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I Made A Decision to Heal Myself with Inna Segal · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gaming Person.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: Five four, three, two and one folks. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Very excited to have as my guest today.
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Speaker 1: Ina sigal Inina, Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much guy for having me.
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Speaker 1: You are welcome. Inina is an international acclaimed healer, author
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Speaker 1: and creator of the Secret Language of Your Body method,
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Speaker 1: a psychosomatic healing system that connects emotional and psychological patterns
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Speaker 1: to physical symptoms. With over twenty five years of clinical experience,
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Speaker 1: she blends intuitive insight with evidence informed practice to help
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Speaker 1: people transform chronic illness, emotional blocks, and life patterns into
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Speaker 1: lasting well being. She's taught presented worldwide, empowering individuals to
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Speaker 1: understand the deeper meanings behind their health embrace a more
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Speaker 1: conscious path to healing. She's the author of the book
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Speaker 1: titled The Secret Language of your Body, The Essential Guide
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Speaker 1: to Health and Wellness. You Know, Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Before we get going, share with the listeners, where you're
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Speaker 1: from originally and where you are currently.
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Speaker 2: I was born in Belarus originally, so I lived there
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Speaker 2: until I was nine, and I'm in Australia now, so
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Speaker 2: I now live in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, all right, So, yeah, how did all this
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Speaker 1: start for you? Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Well, for me, I was quite seek a different point
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Speaker 2: in my life, and I had digestive issues when I
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Speaker 2: was younger, which continued. I'm going to say they started
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Speaker 2: very early on. I remember being six and being in
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Speaker 2: the hospital with the doctors not really knowing what to do.
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Speaker 2: I got psorisis all over my skin, especially in my arms,
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Speaker 2: my elbows, my knees when I was about ten, and
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Speaker 2: I started getting back pain, in particular lower back pain
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Speaker 2: and sciatica where it's really painful and hard to walk
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Speaker 2: when I was about between fourteen and fifteen, and all
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Speaker 2: of this kind of culminated in lots of anxiety, and
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Speaker 2: so by the time I was eighteen, I ended up
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Speaker 2: meeting my husband, my first husband, i'm going to say,
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Speaker 2: because I've had more than one, and he opened the
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Speaker 2: door for a lot of alternative healing because I was
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Speaker 2: constantly in some kind of pain and so up until
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Speaker 2: then I was only going to medical doctors and looking
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Speaker 2: at it from the medical perspective. And at eighteen, all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, I started to go current practice all
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Speaker 2: sorts of you know, techniques like rolfing, particular massage techniques,
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Speaker 2: particular healing or kinesiology, just anything that he knew of
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Speaker 2: he took me to. And one of the things I
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Speaker 2: noticed was that I would sometimes get better, but eventually
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Speaker 2: or essentially, I would go back to feeling the way
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Speaker 2: that I did originally, or sometimes even worse. And then
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Speaker 2: when I was when I turned twenty, something pretty difficult
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Speaker 2: happened where at nineteen I got pregnant and I went
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Speaker 2: through the full term of pregnancy but then lost the child.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't actually know that this happened in Australia,
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Speaker 2: so I literally thought that there was something completely wrong
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Speaker 2: with me from having this experience, and I went into depression,
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Speaker 2: extra anxiety, wanting to die, just really struggling with waking
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Speaker 2: up or going to sleep or anything, and the pain
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Speaker 2: just exploded inside of my body. And so at that
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Speaker 2: point I was seeing a chiropractice out three times a week,
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Speaker 2: and I'd seen him for over a year and So
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Speaker 2: I woke up one day, which was my kind of
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Speaker 2: my turning point moment, and I got to his office.
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Speaker 2: It was it wasn't easy, I'm going to say, because
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Speaker 2: it was only a few minute drive, but I found
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Speaker 2: it very hard to be inside my body. So when
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Speaker 2: I got and when I say this, I just mean it. It
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Speaker 2: was just incredibly painful. And so I went to his
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Speaker 2: office and he came out and he knew the whole story.
