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🍊 RHOC "An Embarrassment of Villains" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Drama Darling, Drama Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Drama Darling.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, everybody, welcome back into Drama Darling. Today is Orange
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  Speaker 3: going on here right now. Joining me is Emily Desis
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  Speaker 3: and Deanna Chang. Hi, gals, Hello, are you ready to
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  Speaker 3: buckle in and just really go for it today with
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  Speaker 3: Orange County?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm gonna say yes, And then the second
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  Speaker 2: that we're done, there's going to be one million things
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  Speaker 2: that hit online. Yeah. Right, Well, this negates everything I
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  Speaker 2: just said.
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  Speaker 3: Deanna, May I welcome you, but way I welcome you
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  Speaker 3: both in. We thank you. You are so welcome, You
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  Speaker 3: are so welcome. It's good to be here with you ladies. Again.
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  Speaker 4: I really do believe our last episode should be submitted
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  Speaker 4: for the Pulitzer or whatever award is out there.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with it.
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  Speaker 4: We could, you know, because I think we did some
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  Speaker 4: real things on that episode.
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  Speaker 3: I think we did some real thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we had our real time. Yes, thank the moment,
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  Speaker 4: Thank you Alan for clarifying that the help of everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, no one needed to chime in. We were asking,
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  Speaker 3: We were asking the right questions, just like Jodie Foster
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  Speaker 3: and we were asking each other questions. We were challenging
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  Speaker 3: one another, we were challenging ourselves, We were challenging the
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  Speaker 3: philosophy of life itself. And I feel like we really
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  Speaker 3: dug down. So if you do listen to.
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  Speaker 2: That challenged, we were challenged.
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  Speaker 3: You had to listen it from beginning to end because
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  Speaker 3: we evolve as people, and our opinions evolve, and we evolve.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a feeling that might happen again today.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see, because here we have Orange County, and
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  Speaker 3: what is happening is that we have a race for
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  Speaker 3: the villains. Who you know, in our opinion, who is
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  Speaker 3: the biggest villain on Orange County, who is the one
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  Speaker 3: that's lying the most, and which one in the end
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  Speaker 3: is going to win the award for Biggest Villain, because
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  Speaker 3: at this point.
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  Speaker 2: One of three we should say who it is when
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  Speaker 2: you're gosh.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not ready.
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  Speaker 2: Get I am ready either, I'm gonna I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 2: it one two three.
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  Speaker 3: Slade chin oh, I wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't ready. So basically it's Slade where we're pointing
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  Speaker 3: the fingers and honestly, Emily, I think we're I think
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  Speaker 3: you're off to a great start there. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: quite frankly, when you know, if you haven't seen you know,
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  Speaker 3: my friend chef Stewart O'Keeffe's podcast, Let It stew he
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  Speaker 3: had Matt on Katie Janella's husband and and he really
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  Speaker 3: breaks down a lot of what happened between in the
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  Speaker 3: conversation with with Slade. I was to say it with
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  Speaker 3: like Vicky and like that he was throwing out that
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  Speaker 3: Slade was throwing out. Oh, and he also said that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on the show, he was saying all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of stuff on the show. So between those two things,
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  Speaker 3: Matt really has quite the voice in this saying that
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  Speaker 3: Slade was talking about Alex Baskin. He was on the
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  Speaker 3: other line with Alex Baskin. He he showed us on
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  Speaker 3: the show all of the phone records. Okay, yeah, uh huh,
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  Speaker 3: I know what you're say it because.
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  Speaker 2: What because they we didn't see it. We know we
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  Speaker 2: see phone, we didn't. We didn't. We saw his phone
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  Speaker 2: and a few things from Slade, and then we just
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  Speaker 2: saw Matt's side of the chat in the text.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they blurred out. They blurred outlay.
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  Speaker 2: Because they don't blur that out usually. They usually show
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  Speaker 2: us the whole conversation. So I didn't know why they
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  Speaker 2: did that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, are you sure they did?
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  Speaker 2: Do?
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  Speaker 4: Both people have to sign off on it.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I don't housewives, and this is.
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  Speaker 3: A different kind of story. If Alex Baskin is on
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  Speaker 3: the other end and he's involved, it's blurred okay.
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  Speaker 2: So but but I thought this was with Slade.
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  Speaker 4: But what Amy is saying is it we're talking about
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  Speaker 4: a legal issue that could be Why makes that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yah got it? Okay, Okay, that phone conversation and all
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  Speaker 3: the receipts that Matt as that he was on a
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  Speaker 3: three way call. It was Slade and Matt and Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and Ryan. See that was interesting. Because I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know that Ryan was on those calls, which which says
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  Speaker 3: so much about if he's protecting you know, the situation
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  Speaker 3: as well Jen, and then Jen to Gretchen and so
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  Speaker 3: that to me is really strong evidence that they are,
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  Speaker 3: in fact, in Slade's words, holding the line. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: and just the idea that Matt is saying that Slade
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  Speaker 3: said Gretchen is going to lie or Gretchen is not
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  Speaker 3: going to say that she's going to deny.
