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Robin Hood Nerfed How the Hero of Altered Lost His Edge · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: When the drops all eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Become well, big tournament has a big tournament has had
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  Speaker 2: one hundred or more altered already now and that's how
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  Speaker 2: keep in Arizona, Like, well, yeah, not anyway us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, COVID kind of killed a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: Probably are set up, yes, but that's neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 2: I whitched my name on the Unique Conversation because it
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  Speaker 1: that's like normal. Lookie, Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You sound perfect and we can understand, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, perfect. So we're going to do this the old school,
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  Speaker 1: last weekend. Clearly, according to the last episode, I don't exist.
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  Speaker 1: And we have coal.
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  Speaker 2: And also Ogre and z today Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Can he eat chicken?
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  Speaker 1: Oh so he's gonna be by the time somebody finds him.
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  Speaker 2: Uber eats exists and everything. Maybe he'll survive.
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  Speaker 1: But boy, howdy, we got tons and tons and tons
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  Speaker 1: to go over. I mean honestly, like we got we
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  Speaker 1: do the unique of the week and why suck a
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  Speaker 1: key forge man, I don't even know if we want
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  Speaker 1: to go over this. Like, honestly, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was gonna say I put it, put a penny in
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  Speaker 3: the jar because you just like Keith Forging, I really
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  Speaker 3: oh you did.
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  Speaker 4: It's so so habit, right, it is just.
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  Speaker 1: A habit, but like whoa mind blown gone Wawoo players
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  Speaker 1: something like just crotch shopping all week, just to all
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  Speaker 1: the Woo players out there. Huge news coming out of
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  Speaker 1: altered robin Hood has been modified. He's been erotted, he's
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  Speaker 1: been banned, he's been he hasn't been banned.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on, I mean nobody's nobody is playing robin Hood
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  Speaker 5: as it is.
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  Speaker 4: Now. All right, are we jumping? Are we going to
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  Speaker 4: be at the unique of the week?
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  Speaker 1: We're going right in the metal lines man, Like this
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  Speaker 1: is there's too much going on here? I yeah, jump
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  Speaker 1: right in?
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  Speaker 4: Go all right? All right?
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  Speaker 3: So the medal line this week is why Wao has
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  Speaker 3: been lowered from an st here two possibly a minus.
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  Speaker 4: Other people might disagree, but that's okay. They can be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: So so the big thing after the article is at
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  Speaker 3: least unaltered. November fourteenth, robin Hood's ability massively changed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, let's go through those real quick. So the changes
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  Speaker 1: are as such. So robin Hood used to read cards,
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  Speaker 1: your opponent plays costs one more, right, and that's for
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  Speaker 1: the rare ability. Yeah, what was the common ability? I
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  Speaker 1: thought he had a character character. So now robin Hood
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  Speaker 1: reads as such for the new version. For the common
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  Speaker 1: characters your opponent play cannot cannot cost less than two.
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  Speaker 1: If they do, they cost two instead. The rare is
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  Speaker 1: cards your opponent plays can't cost less than two. If
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  Speaker 1: they do, they would cost two instead. And then they
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  Speaker 1: go into this like kind of mini paragraph. You need
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  Speaker 1: cards that used to have robin Hood's ability now have
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  Speaker 1: the new court And I was curious. This was the
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  Speaker 1: one that I was the most curious about because like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously there's unique robin Hoods out there, how do you
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  Speaker 1: around all of them?
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  Speaker 5: Like, you know, change, just change the text that says
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  Speaker 5: all cards cost one more to.
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  Speaker 1: You need cards that used to have the robin Hood's
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  Speaker 1: ability now have the new corresponding ability instead. Unique cards
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  Speaker 1: will only use the short version of the text. Characters
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  Speaker 1: your opponent's play cannot cut less than too cards your
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  Speaker 1: opponent play your opponent plays cannot cost less than too.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: So this just completely makes the double text unique robin
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  Speaker 5: Hood's worthless because it does nothing now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it makes it makes any character or card
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  Speaker 3: that had this ability like massively less useful at this point, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: So The big thing is like this was interesting, is
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  Speaker 3: that they talked about that in their testing right. They
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  Speaker 3: have a very thorough article about how it originated, how
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  Speaker 3: it changed, what they saw recently, and why they decided
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  Speaker 3: to go with this change. And one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that they had was that it would used to be
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  Speaker 3: like a five cost or something like that, and that
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't seen very much play because of the cost
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  Speaker 3: and the stats were low. Well, with this ability, you
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  Speaker 3: basically just made a card not playable or lack there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're not really going to get the utility
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  Speaker 3: out of it. The only way that I ever see
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  Speaker 3: is getting played anymore because it's only effects just a
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  Speaker 3: handful of metadecks right now. Right it affects Turbosus and
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  Speaker 3: Sigi to Siggy has some cheaper cards that they like
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  Speaker 3: to play. The only way that I potentially see this
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  Speaker 3: in the future getting played is if they the game
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  Speaker 3: itself all out of sideboard, uh to where you could
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  Speaker 3: switch in and out. But they had expressed earlier that
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  Speaker 3: they don't have a sideboard and they don't plan change in.
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  Speaker 4: That for right now.
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  Speaker 3: So as it is, robin Hood basically is going to
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  Speaker 3: be taken out of all war Root decks, yes, which
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  Speaker 3: will probably make the game play a lot more balance friendly.
