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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 17-19) (4/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to continue along with the
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Glaine Maxwell deposition as we continue to wait for the
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new unsealed documents to drop. So with that said, let's
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just dive right back in. McCauley, did you authorize redacted
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to issue that statement on your behalf in January of
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twenty fifteen, Maxwell, I already testified that that was done
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by my lawyers, McCauley, So did you authorize your lawyers
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to issue a statement on your behalf through or redacted in
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January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell, It was determined that I
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had to make a statement in the United Kingdom because
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of the appalling lies, and I just thought of some
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new ones. Virginia's statement that I celebrated her sixteenth birthday
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with her, We can all agree that that's entirely impossible.
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I didn't meet her until she was seventeen, and other
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lies she perpetrates that she had a diary, and we
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all know that is a complete fake. That's not a diary.
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It was just a book she was writing that you
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all helped her sell to the press as if it
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was a diary. Then it was just a story that
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she is writing for fiction, fictional story for money. McCauley,
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how did you arrive at the words that were put
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in that statement? Pagliuca, I'm going to object and instruct
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you to the extent this calls for any privileged communications
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between yourself and redacted or another lawyer representing you. We're
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asserting privilege. If you can answer that without that, feel
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free to answer. McCauley. So what your counsel is saying,
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and I will exclude any privileged communications you had with
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your lawyers. The question is, how did you arrive at
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the words that were put in that statement? If you
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can tell me without disclosing privileged communications, Maxwell, I'm not
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sure that i can. McCauley. Is that statement that you
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issued true? Maxwell? What do you mean by that, McCauley.
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Is that statement that you issued, the statement that's in
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front of you, Is it a truth statement? Maxwell? As
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in that Virginia is a liar. McCauley, the words you
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put in there? Is that true? Maxwell? Of course they're true. McCauley.
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When did you become aware that the statement was being released? Maxwell?
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I don't recollect exactly. McCauley. What day, was it? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
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I'm sorry. Did you identify I might not have caught it.
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Did you identify the name of the lawyer that you
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said you retained for the purpose of this statement? Maxwell,
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I think redacted? McCauley. Did you pay that lawyer? Redacted? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley.
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Are you aware of any interstate or international transportation of
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a woman aged eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes
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of prostitution? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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I'm not even sure I understand your question. McCauley, I'll
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go slower. Are you aware of any interstate meaning between states,
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or international meaning overseas transportation of women age d Eighteen
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to twenty eight for the purpose of prostitution? Mister Pagliuka
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objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell? Are you asking?
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I'm still not sure I understand the question. McCauley. Well,
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I'll try to make it clear. I'm asking you if
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you are aware of any interstate meaning between states or
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international transportation meaning flight or by car or by train
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of women age d eighteen to twenty eight. Their ages
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are between the ages of eighteen and twenty eight for
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the purposes of prostitution, mister Pagliuka, objection to the Form
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and Foundation. Maxwell. In the world, I'm sure that that happens.
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I read about it all the time, McAuley. Not in
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the world. Are you aware of it in your experience
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with Jeffrey Epstein, of any interstate or international transportation of
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women age eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes of prostitution?
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Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell. So,
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whilst I appreciate this might not seem like a smart question,
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what do you mean by prostitution? What are you asking
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me exactly, McCauley. That would be sex for hire, any
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kind of sexual act that's paid for. Mister Pakliuka, objection
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to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell. Who's paying What are
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you asking me, McCauley. It can be paid for by anybody.
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It's a sexual act that's paid for. I'm asking if
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you are aware of any interstate or international transportation of
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women age d eighteen to twenty eight for the purpose
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of prostitution. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley, So
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you're not aware of that, Maxwell, No, and just interject.
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Let's remember that Glenn Maxwell got nailed for exactly this thing,
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and she is also in trouble for lying during this deposition.
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So keep that in mind. Keep that in mind when
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we're going through this and she's firing off all of
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her nonsense, especially considering we have hindsight to guide us. Right,
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we're looking at this in context now, and we know
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exactly what Maxwell was up to, what she was convicted of,
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so it makes reading her lies here even that much
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more disgusting. McCauley, are you aware of any interstate or
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international transportation of women aged eighteen to twenty eight for
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the purposes of having sex with Epstein where they would
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receive compensation of any type? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know what you're
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referring to. McCauley. Do you want me to repeat the question? Maxwell? Sure,
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go ahead. McCauley. Are you aware of any interstate or
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international transportation of women eighteen to twenty eight for the
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purpose of having sex with Jeffrey Epstein where they would
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receive compensation of any type? Pakluka object to the form
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and the Foundation. Maxwell, I'm not aware of what you
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are talking about. McCauley. Are you aware of any interstate
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or international transportation of women age daighteen to twenty eight
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for the purposes of providing a massage to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, So
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I need you to repeat the question for me. McCauley, sure,
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Are you aware of any interstate, meaning between states, or
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international overseas transportation of women age DA eighteen to twenty
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eight for the purposes of providing massage for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
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I think we can agree he did travel from time
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to time with a professional adult messuse. McCauley, are you
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aware of any interstate or international transportation of women age
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eighteen to twenty eight for the purposes of providing a
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massage to any person other than Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, again, I'm
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not aware of anybody that. If you're asking for specifics
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to someone else, I have no knowledge of that. McAuley.
