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Cops Discover Teen_s Gruesome Secret_ The Murder of Grace Jennings _True Crime Documentary · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: On a Saturday afternoon in October twenty twenty two, officers
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  Speaker 1: from the Santa Fe Police Department found twenty one year
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  Speaker 1: old Grace Jennings stabbed to death by a large sword
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  Speaker 1: in the garage of a house on Jaguar Drive.
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  Speaker 2: It looks clear he is right here by the door.
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  Speaker 1: Grace did not live in the home where she was found.
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  Speaker 1: She had only arrived the night before, offered an ostensibly
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  Speaker 1: safe place to stay the night by someone claiming to
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  Speaker 1: be her friend. Following the horrific discovery, two suspects were
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: detained and questioned, each offering a different story.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm partially hope for her to be done, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm also confused.
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  Speaker 4: I'm scared right now, pretty scared of what just happened.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually, the truth came out, though no one was prepared
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  Speaker 1: for just how strange truth would be.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 1: There, I'm Kevin, and welcome to just that lounge. Today's
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  Speaker 1: case is really odd. The investigation unraveled on scene and
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  Speaker 1: through interviews rapidly, despite a collection of confusing and bizarre details.
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  Speaker 1: Was this a murder motivated by a love triangle, anger
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  Speaker 1: over a breakup, outright insanity, or was there something more
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  Speaker 1: intricate and unpredictable at work under the surface. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a look.
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  Speaker 2: At.
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  Speaker 1: Just before two pm on Saturday, October twenty ninth, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, officers from the Santa Fe PD were dispatched
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  Speaker 1: to a home on Jaguar Drive. An emergency call had
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  Speaker 1: been placed by a woman who claimed that her son
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  Speaker 1: had just witnessed a murder at the property. Gathering at
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  Speaker 1: the front of the house, they then made their way
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  Speaker 1: along the left side of the house through a wooden gate.
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  Speaker 1: Officer Alvarado approached the backyard first and spotted a young
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  Speaker 1: blonde woman in a black T shirt and pajama bottoms
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  Speaker 1: walked from the detached garage and into the back door
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  Speaker 1: of the mainhouse.
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  Speaker 5: Kick it in.
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  Speaker 1: A red substance appearing to be blood, was visible on
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  Speaker 1: the door handle the door. Alvarado began to kick in
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  Speaker 1: the door backup.
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  Speaker 6: What's going on? Who called?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 5: Someone was?
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  Speaker 2: Where's the garage?
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  Speaker 1: Emerging from the house was the homeowner, Lanny McCully, followed
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  Speaker 1: shortly after by her nineteen year old daughter, Kiara. It
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  Speaker 1: was Kiara who had entered through the back door just
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  Speaker 1: as police arrived.
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  Speaker 2: Someone just called that someone just got step over here,
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  Speaker 2: step over here. Someone just got stabbed inside that garage.
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  Speaker 1: Lanny provided a key to the locked garage. Inside, amongst
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  Speaker 1: a floor covered in trash, officers discovered the lifeless body
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  Speaker 1: of a young woman. A three foot long sword, blood
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  Speaker 1: covering the blade rested just inside the door. Also inside
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  Speaker 1: the garage was a dagger and a butterfly knife. The
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  Speaker 1: officers were unable to gain access to the garage from
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  Speaker 1: the large, apparently broken door on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the building.
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  Speaker 2: It looks there is right here by the door.
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  Speaker 7: There's way too much trash unless we can open that
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  Speaker 7: back door the garage.
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  Speaker 5: Can you open the garage from that side?
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  Speaker 1: Medics arriving moments later, had to push their way through
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  Speaker 1: the smaller entrance to reach the victim, though she showed
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  Speaker 1: no signs of life.
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  Speaker 6: I have cats, I have to they Unfortunately, this is
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  Speaker 6: an active investigation. Okay, so somehow at this point that's
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  Speaker 6: my house.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking crazy, there's a that's why it's a crime.
