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The Kenny Report | 7 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skoing New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on this the second anniversary of
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  Speaker 3: the October the seventh atrocities in southern Israel. Tonight I'll
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  Speaker 3: share my thoughts and analysis on why too many people
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, including our own government, refuse to learn the
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  Speaker 3: lessons from this Islamist extremist assault on Israel. I'll cross
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  Speaker 3: to Israel to speak with the mother of a missing
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  Speaker 3: hostage two years on, and I'll get the latest on
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  Speaker 3: the peace process from Israel's deputy Foreign Minister. I'll also
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  Speaker 3: look at the disgusting pro humas propaganda in Australia today
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  Speaker 3: and get a response from Jewish leader Alex Rivchin. Parliament
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  Speaker 3: is back today too, and the government is under fire
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  Speaker 3: over the Triple Zero shambles. Julian Lisa joins me. Also
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  Speaker 3: Sophie Ellsworth from Manchester, still reeling from that terror attack
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  Speaker 3: at the synagogue line last week, and we'll have the
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  Speaker 3: panel of course with Susi O'Brien and Stephen Sanna Tiempo.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get started.
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  Speaker 3: There are so many stories of pain and suffering, and
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  Speaker 3: of brutality and horror, and of survival and hope from
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  Speaker 3: October seventh, twenty twenty three. For me, the images of
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  Speaker 3: murder and mutilation, of cold hearted, even gleeful slaughter of innocence,
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  Speaker 3: the terror of the victims, well, I'll never be able
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  Speaker 3: to erase them from my mind. I've seen too much
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  Speaker 3: of this, so to think of the scars on those
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  Speaker 3: who have lived through it. The survivors, well, I can't
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  Speaker 3: conceive of the burden they carry. But the life changing
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  Speaker 3: realization for me is not so much the grotesque barbarity
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  Speaker 3: and the death cult mentality of this Islamist terrorism. I've
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  Speaker 3: got a good understanding of that dismal ideology through years
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  Speaker 3: in foreign affairs. I went to Bali after the bombings
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  Speaker 3: of two thousand and two, and after the second Bali
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  Speaker 3: bombing in two thousand and five. I headed to Jakarta
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  Speaker 3: after the Australian embassy bombing in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran, to Saudi Arabia, Jordan,
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  Speaker 3: the Emirates, Kuwait, and Israel, always speaking to experts Muslim
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  Speaker 3: and non Muslim to get briefings about this scourge. Then
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  Speaker 3: I was one of the last to leave the Limb
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  Speaker 3: cafe in Martin Place before that horror unfolded. So I
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  Speaker 3: know the threat that Islamist extremism poses, and I think
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  Speaker 3: way too many people in the West don't comprehend it.
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  Speaker 3: And I get that it's not a mindset that we
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  Speaker 3: can identify with easily.
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  Speaker 2: We value life above all else.
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  Speaker 3: The Islamist extremist cult glorifies and martyrdom. We've seen parents
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  Speaker 3: publicly celebrate the so called martyrdom of their children as
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  Speaker 3: suicide bombers.
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  Speaker 2: Just contemplate that for a moment.
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  Speaker 3: But since October the seventh, I've been staggered by how
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  Speaker 3: many in the West, in politics, in public debate, and
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  Speaker 3: in the media have overlooked this reality and adopted an
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  Speaker 3: entirely political position, an anti Israel position, And therefore they've
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  Speaker 3: almost excused the atrocities of October the seventh, or at
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  Speaker 3: least portrayed them as part of a political struggle for
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian statehood. They've missed the point, and they've twisted reality
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  Speaker 3: in order to suit their agenda.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as if we didn't know this would happen.
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  Speaker 3: In my first program after the October the seventh atrocities,
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  Speaker 3: just two days later, I said that you wait, soon
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  Speaker 3: Israel will get more criticism than Hummus. We'd seen this
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  Speaker 3: play out many times before. Terror and missile attacks against
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  Speaker 3: Israel go largely unreported, but as soon as Israel responds,
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  Speaker 3: there's news and condemnation. But the scale of this deception
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  Speaker 3: after October seventh has been shocking. It's not just a
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  Speaker 3: hateful radical fringe. It's swept over the public, broadcasters, the
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  Speaker 3: other left of center media, and the left of center
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  Speaker 3: of politics. This irrational and wrong headed interpretation pretending that
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  Speaker 3: Humas wants a two state solution when they're very charter
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  Speaker 3: and all their actions show that they want the elimination
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  Speaker 3: of Israel and the killing of Jews. Well, this has
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  Speaker 3: become so common, this misinterpretation, that our own government has
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  Speaker 3: joined others thinking they can appease extremists by taking the
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  Speaker 3: offensive and the absurd and counterproductive step of recognizing a
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian state that does not exist, has never existed and
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  Speaker 3: at the moment is incapable of existing.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: As we ponder these things on this second anniversary, I
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  Speaker 3: often come back to one family's October the seventh story
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  Speaker 3: that haunts me, and it demonstrates beyond any doubt, the evil,
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  Speaker 3: the bloodlust, and it shows that the atrocities of that
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  Speaker 3: day were not about resistance or statehood or politics. They
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  Speaker 3: were about hatred, the vile and fanatical hatred of Jews.
