar isn't very high
49:22
nowadays, is it? Absolutely.
49:23
It's not a high. Bar is it?
49:25
No, no, they're being, they're being suddenly the mask is, you
49:28
know, the mask is off and they're being revealed to be the
49:31
liars and cheats that they've always been.
49:34
Well, I I. Remember in in the first ever
49:37
debate, I got the first ever debate in the world in any
49:40
parliament on excess deaths and that was in November 23, October
49:47
23. And of course the BBC put
49:49
inappropriate subtitles for the first time ever under a
49:52
parliamentary speech. They put 9 subtitles basically
49:56
saying things like the MMR vaccine for children is
49:59
completely safe and effective and all this business, which I
50:03
wasn't talking about that, but they'd obviously decided what
50:05
their and I made a complaint to Ofcom which was upheld and the
50:09
BBC had to issue me with the nearest thing you could get to
50:12
an apology that wasn't quite an apology, saying that they'd made
50:15
a mistake because it's their job to to give context.
50:21
Well, they've never done that ever before to anyone's
50:24
parliamentary speech in history, and they've never done it since.
50:28
But they did do it to the first ever speech in parliament, any
50:32
parliament in the world, about asking questions about the
50:35
excess deaths we were suffering. Yeah.
50:38
And do you, I mean, obviously, do you, do you think Trump will
50:40
go through with this and will, will it bring them down?
50:42
You know, that's what I want to know.
50:44
I don't know when litigation takes a long time.
50:47
He's got the resources. Yeah, well, he he he's got them
50:50
on the run. And why wouldn't it?
50:52
I think it, it appeals to him. I mean, if I were him, I'd have
50:55
it heard. If he can.
50:56
In America. Not.
50:57
Not in the UK, yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
51:00
And, and, and a massive claim, but of course it'll only be
51:03
borne by, by the licence fee payer or the government.
51:07
So it, I think 5 billion is, is a rather large sum of damages.
51:15
But I think symbolically I think he should, I think he should.
51:18
I think it'll teach the BBC a lesson, maybe their last lesson
51:24
that they need to learn. They need to go to a
51:26
subscription model. I told them that in 2014 to
51:29
charge renewal. I told them that that the BBC
51:33
licence fee would be made redundant through technology and
51:37
changing viewing habits and that they were hanging on to, it
51:42
wasn't a life jacket for them to keep them afloat.
51:44
It was a a millstone that would drag them down in the end.
51:47
And I think the millions of people have cancelled over the
51:49
last few weeks, it would have shaken the BBC to its very core.
51:54
And that's why Tim Davies had to go and the head of news has had
51:58
to go. But we've never had actually the
52:02
people responsible for making the decisions.
52:04
Well, who was the editor? Was it?
52:06
It wasn't someone on YTS work that was doing the editing of
52:09
the President of the United States speech.
52:12
Someone made that editorial decision, didn't they, to make
52:16
it look like he was inciting violence.
52:18
Exactly, exactly. And, and love him or hate him,
52:21
he's, he's right to, to, to actually challenge that because
52:25
that that's happening across the board.
52:27
But he's got the, the powers to be able to do something about it
52:30
well. Where is?
52:31
Where was Marianas Spring and BBC?
52:34
Verify when you needed them. Exactly where were they?
52:39
Yes, exactly, because it's very one sided, isn't it?
52:43
Yeah, in Mariana Spring, it makes me sound like.
52:45
Is her sister Mariana Trench? I don't know.
52:49
That's very strange. Strange lady.
52:52
Very strange lady. Yeah, she's she is.
52:55
Anyway, so let's go back to digital ID, sort of where are we
53:00
there at the moment? I mean, you've obviously been on
53:03
a few. I've seen you on a few few.
53:06
Campaigns. I've spoken in London, I've
53:08
spoken in Birmingham, spoken in Cardiff.
53:10
I think we're back down in London again in a few weeks
53:12
time. Well, the threat of digital ID,
53:16
Well, I think there are two existential threats to us at the
53:18
moment. I think it's digital ID and the
53:23
threat of being dragged into a major war which the government
53:26
will take dictatorial powers. If we can avoid both of those, I
53:29
think the truth's going to come out on pretty much everything
53:32
and, and bring the House of Cards down.
53:34
But obviously the other side know this as well.
53:35
So they're, they're taking the steps.