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  Speaker 6: The body in stand up for me?
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck didn't come? You wish she is?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know who was in there.
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  Speaker 2: Is she.
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  Speaker 6: Kia said that her friend Grace was her next friend,
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  Speaker 6: a gall and any of Grace there last night. I
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  Speaker 6: was rather in though, Grace. What is Jennings? She's tall,
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  Speaker 6: skinny black girl that helps you guys?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I don't want there, sweet.
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  Speaker 1: The woman discovered on the garage floor was in fact
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  Speaker 1: identified as twenty one year old Grace Jennings. She appeared
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  Speaker 1: to have been stabbed multiple times. One of her ears
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  Speaker 1: had been removed. The medical examiner would later conclude that
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  Speaker 1: her injuries displayed signs of an attempted decapitation.
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  Speaker 2: Who lives in this house? You do? Who else?
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  Speaker 8: My daughter jan Isaac?
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  Speaker 2: Isaac lives in here.
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  Speaker 8: Isaac and Kiera mostly stayed in here. I mean they.
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  Speaker 2: Know Isaac and Kiara are.
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  Speaker 3: Togetherish, I don't understand their relationship entirely.
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  Speaker 8: She get married at one point, so I can kind
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  Speaker 8: of has my son in law.
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  Speaker 1: As Kiara was handcuffed and escorted to the police cruiser,
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  Speaker 1: officers noted cuts and bandages across her hands. Kiara would
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  Speaker 1: later state that these were from earlier that morning, when
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  Speaker 1: she attempted to make herself something to eat and picked
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  Speaker 1: up the knife wrong. After Kiara was secured, officers made
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  Speaker 1: their way over to a local cell phone shop, where
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  Speaker 1: they expected to find the third resident of the house
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  Speaker 1: on Jaguar Drive, twenty five year old Isaac Apodaca. His mother,
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  Speaker 1: Linda Montoya, had placed the nine to one one call
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  Speaker 1: leading police to Grace's body. She reported that her son
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  Speaker 1: was waiting at the shops for police to arrive.
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  Speaker 2: Come over here, you get come here.
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  Speaker 5: You don't have any knives and any weapons on you? No, no,
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  Speaker 5: just put.
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  Speaker 7: It off or not, just put it on your nine
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  Speaker 7: got to make sure you don't have any weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, should put your hands up.
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  Speaker 7: Right yre heright here, mhm, I get it here for now, bro,
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  Speaker 7: just because we're he looks like your girlfriend or if
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  Speaker 7: we was in there, is uh really injured.
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  Speaker 5: So for now we're gonna put you under the tension
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  Speaker 5: of kinto.
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  Speaker 7: We can figure this out.
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  Speaker 5: You're not under arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac was escorted to a police cruiser. The owner of
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  Speaker 1: the cell phone shop overheard the phone conversation between Isaac
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  Speaker 1: and his mother, which had prompted the call to nine
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  Speaker 1: one one.
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  Speaker 2: What happened when he got here, Like she just kind
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  Speaker 2: of tell me what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: He just came in.
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  Speaker 4: Of like even gravity to the things.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'd like how to stumbling, not.
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  Speaker 9: Really stumbling, but he just couldn't even talk and talk
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  Speaker 9: to me, like, bro, you're okay, okay, like kind can
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  Speaker 9: tell you what thoful and talk and started hearing.
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  Speaker 4: A sea just that like you don't have to tell
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  Speaker 4: me nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Just chilled and then he came talking to somebody and.
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  Speaker 5: He came in crying, kind of tearing. Shook it up.
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  Speaker 4: But he said that he did something bad.
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  Speaker 2: No, he said he didn't. He said he was he
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  Speaker 2: witnessed something. He said, he witnessed something awful, and you can't,
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 4: And then he just kept starting he couldn't even tell me.
