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The Demonic Origins of Planned Parenthood with Seth Gruber | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 18 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  Well, howdy and welcome to one of the most controversial Mark
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  Driscoll shows we will ever film on the life issue.
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  Seth Gruber is joining us from the White Rose Resistance.
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  And guys, you are in for a good time.
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  Today we're going to talk about everything from why Paw Patrol
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  is gay to how men should be getting involved in the life
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  movement and a little bit about his newest project.
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  So buckle up, grab a notepad. You're going to learn a ton in
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  this one. Well, Seth Grubert, it is
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  awesome to have you in studio with us.
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  It was kind of a spur of the moment you were in town.
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  And for our audience that doesn't know you, would you be
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  able to introduce yourself and what you're all about?
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  Yeah, sure. Well, I hate, I hate Paw Patrol.
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  I think it's super gay and I think to the with you, I will.
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  Tell my my grandsons bro they're right.
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  It's demonic. I'm.
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  Just paw patrol. I'll be honest.
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  Paw Patrol is on my my heavy rotation playlist along with the
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  Bob the Builder theme song. Those are the 2 heavy rotation.
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  Songs on my playlist. Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, I know you said introduce yourself, but but no
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  seriously, most of like the entertainment especially like I
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  think this was the crux crux of my message.
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  Recently been doing this like thing called life or death tour
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  just going around the country. But it's like always about kids.
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  It's always about children. It's old days, new demons.
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  It's all, it's always about redefining the family,
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  sexualizing and destroying the innocence of the young.
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  If you can't RIP their limbs off and chop their genitals off in
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  sort of this reiteration of Moloch or Ashtaroth, like every
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  modern manifestation of demonic evil is always about the family.
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  Did you see the thing on the Capitol Hill with the Missouri
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  Senator Josh? Josh Hawley.
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  Yeah, Josh Hawley ripping into the Netflix seeing like, why is
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  51% of your content it's for kids?
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  Why does it have LGBT LMNOP. My name is Lisa's.
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  He's brilliant. He's yeah, brilliant.
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  And anyways, to your point, it's like it was because if you get
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  the kids and you, you know, reshape their affections and
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  priorities at a young age, they'll serve demons forever.
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  And so that's why Paw Patrol is gay.
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  But anyways, 100% I totally agree.
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  But my name is Seth. I I was homeschooled in Los
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  Angeles County Whittier. You were the one, yeah.
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  I was the. One I was too in the 90s.
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  Well, it was like, you know, the stereotypes of like the the 90s.
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  The 90s homeschool. Kids were like, you know, and
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  that was like, that stereotype was sort of true.
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  Like I was in homeschool group where like the moms were like
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  the whole fear of the world shelter the kid, don't let them
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  even watch Little Mermaid. And so there was a stereotype of
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  that that kind of rang true. Now it's flipped.
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  It's all the public school with public school kids who were
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  like, and it's the homeschool kids who can like look an adult
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  in the eye and like have a conversation.
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  But so my mom was homeschooling before it was hip and cool and
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  sexy. She was juicing and making
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  homemade kombucha before it was hip and cool.
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  So I was home. I'm the oldest at home school
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  through 8th grade. I went to Whittier High School,
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  Nixon's alma mater, but my mom ran a pregnancy Resource Center
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  in like Glendora, Pasadena area in the late 80s, early 90s and
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  there weren't very many pregnancy resource centers in
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  the late 80s, early 90s. I was born in 91.
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  So she stepped down when I was born.
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  She went to homeschool me and my sisters, but we remained
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  involved and like did the walk for life and my mom was very
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  pro-life. She was like that mom pushing
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  the pro-life cause at the church with a impotent, flatulent
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  pastor who bred too many Tim Keller and Rick Warren books and
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  Jess Treacher Gospel while you know the culture is burning down
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  around you because the gospel is only Jesus in your heart and in
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  your home, but not in the public square.
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  And then, and then my senior of high school, what your high
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  school says, OK, you have to do a senior project if you want to
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  graduate. This was back before, I think it
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  was like right before they had gay porn in all of the sex Ed
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  and all of the public schools. But you actually had to write a
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  paper and do research and do volunteer hours and give a
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  speech before a panel of teachers or you could not
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  graduate. So I had all these pro-choice
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  friends and I was super convicted at 18 years old that I
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  didn't have a lot of good answers to a lot of my friends.
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  So Long story short, I was like, I'm going to do my senior
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  project on abortion. So I told my high school.
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  I said, so what's your topic? Abortion.
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  And they're like, yeah, you can't do that.
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  We have certain guidelines here. And oops, that's one of the
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  topics you can't pick, but you know, my mom and maybe memorize
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  the entire preamble constitution, the entire
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  Declaration of Independence by the time I was 11.
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  And they didn't know that I was. And so I, I looked at the senior
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  project advisor and I said, I know of these groups called ADF
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  and others. I will, I will sue you for
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  viewpoint discrimination. If, if, if that's your decision.
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  And so they backed off and I did whatever the heck I wanted.
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  So I learned a super important lesson.
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  Get an attorney. Yeah, yeah.
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  When all else fails, Rock, paper, scissors attorney.
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  That's the lesson, yeah. Yeah, Amen.
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  goldco.com/realfaith. Well, and you know how to, you
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  know, I mean, men just don't know how to fight anymore.
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  And so, but I, I, so that I tell you that because I, that was a
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  really important lesson. That was very formative lesson
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  for me at 18 that I've taken with me today.
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  That's really, that represents a lot of the culture of, of my
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  ministry. The White Rose resistance.
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  I was like, you know what? Sometimes it just takes what
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  it's one man plus God with the testicular fortitude to look the
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  Fauci and Faustian dwarves in the face and say, sit down.
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  And they usually do. It's just the appearance of
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  strength. And sometimes you just need to
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  stand up and say no. And when enough people do that,
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  like we solve a lot of problems. So that's something I learned
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  and then I went off to this super gay pro-choice Christian
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  College in Santa Barbara. And actually, me and my friends
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  used to listen to all your old sermons back from that day, from
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  from the Seattle days that. Means I'm getting old.
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  Yeah, and and, and the the pro-life sermons and the pro
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  marriage stuff. And we we were like all the, you
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  know, young restless reform, but like a little little of the
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  younger ones. Really.
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  Yeah. You know, because everything at
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  this Christian college Westmont in Santa Barbara, down the
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  street from Oprah's house is like, so gay, like pro, pro
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  abortion professors on the payroll, like gospel.
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  The flags on the New Testament professor's door.
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  Tremper Longman, the Old Testament professor.
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  You might have seen that name. Tremper Longman, the third Old
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  Testament scholar, part of the evangelicals for Biden a few
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  years after I graduated. Oh, yeah.
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  He jumped in with that. So this was my.
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  This was my. That's called.
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  Wild. That's like vegetarians for
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  butchers. Yeah, you don't understand.
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  Yeah, basically. And so here I am, this LA
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  homeschool kid, right, with a mom who ran a pregnancy center,
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  who did my senior project on abortion, who was like, already
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  at this point, I was volunteering with this group who
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  put aborted baby imageries on University College campuses.
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  And we'd set up these huge signs showing emaciated, murdered,
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  dissected children at all trimesters from murdered from
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  abortion. Ephesians 511 have nothing to do
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  with the fruitless deeds of darkness.
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  Would rather expose them. So here you go.
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  Here's what choice looks like. And I was already doing that.
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  And so I start the first pro-life club at Westmont in
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  Montecito in Santa Barbara. And I, it took me like a
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  semester to find a faculty advisor to get the thing
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  approved. I tried to bring that display
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  with the aborted baby imagery on the campus.
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  They said no for three years in a row.
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  I ended up in Christianity yesterday in an article
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  Christianity Today and and then World Magazine.
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  It's Christianity. Never.
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  Never. That's right.
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  Yes. Thank you.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Russell Moore, whatever he is,
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  it's definitely not a Christian. And so they did this whole thing
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  on me because I was standing outside of the dining Commons
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  with aborted baby imagery at Westmont.
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  So all the professors and the students have to look at
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  emaciated baby pieces as they go to have breakfast and lunch.
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  And I was doing this because my alma mater Westmont had pro
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  abortion professors on the faculty refused to take a
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  pro-life position on the life issue in their student handbook
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  and had refused to let me do this display.
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  So I said, I said all that to say the second lesson I learned
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  very early on was the problem is way less the gay communists and
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  the Bay all worshippers with Joseph's multi technique color
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  coat of hair. The problem is the blood bought
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  bride of Christ who has forgotten who she is.
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  Schaefer said that the ignorance of the church is more dangerous
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  for a culture than the decadence of the world.
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  And I was like, wait, I thought I was coming to the Christian
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  college to get equipped for. The well and so do the parents
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  that pay the outlandish tuition trying to send their kids to a
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  place where usually in those schools the most wildly out of
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  bounds people are in the Bible department.
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  Always. You know, those, those are the
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  people that are most off the reservation.
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  Sometimes maybe in some of the other departments you get people
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  that actually love Jesus. But in the Bible department, I
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  mean those, that's where the apostates have taken over the
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  asylum. You might find this interesting
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  customer. Guess what department at
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  Westmont had the most conservatives and I would say
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  people committed to biblical fidelity in terms of the
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  professors, what department? What and academic discipline?
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  Maybe economics nailed it well, because economic.
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  Thesis and math they're. Dealing with reality, there was
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  a there was a school like that, that they actually created a, a
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  rule that pastors were not allowed to come on campus
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  because of me. And it came out of the Bible
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  department. Yeah, Yeah.
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  You know, And so the intolerance of the Bible department is only
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  possible on campus. Yeah.
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  Because when their, when their ideas are field tested, in
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  reality, they don't lead anyone to Christ and they don't produce
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  any fruits. So they have to retreat to
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  academia and they have to brainwash people that came from
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  naive Christian subcultures, and then their parents are
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  overpaying for the indoctrination.
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  My wife said something the other day that it pertains to what
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  you're saying that you might appreciate this.
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  We I I just got semi cancelled by another Christian figure
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  who's everyone listening would know the name and I've been
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  cancelled by other people. Like what does that mean?
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  Like I won't talk to you anymore.
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  You don't. Our friendship's over.
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  You're off the Christmas card list.
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  So like the one of the early one.
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  Well, I was never friends with Ed Stetzer or Ed Go Beard or
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  something like that. But he's the Dean of Talbot
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  Biola Seminary and when they hired him and we we don't have
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  time to get into all this on this show today, but I've done
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  whole things on this. Megan Basham has done a good job
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  on this. I, I have one of the longest
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  list of his public record. So I don't air dirty laundry.