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  Speaker 4: It's true. It's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 3: Now with with that being said again, as it started off,
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  Speaker 3: probably Waru as it was going from an S tier
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  Speaker 3: hero back down to an A minus puts it on
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  Speaker 3: love with some of the other you know, potential six
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  Speaker 3: to eight other meta decks that are out there right now,
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  Speaker 3: There are there are, it's.
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  Speaker 2: The meta line section, right. Even though we're combining a
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  Speaker 2: lot of parts of this into the robin Hood discussion,
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  Speaker 2: I am going to be the one the anti ortist
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  Speaker 2: person to say from the outside, I still see a
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  Speaker 2: ton of ways that robin Hood is viable as a
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  Speaker 2: Muna player. It is still disruptive when you're playing Tasia.
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  Speaker 2: Your spindles are gonna get hit, Your shrooms.
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  Speaker 4: Can get hit.
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  Speaker 2: They can't get this go down any more than two
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  Speaker 2: with your Meadow, So it kind of hits Meadow a
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  Speaker 2: little as well. I mean even some even some like
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  Speaker 2: Novenka and Arak cards and decks are kind of hit
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  Speaker 2: by Robinhood.
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  Speaker 1: How it is now, Well, just just because y'all chose
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  Speaker 1: bad heroes doesn't mean.
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  Speaker 4: Well, see what all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying is all of these Waroo players and Robin
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  Speaker 2: Hood fans are acting like it's the end of the
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  Speaker 2: world and all you got to do is use your
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  Speaker 2: head of it.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I still hungry?
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  Speaker 2: I players aren't used to it?
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  Speaker 1: But well, I mean, because here's the deal, right, because
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  Speaker 1: like with with the change, right, and this is a
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  Speaker 1: big change, right. I really sure this was the change
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  Speaker 1: personally I was hoping for, like some something along these lines.
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  Speaker 1: I think they crushed it too, by the way, addressing
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  Speaker 1: it like this, really, Robin Hood's not meta anymore, right now,
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  Speaker 1: robin hoods kind of irrelevant, like you will not really
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  Speaker 1: like I know you're saying, like, oh, it affects the
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  Speaker 1: there's still there's still uses. But the problem is with
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  Speaker 1: the game with no sideboard, like you have to just
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  Speaker 1: imagine and well, it only really works against what five.
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  Speaker 3: Here I would even say five, I would say about three,
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  Speaker 3: I would say. And that's the thing, like, you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to play a deck that only addresses yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: because if you do, guess what, Kojo is going to
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  Speaker 3: come and stop all of your face. Any kind of
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  Speaker 3: Tajo that is playing any kind of bigger dragons, guess
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  Speaker 3: what they're going to just get to stop all over
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  Speaker 3: your face, like it's not going to be productive. We've
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  Speaker 3: talked about this in other card games before too. You
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  Speaker 3: don't play a deck or you don't bring you know,
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  Speaker 3: a specific card collection to beat one specific deck, to
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  Speaker 3: be TechEd against one deck or one type of deck, right,
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  Speaker 3: because against everything else, you're going to lose.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what well is about a week ago you did,
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  Speaker 1: but now you don't anymore, right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that is still fair to say, and
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, I think it's just a testament
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  Speaker 2: to how many tools are an artist has that because
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  Speaker 2: of the robin Hood change, they're like, oh, now I
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  Speaker 2: just don't put robin Hood in my deck. Where if
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  Speaker 2: it were something like a change to Hydra somehow, I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, well, shit, I still have to play Hydra
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  Speaker 2: when I'm playing Muna, you know mm hm, Like I
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  Speaker 2: don't have Attorneys, I don't have Ozma, I don't have
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  Speaker 2: all this other stuff in my toolkit.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and that's why, like I said, Italy,
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  Speaker 3: it probably goes from an S tier Hero down to
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  Speaker 3: an AUS along with the other you know, top end
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  Speaker 3: meta decks. It you know, it just it definitely got
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  Speaker 3: that step up about that above everybody else that had
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  Speaker 3: taken out from underneath of them. And now, like you said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that is one thing like Ze and I had been
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  Speaker 3: talking about there for a while, like if Robin does
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  Speaker 3: get nerved, where does our deck go and what does
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  Speaker 3: it look like? And I know he's been tooling around
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  Speaker 3: for you know this this last couple few days or
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  Speaker 3: whatever about potentially changing out some of the cards.
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  Speaker 4: We had talked about switching out and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That was my next question for you, Like, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it was three rares in your deck, like where do
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  Speaker 1: you wear? I mean, there's a lot to talk not
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  Speaker 1: the contact still in the article, but where do you
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  Speaker 1: go from here?
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that we had talked about was
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  Speaker 3: going to replacing two Like so we have two rares.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people might have three rares or whatever
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  Speaker 3: or even zero rares based off of robins because they
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  Speaker 3: have good uniques. We had talked about going from taking
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  Speaker 3: the Robins out as rare and putting into potential Kellen
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  Speaker 3: burst or even archivists at rare for you know, keeping.
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  Speaker 4: At all.
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  Speaker 3: And I had talked about that again, we're just testing
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  Speaker 3: out to see what's going to happen. Yeah, the only
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  Speaker 3: reason why it would be in there is to keep
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  Speaker 3: the character count high, but also the bureaucrats as well.