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  Speaker 2: Face reality sixteen. I love that account. As we all know,
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  Speaker 2: they did that timeline again. They keep updating this timeline
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  Speaker 2: on here, so that is helpful.
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  Speaker 3: And and we've now Sena has entered the chat, but
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  Speaker 3: we'll get to that in a second. Okay, So, okay,
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  Speaker 3: timeline for question's life, if.
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  Speaker 4: You don't mind, I just want to get my head
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  Speaker 4: straight for one beat here, did the two of them,
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  Speaker 4: Did Gretchen and Slade have a plan to say I
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  Speaker 4: went to the hospital when they sat down at this
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  Speaker 4: restaurant and Mastro's it and then they never expected the
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  Speaker 4: girls to like where I'm now confused as to why
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  Speaker 4: it ever got said. With this reaction that they're having
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  Speaker 4: now freaking out about it being.
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  Speaker 3: Repeated, So basically, Deanna, in terms of wrapping your head
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  Speaker 3: around this mess, because the timelines are so insane, you
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  Speaker 3: have an amazing question about the dinner. Why you're basically saying,
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  Speaker 3: why would Gretchen want to tell a lie if in
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  Speaker 3: fact it's a lie that she was roofed and went
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  Speaker 3: to the hospital at this dinner to two current housewives
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  Speaker 3: and their partners? Is it loose lips, Lucy? Could she's drunk?
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that, Deanna? Why would she
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  Speaker 3: That's what you're asking.
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  Speaker 4: Then I can go back to that being the truth
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  Speaker 4: that she did go to the hospital and that the
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  Speaker 4: setup was the lie detector test, and that it didn't
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  Speaker 4: actually get an accurate reading on the truth and a lie,
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  Speaker 4: So that can be a possibility actually too.
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  Speaker 3: I love that we have options to these answers because
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  Speaker 3: there are so many people speculating that the line detector
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  Speaker 3: test was a setup, that they were setting up Katie.
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  Speaker 3: So we've all seen the polygraphers' resumes, that's all been
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  Speaker 3: shared everywhere, and everyone's like, we don't believe anything they say.
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  Speaker 3: We don't believe this and that, and Emily is standing
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  Speaker 3: by that this is not a setup. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: is you know, it's for me show. Yeah that Emily,
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  Speaker 3: not Emily a primary the one we called Emily. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it's great to look at all these options.
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  Speaker 3: So if it was a setup, then Gretchen could have
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  Speaker 3: told the truth at that dinner that that is what happened,
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  Speaker 3: and then the lie detector test was proven that she
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  Speaker 3: didn't lie, but she was covered and they were setting
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  Speaker 3: up Katie to take her down. Okay, personally, I don't
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  Speaker 3: feel like it was a full setup to take Katie down.
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  Speaker 3: Do I think that the lie detectors were accurate? No,
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  Speaker 3: but I do not think that.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 3: Emily, Emily and Gina doing this to specifically, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fudge the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: Right, they were doing it to take Katie down, but
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  Speaker 4: the setting up a lie detector that was a for
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  Speaker 4: Gaizy exactly take her down. And at least in there
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  Speaker 4: I could see them, you know, not knowing. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a great lie detector exam.
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  Speaker 3: So why would Gretchen bring this up add a dinner
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  Speaker 3: with Current Housewives? And when was the dinner?
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  Speaker 2: The dinner was in September of twenty twenty four, and.
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  Speaker 3: So that was before she was asked to be a housewife.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Well, that's before it was announced. It sounds
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  Speaker 2: like they were in talks for a while. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if she saw if she's kind of forming
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  Speaker 2: her alliances in September.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, God that so she's forming her alliances. That's
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  Speaker 3: a theory. There you go sharing deep information about.
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  Speaker 2: September twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. Is that dinner and
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  Speaker 2: October twenty twenty four, no date, but October is when
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  Speaker 2: Kiki and Katie have a picture together at lunch. That's
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  Speaker 2: after the union reunion, before the beginning of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Because Shannon filmed Love Hotel in September of twenty two.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you Calender, Emily. Nice work, Deanna.
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  Speaker 4: You wanted to say one other thing to add is
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  Speaker 4: that what we also have to add to the mix
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  Speaker 4: is that we witnessed Gretchen tell two people that she
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  Speaker 4: did go to the hospital the next morning, real time,
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  Speaker 4: not she didn't do it back in the day, back
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  Speaker 4: at a dinner in twenty four on the season this season,
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  Speaker 4: and within weeks or days however long it took to
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  Speaker 4: film the lie detector test. She's saying to them when
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  Speaker 4: they're asking her point blank, remember when you said to
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  Speaker 4: us that you did go to the hospital. She's saying,
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  Speaker 4: I never said that, and we have the footage of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she said me, I must have misspoke. I never never.
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  Speaker 3: You mispake, you misspake? How do you misspect? Misspoke?
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  Speaker 2: What misspoke?