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So you are not aware of any interstate or international
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transportation of a woman age eighteen to twenty eight for
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the purposes of providing a massage to any person other
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than Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and
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the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall what any single person
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being on a plane for a massage with someone else
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other than Jeffrey for the sole purpose. If that's a question,
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I don't have any recollection of that, McCauley. Earlier in
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your testimony, you stated that Virginia Roberts was seventeen at
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the time that you met her. How do you know
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that she was seventeen? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form
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and the foundation, and to the extent that calls for
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a privileged response, I'm instructing you not to answer, McCauley.
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How do you know Virginia Roberts was seventeen at the
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time you met her, Mister Pagliuca, Again, if you learn
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that information from your lawyer, I'm instructing you not to answer. Maxwell.
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I will follow my counsel's advice. McCauley, are you able
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to answer that question without telling me information you learn
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from a lawyer? Maxwell I'm not McCauley, So you don't
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have independent knowledge that Virginia, according to your statement, was
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seventeen at the time that you met her. Maxwell, Again,
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my lawyer has instructed me not to answer. McCauley, I'm
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asking you a different question, whether you have any independent
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knowledge outside your lawyers, that Virginia was seventeen at the
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time that you met her. Maxwell, following the instructions of
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my lawyers, I can only remember to or testify to
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what she Pagliuka interrupts. She is asking you a different question.
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She's asking other than what you're lawyers have told you.
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Do you have any knowledge about her being seventeen? That's
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what she's asking Maxwell. I can't recollect where I got
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all the information that I have definitively shows that. McCauley,
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earlier in your testimony, I believe you said all of
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us would know that Virginia was seventeen at the time
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you met her. How would we know that, Maxwell, I
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think you know that by her own dates now that
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it was in two thousand. So her entire tale of
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me celebrating her sixteenth birthday is clearly another giant falsehood. McCauley,
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But she was sixteen and seventeen that year, wasn't she? Maxwell?
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Which year McCauley you said it was two thousand? Maxwell.
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I think the information that I have that indicates that
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definitively with something that is privileged, So I can't share
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that with you. McCauley. So you have privileged information that
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definitively tells you that she was seventeen at the time
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that you met her. Maxwell, I believe that I do, McCauley.
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How would we know that, Maxwell? What are you asking me? McCauley.
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Earlier today you testified that we would know that she
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was seventeen at the time that you met her. How
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would we know that? Maxwell? I imagine you have access
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to exactly the same information that I have. McCauley. What
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is that information? Maxwell? Again, it's privileged. I can't share
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it with you. But you have been on this case
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for I don't know much longer than I have, and
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I imagine you have all the information that I do. McCauley.
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Do you know whether your lawyers have produced documents from
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you that would show the age that Virginia was at
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the time that you met her, Mister Pagliuca, to the
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extent that calls for a communication that you had with
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one of your lawyers. I'm instructing you not to answer
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that question. McCauley. I assume you, as part of the
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discovery process, had to collect documents that were relevant to
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this action. Is that correct, Maxwell? I did McCauley, did
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you collect documents that would show that Virginia was seventeen
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at the time that you met her? Maxwell? I think
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you have everything that you have asked for that I
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have that relates to that. McCauley, did you have a
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document that identified that Virginia was seventeen at the time
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that you met her? Maxwell, you have all the documents
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that I had, McCauley. I'm not asking what documents. I'm
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asking do you have a document that identifies Virginia being
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seventeen at the time that you met her? Maxwell? You
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have every document that I have. You have seen every
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document that I have. McCauley. That's not what I'm asking Maxwell.
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I don't recall every document that I gave you, so
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I don't know. I would have to look at every
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single document that I gave you and then review it.
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But as I recall, you have every document that I
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have McCauley, what are you planning to show the jury
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that will prove that Virginia was seventeen when you met her? Max, Well, again,
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that's privileged, so I can't share it with you, McCauley.
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If you're showing the jury, it wouldn't be privileged. So
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is there a document you have produced in this matter
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that shows that Virginia was seventeen at the time that
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you met her? Mister Pagliuca, she answered that question already,
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She said, she doesn't know. She has given you everything.
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If there is a decision, assuming for the moment that
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there is such a document, just hypothetically, and assuming for
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the moment that it is going to get produced somewhere,
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if it hadn't already been produced, obviously, that would involve
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a waiver, a future waiver of the privilege. I think
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that's the answer to the question, McCauley. Has the document
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been produced? Do you know? Maxwell? You have everything that
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I have given you, So if you can't, if it's
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not in those documents, I don't know what to tell you. McCauley.
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Your lawyers haven't withheld documents Maxwell. They're right here. You
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can ask them. McCauley I'm asking you, Maxwell, I don't
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know what they're lawyers. McCauley. When we were talking talking
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earlier about redacted, I ask you whether you had ever
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given him a gift of a puppet. So we're talking
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about Prince Andrew here, so everybody is following along. Did
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you ever not as a gift? Did you ever see
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in the presence of Prince Andrew, which is redacted, a puppet?
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Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell,
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can you be more direct, please, McCauley. Sure, Were you
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ever in a room with redacted where there was a puppet,
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mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell?
