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We Recorded This Hours Before Dolly Passed <3 · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose D'Ami.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Fran Torado.
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  Speaker 1: And as Zara Larson sang, summer isn't over yet. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: did you see she recently performed at some festival and
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  Speaker 1: while she was doing Midnight Sun, everyone in the crowd
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  Speaker 1: started getting up on people's shoulders and she was laughing
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  Speaker 1: so hard she couldn't sing the song. It's like so joyous.
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  Speaker 1: Serotonin in video form. Highly suggest everyone go watch it.
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  Speaker 1: immediately after either recording or listening to this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Zara Larsson is like quickly becoming this kind of like, like,
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  Speaker 2: United Colors of Benetton, like United Nations, kind of like
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  Speaker 2: universally beloved Eurovision entity that is like, and maybe Eurovision
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  Speaker 2: is the wrong word to use because of the, I
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  Speaker 2: guess like Israeli sympathist implications, if you know that tea.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck Eurovision.
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  Speaker 2: But, but just in the, the idea that she's, she's
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  Speaker 2: kind of has over the last year and this year
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  Speaker 2: started to enter a like Ariana Grande level of like
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  Speaker 2: being like locked Ariana Grande 2019. Ariana Grande amidst her
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  Speaker 2: Pete Davidson breakup kind of levels of locked in. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really getting the comparison, but I understand what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: My analysis was not super clear. Let's see if we
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  Speaker 2: can flesh it out, honestly, because I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: much about Laura Larson, but she does kind of feel
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  Speaker 2: like a Swedish industry plant. I know that she literally
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  Speaker 2: sounds like Rihanna, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can call her an industry plant.
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  Speaker 1: She's been like a pop workhorse for a while, and
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  Speaker 1: she just had a breakout.
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  Speaker 2: Moment in the last year. No, she just seems like
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  Speaker 2: one because she kind of seems to have like, she
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  Speaker 2: just looks like factory-made is what I should say. She
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  Speaker 2: looks so perfect. Her music is kind of like crack.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's just because she's Swedish.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. That's my point. And also like, Zara
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  Speaker 2: kind of has like so many kind of billboard hot
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  Speaker 2: 100 songs that you are like, I've never heard a
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  Speaker 2: Zara Larson song. And then someone would play five for
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  Speaker 2: you and you're like, oh, I've heard that song. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that song. Oh, I've heard that song.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I don't really like any of
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  Speaker 1: her music except Midnight Sun and the, um, the, the
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  Speaker 1: Pink Pantherous remix.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's, Like that's on ugly or whatever. Pretty girl, ugly girl.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Something about.
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  Speaker 2: That's my ego boost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I didn't mean to start a whole conversation
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  Speaker 1: about Zara Larson. Cause I actually don't have that much
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  Speaker 1: to say to her. So I want to, I want
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  Speaker 1: to redirect us by saying, I I'm sorry that I
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  Speaker 1: checked my email while we were recording, but I do
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  Speaker 1: want to let you know that I did just get
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  Speaker 1: a notification from our joint Patreon account, that Mr. Xtoon
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  Speaker 1: posted a remastered version of Hercules X Aladdin.
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  Speaker 2: Remastered? Wait, in 4K? What is that even, what is
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  Speaker 2: that offering?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But if you are interested in hearing
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  Speaker 1: our thoughts on the resurrection of Mr. Xtoon, we did
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  Speaker 1: just talk about it on a bonus episode that is
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  Speaker 1: dropping this week. on our Patreon feed.
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  Speaker 2: An extended explainer of the X-Tune drama.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. If you are not subscribed to our Patreon, you
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  Speaker 1: definitely should be. We drop twice monthly bonus episodes. So
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  Speaker 1: far this month, we've already done a Disney villain smackdown
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  Speaker 1: to see who is the ultimate Disney villain. And we
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  Speaker 1: were so high while recording it. It definitely must be
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  Speaker 1: listened to, to be believed. And then this week we'll
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  Speaker 1: be releasing a sort of, girls' girling, chatty, catch-up show.
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  Speaker 1: So go to patreon.com slash likeavirgin and subscribe.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Let me tell you, I do not know if
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  Speaker 2: there's anything that is more exactly our news beat aside
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  Speaker 2: from Mr.
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  Speaker 1: X2.
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  Speaker 2: And, like, the opportunity to talk about that on the
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  Speaker 2: Patreon sublime, it is so uniquely at the intersection of
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  Speaker 2: our interest, our interest being... nerddom, pervdom, perversion, and transsexualism.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, we're big. Look, now we subscribe to Mr.
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  Speaker 1: X2 on Patreon. I did receive a text from Fran
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  Speaker 1: last week saying, I subscribe to Mr. X2 on Patreon.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. I've never subscribed before. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: support an independent artist. Support queer art.
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  Speaker 1: Protect queer art.
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  Speaker 2: Protect queer art. Or as he would like to put it,
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  Speaker 2: Gay sex. His passion for gay sex.
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  Speaker 1: For gay sex. I also have a passion for gay sex,
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  Speaker 1: despite being a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to be real with y'all virgins. We
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  Speaker 1: are in the thick of Doll Invasion prep. Doll Invasion
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  Speaker 1: is this weekend. Fran is busier than she's ever been.
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  Speaker 1: I've also got a busy week. We're heading out to
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  Speaker 1: the island on Thursday, so... we don't have a ton
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  Speaker 1: lined up to discuss this episode. It's also going to
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  Speaker 1: be kind of chatty and maybe who knows on the
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  Speaker 1: shorter side, we'll see how the convo goes. And next week, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we will not have a new episode. We will actually
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  Speaker 1: be running one of our Patreon bonus episodes on the
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  Speaker 1: main feed. So you'll get a sneak peek of what
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  Speaker 1: it's like over there, uh, which should entice you to subscribe, uh,
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  Speaker 1: And again, support queer art, support queer podcasts. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to call a podcast art. Never. But yeah, let's,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, Fran, how are you feeling
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  Speaker 1: with Doll Invasion days away?