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  Speaker 3: Is it bespoke? Do you mispake? How do you misspeak
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  Speaker 3: about that? It's a life cla fla fla fla suh to.
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  Speaker 3: That's where I'm like, yes, Tamra, I don't believe Gretchen
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  Speaker 3: for a second about this situation. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: is the truth, but I know that she's lying. She's
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  Speaker 3: lying in our faces, right in our faces. And it's
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  Speaker 3: and even when remember when hearkening back to when they
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  Speaker 3: were in New Orleans and she was getting this information,
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  Speaker 3: her face set it all. And at the meeting with Kiki,
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  Speaker 3: her face set it all. I can't believe that she
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  Speaker 3: said us to I can't believe that. Why would and
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  Speaker 3: we did something that and like she it's everything that
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  Speaker 3: she is showing us physically that she's lying. So ill
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  Speaker 3: we already know right on the count of three, we
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  Speaker 3: all agree that she's lying. One two three, Yeah, question,
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  Speaker 3: it's okay, great, we.
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  Speaker 4: Still don't know the truth. What is she lying about?
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  Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, we're lying about I have a feeling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She I think Slade in her didn't fully get very
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  Speaker 4: very clear about like this whole thing, and she said
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  Speaker 4: it to Shannon and to Tamra like she's got she
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  Speaker 4: got confused about what she should be saying. And she's
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  Speaker 4: saying the next morning I was in the hospital, and
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  Speaker 4: then who was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, no, it's the next morning.
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  Speaker 2: Never so right, I think that, But we have to
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  Speaker 2: remember that we got here because Katie said she didn't
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  Speaker 2: talk to Keiki about this. Yeah, so she could have
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  Speaker 2: talked to she's saying she never talked to Keiki about
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  Speaker 2: any of this, which could have been I think what
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  Speaker 2: happened was Katie didn't maybe know that this was very crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she knew it was very crazy, but she
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  Speaker 2: didn't know it wasn't public knowledge. Maybe on some level,
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  Speaker 2: is there a way where she's talking.
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  Speaker 3: To no, I mean her her past of going to
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  Speaker 3: Bravo babe, and that that to begin with the filming
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  Speaker 3: of Shannon, and I don't care what or what she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going to do with that but it just that's
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  Speaker 3: just adds to the list. And now the Kiki thing,
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  Speaker 3: these are three huge and if I'm missing anything, tell me,
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  Speaker 3: but these are three huge lies in the like paparazzi
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  Speaker 3: that okay, right, and we don't know about, but it
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  Speaker 3: shows that she's messy enough to continuously go to people,
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  Speaker 3: to continuously go to bloggers or sources. And again we've
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  Speaker 3: all said it and we all agree, yes, of course
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  Speaker 3: to some degree the housewives, all their hands are dirty,
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  Speaker 3: they're getting in the mess here and there and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that, but not to this degree in which she
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  Speaker 3: is just throwing everything at the wall.
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  Speaker 2: And well, Tamara has thrown it all at the wall
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  Speaker 2: and we keep taking her back.
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  Speaker 4: She's I think the fact that a new housewife is
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  Speaker 4: part of what we're factoring in. And you know, right,
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  Speaker 4: take it or leave it. But it's just came in.
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  Speaker 4: You came in like you've been there ten years and
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  Speaker 4: you're working your contacts and you've been through the ringer,
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  Speaker 4: Like we love you to come in out with a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a fresh energy.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's wild that Katie is like, I will
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  Speaker 3: die on this hill that I did not speak to Kiki.
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  Speaker 3: Tell Kiki. Yeah, and that to me is terrifying. Dement
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  Speaker 3: it because I don't believe in a world that she
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  Speaker 3: didn't tell that to Kiki. Now, let me enter in Sheena,
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  Speaker 3: because we're good as gold here. Now. Sheena has moved
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  Speaker 3: from the valley down to Orange County and now she
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  Speaker 3: is involved, which is great for her and the Shenanigans podcast.
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  Speaker 3: But because Keiki is always on her podcast and they
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  Speaker 3: have a friendship, and because she is really close with
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  Speaker 3: Gretchen and has been four years since like twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: and the reason why, and Sheena said something along the
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  Speaker 3: lines of, like, why isn't Gretchen shown in any of
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  Speaker 3: the footage for a lot of the things that you're
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  Speaker 3: involved with when you've been filming, And her whole thing
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  Speaker 3: is like, they don't really like to show the cross
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  Speaker 3: pollination sometimes, which is weird. They do when they're in
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  Speaker 3: charge of it and when they construct it, the network
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  Speaker 3: or the producers, Yeah, but not when it's rogue, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I get that makes sense, and I believe they've
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  Speaker 3: got a real friendship. Shina also has said she has
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  Speaker 3: never ever heard Gretchen tell her that she had to
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  Speaker 3: go to the hospital and that there was a toxicology
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  Speaker 3: report and they found drugs in her system and that
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  Speaker 3: she was allegedly roofed. Sheena spoke on that I think
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  Speaker 3: today even saying or whenever she did this in the
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  Speaker 3: last twenty four hours, who knows. She never heard this information.