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Can you be more specific, please? And can you bound
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it by time and be more specific whatever you were
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actually asking me, McCauley, were you ever in a room
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with redacted Prince Andrew in New York, in Jeffrey Epstein's
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home where there was a puppet, mister Pakliuka objection to
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the form and the Foundation? Maxwell? What sort of puppet
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are you asking me, McCauley, Any kind of puppet? Maxwell?
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You need to be more descriptive. I don't know what
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you mean by puppet. There is hand puppets, all sorts
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of puppets. McCauley, Is there any puppet you've ever seen
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in Jeffrey Epstein's home in the presence of redacted Prince
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Andrew Maxwell? Again, puppet? You know there is lots of
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types of puppets, McCauley. Any type of puppet Maxwell, If
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you want to give me a description of a puppet,
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I would be perhaps able to say, McCauley, any type
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of puppet Maxwell? Can you be more detailed, McCauley, have
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you ever seen a puppet in Jeffrey Epstein's home in
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the presence of redacted Maxwell? My understanding of a puppet
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is a small handheld item you have in a circus.
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I have never seen that, McAuley. Have you ever seen
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a puppet which is defined as a movable model of
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a person or animal that is used in entertainment and
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typically moved by strings or controlled from above or by
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a hand inside it. Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell. I have not seen a puppet
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that fits exactly that description. McCauley. Have you seen any
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puppet that fits that description? Mister Pakliuka objection to the
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form and the Foundation, Maxwell, can you reask the question please, McCauley, yes,
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have you seen any puppet that fits any description in
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the presence of redacted in Jeffrey Epstein's home. Mister Pagliuka
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I'm not
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aware of any small handheld puppet that was there. There
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was a puppet, not a puppet. There was a I
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don't know how I would really describe it. Really, I
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don't know how you would describe it. Not a puppet.
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I don't know how you would describe it. A characture
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of Prince Andrew that was in Jeffrey's home. McCauley, did
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you use that characterure to put the hand of that
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caricature on redacted's breast? Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form
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and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect. I recollect the puppet,
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but I don't recollect anything around the puppet. You characterize puppet.
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I characterize it as I don't know, as a characterization
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of redacted. McCauley recollect asking Virginia Roberts to sit on
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Redacted's lap with a puppet of redacted. Maxwell, I do
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not recollect that. McCauley, what do you remember about the
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puppet of Prince Andrew when you were in the presence
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of redacted, Virginia Roberts, and redacted, Mister Pagliuca Objection to
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the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't recollect the
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story as told by redacted or Virginia. I don't even
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know who. I remember the puppet of redacted, and I
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remember redacted, but I don't recall anything else around redacted. McCauley,
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did you give it to him? Maxwell? I did not McCauley.
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Who gave it to him? Maxwell, I don't think it
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was given to him at all. McCauley, did he bring it? Maxwell? No?
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Was it something that was at the house? Maxwell, As
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best as I could recollect, McCauley, was it something you
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saw at the house in advance of Redacted's arrival? Maxwell, again,
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I don't really I recollect the puppet. I recollect redacted.
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I don't recollect much else around the puppet. McCauley, was
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there a party going on at the house at the
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time you recollect the puppet? Mister Pakluka objection to the
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Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, you have to be way
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more specific, McCauley, do you remember you said you recollect
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the puppet, you recollect redacted being there. Do you recollect
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a party that was going on at the time of
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that interaction with redacted and the puppet, mister Pakluka objection
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to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't recollect
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the party. First of all, they weren't really parties. I
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don't recollect a party. I don't know what you mean
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by party in the context of that scenario. McCauley, who
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do you recollect being at home during the time redacted
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was there with this puppet, mister Pagluka objection to the
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form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I only recollect myself with redacted.
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I don't recollect anybody else. McCauley, you don't recollect Jeffrey
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Epstein being there. Maxwell, Actually, no, McCauley, you don't recollect
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redacted being there. Maxwell. No, McCauley, you don't recollect Virginia
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Roberts being there. Maxwell. No, McCauley, it was just you
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and redacted. Maxwell, I'm not saying it was just me
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and redacted. You were asking me, do you remember I
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only remember redacted. I remember redacted and the puppet, but
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I can't place the puppet and everybody else in the
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same context, the same timeframe. You are asking me. The
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next portion completely redacted and whatever it was. Pat Leuca
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objects to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. Typically there
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is no typical because there is no standard procedure, so
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I can't comment or testify to redact it. McCauley, do
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you remember him being at the house? Maxwell? Not specifically?
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And then right after that question they go on break.