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Speaker 2: He was aware of it. And he said to me,
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Speaker 2: you know, you know you're stuck. And I said to him, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with that part. I know that part. But
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Speaker 2: what are we going to do today to, you know,
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Speaker 2: to help me? And he stood outside for a few
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Speaker 2: moments and he was quite a wise man, but very calm,
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Speaker 2: and he said to me, there's nothing I can do
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Speaker 2: for you. Your body wants to be stuck. And this
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Speaker 2: was the thing that really shifted for me later, your
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Speaker 2: body wants to be stuck. Go home. And on the
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Speaker 2: way home, I was pretty angry. I'm going to say
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Speaker 2: I was enraged, but those words your body wants to
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Speaker 2: be stuck kind of kept playing over in my head,
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Speaker 2: taking me back into this place of maybe it's my responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Maybe somehow my body wants to be stuck. And there
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Speaker 2: was also this sense of I had been at that point,
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Speaker 2: I was studying linguistics, so I was going to UNI,
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Speaker 2: I was studying how to be a professional writer and
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Speaker 2: a journalist and so on, and you have to do
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Speaker 2: Linguistics is one of the subjects, and you have to
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Speaker 2: do a lot of research through, you know, through if
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Speaker 2: you want to write or be a journalists, or at
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Speaker 2: least you had to then, and you know, And so
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Speaker 2: as I was kind of reflecting, I would think through language,
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Speaker 2: and it kept occurring to me that my body is
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Speaker 2: speaking a language that I don't understand, that I'm not
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Speaker 2: in touch with that. I It's like it's speaking Japanese
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Speaker 2: where I am not even recognizing the characters of it.
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Speaker 2: That's how it felt. So on the way home, one
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Speaker 2: of the things that I did that I had never
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Speaker 2: done was that I made a decision to heal myself.
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Speaker 2: And even though I didn't know how to do that,
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Speaker 2: it was almost like that first step of recognizing that
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Speaker 2: somehow I have something to do with my health and
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Speaker 2: I have something to do with my own body, and
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Speaker 2: I could figure it out. I could find out what's
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Speaker 2: going on. And so when I got home, I literally
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Speaker 2: started by placing my hands on my back and giving
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Speaker 2: myself permission to breathe, because I realized that I was
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Speaker 2: always just when I did breathe, it was very, very shallow,
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Speaker 2: because it was like I didn't want to breathe and
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Speaker 2: I was too scared of feeling more pain essentially, And
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Speaker 2: so as I was breathing, and I'm going to say
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Speaker 2: it was more painful. As I was doing it, I
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Speaker 2: started to, I guess, acknowledge that the pain could give
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Speaker 2: me some inside and maybe there was a reason for it,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to no reason. And so as I was
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Speaker 2: doing that, and I was also I started counting backwards
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Speaker 2: from thirty because there was negativity in my mind too
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Speaker 2: about you know, who do you think you are? And
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Speaker 2: so no one could help you, but you think you
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Speaker 2: can help yourself, but you don't know how to do
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Speaker 2: it on all of this stuff. So I had to
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Speaker 2: just calm my mind down, and you know, so I
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Speaker 2: was doing that, and then this thought came into my mind,
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Speaker 2: I wonder if there is anything divine or higher than
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Speaker 2: me that would help me now, And there was a
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Speaker 2: lot of conflict in my mind around whether there is
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Speaker 2: something higher or divine in a sense of well, because
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Speaker 2: I had many thoughts full if there is God, why
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Speaker 2: like what have I done wrong for me to have
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Speaker 2: a child that dies? Like I don't understand. So it
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Speaker 2: was hard. But as I did ask that, I just
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Speaker 2: felt within moments like there was some warmth, like my
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Speaker 2: body was full of warmth, and there was some kind
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Speaker 2: of beginning of an unwinding. And because I had my
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Speaker 2: eyes closed, it just felt like if you go outside
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Speaker 2: and the sunlight. And so I thought to myself, Okay,
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Speaker 2: something smalls happening. And then for whatever reason, I had
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Speaker 2: this thought that came which was I wonder if I
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Speaker 2: could see my back, And it just came out of nowhere.
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Speaker 2: I had no expectations of this. And then all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden I could see my back and it was
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Speaker 2: your body, yeah, at the back of my body. Yet
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Speaker 2: it was always like this X ray vision, so I
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Speaker 2: could see where the ssaiatic nerve was pined. I could
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Speaker 2: see the I actually couldn't turn, so I was constantly
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Speaker 2: facing you know, particular side whatever pain you know, I
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Speaker 2: was experiencing. But I could see the inflammation and I
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Speaker 2: could see where the vertebrae were literally stuck. And so
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Speaker 2: my next question was not from a victim perspective, because
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Speaker 2: I'd done the victim thing a lot I was good
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Speaker 2: at that, from actually wanting to understand why do I
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Speaker 2: have this experience, like what's going on for me inside
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Speaker 2: my body? If my body could give me an answer.