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  Like I'm just addressing things you say and do publicly if
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  you're a Christian leader. And one of the reasons I care
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  about this too, Mark, is because like, I'm trying to wake up the
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  local church to end these evils, to contend for righteousness,
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  reclaim our heritage of Christian resistance, which is
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  now today called Christian nationalism.
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  And one of the reasons we don't have people the the church
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  engages, we don't have the pastors.
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  One of the reason we don't have the pastors, by and large, is
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  because the places they're being educated are are utterly failing
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  them. Because they're nobody.
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  So this is my massive frustration.
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  Nobody at a seminary or Bible college is being they're being
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  trained for peacetime not. War.
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  Yes, exactly. And there's never been, there's
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  never been a war at a Bible college or a seminary.
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  These guys are, they're not battle ready.
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  And the guys that are running those places and the teachers,
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  they're not having to raise money, they're not having to do
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  discipline. Nobody's showing up, you know, 2
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  trannies asking for a wedding. They're not having to deal with
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  reality. And so the guys that they're
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  producing, they're way too soft and they're, they're, they're
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  built for peacetime. They're not built for war.
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  It's. The kind of guys when they, when
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  they, you know when they open the door and they run into it,
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  they bruise like a Peach. Well, and so when I was in, you
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  know, the People's Republic of Seattle, the first guy I had
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  come in with a dress asking which restroom to use, you know,
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  was like in 96. No way 96.
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  Dude you you saw this and had to deal with it way before.
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  It was Tuesday, tranny was. It was tranny Tuesday, I mean.
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  I I'm, I don't. That's not very winsome.
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  I'm really offended that you use that phrase.
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  Tuesday. The other two I use that too and
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  it's so funny. Christian, you know?
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  Anyways. But literally dude came in with
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  a dress beard, you know I mean Adam's apple and genitalia. 2
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  credible evidence points of the gender and he asked which
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  restroom do I use 96. Yeah.
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  You know, and I'm like 26 years old, new Christian, new pastor.
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  That's epic. And I looked at him.
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  I said you're going to need to hold it.
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  Yeah. But I think it's trained in that
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  seminary. Well, so that's so good because
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  I, I, I, I believe that courage is best seen up close.
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  I don't think it's courageous. I don't think I'm courageous
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  when I go speak at a conference that I've been paid to speak at
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  or someone's gala or fundraiser and, and I'm paid to speak at
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  it. And the whole crowd is agreeing
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  or 95%, except for the few that walk out.
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  They're all standing ovation. They love everything I have to
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  say. That's not courage, dude.
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  That's not courage. That's a hometown.
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  Crowd. Everyone enjoys it.
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  They all agree with it. I got paid.
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  That's not courage. Courage is best seen up close.
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  What does that mean? Your home, your church, your
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  team, your employer, your city? Where?
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  Where there's actual risks to you?
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  Where your life and your comfort could be upset if you're not
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  courageous. Courage.
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  You want to know the measure of a man.
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  It's best seen up close, not on a platform he was paid to speak
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  on. And so when Talbot hired Ed
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  Stetzer again, don't have time for the whole thing, but like,
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  if you guys want to know more, go to my podcast.
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  It's he he that that he's an evil man.
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  He said things like if you don't, if you didn't get the
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  jab, you don't live your neighbor, you're a bad
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  Christian. When he writes articles, when he
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  gets things wrong, he calls Russell Moore Christianity
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  Yesterday he says take that article off the Internet and
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  then I go find them on the way back machine.
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  He's truly a vile man. He helped advise with the he
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  gets his campaign for the Super Bowl ad, the first one where it
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  showed like every woke intersectionality, you know?
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  Yeah, Tranny's feet washing. Yeah, exactly.
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  And if interestingly, it was so funny, Mark, they didn't have
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  one of a FBI agent washing the feet of a January fixer.
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  It was so interesting they didn't have Merrick Garland
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  washing the feet of a parent who spoke at a school board meeting.
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  So the only caricatures were representations of leftist
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  interaction, intersectionality, power struggles.
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  So Stetzer said he advised on that.
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  He called it pre evangelism. Anyways, he's a vile man.
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  And so Sean McDowell, an old friend of mine, I said, can we
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  talk because you were friends? And I'm, I'm just concerned
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  about the direction of Viola. I grew up 20 minutes from there.
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  I'm kind of concerned about the direction of the university.
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  First text I get back. Please take my endorsement of
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  you down from sethgruber.com. So I do and then and then the
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  other day I just got cancelled by another man whose name might
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  shock you. And so I was talking to my wife
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  about this and she said, and I, my, my wife's very peaceful and
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  gentle and doesn't really get riled.
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  I do. And she was like, do you know
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  what's wrong with all these men, all these boomers is they're all
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  ivory tower intellectuals. They live in their head all the
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  time and they've never had to fight.
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  So they don't know how to do conflict.
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  So when conflict shows up, they're like deuces.
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  And I was like, I don't know whether to clap or like if I'm
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  turned on right now like I was like I was.
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  Like you can do both. These are not mutually
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  exclusive. Categories.
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  Amen. Yeah, I was like, my wife is
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  amazing. I was like, that is such a good
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  thing, babe. But anyways, to your point, the
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  seminaries are not training the shepherds for wartime.
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  Well, and so most of the evangelicalism is phone sex.
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  Yeah, Everybody's talking. Nothing's happening.
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  That's a take right there. Most of it's angelicalism.
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  It's all talk. Nothing's happening.
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  They're talking about evangelism.
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  Nobody's getting saved. They're talking about courage.
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  Nobody's in a fight. They're talking about
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  leadership. Nobody's making a decision.
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  So I have plenty of takes on why that is, but I want to ask you,
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  when do you think that this relatively new and unique
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  cultural engagement model the evangelical church has adopted
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  in the West and specifically in America?
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  When do you think that began? Why?
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  What happened? Where would you trace that?
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  What are its origins? Because my understanding is, is
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  that's relatively new if you look at the history of
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  Christendom. Yeah, it's third way
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  evangelicalism primarily, I would say.
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  I don't know what you it's, I didn't.
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  Know what I wanted? Your take?
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  So third way of angelicalism is, you know, there's there's the
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  right, there's the left. Our job is to be the reasonable
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  mediator in the middle and always punch toward the left.
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  Excuse me, punch toward the right so that we can appeal to
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  the left. And so the church got so used to
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  punching to the right to appeal to the left because it started
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  with like the Jesus movement going after all the hippies and
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  all the leftists and all the weirdos and all the liberals.
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  Well, then all of a sudden the what was the left shift so far
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  that what was a Democrat, you know, 20 years ago today is a
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  moderate in the middle. And so like when I was in, when
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  I was in the People's Republic of Seattle, people ask me all
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  the time. They're like, so you know,
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  what's politics like? There's like, well, we have
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  socialists and Democrats. Right.
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  Yeah, yeah. They're like, what about the
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  Republicans? Like we haven't voted for a a
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  Republican since Reagan. I mean, it was 80.
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  So, you know, the Republicans didn't even have an office.
• 18:26
  You couldn't even go get a bumper sticker because you have
• 18:29
  socialists and those are on the left.
• 18:31
  And then your Democrats are in the center.
• 18:33
  Yeah. So they think Gavin Newsom is a
• 18:35
  moderate. Yeah, that's one.
• 18:38
  You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
• 18:39
  Yeah. And so and they think Mondami,
• 18:41
  well, he would be. So like now they've got a
• 18:43
  socialist mayor. When you, when you vote for a
• 18:45
  socialist, you have left anything that looks like what
• 18:49
  was historically left or center left.
• 18:53
  So if your commitment is I'm always going to go to the
• 18:55
  middle, what happens when the middle goes 27° to the left?
• 19:00
  At that point you have to go to the right just to stay
• 19:04
  Christian. And if you move and you try to
• 19:08
  remain in the middle, you end up being apostate or, and, and what
• 19:13
  you're seeing too. I haven't said this, this work.
• 19:16
  So what you're seeing with these guys that have a third way
• 19:18
  missiology, they also have a third way morality.
• 19:22
  So you're seeing a whole generation of guys that
• 19:24
  somewhere between the church and the world is how they live their
• 19:27
  lives. So they're committing adultery,
• 19:28
  they're not finishing well. You've got a whole generation of
• 19:31
  guys that are fumbling the ball in the red zone of their life
• 19:34
  and you're learning about affairs and misappropriations
• 19:37
  and sexual misconduct. You're like, how do you do that?
• 19:40
  Well, because a third way missiology ends up with a third
• 19:43
  way morality. You're living somewhere between
• 19:45
  the world and the. Wow.
• 19:49
  I feel like I feel like I do. I feel like a a church that will
• 19:54
  not long tolerate the kingship and authority of Jesus in the
• 20:01
  public square will soon not long tolerate it in the private
• 20:05
  square, in the home, in the family, if he if he's not the
• 20:10
  King of kings and the king of the world.
• 20:14
  If he's not the king of everything, well, then he's the
• 20:16
  king of anything. Yeah, then he's the chump of
• 20:18
  chumps. I mean that that's where you end
• 20:21
  up. And, and that to me is where
• 20:22
  it's, it's it's highly offensive to think, you know, Jesus could
• 20:27
  be received by more people if we just were more welcoming,
• 20:32
  accommodating and tolerating of those who despise him and
• 20:35
  everything that he stands for. And it's like, no, actually, I
• 20:39
  believe that the gospel is an offense.
• 20:41
  I believe that it is a declaration of war.
• 20:43
  And I believe that the gospel is offensive in a profoundly
• 20:46
  attractive way because the gospel shows up and says you are
• 20:50
  the problem. You're the greatest problem you
• 20:53
  have. The greatest enemy you have is
• 20:55
  you. And you have picked a fight with
• 20:58
  the creator of the cosmos. And it's a fight that is
• 21:02
  absolutely unwinnable. And you are standing in the path
• 21:06
  of the wrath of God and there's nothing you can do to remedy
• 21:09
  your situation. And best case scenario is you're
• 21:12
  on fire forever unless you get a miracle.
• 21:15
  And so to to say, you know, we could do that in a winsome way.
• 21:20
  That's right. That's right.
• 21:20
  That's so good. Yeah.
• 21:22
  You're like, it's offensive. Yeah, that's right.
• 21:24
  But it's it's good to at least be honest because at this point,
• 21:27
  like you're kindling unless something changes drastically.