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  Speaker 2: I am feeling so good. Obviously crazy. This is my
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  Speaker 2: busiest month of the year. But, you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not familiar, Doll Invasion is a now annual take over
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  Speaker 2: a fire island where well over a thousand trans people
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  Speaker 2: descend over the course of the weekend in a fundraiser
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  Speaker 2: for Queer Art, which is a nonprofit that the organization
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  Speaker 2: works with, providing intergenerational mentorship programs and grants for queer
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  Speaker 2: and trans artists. This, I gotta say, if I'm just
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  Speaker 2: gonna take the opportunity to Even if you don't live
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  Speaker 2: in New York or you're not coming to Doll Invasion,
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  Speaker 2: to give you an idea of what it really looks like.
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  Speaker 1: And why you should donate.
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  Speaker 2: And why you should donate or why you should come, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: More than anything, I really want everybody to come. You
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  Speaker 2: don't need housing to come to Doll Invasion. We have
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  Speaker 2: a guide. On day trips, on our website, dollinvasion.org.
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  Speaker 1: It has never been easier to get to the island.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, girly. I mean, to me, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is like more affordable than people think.
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  Speaker 2: But it also might be like, maybe this is a
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  Speaker 2: privileged thing to say, but splitting a lift is so easy, girl.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going with a couple friends, and especially if
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  Speaker 1: you're coming for a day trip, like a Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 1: it's not as traffic-y, not as expensive as coming out
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  Speaker 1: on a Friday. So if you split it with a
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  Speaker 1: couple girls, you could definitely spend, I don't know, at most,
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  Speaker 1: maybe $ 40.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, if you're splitting it several ways.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a considerable amount of money, but For maybe an.
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  Speaker 2: Hour and a half drive for like a private car
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  Speaker 2: service from Brooklyn to the Sayville Ferry Service, please.
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  Speaker 1: And you're already spending like $ 12 to $ 15 on a
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  Speaker 1: train ticket plus subway fare, cab fare to the train, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It does make sense if you can get your friends together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, but yeah, everyone should try and do day trips.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the, it's the best, it is low key
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  Speaker 2: the best party on the island ever. It's one of
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  Speaker 2: the few times during the summer where actually good music
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  Speaker 2: is played on the island instead of top 40 faggotcore.
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  Speaker 2: And also just the demographic of the island literally changes
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  Speaker 2: for three days. It's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's the week of summer that I look forward to most.
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  Speaker 1: And my birthday's in the summer, so you know Doll
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  Speaker 1: Invasion is the tea.
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  Speaker 2: Doll Invasion is basically a follow-up to Rose Damu's birthday
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  Speaker 2: as the finale of the summer, but also a celebration
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  Speaker 2: of Rose Damu.
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  Speaker 1: Where I will be DJing three times throughout the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I will be DJing daily. I've already had people in
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  Speaker 1: my DMs asking me when my set is so they
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  Speaker 1: can plan ahead. Honey, just show up. I'll probably be DJing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of the tea. We also have DJs
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  Speaker 2: from San Francisco, from Houston, from London, from Philly, exotic Philly. Ooh, ah. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: programming 58 hours of music.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Really insane music festival vibes.
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  Speaker 1: Some great queens performing on, what is it, Friday? There's
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  Speaker 1: Baby T Invasion. Yes. That's very exciting. Tyler Ashley and Charlene.
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  Speaker 1: doing their you know, sort of gonzo drag show.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Their version of Baby T for Doll Invasion is
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  Speaker 2: called Baby Doll.
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  Speaker 1: Baby Doll. Oh, that's so sweet. Speaking of dolls and
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  Speaker 1: Doll Invasion. Something very important was announced yesterday. It's that
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  Speaker 1: Monster High is releasing a Buffy the Vampire Slayer Skelector.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 1: And it's Buffy and Angel, which, you know, if this
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  Speaker 1: had come out when I was 12, I would have loved.
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  Speaker 1: As an adult woman, I'm more of a Buffy spike shipper.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't think Buffy needs a man. She
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  Speaker 1: could have been sold by herself.
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  Speaker 2: But you did buy them.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't gone on sale yet. They go on sale
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  Speaker 1: next week. I will be buying them.
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  Speaker 2: They look really good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Her face, it looks like Sarah Michelle Gellar. And also,
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  Speaker 1: the same day, a Buffy Polly Pocket set is being dropped,
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  Speaker 1: which I will also be buying. And it does make
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  Speaker 1: me wonder if all this stuff was put into production
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  Speaker 1: when it looked like the reboot was happening. Oh. And
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  Speaker 1: now it's not. Because also... I saw there's a Buffy
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  Speaker 1: children's book that's coming out. All of this ancillary merch,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm guessing could be for millennials who are now
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  Speaker 1: having kids. That's a huge market. I'm seeing my brother
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  Speaker 1: and his wife go through it with Harry Potter for
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  Speaker 1: my nephew, which is unfortunate. But I do think that
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  Speaker 1: They were, you know, maybe anticipating this sort of Buffy
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  Speaker 1: renaissance that, you know, is always happening for me, but
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  Speaker 1: is not necessarily happening on a larger cultural platform.
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  Speaker 2: Mad props to the hustle slash light grift of whoever
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  Speaker 2: is licensing Buffy. It's Disney.
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  Speaker 1: Disney owns Buffy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so like, then I kind of love that they
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  Speaker 2: were kind of like, yeah, you can have this license. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can make a doll. Yeah, you can make this
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  Speaker 2: children's book, probably fully knowing that it was Ova Canova Shanova.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, the Buffy of it all, like, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: these dolls, extremely affordable, affordable. For two, two for a
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  Speaker 2: hundred bucks, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have to be a member.
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  Speaker 1: People are pissed about Angel's molded hair rather than rooted hair.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really care. I don't really see it for
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  Speaker 1: him anyway.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, it makes sense to me to be molded.
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  Speaker 2: He's a boy.
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  Speaker 1: And then, okay. A thing that I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 1: love Monster High. I have a few Monster High dolls.
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  Speaker 1: Like I have an alien one that they released last
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  Speaker 1: year of the Xenomorph. And one thing that they do
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  Speaker 1: that annoys me is they have these, this thing that
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  Speaker 1: they do with the shoes that, where the shoes, the
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  Speaker 1: heels are always like an object. So like on the
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  Speaker 1: Buffy shoe, the heels are like the scythe that she
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  Speaker 1: gets at the end of the final season. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: just give her a boot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just give her a boot, please.