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  Speaker 3: And so it was that thirty two year old mother
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  Speaker 3: Sheri Bibas was kidnapped then taken separately from her husband Yarden,
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  Speaker 3: but with her four year old son Ariel and nine
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  Speaker 3: month old son Kafir. Look at her cling to her
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  Speaker 3: beautiful boys as they cling to her, and these animals
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  Speaker 3: not only abduct them from their home, but they film
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  Speaker 3: the ordeal to terrorize Israel, to boast to the world,
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  Speaker 3: we won't air their footage. A mother and her two
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  Speaker 3: young sons. Such innocence and such promise, taken in a
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  Speaker 3: frenzy of hatred. And what did Humas and their supporters
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  Speaker 3: do with them as hostages. They killed them with their
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  Speaker 3: bare hands in the days after October seventh, and they
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  Speaker 3: mutilated their bodies.
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  Speaker 2: And then more than a year.
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  Speaker 3: Later, they traded their bodies, Yes, traded their bodies for
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  Speaker 3: Israeli prisoners, staging a macarb handover ceremony. What a grotesque
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  Speaker 3: display of inhumanity. Think what it says about who Israel
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  Speaker 3: is up against. On this two year anniversary, war still
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  Speaker 3: rages because Humas will not surrender. It started a war
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  Speaker 3: it knew it could never win. It was about sacrificing
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian lives to cause pain for Israel. Yet still Humas
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  Speaker 3: prefers to extend the death and trauma for Palestinians in
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  Speaker 3: order to continue Israel's suffering and intensify Israel's diplomatic isolation.
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  Speaker 3: But let me then share one more story, one of suffering, courage,
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  Speaker 3: and hope.
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  Speaker 2: This is what happened to a young.
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  Speaker 3: Girl and her little brother on a kibbutz in southern
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  Speaker 3: Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three. Daria Karp was
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  Speaker 3: ten years old and her brother Larva seven on that morning.
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  Speaker 3: Alerted to an attack, which usually meant rocket or missile fire,
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  Speaker 3: the pair sheltered in their safe room with their father,
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  Speaker 3: de Vere and his partner Stave. Devere was texting the
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  Speaker 3: children's mother, Riort, who was safe a long way away
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  Speaker 3: near Tel Aviv, letting her know that that heard gunfire
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  Speaker 3: on the kibbutz. Then they heard terrorists entering the house.
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  Speaker 3: Devere and Stav went out to protect the children devere
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  Speaker 3: with an axe Stave with a knife, and they were
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  Speaker 3: both shot dead. The terrorists found the children huddled under blankets,
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  Speaker 3: but left them a.
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  Speaker 2: Flush of humanity in the middle of this mayhem.
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  Speaker 3: One of them wrote on the wall that al Kazam
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  Speaker 3: don't kill children. Al Kazam the military wing of Hummas,
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  Speaker 3: and this time at least they did not kill the children,
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  Speaker 3: although dozens of other Israeli kids were slaughtered that day.
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  Speaker 3: But the terror was not over for little Daria and Larvae.
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  Speaker 3: As their mother received these texts from Daria using her
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  Speaker 3: dad's phone to tell her about the murders, Rayot got
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  Speaker 3: her daughter on the phone, conscious that terrorists were still
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  Speaker 3: in the kabbutz here's some of their exchange.
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  Speaker 4: Will there.
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  Speaker 3: For the next three hours, Rot was on the phone
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  Speaker 3: with her daughter while also alerting authorities for help.
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  Speaker 5: Read it now, I have.
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  Speaker 2: One local.
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  Speaker 5: When your dad, mummy is fred and put it out
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  Speaker 5: and your McComb.
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  Speaker 3: But this brave little girl managed to get her brother,
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  Speaker 3: who was on the autism spectrum, to sleep, and later,
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  Speaker 3: two and a half hours after her father was killed,
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  Speaker 3: she heard terrorists again in the house.
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  Speaker 6: That's all, it's the open love VI shoe.
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  Speaker 5: Mummy, Yes, Charles value yeah, player in an requirement.
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  Speaker 2: And listen to this poignant question.
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  Speaker 3: The question at the heart of this atrocity and it's aftermath,
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  Speaker 3: and it's asked by a terrified girl in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the attack numbers.
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  Speaker 6: Double you because.
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  Speaker 5: From the vowel from the.
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  Speaker 7: Clue, then and I.
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  Speaker 2: Why do they kill?
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  Speaker 3: Daria and her brother were eventually rescued by a family
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  Speaker 3: friend five hours after their ordeal began. They weren't reunited
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  Speaker 3: with their mother till the following morning, One little bit
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  Speaker 3: of hope at a time of absolute horror. Daria has
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  Speaker 3: now taken to art as part of her recovery. It's
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  Speaker 3: a way to confront her fears and memories. Here are
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  Speaker 3: a couple of samples of her work. They're quite whole,
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  Speaker 3: aren't they. She's endured what no child should ever go through.
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  Speaker 3: At least thirty eight children were murdered that day, and
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  Speaker 3: thousands of Palestinian children have been killed as unintended victims
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  Speaker 3: of the resultant war, a war Hummas deliberately triggered and
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  Speaker 3: has heartlessly refused to end. The only way to ensure
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  Speaker 3: that future generations of Israeli and Palestinian children do not
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  Speaker 3: go through this trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Is to eradicate the extremists. Eradicate the terrorists and.