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  Speaker 9: He kind of when he was on the phone, he
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  Speaker 9: said that you from what I heard is that he
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  Speaker 9: bought a sword for he displayed and they used it
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  Speaker 9: against another person and he believed that they were dead.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: After speaking with his mother over the phone, Isaac was
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  Speaker 1: contacted directly by law enforcement dispatch to confirm the details.
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  Speaker 1: To the dispatcher, he restated what he claimed to have
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  Speaker 1: witnessed that morning, his sometimes girlfriend Kiara McCully standing over
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  Speaker 1: Grace's dead body. I did it, she allegedly said to him.
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  Speaker 5: So he said there was a kee mal because you
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  Speaker 5: live in the garage, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you live in the garage.
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  Speaker 2: And who's in the girl who lives within the garage?
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  Speaker 2: Your girlfriend, Ciara mcully.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so can you tell me how did this culture inspire?
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  Speaker 2: How did you? How did you call it?
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  Speaker 5: I I was, I walked into the garage. I walked
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  Speaker 5: into the garage. And when I walked into the garage,
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  Speaker 5: she goes, oh, I just did it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like And who is this Ciara McCully.
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  Speaker 5: She told you that very calmly, and everything flood on
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  Speaker 5: her hands.
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  Speaker 2: And okay.
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  Speaker 1: Four years earlier, Lanny McCully had allowed her daughter's boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: turned fiance, Isaac Apodaca, to move in. At first, the
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  Speaker 1: young couple lived in the spare room of the main house,
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  Speaker 1: and the family shared the space amicably. Home Videos posted
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  Speaker 1: online captured happier times, holidays, birthdays, and silliness with their
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  Speaker 1: five beloved cats.
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  Speaker 7: Happy Birthday, do you happy birthing? Hi?
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  Speaker 6: Isaiac?
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  Speaker 8: Happy birthy too?
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  Speaker 1: A deeper look, however, revealed something darker under the surface
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  Speaker 1: of the young couple's social media accounts. Kiara used a
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  Speaker 1: handful of different names across platforms. Froggie, Sage, and Maize,
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  Speaker 1: to name a few. Many of her posts were typical
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  Speaker 1: teenage content, vacations, cats, memes that she thought were clever,
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  Speaker 1: but some took a stranger turn on TikTok. In the
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  Speaker 1: days before Grace's murder, Kiara posted distorted videos of herself
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  Speaker 1: and Isaac with a deep red filter, their contorted faces
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  Speaker 1: overlaid with visual effects in loud maniacal laughter. In another video,
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  Speaker 1: she lip synced to audio stating.
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  Speaker 3: Can we all take a moment of fucking silence to
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  Speaker 3: acknowledge the fact that, despite the bullshit, I have yet
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  Speaker 3: to turn into a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: There were other signs that something was off with Kiara.
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  Speaker 1: An ex boyfriend reported that she began to refer to
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  Speaker 1: herself as an all powerful witch, that she intended to
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  Speaker 1: hext people, that she could levitate, and that she was
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  Speaker 1: able to predict the exact date of everyone's death. These delusions,
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  Speaker 1: he said, were escalating. The last time this ex boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: encountered her, she threatened him. He said that Kiara was
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  Speaker 1: hostile towards him and said that her boyfriend could f
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  Speaker 1: him up in a matter of seconds. Kiara must have
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  Speaker 1: been referring to Isaac online. She referred to Isaac as
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  Speaker 1: her ride or die. However, despite outward appearances, there were
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  Speaker 1: definitely cracks forming in their relationship. Their three year engagement
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  Speaker 1: had ended in early April following an argument that resulted
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  Speaker 1: in a trip to the er with Kiara sustaining minor injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Lannie had thrown Isaac from the house after that, only
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  Speaker 1: to have her daughter routinely sneak him back in over
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  Speaker 1: the following months. Lannie eventually conceded and allowed Isaac to
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  Speaker 1: live there once more. Because they had spent years intending
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  Speaker 1: to be married, Lannie had come to view Isaac as
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  Speaker 1: a son, and she often referred to him as such.