• 21:32
  Yep, Yep. And that's why we don't have any
• 21:34
  endorsements on our website. He gets cancelled by everyone
• 21:37
  for saying this. We don't do endorsements because
• 21:41
  at the end of the day, you know, I know that at some point their
• 21:45
  pain tolerance will hit its lid and then they will turn.
• 21:49
  And so just get it over with right now.
• 21:53
  So back to you, your introduction.
• 21:55
  What is the White Rose Resistance?
• 21:57
  Tell us about your ministry and why you're getting cancelled.
• 22:00
  Well, we launched it because of all these problems that we're
• 22:04
  talking about. I mean, you know, I just came
• 22:07
  from a friend's church, you know, locally here, Redeemer
• 22:10
  Bible, and they're in the midst of a series.
• 22:13
  And Pastor John Bensinger wanted me to address this study that
• 22:18
  they were looking at this polling of evangelicals.
• 22:20
  And there was just this statement and evangelicals were
• 22:23
  asked to respond to it. And it was abortion is sin.
• 22:30
  And 42% of evangelicals in that were polled said they disagreed
• 22:36
  and 9% were unsure how to answer, which means 51% answered
• 22:42
  that one wrong. But that didn't shock me.
• 22:45
  I wasn't surprised by that. He just.
• 22:46
  Was so the majority? I mean, we're at a coin flip in
• 22:50
  the church. Good.
• 22:52
  Night. Yeah, isn't that crazy?
• 22:53
  But see, that's on the shepherds, that's on the
• 22:56
  teachers at that point. Like if the kids are sick
• 22:59
  because instead of juice we're giving them, you know,
• 23:02
  antifreeze, you know, that's on the one who's creating the diet.
• 23:05
  That's right. So it was the overturning of Roe
• 23:09
  versus Wade. And right around that time
• 23:11
  frame, I was preparing this ministry and Roe got overturned.
• 23:14
  And that summer we launched the White Rose Resistance in June of
• 23:17
  2022. So we're coming up on four years
• 23:23
  old. We have 22 employees, resistance
• 23:26
  chapters in North Cal, Socal, Boise, Dallas, Fort Worth,
• 23:29
  Denver, New York, ME, Florida, South Carolina.
• 23:33
  And we're launching more this year.
• 23:34
  And it's all about like, I guess if I had to put it on a hat, it
• 23:37
  would say make the local church great again.
• 23:40
  Resistance to all these kinds of evils.
• 23:43
  It historically has never been mega.
• 23:45
  It's never been political. It's been Christianity.
• 23:48
  It's been, this has been like Christianity one O 1.
• 23:52
  And so it's based off this incredible story that was always
• 23:56
  inspirational to me since my college years of these 20
• 23:59
  something kids in their 20s in in Nazi Germany, in Munich, and
• 24:04
  they called themselves the White Rose Resistance.
• 24:07
  And there was a brother sister duo that were very
• 24:10
  inspirational, Hans and Sophie Scholl.
• 24:12
  There were some other kids, Kristoff, Probst, Alexander
• 24:14
  Schmarel and others. But Sophie is a particularly
• 24:17
  inspirational figure. And so it's 1942 and Sophie's 21
• 24:22
  years old. She's walking the sidewalks of
• 24:24
  Munich and she sees this leaflet or pamphlet on the ground.
• 24:27
  She picks it up and it says leaflets of the White Rose and
• 24:31
  she picks it up and she's reading it.
• 24:32
  It's like excoriating the crimes that are happening.
• 24:36
  It's asking people to stand up. It's asking the church to wake
• 24:38
  up. They're saying they're calling
• 24:39
  people to passive and active forms of resistance.
• 24:41
  It says they said things like, if you know, why do you not act?
• 24:45
  They said, we are the White Rose resistance.
• 24:46
  We are your bad conscience and we will not leave you alone.
• 24:49
  And so they would stay up late riding these leaflets and then
• 24:51
  and then sending them or taking trains to the middle of the
• 24:54
  night to major German cities and like doing leaflet drops.
• 24:56
  It was a social media campaign, pre digital.
• 24:58
  Pre digital. It just saturate the market with
• 25:01
  like, you know, the stuff you're not hearing and get people to
• 25:05
  wake up. And so I just always sound so
• 25:07
  inspirational. So the story continues.
• 25:08
  It's she was reading this and she's like, this sounds a lot
• 25:11
  like my brother Hans, who's 20, a 24 year old young man.
• 25:15
  This sounds a lot like how he talks one of his rants at
• 25:17
  dinner. And come to find out the White
• 25:20
  Rose Resistance and not only been Co founded, it was being
• 25:22
  run by none other than her older brother Hans, who knew how
• 25:26
  dangerous political resistance was by 1942.
• 25:31
  And he was just trying to protect his little sister.
• 25:33
  He didn't want Sophie engaged in this because he knew it could,
• 25:36
  it could cost her life. But she demands to join and she
• 25:39
  becomes the youngest member and the only female of the White
• 25:43
  Roof Resistance. And for the rest of 1942 and
• 25:46
  early parts of 1943, they start writing these leaflets and they
• 25:49
  would spray paint like down with Hitler, like graffiti artists
• 25:53
  and the Nazis would come and paint over it the next day.
• 25:55
  And then on February 18th. So coming up here, anniversary
• 26:00
  1943, Hans and Sophie walk into the campus at the University of
• 26:05
  Munich, where I filmed at the end of my film, the 1916
• 26:10
  project, which is the the streaming on Daily Wire.
• 26:12
  And like went all over the country and screenings and they
• 26:17
  dropping these leaflets off and outside of classrooms.
• 26:19
  And then, and you guys know this, but if the listeners don't
• 26:22
  like the universities, like the clergy have been largely Co
• 26:25
  opted by the state. And by 1943, I mean, like that
• 26:27
  was a dangerous thing to do. And so the bell rings, class is
• 26:30
  released and Sophie runs three stories up to the third floor
• 26:33
  balcony of the University of Munich, gorgeous inside a tree
• 26:36
  and throws a hundreds of leaflets 3 stories down, 3 and
• 26:40
  below. And you know what happens when
• 26:41
  you throw a paper everywhere? And so now the class comes out,
• 26:44
  students are coming out. There's like snow falling down,
• 26:46
  but there's these Christian resistance leaflets.
• 26:48
  And then the janitor committed Nazi catches Sophie in the act,
• 26:51
  calls the Gestapo. Hans and Sophie are arrested on
• 26:54
  February 18th, 1943. They spent four days in prison
• 26:58
  being brutally abused and physically interrogated.
• 27:00
  I think one of Sophie's interrogations lasted like a 10
• 27:04
  hours or something. Like, gosh, they refused to rat
• 27:06
  out or implicate any other other friends or members of the White
• 27:08
  Rose. But Hans had this leaflet that
• 27:12
  one of the his friends had written and he was trying to
• 27:14
  swallow it and eat it before get rid of the evidence, but they
• 27:18
  they found it. So they ended up getting one of
• 27:21
  their friends, Kristoff Probst, whose wife is in the hospital
• 27:25
  after giving birth to their first child.
• 27:26
  And so he didn't want them. They're all these kids are in
• 27:28
  their 20s. And so four days later, they
• 27:31
  have their heads chopped off and it's just this profoundly
• 27:35
  inspirational story. And thanks to Sophie's cellmate
• 27:41
  Elsie Gabel, we have all these like first hand counts of these
• 27:46
  final moments of this 21 year old young girl.
• 27:49
  And you guys can pull up pictures of her sometime.
• 27:51
  We have our website. Just like she looks like a
• 27:54
  hipster, but like, not like an ugly one, not like a feminist,
• 27:58
  but like, like, like, oh, you're kind of a baller.
• 28:01
  And she, she, so she's in this prison cell and, and if I can
• 28:04
  just comment, I, I feel like she's probably sitting there
• 28:06
  asking the question of a lot of American evangelicals are asking
• 28:09
  right now, like, how did we get here?
• 28:11
  What the heck is going on? Where is the church?
• 28:14
  And according to her cellmate, Sophie looked out her window and
• 28:19
  she said, how can we expect righteousness to prevail when
• 28:25
  there's hardly anyone willing to give themselves up individually
• 28:29
  to a righteous cause? Such a fine, sunny day, and I
• 28:33
  have to go now. But what does my death matter if
• 28:37
  through US, thousands of people are awakened and stirred to
• 28:40
  action? She said the real damage is is
• 28:44
  done by all those millions out there who just want to survive,
• 28:49
  the honest men and women who just want to be left in peace.
• 28:53
  Those who don't want their little lives disturbed by
• 28:56
  anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no
• 28:58
  causes. Those who won't take measure of
• 29:01
  their own strength for fear of antagonizing their own
• 29:04
  weaknesses. Those who those who don't like
• 29:08
  to make waves or enemies. Those for whom freedom, honor,
• 29:11
  truth and principle. It's just literature.
• 29:14
  Those who live small die small. It's the reductionistic approach
• 29:18
  to life. Because if you keep it small,
• 29:20
  you'll keep it under control. If you don't make any noise, the
• 29:23
  the boogeyman won't find you. But it's all an illusion,
• 29:26
  because they die too, those people who roll up their spirits
• 29:32
  into tiny little balls so as to be safe.
• 29:35
  And so if you said safe from what?
• 29:38
  Life is always on the edge of death.
• 29:40
  Narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues, and a
• 29:45
  little candle burns itself out just like the flaming torch
• 29:48
  does. But I choose my own way to burn.
• 29:54
  OK, that doesn't sound like a 21 year old hipster.
• 29:56
  That sounds like Chesterton, Tolkien or Lewis.
• 29:59
  That's a young woman with the lion of the tribe of Judah
• 30:02
  roaring and so good they have their heads chopped off.
• 30:06
  The executioner is later interviewed by a journalist and
• 30:12
  he said she went without the flicker of an eyelash.
• 30:17
  None of us understood how that was possible.
• 30:19
  And her final words according. To the executioner with her head
• 30:22
  on the chopping block was The sun Still shines and Hans's
• 30:29
  final words like William Wallace was Freda.
• 30:36
  That was it. A few days later, a young pastor
• 30:39
  by the name of Dietrich Bonhoeffer was sitting at a
• 30:41
  coffee shop for a meeting that had been arranged between him
• 30:44
  and the White Rose, but its founders were already dead.
• 30:48
  So we say we're rebuilding the White Rose resistance for this
• 30:51
  generation against our silent but far more deadly Holocaust of
• 30:55
  abortion to awaken the church to our ancient calling.