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Speaker 2: And the only way I can describe this is kind
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Speaker 2: of like seeing a memory as well as a vision
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Speaker 2: as well as kind of wisdom. And I was given
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Speaker 2: this kind of vision of when I came to Australia,
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Speaker 2: I couldn't speak the language, so again language came up.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know one word of English and I was
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Speaker 2: really really bullied for it. And so it occurred to
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Speaker 2: me that that's when the psarrisis occurred. That's when I started.
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Speaker 2: Even though lots of people in my family have it,
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Speaker 2: so people would say, oh, it's a genetic, but it
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Speaker 2: actually started when I was bullied at school. So I
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Speaker 2: felt through this. This went on for quite a while,
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Speaker 2: all the different awarenesses about it and how it affected me.
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Speaker 2: And as I I acknowledged that I think enough on
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Speaker 2: that today, the image started to change into my back
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Speaker 2: pain and that I actually again I was aware that
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Speaker 2: I had that It began when I went to high school,
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Speaker 2: actually changed high schools, i'm going to say, and I
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Speaker 2: was bullied again, but not for the same reason, not
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Speaker 2: for not speaking English, but for coming from a family
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Speaker 2: that didn't have many means financially as opposed to the
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Speaker 2: people in the school who did. And so my friends
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Speaker 2: and I were all bullied for that reason, for coming
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Speaker 2: from Eastern Europe. And so it was that meets my
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Speaker 2: parents having constant conflicts within their own relationship and just
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Speaker 2: not being there in a way that I needed at
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Speaker 2: the time to have support or understanding or acknowledgment. And
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Speaker 2: I'd also had an experience where somebody had actually done
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Speaker 2: something sexually abusive to me, and my mum wasn't really
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Speaker 2: in a place to understand what it was. She just
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Speaker 2: said to me, Okay, don't go there again, don't talk
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Speaker 2: about it, type of things. So all of that got
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Speaker 2: suppressed and pushed away, and I realized that this is
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Speaker 2: where a lot of my back pain was coming from.
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Speaker 2: And then again the image changed and I became aware
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Speaker 2: of my grandparents and they had gone through the war
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Speaker 2: and a lot of loss of family and huge amount
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Speaker 2: of trauma. And this was very connected to my digestive system,
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Speaker 2: because when I had the experience of the child dying,
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Speaker 2: it was like my digestive system exploded. I couldn't eat food,
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Speaker 2: I just felt sick all the time. So it made
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Speaker 2: complete sense. And after this went on for hours and hours,
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Speaker 2: I was so exhausted I fell asleep. So the next
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Speaker 2: day when I woke up, most of the pain, about
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Speaker 2: seventy percent of the pain was gone, and my back
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Speaker 2: wasn't twisted. So I thought, oh my god, something's happening.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep going. So for the next few weeks,
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Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of journaling and writing because
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Speaker 2: I understand things. When I write it down, it kind
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Speaker 2: of becomes ridiclear for me. And so as I was
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Speaker 2: doing that, lots of things connected about my family, about myself,
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Speaker 2: about what I was believing, how I was just showing
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Speaker 2: up in life.
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Speaker 1: Let me just pause for a second here. So with
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Speaker 1: this experience of self awareness, what would you say was
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Speaker 1: going on for you? Were you accepting what was going on?
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Speaker 1: Were you were you in a state of desperation such
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Speaker 1: that you needed to what was going on?
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent that was a state of desperation. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna say, but it was almost like there was definitely
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Speaker 2: a new awareness. It almost sound like a new consciousness
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Speaker 2: that was arising. That was kind of it was like
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Speaker 2: the consciousness of me feeling like something's wrong with me,
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Speaker 2: I'm the victim, I've been hard done by was changing
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Speaker 2: into I want to understand this. This is starting to
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Speaker 2: make sense.
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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, that is I mean, first of all, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. What's the word for that?
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Speaker 1: I can't think of a better word than And it's
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Speaker 1: so freaking intense what you're going through. And it just
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Speaker 1: feels like it took so much courage to do that too.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting just that the courage because I didn't think so, but.