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  Speaker 1: Buffy was always slaying in a sensible boot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes a not so sensible boot.
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  Speaker 2: Much like Emma Watson's, you know, creative influence on the
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  Speaker 2: live action Beauty and the Beast, women are not in heels.
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  Speaker 2: They're in boots. Okay. God, I will.
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  Speaker 1: Never forgive her for what she contributed to that film
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  Speaker 1: by making Belle uncorseted and in that disgusting yellow chiffon dress.
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  Speaker 2: Was that like basically the end of Emma Watson's career?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she basically... Well, she was.
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  Speaker 1: In Little Women.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 1: And also she literally... And now she has a whiskey brand,
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  Speaker 1: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. I mean, of course she, after Harry Potter,
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  Speaker 2: literally never has to work again. So she went to college. Oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: that was during Harry Potter. I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I guess since we've invoked it, I do kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to talk about the recent, you know, Harry
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  Speaker 1: Potter casting news.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we must.
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  Speaker 1: So we all know that this new Harry Potter series
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  Speaker 1: is coming out on HBO Max at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year. It has been very disappointing to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of big name Hollywood actors lend their, you to
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle that will only make JK Rowling richer and
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  Speaker 1: make her more able to fund discrimination suits against trans people.
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  Speaker 1: There is literally, I don't know if people listening know this,
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  Speaker 1: JK Rowling has a website where people can apply for
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  Speaker 1: money to fund lawsuits against their workplaces who insist on
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  Speaker 1: creating single single sex bathroom spaces or who allow trans
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  Speaker 1: people to use their bathrooms. So anyone who doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: that JK Rowling is profiting off this new series and
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  Speaker 1: directly using that money to fund her transphobia is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And that is proven. She says it herself. So the
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  Speaker 1: biggest hit recently was it was announced that Nicholas Holt,
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  Speaker 1: who is definitely one of the sort of like internet boyfriends,
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  Speaker 1: like white guy of the month kind of, And up
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  Speaker 1: until this moment, a kind of unproblematic fave. Yes, who
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  Speaker 1: wore leather pants last year on the Superman press tour
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  Speaker 1: and was really hot. He was announced to be playing
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  Speaker 1: Gilderoy Lockhart in the second season of the Harry Potter show.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was very disappointed. And then just yesterday, that was revoked.
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  Speaker 1: We were told... that he was backing out due to
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  Speaker 1: scheduling issues sure kit harrington aka john snow would be
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: taking over which i think is hilarious because kid herring
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  Speaker 1: is also in the audible harry potter uh like audio
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  Speaker 1: drama that has also created a lot of um you
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  Speaker 1: know messiness for actors there's a There's a production series
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  Speaker 1: of all of the Harry Potter books with full casts.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the Keira Knightley drama started because she was
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  Speaker 1: cast in it. So he clearly doesn't give a fuck. Well,
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  Speaker 1: who did Kit play in the audio drama?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, actually.
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  Speaker 2: I'll look it up. But I, of course, it would be, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: a gay guy that does this.
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  Speaker 1: Kit Harington is not gay. Girl. Girl.
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  Speaker 2: He's gay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think so? He's married to Ygritte from Game
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  Speaker 1: of Thrones.
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  Speaker 2: Gay guys love to get married to women.
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  Speaker 1: What is your evidence that he's gay?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he looks like a gay guy and he kind
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  Speaker 2: of talks and acts like a gay guy.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's just because he's British. Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 2: Am I mistaking him for the other Game of Thrones
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  Speaker 2: gay guy?
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  Speaker 1: Probably.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the other gay guy from Game of Thrones who's
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  Speaker 2: also a gay guy and looks exactly the same but
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  Speaker 2: has a different name?
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  Speaker 1: Richard Madden.
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  Speaker 2: Richard Madden. I always get them confused.
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  Speaker 1: Different person.
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  Speaker 2: But Richard Madden's actually gay, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, allegedly. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was speculating. But I literally thought that
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  Speaker 2: was verified. It's not.
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  Speaker 1: But it's sort of like an open secret. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: like Anderson Cooper-ing. Kit Harington is very heterosexual. He was
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  Speaker 1: on the most recent season of Industry. The most recent
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: two seasons of Industry as Yasmin's. Fail husband.
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  Speaker 2: He was so good, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: He was so good. And he's going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the final season. But now he's dead to us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He played Lockhart in the audio drama as well,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes sense. And I'm sure he's making a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. And that is not a reason to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: take a job like this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After the Nicholas Holt casting... Ali Panku, who is, I think,
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  Speaker 1: a mutual of both of ours, is a very well-known
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  Speaker 1: career director, revealed that she had been asked to direct
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  Speaker 1: an episode of the show, and she screenshotted the text
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  Speaker 1: exchange between her and her agent in which they asked her,
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  Speaker 1: and her response was, absolutely fucking not.
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  Speaker 2: Love!
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  Speaker 1: That was it. Sickening. And in that post, she said,
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  Speaker 1: It is simply this easy to say no to funding transphobia.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, this is a director who, for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, directs TV episodes. It's definitely a working director,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sure needs the work, needs the money.
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter.