• 30:59
  So it's all Christian resistance.
• 31:02
  Unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it
• 31:06
  will become the church irrelevant.
• 31:08
  So that's. What we do, it's incredible.
• 31:10
  So we. Make films.
• 31:11
  We get people engaged in resistance it, but it's all
• 31:13
  about the local church. But if the church won't fight.
• 31:16
  On the issue of life, yeah, there is no issue.
• 31:18
  That's exactly right. The church will fight.
• 31:20
  For and it's. Because it's actually the
• 31:21
  sacrament. Of Satan.
• 31:22
  Yeah, it's not just another political issue.
• 31:25
  We are not dealing with an isolated, standalone, keep in a
• 31:28
  cute little box political issue. You cannot engage the culture
• 31:32
  that way. You can't take out your little
• 31:33
  CRT box and be like, OK, let's look at that.
• 31:35
  And Herbert Mark Hughes and Antonio Gramsci and OK, we'll
• 31:39
  put that back on the shelf and then and then take out your
• 31:42
  sexual revolution box and be like, OK, so Margaret Sanger and
• 31:45
  Kate Millett and Simone de Beauvoir and OK, we'll put that
• 31:49
  back on the shelf and then take out your homo box and be like,
• 31:52
  OK, so the Stonewall movement in Greenwich Village and and then
• 31:55
  take out your abortion box that you can't.
• 31:56
  That's not how it works. Because all of those issues are
• 31:59
  civilizational cracking issues. They crack the foundation of a
• 32:03
  Republic. They're not just like a debate
• 32:05
  over tax codes. And when we don't deal with
• 32:08
  those as the fundamental spiritual and theological issues
• 32:12
  that they are, the foundations will be destroyed and the
• 32:15
  righteous will be farting around going, how do we do?
• 32:17
  How do we restore this? What do we do?
• 32:19
  And I think it's really important for the church Mark to
• 32:22
  understand this. It wasn't.
• 32:24
  Christians who? First came up with the
• 32:27
  observation that abortion almost functions like a sacrament of
• 32:29
  secularism, a sacrament of paganism, a sacrament of Satan.
• 32:33
  That was the left openly acknowledging that, hey, this is
• 32:37
  kind of our sacrament. Jeanette Paris wrote a book in
• 32:39
  1991, the euro was born. It's called the sacrament of
• 32:41
  abortion. This is the name of a bug.
• 32:43
  And in the book she says we we need new rituals as well as law
• 32:46
  to restore abortion to its sacred dimension, which is both
• 32:51
  terrible and necessary. The Satanic Temple, have you
• 32:54
  seen them file lawsuits against the red states who pass pro-life
• 32:58
  laws? The Satanist will say your
• 33:00
  pro-life law is violating my religious liberty because here
• 33:04
  at the Satanic Temple, we murder children through abortion as
• 33:07
  part of a Sacramento ritual of our faith.
• 33:11
  So. They're calling it a sacrament.
• 33:12
  Like they did. It wasn't us who first did that
• 33:15
  and so. I think you could say like.
• 33:17
  Abortion is maybe the front door into paganism, So if they're
• 33:21
  saying abortion is their sacrament and that that that's
• 33:24
  their admission, then fine. I I believe you so, but worship.
• 33:27
  So sex is their worship. Yeah, that's right.
• 33:30
  And so then. Abortion.
• 33:31
  Is their sacrament. So when Paul says offer your
• 33:34
  body as a living sacrifice, that's good.
• 33:36
  So so sex is the worship and then abortion is the sacrament.
• 33:41
  That's the shedding of blood, Yeah.
• 33:43
  And so you put those. That's why sex and abortion are
• 33:47
  the issues. It's the worship in the
• 33:48
  sacrament of paganism. Those two sins have been linked
• 33:51
  since time. Immemorial.
• 33:52
  It's all the way back to Romans 1.
• 33:53
  You have a son named Gideon. That's the Asherah poles in the
• 33:56
  Bay. All statues brought right back
• 33:58
  together again. Always.
• 33:59
  What does he say? Walk out of the Angel of the
• 34:00
  Lord says Walk out of The Cave. You know Winepress?
• 34:03
  He's hiding up in the mountain cave.
• 34:04
  He's a Pansy and he says go tear down the Astra poles and the
• 34:08
  bail statues. That's that's sex cult orgy
• 34:11
  worship at your dad's and baby killing.
• 34:13
  Yeah, that's right at. Your dad's.
• 34:14
  House. Yeah.
• 34:14
  So it's. That's where it starts, Yeah,
• 34:16
  it's always so those two sins have always.
• 34:18
  Been linked and so when when I hear them talk about abortion
• 34:22
  that way I want to just scream and shake the head of every
• 34:25
  Christian in the church like but but did you just hear them but
• 34:27
  what's weird then the whole. Church mobilizes, activates and
• 34:32
  does the you know, the white guilt roadshow for George Floyd
• 34:36
  or for Renee Good and one person dies and all of a sudden
• 34:41
  everybody's activated for one pro-life and on the.
• 34:45
  Abortion issue. It's like, well, we don't do
• 34:47
  politics. Yeah.
• 34:49
  It's, it's just, it's, it's bizarre virtue signal to the
• 34:52
  left, demonic. It's always punching to the
• 34:54
  right. And virtue signaling to the left
• 34:57
  from the evangelical church. Yeah, yeah, even jellyfish.
• 35:00
  Yeah, it's it's it's just another version.
• 35:02
  Did God really say, are you really sure that he takes these
• 35:05
  sins out seriously? So what do we do when we have
• 35:09
  communion? But what do we do when we
• 35:11
  partake in the Lord's table? Are we, are we doing, are we
• 35:15
  engaging in an isolated, stand alone, disconnected religious
• 35:19
  act that has no relevance or connection to the rest of the
• 35:22
  worship service? No, no, the the, the body and
• 35:26
  the blood, the Lord's table. This, this is the representation
• 35:29
  and embodiment of the entire faith.
• 35:30
  It's connected to everything else in the worship service.
• 35:32
  It entails the rhetorical preaching of the gospel.
• 35:35
  It entails the touching. It entails the remembering.
• 35:38
  It entails the proclaiming that we're going to do this again one
• 35:40
  day because he said I won't drink it this vine until I drink
• 35:42
  it a new with you in my father's Kingdom.
• 35:43
  I mean, we're not doing an isolated spiritual act.
• 35:46
  We're engaging with the entire faith that the the elements
• 35:50
  represent. So if they say abortion is their
• 35:53
  sacrament, then we are not dealing with just another
• 35:57
  isolated political issue. That's the representation and
• 36:00
  embodiment of the entire faith behind it, doctrines of demons.
• 36:04
  And so it's connected to everything else in their faith.
• 36:07
  So you can't understand abortion without understanding sexual
• 36:10
  revolution, and you can't understand sexual revolution
• 36:12
  without understanding cultural Marxism, and you can't
• 36:15
  understand cultural Marxism without understanding cultural
• 36:17
  demons. This is all spiritual, but it
• 36:20
  wears the IT wears the skin suit or the flesh of follow the
• 36:24
  science or politics to keep the politically impotent pastor
• 36:28
  silent, who like Lot in San Francisco, in Sodom, will only
• 36:32
  speak as much truth as the spirit of the age allows him to,
• 36:34
  lest he lose his five O 1C3 status.
• 36:36
  Invitations to the night Sodomite parties or his plus one
• 36:39
  with Rick Warren and Klaus Schwab's private Jack to the
• 36:41
  World Economic Forum every year. So what keeps the pastors?
• 36:45
  There their networks, their denominations, their governance
• 36:49
  and their boards. And that is the entire system
• 36:53
  from top to bottom is created to not get in trouble.
• 36:58
  And so every pastor ultimately their performance review is he's
• 37:04
  a nice guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, as
• 37:08
  long as he's a nice guy. And so, within evangelicalism, a
• 37:11
  pastor will get in trouble for sins of Commission, but not
• 37:16
  omission. If he's lazy, we.
• 37:19
  Won't fire him. If he's a coward, we won't fire
• 37:21
  him. If he doesn't pick a fight, we
• 37:22
  won't fire him now. If he gets a bad Yelp.
• 37:26
  Review or somebody leaves the church, or a board member's
• 37:29
  wife. You know, you know.
• 37:32
  Is angry and you. Know rides are broomed to the
• 37:34
  church to protest then you know we we're going to have an issue
• 37:39
  with right yeah and so all of evangelicalism is worried about
• 37:42
  sins of Commission not sins of omission I mean the the average
• 37:46
  pastor his sins are all sins of omission and it's all the way
• 37:50
  back to Genesis 3 it's not that he's doing something wrong it's
• 37:53
  that he's not doing a damn thing yeah that's it's not that he's
• 37:56
  saying something wrong it's that he's not saying a damn thing
• 37:59
  that's what my church. Tours about right now that we've
• 38:04
  been going around doing is the glories of the dominion mandate.
• 38:08
  This is this is one of the most neglected passages by pastors
• 38:12
  and pulpits in the American churches in my opinion that
• 38:14
  touches everything. I did a whole men's series.
• 38:18
  For a semester on dominion, telling guys the dominion
• 38:22
  mandate and they need to exercise the dominion that God
• 38:25
  gives them. And then the goal is to extend
• 38:27
  your dominion as a man, your, your job is to spend the rest of
• 38:31
  your life extending the dominion opportunity on behalf of the
• 38:34
  king who has extended his dominion to you.
• 38:37
  So both of you guys. Very much agree on you get the
• 38:41
  men, you can fix the problem, the issues, the freaking.
• 38:43
  Men, that's the issue. That's the issue.
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  Well, howdy Pastor Mark here, wanting to thank our partners at
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• 39:57
  solve this problem. You drink soy milk.
• 39:59
  You can't carry one of these young women Want to see a man
• 40:02
  hold one of these, There's a real man sign.
• 40:03
  You're a real man. You need one of these.
• 40:05
  Christian nationalism, right? You got a girlfriend, You will
• 40:09
  by the time you get to the Supreme Court with this.
• 40:12
  That beard, it's better. Than what I can grow.
• 40:15
  And then you hold one of these, man.
• 40:16
  I'm telling you man, estrogen will be flowing like the same in
• 40:20
  a Capistrano and put hair on your chest.
• 40:21
  You want Aslan or life is our revolution?
• 40:23
  You think the pro-life movement's too feminine?
• 40:26
  100% absolutely. You're a real man.
• 40:29
  You need one of these. Oh, Nikolai needs a girl.