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So we're gonna do the same. We're gonna break there
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and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
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left off. All of the information that goes with this
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episode can be found. I'm the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're going to continue along with the Glen Maxwell deposition
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and we're gonna pick up where we left off. McCauley,
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Miss Maxwell, during what time period I know you said,
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I believe you said you met Jeffrey in nineteen ninety
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one if I'm correct there, and you've known him through
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the present during what time period within those years would
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you say your relationship was the closest with Jeffrey. Pagliuca
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objection to the form and the Foundation Maxwell, What do
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you mean by close. Sorry, McCauley, I think earlier today
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you testified that at some point in time you considered
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yourself to be his girlfriend. Is that the closest you
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would say that your relationship was with him? And if so,
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what time period was that? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't think I said
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I was his girlfriend. I would like to think of
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myself as maybe. I don't think I sometime in the
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mid nineties, McCauley. How close was your relationship Maxwell? We
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were friendly, McCauley, without going into detail. Was your relationship
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with him intimate? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. When was the last
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time you had contact with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? What do
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you mean by contact, McCauley, either a phone call, or
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email or anything of that nature. Maxwell, As best as
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I can recollect, sometime last year, McCauley, So you haven't
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talked to him, like, for example, last week, you didn't
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talk to him. Maxwell, I did not, McCauley. How many
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times have you had either direct or indirect, meaning in
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the presence of him, or calling or emailing contact with
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Jeffrey Epstein? From December thirtieth twenty fourteen until now. Maxwell,
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I'm sorry. Can you just McCauley, either in person or
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by phone or by email from December thirtieth, twenty fourteen
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until present, Maxwell, I can't really characterize that, but not
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very much. There was a period when in January when
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you filed your whatever you filed where we spoke, and
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then since then not much at all. McCauley. Can you
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estimate how many emails you would have sent Jeffrey from
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the period of December thirtieth, twenty fourteen to the present, Maxwell,
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Not very many at all, McCauley, more than twenty. Maxwell.
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I really wouldn't be able to characterize it because it
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wouldn't be that many. I wouldn't know McCauley more than fifty. Maxwell.
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It would be on the lesser side, not on the
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more side. McCauley. Can you give me a number, Maxwell,
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I honestly couldn't. I would be guessing, McCauley, how many
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emails has Jeffrey sent you from the time period of
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December thirtieth, twenty fourteen to the present. Maxwell, I would
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say less emails, even less emails than I sent him. McCauley,
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more than twenty Maxwell, I would say on the lesser side, McCauley,
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less meaning ten. Maxwell. I can't really recall very little, McCauley.
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When you spoke with Jeffrey in January of twenty fifteen,
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what did he say to you? Maxwell? I really couldn't
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remember exactly what he said to me. McCauley. Did you
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talk about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? I'm sure we did, but
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I couldn't recall the exact conversation. McCauley. Does Jeffrey Epstein
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send you text messages? Maxwell? No? McCauley. Do you send
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him text messages? Maxwell? No, McCauley. How many phone calls
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have you had with Jeffrey Epstein since December thirtieth, twenty fourteen, Maxwell, again,
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very few, more than five, Maxwell, probably as many as
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the few emails that I would characterize, So just very few,
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I mean a small number. McCauley. Are you aware of
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any disagreement between your views about Virginia Roberts and Jeffrey's
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views about Virginia Roberts. Mister Pagliuca object to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell, I cannot speculate on his views.
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I can only testify on my own views. McCauley earlier,
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you went through the series of lies. Have you talked
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to Jeffrey about the lies and does he agree with you? Maxwell?
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I have discussed some of the issues with him, and
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I can't remember specifically which ones. I just don't recall.
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I'm sorry, McCauley. Do you recall him telling you that
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he didn't agree with you on any of those? Maxwell,
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I don't recall him saying that. McCauley, do you have
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a joint defense agreement with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I believe
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I do. McCauley, do you have a joint defense agreement
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with redacted? Maxwell? I don't believe I do. McCauley. Earlier
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today in your testimony, when I was asking you some questions,
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you said that you couldn't answer, but that Jeffrey Epstein
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could answer that question. Would Jeffrey Epstein be in a
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position to confirm or deny some of the obvious lies
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that we've discussed today, Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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and the foundation, Maxwell, I can't possibly testify to what
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Jeffrey could or would say. I can't speak for him, McCauley.
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Would Jeffrey be able to confirm or deny whether he
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had sex with Virginia Roberts. Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can't say what Jeffrey
24:18
would say. McCauley. Has he discussed that with you? Maxwell?
24:22
He is not McCauley. Would Jeffrey be able to confirm
24:26
or deny whether he had a sexual massage from Virginia
24:29
that first time she came to his mansion in Palm Beach.
24:32
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
24:37
I cannot speak for what he would say. I can
24:40
only speak for what I would say. So as I testified,
24:43
everything that she said about the first meeting didn't happen.
24:46
So McCauley, has he told you that everything about the
24:50
first meeting didn't happen? Maxwell? I know it didn't happen
24:53
because she put me in that room. McCauley, I understand,
24:57
you know, but as Jeffrey said, when you we are
25:00
talking about the obvious lies, oh yeah, that never happened.
25:04
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
25:09
I can't specifically recall that. I don't know, but he
25:12
has to agree with me because it didn't happen. McCauley,
25:15
Ken Jeffrey Epstein, would he be able to confirm or
25:18
deny whether he had sex with underage girls? Mister Pagliuca
25:23
objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't
25:27
testify to what Jeffrey would say, McCauley. Can Jeffrey confirm
25:32
or deny whether redacted was on Jeffrey's island? Mister Pagliuca
25:36
objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't
25:40
say what Jeffrey would say. I can only say what
25:43
I know to be true. Maxwell. Has Jeffrey talked to
25:47
you about the fact whether redacted was on his island? Maxwell,
25:51
As best as I can recollect, he said he was
25:53
not on the island. As best as I can recollect.