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  Speaker 1: The couple, who maintained an on again, off again intimate arrangement,
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  Speaker 1: relocated from the house to the detached garage, where they
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  Speaker 1: had a bit more space and privacy. There was also
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  Speaker 1: drama in other areas of Kiara and Isaac's social life.
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  Speaker 1: For example, they each had a history with Grace Jennings.
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  Speaker 1: Grace was the reason Kiara and Isaac had met. Years earlier.
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  Speaker 1: At the tender age of sixteen, Grace had entered into
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  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with a then twenty year old Isaac Abudaca.
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  Speaker 1: It had been short lived, and the two had apparently
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  Speaker 1: remained on good terms. Grace's relationship with Kiara, however, had
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  Speaker 1: not ended well. They too, had been romantically involved, beginning
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  Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen, after she had dated Isaac.
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  Speaker 1: Kiara and Grace were involved for roughly eleven months. Accounts
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  Speaker 1: vary as to what led to the animosity between the
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  Speaker 1: two after they split, but what is not disputed is
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  Speaker 1: that when the dust settled, Kiara maintained a deep seated
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  Speaker 1: anger towards her ex girlfriend. Grace had tried everything possible
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  Speaker 1: to avoid Kiara as a result.
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  Speaker 10: Lets go was my girlfriend at one point, but she
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  Speaker 10: we became friends afterwards. But this is psychotic. I'd just
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  Speaker 10: gotten out of treatment. I was in there for eight months,
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  Speaker 10: and I went to the mall to go hang out
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  Speaker 10: with my sister, and I don't know, just chill. I
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  Speaker 10: was enjoying being out in bout and I see one
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  Speaker 10: of my homies and then I see her walking around talking,
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  Speaker 10: chatting whatever, and this chick literally goes as shit, you
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  Speaker 10: fucking not. Did you just get out of jail because
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  Speaker 10: you stabbed me and cut me two months ago? Huh?
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  Speaker 10: What till this bit, shried out up, No, the fuck
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  Speaker 10: I didn't. I was in treatment, Like, yes, you did.
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  Speaker 10: I have evidence on my arm. Looked at it and
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  Speaker 10: it looks like she stabbed herself on her forearm, her
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  Speaker 10: left forearm.
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  Speaker 1: By the autumn of twenty twenty two, the two had
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  Speaker 1: had very little to do with each other for years.
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  Speaker 1: Grace had moved on with her life. On August twenty second,
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  Speaker 1: her twenty first birthday, Grace became engaged to her boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: a man named Jackson. Amongst friends and family. They were
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  Speaker 1: living in Albuquerque. Only three days before her death, however,
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  Speaker 1: the two had a heated argument in parted ways. The
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  Speaker 1: first location where Grace went to stay after the breakup
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  Speaker 1: was not working out, so she reached out to friends,
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  Speaker 1: seeking anyone who could help her find a place to crash.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac Abodaka answered the call. Grace could stay with him,
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  Speaker 1: he said. Only after she arrived Grace learned whose home
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: she had been invited to. Isaac Apudaca and Kiera McCully
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  Speaker 1: were placed in separate interview rooms for questioning. Neither was
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  Speaker 1: at that stage under arrest for the murder of Grace Jennings.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators already knew that Grace had arrived at the house
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  Speaker 1: only the day before. She had stayed the night in
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  Speaker 1: the garage with both Isaac and Kiara. Twelve hours after
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  Speaker 1: her arrival, she was dead. Isaac told the detective that
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the three of them slept in the same bed that night.
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  Speaker 1: In the morning, he claimed that Kiara had told him
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  Speaker 1: he had to move out. She was furious that he
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  Speaker 1: had invited Grace to stay. After packing some of his things,
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  Speaker 1: he went to the mainhouse to use the restroom. After
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  Speaker 1: what he estimated could only have been two to three minutes,
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  Speaker 1: he returned and found Grace dead.