• 40:31
  You take this dude, some girl's going to want you.
• 40:33
  Those super masculine equal amounts of testosterone.
• 40:36
  Death is not welcome here. Unfortunately.
• 40:38
  We got to. We got to even tell that to the
• 40:40
  Republican Party sometimes. We need the real man son, you
• 40:43
  like this one That these like cowardly pro-life organizations
• 40:46
  know that Gen. Z men are going to change the
• 40:47
  world. We got to let the mean tweeting
• 40:49
  Orange man know that only Christians will end abortion.
• 40:55
  I love it so so. Why are men so important in the
• 40:58
  pro-life movement? Every woman gets pregnant.
• 41:01
  By one, yeah. So, you know, if you're going to
• 41:04
  go up the supply chain, that is sort of The Fountainhead of the
• 41:08
  issue, Mark, I made. I made a joke.
• 41:10
  Back in college and, and it like offended everyone.
• 41:15
  And that should have been my warnings on that.
• 41:17
  I should have left that college. But I was like, I thought it was
• 41:19
  Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
• 41:20
  And I put that on Facebook. I was like 19.
• 41:22
  I was like a freshman and like, you're like, that's so
• 41:24
  offensive. And this was this was before a
• 41:26
  burger fell, right? But yeah, I mean, that's the
• 41:29
  obvious. That's the obvious answer.
• 41:31
  But yeah, so when women fight, it's not pretty.
• 41:37
  And I don't think women should be in warfare.
• 41:41
  I don't think that they should be wielding AR fifteens.
• 41:44
  And, and I don't think they should be going overseas to to
• 41:47
  kill people and keep America free.
• 41:50
  I think that there is a role for the family and a role for women
• 41:57
  in every justice movement. But I don't think that women
• 42:01
  should necessarily all be leading the charge against
• 42:05
  Moloch. And that's often very offensive
• 42:09
  to people because we breathe. In feminism, we'd breathe.
• 42:15
  In it's trace. Particles about as often as our
• 42:18
  grandparents breathed in the trace particles of Christendom.
• 42:21
  It's the new Pagan religion. And so we just think it's just
• 42:26
  wonderful when a woman is tearing down the high places.
• 42:29
  I think if a woman has to tear down the high places, that's an
• 42:31
  indictment on the men who let it stand.
• 42:33
  Come on. So.
• 42:35
  That's that's where we're from and.
• 42:36
  In that I mean. We've even you know, you know
• 42:38
  for a fact, if a woman is going to have an abortion and the man
• 42:42
  who got her pregnant says I will raise the child with you, she
• 42:46
  becomes pro-life for that child. Yeah, that's true in the vast.
• 42:50
  Majority of cases exactly there's always some there's
• 42:52
  exceptions Jezebel spirit who sure I'm going to kill this FN
• 42:56
  and then I'm going to yeah but yeah the the common denominator
• 42:59
  the most common denominator for the reasons women submit in in
• 43:03
  polling of why they got an abortion you can you can reduce
• 43:05
  almost all of those reasons back to the absence of the father or
• 43:09
  the presence of a deadbeat and so if you get the.
• 43:13
  Men, then actually the statistics change.
• 43:16
  If the men don't impregnate the women and if the women are
• 43:19
  pregnant and the men are committed to raising the child,
• 43:23
  then literally the entire industry starts to flip just
• 43:28
  based upon the fact that men are leaders in head and if they take
• 43:32
  responsibility, the need for the industry diminishes.
• 43:35
  Amen and. And so, Mark, I've been talking
• 43:38
  about this more and more. I just launched A5O1C4 that
• 43:42
  we're trying to get funded up on the up on the up moving quickly
• 43:45
  here to get the right righteous laws passed in in deeper red
• 43:48
  states. But one of the reasons that we
• 43:50
  have not ended abortion in a single state in this country.
• 43:55
  I think for a super this should not be controversial, but it
• 43:58
  will be to people. I think it's because the
• 44:00
  pro-life movement is LED largely by women and women who have a
• 44:05
  natural inclination towards empathy and to identify with
• 44:09
  this person struggling, which is beautiful in its place.
• 44:14
  But when that's put at the head of a multi $1,000,000
• 44:17
  organization committed to tearing down child sacrifice, it
• 44:23
  can get really twisted. And so there's this whole debate
• 44:27
  right now, and we can do an hour and a half just on this topic.
• 44:30
  But what we'll keep it short in the pro-life movement about how
• 44:33
  do you end abortion? And some people say, well, women
• 44:38
  are victims, therefore they should never face legal
• 44:42
  consequences for killing their baby, even after it's been made
• 44:48
  illegal at the state level. And then the other side says,
• 44:52
  and what's crazy is because I get this really unique
• 44:54
  opportunity mark of being in so many pulpit, so many churches
• 44:57
  all around the country. I test it.
• 44:59
  I like because I like to get that data back, especially when
• 45:01
  I'm in a different culture, because states, states have
• 45:03
  different cultures in America. And I and I just kind of put it
• 45:06
  out there. I can get almost any evangelical
• 45:08
  who's dead, but they don't go to the March for life.
• 45:10
  They're not like pro-life movement people.
• 45:11
  They're just people who love Jesus and they want to see the
• 45:13
  end of abortion. But maybe they're not super in
• 45:15
  the movement. I can get them in about 60
• 45:17
  seconds to 120 seconds to be like, Oh yeah, obviously the
• 45:20
  same laws that protect infants need to be applied to the
• 45:22
  unborn. And it's not about hanging
• 45:24
  women. That's stupid.
• 45:25
  It's about applying legal protection to unborn babies so
• 45:28
  that anyone involved in the legal consistency of an unborn
• 45:31
  baby would face would face consequences.
• 45:33
  That's and then every evangelical is like, that makes
• 45:35
  a lot of sense. And I'm like, you have more
• 45:37
  wisdom as a lay Christian than most of the multi $1,000,000
• 45:40
  pro-life organizations who right now are actively working against
• 45:43
  those laws and pressuring state level legislators.
• 45:46
  There's basically saying you're naughty, naughty, meanie
• 45:48
  Christian nationalists overturn the 19th amendment chauvinists
• 45:53
  because you want to apply the same legal protections infants
• 45:57
  have to unborn babies. So there's this whole debate
• 45:59
  right now in the pro-life establishment like there's big
• 46:01
  pharma, big tech, big Eva, there's big baby or big
• 46:05
  pro-life. And I'm convinced not all of
• 46:08
  them. I think some of them are, are,
• 46:11
  are ignorant, misinformed and they're persuadable.
• 46:15
  But there's a lot of them who I think and and this this will be
• 46:18
  very offensive to them. But I think it's time we start
• 46:20
  saying this and saying it clearly there are some, OK, I
• 46:23
  will assume the best of you until you give me a reason not
• 46:26
  to. And there are people in this
• 46:27
  movement who I tried to assume the best of and then they gave
• 46:30
  me reasons not to. And I think they want to keep
• 46:33
  abortion going, the fight against abortion going because
• 46:37
  it brings in a lot of money for the organization.
• 46:40
  I don't want to do I'm 30 before.
• 46:41
  I don't want to be doing this in my 50s, OK, after we end
• 46:44
  abortion. I want to overturn Obergefell.
• 46:47
  I want children have a right to a mother and a father and this
• 46:50
  gay marriage decision is evil and it needs to go.
• 46:52
  I want to be rebuilding Christendom.
• 46:54
  I don't want my my children or my grandchildren to be The
• 46:57
  Pioneers of a new civilization. I want it to end.
• 47:00
  I want the church to wake up. I want to tear down the high
• 47:02
  places and I want babies to be protected and given legal
• 47:04
  protection. And so there's this whole debate
• 47:06
  now, but here. But my point is saying all that
• 47:08
  is why? Because tons of those major
• 47:11
  organizations coming out against equal protection for the unborn
• 47:15
  babies are led by women. And maybe that is too
• 47:19
  spiritually dark, bloody and violent of a fight for a woman.
• 47:24
  To be at the head of. That doesn't mean there's no
• 47:27
  role for you in ending abortion, but because of the female
• 47:32
  beautiful image bearers of God and inclinations towards empathy
• 47:36
  often causes them to misplace the victim and get it mixed up.
• 47:41
  Are women victims OK? OK, sure.
• 47:46
  Of of the culture of the lives of feminism, other university
• 47:48
  professor? Sure.
• 47:50
  You know who else has a big guy? Most.
• 47:52
  Pedophiles are. Victims.
• 47:55
  Most pedophiles were sexually. Abused themselves.
• 47:58
  So if you apply that logic of because women are victims,
• 48:01
  they've been told lies about the fetus.
• 48:02
  They just didn't know. And so therefore they should
• 48:04
  face no legal consequences that they murder their baby after
• 48:07
  it's illegal. Apply that logic to the
• 48:09
  pedophile. He's a victim.
• 48:10
  He was raped as a little boy. So he's all messed up in his
• 48:14
  head because he's a victim. So here's what we need to do,
• 48:17
  right? Obviously we need to make sure
• 48:19
  that there are no penalties for pedophiles who anally rape 9
• 48:23
  year olds because the pedophiles.
• 48:25
  A victim? No.
• 48:25
  See, no one likes that, right? Why should that be different for
• 48:29
  the unborn child? And so that's why I believe that
• 48:32
  men should be leading this. We were built for warfare.
• 48:35
  There's been a declaration of war from the first chapters of
• 48:38
  the Bible. I was at enmity between you,
• 48:39
  Snake, and her, and between your offspring Snake and her
• 48:43
  offspring, a declaration of war. So this is considered being an.
• 48:47
  Abolitionist, so I so that's. So, and This is why you're
• 48:51
  getting I love. William Wilberforce.
• 48:53
  And I love the phrase abolitionist, and I've got no
• 48:56
  problem with anyone who wants to use that term.
• 48:59
  I adore Jeff Durbin. I adore Bradley Pierce and Jason
• 49:05
  Storms, to name some of them. I got no problem with anyone
• 49:09
  that wants to use that phrase. But there's a certain reputation
• 49:14
  that abolitionists have developed for themselves.
• 49:19
  And it's it's a navel gazing, prideful, self obsessed anyone
• 49:25
  who disagrees one iota in my strategic, strategic approach to
• 49:28
  ending abortion is an idiot has blood on their hands and needs
• 49:31
  to repent that they've developed a reputation of that.
• 49:35
  I've I've been the target of things of said like that.