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  Speaker 3: So now Sheena is brought into this by Facebok Reality sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: And the conspiracy theory is that Sheena told Kiki Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Katie and Teddy because Katie was on Teddy's podcast. Katie
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  Speaker 3: and Teddy are alleging that Sheena well.
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  Speaker 4: Old Teddy also Tamra's podcast, right, okay, but Tamra wasn't on.
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  Speaker 3: She was interviewing. But yes, yes, you're getting your head
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  Speaker 3: around it exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So Katie was with on the Tamra and.
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  Speaker 3: To Tea's in a pod and it was just to interview.
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  Speaker 3: It was just Katie, one t it was one T
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  Speaker 3: past well because past isn't allowed to recap Orange County.
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  Speaker 3: It's a conflict and she can't be there. Yeah, okay, So,
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  Speaker 3: and I haven't listened to that full podcast yet because
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  Speaker 3: there's just too much out there. I you know, I
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  Speaker 3: had to go through Face Reality sixteen highlights last night.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean one woman, but like I hear, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so Sina's saying she's heard her say she went to
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  Speaker 4: the hospital after that. But but back, guess who has
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  Speaker 4: heard her say it? Way to have you know, so
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  Speaker 4: I don't know you know what I mean? He said
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  Speaker 4: it to us, So we watched her, watch the words
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  Speaker 4: come out of her mouth. So like, okay, but we
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  Speaker 4: have so someone has.
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  Speaker 3: And why wouldn't Gretchen say that to Sena after all
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  Speaker 3: these years and then go to it and then go
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  Speaker 3: to a dinner and not and say, not tell Sena,
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  Speaker 3: but then tell this dinner Because Teddy said something along
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  Speaker 3: the lines of like you're really good at not answering questions.
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  Speaker 2: Oh this is like my head's I think. Just at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, they're both lying, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right, which brings me back to this is
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  Speaker 3: a cast full of liar faces, which you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: always going to have a bunch of liar faces. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's how things. We still don't even know who sold
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  Speaker 3: the stories to. Uh what was a Lisa vander Pump?
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  Speaker 3: What what rag was that for the puppy?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, was it? Okay magazine no, what was it?
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  Speaker 3: Damn it Angler, we all knew it. We all knew it.
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  Speaker 3: Mirror Daily Mail, Hello, oh, Daily Mail.
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  Speaker 4: Hello Hello.
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  Speaker 3: We still don't know. We still don't know who's sold
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  Speaker 3: the puppy Gate stories to right to Daily Mail, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. So you know, everyone's gonna lie at some point.
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  Speaker 3: We expect that in every season, no problem, but here
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  Speaker 3: we have a collision of liar faces, and this is
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  Speaker 3: too much for us all to handle, and it's involving
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  Speaker 3: outside bloggers and outside people, and it's getting to be
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  Speaker 3: way too much. Yeah, it's it's exciting because now we're
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  Speaker 3: trying to unravel all of this. But then, just like
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  Speaker 3: you said, Emily, at the end of the day, we
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  Speaker 3: unravel it to the exactly the same place, which is
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  Speaker 3: just a not in the middle of lies of.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody telling lies of obvious lies, like they're so obvious
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  Speaker 2: to me. There's like it's not even it's like, Gretchen,
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  Speaker 2: you said on camera that this isn't true. Katie, you've
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: this is your pattern camera you are lying about like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: walking in here like it's just everybody like it's just
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: so easy to like pinpoint it. And then the thing
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: that is not sitting well with me is that Katie
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: gets sidelined. Katie gets sidelined on it, and then yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I mean there's definitely damage control and issues that I
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: don't like about Katie's lies. But then with Gretchen too,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: and I will say I appreciate, I know, like we're
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: kind of recapping the face reality thing. I do appreciate
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: if they're like that episode was fucking bonkers of naked
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and wasted and could never air now because the whole
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: thing top to bottom is fucking wild.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's really like, that's what's interesting about it
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: is that we're not talking about I mean we are.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I think some people are talking about how that was
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and how messed up that was. And maybe that's exactly
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: why maybe Tamra gotta try to get okay, hold on,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: here's where we're thinking on the fly, all right, now,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: now here we go, okay, Deanna, So we so we
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: got Tamra seeing this come down the pipeline and she's like,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: this is really bad for me because that is unacceptable
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: to do essentially back then and right and in this
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: day and age. It's gonna look really, really bad when
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: we start digging up naked wasted. So I better get
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: ahead of this, get my mixer out, and start trying
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: to cause so much chaos between everybody else so that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: it takes the the glare off of what I did
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: all those years ago. I don't know.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know either, because she took it directly to Gretchen. Now,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I guess you could say maybe Tama thought I have her.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Each way, if she says that that's what happened, I'm
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: gonna sew her ass off. And if she says it
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: didn't happen, then we got Katie.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: So either way, I am nailing her to the wall.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I'm nailing someone to the wall.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: The only person who could ever fight in the ring
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: several battles at once is one Tamra Judge.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except for to your point, though, I don't think
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: she wants I don't think she wants this out there
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: anymore than it already is. And I don't think she
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: by suing them, that whole episode's gonna get very good. Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and so.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It's not great.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not great. It's weird because in a weird way, Gretchen, Slade,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and Tamara are all aligned that they would like to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: change the subject please for very different reasons. Yeah, Katie
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is the only one bringing this up.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: So yeah, if we're taking the okay, So then let
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: me ask you this based on this episode we just saw,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: we have a sit down at the top of the show,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: close to the top of the show with Jen and Katie,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: who apparently we're both at that dinner at the same time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: That's it that we know they're at the dinner where
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: this information did or did not get said. Jen, if
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: she knows it was said, is sitting down for a
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: one on one where she has to get ready to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: lie in her friend's face.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: So, here's what my experience of that sit down was
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: is like it took a while for Katie to say
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: to her, well, you were there and you heard it too,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Like that should be the first they're sitting down. It
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: should be the first thing out of her mouth when
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: they start talking about it, like, Jen, are you kidding me?