25:56
Can Jeffrey Epstein confirm whether he and Virginia rop Birds
26:00
were together in the presence of redacted? Mister Pacliuka objection
26:05
to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell, I can't speak to
26:09
what Jeffrey would say. McCauley. Has he talked to you
26:13
about Virginia Robert's statement that she was in the presence
26:16
of redacted? Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
26:22
I have not discussed individual presences with Virginia. That's not
26:26
I'm only concerned with what I know to be the
26:29
stuff about me. So my focus has always been the lies,
26:33
and the obvious lies is something I can personally attest to.
26:36
I cannot possibly talk for anything else. McCauley. Has Jeffrey
26:41
Epstein said to you anything along the lines of Virginia
26:44
is lying when she says she met redacted? Mister Pakluka
26:48
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, Again, I'm
26:53
not talking about what she says as regards to other people.
26:57
I can talk to the things as regards to me. McCauley,
27:00
I'm asking if Jeffrey ever said that to you. Maxwell.
27:04
I don't recollect specific conversations along those lines. McCauley. You
27:09
don't recollect him saying that to you, Maxwell, I don't
27:12
recollect him saying to me that Virginia didn't meet redacted.
27:15
I'm sure that wouldn't be a conversation that we would have.
27:18
It doesn't affect me whether so. I'm really only concerned
27:21
about the lies that were told as regards to me. McCauley.
27:26
Can Jeffrey Epstein confirm or deny whether you sent Virginia
27:29
to give a massage? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
27:33
and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't say what Jeffrey would say.
27:37
I can tell you I didn't. I can't tell you
27:40
what anybody else did. McCauley. Have you discussed him with
27:44
Virginia's allegations that she gave redacted a massage? Mister Pagliuka
27:49
objection to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I didn't
27:52
know she did say that. McCauley. Did you know whether
27:55
Jeffrey Epstein has ever sent anybody to Redacted to perform
28:00
a massage for him? Pagliuca objection to the form and
28:04
the Foundation. Maxwell. I couldn't possibly recollect whether he did
28:08
anything like that. McCauley. Did you ever send anybody, not Virginia,
28:13
anybody else over to Redacted's home for a massage? Maxwell? Not,
28:18
to the best of my knowledge. McCauley, do you know
28:21
one of Redacted's friends by the name of Redacted? Maxwell?
28:25
I do recollect a person of that name. McCauley, How
28:28
do you know her Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley. Did
28:32
you meet her through Jeffrey Maxwell? I don't recollect McCauley,
28:36
did you recall when you met her? Maxwell? I do
28:40
not recollect. McCauley. How many times have you seen redacted
28:43
in your life? Maxwell? The only reason I remember is
28:48
because it's an unusual name. But I couldn't tell you
28:50
anything else. McCauley, you didn't see her on a regular basis.
28:54
She wasn't one of your friends. Maxwell. No, McCauley was
28:58
redacted a massuse, Maxwell, not to my knowledge. McCauley. Do
29:03
you have knowledge of whether she had a sexual relationship
29:06
with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I have no knowledge of that, McCauley.
29:10
When was the last time you spoke with her? Maxwell? No,
29:13
very long. I don't know. I have no idea, McCauley.
29:16
Would it be yours? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, what do you
29:20
remember about redacted? Maxwell? Nothing really, McCauley, do you remember
29:24
what she looks like? Maxwell? I would just be speculating
29:28
on how I remember. I couldn't describe her. McCauley. Do
29:31
you recall traveling with her? Maxwell? I don't. McCauley, did
29:35
you ever go to her home? Maxwell? I don't believe
29:38
I did. McCauley, do you know where she lives? Maxwell?
29:41
I don't, McCauley. Would you have met her through Jeffrey Epstein,
29:46
mister Pagliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
29:51
I already testified, I don't recollect how I met her,
29:54
and I remember her because her name is very unusual. McCauley,
29:58
So what's your what recollection do you have of her?
30:02
Do you have a specific recollection of meeting her somewhere?
30:05
You just don't know when that was or how do
30:08
you know the name redacted? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
30:12
Form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I don't know why the
30:15
name is. I'm sorry, I can't. I have no idea.
30:18
I recognize the name, but that's it. McCauley was redacted
30:23
a massuse, mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell,
30:28
what are you asking me? Sorry, McCauley. When redacted worked
30:32
for Jeffrey Epstein, did she perform massages? Maxwell? I've testified
30:37
that when redacted came, originally she came to answer telephones.
30:41
I believe at some point she became a massuse. I
30:44
don't recollect when I personally had massages from redacted McCauley.
30:49
What did redacted do for Jeffrey Epstein. Did she perform
30:52
massages anything else? Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell.
30:59
When she came, she answered phones and at some point
31:02
I believe. I don't have any firm recollection, but I
31:04
believe she went to school to become a messuse and
31:08
I had massages from her. McCauley, did you ever have
31:11
any sexual interaction with her? Mister Pagliuca, object to the
31:15
form and the foundation, And I'm going to instruct you
31:18
if we're talking about any consensual adult contact, you are
31:22
not allowed to answer the question. McCauley, did you have
31:26
any sexual contact with her in the presence of Jeffrey Epstein.