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  Speaker 1: Needs the credits. And still said no. Because it is
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  Speaker 1: that easy. So if it's that easy for someone at
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  Speaker 1: that level to say no, someone like Nicholas Holt, who
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  Speaker 1: Although he backed out, said yes in the first place,
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Holt or Kit Harington, who have millions of dollars
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: from these fucking franchise movies and TV shows that they do,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: they could say no just as easily. And so could
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you to watching the show. Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, the thing is, Rose and I are
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: going to watch it for you, so you don't have to.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: We're going to watch a pirated version.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: We need to have a conversation about this.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe we won't. But I feel like if
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we pirated it and then annotated it, Like, that's ethical.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: For me, it's become less about it being ethical and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: more about how I would feel talking about it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the most important thing to be said
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is that it's going to be fucking bad and boring.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And so it's really not worth any of our time
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: at all, even though it is tempting to hate watch.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's coming out at the end of this year, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: what's coming out before it is the Gilded Age season four,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: which it was announced today is premiering November 1st. So
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: why watch Harry Potter when you could watch The Gilded Age?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: And mind you, when you watch an episode of The
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Gilded Age this upcoming season, you will know that these
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: actors in a single episode are breathing the same air
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: as Rose Damu.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, and likely made a hundredth of what the people
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: on the Harry Potter show are making.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Exactly.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But we love them for it. Except maybe for Cynthia Nixon,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: although I'm sure she took a pay cut. Right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot that Cynthia Nixon is joining. That's going
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to be... No, she... Oh, I... Oh my God, when
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you said Cynthia Nixon, I thought Cynthia Erivo. I was like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Erivo is going to be in the Gilded Age?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: That sounds great. I would love that, honestly.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: She could be a friend of Peggy's, but the thing is,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: she would have to take out her fucking nose ring
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and not have nails. And I don't think she would
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: ever do either of those things.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: She didn't have a nose ring in Wicked, though. I know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but she literally always has it on every fucking red carpet. Famously,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: she has, like, you know, a dozen piercings in each ear,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and instead of removing the piercings, she got a prosthetic
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: ear put over her ear.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I guess, well, her ears need to be green, so, like,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense for Wicked.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, why not? But the other, I will say, like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Erivo, like, I've never seen Gilded Age really, like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: a full episode, but Cynthia Erivo has the kind of, like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: actorial stage drama kind of like acting style that I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: think would work for a Gilded Age kind of moment.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I could maybe see her playing like Peggy's friend or like.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: She would play a gay girl for sure. Yeah, she
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: would play like a bombshell.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Lesbian love interest. Although I would rather if Peggy and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Marion got together.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're shipping.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: We're shipping characters Fran has no idea who they are.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I know that they are women.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: That's true. And that's all that matters.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Last week when we were recording our bonus episode, Fran
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and I watched X-Men The Last Stand. What is there
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to say? While I do think we're going to save
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: our more in-depth thoughts for a future bonus episode on X-Men...
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: as we're about to be entering the X-Men era with
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the new MCU X-Men, and I'm currently reading the Chris
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Claremont X-Men comics from the 70s. So we watched X-Men
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The Last Stand because Fran had never seen it. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it probably since 2007, 2008, a couple years
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: after it originally came out. And whoa, is that movie bad.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's effective to talk about it in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the main episode because this is not a film that
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: would warrant an extended conversation in our X-Men deep dive
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: on Patreon.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of the only extended way I would want
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to talk about it is sort of like the ways
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in which it betrays the characters. And I do think
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's better to talk about in an episode with more
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: context about the X-Men. Like, I don't want to be like, saying, like, well,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Storm would never do this. And, you know, like, this, like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: sort of brief conversation we're talking about. But let's just
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: be said, having, like, a fucking mutant with super speed
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: be able to beat Storm up is crazy. She's an
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Omega-level mutant.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And, well, there's the canon stuff, and there's also the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: extremely important note that in this film more than any
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: other film, Jean Grey really, really, really looks like Nicole
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Page Brooks. And it's really, really staggering. She looks so
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: alarmingly like Nicole Page Brooks. We will post a side
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: by side for you, dearest virgins. But yeah, I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Jean Grey was kind of done the dirtiest in this film.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: If you're not familiar, actually, I'll let you explain Dark
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Phoenix to the virgins. But the Dark Phoenix iteration is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the biggest, is something that everyone talks about as one
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: of the worst kind of iterations of the X-Men canon.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dark Phoenix, the entirety of the Phoenix saga has
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: only ever been properly adapted once, in my opinion, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that is in the original X-Men animated series from the 90s,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of which X-Men 97 is a continuation. What we got
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in X3 in... Dark Phoenix, you know, with the sort
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of newer film starring Sophie Turner. These have all been
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: terrible bastardizations of the Phoenix saga. X-Men The Last Stand,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a big part of the problem is that it tries
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to cram a bunch of different comic storylines into one
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: movie between the Phoenix saga, the cure, and it does
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: them all wrong. And it just ultimately... you could make
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: an argument for it if it was a good story,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not a good movie. It has
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: moments of sort of camp ridiculousness, like when Juggernaut says,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm the Juggernaut, bitch! But otherwise, it's fucking terrible. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: they made Iceman straight.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Angel, who I know is canonically straight, but
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: looks like a gay porn star. It's so, whatever. I'm like, Angel,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to me, is one of the cooler X-Men, even though he's, like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: kind of the, like, not super powerful or, like, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: don't know if he has, like, as much of, if
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: he's necessarily a fan favorite.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, he is. He's one of the original, like, founding
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: members of the X-Men. And, like, one of the things
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: about Angel is, like, he's supposed to be this kind of, like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: incredibly pure person, like, You look at him, he literally
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: looks like an angel. And so that's supposed to be
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: juxtaposed with the ugliness of humans hating mutants. It's also,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I believe this is true in the comics, that his
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: family is actually very supportive of him as a mutant.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And yet in this film, they have his father be
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the one who invented the cure. It's just stupid.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But he really does look like specifically an early
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: 2000s gay porn star. Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It's just a combo of things, but yeah, I don't know. I,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like, um, you also, when we were watching
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the film pointed out just that the way the climax
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: kind of culminates in this like giant battle kind of
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: leads these two terrains of mutants that are battling each other, um,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Neither of them really... The stakes of what they're doing
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: don't totally make sense because the Magneto side of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: mutants are battling to usurp the cure.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They want to destroy the cure and the entire facility
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that makes it. And the X-Men are protecting them. Yes.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Why would they protect the cure? They would protect humans.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's maybe.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Part of the X-Men DNA is that they do... They're cops.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: They do protect mutants from... They do protect humans from, quote-unquote,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: evil mutants. Sure. But in this storyline in which they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: literally trying to eradicate mutants, I just don't believe... No.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They would be.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You know, with only, what, six of them, I think,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they have in that team at the end, it just.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It's so dumb. Every part of that movie is dumb.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I hate what they do to Rogue. I hate what
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: they do to Jean and Scott. I hate what they
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: do to Mystique. girl mystique losing her powers and then
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: turning on magneto fuck that well girl i mean mystique
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: loses her powers essentially neutering her magneto loses his powers
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: i know in the after credit scene it shows that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: he's like getting them back but like there was no
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: follow-up so that's basically the end of his story well
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: there i mean there is a follow-up because days of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: future past it follows the canon so we know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: That oh it does yeah but it doesn't have ian
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: mckellen yeah no Oh, I totally forgot what that... I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: think I watched it high. But also needs to be
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: said that they kind of kill Jean Grey. They for
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: sure kill Cyclops and Professor Xavier.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're... I mean, the thing about death with
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: any comics characters is it doesn't last. The thing about death.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: These people all come back. And also, at the end
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of Days of Future Past, because they changed the past...