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: You were there? But she isn't. She's first starting out
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: with the lie detector.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Like right now, yes, sus as this you know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: That feels a little weird to me. And then we
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: have Jen, who I'm like, is she that could she
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: be that good about.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: A liar, right, because I believe her too when she speaks.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I'm like, there must
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: be something writing on this so bad that she's so
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: committed to this. That's the only way she did be
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: able to get through this. I agree with you. Jen
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: looks so believable.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: But she looked believable with the Ryan stuff too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that part, But that also was ignorance.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And this may be true. She may not have heard
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: it like she on it. I don't.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: She may not have a.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Dinner table at a restaurant. Maybe there was another conversation
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: going on. Maybe she was in the bathroom, like if
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: this is like, if you're going to argue this in court,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: She's got a lot of deniability here. There's a like
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you she can say, I just didn't hear that one sentence, right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Right, I remember She's like, I guess that happened when
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: they were singing Happy Birthday to the table over there,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and I was saying, yes.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And almost the Mastros has the best birthday song, Happy,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: happy Birthday, we want to celebrate. Yeah, so they come
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: out either Dubro loves that. Yeah that I agree with you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So there could be a world where Jen genuinely did
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: not hear some key words and is able to say
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I heard her talk about naked wasted, but I didn't
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: hear the drugs in the system hospital part, okay, And
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Katie is like, you were there. You had to have
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: heard it. We were all there.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Assuming assuming Jen is saying she heard the hospital by
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the way, just like the next day, or because she
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't feeling well, Jen is committing to the hospital portion,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: just not the drug portion.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And Ryan is denying.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: What's where.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: He says he's on a group call with Slade and Matt.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Matt really was making me laugh about like do you
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: think him on the because Matt, I mean, first of all,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: the credit I give Matt I have to check in
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: with myself on because it's like, are the glasses and
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the tidy hair and the you know, Russie, Am I
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: giving a white man everything? Because you know, I'm giving
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: him so much freaking credit. That said, he admits that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: they were going to cover it up. He's like Slade said,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: we are all and he admits it, like, yes, we
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: are going to be in alignment with you. You know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: got it? Because I guess this is what we do
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: here on this show, Like this is like a cult.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: You believe him because he really believable. And also I'm like,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: this is like a first season house husband who just
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be thirsty at all for the gig,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and so he seems to just be trying to do
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: whatever the right thing is for his wife and the show.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Like he doesn't know, you know, he's like, sure, we're
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: all on saying this great, which I found very believable.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: So then it's like Katie decided to go rogue on
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: all of them, including her husband.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And let me also mention that there is a very
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: solid foundation that lives under Katie, which is not just
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: liar but embellishment and taking it a step further, which
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: is where I believe I kind of believe Jen in
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: that Katie was like, oh, she heard hospital, she heard
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: they tested her blood, and then she took it to
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: they found drugs in her system because why would they
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: test her blood if she was you know, okay. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, so Katie is like she's taking it
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to the next level and then.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Even just like filling it in like I honestly I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: would do that too. I would think I would think
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: that if somebody told me that that happened, I would
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: fill in the blanks and go with the fill in
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the blank story.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: But you wouldn't tell other people that that was fact
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and that that person said that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I think in my head I would. In terms of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Gretchen saying I went after naked wasted, I think Gretchen
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: must have used the word drugged at some even She's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: like I had laughing or whatever.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Like I drugged. I was so sick.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I drugged me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wondered if
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I was drugged. That's how that's how messed up I was.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: But you'd think that Gretchen would say, well, no, you
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: can't trust what she's going to say. But you'd think
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that even Jen would say, I remember her joking around
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: and maybe and maybe Gretchen could say, yeah, it was
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: joking around it how sick I was. I maybe I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: mentioned I felt like I was drugged, but that would
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: make her guilty of, you know, accusing Tamra of drugging
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: her ish ish. But I think that like what you
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: were saying, Emily, I agree as as investigators that we are,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you know, we would be putting two and two together,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: and it's possible that that Gretchen was laying out a
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: nice little blanket for everybody to fill in the blanks,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to get right, to get them on her side against Tamra.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: So she was lightly sprinkling things out there on purpose
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to get them to think the worst of Tamra, which
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: is like I don't know, and naked wasted, Well, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: got a story about that, but I mean that was
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: not just naked wasted that. I mean who even knows?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I mean like wow, because I mean, like I was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: so sick I had to go like I'm the hospital,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean who knows, like blood and tests?