31:30
Mister Pagliuca, same instruction. McCauley, did you have any sexual
31:35
contact with her in the presence of anybody other than
31:38
Jeffrey Epstein, Mister Pagliuca, sam instruction. McCauley, did you have
31:42
any sexual contact with her in the presence of anybody
31:45
other than Jeffrey Epstein? Pagliuca, same instruction, McCauley. How many
31:51
massages did you receive from her? Redacted? Maxwell? I really
31:55
don't recall, but a fair amount McCauley, did the massages
31:59
involve set? Mister Pakliuka, I'm going to instruct you not
32:03
to answer, McCauley, have you ever engaged in sex with
32:06
any female? Mister Pakliuka, I'm going to instruct you not
32:10
to answer. Miss McCauley. I want the record to reflect
32:13
that Miss Maxwell's attorney is directing her not to answer
32:16
this series of questions. To that, mister Pakluka responds, it
32:20
definitely does. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this
32:23
part right there, and in the next episode discussing the topic,
32:26
we'll pick up where we left off. All the information
32:30
that goes with this episode can be found in the
32:33
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
32:36
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking back up where
32:40
we left off with that Galain Maxwell deposition, So let's
32:45
just get right back to it. Considering how gigantic this
32:48
deposition is, we're talking about four hundred and sixty five
32:52
pages total, the good news. The good news is we're
32:55
on page three hundred and ten, so we're banging right
32:59
through it. So with that in mind, let's just stop
33:02
the chitter chatter here and dive right back into the content. McCauley,
33:08
Were you responsible for introducing redacted to Jeffrey Epstein? Mister
33:12
Pagliuca objection to forum and the Foundation. Maxwell, I already
33:17
testified that I don't really recall redacted. McCauley. Were you
33:22
responsible for introducing redacted to Jeffrey Epstein? Mister Pakliuka objection
33:28
to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Again, I don't
33:32
like the characterization of introduction redacted can't to answer telephones, McCauley,
33:38
when did you? Were you the person who brought or
33:41
introduced or met redacted for purposes of bringing her to
33:45
Jeffrey Epstein's home, Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
33:49
the Foundation. Maxwell. That's not how I would characterize that, McCauley.
33:55
How would you characterize it? Maxwell? I have testified that
33:58
I'm responsible for finding profession people to work in the
34:01
homes age appropriate adult people, so from pool attendance to gardeners,
34:06
to chefs, to housekeepers, to butler's to chauffeurs, and one
34:10
of the functions was to be able to answer the telephones.
34:13
And in the context of finding someone to answer the telephones,
34:17
I did look to try to find appropriate people to
34:20
answer the phones. McCauley, So did you find Johanna for
34:25
purposes of that role? Maxwell? So, in the course of
34:28
looking for somebody to answer phones at the house, Johanna
34:32
was one of the people who said that she was
34:34
willing to answer the phones. McCauley. Did you approach her
34:38
at her school campus? Mister Pakliyuka objection to form and foundation. Maxwell,
34:44
I honestly don't recall how in that moment how I
34:47
met redacted and how she came to get the job.
34:50
But McCauley, did you typically in your work for Jeffrey Epstein,
34:54
would you typically go to school campuses to try to
34:57
find individuals to work for Jeffrey Eppste Mister Pagliuca objection
35:02
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I never What
35:06
do you mean by school? Let's characterize school, McCauley. Any
35:10
kind of school, Maxwell, obviously not. I never went to
35:14
any school with young people. Redacted. I believe came from
35:18
an adult university, as I would know in England. So
35:21
university I went there, but I never went as I
35:24
best recollect anywhere else. And just to add on here,
35:28
remember Maria Farmer told us the same thing that Galley
35:31
Maxwell would go to the schools next Epstein's house to
35:34
bring girls to Epstein. So it's not just one person
35:38
telling us this. We have many, many people telling us
35:41
the same story over and over and over, time and
35:44
time again. McCauley, did you what university was it that
35:48
you went to? Maxwell? I don't recall the university that
35:51
she went to right now, McCauley, would you visit more
35:55
than one university to try to find individuals to work
35:57
for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, as I recollect, I think that's,
36:03
in fact the only university that I went to. McCauley,
36:06
did you go there more than once? Maxwell? I think
36:09
I went twice. McCauley, who did you find from that university?
36:13
Was there anybody other than redacted? Maxwell? I don't recollect.
36:17
I'm sorry, McCauley. We're going to mark this as Maxwell
36:22
thirteen Maxwell Exhibit thirteen documents marked for identification. McCauley. Can
36:28
you take a look at the document I put in
36:30
front of you, please? Are you familiar with this document? Maxwell?
36:35
I'm familiar with this actual document. McCauley. How is this
36:38
document created? Pac Luka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
36:44
I don't know how this document was created. McCauley, were
36:47
you ever involved in the creation of this document? Maxwell?
36:51
I think you can see from the date that it's
36:53
two thousand and four, two thousand and five, So no, McCauley,
36:56
you weren't involved in the creation of this document, did you.
37:00
We talked earlier about mister Epstein's house. I'm talking about
37:04
the Palm Beach house where you said there was a
37:06
computer on the desk that employees had access to. People
37:10
who work for Jeffrey Epstein may have had access to Maxwell.
37:14
I think anybody could have had access to that McCauley.