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  Speaker 5: I would actually bring back in Counsel at Common and
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  Speaker 5: then upgrade frog prints to rare.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys are both saying they that he already
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  Speaker 2: did and it's already in the tracker.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately we don't have a ton of games tracked because
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  Speaker 2: he did get sick. But if you go into the tracker,
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  Speaker 2: you can click on his deck. He has rare Kellen Burst,
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  Speaker 2: rare Frog, Prince, rare Attorney, rare cets, and then rare
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  Speaker 2: Bountiful Meadow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna say, what are the bountiful metals?
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  Speaker 4: Is putting that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: From two to three that was a choice.
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  Speaker 5: Put back in another Bountiful Meadow for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I from once again from the outside, I think there's
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  Speaker 2: potential that we actually see scarier warrior decks come out
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  Speaker 2: of this, just from a point of like having I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not, no, I'm not, I'm not ogre
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  Speaker 2: war is actually not my boogeyman. But just like you know,
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  Speaker 2: things that be born out of you know, necessity or
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  Speaker 2: you know, having to get creative. I think there is
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  Speaker 2: potential where something new props up. That's pretty strong.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's always a possibility, right because now
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  Speaker 1: this makes the Wahoo player go figure something else out, right,
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  Speaker 1: any anytime a card gets banned, like the player who
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  Speaker 1: did that has to go figure some stuff out. Now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you're you're taking three cards out
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  Speaker 3: and now you have to make the other decisions and
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  Speaker 3: kind of like how you had said goal like it
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  Speaker 3: it unfortunately ortis Robin or excuse me, Waru Singi. They
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  Speaker 3: do have options to fall back on, and now it's
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  Speaker 3: too to see to test to see what is the
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  Speaker 3: best of those options. Because robinhood was such a great
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  Speaker 3: card right like as it well I shouldn't say great
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  Speaker 3: apologies apologies, such a strong card right as it was before.
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  Speaker 3: Now it is it is TechEd against only just a
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  Speaker 3: handful of decks. And again that is not the way
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  Speaker 3: that you're going to win.
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  Speaker 1: If not how you win many games, you might win
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  Speaker 1: a few, not a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, just just looking at all the removal on
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  Speaker 2: this deck at Zia's bill is scary.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, like I said, we talked about that quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit, and uh, it'll be interesting to see how
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  Speaker 3: it goes through testing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really glad. I waited to build Waho till after
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  Speaker 1: I have it all in my cart still too. Just
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: like hanging out, I'm like, I'll just buy it when
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  Speaker 1: I come back because I won't see it. And we
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  Speaker 1: were we were opening another box. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see what I get the rares, you know, see
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  Speaker 1: what all comes out of that, because I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a ton. I got a number, but
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  Speaker 1: I've got a ton. And I was like, I'll just
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  Speaker 1: buy whatever I need when I get back. And then
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  Speaker 1: I think this was Monday, right, this is no number fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: so you Thursday, Thursday, Thursday. And they just are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're just gonna dump this year. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like Scoed went on fire, and I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days, I don't know if everybody's burning
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  Speaker 1: their robin Hood cards. Now. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I have seen at least two
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  Speaker 2: different people say I am selling all of my cards.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting out of this game, because you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: It is such a BS statement, like every time, like
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  Speaker 1: a couple, and you know, like, I hope it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those people that spent a bucket of money on
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  Speaker 1: a unique rap. Now like that rounded, right, And this
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  Speaker 1: just proves to you that like, like these are just
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  Speaker 1: pieces of cardboard, right, no need to spend three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty dollars on a unique that may not be
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  Speaker 1: the same. And you know what, I don't even feel
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  Speaker 1: sad for those people. I honestly don't. I don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: This is like the same thing. This happened in Key Forge.
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of people like started buying stuff before they
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  Speaker 1: even knew it was gonna happen. And then they're like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: oh man, now I'm sad. It's like you knew this
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, right, And you couldn't look at
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  Speaker 1: Robin Hood and not go like, oh yeah, this this
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  Speaker 1: will probably change. There's no way they just continue to
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  Speaker 1: let you get away with this for forever.
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  Speaker 3: Well they even addressed it is that they are looking
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  Speaker 3: into the potential of to see what happens with it, right.
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  Speaker 1: So, like you said it, so they not only did
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  Speaker 1: they say it, so if you bought anything after that fact,
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  Speaker 1: you were stupid and that end, but not only that,
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  Speaker 1: Like in card games period dot, end of story. If
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you have any experience in card games whatsoever, like even
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: just a little taste of it, you know, eventually, like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: if there is something that is absolutely busted that is
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: bad for the health of the game, more than likely
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the creator is going to be like, hey, we need
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to change this. That way, everyone else who's not playing
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Blue can also have fun, Like you should just like you,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: this should just automatically pop into your head and be like, yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: this isn't staying for forever, so yeah, we'll go ahead.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Sorry, Oh, I was just going to say there were
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: there were multiple tracked instances of people who didn't want
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: to play the game anymore because of war and robin hood.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So if they showed up to a local and guys,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: if you're playing at a local and someone's new, like
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: come on, why are you going hard on them? First thing?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: But there there was actual feedback like I stopped playing
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the game because this happened to me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and that those are going to happen.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So for every one person's like selling my collection, there's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: probably like five others, you know, But is the damage done?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Is the question? Like can you get those people to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like reel it back in and like come back now
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that this do they even know this change is happening.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows. That's that's well.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I do want to say.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: What is interesting to me is we've talked about this
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: before a little bit about how because the game is
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and digital. They they released the article on the fourteenth
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and the effective date and this is in the article.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: The effective date started the next day, November fifteen, And
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: then they talked about with print on demand and you know, like, obviously,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: since print on demand isn't working right now, that you
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: would have to still play.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: What did they say?