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  Speaker 3: Their Islamist extremist ideology because it is evil, and because
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  Speaker 3: because it's not only a constant threat to Israel, but
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  Speaker 3: also a threat to the West, to our country here
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  Speaker 3: and to mainstream Muslims right around the world. That's the
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  Speaker 3: lesson of October the seventh. But tragically, far too many
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  Speaker 3: people do the opposite, amplifying the propaganda of the extremists,
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  Speaker 3: justifying and encouraging the extremists.
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  Speaker 2: Will they never learn.
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  Speaker 3: What has occurred today in this country on the second
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  Speaker 3: anniversary of the October seventh atrocities is sickening and it
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  Speaker 3: shames our nation.
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you in a moment, but it is familiar.
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  Speaker 3: We saw it start two years ago when this visceral
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  Speaker 3: hatred of Jews was awakened all around the world.
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  Speaker 2: On October the seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: Palestinians in Gaza cheered as bodies and hostages were dragged
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  Speaker 3: back into their territory. Palestinians in the West Bank did likewise.
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  Speaker 3: They celebrate, but around the world too, Palestinians Muslims more
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  Speaker 3: broadly and some of the radical left immediately took delight
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  Speaker 3: in the slaughter of Israelis. It was sickening, it remains sickening,
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  Speaker 3: and it came here and we saw the most shameful
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  Speaker 3: public displays this nation has ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Inaydan.
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  Speaker 2: It's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 3: And in response to those hate fielled displays that certainly
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  Speaker 3: endorsed violence and murder and most certainly must have bordered
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  Speaker 3: on incitement, our governments, state and federal, and their law
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  Speaker 3: enforcement authorities, well they did nothing. There were no arrests,
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  Speaker 3: no charges, and it hasn't improved. Over the past two years,
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  Speaker 3: with anti Semitism reaching unprecedented levels, with fire bombings of cars,
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  Speaker 3: of shops and of a synagogue, even a childcare center,
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  Speaker 3: and numerous threats and graffiti attacks, it's been relentless hateful
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  Speaker 3: and frightening for Jewish Australians. And then today, on this
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  Speaker 3: grim anniversary, we saw graffiti in Melbourne of the most
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  Speaker 3: vile kind, glorifying hummus and calling for more terrorist attacks
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  Speaker 3: on Jews. Now this happens here, that such people live
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  Speaker 3: among us is at once disturbing and shameful. Today the
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian Action Group was in court fighting against a police
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  Speaker 3: ban on a planned protest at the Opera House this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: They should let them protest on one condition that the
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  Speaker 3: government funded broadcaster, the ABC broadcasts it live and in full,
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  Speaker 3: so that people get to see the hatred that these
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  Speaker 3: people preach. The trouble is that Anthony Albanese in his
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  Speaker 3: government have been jelly backed on this stuff since the
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  Speaker 3: very night of October seventh. They've wrung their hands and
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  Speaker 3: they've demonized Israel, which is victim blaming on a grand scale,
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  Speaker 3: turning their back on Israel diplomatically. So the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 3: words in Parliament today were hollow.
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  Speaker 9: The Australian governments stand with Jewish people around the world
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  Speaker 9: who feel the cold shadow of history's darkest chapter in
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  Speaker 9: any act of anti Semitism. We will always stand against
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  Speaker 9: any Semitism, as should everyone. We must break this cycle
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  Speaker 9: of violence and build something better. Australia has consistently been
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  Speaker 9: part of the international pressure for a cease fire in Gaza,
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  Speaker 9: the return of the hostages, for aid to flow and
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  Speaker 9: a two state solution.
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  Speaker 3: No overt support for Israel, no idea of what's at
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  Speaker 3: stake for the Middle East or for Western civilization and
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  Speaker 3: our own country. Susan Lee, on the other hand, showed
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  Speaker 3: clarity and strength.
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  Speaker 10: I wish that today, as we mark this dark milestone,
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  Speaker 10: I could reflect on the strength of Australia's response. I
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  Speaker 10: wish I could be able to say that Australia did
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  Speaker 10: all it could to help release the hostages and the
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  Speaker 10: violence and dismantle the terrorist group Mass. Yet to do
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  Speaker 10: so would be a lie to our great shame. Under
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  Speaker 10: the leadership of the Albanese Labor government, Australia has not
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  Speaker 10: stood with the people of Israel nor with the United States,
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  Speaker 10: as they have sought to dismantle her Mass and established
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  Speaker 10: the conditions for peace here here.
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  Speaker 3: Earlier, the opposition leader met with Danny Masner, the brother
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  Speaker 3: of the only Australian victim, Galit Carbine. She was killed
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  Speaker 3: on Kibbutzbrie on October the seventh. Danny was there but survived.
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  Speaker 3: I met him there earlier this year when he showed
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  Speaker 3: us around the remnants of the carnage.
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  Speaker 2: Today he had a message for Australia.
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  Speaker 11: I'm talking on behalf of all of the twelve hundred
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  Speaker 11: murders and nine hundred soldiers that killed in the war,
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  Speaker 11: but I don't want to bring it up now because
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  Speaker 11: there's dead people from the other side.
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  Speaker 8: War is war.