• 49:37
  And so I've got no problem with anyone that wants to use that
• 49:41
  phrase. Their criticisms of the pro-life
• 49:43
  establishment are correct. But we at White Rose, we just
• 49:47
  say we support equal rights protection to criminalize and
• 49:49
  end abortion. And the only way you're going to
• 49:51
  do that is by applying legal protection to the unborn baby.
• 49:53
  If you want to call me an abolitionist, sure.
• 49:56
  But I we can't do ministry with a lot of them because they've
• 50:01
  done so much damage to how they're perceived that when I'm
• 50:04
  trying to get like a sweet Evan jellyfish man or woman to join
• 50:09
  her movement, they're, they're like, oh, you abolitionist.
• 50:13
  Because they're like, I don't, I don't want to do messy with you.
• 50:15
  And I'm like, wait, I don't even know those guys.
• 50:16
  So it, it's gotten, yeah, when, when you're tearing down high
• 50:19
  places, things get messy. But part of it too, I'd say, as
• 50:22
  a pastor. There has to be.
• 50:24
  And this is not compromise, it's process.
• 50:27
  You know, when you're discipling someone, there is a process to
• 50:31
  it. You know, like most people don't
• 50:33
  wake up day one and have, you know, some sort of spiritual
• 50:36
  maturity. It's going to take a while to
• 50:38
  get them there. I mean, and, and that's true
• 50:41
  with anything, whether it's the life, I mean, even just taking
• 50:43
  a, a guy who's sleeping with his girlfriend meets Jesus, It's not
• 50:47
  15 days later. He's a model husband.
• 50:50
  You got some work to do first he's got to peer up the
• 50:53
  sphincter and then, you know, find the light and then walk
• 50:56
  toward the light and he's got some work to do.
• 50:58
  And so, you know, the discipleship process is one that
• 51:02
  if you are a radical purist and it's everyone here or an enemy,
• 51:07
  yeah, it's like, no, there there has to be some way of moving
• 51:10
  people and continually moving people.
• 51:12
  Now, when you're not continually moving people, at that point
• 51:15
  you're compromised. Yeah, that's right.
• 51:17
  But if you're continually moving people, now you're disciple.
• 51:20
  And and to me, that's the that's the role and responsibility of
• 51:24
  anybody who's doing any leadership in ministry.
• 51:26
  I mean, that's, that's what I'm trying to do every week.
• 51:28
  I mean, this week and I I was hitting the life issue this
• 51:31
  weekend in the pulpit. I mean, I thou shalt not murder.
• 51:34
  I'm in the 10 commandments. So I did AI did a whole I mean,
• 51:38
  probably half my sermon was pro-life and I went over by 23
• 51:41
  minutes the whole service, you know, but I told the people that
• 51:45
  are there like, if you disagree with me, listen to me, give me a
• 51:49
  hearing, don't rush to judgement.
• 51:51
  Let me push you for a while and see if I can get you to start to
• 51:55
  move. You know what I mean?
• 51:57
  And that's my job as a shepherd is to try and get you to move.
• 52:00
  And so, yeah, for those that are radical purists, I mean, even if
• 52:03
  we agree with him, it's like, how do we, how do we move people
• 52:06
  into that direction and start into that process?
• 52:09
  Amen. Yeah.
• 52:10
  Well, we actually. Don't have much time left, so
• 52:14
  not all moments in history are created equal.
• 52:18
  There are moments in history that compound and you, how you
• 52:25
  live in that moment carries more weight and matters more for your
• 52:30
  civilization than maybe it would have 80 years before that We're
• 52:33
  living in, I guess is what I'm saying is a season of the last
• 52:35
  stand and there's been other seasons of the last stand
• 52:39
  throughout history. So what do you, what do you
• 52:41
  think that is? Do you think that's?
• 52:42
  Population decline, the country is really moving toward Marxism
• 52:47
  and it's moving toward Islam that, you know, if, if the
• 52:51
  midterms don't go well, we're just looking at lawfare and then
• 52:54
  the next election could be a Cliff.
• 52:56
  I mean, what do you think is causing this timeline to be
• 52:59
  short in your opinion? Yes, all of that.
• 53:03
  OK, it's all. Connected SO.
• 53:06
  JD Unwin wrote this book in 1934.
• 53:09
  It's more of a study. It's very fat.
• 53:11
  It's about this big. I just went viral on Instagram,
• 53:14
  actually from my buddies at Cross Politic who posted this,
• 53:17
  not me that I was at Amfest. They put, they took the clip,
• 53:19
  but it's like over 2,000,000 right now.
• 53:21
  And then I got community noted because JD Unwin's research and
• 53:25
  findings are such a indictment on the false promises of
• 53:29
  liberalism, which if I can summarize, can I summarize
• 53:31
  liberalism in the 21st century? Really quick orgasms without
• 53:34
  responsibility, all the feel good, none of the consequences
• 53:39
  of my decision. That's that would be really good
• 53:41
  layman's explanation of liberalism.
• 53:43
  And so he writes his book. That's a total indictment on
• 53:46
  that in 1934. So that's 92 years ago.
• 53:49
  It's called Sex and Culture. And he it's really a study.
• 53:51
  It's not very fun reading. It's very dense.
• 53:53
  So it's his research methods, his findings, his conclusions,
• 53:56
  and he looks at 86 civilizations over 5000 years.
• 54:00
  And he asked the question, why did they rise?
• 54:02
  Why did they fall if and then if they rose and they continued for
• 54:05
  a long time, longer than others? Why?
• 54:08
  And shocker of shockers, he finds a 100% correlation between
• 54:14
  the coupling of prenuptial chastity with absolute monogamy
• 54:17
  and cultural energy, cultural power, cultural prowess.
• 54:23
  Meaning don't have sex before you get married and once you get
• 54:25
  married have a bunch of sex and out breed the enemy and and
• 54:28
  raise them to be little dragon Slayer.
• 54:30
  So like like oh shocker, you mean Genesis 1 and two.
• 54:32
  Well, and then you dad is motivated.
• 54:35
  To make a lot of money because now he has errors and now you're
• 54:38
  building generational wealth sacrificial.
• 54:40
  Now you. Now you're building
• 54:41
  generational. Wealth.
• 54:43
  Rather than divvying it up between your estates and your
• 54:46
  attorneys. Well, and by the way, Mark, as
• 54:48
  you know, that's why. In this Republic, you used to
• 54:51
  have to own land and have children before you.
• 54:53
  That would fix everything you would.
• 54:56
  Fix everything. Because you know you have to
• 54:58
  have a stake in the future, so. Obviously, Yeah.
• 55:00
  When you're having a bunch of sex with your wife and you're
• 55:02
  spitting out little dragon slayers and catechizing them,
• 55:04
  and then you wake up and you look at these little dragon
• 55:06
  slayers and you're like, Oh my gosh, I need to work harder.
• 55:09
  You know? So it's like, duh, duh.
• 55:11
  Like put a Butch, bald, second wave, ugly feminist with armpit
• 55:16
  hair who reads the Mon de Beauvoir against Mark Driscoll.
• 55:20
  Driscoll wins all day, every day.
• 55:21
  Like, that should be a video game, honestly.
• 55:24
  And so somebody. Wants to do that.
• 55:26
  I have no objection. I will write off my IP
• 55:30
  appearance and gladly just tied back 10% to.
• 55:34
  Real faith and we'll be. Good first rounds of gay Pull
• 55:36
  the answer. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:38
  I'm a good Joel Osteen on that one.
• 55:39
  The praises go up. The blessings come down anyways.
• 55:42
  Go on. And then, and then, and then he
• 55:44
  asked the other question too, of like, why do civilizations die?
• 55:47
  Shocker, civilizations that adopt what he called and this is
• 55:52
  what he That's a great way to put it.
• 55:55
  That's that's the, that's the. 21st century Driscollonian.
• 55:58
  Sort of, you know, way to say that.
• 56:00
  But total sexual freedom if you adopt Total?
• 56:05
  Sexual freedom, he. Said once a civilization does
• 56:07
  that and that this was important, he said and and that
• 56:10
  they don't do anything to reel it back in.
• 56:14
  So if they adopt it, but then they change it and they pass new
• 56:16
  laws and they try to restrain that, then then it's different.
• 56:19
  But if you adopt total sexual freedom and it's just hands off,
• 56:22
  he says. Within 3 generations, that
• 56:25
  civilization goes to what he. Calls a dead level.
• 56:31
  Of conception, he calls it inert.
• 56:34
  He borrows here from Edward from Gibbon, his rise and fall of the
• 56:38
  Roman Empire, multi volume crazy music where their art starts to
• 56:42
  suck, they start to become obsessed with sex and Neil
• 56:46
  Peglia does the same thing. But so within this, just
• 56:51
  imagine. So this is the.
• 56:52
  This is the naughty mind mount. You take porn and robotics,
• 56:58
  right? Yeah, of course.
• 56:58
  I've talked about this on my show.
• 57:00
  And then you've got a generation of men.
• 57:03
  That they can do whatever they want.
• 57:06
  They don't have to have a relationship.
• 57:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't have to.
• 57:09
  Oh yeah, Bill Burrs made jokes about this and the whole.
• 57:12
  Audience cracks up because they know it's true.
• 57:13
  Well, yeah, they don't have to. Ever.
• 57:15
  Why have to? Pregnancy a woman and listen to
• 57:17
  her. Problems and hold her hand and
• 57:19
  say I'm sorry about your heart flowers.
• 57:21
  That's Valentine's. Day you walk in the front.
• 57:23
  Door, Yeah. Exactly.
• 57:25
  Where we're going, bro. Well, when that happens.
• 57:27
  I mean. We're done.
• 57:28
  Population over. Yeah, it's one generation.
• 57:32
  And. Then sex robots is the beginning
• 57:34
  of the end. It's.
• 57:35
  Over. It's over.
• 57:36
  It's over. I mean your dog.
• 57:37
  'S gonna love it because they're gonna get your house yeah
• 57:40
  exactly like the dogs are gonna take over all the.
• 57:42
  Estates, JD. Unwin writes this 92 years ago,
• 57:44
  Mark. It has been buried by the.
• 57:47
  Academic left. And the trannies for decades, so
• 57:50
  much so that I've brought this up, I won't say to who, but I
• 57:53
  brought this up to absolute warriors, culture warriors,
• 57:55
  super smart people that you and I know that we love.
• 57:58
  And they're like, I have never heard of JD on oneself like they
• 58:02
  they have. Buried this and he.