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You know, it could have been anything where words are
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: being thrown out. And then Katie is just just rabid,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: rabid for information and because she's wanting to be the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: bone collector to be on the Housewives, so she's going
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: to take this and run with it, which is what
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: she did.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: And we can't forget because as you're like laying that
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: picture out, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of Ryan sitting there,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: and I'm thinking of what Tamra, how she exposed him
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: so badly last season. I'm thinking of Jen who was
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: at her wits end and was screaming at Tamra last
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: at the end of the season, and then you have
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Gretchen and Slade who literally are back to take her down.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of juice at that table wanting
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: to take to.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Riship just right exactly, and that's the motive. So getting
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: back to our original question, why would Gretchen go and
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: meet with a table of housewives and their partners and
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: bring this up? And that is what it is. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: think that she laid out some breadcrumbs that were so
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: big and that Katie ran like hell with it, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: maybe Gretchen didn't expect her to run that hard with
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: the ball, using some terms, and then that she would
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: run that hard with the ball and then actually go
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to a source and tell them this. That's where backfired,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: which is why when Gretchen is confronted with this information,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: all she can say is, I can't believe she did
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: something like this. I can't believe she did something like this.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Why would It's insane because she didn't think she would
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: take it that far. So it's like, well she did.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You didn't know who you were dealing with, and now
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: you have to pick up the pieces. This is a
• 31:01
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  Speaker 3: are just trying our damn best to break this down
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  Speaker 3: the way that we feel is necessary, even though at
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, Emily, what do we say,
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  Speaker 3: They're both lying, They're all liars. They're all lying.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it's the spider Man meme so cited in the
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  Speaker 2: Face Reality sixteenth.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is it?
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  Speaker 2: It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all like pointing at
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: each other, the right man with their names on them,
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  Speaker 2: like right, Camra, Bravo.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Well, at that beach day, I thought that was unbelievable
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: day for everybody. I mean, first of all, Katie wasn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: there Friday, good news Friday. I kind of was like
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: when Shannon's daughter showed up. Unfortunately she had that breakup.
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  Speaker 3: That was such a bummer. Everyone's stories about breakups were
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: not uplifting at all. None of them were. They were
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: all surfacing from like middle school, and I was like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: none of you are on her level. None of these
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: stories are going to make whatever make me feel better.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: It's not relatable at all. And on top of it,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Heather was like, but at the end of the day,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: he turned out to be gay, so it wasn't really
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that I got dumped because I am not a man,
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  Speaker 3: so he wasn't interested in me. I was like, Heather,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: why are you making this about you? Don't make yourself
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: look better?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Help her?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I just I resented that about everybody, And
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: that biggest problem.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was fun. I thought it
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: was like, this is like break up light because like
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: we all know their divorces have been a horror show,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: so they.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Should have said something about that. They should have been like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you're young, because look at me, and it's only going
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: to get worse.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, don't look over here. As the best
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: case scenario is just I thought it was fun. I did.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I kind of did think it was fun too. The stories.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: It wasn't helpful per se. It wasn't helpful, but it
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: lighten the load.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: It's just like they're gonna come and go and they're
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: stupid and you know.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like Shannon's worst breakup is John Janssen
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and or David Badore. Like we know Simon's a nightmare
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: from Tampa.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: So it's like it would have been fun to have
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: them joke those off.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I have to say, I have to give Tamara a
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: lot of credit because that story about her going into
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: her ex boyfriend's house and taking a knife and just
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: slitting up that that's psychotic for the And then but
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: the funniest part is her coming out to the garage
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: with a knife and him pulling in with his new
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: girlfriend and then backing out and running away. Hilarious.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, like these women will admit to crimes the ps
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: that's a crime.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I don't. I love that for her, I loved it
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: for us. But then it was interesting to see Tamar
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: and Gretchen actually sit down and have a bit of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: an apology. I knew that we would see it at
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: some point. Obviously it's not going to last.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It's I do you really think Tamra prevented Slade from
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: getting jobs? It was like, no me either, Slade did
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: to Slade. Anybody that looks Slate up or knows anything
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: about the show has their own opinions on Slade as
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a person, So I don't know if someone was directly
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: associated with Tamra as a human, not on the show.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but like jobs with an S, no, I think
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I sort of yeah, sorry, Oh, I'm just going to say,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I think that it's a good excuse for Slade to use.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: It's also plausible that during that time, it was, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the internet was such a new thing in a way
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: back then, and it is possible that it did affect
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a job or a conversation maybe two tops, But then
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: so many years have gone by, so it does seem like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you know, he would have been able to get through that,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and so I didn't really at the end of the day,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't give him that, but I think
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe for one or two, I'll give him that.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I'll give him one maybe one.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Which then it turns into with an S.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, yeah, maybe, I mean Slade is Slade.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: He did himself not one favor on that show. So
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you can just watch footage of that if you or
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't think. I also was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: surprised that Tamara a bit so quick when Gretchen said