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: For this reason, we are allowing players to play with
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the pre random version of the cards for now, you
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: know you should and then like you have to disclose
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: to your opponent.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: But at the same point, like you know.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well, right, you play with the physical cards, but like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: still the ruling is the same, like you can't still
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: use the card, right right, So yeah, I'll read that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's a little blurb. But since print on demand as
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a service is not available yet, there's currently no way
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to play in paper with post rodom versions of the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: card impacted by the decision for this reason we are
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: allowing players to play with the pre Irodom version of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: their cards for now. If they do, when they play
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the card, they will be required and is close any
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: changes to the hard to their opponent and allow them
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to access the information by scanning the card. So very
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: very easy, right, and then once print time demand comes,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: y'all can buy your new copies or however that's gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: if you even want to at this point, I don't know.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: At this point, maybe you're just Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: There were there were people that So we have this
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: conversation on like episode one or episode two where we
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: classified that there were two camps of people. The camp
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that most of us on the cast were was they
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: are changing Robin based on what they said, they just
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: don't know how yet. But there was another group of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: people that were like that we just said they ought
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't say there was like yeah, it was.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: It was not.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were outside.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: They were gonna do it, but they were thinking about it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And then there were there was absolutely someone in the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: discord that was like, I spent four hundred dollars on
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a Robin card last week. What the hell's like?
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: That is?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Like, why why would you do that knowing what was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and very problem.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard to have sympathy when you know
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: four hundred dollars could go a long way for a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: lot of people.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Be more of a benefit than one guard fours. It's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like almost that's a little that's a little under half
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: my rent.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to say it, but.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: The timeline to kind of bring it back on point.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: They also already took feedback. They're like, Okay, we understand
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: we acted too fast this time, so next time this happens,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: we got it. We got your feedback. But there was
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: also leading up to this a ton of complaints about
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: how they hadn't announced what was happening with Robin. Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: but knowing everything that goes on on how they change
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: it and getting ready for that and then having it
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: go pretty dang smooth once they announced its awesome. They
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: had to change all the cards on digital, all the uniques,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and then they had to make sure it got over
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to BGA correctly.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And see this decision was very well.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're like, I have a tournament on Sunday
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and you guys only gave us twenty four hours notice,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and now I can't.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Play any any kind of timeline people would complain about, like, yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: we're going to complain to complain, that's that's how the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: world works.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And that's just they could have given three months.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: That is, you had your time in the sun. Aw,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you had your time to shine, right, you got you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: got to kick around, kick around the plebeians for like
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a month and a half two months. Aw, Now you
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have to slum it like the rest of us and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: play fair. Aw don't I don't feel.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just to me, Yeah, it seems like a
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: lack of wanting to figure something out or try, Like
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you copied a deck list and we're going to take
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it to a tournament and that deck list that you
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: just copied from somewhere doesn't work as well for the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: tournament anymore, which I mean honestly, like I'm not the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: most competitive player. I'm not the best player on the
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: cast by far, But that just tells me that you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: also aren't really willing to put in the time and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: thought to be super competitive.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, and with most CCGs, that's kind
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of I hate to say this, that's kind of the uh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the status quo, go get deck from online by cards,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: build deck. I mean that's what I did. I ain't
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: gonna lie to Ale. Yeah that's what I did. I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just you know, we were I was still in the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: middle of a totally different game season and was focused there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: So yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. You know.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: The net decking is has and will all continue to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: exist for card games, like you said, forever, and it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: just it is what it is.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I obviously do whatever you want,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: build whatever you want. But that is really the only
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: reason that's an issue is because you did that and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: now you have three days to change your deck. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know because to me, it's like it's three cards.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe you're uniques that you have to swap out. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: if you if you aren't thinking about those kind of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: things ahead of time, maybe you weren't going to place
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: top four anyways.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Especially when they foreshadowed that they're weird. They were at
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: some point going to change something like Zee and I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: have been talking this about this for a month, like
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: how would we change the deck, because regardless of how
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Robin's gonna get changed, it's going to get you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: nerved at some point, whether it was bureaucracy gone or whatever. Right,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: we have talked about what are our options, and we
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: listed out the various options that we and you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: right now like our deck, he renamed it r I P.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Robin because you know, it's not it's no longer will
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: of the people, but it is it is now lacking
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: robin hood and you know, it remains to be seen
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: how it's going to balance out.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the curve on this new deck and some
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of the tools in it are is still amazing looking
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: just looking at the you know, little page here for
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the deck. Mm uh, did you want to talk about
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: because you mentioned a little bit about the suggested changes there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I spend a lot of.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Time because they do talk about it, and I do
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: feel like this is something that needs to be stated
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: because they were quite comprehensive on this, right. So yes, yes,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Slow and steady wins the race. When a problem seems
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to arise, players often feel it is crucial to address
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible, especially when they believe they
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: know the ideal solution. We two share this in patience.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We're also players, after all, so they address that. However,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to address things properly, it is essential to follow the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: follow a few keys. I mean, this wasn't like just