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  Speaker 11: We don't want wars. None of us want war. And
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  Speaker 11: if I just may, I want to really ask the
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  Speaker 11: Australian government and the PM to take a more active
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  Speaker 11: part in trying to so this conflict, huge conflict with
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  Speaker 11: the Hamas and Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, war is hell.
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  Speaker 3: Palestinians are suffering and thousands have been killed. But the
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  Speaker 3: lies told about alleged deliberate starvation, the obscene nonsense about
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  Speaker 3: alleged genocide, and the atrocious claims that Israel targets civilians
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  Speaker 3: when no military offensive in history has gone to greater
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  Speaker 3: lengths to warn civilians and protect civilians will Those lies
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  Speaker 3: have been spread far too readily by media and politicians,
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  Speaker 3: and tragically, instead of correcting them and putting pressure on Humas,
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  Speaker 3: the Albanese labor government has only given credence to the
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  Speaker 3: malicious lies and demonized Israel. This has fueled hatred and
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  Speaker 3: it's misled the public, and it's only helped to prolong
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  Speaker 3: the war. Because the only way the war ends, and
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  Speaker 3: we all hope that is soon The only way it
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  Speaker 3: ends is by forcing Humas, its supporters, and similar groups
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  Speaker 3: like Islamic Jihad and Hesbalah.
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  Speaker 2: To end their cycle of violence.
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  Speaker 3: It's impossible to imagine the grief being experienced by relatives
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  Speaker 3: of hostages taken by Hummas. On October the seventh, Tamir
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  Speaker 3: Nimrodi was eighteen when he was abducted, an education officer
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  Speaker 3: in the Israeli military, a non combat soldier liaising with
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  Speaker 3: Palestinians near Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: His mum Herut has no idea whether.
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  Speaker 3: Her son is still alive. She joins me, now live
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  Speaker 3: from Israel. Hero, thanks so much for joining us. This
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  Speaker 3: must be such a testing day for you, two years
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  Speaker 3: after your son was taken. Tell us how you're dealing
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  Speaker 3: with it, how you're marking the due and what you've
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  Speaker 3: heard of or from him since.
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  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, thank you for having me today.
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  Speaker 8: It is a hard day for.
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  Speaker 12: The entire country, but of course for us, the families
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  Speaker 12: that are still hanging on after two years. It's unimaginable.
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  Speaker 12: It has been two years. It feels like one long,
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  Speaker 12: horrific day for us, actually waking up each morning for
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  Speaker 12: new tasks that we haven't had to deal with before
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  Speaker 12: going on delegations and doing interviews for the radio, for
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  Speaker 12: the television.
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  Speaker 6: This is.
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  Speaker 8: A different world than we had before October seventh.
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  Speaker 2: I heard that you've got.
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  Speaker 3: No update on You've got no update on your son.
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  Speaker 3: You've got no update on his conditional.
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  Speaker 2: Whether he's alive, tell me, tell me what you believe
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  Speaker 2: the situation is.
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  Speaker 12: Well, the only life sign we have of Tamir is
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  Speaker 12: from October seventh, when he was brutally taking away in
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  Speaker 12: his pajamas, where we saw the horrific video, but we
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  Speaker 12: saw him on his feet. He was alive, Yes, he
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  Speaker 12: was terrified. Yes, they were terrorists around him hitting him.
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  Speaker 8: I can't even.
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  Speaker 12: Explain how does a mother feel when she sees her
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  Speaker 12: son in this condition. But the ending of this video
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  Speaker 12: was of him being led into Gaza by foot. They
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  Speaker 12: put him on a truck and they drove away. And
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  Speaker 12: this is actually the last life sign we have of Tamil.
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  Speaker 12: Since then, there's no.
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  Speaker 8: Indication whether he survived or not.
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  Speaker 12: He is the only Israeli with no information about him,
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  Speaker 12: and we are scared that the worst that happened to him.
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  Speaker 12: We're trying to have some kind of hope, but we
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  Speaker 12: know that after two years with no information. There is
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  Speaker 12: a little chance that he survived, but we are waiting,
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  Speaker 12: waiting to hear from Romas what his condition is. The
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  Speaker 12: ICRC did not help us the entire time, not even
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  Speaker 12: to give us information whether he survived.
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  Speaker 8: He has no glasses. He was taken without them and
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  Speaker 8: he can hardly see without them.
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  Speaker 12: We ask them to bring him a pair of glasses,
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  Speaker 12: but they said Hamas doesn't let them see the hostages,
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  Speaker 12: and they can't help us.
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  Speaker 8: So this is my situation.
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  Speaker 3: Herod, thank you so much for being strong enough and
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  Speaker 3: brave enough to share your plight with the world, just
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  Speaker 3: for the information our viewers. The Israeli government says there
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  Speaker 3: are forty eight hostages are still held by Hamas, that
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  Speaker 3: twenty of them are alive, twenty eight are dead. Tell
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  Speaker 3: us about me, tell us about what sort of a
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  Speaker 3: young man he was. Obviously he's doing his compulsory military service,
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  Speaker 3: but he's involved in education and I believe liaising with Palestinians.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, he was actually a part of co GOT, which
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  Speaker 12: deals ironically with humanitarian issues for the Palestinians. They used
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  Speaker 12: to take sick Palestinians into Israel, into hospitals in Israel
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  Speaker 12: and give them license.
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  Speaker 8: To work in Israel.