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Professor X, Cyclops, and Jean are all back alive in
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that canon. Now, we don't know what the canon of
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the X-Men will be when we get to Avengers Doomsday
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: at the end of this year, when some of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: original Fox X-Men characters are going to be in it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's going to be some bullshit.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see. It's going to be some bullshit. If we're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: punctuating the X-Men conversation, can I talk to you about
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a Gasp docuseries that I watched?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You watching a docuseries? I know.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Rose and I famously do not consume nonfiction video media.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, Rose does not consume any nonfiction whatsoever. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: love nonfiction books, but it obviously took my boyfriend to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: say like, oh, this docu-series is really good. It's called
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Ren Faire on HBO Max.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, based off the name alone, I'm halfway sold.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Baby, I literally had no idea what to expect, but
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: this is a documentary about a three-part documentary, like one
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: long movie about about the, I believe, yeah, about America's
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: largest Renaissance festival and essentially the originator of the Ren
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Faire entity that was then replicated across the country and
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: how it is run by a guy named George who
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: everyone calls King George and he himself essentially kind of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: believes himself to be king. He's treated like a king.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And because this Ren Faire entity has been going for
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: so long, it was incorporated into essentially a literal town.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And he invented a literal town that the Ren Faire
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: sits at that he is the actual mayor of. The
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: corruption is kind of cuckoo, but he read Walt Disney's
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: book and then replicated it in Ren Faire.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Well, Walt Disney was famously kind of an evil mastermind.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Well, exactly. It must be said. And girl, we're not
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: like docuseries divas.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: No, I fucking hate documentaries.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry. This felt like fiction. If you sat me down
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and I had no context on it and you were like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: this is fiction. This is a TV show. I would never,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: not once, think otherwise. Because the characters are so unbelievably rich.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: rich in quality and weirdness, they're all beholden to this
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: kind of cult-like myth of the Renaissance Faire. And the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: story enters when King George, who is like 84 or something,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: is basically deciding on his succession. And so he's trying
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to figure out, it's like literally a Game of Thrones.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: He's trying to figure out if the Ren Faire will
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: go to His general manager who started at the Renfrew
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: when he was 16 years old and has been doing
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it for almost 25 years or something like that. Or
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: his other general manager named Darla who started when she
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was 18 years old. And all of these characters are
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: in their 50s and 60s.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm on Team Darla already.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I know. Darla is actually the most sane character in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the series. Or... Dark Horse.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: The.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Louis, the Lord of Corn, because he got his start
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: making popcorn for the Ren Faire and then became kind
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of like the head of like development and tech for
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the Ren Faire.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Talk about rags to riches.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Corn to riches. Corn to power.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Well, not actually because the Lord of Corn, Louis, actually
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: has a trust fund and his parents, he's trying to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: ask his parents to borrow money to buy the Ren Faire. Oh. Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So it's a really, really interesting kind of like, it's just,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it was so, I'm someone who doesn't consume documentaries and
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: this like, I was riveted. I could not step away. Okay.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I will, I will definitely check it out.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Have you, have you been to a Ren Faire before?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I think you have.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Well, What kind of question is that, Fred?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Look, we've never really talked about, I mean, you've mentioned Renfrews,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: we talked about Renfrews, we talked about medievalism, all these things,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: but I've actually never heard about you having a Renfrew experience.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I myself have never had one.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, I fucking love Renfrews. We used to go
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: on school trips to them.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Wait, in Florida?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Have you been, is there one in New York? Is
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: there like one that's- There.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Is one in New York. I actually think it's going
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: on right now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: What i know i.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Wish i i think this has been the thing for
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like the past couple years it's like it's always the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: same time as doll invasion it's always the end of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the summer which is like not necessarily when i want
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to be outdoors in the sun and like a really
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: like heavy flowy outfit no i feel like it's more
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of an autumnal vibe medieval times is not a renfrew No,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: but I would really love... It's a theme park? No,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it's a dinner show.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: It's not good. I've been once. But it's obviously.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I really want to go.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It's really camp. It's high camp. It's a great photo opportunity.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: It's good to go if you're really, really under the
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: influence of something.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe for my next birthday.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that would actually maybe be... I mean, we would
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: have to figure out the transportation situation. I think that's
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: kind of the annoying part.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I'll get a, you know, like a sprinter van.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, please, you would be, you know, Queen Rose
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: or Princess Rose. They kind of give you title. You
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: can get a title.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I think you can pay to get a... See, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be the queen or the princess. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: would want to be like the castle witch, you know?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I want to be like the sorceress. I don't know
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: if witch is an option. I think you can only
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: be a lady.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: What about the executioner?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I think you can only be a lady.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Can I be a lady knight?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe because of feminism.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Like sort of a Joan of Arc vibe?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I personally would like that. That's what I would like.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Because I have the Joan of Arc hair currently.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, you literally do. We need one of those kind
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of chainmail skull caps. Those are kind of cunt, I've
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: recently learned.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it would tear so much
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of your hair out when you took it off.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: No, I tried one on at Honcho and... Uh, it
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: is really heavy, but that's really the only issue. It's,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it's not, it wasn't really plucking hairs. I think a
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: well-made one should not be plucking your hair.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It would make, it would make packing a nightmare. Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Your suitcase would be so heavy. Yeah. One of the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: great things about doll invasion is like, I'm just going
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: to throw a bunch of slutty scraps of. clothing into
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a suitcase and, you know, figure it out when I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: get to the island.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Literally same. I have like a light packing list, but
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: it's all like equipment. I have nothing that's like clothes
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: or personal items on my packing list so far. Yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I think that medieval times would maybe be fun. A
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Ren Faire, I think both kind of, there's a, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: as kind of conveyed in the docu-series, there's this really
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: uncanny valley kind of like sadness at a Ren Faire
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: or Medieval Times kind of diva. It's kind of like
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: going to the zoo where you're like, oh, this zoo
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: is fun, but these animals are not happy.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the things about Ren Faires is like