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of both. This is five bullet points and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: they're well thought out. First, we need to determine whether
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it's a rules issue or a balancing issue, then confirm
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the problem. This is usually involves increasing the number of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: test games and analyzing the available data. If it's a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: balancing issue, is it possible that players simply haven't discovered
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a counter strategy, though one may exist. We also need
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to track community sentiment on the issue. Sometimes unforeseen situations
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: arise and the community expresses a preference for keeping a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: cart as it is rather than fixing it. Another factor
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to consider is also the potential impact of a problem
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in relation to future sets. A card impact maybe less
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: significant over time as new cards are introduced, or conversely,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: it may become stronger. Finally, we need to explore solutions
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and test them, which can take several weeks. On top
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of this, there's a technical implementation to consider. Due to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the digital nature of our game. It is connected to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: BGA modifying thousands of card carries risks for the database,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: so any changes need to be carefully tested. So as
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: this wasn't like a fly by night, like oh, we're
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just going to do this, and like they thought about this.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: The one thing that did kind of catch my eye
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: when when reading about it is where was it? If
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it is a balancing issue, is it possible that players
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: simply haven't discovered a counter strategy yet though one may
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: not exist. And another factor to consider is the potential
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: impact of a problem in relation to future sets. A
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: card that impact. A card's impact may be less significant
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: over time as new cards are introduced, or conversely, it
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: may become stronger. So this just tells me they did
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: not have a plan for Robin Hood and Set two.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a fair Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they already said that, like when they
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: released Set one or you know, the yeah beyond the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: gates that sets two, three, and four were already kind
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of planned.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Out right, Yeah, as they typically are in mostcgs, Like
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you normally are working a number of sets in advance.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that a good I mean I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: can't speak for every single person on the team, but
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of them play a ton of
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: altered So people are like, how did they not see
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: this in testing? Well, one, they kind of already admitted
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: we did see a little bit. But two, Like, as
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I keep telling people, you can only test so much
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: with the brains you have, and then once other people
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: get their hands on it, it can just go places
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you've never imagined. So yeah, I think all of these
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: bullet points are super super good.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's well put too, like you, within within
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: a small testing group, however large it is, whatever it
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: could be. You know, unless it is the public populace
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: at large that is going to play the game, there
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: will be a number of people that will not see
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: certain things about certain cards, right that I've seen that
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: happen in many, many different card games.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: You don't understand how the impact, how that impact is
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: going to affect the larger met at a place, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: so then the set gets released, things start to shake out,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: and then the cards designers goes, oh wow, that that
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: is a problem because somebody came up with this really
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: unique broken mechanic test or you know, or set of cards. Right,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: testing is not going to find everything like that. That's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: just that's just how it goes. And you know, they
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: they did, to their credit, they solves a problem. They
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: addressed it. I think they spoke very clearly about everything
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: that they went you know, that they thought about in
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the different possibilities that they could have done, and they
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: were very at least from this article, it seemed very
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: transparent about all.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Those things, which I appreciate. Yep.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And now it's also sparked because there were some other
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: small changes that people noticed and to us, like Zach,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you and I were talking about it, they weren't that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: big of a deal, but people are like, why did
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: you not say anything about this change or this change?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And so that, and this did spark the fact that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: they're going to continue to do more articles like this
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that call out any change that's been made and like
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: kind of how it is now. And there's already a
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: new article up with a whole list of very small changes.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: But they're they're really aiming to be very clear and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: thorough with all of their communication on rule changes.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Were there any actual rule changes that happened in that
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: newest article or was it just clarification?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I'll be honest, I haven't had as much
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: time to digest it. And some of them technically came
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: out in one point one of the comprehensive rules, which
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I've kind of been sorting through to prepare for something
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about later. Packs Unplugged but I think the
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: biggest one is I'll just pull up the so it's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: rules and ruling updates November. I think the biggest one was, uh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it might not even actually be in this one because
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it was so long ago. It was it was a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: targeting thing. But the all in lyra, yeah there's I mean,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this this article.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Is is which I did not know. I thought then
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: rollo dice, but now it's good to know that I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: pick a target.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I think the one that stood out to me the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: most was just it was really just a wording change
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: about things like we can use their first one here
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: at the top of the list, a cappella training question,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Can I split? Can I play a spell if there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: no valid target, which has always been in the rules,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yes you can. It wasn't as clear that if you
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have one of your own characters that is a valid target,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you have to target one of your own cards. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: so that was that was an update a lot of
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: people didn't understand. And then enough how tough Works kind
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of got a little bit better of a description. But
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: other than that, as far as I know, it's just
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: kind of clarifications. But people saw the clarification changing on
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the card and cards actually, if you click in on
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: them and they've had a clarification or rules update, it
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: will say it in the like I just pulled up
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: ogun random yeah yeah, yeah, question.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So it'll have a it'll have a play by play
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of what's changed on any card that has had them.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So people that were just clicking around noticed it, but
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they hadn't like publicly announced it. So now every month