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that she's like what And that's the thing that like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: let me screw it up and hug you.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: It knees together so emily because she brought Joe to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: the beach. This girl, Tama, you can't get there's not
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: things don't never come out of her mouth. I buy
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: it when she says it, Like, I'm like, oh, she
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: seemed to really feel that that she cost him jobs.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: I had the same exact feeling. But I'm like, she's
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: so slippery within these conversations with you can't get a
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: hold of her.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: She's the greatest reality star of all time. I mean, honestly,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I have to give it to her in terms of
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: being so villainous and then also likable at the same time. Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: so diabolical in many ways and somewhat authentic. It is
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a wild balance. And that's why I'm saying, especially for
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: a decade, right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, she does that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: She will cry at the drop of a hat, and
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: you feel her sincerity immediately when she apologizes immediately, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: she can turn on a dime like like the wind.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: It's nuts.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels much more believable than like not
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that Vicky ever was like lying about that it just
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: feels more grounded with Tamera than it does with like
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a Vicky.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, Vicky has so much self hatred that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: She I know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Really sorry, I that's so sad, I absolutely do.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Y see, I think it's Vicky. I think I think
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: she has an inflated sense of self in a good way.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: That can be true too, but she has a lot
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: of self hatred. She may also like hype her own
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: self up and all of that, but I think at
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: the core she's she's very angry.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: You know. It sounds like you're describing.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe that's why they both.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they're both you know, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I just like, yeah, she is great because you for
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: all those reasons, and it's why I have a hard time, Like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying for me Vicky is she
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't have the nuance that Tamra does. So it's hard
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: to like her many. You know, you may enjoy what
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: like her overall, but like as a person, I would
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: have a very hard time dealing with Vicky. For Tamra,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I could see myself.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, because she's not ground red ship. Absolutely,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: she seems loyal as hell and then she like Kyle, Yes, like.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle, people that aren't on the show. Yeah, she's
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: tight with Kyle now because it's Teddy.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Oh right right, you're right, Yeah, I completely agree. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: then we have Shannon sitting at that beach picnic like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm the only one who's fine. They've made up,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: which we obviously know because the mid season trailer camera
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: does basically like that's my opinion, but flips off Gretchen
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: in her face and screams like that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: So when Shannon gave one of her classic lines and
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: this is what I live for with her first of all,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: sauntering up to that beach in an oversized black sweatsuit
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: and a crazy hat, I was like, girl, you don't.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I have never seen someone give less of an f
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: being on The Real Housewives of Then this season, like
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: she is putting on whatever is not dirty truly in
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: her house, truly whatever not in the bin?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Well that that could have been in the bin. It
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: was all Black's.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: It wasn't in the bin.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a been had had the least amount of
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: archie here, it's gonna show. She was rolling it out.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: She was a roller in the car on the way there.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's giving more than I can imagine her
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: giving because she really doesn't care this season. But when
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: they when she saw them skipping back and she's like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: oh god, you know, I'm the last one. And then
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: they were like someone's like is it well, is this
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: the first step? And you know it is a step,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: and Shannon's like, is it step one of multiple steps?
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: You know, just trying to get the lay of the land,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: like are we in or is it multiple? Or you know, yeah,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: what sort of timeline are we looking at here? You know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: She's like, I love this girl. She's so funny.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Can we go from the Manila envelope that Katie brought
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: about the polygraphers to Jen? And then that envelope goes
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: to another lunch where Jen presents it with Shannon No,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Heather and Tamra, where Tamra and Jen kind of make up.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: And I have to say I laughed. I actually laughed
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: out loud when Heather took that selfie with them in
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: the background. She's like, thought sucks. And then she made
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: a hilarious face that was so funny. She's like, this
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: is going I feel really good about this.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: She was like we'll see.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awesome, and I liked how Jen was
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: very honest in making up with her. I mean, I
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: like the moves that Jen makes when she is in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: these one on one situations and is yet that's why
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: this is so difficult is that you have another person
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: involved that was a witness to all of this that
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: cannot co sign what Katie is saying, and it is
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: something nice kind of oh well, kind of a half
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: witness because she heard hospital hospital, she heard hospital.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, got it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Right, Which thank you for reminding me of that, Diana,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: because that is a very important piece of the puzzle,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: because I forgot very important. She has acknowledged hospital hospital
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: smells like hospital.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Jen go very far with somebody, though, because let's not
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: forget when Ryan answers in total darkness in a black
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: vacuum on FaceTime, when she's on a girl's trip and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it's like, what, no, just taking a nap, just totally alone,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: taking a nap. Let's talk. It's two pm, Ryan, why
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: is it pitch dark? Like why are you doing this?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: So she and she's like, okay, whatever, let's get married.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And then I do think she'll believe whatever she wants
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: to believe to like whatever is the spot in the situation.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's in a spot, and you know, just
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: like these other people have their motives, she's trying to live.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: She's trying to, you know, lock down some money. The
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: croissants in a box, I'll never forget it, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: was that was that?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Wass?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Jen? Oh?