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: they're essentially, it's essentially like a farmer's market with performers.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's all about commerce. A LARPer's market.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. There are, you know, shows and that kind of stuff,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: but it is largely about buying people food and wares, um,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and just sort of being able to vibe in costume,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: which I love. I mean, don't get me wrong. I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: want to be wearing like a, you know, like a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: big poofy gown and shopping while drinking mead. Who doesn't? Absolutely.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Um, okay.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I really like that recommendation. I would also like
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to recommend some books, maybe not for you, but for.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Our, our audience, um, Our audience that loves reading.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked about on our recent Patreon, like Girls Girling,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: about a book that I loved and a book that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I hated. And I'm actually here with two books that
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I loved that I just read. The first one is
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Summer Suns by Lee Mandello, which is the way I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: would describe it is kind of like dark academia, the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: secret history meets the fast and the furious with ghosts.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So it's like Southern Gothic and also gay. Well, like
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: homoerotic to gay.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Love, kind of, all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. It's about this 22-year-old who's about
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: to start grad school. He was supposed to start with
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: his adoptive brother, best friend, who he was maybe secretly
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: in love with. who died by suicide two weeks ago.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: He has now inherited all of his friend's money, including
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a house that he shares with a roommate who also
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: goes to the same school. And he, you know, is
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: super depressed that his friend is dead and goes to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the school only so he can investigate and figure out
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: how he died because he doesn't believe that he would
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: have actually killed himself. And he has kind of proof
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of that because he and the best friend both had
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a sort of supernatural power that allows them to see
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and communicate with ghosts. He falls in with a group
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: of friends that he made at college who are all
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: very into street racing and souping up cars. And it's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: very sexy, very spooky, really atmospheric. You can you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: sort of feel like the muggy, like late summer sweat
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: on your skin and smell the motor oil. Highly recommend.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Can I, I have two asides on this. First and foremost,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the virgins must know that Rose has never seen a
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Fast and Furious movie. And I think I've seen maybe one,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: possibly two, but I was so stoned that I remember nothing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Should we watch, should we do a bonus episode on
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I was about to say that These films are beloved
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: by trans community, but I think what is actually... true
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is that there was a transgender anthology of Fast and
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Furious fan fiction called Too Trans Too Furious.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. Anthology.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: That's also the title of my autobiography.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: It was edited by fellow podcaster Tuck Woodstock. Oh, Two Trans,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Two Furious. Yeah. And 40 trans writers kind of like
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: write about the deeper meanings of the Fast and Furious
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and gender. I need to read that. Very titane. If
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I do say so myself. But my other question for
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you was, if you inherited a bunch of money and
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: property tomorrow, what would you do? I guess it would
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: kind of depend on the amount of money, huh?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Should we determine how much money? I've
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: thought about this a lot. Yeah. Can you tell me
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the amount?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say, well, keep in mind, dear virgins,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we live in New York City. So like a million
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: dollars actually really isn't that much money. Actually, like even
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: like $ 5 million isn't maybe even that much money.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're going to need to go 10
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: or up.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be 10 or up. I'm
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: going to say 10 to 20. That's a huge gap.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Let's say 20.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Let's say 20. Okay.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I inherit 20 million. First thing I do, find an
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: evil money manager to handle the money for me.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Make sure that tax stuff is all taken care of.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I'm investing it properly, whatever. Tell me where to put
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it so that it can keep accumulating. Right. Then I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: buying myself a home, maybe two.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: You would. You would immediately kind of go for a property.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Immediately invest in property.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: In cash, yeah. Okay.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Property and cash because property is the safest investment you
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: can make.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I would buy probably like a home for my mom,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like a really nice, and I guess like maybe for
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: my dad, just so I don't have to think about
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: him ever again. Then I would get my entire body done.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I would like find one of those like plastic surgery,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: like agents that exist who can like, like take care
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of all the scheduling and stuff for you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: They just 3D print your body and then you have, yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: your concierge.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I want my concierge to like schedule all the appointments
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and be like, okay, Rose, you are for the next
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: six months, you are going in a cocoon. And when
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you come out, you will be a butterfly. Yeah. Literally.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably more than six months. A year.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And then after that year, you and me, we're going
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: on a trip.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Baby.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: We're going on like a six-month vacation. We're definitely spending
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: our money very similarly.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I would not buy multiple properties. I would get one
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: brownstone in New York in cash. I think a lot
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of the money would for sure go to vacations. As
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you have also said, I think a lot of this
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: would be going to vacations, group trips, For the rest
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of my life, I think vacation is one of the-
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Are you buying a Birkin? No. I think Birkins are stupid.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I know, but like just because.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: No, listen, I- Okay.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So you could piss in it?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Aside to the aside, I recently argued with friend of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the pod, James Scully, about this because- James was looking
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: at vintage Birkins. He was thinking about investing in one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: He had dreamed about it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: What?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Isn't that so random? Isn't that so random? That's so weird.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine. Baby, this is what happens when you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: make TV money. You start to have intrusive, nasty little thoughts.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to text him and tell him not to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: buy a Birkin. Well, okay. So here, it must be
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: said that the lore and the fashion history of Birkins
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: is cool. And there are so many different editions and
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: styles and... um, her stories behind Birkin's over the last, like,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like decades, however long, you know, lady Birkin
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: has been making them. I can't remember what her name,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Jane Birkin, Jane Birkin, creative, the Birkin at Hermes, um,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: inspirer of the Birkin. Oh, sorry. Um, right. It goes
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: to show how much I know. Um, but to me,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Birkin's are like extremely, extremely evil. Um, because it doesn't
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: matter how many mental gymnastics you as a wealthy consumer
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: do to justify the price point of said Birkin, which
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: obviously range from like $ 14, 000 to like over a hundred
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Like, um, Easily. Easily.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: They can be much more for the rare skins, colorways.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: If you want a nice Birkin, you're dropping at least 40K, maybe.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And that's on the low end, right?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: But to me, they're really, really evil because it doesn't
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: matter how many times luxury entities will tell you, it's handmade,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it's the history, it's luxury, it's the, It's all the quality, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, this is a status symbol, and you're
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: buying it because everyone will know that you can afford
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a Birkin. It is truly extremely evil to me because,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and I think even you can agree with me on this, Rose,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: there are a babillion other purses and bags that will cost...