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  Speaker 4: So there was no.
• 26:07
  Speaker 12: You know, people are looking at us as a genocidal country,
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: or that we're trying to do some kind of ethnic cleansing,
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: when well, my son was actually doing things in order
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: to coexist together, in order for us to be able
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: to live together. And he was just a little boy,
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: was only eighteen. He used to do what every eighteen
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: year old boy does, went to a bar with his
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: friends for a drink, travel abroad with his friends before
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: his military.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Service. He liked to ride horses.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: He was.
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: A very smart boy. You wanted to continue his journey
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: as an educator. He felt like he was. One of
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: his missions is to take care of other people. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: can tell you that when we received his belongings from
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: his base, one of the things we found was a
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: small note a three sentences he wrote to himself. It
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: was a small note fold in his pocket, and the
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: sentences are as followed, to succeed helping a lot of people,
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: to create a close circle of friends, and not.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: To harm anyone.
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: Wow, this is an eighteen year old boy who only
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: wanted to make a difference in this world, to make
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: it a better place for us, and we do have
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: to remember that when Hamas launched this attack on Israel,
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: it wasn't looking for a two state solution.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: He wanted to wipe up Israel to have a one
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: state solution.
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: So this is the thing that the.
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: World leads to understand, indeed they do.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: He thank you so much for being strong enough to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: join us this morning, your time.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a very difficult day for you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: And let's hope you get some good news about Tamir
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: in the future. We appreciate it so much sharing the
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: story of her son, Tamir, taken two years ago today,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and as you heard, she does not hold out great hope.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But while there is a glimmer of hope, the whole
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: country will hang on to it. Now coming up, we've
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: got to take a break. We're going to cross down
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: to canber in a moment, but that's been.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Delayed, so we'll take a break.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll talk about this disgusting pro
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: humus propaganda that's been spread in Australia.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Today I go away.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: There's a sickening protest plan for Bankstown in Sydney, Southwest tonight.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: What the organizers have labeled.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Honoring two years of resistance and confronting two years of genocide.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: One of the speakers will be shake Ibrahim de doom Well.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I showed you earlier celebrating on the streets of Lukember
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: the day after the October the seventh attacks in twenty
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: twenty three.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Here's the new South Wales Premier, Chris Mins speaking this morning.
• 29:31
  Speaker 14: Terrible timing, shockingly insensitive and for a lot of these groups,
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: there's an old saying they never missed an opportunity, to
• 29:38
  Speaker 14: miss an opportunity. We understand that there's concern about innocent
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: Palestinian civilians in Gaza, but to do it on this day,
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: on the seventh seems like they're glorifying the actions of
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: these hammers terrorists.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an abomination.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Alex Ripchin from the Executive Council of
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Australian Jury. Thanks for joining this on this joining us
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: on the this difficult anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: Alex.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: The thought that some people in your own city want
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: to celebrate it your thoughts.
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: Well, there's no shock here, Chris. I mean there's something
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: almost poetic about the fact that the same bloke, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: same cleric, who stood on the streets of Western Sydney
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: two years ago today talking about his joy and pride
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: in the horrors that we witnessed on October seventh. That
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: he's at it again now. It just shows us how
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: little has changed, how much impunity there's been, the extent
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: to which these people continue to operate outside the bounds
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: of humanity, morality and the law, and nothing can be
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: done to them. But it's important that we know this,
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: that we're aware of this, that this sort of evil
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: streak runs through our country.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Apparently. I'm chastened.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Though I thought at least we would have seen some
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: discussion of a police visiting, police interview, perhaps charges laid
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: under hate speech laws.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: We've seen none of that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Apparently celebrating the massacre of innocence is not considered to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: be incitement in this country.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I'm staggered by.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: The fact we've seen no policing or law enforcement response
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: to this stuff two years on, and we wonder them
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: why it continues. I got an email today, a statement
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: today from the Israelian National Immans Council.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: When I saw it in the inbox, I thought, great,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Say something sensitive and compassionate about what happened on October
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: the seventh.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But no, they are marking.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Two years of relentless genocide and war waged against the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: people of Gaza.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: This is the National Immands Council. Your response to that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: Well, you spoke about it earlier in the show. The
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: fact that there's been two years of relentless lies and
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: demonization of the Jewish community in this country, of anyone
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: who stands with Israel and of the people of Israel itself,
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: and that will not simply go away. That will be
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: with us for generations to come. A new generation of
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: Australians and people around the world have been bred with this,
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: have been inducted with this, and this is going to
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: change our society for a long time. We talk about cohesion,
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: we talk about being multicultural and different groups and we
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: all get along and we work together and we study together.
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: That can't go on, That can't go on in a
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: normal way when you have such demonization and intimidation and
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: harassment of Jewish Australians, when we're reduced to this and
• 32:18
  Speaker 13: nothing is done about it, and we've spoken so much
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: about the absence of leadership. It of course begins with
• 32:22
  Speaker 13: a federal government, but also groups like Arthic that you
• 32:25
  Speaker 13: mentioned the Mum's Council, School principles, Families. People have to
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: take responsibility for this, but it's been glorified, it's been normalized,
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: and again we're going to have to deal with this
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: for a long long time in the form of social
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: cohesion programs and extra security costs. This is going to
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: be the norm in our society.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: You're so right, it's an issue for every Australian.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: We all have to take ownership of it, not just
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: think it's happening to some group of people we don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: know or have much to deal with. Have a look
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: at this in Melbourne today. You talk about glorifying hummus
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: on a billboard. People have written exactly that, glorify hummus
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: on another one alongside how mus do it?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Tell me again about Obviously there's that broader response, but
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: for individual Jewish Australians this must be terrifying.