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Speaker 1: You were in it. You had to do it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh I'm going to be courageous and
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Speaker 1: do this all right, so you know, so how do
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Speaker 1: things unfold? Let's start getting into how at what point
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Speaker 1: were you like, Okay, I want to start teaching or
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Speaker 1: working in this field. Take us there.
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Speaker 2: Well, I definitely had this amazing experience. Obviously, of within
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Speaker 2: three weeks, no more back pain, Sarris has completely gone,
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Speaker 2: anxiety improved, dramatically, Well almost disappeared, I'm going to say,
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Speaker 2: and my digestive system improved a lot. And then I
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Speaker 2: realized just by accidents that I could see intell other
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Speaker 2: people's body is the same way that this kind I've
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Speaker 2: showed up for me. And there was definitely a sense
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Speaker 2: of well, I want to do something with this, so
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Speaker 2: I need to educate myself. And because there was no
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Speaker 2: university for it, and people say, well, where did you
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Speaker 2: study this? And it's like, well, I studied writing, and
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Speaker 2: I have diplomas and things that I can show you, right,
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Speaker 2: I have all the paperwork, but there was no such course.
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Speaker 1: That we're talking about. Being a medical intuitive. Is that
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Speaker 1: what it's called? Yeah, okay, And when you say you
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Speaker 1: can see into other people's bodies, clarify what you mean.
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Speaker 1: Explain for our listeners exactly what you mean when you
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Speaker 1: say that.
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Speaker 2: So, if let's say there's a person in front of
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Speaker 2: me and I'm tuning if I want to, that's not
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Speaker 2: how it happened at the beginning. But now if I
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Speaker 2: want to kind of chuin into them, I start to
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Speaker 2: focus on them and scan their body and their field,
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Speaker 2: let's just say, and so they'll be and I'll ask.
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Speaker 2: I'll say, okay, where do I start, because I want
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Speaker 2: to map. I want to map what's really going on
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Speaker 2: within them, and so it might be that I'll start
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Speaker 2: with their throat or thyroid or digestive system, because I
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Speaker 2: literally get shown this is the area, so it's almost
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Speaker 2: like it's circled for me. And so I'll start asking
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Speaker 2: questions because rather than making statement you have, you know,
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Speaker 2: statements you have this issue, I never do that. I
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Speaker 2: think that that's not how it works with most people.
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Speaker 2: I'll actually ask, you know, questions of do you have
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Speaker 2: issues Let's say around your stomach. I am seeing some
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Speaker 2: you know, let's say some density there. And we'll start
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Speaker 2: exploring as I ask these questions, because I mean, I
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Speaker 2: wrote a book about understanding the secret language of the body,
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Speaker 2: so I am very familiar with the fact that every
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Speaker 2: part of the body has wisdom and is representing something
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Speaker 2: based on what the body actually does and in terms
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Speaker 2: of its structure.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm sorry, how did you learn that you
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Speaker 1: had this? What skill? Gift? What do you what do
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Speaker 1: you refer to it?
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Speaker 2: As it was the funniest experience. I'm going to say
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Speaker 2: that if you not long after I didn't my own
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Speaker 2: self healing. That's called I had. My ex husband had
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Speaker 2: a friend over that he was not very close with,
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Speaker 2: but he knew her for a while and I had
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Speaker 2: maybe met her once before, and she was actually starting
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Speaker 2: to be natural path. But she was also very good
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Speaker 2: at writing. So she brought her I don't know book
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Speaker 2: that she was writing to show me because I was
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Speaker 2: studying and I was doing a project, and I said
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Speaker 2: to her, Hey, can you sit next to me on
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Speaker 2: my computer and just I'll read it to you give
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Speaker 2: me your feedback. So as she was sitting there and
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Speaker 2: we're chatting, at one point I turn around and I
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Speaker 2: literally and this is not how it usually looks, but
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Speaker 2: this was the first experience. I literally saw this cartoon
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Speaker 2: looking liver above her head. And as I saw that,
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Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, something is happening. And I'm
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Speaker 2: opening and closing my eyes, you know, like this. And
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Speaker 2: she looked at me and she goes, do you have
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Speaker 2: something in your eye? You know? And I went no,
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Speaker 2: But can I ask you the strangest question? And she said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: sure of course. And I said to her, well, do
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Speaker 2: you have liver problem? And I remember thinking, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I just I don't know anything about the body. Like zero,
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Speaker 2: I didn't think that I needed to learn anything. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a writer and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: do acting. Why would I need to know about the body.