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: they're going to put out an article like this that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: will uh, just list all of the clarifications like that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: That definitely cool.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that one one thing about the article, And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I think a big part of this that people don't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: understand is when they're like, oh, why doesn't the card
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: just say this or say that. If a card text
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: exists in altered that means a unique can have it. Yes,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And a big reason that Robin Hood's entire text needed
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to be changed is because of uniques. And I think
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: uniques are a net positive. I really enjoy seeing them,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: even if they're played against me. So for the text
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to not show up and not create those double text uniques,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the text itself had to be changed. Bureaucrat change any
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of that would not have solved the problem.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say they addressed that with five different
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: points about they think about the various different solutions that
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: they were going to try. So again, I thought they
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: did a very cool job with that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking out loud again here, I guess we can
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: go into the market updates, real quick search here. So
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: let's see a box of beyond the gates right now,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: we're running ninety bucks. I think, I don't know, I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was last week. I'm not gonna
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: lie to nobody. I wasn't think it was was in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a mid as or it was a close eighty nine
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, and then the Kickstarter version for
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: being on the gates. Now, the cheapest one I see
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: is at one.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Which is I think there was a couple of boxes
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: left at one fifty, and then I jumped up to
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: like one ninety or something.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Last the next one I see is one seventy five.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: That's the next one I see. All right, let's move
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: into the exciting portion packs unplugged.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk a lot
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: for a moment. I'm gonna try to get through this
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: as quickly as possible. We're not going to spend any
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: time on Altered Corner events or Texas events once again,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: just join the discord. Everything that we do will be
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in there. But Packs Unplugged, So first Packs kind of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: dropped the ball. The descriptions and the titles for the
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: events were supposed to be added I don't know two
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: months ago, and the titles were just copied from gen Con.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: So the team submitted the new titles to get that fixed,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: but then they left the old description, so it was
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the right title the wrong description. So if you are
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: listening to this the Packs Unplugged website, I am pretty
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: sure because I have not seen them say that it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: been corrected. Is still not up to date on what
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the events actually are. So Altered put out a news
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: article on the website breaking down the Packs Unplugged events.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: So the PAX is in Philadelphia December sixth through the eighth,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and there will be a booth in thirty seven A
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in the TCG Zone Gaming Hall D so there will
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: be promo cards a limited edition Philadelphia twenty twenty four
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: play Matt. I will pause now for everyone to h
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: and ooh about how great this playmat is. Where's this
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: it is will you not seeing it?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Then this is the first time I've seen it, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I'm actually ills or anyway to shoot get any one
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of these because I the bureaucracy. Everything is just looking
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: very I like the princes in there. So it's a
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: talk is back there like this, this is great, this
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: is awesome.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Say I must say, yes, it's holy shit. No, this
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: is this is altered.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: That is very cool, very good art.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Are the promos anything different or no.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Prom those are the regular promos. Yeah, so the promos
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: are going to be the same twenty twenty four promos,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: which are subash at Saudi Arak Rin, Jario and Lindaway.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: There are going to be things that have not been
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: given away yet that will get to throughout this article.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: The playmat, so I guess I guess I should say
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I will be at packs unplugged. I will not be
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: attending as a pavilion. I will actually be a judge.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I have already been offered very mini bribes to get
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: someone a playmat, so.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I have also I see that I'm behind.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I have all brand game.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say I've been promised, but I've
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: been told there should not be an issue with the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: staff getting a playmat.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: So.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: It says they only have a select view, so maximized
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: chances take on this very exclusive prize.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: But I guess it's only a new Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: No, the staff is actually very small compared to what
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: it was at gen Con. We have one head judge,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I think three or four floor judges, and then like
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a reservations person. And that's like it at gen Con.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: It was not a promise that we could get the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Muna mat, but we ended up being very lucky to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: take one home because there were some leftover.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: So I do have the gen Con Matt.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: It is equally as great. I hate artists. This Playmatt,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I might keep for myself.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: We'll see, so I.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Don't know, we'll see. We'll see how the bribes get.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Before before it goes away out of your hands, please
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: let me have a chance to counter anything that you
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: may have received, because that is a banging play, Matt, I,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: that is nice.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: While while I tell everyone how you can maybe obtain this,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: if any of you want to see if there's any
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of the gen Con ones on eBay. I think last
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I heard they were going for over three hundred dollars. Oh,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: so there's going to be the usual scavenger hunt hunt
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: for Loki Knocks, the community manager throughout the event hall.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: If you find him in the scavenger hunt, he'll give
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: you a It's actually a specific ric Root card as well.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I have one their numbered, so I think whenever they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: retire that system, there'll probably only be like two hundred
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: three hundred. Maybe be a finalist in any Hero's Journey event,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: which we'll go over here in a minute. Win a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: game against Loki Knox and Yo the Lyra boss in
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a boss battle. You can look up the boss card
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: in the Altered Discord. It's been posted a couple of times,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: but it's basically just a very cracked hero card and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: answer trivia on social media. They did this for gen
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Con for people who weren't able to attend. I believe
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: they gave away a very small amount over social media,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: but it was possible.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Now the events for people who will be there, Like
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I said, I'll be there, there will be two cosplayers
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: in costume. I will not spoil who they are going