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: It was Jen. Everybody's come on a budget.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Everybody got a budget. And Heather was like, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, Heather's like.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: They were nibbling on it. They were nibbling on those nib.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: You know, listen, you could have put it on a box.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: People will nibble.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Emily Simpson learned her lesson from going so hard on
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Jen about being like not having the same amount of
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: money as everybody, because remember she went on her, went
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: in on her so hard about that last year, and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: so when she opened up the croissante, she's like, I
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, Emily, Gina did you mean Gina?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And Emily She's like, this is great, this is exactly
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: That's exactly that's exactly what I want, which actually gives
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of clout, if you will, to the authenticity
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: of Real housewives. When someone has to host a party,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: but he didn't give her obviously didn't give her a
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: budget for that, or if they did, it was they
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: covered them. Yeah, it covered the seating.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: She spent the whole stick candles in the centerpieces that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: came down right away as soon as they said, we
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: have these.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: For an hour, we have these for an hour. But
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: also there were several extras at that. You know, we
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: had Shannon's daughter, then we had Joe, Then we had
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Gina's husband's new girlfriendt Britt, which that story is wild
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: about nd Oh my god, that's crazy.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Gina had one of her Gina's She's like, uh because
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: she said uh when she's over there and she says
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: to Matt she I had to go back and hear
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: it again because she was like, was a good was
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a good beef up wall? And I was like, beef
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: on the walls of his arteries? Like I was like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: what is she talking about? And then she said it
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: was a good wake up call. But I heard it
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: was a good beef up call.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: You got you got the beef on the walls of you. Well,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: it's like, is this a red meat and arteries?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Right? But that honestly, it was good because it's like
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: you see Matt and he looks healthy, you know, but
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: like you, it's a good reminder to get that check
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: because you could have that David Letterman heart where it's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like everything is healthy and then you have a heart attack.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: So many people who are healthy in their runners and
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: they and they have heart attacks. And then it made me.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Just like that genetics. But what were you gonna say
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: about We're gonna say about.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Let's end on that sentence. Yea, they just have that genetics.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: We we will wrap it up. We will wrap it up.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: But this story has tentacles because now it's reaching Sena
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and it's bringing us.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: All as arteries.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: It has you know what. So you know, we don't
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: know where this will lead us. But at the end
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: of the day, let's get it together. Orange County. Can
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: we have somebody please be honest on this show, for
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the love of for the love of Orange County.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe the waiter heard it. Can you
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: imagine if the waiter comes through.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's actually taking outside people for us to believe,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: like Kiki Monique is why we are locking in on
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: a truth line. If she wasn't stepping in, I don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: know where we would be, yeah, because we wouldn't know
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: where to land.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't believe Katie at all, right, yeah right, and
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Right, but but I mean, now we really don't believe
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Katie on that. But it's also like it gives it
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: does and it actually is acting Gretchen's lie, like we
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: really did need an outside source to come in and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: so that we know where to stand our ground on this.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird too to have Gretchen and her confessional
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: be like, you know, I got all my blie detector tests,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: right woo, and it's like but but but but but
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: but but but but but you're still a liar, Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: we all know it, and so we're we have to negate.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: We have to negate that detector test. We have to because.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Lying to and also we know it's bullshit anyway, we
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: know that. So that's another thing that we've learned, is
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like blie detector tests can't be administered like that and
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: get the correct results.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: So well, alrighty, then so we shall we'll just ride
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: this out till the end of the season, shall we.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think we have a choice.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think we have a choice, all right, Well,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Love you gals for doing this with me, really truly,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: thank you for putting your motion in this. I'm connecting
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: to all I detector test right now. Did you hear
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: that alarm going off? I was lagged.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I was like significantly.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I hope that we can all rest from this over
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the weekend. And you know, you know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Heart, I didn't know I needed to regroup over it,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: but like I'm hearing that, like it's time to sort.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Of, Yeah, let's step away from it for a minute.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Let let the social media do what they're going to do. Yeah,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: and we'll come back in later.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: Tell you what, I'm not listening to Sena. I'll tell
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: you that much right now. Okay, I don't care. I'll
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: I am deleting her contributions.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Okay. I'm not going to go down the Sheena rabbit hole.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think that has anything to do with it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: So I'm I'm pushing that out. Shenanigans is out.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you're both still sharing your location with her,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: which is fucked up.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I know I can I get away from it, Okay, everybody,
• 54:03
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• 54:09
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• 54:12
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• 54:16
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• 54:19
  Speaker 3: a nice weekend.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Bye,