53:38
But digital ID is a trap and it's always better to avoid a
53:43
trap than try and get out of the trap once we're in it.
53:46
That's a better strategy. AI says that there isn't really
53:50
any way out of digital ID once we're in it because the controls
53:54
are are such that we would never dare to challenge it to be able
53:58
to get out. And, and I think if, if we say
54:02
yes to digital ID, my fear is you'll never be able to say no
54:06
to the government ever again because they will have such
54:08
power over every aspect of our lives.
54:10
It will be linked to a central bank digital currency and
54:14
purchases. It'll be linked to a, a carbon
54:18
allowance and, and we know what happened in Canada during the,
54:23
the, the truckers protest, bank accounts were were frozen.
54:28
And, and people, you know, do you trust this government enough
54:34
to give them that power every, every aspect of your life?
54:38
And it's not just this government, because we don't
54:40
know what governments are going to come in the future.
54:42
So even if you trusted this government, you're doing it in
54:45
perpetuity on governments. You don't ever know.
54:47
And you'll be giving away your freedoms or our freedoms
54:51
currently, our children, our grandchildren.
54:54
We'll be giving away the freedoms of generations of our
54:56
nation yet unborn. And and that's not ours to give
55:01
away, Sandy. So not in my name.
55:02
I will not be taking digital Idi will be opposing it.
55:06
And I'll speaking out as vocally as I can as often as I can to
55:10
get other people to oppose it. And if that means life has to
55:13
become a bit uncomfortable, well, it's going to be
55:16
preferable to the alternative because it's going to become
55:19
very unbearable as far as I'm concerned, if we allow this
55:23
tyranny to go ahead. So really the infrastructure for
55:26
it all is there anyway, isn't it?
55:28
They've, they've put all the infrastructure there.
55:30
So all they need is the actual, you know, data, the actual card
55:34
that links everything together. Together.
55:36
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. And you know, I, I've been
55:39
looking and I'm really, really sort of concerned about this new
55:42
global government technology centre in, in in Berlin that's
55:46
kind of collaborated with Ukraine to make.
55:50
They want, they want to accelerate it into a government
55:53
digital transformation, which is obviously what we're talking
55:56
about is bringing it all into one place.
55:58
Now, what they've, what they've, what they've put forward is
56:02
something called a gentic AI where the age, your, the humans
56:06
give over agency to the, the AI. Now how this, how they're going
56:11
to do this, but they're trying to bring this into the UK
56:13
through Microsoft. And what they're doing is, is,
56:16
is they're, they're, they're trying to install it into the,
56:19
you know, civil service, the education system, the NHS, you
56:22
know, health and social care, policing and crime as well.
56:25
And So what, what it does is, is that where it used to be a
56:29
service, AI was a service to all those agencies.
56:33
Now the AI, it's reverse. The AI is in charge.
56:37
Now that means getting rid of the people and it, and, and
56:40
supplanting it with the AI. Now they're trying to bring this
56:43
in under this global tech board that they've created between
56:47
Berlin and Ukraine. And it, they, they're calling it
56:50
the agentic state. Now, when I was doing a lot of
56:54
research into this, I googled A genetic state and that term had
56:58
been used before. It was actually Stanley Milgram.
57:02
Do you remember the guy who who who did those experiments in the
57:06
1960s? Where?
57:07
They where they shocked people. They shocked people.
57:10
Yeah, well, people thought they were electrocuted.
57:12
Exactly. Exactly.
57:14
And they it was all a setup. It was an experiment because he
57:17
was a psychologist, Milgram, and he wanted to see how far people
57:21
would give over their agency to somebody in authority.
57:25
And it was, he called it the agentic state.
57:28
And this is what they've actually called their, their
57:29
paper the agentic state. And I that's no coincidence
57:33
because they know that what they're doing is that they're,
57:36
they're, they're convincing people to give over their agency
57:40
to an authority figure, which seems to be the AI.
57:44
And that's really worrying. I mean.
57:48
The fact that we have had deliberately incompetent
57:51
governments in the UK, the Conservatives were deliberately
57:55
incompetent. Labour has done it in record
57:59
time. And I'm afraid if if reform form
58:02
a government sometime in the future, if we have any future
58:05
elections of the sort we've seen in the past, they will
58:09
disappoint exactly in the same way.
58:12
And it's all preparing the public for We've tried all the
58:15
governments. Why not have a government of AI?