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Speaker 2: So I need nothing at all. So she said, oh
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Speaker 2: my god, yeah I do. Have you know, I've had
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Speaker 2: this lever problem my whole life. And as she said that,
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Speaker 2: the image changed and I saw her grandfather. I just
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Speaker 2: knew that, like it was annoying that it was her grandfather.
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Speaker 2: And I said, oh, did your grandfather have this issue?
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Speaker 2: And she said, yes, he did. And then I saw
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Speaker 2: that her grandfather had again gone through the war, but
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Speaker 2: had actually been in a concentration camp. And so I
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Speaker 2: asked it and she said yes. And I said to her,
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Speaker 2: do you get nightmares? And she said yes. And then
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Speaker 2: I said something which I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I just don't know what I'm saying. And I said, well,
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Speaker 2: it just feels like the physical issues that you have
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Speaker 2: a connected to your DNA. It's coming from you know,
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Speaker 2: from your DNA, from your family. And then I told
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Speaker 2: her a lot of very private things about her family
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Speaker 2: that she didn't know, and she called her mom and
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Speaker 2: spoke to her for a while because she said, I
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Speaker 2: don't know this, suf and her mom said, yes, everything,
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Speaker 2: and I said was true. So she kind of came
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Speaker 2: back to me and when and we both stared at
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Speaker 2: each other, and she said she was twenty five at
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Speaker 2: the time, and I would have just turned twenty one
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Speaker 2: or something, or I think I was twenty cel yeah, close,
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Speaker 2: getting close to twenty one. And she said to me,
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Speaker 2: you know what, it's like, I've learned more about my
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Speaker 2: family in the last hour or half an hour that
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Speaker 2: I've known in my twenty five years of being alive.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. And then two years later she had some
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Speaker 2: tests done and it was very clear that the she
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Speaker 2: was DNA connected. But from there it kind of opened
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Speaker 2: up this floodgate where I could cross the road and
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Speaker 2: see stuff about people. I could be in my yoga class,
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Speaker 2: and you know, all of a sudden, I'd get all
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Speaker 2: this information about people. I could look at a picture
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Speaker 2: of somebody on let's say a flyer and get all
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Speaker 2: this information. So I really had to figure out how
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Speaker 2: to calm this down.
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Speaker 1: Because so let me ask you this. You know, at
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Speaker 1: any point during what you just shared, were you disbelieving
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Speaker 1: of this? Did you think you were not.
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Speaker 2: M definitely, I, you know, had all sorts of moments.
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Speaker 2: I think at that time my ex husband was like
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Speaker 2: my therapist because I would constantly have these moments of
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Speaker 2: not believing things, and he would say to me, look,
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Speaker 2: just never make things up. As long as you don't
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Speaker 2: make things up and you just tell people the truth
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Speaker 2: of what you're seeing, you'll be fine. But as soon
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Speaker 2: as you feel the pressure of making it up, then
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Speaker 2: this is when the problems will will occur. And I
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Speaker 2: think I would go At the beginning. Obviously I wasn't
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Speaker 2: charging anyone anything, and my ex husband's friends were very
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Speaker 2: open to this. So I said to him, well, can
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Speaker 2: I go and kind of tune into them because I
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Speaker 2: need people to practice on and I remember, you know,
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Speaker 2: he said yes, and he contacted them, and so I
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Speaker 2: remember tuning into one of his friends and going, I'm
23:29
Speaker 2: seeing problems with your feet and in my mind I'm saying,
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Speaker 2: if she says no, then obviously I'm making this up.
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Speaker 2: But if she says yes, I don't know this, like
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Speaker 2: there's no way that I know this consciously, and I
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Speaker 2: remember her saying, well, wow, yes I do. How do
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Speaker 2: you know because it's not necessarily that you just go
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Speaker 2: to someone's feet or things like that. So it was
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Speaker 2: a constant Okay, I need validation, feedback that I'm actually
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Speaker 2: doing this and not making it up. And that's kind
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Speaker 2: of how I slowly started to believe it.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do now? Who do you work with?
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Speaker 1: What would you what would you say?