• 58:04
  What is he? Let me just restate that he
• 58:06
  looked at 86 civilizations over 5000 flipping years and found a
• 58:11
  100% correlation. Wow, between sexual restraint,
• 58:16
  monogamous marriage, procreation and cultural zeal, cultural
• 58:21
  energy, cultural power, cultural growth and a 100% correlation
• 58:25
  beating Palais Royale, Jacobin, Robespierre, Marquis de Saad,
• 58:30
  Kate Millett, Sexual revolution, Woodstock free the nipple free
• 58:34
  the libido, sexual insanity, and the death of civilizations.
• 58:38
  And he says within 3 generations they're taken over by another
• 58:42
  civilization with greater social energy willing to outwork and
• 58:45
  out sacrifice them. So here's the question When did
• 58:49
  America embrace? Total sexual freedom.
• 58:52
  I think it. Was 1970. 3 For three reasons
• 58:58
  Roe versus Wade birth control Abortion No.
• 59:01
  Controls even before that, but all in the early 70s, yeah.
• 59:05
  Percent, it all goes. Together.
• 59:06
  No, you're totally right, Mark. But baby killing all three, all
• 59:09
  three months, all, all nine months of pregnancy for any
• 59:11
  reason or no reason at All, in all 50 states funded by the
• 59:12
  taxpayer #2 the Endangered Species Act in the same year.
• 59:18
  That we declared open. Season on unborn children.
• 59:21
  We gave more legal protections to porpoises and sea turtles and
• 59:24
  human babies, Chesterton once said.
• 59:26
  Wherever there is animal worship, there will be human
• 59:29
  sacrifice. And thirdly, the Supreme Court
• 59:33
  removed their obscenity laws, thereby allowing the legal
• 59:36
  distribution of pornea. Yeah, because we can't define
• 59:39
  pornography. So in the same.
• 59:40
  Year we. Got Ashra?
• 59:48
  Bail and Moloch, we got animal. Worship child sacrifice, that's
• 59:53
  a counterfeit. That's what I'm saying.
• 59:56
  I'm saying that we actually came into an agreement with the
• 59:58
  devil. We actually came in agreement
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  with very dark forces. This is not just political.
• 1:00:03
  So if I'm right that with all those three happening 73 if that
• 1:00:06
  if that OK, what do I mean by that?
• 1:00:07
  You don't have total sexual freedom if you still have to
• 1:00:09
  raise the kids. You only have total total sexual
• 1:00:14
  freedom if you. Have the right to.
• 1:00:16
  Murder the products of your sexual freedom.
• 1:00:21
  Those came together in 73 so 73 he and by the way, when he says
• 1:00:25
  3 generations that they're done, he on when in in 1932 was was
• 1:00:30
  defining that as 30 year increments 30 to 33 years as a
• 1:00:34
  generation. So basically once you adopt
• 1:00:36
  total sexual freedom, you have roughly 100 years and you're
• 1:00:38
  done, you're done. You're another society with
• 1:00:40
  greater social energy will take over you.
• 1:00:42
  So 73, if I'm right, leads to 2003, 2003 leads to 2033, and
• 1:00:47
  then starts the 3rd and final chapter.
• 1:00:50
  So we're they didn't have sex robots.
• 1:00:52
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, that which which could like be.
• 1:00:54
  The kerosene on the timeline, yeah.
• 1:00:56
  So we're fast approaching what could be called the third and
• 1:00:59
  final chapter. This is a last stand moment.
• 1:01:02
  And by the way, radical Islamist jihadists will be God's judgment
• 1:01:06
  on soy boy pastors who didn't recognize the signs of the time
• 1:01:10
  like Aslan in the silver Tell Silver Chair told Joel Paul to
• 1:01:13
  recognize, remember, remember, remember the signs.
• 1:01:15
  Repeat them to yourself. Don't miss the signs.
• 1:01:16
  Don't miss the signs. Don't miss the signs.
• 1:01:18
  They're missing the signs and and while Islam is obviously a
• 1:01:23
  demonic faith with a founder who was a pedophile, one of whose
• 1:01:26
  wives was a minor. Very.
• 1:01:29
  They're will. Yeah, yeah, very.
• 1:01:30
  Like, yeah, I know you just had the centers on.
• 1:01:32
  I adore them. Yeah, But like, my my point is
• 1:01:35
  not that they're like this monogamous faith.
• 1:01:37
  They're not, but they're they they're a procreation.
• 1:01:40
  They put a lot of people in the future.
• 1:01:41
  And they build communities. Around sacrifice.
• 1:01:43
  And duty and meaning in a way that the intelligence, religion.
• 1:01:48
  They're masculine. They're reproductive, they don't
• 1:01:51
  mind conflict. So that will be the society with
• 1:01:54
  greater. Cultural energy if if we don't
• 1:01:57
  think if we throw drag queen story hour up against.
• 1:02:00
  Jihadists. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Oh, this is another interesting sort of history here.
• 1:02:04
  Drag Queen Story hour is 1 of the Canaries in a coal mine for
• 1:02:08
  the death of a civilization. And that's not just like a cool
• 1:02:10
  talking point that you can cut in a real.
• 1:02:12
  That's like historically proven true, like when drag left the
• 1:02:16
  theater stage and went to the public square in ancient Rome.
• 1:02:20
  It was it was the he does, he does, he does writes about the
• 1:02:23
  Galois. Yeah, yes, yes.
• 1:02:25
  And said this was the beginning of the end.
• 1:02:27
  And then and then jump forward. Let's let's look at the Jacobins
• 1:02:30
  in the Palais Royale in with the well in the Mataki Desad who
• 1:02:33
  sets up stage. Well, Rousseau set the stage
• 1:02:35
  before Desad and then Desad and then Robespierre.
• 1:02:37
  But like that they were doing drag queen performances in the
• 1:02:41
  Palais Royale with the Duke Dorleone and and all of the
• 1:02:44
  Jacobins during the French Revolution.
• 1:02:46
  They, they, you can go to these little Parisian cafes and get
• 1:02:49
  these really interesting liqueurs and then you could like
• 1:02:51
  pick between like a prostitute sex with a dwarf or prostitute
• 1:02:53
  sex with a 7 foot giant. This was all going on the weird
• 1:02:57
  and the absurd that sound like leftism.
• 1:02:59
  And then they had like these rooms above the Parisian cafes
• 1:03:02
  in the Palo Royale brothels full of children.
• 1:03:05
  So it's always the same cultural marker.
• 1:03:07
  And what was the result of all that, by the way, Napoleon,
• 1:03:12
  because moral anarchy is always the seed bed of deer.
• 1:03:15
  It's always the same cultural markers.
• 1:03:17
  It's it's the it's the neglect and murder of children who can
• 1:03:20
  be abandoned, mistreated, the sexualization of the young, the
• 1:03:24
  endangerment of women and gender bending madness.
• 1:03:29
  That that those, when those things come together, it's
• 1:03:31
  always one of the final breath before.
• 1:03:35
  The Civilization ghost. Of the dodo bird.
• 1:03:38
  So like we're literally living in a season of The Last Stand.
• 1:03:42
  And that's my next film. I my next book we're doing an
• 1:03:46
  event in June, June 5th and 6th. We'd love for people to come
• 1:03:49
  out. You can go to thelaststand.com
• 1:03:50
  right now. The last stand.com we have Ali
• 1:03:52
  Bestuckey, Steve Days Denver at Brave Church, Pastor Jeff
• 1:03:57
  Schwartzen from That's a good news.
• 1:04:00
  Top church partners. Yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, he's a great guy. We've got Rob McCoy.
• 1:04:04
  We've got. We've got Frank Turek and
• 1:04:10
  Charlie had it on his calendar and he actually gave the seed
• 1:04:14
  money to me in 2022 to launch the White Rose Resistance.
• 1:04:17
  So we're we're actually dedicating the entire film to
• 1:04:22
  Charlie, The Last Stand. It's a 90 minute documentary and
• 1:04:24
  it's the glorious, beautiful, forgotten and long neglected
• 1:04:30
  heritage of Christian resistance in the last 2000 years of the
• 1:04:34
  heroes who gone before us and didn't think this was political,
• 1:04:37
  This was the gospel, this was the Imago Day, this was the
• 1:04:40
  Dominion Mandate. And it's always contending
• 1:04:42
  against the same evils. When the church retreats, the
• 1:04:45
  old foes resurrect every single time.
• 1:04:49
  So that's what this film's about.
• 1:04:50
  We filmed in Rome, Paris and London, the three great cities
• 1:04:52
  of history. So we'll premiere that film at
• 1:04:54
  the Last Stand Festival, June 5th and 6th, and then we'll have
• 1:04:57
  it available to screen in churches all around the country.
• 1:05:00
  And that's how I did my last film, the 1916 project.
• 1:05:02
  And it blew up because the only way to see it was at a church
• 1:05:05
  that hosts the screening and that saved babies, and it
• 1:05:07
  launched resistance chapters. And so that's what we're doing.
• 1:05:10
  Cool. You want to show it eternity?
• 1:05:12
  Yeah. I'd love to you.
• 1:05:13
  OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're getting.
• 1:05:14
  Close comes out June, and the very next day we'll take it to
• 1:05:18
  the churches of America. I love it.
• 1:05:19
  This is the trailer, right? Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah. Let's watch the.
• 1:05:22
  Trailer and then we can wrap up. Thank you for.
• 1:05:26
  Centuries. The church.
• 1:05:27
  Shaped the West, then came the Enlightenment, and with it a
• 1:05:32
  wave of destruction. But they didn't just reject God,
• 1:05:36
  they set fire to anything that reminded them of Him we're
• 1:05:42
  facing. A real.
• 1:05:44
  Crisis I don't want my grandchildren they have to be
• 1:05:47
  The Pioneers of a new civilization when scripture says
• 1:05:51
  that there's nothing new under the.
• 1:05:53
  Sun We're getting insights into the fact that things are
• 1:05:56
  spiritually consistent. The bloodiest century in.
• 1:05:59
  History was. Not an accident, it was a choice
• 1:06:02
  And today in the 21st century, we are making similar choices
• 1:06:06
  that could lead to something equally deadly.
• 1:06:09
  The question is, will we be faithful and will we stand now?
• 1:06:17
  We can look back at the Christians and the.
• 1:06:19
  Scholars and the philosophers who fought for goodness and
• 1:06:22
  righteousness centuries ago, millennia ago.
• 1:06:26
  And we can see, OK, how did they answer the questions that we are
• 1:06:29
  grappling with? We're telling the stories that
• 1:06:32
  American Christians have forgotten about the heroes of
• 1:06:36
  the faith and the Church fathers who stood against a culture of
• 1:06:40
  death. This is our last state.