58:18
But of course, you see governments have to be corrupted
58:21
and bribed and coerced and blackmailed to get them to do
58:25
what the globalists want. Whereas if you programme the AI
58:28
within your parameters, it's very, very straightforward.
58:31
It's never going to let you down.
58:32
So it is much more straightforward that for them to
58:34
do it through AI. And to get to that stage where
58:37
you would hand over that authority for all your life and
58:40
all governance to AI, you've got to have been deliberately let
58:43
down by all the alternatives and.
58:46
And when will, I mean, if they're planning to do this,
58:49
which they are, because I know that that Microsoft have got
58:52
this plan to introduce this surgentic AI into, into us, our,
58:57
our, our government structures. So when will the people realise
59:01
that actually this is destroying them, you know?
59:04
Instead of AI working for us to make our lives better, we'll be
59:07
working for the AI and well, actually who we're working for.
59:11
Is that the person who's programmed and put the
59:14
parameters in for the AI? And the AI is only going to be
59:19
as good as the people who who who programmed it up and set its
59:23
limits. Yeah.
59:24
So do you think people will sort of suddenly they'll have a light
59:28
bulb moment and they won't they won't just comply and think, oh,
59:32
this is really cool. You know, we don't have to do so
59:34
much work. The AI can do it and we we can
59:37
not do so. But then they're doing
59:39
themselves out of work jobs. Everything will go because it
59:42
will be supplanted by the AI. Do you think they they will see
59:45
that? Because when I was in super
59:47
supermarkets and they, they brought in all the automated
59:50
tills, I was saying to the, to the humans, you know, you,
59:54
you're going, they were saying, oh, go, go and use the automated
59:57
ones. I was saying, but that's doing
59:59
you out of a job and they didn't get it.
1:00:01
Will they get it? This is what I want to know.
1:00:04
Well, they will, they will, but whether it'll be too, too late
1:00:08
at the time. And, and obviously, I mean, you
1:00:10
know, robotics and AI are, are a huge threat, see humanity, but
1:00:15
they're also potentially a huge opportunity.
1:00:18
And if they were managed for the benefit of the people, not just
1:00:21
a few corporations who hold that technology, I mean, you could
1:00:24
see yourself, we could see that we could move with the right
1:00:28
management of that into a situation where people could
1:00:30
work for be far more productive and, and work far fewer hours.
1:00:36
And, you know, we could maybe get to the situation where in a,
1:00:40
in a family unit, 1 of the one of the parents could actually
1:00:43
stop at home and look after the children.
1:00:45
But that. Would be.
1:00:46
Great. They certainly don't want us
1:00:47
doing any of that. And that is where we could be
1:00:50
aspiring with this technology. But that only works if the
1:00:53
benefits are shared fairly among society.
1:00:56
And I I put it to you that most of the scientific research on
1:01:00
these projects originally would have been done in state
1:01:03
sponsored universities around the world.
1:01:06
But I've no doubt that the the corporatists will want to have
1:01:10
all the benefits for them, not not for the people.
1:01:14
And hence them regarding those who will be put out of work.
1:01:18
They feel by this technology that they're the the useless
1:01:21
eaters. And then we're getting back to
1:01:24
assisted dying again, aren't we? Yeah, and the Deagle forecasts,
1:01:27
which seem to be well. The thing is, without, without,
1:01:30
without digital ID, none of these plans can come to
1:01:33
fruition. The Agenda 2030, which you
1:01:35
eloquently talk about so often, which is pushed by the the World
1:01:40
Economic Forum of the United Nations who are completely
1:01:42
compliant and in their pocket, none of those plans can be
1:01:47
fulfilled unless there is digital ID.
1:01:50
And that's why we're seeing a massive lockstep ear movement of
1:01:55
governments around the world to push us into digital ID.
1:01:59
And we know from experience that whenever, whenever our
1:02:04
governments around the world are in lockstep, it's never good for
1:02:07
the people sounding. Exactly.
1:02:09
And do you, do you, do you feel that?
1:02:10
I mean, we'll, we'll, we'll start to wind up now because
1:02:13
we've had a really good conversation.
1:02:14
But what are your last sort of thoughts on all of this?
1:02:19
I mean, are we, do you think that, that, I mean, I, I've been
1:02:23
looking at things like the data centres.