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Speaker 2: So now I'm much more into teaching people, mainly because
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Speaker 2: I feel like, in lots of ways, we all have
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Speaker 2: access to this, to these insights if we know how to,
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Speaker 2: if somebody guides and shows us how to. And that's
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Speaker 2: been a huge part of my work is figuring out
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Speaker 2: how do I get people to reconnect with their own bodies,
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Speaker 2: to start to understand this language, to start to understand
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Speaker 2: the wisdom from each part of the body, and through
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Speaker 2: that either heal themselves or combine their healing with help
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Speaker 2: from them, you know, from medicine, because you can work
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Speaker 2: together with this as well. And I've had countless medical
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Speaker 2: doctors that have come to me, so so really creating
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Speaker 2: a picture for people of how can you know yourself
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Speaker 2: both through the physical but also psychological and emotional and
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Speaker 2: archetypal like you know, where is some of this coming from?
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Speaker 2: So is this coming from my childhood and maybe I
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Speaker 2: need to look at stages of development that occurred. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it's coming from my heart and intimacy and relationships, and
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sabotaging things because I've been hurt. So
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Speaker 2: really looking at all the different parts and what's connected
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Speaker 2: to this. You know what kind of.
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Speaker 1: You had mentioned, like emotions versus archetypes. What did you
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Speaker 1: mean by that more specifically.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like we all have emotions, but
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Speaker 2: because we're not taught emotional like there's no emotional education.
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Speaker 2: So people are constantly saying, oh, I want emotional intelligence
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Speaker 2: in a partner or in a friend. But it's like
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Speaker 2: people are not taught this, and people generalize everything when
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Speaker 2: it comes to emotions, so they kind of go anger,
26:18
Speaker 2: I have anger, and they think that the anger they
26:20
Speaker 2: have in their throat or in their heart or and
26:23
Speaker 2: their liver is the same anger that you know everywhere.
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Speaker 2: But it's not. It's actually quite specific. And so when
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Speaker 2: I was really looking at this and I was okay
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Speaker 2: to Young and his work and what he brought to us.
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Speaker 2: Originally it was kind of like, well, if we have
26:43
Speaker 2: an emotion in a particular part of our body meets
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Speaker 2: storyline like what happened to us meets kind of what
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Speaker 2: most of us experience. Like we all go through childhood, right,
26:57
Speaker 2: we all have those experiences that make us become a
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Speaker 2: particular person later in life based on what we saw
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Speaker 2: in experience at home, and so we have the different
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Speaker 2: stages of development of that and those whole emotions and
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Speaker 2: memories and traumas. And rather than getting people for me
27:20
Speaker 2: to constantly come back to a memory because they'll say, well,
27:24
Speaker 2: I don't remember what happened to me when I was
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Speaker 2: five or six or seven, I started getting people to
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Speaker 2: come back to, Okay, well, if there was a child archetype,
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Speaker 2: what would it look like in relation to you, let's
27:39
Speaker 2: say at five, in terms of what you are experiencing
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Speaker 2: at present. Let's you know, again, if I'm guiding someone.
27:47
Speaker 2: And so people started to realize that actually, the emotion
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Speaker 2: that you're experiencing, especially if it's recurring, has a story,
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Speaker 2: has an experience connected to it, has belief systems connected
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Speaker 2: to it. It's not working on its own, and is
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Speaker 2: often connected to particular part of the body, or it
28:08
Speaker 2: might move but may be held somewhere in the body.
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Speaker 2: That they also have health issues with so as we
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Speaker 2: started to kind of go, well, if we work with archetypes,
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Speaker 2: we do not have to re traumatize, but we can
28:24
Speaker 2: learn so much about what is your perspective, what are
28:29
Speaker 2: you caring? What are you believing in terms of your
28:33
Speaker 2: perspective in your life, and then we can start to
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Speaker 2: transform and adjust it. Because people would also say to me, well,
28:40
Speaker 2: when I have an emotion, how do I okay, I've screamed,
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Speaker 2: I cried whatever, how do I know that it has transformed?
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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, you don't. But when you work
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Speaker 2: with an archetype, you start to get a sense of
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Speaker 2: how different it becomes. It grows, it communicates in a
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Speaker 2: different way with you. You start to feel better, you start
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Speaker 2: to feel stronger. So there is a foundational kind of
29:06
Speaker 2: point that you connect with and go, oh, I'm growing,
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Speaker 2: and you know, you start to separate this is my
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Speaker 2: adult wise self to this is my child self, or
29:17
Speaker 2: this is me behaving like a victim now, or this
29:20
Speaker 2: is me behaving from a place of wisdom and so on.