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: Look, it's a reinjury that we suffer on a near
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: daily basis, and we will never forget October seven. We
• 33:21
  Speaker 13: will never forget the horrors that were recounted that occurred
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: on that day that we witnessed people like you and me, Chris,
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: who traveled to Israel and went to the South and
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: sat with soldiers who've just come out of combat, spoke
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: to survivors of the atrocity, spoke to families who lost victims,
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: like your previous guest, and it just makes you weep
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: for what has happened, what has been allowed to happen,
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: and to know that at the same time as we
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: respond in a humane fashion, with concern and compassion, that
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: there are people reveling in this, seeking joy in this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: It reveals a sickness in society, and it's not just
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: a Jewish issue, because that sickness can't be confined. That
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: sickness will then sprawl out into wider society, into workplaces,
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: into homes, to communities, and it's something we have to
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: deal with in confront. We've seen it in the healthcare
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: sector with psychotic nurses that want to kill their patients.
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: We've seen it in the education sector. We've seen it
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: across society, and it's been normalized by the Australian Greens,
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: who just yesterday couldn't even condemn the slaughter of two
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: Jews outside of synagogue on Yom Kippur. It's been glorified
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: by athletes and musicians. But there's a real sickness going
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: on and it's going to take a long time to
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: unpack this and grapple with this. But it has to
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: begin with leadership and it has to begin with consequences.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us, Alex, and you know we
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: are with you and our hearts are with you and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: your community this difficult day. Alex Rifchin there, who's the
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Executive Council of the Australian Jury, the co chief executive there?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Now coming up after the break, I'm going to get
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: the latest on the peace process. Going across to Israel,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: we'll catch up with their Deputy Foreign Minister, Sharon Haskell.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Israel now and catch up with char
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: and has School, who's that country's deputy foreign minister. Good
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: to speak to you again, Sharon, and can I can
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I start off by thanking you for joining this on
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: this day. I know it's our holiday for Jewish people
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and so therefore a lot of people that are very
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: private and offline today, So I.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Just want to ask you.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I know Jewish Australians have had quiet vigils for October
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: the seventh, how is the day being marked by way
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: of commemorations in Israel.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: Well, this is a very difficult moment.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: For the past week, there's been different commemorations by different groups,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: whether it's the Nova survivors, families of the hostages, the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: families of the fallen soldiers. So each one has some
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: private ceremonies and just after support as the Jews have
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a different calendar to commemorate this day that was on Simhatt.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: So next week we will start also the.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Commemorations at the Foreign Ministry, at the Knesset and other
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: ministries as well.
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you again for joining us.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Tell us what the latest information is on the peace
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: plan that you Obviously it's been announced by Benjamin Netanyahu
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: and Donald Trump, but detailed negotiation is occurring as we
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: speak in Egypt, is it not.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: What's what's the latest?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's important also to understand, you know, Israel
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: said yes. The Arab countries including Qatar and Turkey and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Jordan and Egypt, they all said yes to Trump's peace plan.
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately Hamas did not.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Said up said outright yes, it said it wants to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: speak about the details. We've sent yesterday a delegation to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Egypt to start a conversation about them. Look, Israel has
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: made so many concessions in the last two years. Whenever
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: we've had a diplomatic path to achieve our goals of war,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: which were very clear from the start. It was the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: return of the hostages and to dismantle Ramas, to make
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: sure that the seventh of October never happens again, that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: hundreds of hostages will never be abducted again. And every
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: time we had a diplomatic path to bring them back,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: even though we've made major concessions, including the return of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: hundreds of terrorists with blood on their hands, which chose
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that path. I really hope that this discussion will be
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: productive and that Ramas will agree to that. Unfortunately, from
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: what I hear, I keep my expectations still quite low,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and I do that specifically also for the families of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the hostages that so many times they've anticipated and expected
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and hoped and prayed, and unfortunately, dealing with a terrorist organization,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we've been dramatic quickly disappointed.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, everything we've seen from Hamas so far would urge
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: us to be cautious now, which comes to the second.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Part of this peace plan.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: It is effectively an ultimatum accept this plan now, or
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: else the idea, if will go into Gaza city and
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: get rid of route out what is left of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Hamas leadership, how much time before that decision was taken,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: because Hamas could be just buying time.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Here, yes, as they did last time as well, when
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: their intentions weren't to agree to cease fire, but to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: buy more time to pressure Israel for longer. And look,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: this peace plan, it's an ultimate meetum because you deal
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: with a terrorist organization throughout the last two years, they
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: didn't just kill, murdered, abuse, tortured Israeli.
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: But they didn't care for Palestinian either. Highest goal is
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: murdered them.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It's death and they don't care how much the Palestinian
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: people suffer.