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  Speaker 5: And then I launch him back into the garage. I
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  Speaker 5: did it. It was a smile on her face, and
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  Speaker 5: I looked at the ground and I was like, Uh,
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  Speaker 5: what do I do now? I'm scared right now?
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  Speaker 2: What are you scared of?
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  Speaker 11: Of?
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  Speaker 5: What just happened.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in, I can imagine.
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  Speaker 1: The timeline offered by Isaac was exact. Grace had arrived
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  Speaker 1: at eleven thirty two pm the night before.
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  Speaker 2: He said, what time did you guys wake up that?
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  Speaker 2: What times did you wake up that?
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  Speaker 5: I woke up at about seven.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty seven to fifty eight. Yes, So did this, dude?
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  Speaker 2: At what time did care tell you guys had to leave?
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  Speaker 5: She told us we had to leave at about.
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  Speaker 2: Eight eight thirty.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 1: It was just before twelve pm when he witnessed Kiara's confession.
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  Speaker 2: How long did use the rash? For?
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  Speaker 5: About thirty seconds? It was quick number one?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? What do you mean my number one? P?
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  Speaker 3: Pee?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? And then after you p you had immediately back
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  Speaker 2: to the garage. Yes, surround what happened? You say that
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  Speaker 2: was that.
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  Speaker 5: Eleven?
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  Speaker 2: Are you How certain are you about the time? I'm
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  Speaker 2: really certain, really certain about the time.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives believed that the injuries observed on Grace Jennings's body
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  Speaker 1: were far too numerous and severe to have been inflicted
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  Speaker 1: within the span of only two to three minutes while
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Isaac was in the main house, as he claimed, It
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  Speaker 1: was far more likely that he had stayed away for
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  Speaker 1: a lengthier period of time, or that he had been
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  Speaker 1: present in the garage at the time of the murder.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac reported that he phoned his mother at noon.
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  Speaker 2: Between when this happened twelve and I think we got
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  Speaker 2: the call a little after one thirty, Yes, kind of
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  Speaker 2: an hour and a half gap there. I know you
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  Speaker 2: said you called your mom and she quickly called line online,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't really seem to line up with our
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  Speaker 2: timeline at least for Can you help make me understand
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  Speaker 2: that was there a long period of time that you
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  Speaker 2: and Kara were trying to figure out what was going
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 5: There was a there was a long period of time.
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  Speaker 5: It was when I was standing on the side of
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  Speaker 5: the garage.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about that.
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  Speaker 5: I was hyper ventilating on the side of the garage.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, You've been super truthful this whole
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  Speaker 2: time from what I could tell, and we really much
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  Speaker 2: appreciate that. I got one more question. I want to
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  Speaker 2: be real truthful with it because you have this whole time. Okay, yes, A,
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  Speaker 2: At any point did you think of or did you
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  Speaker 2: did it cross your mind or did you start helping
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  Speaker 2: Kiara with covering this suff at all?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, at any point did you help Kiara injure grace
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  Speaker 2: or doing into grace? No.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Kiera mccully's interview immediately took an unexpected turn when she
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: began to speak with a non existent person in the room.
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  Speaker 1: She then helpfully explained to the detective her self. Diagnosis
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: was a disassociative identity disorder, a condition previously known as
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder. The detective was speaking with Froggy, a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: persona she described as her stage name. Amongst her personas
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: was someone called Jinx, who she described as the troublemaker.
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  Speaker 1: Then there was Abby who was the protective one, Jess
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  Speaker 1: or Jessica, who she had not seen lately, and finally
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  Speaker 1: little Kiara.
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to sleep it.
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  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: If you want backing members who need it, Sorry, we're
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  Speaker 5: talking to.
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  Speaker 6: My best.
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  Speaker 3: Guess is that I have the idea, but I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a hundred sent certain associate if identity disorder one personality
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen in a long time, Like I haven't
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  Speaker 3: communicated with her.
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  Speaker 11: Wow, my name was jess Jessica, you always called it
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  Speaker 11: jess any of the personalities, there's the little version of
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  Speaker 11: me which actually responds to my biological name, my.