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to be, but it will be Lewis Stardust and Anna Margaret.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I say they're writing the article. I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: don't think you're spoiling anything. No, you don't know their.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I do, but I won't spoil it, aren't you special?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Loki Loki will be there the community manager, and Justin Parnell,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the OPI manager, will be there and doing certain events
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: so events. There will be the Boss battle, which we
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: already kind of mentioned, so I won't spend time with that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: Boss is overpowered.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Dexter is finally catching up as usual, Everyone meet Dexter
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: uh Influencer experience. The imaginary world is merging with one
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: of our own, and once more play a match against
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: heroes and characters from the Altered Universe come to life
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: special rewards in victory or defeat Loki nights, I will
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: for the listener's leak just a tiny bit.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Unique way to play Altered, where things have been added
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that do not exist in the game, just for the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: sake of volatile exploring in the Tumult. That'll be your
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: sneak peek from me learn to play Altered. They'll have
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: quick demos like they did at gen Con. Each participant
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: is rewarded with an exclusive promotional hero card, which is
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: what we talked about. The promo cards and this one
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is no registration needed, and if we do it the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: same as we did at gen Con. We usually tell
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: people you have to sit through and learn how to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: play the game, but if you've played a couple turns
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and you need to go somewhere else, that's fine.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Just let us know.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I can't promise that'll be that way because it's probably
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: up to each person. Some of the team is the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: same as gen Con, and we're all very nice, so.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: This is interesting because and people are magic players.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I actually bought Lewa at gen Con.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: So that is when they got introduced to the game
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and like the team and whatnot and really enjoyed it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: And they've kind of been playing and doing secret stuff
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: on the sidelines. Intel packs all the secret stuff. So
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the next thing is the standard challenge. Want to test
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: your skill and Altered and win some beyond the gates
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: booster packs. Standard challenge is three rounds for prizes using
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: their own constructed decks, so that's important you bring your
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: own constructed deck. Prizes will be awarded based on record,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and I will not list out all of the structure.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: You can go to the Altered website or hopefully packs
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Registration for the events will open December first at the latest.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I would keep your eyes.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Open on social media, sir, What are you doing for
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: the sixth to the ninth? I want to go to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: pasink that ship has sailed.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: For him December sixth or ninth.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not traveling. I'm not traveling.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I'd say money already.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this Lula's instagram and I don't think
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I can go.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: All right moving on.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: For heavily tattooed women. So I don't want to put
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a bad taste if his mouth for Altered Corner.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Price structure for this event is if you go three
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and zero, you get nine packs plus a ten dollars
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Altered Event Voucher two and one is six packs. One
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and two is three packs, and all players receive a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: promo card. And then there is the Booster Draft, which
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: is single elimination. You receive four packs of Beyond the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Gates and Draft in a pot of eight. I will
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: just say, if you have not drafted Altered, it is
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: incredibly fun.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: To do a draft for Altered.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: It is fun.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It is a lot of people's favorite way to play it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: There is a way to do it online, and I'm
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: going to maybe at some point schedule something do it. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So that one is one that's probably going to sell
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: out incredibly fast. So like I said, just watch out
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: for when they go live. That's the best I can
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: tell you. And then you'll receive a promo and prizes
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Hero's Journey Standard. This is where players
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: will compete over six rounds of Swiss before moving on
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: to a single elimination bracket for top eight. Prizes will
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: be awarded based on record, So there's a point system
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: here for Swiss that you can read. The prize structure though,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: this is where there are going to be things that
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I said, have not seen before. Prize structure for this
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: event first place, never before seen Trial by Frost, oversized card,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and the exclusive packs twenty twenty four altered playmat plus
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: thirty six packs. So we know if it's going to
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: be one that's already spoiled, or could it be a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: new one.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Net exter exter.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, he doesn't understand how these things work, so you might.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Have never before.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, I see, Sean, words are hard listening.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. It's Okay, it's okay, I got it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: It's a new one cool, Yes, got it, Yes, it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's all. It's all love here. Second place you get
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the play mat and twenty four packs. Third and fourth
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: is twenty four packs, Fifth and eighth is twelve packs.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Players with the same record as the player in eighth
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: place after round six twelve packs. Ninth through sixteenth six packs,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and the top finishing player for each faction will receive
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: an Expedition Captain reward. I believe that's also something we've
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: never seen. And then all participants get a promo card.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: They are doing a multiplayer event. It's kind of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: same Swiss where there's points and everything, and then the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: ice structure is kind of the same. But since it's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: a team its first place team gets two never before
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: seen Trial by Frost oversized cards, two exclusive play mats,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: forty eight packs, and then just go down the line
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, times everything by two basically.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And that so these promo all I mean, are these
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: are they alternate arts? What are they? Typically?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Uh so, if you pull up the article, they are
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: at the very top, but they are full of cards.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: If you if you like we've been getting them from
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: our local and it's it's a full yep, just a
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: full art hero Hero card, no text, but a little
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: bit different to just full art, so there's a little partialeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And that's the I My fear whenever I hear promo right,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is always like, oh, these are going to be promo
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: cards that you can only get at these certain places,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: because lots of card games have tested that theory and
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: they all fail miserably. So it's good to hear. Yes,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: they already are not cards, just differently.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: They are not mechanically unique, and they, from what I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: have seen, do a better job at giving as many
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: chances as possible to get these promos compared to others.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Lorcana had some errata where they changed some squirrel and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the only way you could get the new card was