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Speaker 1: I mean, fascinating Jesus. As we kind of wind down here,
29:34
Speaker 1: you know is it you know you talked about your
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Speaker 1: own journey and in a way switching your perspective from
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Speaker 1: that of a victim to someone who's very curious understanding
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Speaker 1: what this might mean. Is that perspective shift necessary for
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Speaker 1: all of us?
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Speaker 2: Yes, And.
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Speaker 1: What I want to make clearer, I'm not suggesting that
30:11
Speaker 1: it's a one size fits all right, because it can't be.
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Speaker 1: But yet, why is that so important that perspective shift.
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Speaker 2: Well, I really think that you're moving from the perspective
30:24
Speaker 2: of poor me, I'm stuck, I'm the victim. I actually
30:29
Speaker 2: writing a book about this at the moment, I am
30:31
Speaker 2: you know, someone helped me save me. I'm helpless because
30:35
Speaker 2: there's nothing I can do about it. Too, You're actually
30:38
Speaker 2: moving into I am curious, I am more teachable. What
30:45
Speaker 2: is possible? Am I somehow involved in this? Is there
30:49
Speaker 2: some way that I can help my own healing journey?
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Speaker 2: And that can mean anything from physical health to relationationships,
31:00
Speaker 2: to emotions, to just you know, to finances to how
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Speaker 2: you show up in life. Change as completely as you
31:12
Speaker 2: change as you have a perspective shift. And so I
31:17
Speaker 2: think I just think it's step one. It's really step
31:20
Speaker 2: one for most people on some level to change from
31:25
Speaker 2: no one can help me. I can't do anything. I'm
31:29
Speaker 2: the victim of my body and my circumstances to actually
31:34
Speaker 2: I'm responsible in some way, not for what happened to me,
31:37
Speaker 2: but what I can do now, How I'm thinking now,
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling, how I'm navigating life.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Jesus, it feels in like there's so much more.
31:50
Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much more to talk about here,
31:54
Speaker 1: but we are at a time. Yeah, how do people
31:58
Speaker 1: learn more about what you're doing? What's the best way?
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Speaker 2: The best way is actually to go to my website,
32:04
Speaker 2: which is in a seagull dot com. And what I've
32:07
Speaker 2: been doing lately is I've been putting together master classes
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Speaker 2: that are actually free, partly because I want to take
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Speaker 2: away people's excuses if possible, and they go between some
32:19
Speaker 2: of them go for two hours, some for four, and
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Speaker 2: there is a lot of information about there's I think
32:28
Speaker 2: there's several masterclasses about understanding the body in itself and
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Speaker 2: all the different parts of the body. So people are curious,
32:36
Speaker 2: then they can go to again Inner CeAl dot com
32:39
Speaker 2: and look at the master classes around my book Understanding
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Speaker 2: Sorry and Covering the Secret Language of your Body, and
32:51
Speaker 2: or the eight week challenge Intuitive Connecting to your intuitive body.
32:56
Speaker 2: But then if they want to go deeper in understanding
32:59
Speaker 2: archite types and how archetypes are actually connected to all
33:04
Speaker 2: the kind of systems of your body and sharkas and
33:09
Speaker 2: how they work together, then there is my kind of
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Speaker 2: signature program that I teach which goes over ten days,
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Speaker 2: but this is more of a look into it, just
33:21
Speaker 2: a little peak, and that is called Awaken the Heal Within,
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Speaker 2: and there I just go into depth of different stages
33:32
Speaker 2: of healing and understanding archetypes and how to work with them.
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Speaker 2: And also there's processes in each one, and then I
33:40
Speaker 2: go through you know other I have other master classes
33:44
Speaker 2: around childhood and ancestry and even your purpose. So there's
33:50
Speaker 2: lots and lots for people to learn and explore. If
33:54
Speaker 2: they're just wanting to discover something before they might go,
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Speaker 2: I really want to dive in and learn, you know,
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Speaker 2: much more about this.
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Speaker 1: Awesome awesome all right, we'll have that linked up here
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Speaker 1: at the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast
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Speaker 1: dot com. Once again, it's in a cigal dot com.
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Speaker 1: I N N A S E g A L dot com.
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Speaker 1: You know, love to have you back.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to come back.
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Speaker 1: I love to really appreciate you coming here and sharing
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Speaker 1: your story and it's it's so inspiring, and thank you
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Speaker 1: for joining me today. All Right, we'll be in touch, right,