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  Speaker 3: Government name, which is very dangerous for her, and I
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: don't I don't want her to get hurt.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: God, honesty, she.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Responds to this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Ki Kiara or Froggy, told the detective about her past
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: with Grace. She claimed that a video was produced in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when she was fourteen years old, that showed
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: her being assaulted by multiple men while Grace stood off
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to the side of the screen collecting money. Santa Fe
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Police later confirmed that around the time that Kiara claimed
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: this took place, she had in fact reported an incident
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to police, though the details provided at that time did
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: not match those she claimed to the detective following Brace's murder,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Is she ever did Grace?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: No, No, I'm not sure. What what do you think?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I partially hope for her to be dead, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I'm also like confused, like it was, I'm like, why would.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You hope that she's good?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I'm still angry at her, but I also won't have
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: hope that she'd be better. But it's like this frustrating
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: motion that I can't seem to pinpoint. She was the
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: first person I ever.
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: Loved and the first person to completely destroy It's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: A part of me hates her guts, who wants to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: see her dead. The other part wants to see her
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: get better and see if she'd admit it, just fix it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: It's like I'm split. I don't know what's the better emotion.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Finding between them is really challenging.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Her.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't want hurt in my home.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: It's just like this is too.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Much a lot of emotions. He said that part of
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you would be okay if she was dead, right, Yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it's honest.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Like all the people, I don't want to lie. Have
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you ever thought about hurting.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Her or killing her? I had a couple dreams like that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I had a couple of dreams like that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dependent on the dreams I've had, like a bunch
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of murder dreams, I could call that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Not a lot of people that is Grace.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Grace is like the thumber one. I'm pissed at you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: In an effort to explain her condition, Kiara used a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: video game analogy. It was as though all of her
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: personalities were connected to the same gaming system, like an Xbox,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: but at any given point in time, only one of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: them held the controller. The question was, when Grace Jennings
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: was brutally murdered, who was playing the game?
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: So?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Who who was playing the game?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Last night?
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: I felt like.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I was in control for a little while, and then
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: it just kept getting really foggy.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Like I was being drawn jam your control of meaning
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: project right, That's what I'm talking to you now projects
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: than do you think he killed Grace?
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: She is.
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: Dada just the dead person found the garage, give any
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: memory of that?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: You think it's possible to each other.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing myself right now, and the second guess.
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: I'm trying to figure out if it was one of them.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I haven't met yet.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Kiara claimed that an invisible force, which she believed to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: be the spirit of Little Kiara, had held back her
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: arm when she first attempted to stab Grace in her
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: sleep with the dagger.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I had my dagger in my hand and I could
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: quite and then just stopped, like I felt a little
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: kid's hand hold me back, like it was Kiara Tommy, don't, don't, don't,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: because that was also her best friend's.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Sister growing up.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Kiara may have had no recollection of committing the murder,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but she did admit to strange visions that she could
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: not explain.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It looked like an on my wall, an ear on
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: my wall.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It was really confusing.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was part of.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: The dreams now, like a human ear. Yeah, just like
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? That's what it looked like.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: It looked like one of Grace's but it had liked
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and detection not that sure, Like what the fuck?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: The possibility remained that Kiara, or one of her personalities
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: was not the only one responsible. Kiara was asked to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: explain her relationship with Isaac. What role did he play
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in this? The detective could not have been prepared to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: make sense of the response he received.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: So there's an organization that I think is in charge
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: of I probably shouldn't be saying with Tunca, m hm,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that's not it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand that, Marina.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Well, that it's called ghost There like an underground version
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: of Cops in a way, but a little more intense day.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: And I get rid of people who are.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Works in charge of sex, trafficking, in charge of anything
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that has to.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Deal with her name kids us.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Kiara had joined Isaac's secret organization. She had an initiation