37:17
Was that computer used, if you know, to keep a
37:19
log of addresses and phone contact information for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
37:25
Are we talking about when this document was created? McCauley
37:29
in general? Was there on that computer during the time
37:32
that you were present with Jeffrey Epstein? Was there a
37:36
mechanism by which you kept electronic information of names and
37:40
addresses of individuals that he knew? Pagliuca objection to the
37:45
form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can't testify to what
37:49
was on that computer or not after I was gone, McCauley,
37:54
not when you were gone, when you were there. If
37:56
Jeffrey wanted to call, for example, say redacted, would someone
38:00
be able to go to that computer to pull up
38:02
the address information and phone contact information for that individual?
38:07
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
38:11
I couldn't possibly say, McCauley, did you ever have to
38:15
keep track of address or phone contact information for Jeffrey
38:18
Epstein Maxwell? That was not my job, McCauley. Did you
38:23
ever do it? Maxwell? I am not responsible for keeping
38:27
his numbers, so that wasn't my job at all, McCauley.
38:30
But did you ever do it? I know it's not
38:33
your job, but did you ever do it? Did you
38:35
ever keep phone contact information? Forum? Maxwell? During the course
38:40
of the time we were together, if he gave me
38:42
a telephone number, I would give it to an assistant
38:45
to put in the computer. I could do that, McCauley.
38:48
Would he ask you for contact information for different individuals
38:52
if he wanted to contact someone? Mister Pagliuka objection to
38:56
the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. In the course of
39:00
the long period of time when I was there, it
39:03
certainly would be possible for him to ask me for
39:05
a telephone number, And if I had, I wouldn't always
39:08
have it, but if I had it, I'm sure it happened. McCauley.
39:12
Was there a hard copy book in addition to the computer,
39:15
a hard copy book that you could look for numbers
39:17
that were relevant to Jeffrey Epstein's life and something on
39:21
the computer or was it just an electronic version? Mister
39:24
Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. McCauley. Was
39:29
there a hard copy book as well as something on
39:31
the computer or was there only electronic information on the
39:35
phone numbers? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
39:41
I can only testify to what I know, obviously, and
39:44
I believe that this is a copy of a stolen document.
39:47
I would love to know how you guys got it.
39:50
And what they're referring to here is the infamous Black Book.
39:53
That's what they're talking about in this exchange. McCauley. I'm asking,
39:58
during the time you work for Jeffrey Epstein, was there
40:01
a hard copy document of any kind that kept phone
40:03
numbers for Jeffrey Epstein if he needed to contact someone. Maxwell,
40:08
the stolen document that I have in front of me,
40:10
that you have is what you're referring to. McCauley. So
40:14
there was during your time when you were there, there
40:17
was no other you mentioned there was information on a computer.
40:21
Was there a hard copy document that you could refer
40:24
to to find someone's number? Maxwell, You have the stolen
40:28
document in front of you, McCauley. You had access to
40:31
this when you worked for Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell, this is
40:35
I believe the book that was stolen. That was the
40:37
hard copy of whatever was there, McCauley. So when you
40:41
were working for Jeffrey Epstein, you were able to access
40:44
this book, Maxwell, this book, if this is what this is,
40:47
I believe it was. This is the stolen document from
40:50
his house, McCauley, and you were able to access it
40:54
when you work for him. Maxwell. It was a document
40:57
that was printed that you could if you needed to
40:59
look for a number, McCauley. Do you know how this
41:02
book was created? Maxwell? No, which is a straight up lie.
41:06
By the way, Maxwell was the one who curated the
41:09
whole book, McCauley. When you referred to it a moment
41:13
ago to a stolen document. When Redacted turned this document
41:16
over to the FBI, are you aware he described it
41:19
as a document that came from your computer. Mister Pakliuka
41:24
objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have
41:27
no idea what he said or didn't say, So if
41:30
you want me to reference something he said, you need
41:32
to show it to me. McCauley. Did you keep this
41:35
document an electronic copy of it on your personal computer? Maxwell,
41:39
I don't recollect, McCauley. If you had to update something,
41:43
For example, if there was a new number, a new
41:45
individual that Jeffrey had hired that you were going to track,
41:48
would you input that information into this document on your computer?
41:53
Mister Pakliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
41:57
I've already testified that I'm not respond for updating and
42:01
keeping these records. McCauley. Did you have this document on
42:05
your computer? Your personal computer? Maxwell, I told you I
42:09
don't recollect having this document on my computer. McCauley, do
42:13
you know what computer this document was on? If more
42:15
than one, Maxwell, I'm sorry. This is a long time
42:18
ago and I don't recall exactly how this all was managed. McCauley.
42:23
If you didn't create this document, do you know who did?
42:26
Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
42:31
I don't McCauley, I'm going to direct your attention to
42:34
part of this document. It's towards the back. It's going
42:37
to be page ninety one, and it has Baits label
42:40
Robert zero zero one sixty sixty three. I'm going to
42:43
direct your attention to the section that says massage Florida.
42:47
Did you input any of the names or numbers under
42:49
that section? Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
42:55
So this document is produced in two thousand and four,
42:58
two thousand and five, So no, McCauley. But I'm sorry,
43:02
correct me if I'm misunderstanding your testimony. I thought you
43:05
said when you were working with Jeffrey, this was the
43:07
document that existed and it was something you utilized. McCauley.