• 1:07:38
  Congratulations. Thank you.
• 1:07:40
  Incredible. And it's also a book.
• 1:07:42
  It's. Called the last day in Chrysler.
• 1:07:43
  Chaos, the war for the West and that goes way deeper just in the
• 1:07:47
  history because there's so many glorious like forgotten stories
• 1:07:51
  that I don't I can't tell all of them is in a film, but maybe
• 1:07:54
  it's the Holy Spirit. I'll give you 1.
• 1:07:56
  Thought in closing and just came to mind Could you take those
• 1:08:01
  stories and turn them into a children's book?
• 1:08:04
  Yeah, it's a great idea. So that.
• 1:08:07
  We could also tell those. Stories to the kids.
• 1:08:09
  That's a beautiful, beautiful idea.
• 1:08:12
  I tell some of those in the book, some short versions of
• 1:08:15
  those, but taking those with like beautiful animations and
• 1:08:20
  then turning it into and like, you know, because we don't
• 1:08:24
  really understand who we are if we don't know who came before
• 1:08:28
  us, if we don't know who built the foundations that we're
• 1:08:31
  standing on. I love this line from
• 1:08:36
  Chesterton, he said. That the men.
• 1:08:41
  The the the reason that. Men don't understand the past is
• 1:08:44
  that they don't understand the we don't understand the present
• 1:08:47
  because we don't understand the past.
• 1:08:48
  History is a hill or high point of vantage from which alone a
• 1:08:54
  man sees the town in which he lives or the age in which he is
• 1:08:57
  living. If you don't understand the hill
• 1:09:00
  of history, you, you don't even see your own town or your own
• 1:09:03
  age correctly. And honestly, studying these
• 1:09:06
  stories, it's like, dude, it's, it's way more epic than freaking
• 1:09:11
  Marvel or like Superman or Batman.
• 1:09:14
  I'm like, do these people actually lived?
• 1:09:17
  And the stories are profound and inspirational.
• 1:09:20
  I'll just tell you one short one.
• 1:09:22
  This Callistus was a Christian slave in the 2nd century, second
• 1:09:28
  or third century, and he got freed from a generous benefactor
• 1:09:32
  and he was given stewardship of the church's first piece of real
• 1:09:38
  estate on the Appian way. It was a cemetery.
• 1:09:42
  Remember Paul refers and acts to those of Appian is the main way
• 1:09:45
  in and out of Rome. I filmed on the Appian way for
• 1:09:47
  the last in film and, and, and, and, you know, people came into
• 1:09:53
  conflict with this bold, beautiful vision of Christianity
• 1:09:57
  because instead of burning the dead, they, they would bury
• 1:10:00
  them. And, and, and so he's here on
• 1:10:02
  the Appian way and Callistus comes into conflict with what
• 1:10:06
  was very common in that era, child abandonment and
• 1:10:09
  infanticide, just leaving children on what they called
• 1:10:11
  infanticide walls. Just leave him there.
• 1:10:13
  If the dad didn't want the baby cleft lip wrong.
• 1:10:15
  Gender doesn't matter. Animals might eat him to death.
• 1:10:19
  Sometimes what would happen is a dude would walk by and Justin
• 1:10:23
  the Martyr says that this was common.
• 1:10:24
  He did oh a baby, take it, raise it to work in a brothel.
• 1:10:29
  So most of the babies that were abandoned.
• 1:10:31
  By ancient Romans. Most of them didn't die.
• 1:10:34
  They were rescued by a stranger to begin the life of.
• 1:10:38
  Sexual slavery. And Callistus comes into with us
• 1:10:42
  and the first thing he does is he set up something called life
• 1:10:45
  watches. Life watches.
• 1:10:48
  And he would. Position Christians on the
• 1:10:50
  perimeter, on the edge of the bushes where these infanticide
• 1:10:54
  walls were placed, where they would place infants to die, and
• 1:10:57
  Christians would watch and wait. And when a mother or father.
• 1:11:01
  Would abandoned a. Baby the Christian would run up,
• 1:11:05
  rescue the child, find a Christian home where that child
• 1:11:10
  would be raised in the fear. And admonition of the.
• 1:11:12
  Lord and thus pro-life sidewalk counseling in the adoption
• 1:11:16
  movement were launched in the same moment.
• 1:11:20
  We don't even know these stories.
• 1:11:21
  That's the that's. The first iteration of sidewalk
• 1:11:23
  counseling. So there's so many stories like
• 1:11:25
  this. And so anyways, that's what
• 1:11:27
  we're working on. So thank you guys.
• 1:11:28
  Yeah, yeah, incredible. Where where can?
• 1:11:31
  People find you, and then how can we be praying for you and
• 1:11:33
  your family? And then, Pastor Mark, would you
• 1:11:35
  close? Sure.
• 1:11:35
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah. Pray for our spiritual
• 1:11:37
  protection. When we were filming 1916,
• 1:11:40
  Sophie, our youngest, started having seizures and she had a
• 1:11:43
  seizure hours after I visited Sophie Scholl's Graveside, her
• 1:11:47
  headstone in Munich. And that was the first, that was
• 1:11:50
  the first seizure. My wife facing me.
• 1:11:53
  She's 3 now. It's been a year.
• 1:11:55
  We think the Lord's healed her. But my wife facing me from the
• 1:11:58
  back of an ambulance and she thought our Sophie was going to
• 1:12:02
  die. It was the first seizure we did,
• 1:12:03
  you know, it was like 5 minutes. She was turning purple.
• 1:12:05
  And I just visited Sophie's, my Sophie's namesake, Sophie Scholl
• 1:12:10
  of the way I just visited her headstone.
• 1:12:13
  And it felt like just a demonic attack.
• 1:12:15
  So, yeah, the sacrament of Satan when you walk into the front
• 1:12:19
  door. Paganism, all of hell, really.
• 1:12:21
  So you had to pray for pray for our family with what we're
• 1:12:24
  building with our team and with launching chapters and pouring
• 1:12:27
  into our leaders who are mobilizing the church.
• 1:12:29
  We just shut down, help shut down Warren Hearns all trimester
• 1:12:32
  abortion mill in Boulder, Co pastor just trying to get it as
• 1:12:35
  a satellite church. And and so so that's what so
• 1:12:37
  that's what we're doing. So prayers for spiritual
• 1:12:39
  protection of our family. We have three kids and then
• 1:12:42
  where people can connect with me, have a show on Tuesdays and
• 1:12:44
  Thursdays called The Steph Gruber Show.
• 1:12:45
  We talk about all manner of things.
• 1:12:47
  We'll have to get you on sometime.
• 1:12:48
  And then the White Rose dot Life, the White Rose Resistance,
• 1:12:52
  the websites, The White Rose dot Life.
• 1:12:53
  We're still fundraising for the film The Last Stand.
• 1:12:55
  It will come out at the Last Stand.
• 1:12:57
  The praises go up. But if you want to get involved
• 1:13:01
  in what we're doing, it's just the Last stand.com.
• 1:13:02
  They can get tickets for June 5th and 6th at The Last
• 1:13:05
  stand.com or if they join as an ally, which is $35 a month, or
• 1:13:09
  they join as a monthly, we can Stow into the ministry and help
• 1:13:12
  with the film. So yeah, that's how we can
• 1:13:15
  connect with us. Awesome.
• 1:13:16
  What's the total amount you need to raise to finish the project?
• 1:13:18
  900,000 more because you. Know the the rule spend as much
• 1:13:22
  on print and advertising and marketing as you did on making
• 1:13:25
  it so, so all in the whole thing like 1.7 and we're at like,
• 1:13:33
  well, no, no, it was at one point just under 2 for the whole
• 1:13:36
  thing. And so we're like around we're
• 1:13:41
  like 700,000 or something like that 800,000 so we're like,
• 1:13:44
  we're like a writer from close to halfway.
• 1:13:46
  OK, so yeah, anyway, so so if anyone's watching they're like,
• 1:13:51
  I'm an FRC with a filthy rich Christian, then that's how you
• 1:13:56
  can sew into that. But yeah, our prayer is that
• 1:13:58
  this film would be for this generation, what Schaefer's How
• 1:14:01
  Should We Then Live was for the previous generation.
• 1:14:04
  It's great. So awesome.
• 1:14:05
  Well, you want to pray? Over him pray over his ministry.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah. Thank you guys.
• 1:14:08
  Lord, thanks for time together. Thank you for this ministry,
• 1:14:12
  thank you for this man Lord, I pray in Jesus name, just
• 1:14:16
  protection, provision, presence of the Holy Spirit for his
• 1:14:20
  family. Lord, as he's talking about life
• 1:14:23
  and rescuing life and establishing families, we pray
• 1:14:28
  God that you would absolutely bless and secure his family.
• 1:14:33
  I pray that his home would be continually one of safety and
• 1:14:38
  joy and peace and life. And Lord, I ask for complete and
• 1:14:43
  total ongoing healing of his daughter Sophie.
• 1:14:47
  And God, if it is demonic, we in Jesus name command any evil in
• 1:14:53
  Jesus name to depart, never to return, and to take all of your
• 1:14:57
  servants and works and effects with you and Lord Jesus.
• 1:15:01
  We ask that this project would be fully funded and that it
• 1:15:05
  would be very, very successful and that the message would
• 1:15:09
  impact deeply. And God, we love the church in
• 1:15:12
  America, but we are broken hearted at the lack of courage.
• 1:15:16
  And so God, we do ask that a new younger generation of leaders,
• 1:15:20
  planters, replanters would rise up and the God, even some of
• 1:15:24
  these buildings that are not being utilized for the purposes
• 1:15:28
  that their founders intended would be repurposed with new
• 1:15:31
  courageous and bold leaders that would follow in the example of
• 1:15:35
  our brother and friend here. And so Lord, thank you for our
• 1:15:38
  time together and God pray for the remainder of his year and
• 1:15:42
  his ministry and all that you've put on his heart.
• 1:15:45
  We ask for financial, financial provision for the vision that
• 1:15:48
  you've given him. Pray for unity on his team.
• 1:15:51
  And God, we just thank you for his wife.
• 1:15:53
  We know that you can't do anything like this unless your
• 1:15:57
  wife is at your side, that she's your friend and she is your
• 1:16:00
  helper and she is your encourager.
• 1:16:03
  So we, we thank you in Jesus name for this man and for his
• 1:16:07
  wife and for his family. Amen.
• 1:16:10
  Amen.