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: tattoo on her arm and another that represented membership in
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: her platoon. If she wanted to advance in the organization, however,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: she needed to take action. She needed to become a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: killer vigilante and exact justice upon those they believed deserved it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Isaac had told her, if she wanted to level up,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: she needed to kill Grace Jennings.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: He kept trying to tell me, just do it, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: you're gonna just just kill her. Get rapped up. Yes,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: he had we join and I'm like, I don't know
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: what the book's going on, talking about the black market,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: ghost and bitcoin, the end of the world in twenty
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: four days.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: There was a number he set by a number of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: people he kill. Yeah, so many, forty forty people. Supposedly
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it's a big club. Yeah, it's out of it. I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: have it's all over, probably partially in Roswell.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: He wasn't a gang.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Where it is that he no longer listened Roswell. It's confusing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It's more game with him.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the neighbor.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: During Isaac's interview, he signed a waiver that gave Santa
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Fe investigators access to his phone data. When they began
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to read through his messages, those inviting Grace to stay
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and then exchanges with Kiara after her arrival, a twisted
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: plot emerged. Despite Isaac's description of the three of them
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: hanging out that night and sharing the bed to sleep,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Grace's messages that morning suggested that she was concerned over
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: whether Kiara even knew she was in the garage. On
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the morning she was killed, she messaged Isaac, why is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: she kicking you out? And does she know I'm here?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: More disturbing were the messages exchanged between Kiara and Isaac
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: throughout that night as Grace slept. These messages exchanged on
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Facebook appeared to show the two planning the murder and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: discussing the subsequent cleanup. Detectives read through Isaac's correspondence with
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: him in the interview room. In this way, he was
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: able to provide context to the conversations in real time.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: He claimed that only some of the messages sent from
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: his device had been written by him. The most incriminating ones,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: he said, were sent from his other phone. Kiara must
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: have been holding a conversation with herself using this other device,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: he claimed.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you pop off my little firecracker? What
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: would you like me to do? Stab her? I don't know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I don't have the energy.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: To do shit.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: That's not me, that's not you, that's not me.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Who is it?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: That's the other phone that's been they were being used
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: to message back and forth.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Isaac, This is a getting really weird, man.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I have a second phone.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You have a second phone? Yes, where is that phone?
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: That's at the house? Okay, it is log into the
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: same Facebook account.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know, man, These these messages look a
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: lot like there's some conspiring going on, some planning going on.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: The detective then read through an exchange that took place
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: as they prepared for bed, and then after they believed
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Grace had fallen asleep, Kiara had likely joined them in
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the garage at that time.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Dagger because it's blunt?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Why are you telling her dagger? Because it's blunt?
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: She was asking. She asked me a question in the room,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: like what what is the difference between the dagger and
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the lord?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, and I.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Because it's why is it blunt better?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: She says? You say it cuts like butter? She says,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: just kinda stab the throat.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Is that what she's trying to say?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The thought?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Just going to stab the thought?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Instant?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Or will it take long? What does she mean? Instead?
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: What do we do about the mess? What do we
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: do about the mess?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: What? We burn it? And I'll buy a new blankets
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in bed? What's going on here? Is it?
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: She?
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I was talking to her and what mess she was
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: talking about? She said, stab, I was gonna stab the thought.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: And I thought thought like, oh, like she was poking
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the thought that was in her head about her dagger.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, what about the mess?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: What mess?
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: She had made? A mess? And the in the bed?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: What kind of mess?
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Pops poop kind of mess?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, we burn it and I'll buy new blankets and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: bed Yeah, but until we can. I love these sheets,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: and my favorite fuzzy blanket is here. I know, just
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: intense wash tomorrow has your poxide and ice? I was
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: sure we'll get it out. Yes, can you help this time?
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I am just waiting for you to make the first move.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: What does she mean? I'm waiting for you to make
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the first move? She will wait till sleep? Shall we
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: wait till sleep? So she pooped herself last night? Yes?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And did you guys wash the sheets?