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: On the way either. And that's why when you see
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: the Arab.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Countries accepting that deal, when you even see the Palestinian authority,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Mahmudabas calling for Ramas to accept that deal after Israel
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: have made concession, because and christ you need to understand
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the first stage of this deal mean we will have
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to release Terarit to have murdered children, children, women, men
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: out of our prison out to the society, just free
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: some of them are Ramas operatives and fighters who are
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: participated in the worst massacre of Jews sends the Holocaust,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and they will go back to Gaza freely without any restrictions.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether the Australian people are understanding depth
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: what it means to our society that those evil monster,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: noterous monsters.
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: Will room free.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Some of them in the streets just here in Jdare
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: in some areas. Some of them will reach Jerusalem and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: other parts and it will be very, very difficult, especially
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: on the victims who've lost their family members during those attacks.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It's an incredible concession and it's why the whole world
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: hopes umus will grasp this. Sharon, it's obvious the strain,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the emotion that you have at this difficult time. Thank
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: you so much for joining us today. Sharon Haskell there
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel. Imagine dealing with those
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: sorts of conundrums. Let's hope peace is not too far off.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I just want to give you a reminder that you
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: can see on this channel a special documentary that investigates
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the rise of anti Semitism.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It's called October the eighth.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It's going to be broadcast right here on Sky News
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: tomorrow at seven thirty pm. That's Australian Eastern daylight Saving time,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of course, six point thirty that is in Queensland. I've
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: seen that documentary. I saw it in a cinema when
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: it was first released in Australia. It is compelling viewing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Don't worry, it's not too graphic, but it is compelling
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: viewing about how the tide was turned against Israel and
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Jewish people on October the eighth, effectively straight after the
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: atrocities of October the seventh. Let's go to the UK
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Now and News Corp Europe correspondent Sky newsed contributor Sophie
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Yours with joins us this week from Manchester and Sophie
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Manchester must still be reeling from that vicious and deadly
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: attack at a synagogue last week.
• 41:48
  Speaker 15: Yeah, great to be with you, Chris. Look, it absolutely is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: It's front and center of mind here in Manchester. Obviously
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: it's October seven here today, it's just the morning people
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: are waking up. But there are Palestinian protests planned Chris,
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: around the UK which secure Starma. The Prime Minister here
• 42:06
  Speaker 15: is largely condemned, but there's no doubt many people, particularly
• 42:10
  Speaker 15: here in Manchester, thinking very hard about what happened here
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: last week because it's still very raw.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, the security is very tight.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: You're therefore a conference tell us about the politics that's
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: about to unfold.
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: Yes, so, Chris, the Tory Conference, the Conservative Conference is
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: here at the moment. Today we have former Prime Minister
• 42:34
  Speaker 15: Tony Abbott speaking, expecting he will speak on his success
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: with stopping the boats because this is an issue that
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: the UK has not being able to get a grip on.
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: But I can tell you, Chris, it's very interesting being
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: at this conference. I dropped in yesterday to the conference.
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: I've been to the other Labor and Reform conferences and
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: the vibe here is very different. It's a lot more quiet.
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: They certainly haven't got the end that the other conferences have,
• 43:02
  Speaker 15: and the figures speak for themselves. There's three and a
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: half thousand registered people for this conference compared to four thousand,
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: seven hundred last year.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: Reform had seven thousand.
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: People Chris registered for their conference a month ago, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: Labor had They were saying tens of thousands of people
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: at their conference. It feels very somber really at the conference.
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: There's not the energy here because as we know, the
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: Tories are in a lot of trouble and they're losing
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: in the polls, Chris. And there was an interesting poll
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: out yesterday of Tory members asking them should Kenny Badenoch
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: be the leader or not, and half said no, she
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: should not.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: So there's a lot of their.
• 43:43
  Speaker 15: Own members who don't even have faith in.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Her, good Lord.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And just for some light relief, speaking of Kemmy Badenock
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: is there's some chocolate fundraising chocolate being spread around the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: conference there and it talks now when Labor negotiates, that's
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: not a misspelling. The British Labor Party uses the OU,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: of course, but then they've misspelled Britain.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Brittian loses. How's this gone down, Sophie.
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: Well, Chris, When they can't even spell the name of
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: the country correctly, you know that there's problems in the
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: administration here with the Conservative Party. They've had to pull
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: these chocolates out of the bags. It's a very embarrassing blunder.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: But it's really the state of the Tories at the moment.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: They are definitely not in favor here. There's a lot
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: of people very annoyed given they had so much time
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: in office, Chris, and now they're saying they'll fix all
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: these problems like migration and rising cost of living. But
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: the answer is always well, what did you guys do?
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: You had government for over a decade. So Kemmy Beadenoch
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: has an awfully tough challenge on her hands. But it
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: will be interesting today to hear from Tony Abbott to
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: see what he has to tell them about how they
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: can stop the migrant problem.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Greatest stuff, Sophie, Thanks for joining us as ever a
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Sophie Ellsworth there on the scene and all over.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It as usual.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: And yes, if you want to run a country, best
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you know how to spell it, although I was involved
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: in a very major spelling this app in an election
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: campaign eons ago. Now coming up after the break of course,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Causio Brian and Stephen Sena Tiampa lots to talk about,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: including Greta.
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  Speaker 2: Toumberg finally deported from Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into our Tuesday panel with News Corps National
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  Speaker 3: Education Editor Susio Brian joining us from Melbourne and from camera,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the host of two Double see his breakfast there.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Sena Tiampo, thanks jose both for joining us. Why
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  Speaker 2: don't we go straight to Greta Toumberg.