1:02:25
There's big pushback on planning for these data centres because
1:02:28
nothing can work without them. So.
1:02:31
And we're paying forward and they're going to take and
1:02:33
they're going to, they're going to take massive 20 percent, 25%
1:02:37
extra of the U KS electricity, which we don't have any surplus
1:02:40
of. So we'd be suffering blackouts
1:02:42
to keep the data centres going, which are there to monitor our
1:02:45
data. And we've paid for them.
1:02:49
When the people realise that we're paying for and through our
1:02:53
efforts, we're constructing our own digital prism.
1:02:57
The moment people say I don't want to play this game anymore,
1:03:01
it's, it's, it's all over. It's all over.
1:03:05
I think we're in a, we're in an existential fight for the future
1:03:08
of humanity. Enough people have woken up that
1:03:12
that's another reason why they want the digital ID, because too
1:03:14
many people have woken up that we need to be controlled.
1:03:17
We need to be controlled because we shouldn't be able to have
1:03:19
this conversation Sunday. We might influence, but we're
1:03:23
spreading disinformation all the time.
1:03:27
You know, I mean, I just posted a a post, a little clip.
1:03:33
I mean a shocking video clip by that insane Yuval Harari.
1:03:42
The Oh God. And he says that we're, you
1:03:45
know, by 20-30, we're all going to be aware.
1:03:47
We in return for 24 hour health monitoring inside our bodies,
1:03:53
we'll, we'll all have technology inside us which we're monitoring
1:03:57
and telling. So, you know, the moment you,
1:04:01
you get cancer, someone's going to know about it in an office.
1:04:03
And the moment you catch flu, we'll know about it.
1:04:07
And, and people, he said that will be be willing to have that
1:04:10
intrusion in their bodies for that knowledge that someone's
1:04:12
monitoring their health all the time.
1:04:14
But he also said that then when you see an image of your leader,
1:04:19
they'll know if your blood pressure goes up or if you have
1:04:21
feelings of anger. And if you do, that will be the
1:04:25
end of you. I mean, these people are clearly
1:04:27
insane. They are insane, clinically
1:04:29
insane. Absolutely.
1:04:30
We need to get rid of them. And also they're, they're trying
1:04:33
to play God. I mean, that Noah, Yuval, Yuval
1:04:36
Noah Harari, whatever his name is, he's, you know, he's a, he's
1:04:39
a, an advisor to Klaus Schwab. And he said that the future is
1:04:44
non biological. He he's he envisions, envisions
1:04:48
a non biological future. So that means everything must go
1:04:52
that's biological because he wants an artificial future.
1:04:55
So they. They are the gods.
1:04:57
That's what they see themselves. Yeah.
1:04:59
Malthusian eugenicists. Absolutely.
1:05:01
Yeah, if they wanted to lead the way and reduce the population by
1:05:05
popping themselves off, I I think we'd start feeling a lot
1:05:08
more confident about the future, quite honestly.
1:05:10
Yeah, Yeah. Well, that's a brilliant
1:05:12
conversation. Thank you so much, Andrew.
1:05:15
It's been an absolute pleasure to have you here today and.
1:05:18
What a time to be alive, Sandy. What a time to be alive.
1:05:21
I mean, things are happening. Who thought we'd ever see any of
1:05:24
this? But I I'm confident that we can
1:05:26
get through this. And I think won't bless you.
1:05:28
We will. We will then be able to build a
1:05:30
better society than we've had before.
1:05:33
And let's face it, that won't be difficult, will it?
1:05:36
Well, that's down to, you know, if people like you, I mean you,
1:05:40
I think you ought to be in charge of the whole thing when
1:05:43
we when it all breaks down, because you've, you've certainly
1:05:46
been an absolute warrior in this whole thing.
1:05:49
And you stood up for, for your, you know, your conscience, your
1:05:52
principles. And you, you know, you've,
1:05:54
you've, you've really, you've really influenced so many people
1:05:58
to wake up and I think you've done a brilliant job.
1:06:01
And thank you so much for for everything you've done.
1:06:04
Amazing. Thank you for inviting me on
1:06:06
Sunday and I look forward to speaking to you again in the
1:06:08
very near future. Bless you.
1:06:09
Thanks SO. Much.
1:06:10
See you before Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas indeed.
1:06:14
We. Can still say that as well.
1:06:15
Yes, we can.