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: No?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So you guys slept in a bed full of poop?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So when we go into the garage lay for search
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: one of there's poop on the sheets? Yes? Okay, gotcha?
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: What are you? What are you guys waiting for till sleep?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Shall we wait till sleep? Remember when you told me
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: don't be a pussy when I kissed you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, brat.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: We will have to take care of the mess asap
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: after we finish, we will have take care of the message.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I thought she already pooped herself. What mess A you're
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: going to take care of?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I go know.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: You're in charge of clean up. Okay. I can't tell
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: if she's falling asleep. It feels like it. Her feet
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: are on my side. I wish she'd make the first
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: move for once. Remember, you'll move up to the ranks.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Plus you get perks in the black market since this
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: is your first, your first What see, Isaac, what the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: hell happened?
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Tell me what happened? Fortle shn we stop making up
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: lives of this messages?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: What the hell happened? Listening?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Isaac did not admit to luring Grace to the McCully
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: house with the intent to kill her. He denied planning
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the murder, and he refused to acknowledge that the messages
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: on his phone to Kiara encouraging her to commit the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: murder were sent by him. That is, until the detective
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: read one message that did away with any ambiguity. It began,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I want you to kill her and your suffering by
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: ending her joy?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: What do you mean here when you say that, Huggle,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I am wanting you to kill her. You have to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: end your suffering by any her joy.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: I want to show you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: What it means in that text.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You meant what it says in that text?
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Why come on, man, how.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: We make sense of all this year?
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: She was bringing He was bringing great suffering to Kiara?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And who was Grace? Grace is bringing great suffering to Kiara? Yes,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and that's why you want to Cia kill Grace.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It seems that both Isaac and Kiara believed, or claimed
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to believe, the story they told themselves about Grace Jennings
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that she had somehow sold fourteen year old Kiara to
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a group of men. The video of the incident allegedly
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: circulated online. It was this unsupported assertion that Isaac also
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: made to the detective to justify the murder, though he
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: fell short of revealing the secret operations of Ghost, the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: gang of vigilantes who he claimed to lead.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, Isaac, you you know it's legal to plan killing someone, right?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Do be a little bit of accountability for that?
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: They said that, right?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So we are in a file. Awards are age.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: All tonight Camp, Isaac Apodaca and Kiara McCully were charged
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: with first degree murder. One month after the murder. In
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: November twenty twenty two, a judge found Kiera McCully was
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: not competent to stand trial. She was sent to the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: New Mexico Behavioral Health Institute in Las Vegas, New Mexico,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to receive treatment. Only a month after that, however, a
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: state evaluation found that she was competent and so was
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: rebooked into the Santa Fe County Jail. In January twenty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: twenty three, after a pre trial hearing found sufficient evidence
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to continue with the murder charges against him. Isaac Apodaca
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: initially accepted a plea deal, the details of which were
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: not placed on the public record. That is because in
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: November twenty twenty four, Isaac fired his attorneys and had
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the judge tear up the deal. He re entered a
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: plea of not guilty. A backlog at the state's crime
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: lab initially set back the trial date by years. Now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: with a new legal team that needs to get up
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to speed, the start date for Isaac's trial has been
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: pushed back once more. In February twenty twenty five, However,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Hiarra McCully made a deal. She pleaded guilty to second
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: degree murder in exchange for her future testimony against her
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: former fiance, Isaac Apodaca, should his case ever reach trial.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: She faces up to thirty years in prison under the deal.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Despite the downgrade and charges to second degree murder, the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Deputy district Attorney said the extra time is due to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the brutality of the murder. Grace Jennings is desperately missed
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: by her loved ones. Her aunt Catherine Jennings told the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Santa Fe New Mexican she was the laughter, she was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the joy, the singing, the dancing. She was the friend,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: she was the sister, she was the daughter, the beloved niece.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: The cousin is just a beautiful soul with a lot
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of hope. And that was the tragic case of Grace Jennings.
• 40:16
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• 40:19
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• 40:24
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• 40:29
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