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: That are just as sexy, cute, luxurious, incredible status symbols
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: that will cost.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: $ 1, 000, $ 2, 000.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: $ 3, 000. Absolutely. You know what I mean?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I have bags in my collection that I would rather
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: wear than a Birkin.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And that's what I told James. I was like, there's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: no reason to get a Birkin when you can get
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: a bag that is just as fucking sickening for like
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: a tenth of the price. But.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: If someone handed me $ 20 million, I would buy a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Birkin and keep it next to my bed to toss
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: cum rags into. Right.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: That I'd love.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Or I would like, I would use it as like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a dog bag when I get like a little, a
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: little yappy dog.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Or a cat and I get allergy shots so that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not allergic to cats anymore. And then I carry
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: a cat around in a Birkin and I say, is
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: this pussy or what?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Or you buy the Birkin, you do a TikTok live
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of you using black permanent marker to draw gay porn
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: all over it and go viral.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: So in this fantasy, I buy a Birkin that isn't black?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: That's not realistic.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, right. You want a plain black Birkin?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That's so stupid to me.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, black platinum hardware.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I can't get behind it. I can't endorse. I would
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: not be buying a Birkin. I would for sure probably
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: have style support. Oh yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: We're, we're getting stylists. I'm actually, when I have that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: kind of money, I'm, I'm getting a stylist on retainer
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: who works with everyone I know so that I never
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: have to see ugly clothing.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I want a stylist because I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: do the thing about, what.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: About a buyer?
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. I need a,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I would want a shopper because I want to, I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: want to retain my personal style and be able to,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: claim it in such a way. I mean, obviously like
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: image architects, stylists, whatever, like their credit is due to them, whatever.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: But like, I'm just like, I would really want to
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: preserve the things that I like about clothes instead of
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: like having someone choose all my outfits for me, which
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I think would be.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't, I don't necessarily want someone choosing my
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: outfits for me. It's more that I want someone to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: curate options. Like I want someone to collect clothes, put
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: them on a rack in my, you know, house sized
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: walk-in closet right so then i can walk in and
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: say like okay i want this one this one this
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: one this one take all.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: The rest um no that's so true and that's literally
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: what stylists do as you as you've noted and um
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: but i yeah like is there anything else crazy i
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: would get i would just really love to not pay
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: rent i would love to have a personal assistant like
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: really i think that's really important to me i would
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: love to go on vacation with my.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I would buy a car.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would buy a car.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I would buy a car.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I don't like the thing is the more you buy,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the more upkeep you have to do. And I know
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: it's someone else to manage, but that's like more like money.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: So much of the evil of money is that it
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: like snowballs and you are told that to be a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: part of like money culture, you must buy more, buy more,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: have more, have more, have more. But then you have
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: to pay more to upkeep them more. And that's like
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: so sinister.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm immediately putting a lot of my
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: money in a place where I can't touch it and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: investing it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: That's where the money manager comes.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: But I am buying a property on Fire Island.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I for sure would have a personal accountant finance person.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would buy on Fire Island.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I think I would much rather have the, even though
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it's more expensive, I'd much rather have the flexibility of
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: being to rent anywhere I want. As opposed to having
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: another property that I have to upkeep and report to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and worry about.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: When you have enough money, like, renting is how they
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: keep us poor. When you have the money, you gotta buy. Oh, no.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But I want a.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Vacation in places that... Yeah, no, no. Okay. Your point stands.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Your point stands. Okay. I have to.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I do want to give my other book rec, but
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: this did remind me of something that... really struck me
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: in this YouTube video that I watched the other day
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that I highly want to recommend. I think it's called
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: The Bisexual Problem. It's by Verily Bitchy, a YouTuber who
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I've spoken about on this podcast before. And in the video,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it starts as a video about how media depictions of
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: bisexual people are incredibly flawed because we haven't figured out
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: how to visually represent bisexual people. And what it does
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in a really genius way is start off talking about
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: this thing that exists as a problem in media, a
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: problem in fiction, and then really pulls back to show
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: how this is sort of this cyclical thing that leads
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to bisexual people being invalidated in real life. And the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: really startling example that they use is that bisexual people
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: seeking political asylum are often turned.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Away because.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Institutions see bisexuality as something you do, not as something
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: that's who you are. And that really, a big part
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of the thesis is that, like, the problem with contemporary
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: bisexuality is that we are just too divisive and too identity-pilled. But,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this got into sort of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like the nuclear family and sort of how bisexuals are
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: so problematized because they don't fit into these social structures
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and sort of investigating why these social structures exist to
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: begin with. They said something that like really stuck out
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to me and something I've never really thought about before,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: which is like the reason why the family exists and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: is so important in our, in our social structure is
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: because the family privatizes care so that instead of the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: state caring for us, we are told that we have
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to care for our families. Rather than the state needing
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to support us literally with food and water, those things
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: have to be supported by the institution of the family.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: So that institution must be protected. That's why we have
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: conservative values and family first. It's because the state wants
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to outsource that care to the individual and I've just
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: been like it maybe is like very 101 but I've
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: really been reeling from it for the past couple days.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's 101 at all I think that
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: you to be honest like I think that that is
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: like something that is like if I could force every
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: single person on the planet to understand one like a
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: handful of my ideals like that would be one of
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: them is that like I mean there is this the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: institution of the nuclear family and why everyone in America