43:12
I can't possibly tell you what numbers were added or
43:14
not added subsequent to my departure. McCauley, So you can't
43:18
recall if you added any of these numbers. Mister Pacliuk,
43:22
objection to the form and the Foundation mischaracterizes the witness's testimony. McCauley,
43:29
are there any numbers on here or names that you
43:32
recognize that you would have entered into this section? Maxwell,
43:36
I already testified that I'm not responsible for inputting numbers
43:39
and names into this so I would not be able
43:41
to tell you, McCauley, are there any names or numbers
43:45
under this section Massage Florida that would have provided to
43:49
an assistant to input into this document? Maxwell? I can't
43:54
possibly say, McCauley. Do you see under Massage Florida, about
43:58
halfway down the first column, do you see a number
44:00
that says redacted cell? Mister Pagliuka, what page, McCauley. It's
44:06
ninety one Bates number zero zero one sixty sixty three,
44:09
about halfway down it says in the first column it
44:12
says redacted cell. Do you see that, Maxwell, I do, McCauley.
44:17
Would you have provided after I know you didn't hire her,
44:20
Jeffrey hired her, But after you brought her to Jeffrey,
44:24
would you have given her the cell phone number to
44:26
an assistant to input into this document? Mister Pagliuka objection
44:31
to form and foundation. Maxwell. I didn't bring her to
44:34
Jeffrey the way you characterize it, and I would have
44:37
no knowledge of how this number ended up in this book. McCauley,
44:41
I believe you, and I will try to use your
44:43
words so we are clear you met redacted. Is that correct? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley,
44:49
would you have provided whomever was in charge of keeping
44:52
this updated redacted cell number so you would be able
44:55
to contact her if needed? Pagliuka objection to the Form
44:58
and the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't know. It could have
45:01
been a number of different ways. It could have been
45:04
Jeffrey who gave it to somebody. McCauley, you just don't
45:07
remember doing that, Maxwell, I do not. McCauley. Now, as
45:11
you look, I want you to take a look at
45:13
the Florida massage list. It's three columns there. Do you
45:17
as you look at those names on the various columns,
45:20
do you know the ages of any of those girls
45:22
in this list? Maxwell? I don't know one. I don't
45:25
know who all these people are on this list, and
45:28
I certainly don't know the ages. McCauley, do you know
45:31
what their qualifications are? Maxwell? I don't know who the
45:35
people are in general, so of course I don't know
45:37
what their qualifications are. McCauley, do you know why Jeffrey
45:41
Epstein has so many messuses listed in Florida in his book? Here,
45:45
mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and Foundation. Maxwell, Again,
45:51
this book was created post my departure, so I couldn't
45:54
explain why all these people were here. That's a lie.
45:58
That is an absolute, one hundred percent provable lie. So
46:02
everything Maxwell says, everything Maxwell does, well, we can characterize
46:07
it as a lie. McCauley. When you were there, you
46:11
said this book existed. Maxwell. Yes, McCauley, So when you
46:15
were there, were there a number of messuses listed under
46:18
Florida Massage? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the
46:22
foundation and mischaracterization of the witnesses testimony. McCauley, I'm asking
46:27
you a question. When you were there, were there a
46:30
number of messuses listed under the Florida Massage section? Maxwell?
46:35
When I was there, I would have of course there
46:38
would have been some messuses listed, but I cannot tell
46:41
you who or how many, And this I could possibly
46:44
not because I wouldn't remember. McCauley, do you know why
46:48
Jeffrey would have so many names listed under his massage
46:51
in Florida? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
46:58
I can't testify to why jeff we had so many
47:01
McCauley didn't use a different messuse every day mister Pakliuka
47:05
objection to the form and the Foundation. McCauley, you can
47:09
answer Maxwell. When I was there, he had a massage
47:12
roughly every day, one massuse, and mostly he would have
47:16
them at random times. So it would be difficult if
47:18
you just only had one person man or woman for
47:21
an adult massage to come over and be available for
47:24
whatever time it was. They keep saying man, and we
47:27
literally have no evidence of a male massuse ever showing
47:31
up to Epstein's house ever, So stop with the mailshit, McCauley.
47:37
So would it typically be a different person each day
47:40
that would give him a massage, mister Pakliuka objection to
47:43
the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, it would be when
47:48
I was there, based on availability, McCauley. Would it surprise
47:51
you to learn that the federal government found that some
47:54
of the girls on this list under Massage Florida were
47:57
under the age of eighteen Pagliuka objection into the form
48:00
and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't testify to that or
48:04
to what the government found or did not find, because
48:07
I would have no knowledge of it. McCauley, I'm asking
48:11
if you would be surprised by that, mister Pakliuka, Form
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and Foundation, Maxwell, I have no knowledge of it. I
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can't speculate, McCauley. On the second column, towards the bottom,
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there is the name. It's one up from the bottom
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there is the name redacted. Do you know redacted? Maxwell?
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I do, McCauley. Who is she Maxwell, She's a friend
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of Epstein's. McCauley. Is she a Massus? Maxwell? She I
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don't think she was a Massus. No, McCauley. Why would
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she be listed under Florida Massus's Maxwell an input error? McCauley,
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is this list any individual that would have sex with
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Jeffrey mister Pakliuka? Objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
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I wouldn't have any knowledge of that. All right, folks,
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we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next
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episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of
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