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: by playing in like this one event that's gonna go
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: away forever after like a weekend.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, that's that's always my fear. Like, man, when
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I played DBZ, like there was promo cards coming out
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: of everywhere, and like, I mean, you were getting them
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: in oh what was the shown in Jump had promo
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: cards and then certain tournaments had promo cards and I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: was like, there was so many promo and they were
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: all met irrelevant. It's just possible able to like keep
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: up with the amount of money you had to shell
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: out for these things, and it'd be it was a yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: it was a it was an issue. But I'm glad
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to hear that these are the o They're already known.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: They're just you know, different arts, different, that's different that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: that's that is the correct way to do promo cards.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the easiest way to get them is the organized playpacks.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: But I think there's like a extremely small chance to
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: get them in other packs. I could I could be wrong.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's only in the Kickstarter Yeah, I'm pretty
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: sure that's the only place. So we we we got
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: a couple of them. We actually got in one of ours,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: a twenty twenty three promo card.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, those those are the pricey ones.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: That one. That one surprised us.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I sold my set twenty twenty three for
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: So I mean then you could afford two unique Robinhoods. Well,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: now you can probably afford to like fifty.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: But seventy of them. Yeah, it was so uh maybe,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, maybe one day I'll tell my journey.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: But I did not back the Kickstarter. I couldn't. Uh
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: so selling those is what got me my one and
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: only Kickstarter box, so it was worth it in the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: long run. But I will say, if you listen to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: this podcast and you can find me at PAX, you
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I will help you, to the best of my ability
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to get all six of these if you don't already
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: have them.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I will not be at packs. Well maybe I will.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe No, I won't be at packs. I've already made
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a decision and I got to stick with it. I gotta.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I do have a couple extra, so you know, yeah,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: I do have extra for me.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: So if I have to dip into my my own personal.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Extra, just travel to Minnesota and Pennsylvania is a bridge
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: too far. It's like the same distance, right, probably maybe
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: But is going to be the same.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Dexter doesn't work, so like any kind of that's just extravagant.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So like like, hey there's a.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Thing, No they aren't.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: I've paid for myself for all of KFC.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: He sells pills on campus anyway.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, out the secrets man, his his darm person what
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: do they call it?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: The t a already.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that the knock in his dark?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to I'm trying to think if there's
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: anything else that I know that would be beneficial to
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: say about pack Unplugged.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I've been to pack some plugged.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: It's even if you're just going you're not going for
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Altered like, it is a good time. There's lots of
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: stuff to go and see. So we'll we'll get that
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: that report from Unplugged when you do come back.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: If you walk up to me and say, hey, I
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: listened to the episode, I will try to get.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Well, there you go.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: That's not true. I had a lot of people come
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: up to me this past weekend and be like, hey,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I listened to your show, and then they had terrible
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: things to say afterward.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that about covers. It just pay
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: attention to the social media. If you want a leg
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: up on getting the play mat or getting registered for events,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: follow Altered on Instagram and Twitter, and then join the
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: main discord. I pay way too much attention to the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: main discord, So if you have questions, just let me know.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I'll help the best I can.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: So I have so many questions, but we are running
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: into our time bubble here. We are hitting at our mark,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: So I think now is a good time to wrap up.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Make sure you guys head over to the Patreon Patreon
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: dot com forward slash Altered Corner. Once we get enough people,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: we're doing what the box tournament or something like that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: This is where we need Z because he's the one
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: who plans all these things.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I was about to make a very terrible joke, but
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: instead I will say in December, we are going to
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: do a win a box tournament, and I believe from
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: what Ze said, it will be for the three dollars tier.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And if there's only ten three dollars tier people by
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: December when we do it, you'll have a very good
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: chance at winning a retail box.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Now I want to hear that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, you gotta say they Okay.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Well just to say win your mom's box.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Anyways, You hear that, Dexter, You hear that Dexter?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: All right. Season two of ACE will be starting on
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: December twenty third, sixth six point thirty Central Standard time.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: You can join our discord the Altered Corner discord to
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: find out more information about that. Make sure you follow
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: us on all the social media's X or Twitter? What
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: do we call it now? It's so confusing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I still call it Twitter.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I still call it twitter too, Twitter dot com, forward,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: slash at altered is it at at altered Corner? We
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: have a Facebook yet? Who's in charge of that?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I told everyone I would not do Facebook, but I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: will do everything else. So no Facebook but altered corner
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: dot com?
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, follow us on porn hub at altered Corner. Oh yep,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: not yeah, okay, perfect, I will at altered cord.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Actually, you know what I can. I was going to say,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I will legitimately upload my cast of the AS Championship.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I can't because that website is blocked in Texas.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: So okay, that's a conversation for an other day. I'll
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: join us next week to find out why porn hubs
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: blocked in Texas.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Next, go ahead and tell us why?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: What about only fans? Can we have an only fans?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: We'll have to figure that out.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, Twitch, We're over on twitch somewhere.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yes corner. I will be streaming every Tuesday as often
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: as I can.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: So all right, and for that, It's gonna do it
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: for us this week. We'll see y'all next weeks. Looking
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: me up by not powerized.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: When the creature becomes.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Alive, of the lucy.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Could to be honest, I could be human.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I could become myself a bubbling in
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: These great things.