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: believes that if you're not in a nuclear family unit,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: you are some kind of failure, is an idea that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: is also, if you want like more reading on this,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, Rose won't read it because it's a nonfiction,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: but if you want to read How We Show Up
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: by Mia Birdsong, which is about just deprivatizing care, essentially,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like what could it look like for you to push
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: against the toxic individualism that is kind of like preserved
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: in a traditional family unit. And within that, like causing
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: mothers to feel incredibly isolated, to take on an insurmountable
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: amount of the care and not, you know, and to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: just be happy with it. For all of their ability
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to have friendships and relationships outside of the family, completely,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: totally gone. For friends to seek mentors outside of their parents,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: for anybody who is not in a family unit, who
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: does not have a husband, a wife, a kid, et cetera,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: to essentially, I know this is really corny, but to
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: redefine family and to understand that belonging to a greater
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: system of care is a part of how you protect
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: yourself from the lie of the American dream, because most
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: people will, I mean, by most people, it's not going
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to be really, maybe that many people listen to this podcast,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: but if you have ever aspired to get married and
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: have kids, most people that get married and have kids
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: will end up extremely unhappy, extremely unhappy. And you'll tell yourself,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you're so happy. You'll tell yourself, oh my God, this
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is what I've ever wanted. But like the quiet part
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of you will over time feel lonely, isolated, depressed, exhausted. Like,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: like you don't have friends, you don't have relationships, like
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you don't have eroticism, like all these different things. And yeah, anyways,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I love that. I also want to ask one thing
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: in this YouTube video did to me, there's like this
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: thing that's happening with bisexuality, bisexuality right now in that
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's over the last couple of years been
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: like reappraised. Like, I think that bisexuality historically is like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: scorned as an identity. There's a lot of bisexual as
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: punchline kind of jokes that we might make on the internet.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: And in addition to that, in bisexual advocacy era, a
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: problematization of bisexuality as an identity being like, oh, this
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: excludes trans people or this is binary, which is not
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: really how bisexuals think about it today. But I think
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: that after that moment in very recent memory, at least
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: in New York circles, being like bisexual is cool again
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: and kind of like the apex of like orientation.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think bisexual sort of like aesthetics are maybe
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: fashionable and everyone kind of wants like the stolen valor
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: of bisexuality.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also really aspirational to be attracted to everything.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, but I think one of the great things that
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: this video essay does is talk about the ways.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: In which- It's been scorned.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Even that maybe reappraisal of bisexuality is still very much
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: hung up on all of the bisexual tropes that exist
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: in media and in culture, that it's a choice and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: that You know, it uses things like the frog theory
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: in which like every person you've ever dated is a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: frog and your one true love is the person who
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: ultimately end up with and that's the only important relationship
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you'll ever have. And how that gets grafted onto bisexuals
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  Speaker 1: where like they could date people of every gender, but
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  Speaker 1: then the person that they are in a relationship with
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: currently is seen as the proof of what their actual
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: sexuality is.
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  Speaker 2: Very that.
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  Speaker 1: This is a rambling conversation about bisexuality, but I definitely
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  Speaker 1: recommend watching this video. It actually, the parts in which
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: they talk about, you know, refugees, like is really emotional.
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  Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. But back to books quickly, the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: other book that I wanted to recommend, which was one
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  Speaker 1: that I gave five stars, like this to me is
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: like now one of my favorite books I've read in
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a long time. Maybe one of my favorites I've read ever.
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  Speaker 1: It's Red X by David Demchuk, which came out in 2021.
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  Speaker 1: It takes place in Toronto from the 80s through like 2016.
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  Speaker 1: And it intersperses narrative with nonfiction. So the author kind
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  Speaker 1: of weaves himself into the story in between the there
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  Speaker 1: are these what seem to be like essays or journal
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  Speaker 1: entries or whatever of the author until ultimately like he
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  Speaker 1: becomes embroiled in the actual story towards the end, which
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: was a really interesting narrative device that I liked. But
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  Speaker 1: what it is, it's about Toronto from the 80s through
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  Speaker 1: modern day and the evolution of its queer community, queerness,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: queer neighborhood and an entity that is stalking Toronto, killing
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: gay men, sort of woven throughout the advent of AIDS,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the advent of contemporary queer politics. It's scary. It's sexy.
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  Speaker 1: It's haunting. There were It has a great ensemble of characters,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: all of whom I connected to, even the ones who
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: were only on the page for, you know, a brief moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's gross. It's, you know, moving. I just really loved it.
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  Speaker 1: The edition I read was just released recently, has a
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: great foreword by Gretchen Felger Martin, who listeners of the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: show know we are huge fans of. And to me,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: it's a masterpiece of contemporary gay fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Love. I mean, everything that you've said about it is
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: something that I want to read.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, put it on your spooky season TBR. It is
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the perfect spooky season read.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, can't wait for spooky season, Rose. Well, let me
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: tell you, much like Mariah Carey, when Doll Invasion is over,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: For us, the virgins, spooky season begins. it's time i.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Mean it's kind of already been time for me i
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of the phenomenon of augtober
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that's what we're calling it now that's not a thing
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  Speaker 1: but um do you see i bought a up here
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: there's a little um mickey pump jack-o'-lantern.
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  Speaker 2: No girl it's too early come on Well, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Why it's up there and not more prominently featured somewhere. Uh-huh.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: In September, she's moving up. September, all bets are off.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And also, I may have convinced Fran to come to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Halloween Horror Nights with me in October.
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  Speaker 2: I do have it blocked on my calendar already.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: So, divas, we could be giving you a Halloween Horror
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Nights episode in the future. It's time. It's time.
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  Speaker 2: Are there thrills and chills there? Do we get jump
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: scared in that theme park? Because I don't like that.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Halloween Horror Nights? It's just haunted houses. I have never
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: screamed so much in a single night. It's so fun.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: It's so cathartic to get scared. There's nothing like the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: feeling of walking out of a haunted house laughing hysterically.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Because of the endorphin and adrenaline rush of what you've
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: just been through. Oh my god, it's a high that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I cannot stop chasing.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about that. I do have it in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: my calendar. I want to do it.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going either way. So I would love
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: for you to be there.
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  Speaker 2: See you later.
• 1:00:41
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:49
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  Speaker 2: Bye.