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  Speaker 3: It's good that she survived her ordeal in the hands
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  Speaker 3: of the Israeli military.
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  Speaker 2: She's in Greece. Now have a listener to what she
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: had to say.
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  Speaker 4: Let me be very clear, there is a Jena side
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  Speaker 4: going on in front of her, very high, a live
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  Speaker 4: streams Jena side.
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  Speaker 11: On all of her.
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  Speaker 2: No one has the privilege to see.
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  Speaker 8: We are not aware of what is happening.
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  Speaker 2: What a hopeless joke she is, Stephen.
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  Speaker 3: What really irked me was when she was pretending she'd
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  Speaker 3: been abducted and saying this at the time that at
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  Speaker 3: least twenty live hostages remain.
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  Speaker 2: In the hands of Hamas. It doesn't say a lot
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  Speaker 2: for homeschooling, does it.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, you know, the reality is that you've got
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  Speaker 16: an ignorant child who has never grown up and has
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  Speaker 16: never been told no, now getting in the way of
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  Speaker 16: important international issues.
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  Speaker 2: The question is why is she in Greece? Did Sweden
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  Speaker 2: not want her back?
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  Speaker 16: I mean, I actually has a problem with Sweden because
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  Speaker 16: apparently the drones that they sent to interrupt the flotilla
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  Speaker 16: were playing Abba music. So not a fan of her
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  Speaker 16: own nation, but it's time to just ignore this girl
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  Speaker 16: and stop giving you the fifteen minutes of fame over
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  Speaker 16: and over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Greece is closer, so they would to
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  Speaker 3: save some carbon emissions by dropping her off there.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Donald Trump's had to say
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  Speaker 2: about this.
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  Speaker 17: She has an anger management problem. I think she should
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  Speaker 17: see a doctor. She needs angry. If you ever watch her,
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  Speaker 17: she's a young person. She's so angry, she's so crazy.
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  Speaker 17: Now you can have her, you can have She's just
• 47:12
  Speaker 17: a troublemaker, Susie.
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  Speaker 3: When Donald Trump calls you crazy and the whole world nods,
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  Speaker 3: something must be right.
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  Speaker 18: Well, the only problem is Donald Trump making those comments
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  Speaker 18: will just play straight.
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  Speaker 2: Into her hands.
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  Speaker 18: That will be the biggest badge of honor that she
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: can get. I mean, it would have been better off
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  Speaker 18: here if he actually said something good about her, then
• 47:35
  Speaker 18: she wouldn't be able to use it against her. But no,
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  Speaker 18: I mean him calling her, he's saying she hasn't grown up.
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  Speaker 18: He's sayings she's got an anger management issue. And the
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: way that he says you can have her.
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  Speaker 8: I mean it is so dismissive.
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  Speaker 18: But she'll be dining out on that for months.
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  Speaker 8: She will, she will.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, let me stay with you, Susie, and just get
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: your analysis of the story you broke today about three
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  Speaker 3: thousand student teachers failing the literacy test.
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  Speaker 18: Well, it's absolutely fascinating. The land Tite is a literacy
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  Speaker 18: and numerousy test that teachers have to pass in order
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  Speaker 18: to be able to teach in classrooms across the country,
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  Speaker 18: and we broke the story today that three thousand teachers
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  Speaker 18: did not pass this test the first time. Some of
• 48:22
  Speaker 18: them had to take about six hundred, took four times
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  Speaker 18: to pass it. And it's extraordinary because this is a
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  Speaker 18: ninth grade test, so it's making sure that teachers are
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  Speaker 18: in the top thirty percent of the adult population, about
• 48:36
  Speaker 18: equivalent to ninth graders. So they couldn't do things like
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: spell the word exaggerate, put a comma inner sentence. And
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  Speaker 18: you have to wonder, is it because some of the
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  Speaker 18: cutoff scores for teaching is for a diploma as low
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  Speaker 18: as an eight hour of forty maybe that's where the
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: problem is.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, now, Stephen, you're a radio man. You've got a
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  Speaker 3: quick thirty seconds here. The federal government under fire over
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Trip zero today. The opposition trying to say the government's
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  Speaker 3: been shoddy. The government just saying it's all Optus is
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  Speaker 3: their political mileage, and this is Anika Wells, the Communications
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  Speaker 3: Minister under pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Well the Minister on training wheels.
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  Speaker 16: No, I think there is political mileage on this because
• 49:16
  Speaker 16: talking to tech experts, I'm led to believe that there's
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  Speaker 16: really not much Optis could have done here, and they
• 49:20
  Speaker 16: probably handled this as best as they could. And even
• 49:23
  Speaker 16: Telstra had a tower outage not that long ago that
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  Speaker 16: nobody was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So there's clearly a problem with the system.
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  Speaker 16: And the whole structure around our Triple O calls that
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  Speaker 16: the government needs to address.
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  Speaker 3: Steven and Susie, thanks for joining me for a slightly
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: truncated segment this week.
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  Speaker 2: We've crammed a lot in today.
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  Speaker 3: On October the seventh, don't forget Tomorrow, October the eighth,
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  Speaker 3: you can watch here on Sky News October the eighth,
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  Speaker 3: the documentary airing here seven point thirty tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Peter